Pentax/Samsung
According to dpreview.com the intro of the DL 2 only in Asia and Canada may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung in others (namely Europe and the US). I'm screwy enough that I want my Pentax to say Pentax on it and not Samsung, even if it's carrying a lot of Samsung technology inside. If this turns out to be the case I'm assuming I will purchase through Canada, so I need a name of a good Canadian style BH or Adorama. Some of you good Candadian members help me out here, please. DG
Re: Pentax/Samsung
Aren't you jumping the gun a bit? Hasn't happened yet. This alleged badging scheme is only an assumption based on scant evidence. Paul -- Original message -- From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to dpreview.com the intro of the DL 2 only in Asia and Canada may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung in others (namely Europe and the US). I'm screwy enough that I want my Pentax to say Pentax on it and not Samsung, even if it's carrying a lot of Samsung technology inside. If this turns out to be the case I'm assuming I will purchase through Canada, so I need a name of a good Canadian style BH or Adorama. Some of you good Candadian members help me out here, please. DG
Re: Pentax/Samsung
and based on 2 current models. DS2 in US/Canada, Samsung DS2 in Europe. DL2 in US/Canada, Samsung DL2 in Europe. Personally, I don't see it as an issue either way. The name across the front of whatever camera I use could be Crapomatic for all i care. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't you jumping the gun a bit? Hasn't happened yet. This alleged badging scheme is only an assumption based on scant evidence. Paul -- Original message -- From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to dpreview.com the intro of the DL 2 only in Asia and Canada may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung in others (namely Europe and the US). I'm screwy enough that I want my Pentax to say Pentax on it and not Samsung, even if it's carrying a lot of Samsung technology inside. If this turns out to be the case I'm assuming I will purchase through Canada, so I need a name of a good Canadian style BH or Adorama. Some of you good Candadian members help me out here, please. DG
Re: Pentax/Samsung
Yes, and the editor also messed up the Samsung GX-1S with the GX-1L, hence the whole stuff seems rather written in a hurry. Don't trust it too much. Dario - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung Aren't you jumping the gun a bit? Hasn't happened yet. This alleged badging scheme is only an assumption based on scant evidence. Paul -- Original message -- From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to dpreview.com the intro of the DL 2 only in Asia and Canada may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung in others (namely Europe and the US). I'm screwy enough that I want my Pentax to say Pentax on it and not Samsung, even if it's carrying a lot of Samsung technology inside. If this turns out to be the case I'm assuming I will purchase through Canada, so I need a name of a good Canadian style BH or Adorama. Some of you good Candadian members help me out here, please. DG
Re: Pentax/Samsung
Christian wrote: and based on 2 current models. DS2 in US/Canada, Samsung DS2 in Europe. DL2 in US/Canada, Samsung DL2 in Europe. Personally, I don't see it as an issue either way. The name across the front of whatever camera I use could be Crapomatic for all i care. Oops Samsung GX-1S and GX-1L. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
Future Pentax/Samsung DSLR to support DNG?
All, I noticed that the Samsung Pro 815 camera outputs RAW images using the Adobe DNG format. What are the chances that future Pentax/Samsung DSLRs will do the same? --Mark
Re: Future Pentax/Samsung DSLR to support DNG?
Wow, this is something... So far only a couple high-end brands (Leica and Hasselblad) introduced DNG in their products or simply announced it... As far as I could understand from the DNG specs, there is no technical challenge in generating DNG from the camera... The camera mostly does as it did with proprietary RAW, but just tells how in the file, and the how is mostly fixed for a given camera. The most difficult step to make seems to DECIDE to do it, when some manufacturers are still encrypting their raw files (well... sort of ;-) ). If Samsung is willing to do this, there are chances that Pentax will do the same, if they are any consistent. Specially if Pentax DSLR is seen as amateur/pro segment, and Samsung prosumer. My 2c... Patrice 2006/1/31, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All, I noticed that the Samsung Pro 815 camera outputs RAW images using the Adobe DNG format. What are the chances that future Pentax/Samsung DSLRs will do the same? --Mark
Re: Future Pentax/Samsung DSLR to support DNG?
On Jan 30, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Mark Erickson wrote: I noticed that the Samsung Pro 815 camera outputs RAW images using the Adobe DNG format. What are the chances that future Pentax/ Samsung DSLRs will do the same? I'd say that it's a good chance many cameras from many manufacturers will go to DNG format for RAW over the next few years. Whether Pentax and Samsung do it for the DSLRs in the short term or not. Godfrey
Re: Future Pentax/Samsung DSLR to support DNG?
Correction. There are now three high-end brands using DNG. :-) John On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:13:01 -, Patrice LACOUTURE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is something... So far only a couple high-end brands (Leica and Hasselblad) introduced DNG in their products or simply announced it... As far as I could understand from the DNG specs, there is no technical challenge in generating DNG from the camera... The camera mostly does as it did with proprietary RAW, but just tells how in the file, and the how is mostly fixed for a given camera. The most difficult step to make seems to DECIDE to do it, when some manufacturers are still encrypting their raw files (well... sort of ;-) ). If Samsung is willing to do this, there are chances that Pentax will do the same, if they are any consistent. Specially if Pentax DSLR is seen as amateur/pro segment, and Samsung prosumer. My 2c... Patrice 2006/1/31, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All, I noticed that the Samsung Pro 815 camera outputs RAW images using the Adobe DNG format. What are the chances that future Pentax/Samsung DSLRs will do the same? --Mark -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
John Forbes wrote: Ach, that's nowt. My Quad 303 amp, purchased in Jamaica in 1976, still gives excellent service, though I did have the capacitors changed nine years ago. I'll change them again in 2016. I'm sorry I don't still have the electrostatic speakers. In a world where only the latest equipment *must* be the best, it's nice to see older equipment in use. Out of my radio equipment, I have a transceiver that is used almost daily which according to it's original sales receipt makes it 32 years old and a receiver that still works perfectly and is very sensitive that was built in the middle part of WW2. Real quality doesn't become obsolescent overnight. My MX and LX aren't exactly new either. Malcolm
RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
The most satisfying cameras I own are about 45~ 50 years old. No added bells and whistles. Real quality is built in, not added on. Bells and whistles are nice, but will we still hear a pleasant, harmonious tune in ten or twenty years? Shel [Original Message] From: Malcolm Smith In a world where only the latest equipment *must* be the best, it's nice to see older equipment in use. Out of my radio equipment, I have a transceiver that is used almost daily which according to it's original sales receipt makes it 32 years old and a receiver that still works perfectly and is very sensitive that was built in the middle part of WW2. Real quality doesn't become obsolescent overnight. My MX and LX aren't exactly new either.
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On 15/10/05, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: and a receiver that still works perfectly and is very sensitive that was built in the middle part of WW2. Cool! Can you still hear 'Listen With Mother' on it? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Cotty wrote: and a receiver that still works perfectly and is very sensitive that was built in the middle part of WW2. Cool! Can you still hear 'Listen With Mother' on it? LOL! It's put away in storage at the moment as with growing children, space is at a premium and it needs a study bench to rest it on, as it's about 100lbs in weight; but I tell you it's scary to think that the original owner heard the war time speeches broadcast on it. It's history you can physically touch! Malcolm
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On 15/10/05, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: it's scary to think that the original owner heard the war time speeches broadcast on it. It's history you can physically touch! Excellent. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
In the Pentax press release, they say about Samsung Techwin line of business: Development and manufacture of cameras, aircraft engines, gas turbines, turbo equipment, optical electronics devices, semiconductors and lead frames. Helicopter shuttle services and etc. So, what's a lead frame? Dario
Re: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
From: E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/14 Fri AM 02:31:06 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs mike wilson wrote: NEED it? I don't even WANT it! 8-) Mark, I hate to keep bugging you, but ... I wrote something interesting? I promise I won't make a habit of it. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:23:00 +0200, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the Pentax press release, they say about Samsung Techwin line of business: Development and manufacture of cameras, aircraft engines, gas turbines, turbo equipment, optical electronics devices, semiconductors and lead frames. Helicopter shuttle services and etc. So, what's a lead frame? Probably cheaper than a stainless steel frame ;-) Seriously: http://www.semiconfareast.com/leadframes.htm -- Regards, Lucas
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Plasma TV is just NICE to have. Could be substituted by a home cinema projector any day. Pentax photographic equipment, otoh, is NEED to have. Simple as that. Wish I had a canoe, though... Jostein (insert smileys as appropriate) Quoting Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You think we're rich? Country Club, yacht? I don't golf and the biggest boat I'll ever own is probably what I have now, a 17 ft canoe. Of course the answer to the earlier question... need? Of course not. I don't need 2/3 or more of what I have. I don't even NEED my first SLR, the MX. I could still have only the Kenwood component system I bought in 1981 (which I still use and is beautifully simple and elegant)... but that doesn't seem to be the way in western capitalist societies... BTW, both my cars were purchased used... Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:54:31 -0400 You don't think these guys are going to buy a $200 TV. Why they would be laughed out of their country club, and the yacht club would sink their boat (sorry, 200 meter yacht). graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes, what happened to CRTs? Do you need that expensive stuff? Kostas This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Yup, you're quite right. Sorry for doubting you. $300 million is a lot of money! John On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:11:04 +0100, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe my post said, US$300,000,000 which is US Dollars. But maybe I was reading too much between the lines. You can read the article on CNN yourself to decide. The article is here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/10/13/samsung.price.fixing.ap/index.html Enjoy! Dave John Forbes wrote: $300 million? In what jurisdiction? And do you mean dollars or Korean Won? John On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:57:09 +0100, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. On a separate note, Samsung was just convicted of price fixing of memory chips, and ordered to pay a US$300,000,000 (300 million) fine. They're the third major memory manufacurer to either plead guilty or be handed a conviction. Micron was also involved apparently, but won't face charges since they've cooperated with authorities (maybe they were the whistle blowers). I remember a few years back hearing accusations by Olympus and other Japanese camera manufacturers that the Korean companies like Samsung were dumping digital cameras on the market below cost to try to grab market share. I'm not sure how much truth there was to that accusation, but it could be one more black mark on Samsung. This post doesn't have any particular point other than to call out a few interesting tidbits regarding Pentax's new partner. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Lucas Rijnders wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:23:00 +0200, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the Pentax press release, they say about Samsung Techwin line of business: Development and manufacture of cameras, aircraft engines, gas turbines, turbo equipment, optical electronics devices, semiconductors and lead frames. Helicopter shuttle services and etc. So, what's a lead frame? Probably cheaper than a stainless steel frame ;-) I was also thinking of a possible *istDSam with a lead frame ;-) Seriously: http://www.semiconfareast.com/leadframes.htm Thanks Lucas, Dario
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Ach, that's nowt. My Quad 303 amp, purchased in Jamaica in 1976, still gives excellent service, though I did have the capacitors changed nine years ago. I'll change them again in 2016. I'm sorry I don't still have the electrostatic speakers. John On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:39:27 +0100, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs I could still have only the Kenwood component system I bought in 1981 (which I still use and is beautifully simple and elegant)... I am still using, and enjoying, a JVC AX-5 amp and Celestion Ditton 332 speakers on a daily basis. I purchased that equipment new in June of 1981. William Robb -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Anthony Farr wrote: -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (prior message snipped) CRTs are too costly to ship and produce and new technologies always demand a premium especially when there are marketable benefits and cool technology labels. It's becoming very difficult to buy any kind of CRT TV/monitor in Australia. Rob Studdert Besides which, CRT TVs are exceedingly difficult to keep in alignment as size increases. Last year we needed a new TV so bought a Panasonic 76cm, 16:9 ratio CRT. It was unmitigated crap. This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. On reflectin, it seems to me the problem might be coming from having the CRT adhere to the display ratio... If the screen dieplay was square, I'll bet all squiggless would go away. But, that might be just my illusion. The colours were diverged and the amplitude of the raster (ie the picture width) fluctuated noticeably as the picture's brightness changed, suggesting to me that the internal power supply was barely adequate to support the picture, and had no excess capacity to keep the picture size stable as the content changed. Sets this size are already in a weight class that makes it very difficult for the owner to haul around, move, and so on. 105 lb. plus. So, if they can pare weight off the total package, I suspect they do it. Where better than a heavy power supply transformer? That's one place you can't miniaturize things much, or as you've seen, performance becomes iffy. Like plenty of RAM in your computer, and a big memory card in your digital, things just run more smoothly when you over-spec the power supply... We learned that back in the old vacuum tube days. Talk about heavy amplifiers! But, the best performing ones turned out to be the heaviest ones! Panasonic wiped their hands of our problem by claiming that our set was within tolerance although they never did state what those tolerances were. So, we returned to the vendor, gave our story, and got a FULL refund. A good illustration for buying from a local vendor, if you possibly can. They will take good care of the customer service end of things. You can't do that long distance. Then we chose a Telefunken set with the same specs as the Panasonic, which was $500 cheaper than the Panasonic yet has a perfect picture with none of the Panasonic's defects. My brother-in-law later got a Philips 76cm 16:9 set, considerably costlier than our Telefunken, but it displays picture amplitude fluctuations similar to the Panasonic. I'd find it unacceptable but it's not my TV to bitch about. Which brings me back to my point that big CRTs are problematic in the area of picture stability, and you have to beware of this if you're buying one. These are problems that LCD and plasma screens would not experience. Yes, you're right there. The fact that most LCDs of that size are only about 4-5 deep, and weigh about 35-40 lb is another big selling factor. regards, Anthony Farr All good talking points, Anthony, and I thank you for it! keith whaley
Re: Televisions (Was BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs)
For me a television is mainly a way to view films at home. The only programming I watch on anywhere near a regular basis is sporting events. But home theater has long been a pleasant way to bring at least some of my large family together. And since we generally avoid commercial theaters, the cost is amortized over the years. So the television is important . I've had a 60-inch Mitsubishi rear projection unit for about a dozen years. It served very well and produced a good picture even in daylight. But it's become somewhat shaky in old age with an unstable picture and vertical rotation on warmup. So I'm going to replace it with a 50-inch HD plasma. The plasma picture seems far superior to LCD in the large sizes, and it's much better than the projection boxes. I invested quite a bit in surround sound about five years ago, so I need to maintain the picture end of the equation as well. Since this is a fairly important lifestyle thing, I don't mind spending the extra money. It will be used extensively for another dozen years -- I hope. Costco has been selling the Pioneer 50 for about $4000 US. When they have it in stock again, I think I'll bite. I haven't seen anything better in that size. Paul On Oct 14, 2005, at 12:51 AM, David Mann wrote: On Oct 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: CRTs are too costly to ship and produce and new technologies always demand a premium especially when there are marketable benefits and cool technology labels. It's becoming very difficult to buy any kind of CRT TV/monitor in Australia. It's not very difficult here, but I've noticed that CRTs are suddenly in the minority in the shops. It's basically the same as what happened with computers... nowadays the perception is that you only buy CRT if you're budget-conscious. The quality of programming in this country makes it difficult to justify owning a TV at all. I don't consider that to be a bad thing because it means I can use the time more constructively. - Dave (will there be another season of The Robinsons?)
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Dario Bonazza wrote:
In the Pentax press release, they say about Samsung Techwin line of
business:
Development and manufacture of cameras, aircraft engines, gas turbines,
turbo equipment, optical electronics devices, semiconductors and lead
frames. Helicopter shuttle services and etc.
So, what's a lead frame?
Dario
A REALLY heavy frame? {shruggg}
keith
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On 14 Oct 2005 at 3:40, keith_w wrote: This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. On reflectin, it seems to me the problem might be coming from having the CRT adhere to the display ratio... If the screen dieplay was square, I'll bet all squiggless would go away. But, that might be just my illusion. Issues relating to screen width modulation due to changes in video intensity are generally PSU related as Anthony said. Aspect ratio isn't generally problem as these days the beam focus, defection and astigmatism is dynamically controlled across every sweep. The deflection angle which is a function of the tube depth vs screen width poses far more of a technical nightmare for designers than aspect ratio and shallower tubes are being produced every year to increase box aesthetics and to allow more finished units to be packed into a container. Sets this size are already in a weight class that makes it very difficult for the owner to haul around, move, and so on. 105 lb. plus. So, if they can pare weight off the total package, I suspect they do it. Where better than a heavy power supply transformer? That's one place you can't miniaturize things much, or as you've seen, performance becomes iffy. The weight of a modern TV is primarily in the tube. As the tube size increases the glass has to be made thicker to eliminate the chance of implosion. There are no mains frequency power transformers in most modern TVs, they use very light and compact high frequency switch mode PSUs. These don't need to be weighty to have good performance but a high performance supply has a comparably high cost so that's a place that quality is often compromised. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. All it takes is a junked ME, a screwdriver and some duct tape... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ach, that's nowt. My Quad 303 amp, purchased in Jamaica in 1976, still gives excellent service, though I did have the capacitors changed nine years ago. I'll change them again in 2016. Great little amp, that. I used to have one. I'm sorry I don't still have the electrostatic speakers. I'll bet you are! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
E.R.N. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike wilson wrote: NEED it? I don't even WANT it! 8-) Mark, I hate to keep bugging you, but ... LOL! You're right about this one, though! (And several others you've pointed out in the past. Thanks.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Last year we needed a new TV so bought a Panasonic 76cm, 16:9 ratio CRT. It was unmitigated crap. This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. Very useful range indeed, only I prefer 4:3. A good illustration for buying from a local vendor, if you possibly can. They will take good care of the customer service end of things. You can't do that long distance. We don't have local vendors very much in the UK. We have local shops of national chains. Customer service? But at least you can see before you buy. No, if I see and like, I won't buy from an online retailer to save some money. Which brings me back to my point that big CRTs are problematic in the area of picture stability, and you have to beware of this if you're buying one. These are problems that LCD and plasma screens would not experience. Yes, you're right there. The fact that most LCDs of that size are only about 4-5 deep, and weigh about 35-40 lb is another big selling factor. How do they do for contrast and longevity though? And how about price? Kostas
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: light and compact high frequency switch mode PSUs. These don't need to be weighty to have good performance but a high performance supply has a comparably high cost so that's a place that quality is often compromised. Can one upgrade those (or if as useless as me, have them replaced)? Kostas p.s.: I have an idea about the useless theme! ;-)
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:23:00 +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote: So, what's a lead frame? IIRC it's the frame and wires that connect a silicon integrated circuit chip to the pins on the packaging that connect it to the outside world. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
On 14 Oct 2005 at 7:47, Mark Roberts wrote: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. All it takes is a junked ME, a screwdriver and some duct tape... Don't tell Samsung :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/14 Fri PM 12:41:29 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Last year we needed a new TV so bought a Panasonic 76cm, 16:9 ratio CRT. It was unmitigated crap. This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. Very useful range indeed, only I prefer 4:3. A good illustration for buying from a local vendor, if you possibly can. They will take good care of the customer service end of things. You can't do that long distance. We don't have local vendors very much in the UK. We have local shops of national chains. Customer service? But at least you can see before you buy. No, if I see and like, I won't buy from an online retailer to save some money. Which brings me back to my point that big CRTs are problematic in the area of picture stability, and you have to beware of this if you're buying one. These are problems that LCD and plasma screens would not experience. Yes, you're right there. The fact that most LCDs of that size are only about 4-5 deep, and weigh about 35-40 lb is another big selling factor. How do they do for contrast and longevity though? And how about price? The question to ask is What about smearing? Sometimes, watching one is like using a PC with mouse trails turned on and up. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On 13/10/05, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't even NEED my first SLR, the MX. Thomas Cakal you wash your mouth out with soap!!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On 13/10/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: I am still using, and enjoying, a JVC AX-5 amp and Celestion Ditton 332 speakers on a daily basis. I purchased that equipment new in June of 1981. Yo! Celestion Ditton 130s here. 1982. Nice one! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Tom, You have a one track mind. Derek If it was Pentax and we got a FF IS body I might be interested. Tom C. From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:02:33 -0400 just to make life more interesting, in a recent press conference, the president of Konica Minolta said that in order to have a viable digital camera division, KM's digital imaging division might have to merge with a current competitor. when pressed, he refused to say whether or not KM had been talking to anyone. posturing or real? it would be interesting to know who he had in mind. Herb - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? Their first joint effort will be a camera, based on a current Pentax model, that incorporates some Samsung technology and which will be launched next spring. A jointly developed camera would not come until next autumn, Pentax said.
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Not likely with modern equipment. It's almost formed as a piece. Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Rob Studdert wrote: light and compact high frequency switch mode PSUs. These don't need to be weighty to have good performance but a high performance supply has a comparably high cost so that's a place that quality is often compromised. Can one upgrade those (or if as useless as me, have them replaced)? Kostas p.s.: I have an idea about the useless theme! ;-) -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Rob Studdert wrote: On 14 Oct 2005 at 3:40, keith_w wrote: This is pertinent, as I'm looking at that very range myself. On reflectin, it seems to me the problem might be coming from having the CRT adhere to the display ratio... If the screen dieplay was square, I'll bet all squiggles would go away. But, that might be just my illusion. Issues relating to screen width modulation due to changes in video intensity are generally PSU related as Anthony said. Aspect ratio isn't generally problem as these days the beam focus, defection and astigmatism is dynamically controlled across every sweep. Dynamically controlled! Now that is going to require another snippet of self-education. I'll put it to Google, see what I get. The deflection angle which is a function of the tube depth vs screen width poses far more of a technical nightmare for designers than aspect ratio and shallower tubes are being produced every year to increase box aesthetics and to allow more finished units to be packed into a container. Sets this size are already in a weight class that makes it very difficult for the owner to haul around, move, and so on. 105 lb. plus. So, if they can pare weight off the total package, I suspect they do it. Where better than a heavy power supply transformer? That's one place you can't miniaturize things much, or as you've seen, performance becomes iffy. The weight of a modern TV is primarily in the tube. As the tube size increases the glass has to be made thicker to eliminate the chance of implosion. Yeah. Count the number of square inches of tube surface, multiply times 14.7 psi, and that's how much total force is trying to collapse the tube, which already has a small head start with the vacuum they draw on the inside... There are no mains frequency power transformers in most modern TVs, they use very light and compact high frequency switch mode PSUs. These don't need to be weighty to have good performance but a high performance supply has a comparably high cost so that's a place that quality is often compromised. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Excellent info, Rob! My knowledge is 20 years out of date! What the hey, so am *I*...at least! Seriously, tho', thanks for dispelling some of my erroneous beliefs. keith whaley
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P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not likely with modern equipment. It's almost formed as a piece. These days the entire TV set is almost formed as a piece ;-) Seriously, when I was an A/V tech I remember getting a modern Korean/Japanese/whatever set to repair (it's usually the older sets that need service - and people would often pay more than the purchase price of e new one to do so). The set consisted of a picture tube, an RF module and one main circuit board. The circuit board had the flyback transformer, one transistor for horizontal output, one IC for vertical output and one *single* IC for EVERYTHING ELSE! This was over 10 years ago, so I imagine things have progressed even further in the area of reducing manufacturing costs. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
A note about Micron... I was reading in WSJ today regarding the Samsung and conspirators price fixing. It looks like the big 4 chip makers were all guilty. Micron was mentioned as a maker of sensors for digicams. Apparently their specialty right now is a sensor in a pill capsule that can be swallowed. It takes pictures as it move throughout the digestive tract. I can see Pentax incorporating this into a new DSLR... somehow... Pentax-Samdung Tom C.
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? Micron was mentioned as a maker of sensors for digicams. Apparently their specialty right now is a sensor in a pill capsule that can be swallowed. It takes pictures as it move throughout the digestive tract. I can see Pentax incorporating this into a new DSLR... somehow... Think of the possibilities for endoscopes. You can now start at one endo and go right through to the other. WW
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? Micron was mentioned as a maker of sensors for digicams. Apparently their specialty right now is a sensor in a pill capsule that can be swallowed. It takes pictures as it move throughout the digestive tract. I can see Pentax incorporating this into a new DSLR... somehow... Think of the possibilities for endoscopes. You can now start at one endo and go right through to the other. It could be called the Endoverendoscope.. WW
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Which brings up the question, are the pills reusable? William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? Micron was mentioned as a maker of sensors for digicams. Apparently their specialty right now is a sensor in a pill capsule that can be swallowed. It takes pictures as it move throughout the digestive tract. I can see Pentax incorporating this into a new DSLR... somehow... Think of the possibilities for endoscopes. You can now start at one endo and go right through to the other. It could be called the Endoverendoscope.. WW -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? Which brings up the question, are the pills reusable? Send em to the Third World. WW
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Hah! -- It could be called the Endoverendoscope.. WW
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They just don't taste the same. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which brings up the question, are the pills reusable? William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? Micron was mentioned as a maker of sensors for digicams. Apparently their specialty right now is a sensor in a pill capsule that can be swallowed. It takes pictures as it move throughout the digestive tract. I can see Pentax incorporating this into a new DSLR... somehow... Think of the possibilities for endoscopes. You can now start at one endo and go right through to the other. It could be called the Endoverendoscope.. WW -- When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? They just don't taste the same. All together now Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. In a most delightful way.
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Very Funny, Mr. Poppins. They just don't taste the same. All together now Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. In a most delightful way.
Re: Marketing question--What to call the Pentax-Samsung camera line?
LOL 2005/10/13, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: imagine all the new markets for endoscopes. Herb - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Marketing question--What to call the Pentax-Samsung camera line? perhaps reading this company description might help. the agreement was between Pentax and Samsung Techwin Ltd, formerly known as Samsung Aerospace. Samsung Techwin Co., Ltd. manufactures optical and digital imaging products and semiconductor equipment including leadframes, chip mounters, and wire bonders. The Company also produces a line of aircraft and industrial engines, howitzers, cannons, armored combat engineering vehicles, and combat multi purposed excavators. -- Thanks, Herb. So the Semtex name suggestion wasn't far off. Pentax -- for your adventurous moments. Pentax -- official camera of counterinsurgencies everywhere. Joe -- -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
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fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/12/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Canon-envy on this list is truly of Freudian proportions. the freud-envy is of canonesque proportions? seriously, it doesn't matter to some on this list what pentax announces/does. it will not be merely wrong, it will be disastrous! whatta laff. If they did announce a digital, fullframe LX they'd complain about the colour. DagT
RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Hi there, From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Really, their track record to date is pretty good. I'd agree they're pretty good from what I've seen. More to the point, would Pentax, a company which, for all we like to lament about it, puts a product on the table which takes a pretty damned good picture, make a camera that took a bad quality picture? If they would. Nothing wrong with making cameras that take bad quality pictures. for all we like to lament about it I skip those days. Gautam -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:27 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs - Original Message - From: Gautam Sarup Subject: RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs The question IMO is can Sansung/Pentax sell enough cameras with cheap, noisy sensors to develop and sustain a line with non-noisy sensors. More to the point, would Pentax, a company which, for all we like to lament about it, puts a product on the table which takes a pretty damned good picture, make a camera that took a bad quality picture? Really, their track record to date is pretty good. William Robb
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I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? If you walk into any high end AV section of an electronics store, you'll be surprised by how well Samsung's (super) large LCD, HDTV, etc, offerings stack up against the best Sony's, etc. out there. I was certainly surprised. - Shopping for a new TV I do admit that Samsung is top of my short list right now... Tom C.
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
graywolf wrote: The sensor in the DCS-14 cameras were not made by Kodak, they outsourced them. Surely that was one of the reasons why they discontinued those cameras? They were Nikons/Canons with a sensor produced by a forget who, but someone other than Kodak. Seems to me that continuing with such products (or actually, to introduce them in the first place) would make little or no sense for a sensor and (sometimes) camera producer like Kodak... It's a bit like if they had produced disposable cameras with a box and lens from Nikon, and stuck a Fuji film in them, if you know what I'm saying... - T
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He's a Canadian, he has a chain saw GRIN I guess that means he's a lumber jack - He'OK BIGGER GRIN Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs He's a Canadian, he has a chain saw GRIN. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- P. J. Alling wrote: He won't bother prying he has a circular saw... Kenneth Waller wrote: Can I have your 600? WW Sure, right after you pry it away from my cold rigid fingers ;^) Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 12, 2005 1:53 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Amen bro, I think I'll sell my pentax stuff Can I have your 600? WW PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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- Original Message - From: Gautam Sarup Subject: RE: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs If they would. Nothing wrong with making cameras that take bad quality pictures. You forgot the smiley William Robb
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Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: graywolf wrote: The sensor in the DCS-14 cameras were not made by Kodak, they outsourced them. Surely that was one of the reasons why they discontinued those cameras? The sensor for the DCS-14 cameras was made by Fill Factory... which is owned by Kodak. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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The DCS-14n was built out of Nikon body parts , the DCS-14c seemed to be built out of Sigma body parts with a EOS lens mount, the Camera electronics and functions followed the manufacture of the body parts style. The Sensor and support electronics were farmed out to someone else entirely. Toralf Lund wrote: graywolf wrote: The sensor in the DCS-14 cameras were not made by Kodak, they outsourced them. Surely that was one of the reasons why they discontinued those cameras? They were Nikons/Canons with a sensor produced by a forget who, but someone other than Kodak. Seems to me that continuing with such products (or actually, to introduce them in the first place) would make little or no sense for a sensor and (sometimes) camera producer like Kodak... It's a bit like if they had produced disposable cameras with a box and lens from Nikon, and stuck a Fuji film in them, if you know what I'm saying... - T -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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On Thursday, October 13, 2005, at 10:35 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: The DCS-14n was built out of Nikon body parts , the DCS-14c seemed to be built out of Sigma body parts with a EOS lens mount, the Camera electronics and functions followed the manufacture of the body parts style. The Sensor and support electronics were farmed out to someone else entirely. Correct. The Sigma SLR cameras were originally going to have Canon EOS mount, but before production Canon had second thoughts about the licensing and pulled out. So Sigma created their own bayonet, but the electronic contacts and protocols follow Canon specs. It was very easy for Kodak to swap the Sigma mount for a Canon mount without changing much else. The sensor came from fillfactory in Belgium. www.fillfactory.com While many reported problems with high noise levels, I didn't have that complaint when I shot with the DCS-14n for a couple of months. I did find skin tones somewhat pasty and unnatural, but I heard that a later firmware upgrade fixed that. Bob
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On Thursday, October 13, 2005, at 09:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: The sensor for the DCS-14 cameras was made by Fill Factory... which is owned by Kodak. Where did you hear that FillFactory is owned by Kodak? There is corporate information on their web site, but it makes no mention of Kodak other than as a buyer of their sensor chips. Bob
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Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, October 13, 2005, at 09:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: The sensor for the DCS-14 cameras was made by Fill Factory... which is owned by Kodak. Where did you hear that FillFactory is owned by Kodak? Friends in the digital sensor division at Kodak. I think Kodak is just part owner, actually but I think it's majority share. They apparently want to keep their relationship on the QT. I'm going up to Rochester this weekend and I'll see what else I can find out. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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I'm look at a 40-42 inch plasma or LCD for the bedroom . Aside from having an extremely nice picture, the Samsung models I'm looking at have their speakers mounted beneath the screen, using up no additional room on the horizontal axis. Since this is going into a TV cabinet, I can get a set with a screen 3 - 5 inches larger than otherwise. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? If you walk into any high end AV section of an electronics store, you'll be surprised by how well Samsung's (super) large LCD, HDTV, etc, offerings stack up against the best Sony's, etc. out there. I was certainly surprised. - Shopping for a new TV I do admit that Samsung is top of my short list right now... Tom C.
Pentax/Samsung
I suspect Pentax, at least through the L series, will be Rebel's D competition. Pentax only in a few cases. Seems all major dept. stores, with an electronics dept, shows at least one version of the Rebel cabled to the counter. I wish I didn't carry the long standing impression of Samsung as a supplier of cheap products. My sense is they're saying,..go ahead and take a chance, after all, you're not investing much. Can't shake it. Have to say, this tech merge doesn't surprise me in the least. Logical market oriented price fit. Who is building the current Pentax sensor? Jack __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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*ist-D (ands DS, DS2, DL) have Sony sensor. 2005/10/13, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suspect Pentax, at least through the L series, will be Rebel's D competition. Pentax only in a few cases. Seems all major dept. stores, with an electronics dept, shows at least one version of the Rebel cabled to the counter. I wish I didn't carry the long standing impression of Samsung as a supplier of cheap products. My sense is they're saying,..go ahead and take a chance, after all, you're not investing much. Can't shake it. Have to say, this tech merge doesn't surprise me in the least. Logical market oriented price fit. Who is building the current Pentax sensor? Jack __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
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Tom C wrote: I'm look at a 40-42 inch plasma or LCD for the bedroom . Aside from having an extremely nice picture, the Samsung models I'm looking at have their speakers mounted beneath the screen, using up no additional room on the horizontal axis. Since this is going into a TV cabinet, I can get a set with a screen 3 - 5 inches larger than otherwise. Tom C. Jiminy Christmas! I looked at a beautiful Sharp DLP 32 unit for [WHAT?] US$4500 [!!] then downgraded my desires to a 26 LCD Samsung with good specs, and even *that* picayune unit goes for $1259! Now, that's a whole lot better, but these prices are way hurtin'! I'd like to have a 30-32 unit, but that's a shade this side of $2000. Plasmas don't even _start_ until you get past 32 or 36 wide. Prices like almost 1/3 the price of a decent car, so that's forget it time! Dang! Unless the street prices are a whole lot less than that, we'll wait some more or until the current Sony takes the final plunge! What I'm saying is, I want to pay cash, not put it on a time payment basis. I'm totally OUT of debt, first time in my life, and want to stay that way! Bottom line? I guess I should have paid closer attention to TV prices during those 13 years while my good ol' Sony was hanging in there. keith == still shell shocked! From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? If you walk into any high end AV section of an electronics store, you'll be surprised by how well Samsung's (super) large LCD, HDTV, etc, offerings stack up against the best Sony's, etc. out there. I was certainly surprised. - Shopping for a new TV I do admit that Samsung is top of my short list right now... Tom C.
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Well you know I could be throwig all this money at Pentax, but guess what? They won't come out with a camera I wish to purchase... :) Tom C. From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:26:31 -0700 Tom C wrote: I'm look at a 40-42 inch plasma or LCD for the bedroom . Aside from having an extremely nice picture, the Samsung models I'm looking at have their speakers mounted beneath the screen, using up no additional room on the horizontal axis. Since this is going into a TV cabinet, I can get a set with a screen 3 - 5 inches larger than otherwise. Tom C. Jiminy Christmas! I looked at a beautiful Sharp DLP 32 unit for [WHAT?] US$4500 [!!] then downgraded my desires to a 26 LCD Samsung with good specs, and even *that* picayune unit goes for $1259! Now, that's a whole lot better, but these prices are way hurtin'! I'd like to have a 30-32 unit, but that's a shade this side of $2000. Plasmas don't even _start_ until you get past 32 or 36 wide. Prices like almost 1/3 the price of a decent car, so that's forget it time! Dang! Unless the street prices are a whole lot less than that, we'll wait some more or until the current Sony takes the final plunge! What I'm saying is, I want to pay cash, not put it on a time payment basis. I'm totally OUT of debt, first time in my life, and want to stay that way! Bottom line? I guess I should have paid closer attention to TV prices during those 13 years while my good ol' Sony was hanging in there. keith == still shell shocked! From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? If you walk into any high end AV section of an electronics store, you'll be surprised by how well Samsung's (super) large LCD, HDTV, etc, offerings stack up against the best Sony's, etc. out there. I was certainly surprised. - Shopping for a new TV I do admit that Samsung is top of my short list right now... Tom C.
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Kodak used to be the overall holding company for things photographic, I believe at one time they owned a piece of every publicly traded company that manufactured something related to the photo industry. Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, October 13, 2005, at 09:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: The sensor for the DCS-14 cameras was made by Fill Factory... which is owned by Kodak. Where did you hear that FillFactory is owned by Kodak? Friends in the digital sensor division at Kodak. I think Kodak is just part owner, actually but I think it's majority share. They apparently want to keep their relationship on the QT. I'm going up to Rochester this weekend and I'll see what else I can find out. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Pentax/Samsung
Sony. Jack Davis wrote: I suspect Pentax, at least through the L series, will be Rebel's D competition. Pentax only in a few cases. Seems all major dept. stores, with an electronics dept, shows at least one version of the Rebel cabled to the counter. I wish I didn't carry the long standing impression of Samsung as a supplier of cheap products. My sense is they're saying,..go ahead and take a chance, after all, you're not investing much. Can't shake it. Have to say, this tech merge doesn't surprise me in the least. Logical market oriented price fit. Who is building the current Pentax sensor? Jack __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Plasmas are a bad deal, if you watch anything with a crawl, CNBC CNN FOX News, etc. you'll have the crawl imprinted on everything after a very short time. The screens themselves loose brightness at a rapid rate, something like a year of use causes the screen to lose 1/2 it's brightness IIRC. keith_w wrote: Tom C wrote: I'm look at a 40-42 inch plasma or LCD for the bedroom . Aside from having an extremely nice picture, the Samsung models I'm looking at have their speakers mounted beneath the screen, using up no additional room on the horizontal axis. Since this is going into a TV cabinet, I can get a set with a screen 3 - 5 inches larger than otherwise. Tom C. Jiminy Christmas! I looked at a beautiful Sharp DLP 32 unit for [WHAT?] US$4500 [!!] then downgraded my desires to a 26 LCD Samsung with good specs, and even *that* picayune unit goes for $1259! Now, that's a whole lot better, but these prices are way hurtin'! I'd like to have a 30-32 unit, but that's a shade this side of $2000. Plasmas don't even _start_ until you get past 32 or 36 wide. Prices like almost 1/3 the price of a decent car, so that's forget it time! Dang! Unless the street prices are a whole lot less than that, we'll wait some more or until the current Sony takes the final plunge! What I'm saying is, I want to pay cash, not put it on a time payment basis. I'm totally OUT of debt, first time in my life, and want to stay that way! Bottom line? I guess I should have paid closer attention to TV prices during those 13 years while my good ol' Sony was hanging in there. keith == still shell shocked! From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? If you walk into any high end AV section of an electronics store, you'll be surprised by how well Samsung's (super) large LCD, HDTV, etc, offerings stack up against the best Sony's, etc. out there. I was certainly surprised. - Shopping for a new TV I do admit that Samsung is top of my short list right now... Tom C. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
keith_w wrote: Tom C wrote: I'm look at a 40-42 inch plasma or LCD for the bedroom . Aside from having an extremely nice picture, the Samsung models I'm looking at have their speakers mounted beneath the screen, using up no additional room on the horizontal axis. Since this is going into a TV cabinet, I can get a set with a screen 3 - 5 inches larger than otherwise. Tom C. Jiminy Christmas! I looked at a beautiful Sharp DLP 32 unit for [WHAT?] US$4500 [!!] then downgraded my desires to a 26 LCD Samsung with good specs, and even *that* picayune unit goes for $1259! Now, that's a whole lot better, but these prices are way hurtin'! I'd like to have a 30-32 unit, but that's a shade this side of $2000. Plasmas don't even _start_ until you get past 32 or 36 wide. Prices like almost 1/3 the price of a decent car, so that's forget it time! Dang! Unless the street prices are a whole lot less than that, we'll wait some more or until the current Sony takes the final plunge! What I'm saying is, I want to pay cash, not put it on a time payment basis. I'm totally OUT of debt, first time in my life, and want to stay that way! Bottom line? I guess I should have paid closer attention to TV prices during those 13 years while my good ol' Sony was hanging in there. The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. It's about the size of your genitals. TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. keith == still shell shocked! From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? If you walk into any high end AV section of an electronics store, you'll be surprised by how well Samsung's (super) large LCD, HDTV, etc, offerings stack up against the best Sony's, etc. out there. I was certainly surprised. - Shopping for a new TV I do admit that Samsung is top of my short list right now... Tom C.
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Mike Wilson wrote: The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. It's about the size of your genitals. TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. --- Uh... OK, I'll let my wife know. Tom C. (watches very litle mainstream TV) (wants to watch What's My Line in BIG BEAUTIFUL BW)
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mike wilson wrote: [...] The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. What isn't? It's about the size of your genitals. Huh? TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. Maybe the TV you watch... We never watch commercial TV programming anymore. A few select programs, news analyses, specials, etc. There IS quality stuff onboard, but you need to search it out. It won't be on channels 2 thru 13, and very few on 14-99. DirecTV® has some decent programmng, but at times even IT is hardly worth the monthly charges. I also watch [mostly old] movies, some pre-taped and some live. But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Obviously, you're not a person to discuss television programming, nor the cost of TV receivers with...you're way, way too rigid and biased. keith
Pentax/Samsung: update?
I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. Dario
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes, what happened to CRTs? Do you need that expensive stuff? Kostas
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 13 Oct 2005 at 22:41, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes, what happened to CRTs? Do you need that expensive stuff? CRTs are too costly to ship and produce and new technologies always demand a premium especially when there are marketable benefits and cool technology labels. It's becoming very difficult to buy any kind of CRT TV/monitor in Australia. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Rob Studdert wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. On a separate note, Samsung was just convicted of price fixing of memory chips, and ordered to pay a US$300,000,000 (300 million) fine. They're the third major memory manufacurer to either plead guilty or be handed a conviction. Micron was also involved apparently, but won't face charges since they've cooperated with authorities (maybe they were the whistle blowers). I remember a few years back hearing accusations by Olympus and other Japanese camera manufacturers that the Korean companies like Samsung were dumping digital cameras on the market below cost to try to grab market share. I'm not sure how much truth there was to that accusation, but it could be one more black mark on Samsung. This post doesn't have any particular point other than to call out a few interesting tidbits regarding Pentax's new partner.
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I was looking at 40 LCD and a 42 Plasma for around $2850 $3150 respectively. Not that I think those prices are good. I haven't begun to compare online prices from non-major retailers yet. Yeah, it's expensive (my wife will never know what it costs, or I will never be getting one). Overall I like the look of the LCD sets a little better and the burn in that can occur with plasma is worrying. Where do you live? Tom C. From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:26:31 -0700 Tom C wrote: I'm look at a 40-42 inch plasma or LCD for the bedroom . Aside from having an extremely nice picture, the Samsung models I'm looking at have their speakers mounted beneath the screen, using up no additional room on the horizontal axis. Since this is going into a TV cabinet, I can get a set with a screen 3 - 5 inches larger than otherwise. Tom C. Jiminy Christmas! I looked at a beautiful Sharp DLP 32 unit for [WHAT?] US$4500 [!!] then downgraded my desires to a 26 LCD Samsung with good specs, and even *that* picayune unit goes for $1259! Now, that's a whole lot better, but these prices are way hurtin'! I'd like to have a 30-32 unit, but that's a shade this side of $2000. Plasmas don't even _start_ until you get past 32 or 36 wide. Prices like almost 1/3 the price of a decent car, so that's forget it time! Dang! Unless the street prices are a whole lot less than that, we'll wait some more or until the current Sony takes the final plunge! What I'm saying is, I want to pay cash, not put it on a time payment basis. I'm totally OUT of debt, first time in my life, and want to stay that way! Bottom line? I guess I should have paid closer attention to TV prices during those 13 years while my good ol' Sony was hanging in there. keith == still shell shocked! From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:38:46 -0400 I've been impressed with the Samsung TVs as well. I'm looking for a 50-inch plasma. So far the very best seems to be Pioneer Elite. In terms of picture quality, Sony is a distant fourth behind Pioneer, Samsung and Phillips. On Oct 13, 2005, at 1:35 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? If you walk into any high end AV section of an electronics store, you'll be surprised by how well Samsung's (super) large LCD, HDTV, etc, offerings stack up against the best Sony's, etc. out there. I was certainly surprised. - Shopping for a new TV I do admit that Samsung is top of my short list right now... Tom C.
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More info: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1870458,00.asp
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
On 13/10/05, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. But this para: 'Although there will be co-operation and a strategic partnership around research and development, each company will continue to develop and market independent product portfolios. Pentax will continue to focus on, and be differentiated by, its technological mission; that of developing cameras defined by excellent optics, user-friendly functionality, small size and cutting edge design.' is very telling Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes, what happened to CRTs? Do you need that expensive stuff? Kostas smile Well... CRTs weigh well over 100 lb! Not that I move them every week, but come spring (and sometimes in between) my wife succombs to some need to thoroughly wash windows, and the TV *must* be moved. Furthermore, that weight up top creates a wobbly situation, unless you've got a pretty stout platform to put it on, and then that cabinet unit ends up weighing over 100 lbs. too, especially after you put the DVD/VHS player and the Satellite receiver on the shelves... CRTs stick out pretty far in the back, requiring you have the stand pretty far away from the wall, wasting what little space I have in this tiny house of mine... I suppose I COULD use a more modern piece of furniture to hold a CRT-type TV receiver, but, with the bigger sizes, it almost has to go on top, and I DO prefer the size and shape of those LCD machines over the behemoth CRT TVs... Answer is no, I do *not* need one of the more expensive LCDs or DLPs. And I'll most likely end up with the best compromise I can, which means yet another CRT TV. Sighhh. ;-) keith
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Their first joint effort will be a camera, based on a current Pentax model, that incorporates some Samsung technology and which will be launched next spring. A jointly developed camera would not come until next autumn, Pentax said. - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? More info: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1870458,00.asp
Re: BAD NEWS: Pentax +Samsung DSLRs
Rob Studdert wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 22:41, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes, what happened to CRTs? Do you need that expensive stuff? CRTs are too costly to ship and produce and new technologies always demand a premium especially when there are marketable benefits and cool technology labels. It's becoming very difficult to buy any kind of CRT TV/monitor in Australia. How interesting! Is that an availability problem, or one of price rises? I wasn't aware of that. Does Oz have it's own manufacturing facilities on the continent, someone like Philips or whomever? Probably not enough to reduce the prices sufficiently. Hmmm. Best, keith Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Pentax said it and Samsung Techwin Co. Ltd. would work together on developing entry-level and middle-range digital SLR models that sell for under 200,000 yen (1,750 USD). Each company plans to market the cameras under its own brand. - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? More info: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1870458,00.asp
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Tom C wrote: Mike Wilson wrote: The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. It's about the size of your genitals. TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. --- Uh... OK, I'll let my wife know. Tom C. (watches very litle mainstream TV) (wants to watch What's My Line in BIG BEAUTIFUL BW) Tell mine too, please. Never ceases to amaze me that people will watch stuff that would be booed off any provincial theatre stage and endure the most embarrassing humiliations to be onscreen.
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keith_w wrote: mike wilson wrote: [...] The real bottom line? This is not about TVs. What isn't? It's about the size of your genitals. Huh? TV is hardly worth the electricity, never mind the apparatus. Maybe the TV you watch... Or not. We never watch commercial TV programming anymore. A few select programs, news analyses, specials, etc. There IS quality stuff onboard, but you need to search it out. It won't be on channels 2 thru 13, and very few on 14-99. DirecTV® has some decent programmng, but at times even IT is hardly worth the monthly charges. I also watch [mostly old] movies, some pre-taped and some live. But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Obviously, you're not a person to discuss television programming, nor the cost of TV receivers with...you're way, way too rigid and biased. That must be why I like Pentax cameras, too. keith
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Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: But, all that 's beside the original point. This particular conversation isn't about watching TV, it's supposed to be about the horrid cost of television receivers today, regardless of the end use to which it's put. Yes, what happened to CRTs? Do you need that expensive stuff? Kostas NEED it? I don't even WANT it! 8-)
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Looks like a specific disclaimer by Pentax about being a Jr. partner in the enterprise. Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. Dario -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Pentax/Samsung: update?
Dario Bonazza wrote: Pentax said it and Samsung Techwin Co. Ltd. would work together on developing entry-level and middle-range digital SLR models that sell for under 200,000 yen (1,750 USD). Each company plans to market the cameras under its own brand. Like Leitz and Minolta, I suppose... I have one of the Leica branded Minoltas, a C1, and I think Frank's CL is essentially the same, not actually have been made by Leica/Leitz. The CL sure turned out okay! But then, Minolta and Leica were both manufacturers of cameras. We'll see how it goes. keith - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? More info: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1870458,00.asp
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Tom C wrote: I was looking at 40 LCD and a 42 Plasma for around $2850 $3150 respectively. Not that I think those prices are good. I haven't begun to compare online prices from non-major retailers yet. Yeah, it's expensive (my wife will never know what it costs, or I will never be getting one). Overall I like the look of the LCD sets a little better and the burn in that can occur with plasma is worrying. Where do you live? Tom C. Los Angeles, CA, USA You? keith
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, keith_w wrote: CRTs weigh well over 100 lb! Not that I move them every week, but come spring (and sometimes in between) my wife succombs to some need to thoroughly wash windows, and the TV *must* be moved. My 7-yo Grundig CRT is fairly small (20 inch) and is probably too small for our viewing distance (3 meters, say 10 feet). However, its stand has castors, and when it broke down (all capacitors in the PSU were replaced) (even) I could lift it and fit it in the car boot. Yes, I had it fixed, I don't like dumping (though I paid 75 GBP and I am not doing it again; I have done my bit). Plus, who knows (if we ever get round to it) how big the room is going to be in our next, aimed to be last for the next 20 years, house. All I am saying is horses for courses. I think Panasonic and Philips will be my first choices, maybe Grundig again, based on the picture we get from this one and CRT, if I can get it, I am not paying premium for design and fashion. Kostas
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Will the two eventually become Pentax-Samsung or will it become Samsung-Pentax? Sort of in the ChevronTexaco ExxonMobil arrangement. i.e. who will buy who. Who is most vulnerable? - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung Sony. Jack Davis wrote: I suspect Pentax, at least through the L series, will be Rebel's D competition. Pentax only in a few cases. Seems all major dept. stores, with an electronics dept, shows at least one version of the Rebel cabled to the counter. I wish I didn't carry the long standing impression of Samsung as a supplier of cheap products. My sense is they're saying,..go ahead and take a chance, after all, you're not investing much. Can't shake it. Have to say, this tech merge doesn't surprise me in the least. Logical market oriented price fit. Who is building the current Pentax sensor? Jack __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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$300 million? In what jurisdiction? And do you mean dollars or Korean Won? John On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:57:09 +0100, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. On a separate note, Samsung was just convicted of price fixing of memory chips, and ordered to pay a US$300,000,000 (300 million) fine. They're the third major memory manufacurer to either plead guilty or be handed a conviction. Micron was also involved apparently, but won't face charges since they've cooperated with authorities (maybe they were the whistle blowers). I remember a few years back hearing accusations by Olympus and other Japanese camera manufacturers that the Korean companies like Samsung were dumping digital cameras on the market below cost to try to grab market share. I'm not sure how much truth there was to that accusation, but it could be one more black mark on Samsung. This post doesn't have any particular point other than to call out a few interesting tidbits regarding Pentax's new partner. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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The two companies are not merging just co-operating. Quite some time ago I worked for a company that had a strategic alliance with a large Japanese firm. It lasted for one project, especially after one of our security people caught one of their engineers nosing around in our files. These agreements can be formal or very informal and they last only as long as both parties want them to. Mark Stringer wrote: Will the two eventually become Pentax-Samsung or will it become Samsung-Pentax? Sort of in the ChevronTexaco ExxonMobil arrangement. i.e. who will buy who. Who is most vulnerable? - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung Sony. Jack Davis wrote: I suspect Pentax, at least through the L series, will be Rebel's D competition. Pentax only in a few cases. Seems all major dept. stores, with an electronics dept, shows at least one version of the Rebel cabled to the counter. I wish I didn't carry the long standing impression of Samsung as a supplier of cheap products. My sense is they're saying,..go ahead and take a chance, after all, you're not investing much. Can't shake it. Have to say, this tech merge doesn't surprise me in the least. Logical market oriented price fit. Who is building the current Pentax sensor? Jack __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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I believe my post said, US$300,000,000 which is US Dollars. But maybe I was reading too much between the lines. You can read the article on CNN yourself to decide. The article is here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/10/13/samsung.price.fixing.ap/index.html Enjoy! Dave John Forbes wrote: $300 million? In what jurisdiction? And do you mean dollars or Korean Won? John On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:57:09 +0100, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. On a separate note, Samsung was just convicted of price fixing of memory chips, and ordered to pay a US$300,000,000 (300 million) fine. They're the third major memory manufacurer to either plead guilty or be handed a conviction. Micron was also involved apparently, but won't face charges since they've cooperated with authorities (maybe they were the whistle blowers). I remember a few years back hearing accusations by Olympus and other Japanese camera manufacturers that the Korean companies like Samsung were dumping digital cameras on the market below cost to try to grab market share. I'm not sure how much truth there was to that accusation, but it could be one more black mark on Samsung. This post doesn't have any particular point other than to call out a few interesting tidbits regarding Pentax's new partner.
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- Original Message - From: David Oswald Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung: update? I believe my post said, US$300,000,000 which is US Dollars. But maybe I was reading too much between the lines. You can read the article on CNN yourself to decide. The article is here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/10/13/samsung.price.fixing.ap/index.html From the article: The guilty plea to the single felony charge Now, Buddy in San Antonio is facing the felony charge of improper photography. So, is a felony a big deal or not? William Robb
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Absolutely true! Note that I used the term, tech. merge..IOW, a joint effort. Jack --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two companies are not merging just co-operating. Quite some time ago I worked for a company that had a strategic alliance with a large Japanese firm. It lasted for one project, especially after one of our security people caught one of their engineers nosing around in our files. These agreements can be formal or very informal and they last only as long as both parties want them to. Mark Stringer wrote: Will the two eventually become Pentax-Samsung or will it become Samsung-Pentax? Sort of in the ChevronTexaco ExxonMobil arrangement. i.e. who will buy who. Who is most vulnerable? - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung Sony. Jack Davis wrote: I suspect Pentax, at least through the L series, will be Rebel's D competition. Pentax only in a few cases. Seems all major dept. stores, with an electronics dept, shows at least one version of the Rebel cabled to the counter. I wish I didn't carry the long standing impression of Samsung as a supplier of cheap products. My sense is they're saying,..go ahead and take a chance, after all, you're not investing much. Can't shake it. Have to say, this tech merge doesn't surprise me in the least. Logical market oriented price fit. Who is building the current Pentax sensor? Jack __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Where did I read that each might bring out their own version of a DSLR, branded with their respective company names? Jack --- Mark Stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will the two eventually become Pentax-Samsung or will it become Samsung-Pentax? Sort of in the ChevronTexaco ExxonMobil arrangement. i.e. who will buy who. Who is most vulnerable? - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pentax/Samsung Sony. Jack Davis wrote: I suspect Pentax, at least through the L series, will be Rebel's D competition. Pentax only in a few cases. Seems all major dept. stores, with an electronics dept, shows at least one version of the Rebel cabled to the counter. I wish I didn't carry the long standing impression of Samsung as a supplier of cheap products. My sense is they're saying,..go ahead and take a chance, after all, you're not investing much. Can't shake it. Have to say, this tech merge doesn't surprise me in the least. Logical market oriented price fit. Who is building the current Pentax sensor? Jack __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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The United States so it's Dollars. John Forbes wrote: $300 million? In what jurisdiction? And do you mean dollars or Korean Won? John On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:57:09 +0100, David Oswald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: On 13 Oct 2005 at 23:38, Dario Bonazza wrote: I believe it's been added some more info since I read this page first: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp Nothing detailed, though. I've always wanted a pentaprism on a mobile phone. On a separate note, Samsung was just convicted of price fixing of memory chips, and ordered to pay a US$300,000,000 (300 million) fine. They're the third major memory manufacurer to either plead guilty or be handed a conviction. Micron was also involved apparently, but won't face charges since they've cooperated with authorities (maybe they were the whistle blowers). I remember a few years back hearing accusations by Olympus and other Japanese camera manufacturers that the Korean companies like Samsung were dumping digital cameras on the market below cost to try to grab market share. I'm not sure how much truth there was to that accusation, but it could be one more black mark on Samsung. This post doesn't have any particular point other than to call out a few interesting tidbits regarding Pentax's new partner. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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William Robb asked: So, is a felony a big deal or not? In many places there are two types of crimes: felonies and misdemeanors. Conviction of a felony means the felon can no longer vote, serve on a jury (I guess it isn't all bad) or possess a firearm. Tom Reese
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That was before the anti-trust suit long before most of us were born. They say nothing ever dies on the Internet; however that suit happened long long before computers even. It caused Kodak to divest themselves of many of their American holdings. Having to give up the company that made the Speed Graphic was the most notable (historically) result of that suit. Of course by the 1960's or so the US photographic industry was almost dead and they may have aquired stuff again after then. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- P. J. Alling wrote: Kodak used to be the overall holding company for things photographic, I believe at one time they owned a piece of every publicly traded company that manufactured something related to the photo industry.
