Pentax 50-135mm f/2.8 DA* ED IF
G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 50-135mm f/2.8 DA* ED IF
On 5/11/2011 09:06, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Cheers Brian Except the SDM issue (of which you're either paranoid or not), it is said to be stellar. I shot with it once and it was both comfortable from ergonomic point of view and the pictures came out very good. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:06:04PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Sure do. I bought one (to complement my 16-50 on the K10D) just before the price went up. Those two lenses (plus the K10D) are what I take with me for almost anything (sometimes the E-PL1 wins out because of portability). Anecdotally, I think I've seen more problems reported with the SDM on that lens than on any other, but my personal experience has been free of any problems. When I do get round to picking up a 60-250, though, I suspect that the 50-135 will see less use. Bujt until then I trust it will continue to serve me well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I bought mine from Godfrey a couple of years ago. So far (touches wood nervously) I have had no trouble with SDM. It and the 16-50 are my go-to lenses when I'm not hiking (they're too heavy for hillwalking!) and I won't have time for frequent lens changing. Lovely lens for shooting concerts and rehearsals, for portraits and general low-light work, but it's like a bazooka after using primes, and can be a bit obtrusive: not really for street work or candids! If I need longer, I find that the 55-300 is fine for the little use it gets. I haven't been tempted by the 60-250 (yet). Paul On 11 May 2011, at 07:52, John Francis wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:06:04PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Sure do. I bought one (to complement my 16-50 on the K10D) just before the price went up. Those two lenses (plus the K10D) are what I take with me for almost anything (sometimes the E-PL1 wins out because of portability). Anecdotally, I think I've seen more problems reported with the SDM on that lens than on any other, but my personal experience has been free of any problems. When I do get round to picking up a 60-250, though, I suspect that the 50-135 will see less use. Bujt until then I trust it will continue to serve me well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Paul Dunderdale dund...@mcb.net pauldunderd...@mac.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunders/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 50-135mm f/2.8 DA* ED IF
Paul, John, Boris Thanks for the feedback - I'll pass it on. If my son goes ahead and gets one, maybe I'll get to play with it (fathers should have some privileges). Regarding the SDM issue, I think I recall a discussion on this some months back but didn't pay a lot of attention because this is not a lens I'm likely to get. If I recall correctly, if the SDM fails, the screwdriver drive is available not a fall back option. Is that correct? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Wed, 11 May 2011 08:25 +0100, Paul Dunderdale dund...@mcb.net wrote: I bought mine from Godfrey a couple of years ago. So far (touches wood nervously) I have had no trouble with SDM. It and the 16-50 are my go-to lenses when I'm not hiking (they're too heavy for hillwalking!) and I won't have time for frequent lens changing. Lovely lens for shooting concerts and rehearsals, for portraits and general low-light work, but it's like a bazooka after using primes, and can be a bit obtrusive: not really for street work or candids! If I need longer, I find that the 55-300 is fine for the little use it gets. I haven't been tempted by the 60-250 (yet). Paul On 11 May 2011, at 07:52, John Francis wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:06:04PM +1000, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Sure do. I bought one (to complement my 16-50 on the K10D) just before the price went up. Those two lenses (plus the K10D) are what I take with me for almost anything (sometimes the E-PL1 wins out because of portability). Anecdotally, I think I've seen more problems reported with the SDM on that lens than on any other, but my personal experience has been free of any problems. When I do get round to picking up a 60-250, though, I suspect that the 50-135 will see less use. Bujt until then I trust it will continue to serve me well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Paul Dunderdale dund...@mcb.net pauldunderd...@mac.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunders/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/11/2011 10:45, Brian Walters wrote: If I recall correctly, if the SDM fails, the screwdriver drive is available not a fall back option. Is that correct? I cannot say for sure for lack of direct experience with this. I do know for a fact from a friend here that 17-70/4 cannot do screwdriver on K20D. Not sure about the more expensive upclass DA* lenses... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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17-70 is SDM only (as is the 55/1.4 btw) so no screwdriver option. The problem is, if SDM fails, the body will not allow a fallback to usual screwdrive (and we are angry at PEntax because of that) but a non-SDM body (ist-D serie, K100D) will work with screwdrive just fine. AFAICT the 16-50 had a lot more SDM problems than the 50-135 but this is from memory. As for the lens itself, it isn't very fast to AF but optically this is a pure gem. And yes, not very discrete lens, hood is huge :) I wouldn't sell mine for all the tea in China ;) /blink (yep the tea reference is for Boris) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/11/2011 12:31, Thibouille wrote: 17-70 is SDM only (as is the 55/1.4 btw) so no screwdriver option. The problem is, if SDM fails, the body will not allow a fallback to usual screwdrive (and we are angry at PEntax because of that) but a non-SDM body (ist-D serie, K100D) will work with screwdrive just fine. Oh, the SDM only would of course explain it. AFAICT the 16-50 had a lot more SDM problems than the 50-135 but this is from memory. I think it is because 16-50 is simply more frequently used or sought after than 50-135. As for the lens itself, it isn't very fast to AF but optically this is a pure gem. And yes, not very discrete lens, hood is huge :) I wouldn't sell mine for all the tea in China ;) Smaller than 80-200/2.8 yet, methinks. /blink (yep the tea reference is for Boris) We have Palais des Thes in Tel Aviv now... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's great. Perfect for shooting performers in clubs. Great portrait lens, and a sharp, contrasty all-around workhorse. Paul On May 11, 2011, at 2:06 AM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As for the lens itself, it isn't very fast to AF but optically this is a pure gem. And yes, not very discrete lens, hood is huge :) I wouldn't sell mine for all the tea in China ;) Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs [LBA seeking...] [Match found optically this is a pure gem] [Target acquired 50-135] [Commence operation] [failure!failure!failure! FUD overload, auto-response zooms suck] Now the real question is if this gem really is shinier than the combination of FA43 ltd/FA77 ltd/DFA100/FA135 I already have :) [LBA waiting for input...] kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL. I think a combination of primes will always have an optical advantage and an operational disadvantage compared to zooms. All zooms suck? Not anymore. Too many zooms produce images that are excellent to well within a normal range of expectations and use. For some, there is never sharp enough or bokehlicious enough to make any lens really exceptional. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Krisjanis Linkevics krisjanis.linkev...@exigenservices.com wrote: As for the lens itself, it isn't very fast to AF but optically this is a pure gem. And yes, not very discrete lens, hood is huge :) I wouldn't sell mine for all the tea in China ;) Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs [LBA seeking...] [Match found optically this is a pure gem] [Target acquired 50-135] [Commence operation] [failure!failure!failure! FUD overload, auto-response zooms suck] Now the real question is if this gem really is shinier than the combination of FA43 ltd/FA77 ltd/DFA100/FA135 I already have :) [LBA waiting for input...] kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian, at this point you should have all the information you need to make a decision to buy this lens, but I must add my impression. It's dazzling images are truly outstanding. SDM has worked flawlessly for me since buying it a couple years ago. The price makes it a real bargain considering the quality of the images it's capable of producing. Jack --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: Pentax 50-135mm f/2.8 DA* ED IF To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 11:06 PM G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Can't say enough good things about this lens. Highly recommend it. Use this lens when shooting my construction project, photo essays of events--most recent was my organic farm field trip. When I'm playing at photojournalist, I carry two cameras--one with the DA*50-135mm the DA 45-16mm; it's a kit that has served me well. When I got the K10D the 1st lens I got was the FA 50 f1.4 to replace the kit lens. Then I bought the DA* 50-135mm--never regretted it. Used it constantly. I do use a lot of primes now, but mostly for street work--just lighter and more discrete, but the DA* can be used for street work too-- it worked great for the blizzard photo essay earlier this year--it is weather sealed--and it's a go-to lens when I shoot landscape. It's sharp, great color and texture, lovely bokeh. Very quiet focusing. Sooo worth the money! Tell him to go for it, Brian. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:06 AM Subject: Pentax 50-135mm f/2.8 DA* ED IF G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian, Paul has already written what I wanted to say. I find it sharper than my FA 50/1.4 in the comparable range of settings. Also, It is much sharper than 17-70/4 in the range that they overlap. I bought that lens almost 1.5 years ago. Before that D-FA 100/2.8 macro was always in my bag. Now, 50-135 replaced it for all the occasions, except when I shoot macro. I never tried 77/1.8 or 70/2.4 so I cannot compare it to those. I think I mentioned this photo before: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/home#/section=ARTISTsubSection=198943subSubSection=11182395language=EN It was taken with 50-135 1.7x Pentax AF converter. (I was going to show Rob's photo of me taking that photo, but he removed his photo gallery :-( ). So, my claim is that 50-135 is on par with good primes. Igor Wed May 11 06:46:24 EDT 2011 Paul Stenquist wrote: It's great. Perfect for shooting performers in clubs. Great portrait lens, and a sharp, contrasty all-around workhorse. Paul On May 11, 2011, at 2:06 AM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Cheers Brian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Look at that one: http://thibs.no-ip.org/photo/photo_one.php?dir=5a696e6e656b652032303130name=32303130303532322d4b37494d383438322e6a7067 The whole serie Zinneke 2010 (didn't sort them yet, so lot of not so good photos) was shot with the DA*50-135. If you still don't want that lens then, you won't want it ever. 2011/5/11 Krisjanis Linkevics krisjanis.linkev...@exigenservices.com: As for the lens itself, it isn't very fast to AF but optically this is a pure gem. And yes, not very discrete lens, hood is huge :) I wouldn't sell mine for all the tea in China ;) Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs [LBA seeking...] [Match found optically this is a pure gem] [Target acquired 50-135] [Commence operation] [failure!failure!failure! FUD overload, auto-response zooms suck] Now the real question is if this gem really is shinier than the combination of FA43 ltd/FA77 ltd/DFA100/FA135 I already have :) [LBA waiting for input...] kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11-05-11 2:06 AM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Brian, I can't recommend it more highly. Superb optics and handling. The few negatives are typical for a physically large lens, but I suppose also the SDM issue. Mine failed after almost 2 years and was fixed gratis under the warranty. Despite that I'm still a Pentax fan-boy. :-) I have 125 shots with it in my Flickr stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/tags/smcpda50135mmf28edifsdm/ Lightroom tells me I've taken 10,043 shots with it altogether, of which at least a few are keepers. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have the * 50-135mm. It failed a few weeks after the warranty period. The SDM died. Until that time I have not used it for more than a couple of times (less than ten, I believe). Unfortunately, Pentax strictly forbids using it as a screw driven lens on recent bodies. The screw drive mechanism sits there in perfect order but this does not make one happy! Optically, it is simply superb. Ergonomically, it is fine. Autofocus is not stellar (slow), SDM (at least as implemented on this lens) is terrible. I have dropped mine a few months after it was fixed in Germany. Now, it is my most expensive manual zoom lens :( Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/5/11 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: On 11-05-11 2:06 AM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Brian, I can't recommend it more highly. Superb optics and handling. The few negatives are typical for a physically large lens, but I suppose also the SDM issue. Mine failed after almost 2 years and was fixed gratis under the warranty. Despite that I'm still a Pentax fan-boy. :-) I have 125 shots with it in my Flickr stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/tags/smcpda50135mmf28edifsdm/ Lightroom tells me I've taken 10,043 shots with it altogether, of which at least a few are keepers. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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G'day all Thanks for all of the feedback. I've passed the info on to my son. The ball is now in his court! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Wed, 11 May 2011 22:13 +0300, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: I have the * 50-135mm. It failed a few weeks after the warranty period. The SDM died. Until that time I have not used it for more than a couple of times (less than ten, I believe). Unfortunately, Pentax strictly forbids using it as a screw driven lens on recent bodies. The screw drive mechanism sits there in perfect order but this does not make one happy! Optically, it is simply superb. Ergonomically, it is fine. Autofocus is not stellar (slow), SDM (at least as implemented on this lens) is terrible. I have dropped mine a few months after it was fixed in Germany. Now, it is my most expensive manual zoom lens :( Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun 2011/5/11 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: On 11-05-11 2:06 AM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Brian, I can't recommend it more highly. Superb optics and handling. The few negatives are typical for a physically large lens, but I suppose also the SDM issue. Mine failed after almost 2 years and was fixed gratis under the warranty. Despite that I'm still a Pentax fan-boy. :-) I have 125 shots with it in my Flickr stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/tags/smcpda50135mmf28edifsdm/ Lightroom tells me I've taken 10,043 shots with it altogether, of which at least a few are keepers. -bmw -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/05/11 4:06 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all My son is looking at this lens for his K20D. The reviews look good but I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with it. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ I love mine. I is one of the first lenses in the camera bag along with my DA 21mm limited. I have not had any issues with the SDM, it is quiet and fast. The lens is a pleasure to use with silky smooth focusing and zooming. It is good portrait lens and ideal for indoor sports where the light can be problematic. It is heavy, but that is the price you pay for all that lovely glass. I have not really tried the weather proofing, the worst I have had it out in is very light rain. These shots were with it on a K5 http://aviewfinderdarkly.com.au/2011/04/11/south-island-sirens-vs-van-diemen-rollers/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
