Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Larry Colen]

> On Nov 24, 2021, at 12:15 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> A few months ago I bought a used Panasonic GX8 as a second body alongside my 
>> Olympus E-M1 Mk II. It was like new with only about seven hundred shutter 
>> clicks, and was about half the price I???d seen advertised elsewhere. 
>> 
>> It very quickly became the camera I reach for first as it???s much, much 
>> smaller, lighter and more simple than the Oly. I subsequently bought some 
>> used and cosmetically ugly, but optically sound, Panasonic lenses 
>> (12-35/2.8, 35-100/2.8) which are much lighter and easier to handle than the 
>> M.Zuiko 12-40/2.8, and a new 50/1.7.
>> 
>> I like this kit so much that I???ve bought a second mint GX8, with even 
>> fewer shutter clicks (just over 400) than the other one, at an even lower 
>> price, and plan to sell the E-M1 and that lens, along with a few other bits 
>> of Olympus kit.
>> 
>> I realise the GX8 is probably not the camera for someone like John, but for 
>> me it???s a really good find.
>> 
>> Hello again, by the way. I seem to have gone awol from the PDML for a couple 
>> of months, but messages started coming through again yesterday.
> 
> Hello again, Bob - I was wondering where you had vanished to.
> 
> Thanks for the recommendation for the GX8 - I'll take a look at that one.
> 
> I'm anticipating buying a new smaller camera to replace my wife's E-PL1
> (while that camera still works just fine, sensor technology has made a
> few steps forwards since then). I hadn't got round to taking much of a
> look to see what's out there except seeing what the current E-PL## was;
> it will probably be 6-12 months before we go anywhere my wife needs a
> new camera (the hard date is early 2022, when the US National Figure
> Skating Championships returns to San Jose - the last time that this
> happened was when she got the E-PL1).  But it occurred to me that I
> might also want to consider whatever we end up buying as an everyday
> camera just to have with me.


Something that appeals to me about the u4/3 system is the diversity of bodies 
available for it.  You could go full OMD acts like an SLR when you want all the 
things, or a more minimalist body when what you most want is it being light 
weight.  I can see a lot of appeal to an OMD with one of the 25mm f/0.9 lenses. 
 

I was given an u4/3 body a while back and a couple of lenses, and it is enough 
to make me wish I had the budget for a u4/3 lightweight system.  Unfortunately 
the body I have is so damned point and shoot and helpful that it’s damn near 
impossible to use.  Also the internal battery is dead so every time you change 
the battery you have to reset the clock.

Oops, that reminds me I didn’t take my cameras off of DST, need to go do that 
now.

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[John Sessoms]

So, "Never can have too many ..." only applies to lenses?

On 11/24/2021 3:38 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

If anyone is interested, I have a Panasonic GX9 that I hardly use. It’s a nice 
camera, but I have too many.  

Lmk.

G
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[John Sessoms]

The Olympus is micro 4/3 format.

I believe Pentax is still has the lightest, most petite APS-C cameras 
and the K-1 may be the lightest "35mm" Full-frame.


Plus the OM-D is mirrorless. No mirror box. Not even a tiny micro 4/3 
mirror box.


Going the other way, I actually find the Pentax bodies a bit smallish 
for my clumsy hands if I don't have the battery grips installed.


The one Olympus item I am considering is their EE-1 Dot Sight that 
mounts on the hot shoe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzoU7KhZro

On 11/24/2021 2:32 AM, mike wilson wrote:



On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis  wrote:


The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).


I was rather curious about this.  For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the 
lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack of 
facility.  I can remember discussions here about it being one of the 
attractants.  It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving in 
mass was worth the expenditure.


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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Toine]

I'm interested. It would need shipping to the netherlands.
to...@repiuk.nl

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021, 21:38 Godfrey DiGiorgi,  wrote:

> If anyone is interested, I have a Panasonic GX9 that I hardly use. It’s a
> nice camera, but I have too many.  
>
> Lmk.
>
> G
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[John Francis]

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 09:27:33AM +, Bob Pdml wrote:
> > On 24 Nov 2021, at 07:32, mike wilson  wrote:
> > 
> > ???
> >> On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
> >> while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
> >> f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
> >> than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
> >> significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
> > 
> > I was rather curious about this.  For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the 
> > lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack 
> > of facility.  I can remember discussions here about it being one of the 
> > attractants.  It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving 
> > in mass was worth the expenditure.
> > --
> > %(
> 
> A few months ago I bought a used Panasonic GX8 as a second body alongside my 
> Olympus E-M1 Mk II. It was like new with only about seven hundred shutter 
> clicks, and was about half the price I???d seen advertised elsewhere. 
> 
> It very quickly became the camera I reach for first as it???s much, much 
> smaller, lighter and more simple than the Oly. I subsequently bought some 
> used and cosmetically ugly, but optically sound, Panasonic lenses (12-35/2.8, 
> 35-100/2.8) which are much lighter and easier to handle than the M.Zuiko 
> 12-40/2.8, and a new 50/1.7.
> 
> I like this kit so much that I???ve bought a second mint GX8, with even fewer 
> shutter clicks (just over 400) than the other one, at an even lower price, 
> and plan to sell the E-M1 and that lens, along with a few other bits of 
> Olympus kit.
> 
> I realise the GX8 is probably not the camera for someone like John, but for 
> me it???s a really good find.
> 
> Hello again, by the way. I seem to have gone awol from the PDML for a couple 
> of months, but messages started coming through again yesterday.

Hello again, Bob - I was wondering where you had vanished to.

Thanks for the recommendation for the GX8 - I'll take a look at that one.

I'm anticipating buying a new smaller camera to replace my wife's E-PL1
(while that camera still works just fine, sensor technology has made a
few steps forwards since then). I hadn't got round to taking much of a
look to see what's out there except seeing what the current E-PL## was;
it will probably be 6-12 months before we go anywhere my wife needs a
new camera (the hard date is early 2022, when the US National Figure
Skating Championships returns to San Jose - the last time that this
happened was when she got the E-PL1).  But it occurred to me that I
might also want to consider whatever we end up buying as an everyday
camera just to have with me.
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Toine]

The pana leica 100-400 is light as a feather (almost), sharp and a
very nice macro lens for critters. M43 has autocorrect enabled for RAW
which hides CA and purple fringing (if you pixelpeep the corrections
are slightly visisble). The most amazing part is the fast if not
instant focus, bird recognition and stunning dual SR from the lens and
body.
I plan to get the leica macro, on a tripod you get focus bracketing
and touch focus (touch the screen = sets the focus point and starts
the focus bracketing. In post pick the best focus point!

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 21:00, John Francis  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 07:32:50AM +, mike wilson wrote:
> >
> > > On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
> > > while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
> > > f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
> > > than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
> > > significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
> >
> > I was rather curious about this.  For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the 
> > lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack 
> > of facility.  I can remember discussions here about it being one of the 
> > attractants.  It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving 
> > in mass was worth the expenditure.
>
> Well, a fair bit of the expenditure was already earmarked; the K5 is
> getting a bit long in the tooth, so I was considering getting a K3iii.
>
> The big saving in mass comes if I want to use longer focal lengths.
> The last time I went to San Diego Wild Animal Park was the first time
> I got to use my 250-600, and there were a couple of time when I could
> have used something longer. This was back before the days of digital
> bodies; I suspect 600mm on an APS-C sensor would be enough. But that
> lens weighs something like 12lb; there's no way nowadays I'll want to
> lug that around for several hours.
>
> But with the 4/3 sensor I just need to get to 400mm.  I'm not planning
> on buying Olympus's fancy new ($7,500!) 150-400mm/f4.5 zoom, but I might
> consider renting one for a couple of weeks.  And that 'only' weighs 4lb.
> Still a lot to cart around, but a lot more manageable than 12 lb!
> And if I do decide I want my own longer lens Olympus have another way
> to get there - they have an older 100-400/f5.0-6.3 which is a lot lighter
> (on both the wallet and the shoulders); I would think I should be able to
> sell my 250-600 for more than enough to cover the purchase of that lens.
>
>
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[John Francis]

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 07:32:50AM +, mike wilson wrote:
> 
> > On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
> > while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
> > f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
> > than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
> > significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
> 
> I was rather curious about this.  For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the 
> lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack of 
> facility.  I can remember discussions here about it being one of the 
> attractants.  It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving in 
> mass was worth the expenditure.

Well, a fair bit of the expenditure was already earmarked; the K5 is
getting a bit long in the tooth, so I was considering getting a K3iii.

The big saving in mass comes if I want to use longer focal lengths.
The last time I went to San Diego Wild Animal Park was the first time
I got to use my 250-600, and there were a couple of time when I could
have used something longer. This was back before the days of digital
bodies; I suspect 600mm on an APS-C sensor would be enough. But that
lens weighs something like 12lb; there's no way nowadays I'll want to
lug that around for several hours.

But with the 4/3 sensor I just need to get to 400mm.  I'm not planning
on buying Olympus's fancy new ($7,500!) 150-400mm/f4.5 zoom, but I might
consider renting one for a couple of weeks.  And that 'only' weighs 4lb.
Still a lot to cart around, but a lot more manageable than 12 lb!
And if I do decide I want my own longer lens Olympus have another way
to get there - they have an older 100-400/f5.0-6.3 which is a lot lighter
(on both the wallet and the shoulders); I would think I should be able to
sell my 250-600 for more than enough to cover the purchase of that lens.


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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[John Francis]

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:02:54AM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> With the 50-135/2.8 on the Pentax it might be lighter. That???s been my walk 
> around for a while now. Although With a K3.
> 
> Paul

I'm sure it would be lighter.  But that's hardly the point.
The lens I seem to use most often is the 60-250, and much of
the time I'm shooting at a focal length of 150mm or more.
(Sometimes I even use it with the 1.4x teleconverter).
The 40-150 is a close match to the 60-250 for AoV. And if I
want to buy a teleconverter I've got a choice of 1.4x or 2x.
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Bob Pdml]

On 24 Nov 2021, at 10:12, mike wilson  wrote:


On 24 November 2021 at 09:27 Bob Pdml  wrote:
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Bob Pdml]

> On 24 Nov 2021, at 07:32, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 24 November 2021 at 04:47 John Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
>> while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
>> f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
>> than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
>> significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
> 
> I was rather curious about this.  For decades, Pentax was agreed to be the 
> lightest and petitest of the major manufacturers, generally without a lack of 
> facility.  I can remember discussions here about it being one of the 
> attractants.  It will be interesting to see if you decide that the saving in 
> mass was worth the expenditure.
> --
> %(

A few months ago I bought a used Panasonic GX8 as a second body alongside my 
Olympus E-M1 Mk II. It was like new with only about seven hundred shutter 
clicks, and was about half the price I’d seen advertised elsewhere. 

It very quickly became the camera I reach for first as it’s much, much smaller, 
lighter and more simple than the Oly. I subsequently bought some used and 
cosmetically ugly, but optically sound, Panasonic lenses (12-35/2.8, 
35-100/2.8) which are much lighter and easier to handle than the M.Zuiko 
12-40/2.8, and a new 50/1.7.

I like this kit so much that I’ve bought a second mint GX8, with even fewer 
shutter clicks (just over 400) than the other one, at an even lower price, and 
plan to sell the E-M1 and that lens, along with a few other bits of Olympus kit.

I realise the GX8 is probably not the camera for someone like John, but for me 
it’s a really good find.

Hello again, by the way. I seem to have gone awol from the PDML for a couple of 
months, but messages started coming through again yesterday.

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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Paul Stenquist]

With the 50-135/2.8 on the Pentax it might be lighter. That’s been my walk 
around for a while now. Although With a K3.

Paul

> On Nov 23, 2021, at 11:47 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's here!
> 
> See http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/NewestToy.jpg
> 
> That's a 40-150 on the OM-D, and the 60-250 on the K5,
> which is about as close a comparison setup as I can get.
> 
> The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
> while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
> f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
> than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
> significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).
> 
> I haven't seen any results from it yet - it was dark by the
> time the batteries were charged and I'd done the initial
> setup (the user manual is almost 700 pages, and they don't
> even supply you with a printed copy!).
> 
> One thing I am going to miss, though, is Hyper Program mode.
> But the body is covered with a myriad buttons, most of which
> can be programmed; there may be a way for me to set one up
> to toggle between shutter priority and program mode, which
> is what I mostly used Hyper Program for.
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[John Francis]

It's here!

See http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/NewestToy.jpg

That's a 40-150 on the OM-D, and the 60-250 on the K5,
which is about as close a comparison setup as I can get.

The Olympus rig is only a little lighter than the Pentax;
while the lens is significantly lighter (even though it's
f2.8, not f4), the OM-D body is actually quite a bit heavier
than the K5. (The K3 is heaver than the K5, too, but still
significantly lighter than the OM-D M1X, even with a grip).

I haven't seen any results from it yet - it was dark by the
time the batteries were charged and I'd done the initial
setup (the user manual is almost 700 pages, and they don't
even supply you with a printed copy!).

One thing I am going to miss, though, is Hyper Program mode.
But the body is covered with a myriad buttons, most of which
can be programmed; there may be a way for me to set one up
to toggle between shutter priority and program mode, which
is what I mostly used Hyper Program for.
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[wendy beard]

I traded the last of my Pentax digital bodies and some lenses two
years ago for the OM-D EM II.
I have been hanging on to my 3 original limited lenses (31/43/77)
hoping that there would be a Pentax body down the line that I would
like to use with them. I have pretty much given up and might finally
sell them unless some fabulous deal comes along in the next week or
so.
I love the form factor of the Olympus but the AF doesn't hold a candle
to the Canon R6 (which I also have). I don't love the menu systems on
either camera. I find the Olympus worse than the Canon for that.

Wendy

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:57 AM John Francis  wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all who contributed their thoughts.
>
> It looks as though the answer is going to be Olympus.
>
> A significant factor in that decision is that, as several people
> (including my wife) pointed out to me, it doesn't matter how good
> your camera is if it's sitting at home because it's too heavy to
> carry around (and unfortunately you don't want to leave anything
> valuable in your car at many of the tourist spots round here).
>
> The decision was also influenced by the fact that Olympus kindly
> chose to put their top-of-the-line sports & wildlife body - the
> OM-D E-M1X - on sale for the next couple of weeks, so that instead
> of being $3000 I could get it for less than the cost of a K-3iii.
> Of course that's without any lenses ...
>
> Fortunately I've alread got a couple of Olympus Micro 4/3 lenses
> lying around - a 12-40mm and 40-150mm - that I bought some years
> ago for my wife (together with an Olympus Pen EPL-1); I've got a
> better 40-150 coming along with the body, but I'll be able to use
> the 12-40 until I decide what to buy to cover those focal lengths.
>
> So I guess that, assuming everything goes as planned, at some point
> I'll be putting at least some of my Pentax gear up for sale.
> (And yes, that *will* include the FA* 250-600/f5.6).
>
> It will seem strange not to be using a Pentax as my everyday camera;
> it's almost 50 years since I bought myself a Spotmatic II along with
> a 50mm f1.4 lens, and I've stuck with Pentax ever since.
> (MX, ME, ME Super, Super Program, PZ-1p, MZ-S, *ist-D, K10D, K5).
>
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Toine]

The 6x21 monocular has a special clamp and ocular rubber to fit on a
smartphone. Very well made but it doesnt work on my Samsung. As a monocular
its spectacular. As you might have guessed I have the 6x21. The microscope
closeup lens is also great.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021, 18:31 Eric Weir,  wrote:

>
> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
> >
> > Switch to an iPhone 13 Pro Max. It will provide excellent 11 megapixel
> photos with wide, normal and short tele lenses. Lots of nice features like
> portrait and panorama modes. Excellent video too. Good in camera editing as
> well. Oh, and it has phone and web browser functions, When you need big
> glass or higher res use your Pentax,
>
> Experience with the amazing—to me, of course—Fuji XQ1 compact, which I
> purchased to keep my kit light for a 2015 bike tour in Italy, caused me to
> start graduating away from Pentax. I kept the XQ1, purchased a Fuji XM1 and
> a Fuji XF 27/2.8 lens, and gradually sold off my Pentax bodies and lenses.
>
> Subsequently, when on a month spent on the Blue ridge Parkway I found
> myself without batteries for the Fuji equipment when both of the battery
> chargers purchased for the trip failed to work, I resorted to my iPhone 6s
> as my backup camera and was stunned at the quality of the images I got.
>
> On three trips to the Big Bend area since then the iPhone has been my only
> camera. I have one photo from those trips enlarged and framed on my wall
> now. There could be more. The only thing I longed for with the 6s was a
> telephoto lens to bring some of the distant landscape scenes of Big Bend up
> closer.
>
> Recently I upgraded the 6s to an iPhone 12 Pro, mainly for the telephoto
> lens it provides. I find it helpful in other settings but it won’t meet the
> need I feel in Big Bend landscapes. Should I get the opportunity to return
> to Big Bend I will consider going back to Pentax for this:
> https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/vm-6x21-wp-monocular/
>
> It’ll perhaps be admitting my lack of technical sophistication, but I find
> the editing capabilities of iPhone cameras and Apple’s Photos app fully
> adequate to my needs. I will hang onto LightRoom as a way of preserving the
> editing I did with my Pentax and Fuji photos but rely on Photos from here
> on out as my primary photo editing and organizing software.
>
> What were you referring to, Paul, when you mentioned the 13 Pro Max’s
> “phone and web browser functions”?
>
> 
> Eric Weir
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> That doesn't mean you'll be able to kick me off the PDML, though!

Hmm.  I post that, and for over 24 hours I don't see any new messages ...
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[John Francis]

Thanks to all who contributed their thoughts.

It looks as though the answer is going to be Olympus.

A significant factor in that decision is that, as several people
(including my wife) pointed out to me, it doesn't matter how good
your camera is if it's sitting at home because it's too heavy to
carry around (and unfortunately you don't want to leave anything
valuable in your car at many of the tourist spots round here).

The decision was also influenced by the fact that Olympus kindly
chose to put their top-of-the-line sports & wildlife body - the
OM-D E-M1X - on sale for the next couple of weeks, so that instead
of being $3000 I could get it for less than the cost of a K-3iii.
Of course that's without any lenses ...

Fortunately I've alread got a couple of Olympus Micro 4/3 lenses
lying around - a 12-40mm and 40-150mm - that I bought some years
ago for my wife (together with an Olympus Pen EPL-1); I've got a
better 40-150 coming along with the body, but I'll be able to use
the 12-40 until I decide what to buy to cover those focal lengths.

So I guess that, assuming everything goes as planned, at some point
I'll be putting at least some of my Pentax gear up for sale.
(And yes, that *will* include the FA* 250-600/f5.6).

It will seem strange not to be using a Pentax as my everyday camera;
it's almost 50 years since I bought myself a Spotmatic II along with
a 50mm f1.4 lens, and I've stuck with Pentax ever since.
(MX, ME, ME Super, Super Program, PZ-1p, MZ-S, *ist-D, K10D, K5).

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[Alan C]

Or simply the "Photographer's Discuss Mail List" plus a "PENTAX AT 
HEART" sticker for use on any camera or mobile!


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Considering how many members of this list have moved away from Pentax, maybe we 
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You might very well think that, but I couldn't possibly cormorant.

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On 11/18/2021 11:26 AM, Toine wrote:

First images from my panasonic are excellent:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=006-360-1000139
f/8 1/640 sec 400mm ISO 500

It's amazing, a fancy mirrorless body and a Leica superzoom for the
price of a K3III. Sorry...




No reason to apologize. You do what you have to do to get the images you 
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Brian W]

I've more or less moved to OLympus.  I still have my K-5, K-01 & istDS and a
variety of lenses but I rarely use them now.  I have an E-M10 & E-M5 II and
think they are the bees knees.  I really like the electronic viewfinders and
don't find them at all inferior to the optical finders of the Pentaxes.

The only negative is the fairly short battery life but a couple of spares takes
care of that.

I really wish Pentax did something like this.


Cheers
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> On 18 November 2021 at 08:37 John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether I'll
> stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing
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> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:12 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Check out this guy's stuff.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/klatuu13/albums/

Ooh, wow! Love it. All of it.


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> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Switch to an iPhone 13 Pro Max. It will provide excellent 11 megapixel photos 
> with wide, normal and short tele lenses. Lots of nice features like portrait 
> and panorama modes. Excellent video too. Good in camera editing as well. Oh, 
> and it has phone and web browser functions, When you need big glass or higher 
> res use your Pentax,

Experience with the amazing—to me, of course—Fuji XQ1 compact, which I 
purchased to keep my kit light for a 2015 bike tour in Italy, caused me to 
start graduating away from Pentax. I kept the XQ1, purchased a Fuji XM1 and a 
Fuji XF 27/2.8 lens, and gradually sold off my Pentax bodies and lenses. 

Subsequently, when on a month spent on the Blue ridge Parkway I found myself 
without batteries for the Fuji equipment when both of the battery chargers 
purchased for the trip failed to work, I resorted to my iPhone 6s as my backup 
camera and was stunned at the quality of the images I got. 

On three trips to the Big Bend area since then the iPhone has been my only 
camera. I have one photo from those trips enlarged and framed on my wall now. 
There could be more. The only thing I longed for with the 6s was a telephoto 
lens to bring some of the distant landscape scenes of Big Bend up closer.

Recently I upgraded the 6s to an iPhone 12 Pro, mainly for the telephoto lens 
it provides. I find it helpful in other settings but it won’t meet the need I 
feel in Big Bend landscapes. Should I get the opportunity to return to Big Bend 
I will consider going back to Pentax for this: 
https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/vm-6x21-wp-monocular/

It’ll perhaps be admitting my lack of technical sophistication, but I find the 
editing capabilities of iPhone cameras and Apple’s Photos app fully adequate to 
my needs. I will hang onto LightRoom as a way of preserving the editing I did 
with my Pentax and Fuji photos but rely on Photos from here on out as my 
primary photo editing and organizing software. 

What were you referring to, Paul, when you mentioned the 13 Pro Max’s “phone 
and web browser functions”?


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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Stanley Halpin]

Hi. My name is Stan, and I have way too much Pentax gear. Thank you for 
allowing me to join you at this evening’s meeting of those suffering from Gear 
Acquisition Syndrome.

But seriously… Within a few months I hope to get back to my occasional travels 
to foreign/scenic/exotic places. And I have been giving a lot of thought as to 
what gear to take and how to use it. One K-1ii or both of them. 645Z? But that 
probably means the tripod as well. I hate not having a back-up camera… And the 
APS-C format is nice for bird shots.

All of this musing led me to purchase a K-3iii. After a few months, about 1000 
images, I sold it. This may not be relevant for others, but my issue was with 
the menu structure and the heavy use of touch-screen in lieu of hierarchical 
lists under the Menu button. I’ll confess that I probably just did not give it 
enough serious study, and I coulda shoulda set up a few User settings so that I 
wouldn’t need to worry about the menu details. But I sold it, bought a used 
K-3ii for about 25% the price of the K-3iii. 

If I were to switch to a different brand Olympus would be high on my list just 
because long long ago, before my ME-Super, I had the OM-1 and was very pleased 
with everything about it except the match-needle exposure was off and my 
brother convinced me to try the Pentax. I would also consider some version of 
Nikon just because the last time I looked the menus/buttons etc. were similar 
to Pentax. But I cannot imagine that any brand camera at this point would be a 
bad choice, in terms of quality. For me, as with the K-3iii the choice would 
come down to usability.

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> On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it 
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have 
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag 
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing 
> the weight.
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First images from my panasonic are excellent:
https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=006-360-1000139
f/8 1/640 sec 400mm ISO 500

It's amazing, a fancy mirrorless body and a Leica superzoom for the
price of a K3III. Sorry...


On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 16:18, Rick Womer  wrote:
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> John, I was having similar weight problems with my K-5 and accessories (17-70 
> usually on the camera, 10-17 and 50-200 in the bag; sometimes the 80-320).
>
> I tracked down a LowePro Off Road bag, which has a great built-in hip belt. 
> That takes all the strain off my neck and shoulders, but keeps everything 
> accessible.
>
> The two drawbacks are that it isn’t waterproof, and has been out of 
> production for several years.
>
> Rick
>
> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> > I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> >
> > I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate 
> > it if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> > experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> > thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> > And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or 
> > have considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> >
> > The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> > younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera 
> > bag full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to 
> > reducing the weight.
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[Rick Womer]

John, I was having similar weight problems with my K-5 and accessories (17-70 
usually on the camera, 10-17 and 50-200 in the bag; sometimes the 80-320).

I tracked down a LowePro Off Road bag, which has a great built-in hip belt. 
That takes all the strain off my neck and shoulders, but keeps everything 
accessible.

The two drawbacks are that it isn’t waterproof, and has been out of production 
for several years.

Rick

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it 
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have 
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag 
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing 
> the weight.
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[Toine]

I sold my 400+ sigma and pentax and switched to panasonic dc-g9 and pana
leica 100 400. Equal to 200 800 on 35mm.
Half the weight, dual lens and body SR. Bird, animal detection, amazinf AF
etc etc.
And the best part if I look through the viewfinder I remember my MX.


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> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 05:12:29PM -0600, Bill wrote:
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> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/klatuu13/albums/
> >
> > [. . .]
> >
> > He had a lot of big  prints in his house from the Olympus. The quality is
> > there with the equipment.
> >
> > Bill
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> It certainly is!
>
> I looked more at the bird shots than anything else; some of them are
> spectacular!
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On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 05:12:29PM -0600, Bill wrote:
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> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/klatuu13/albums/
> 
> [. . .]
> 
> He had a lot of big  prints in his house from the Olympus. The quality is
> there with the equipment.
> 
> Bill

It certainly is!

I looked more at the bird shots than anything else; some of them are 
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On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 06:01:46PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Switch to an iPhone 13 Pro Max. It will provide excellent 11 megapixel photos 
> with wide, normal and short tele lenses. Lots of nice features like portrait 
> and panorama modes. Excellent video too. Good in camera editing as well. Oh, 
> and it has phone and web browser functions, When you need big glass or higher 
> res use your Pentax,
> 
> Paul

It's not the range up to short tele that I'm having a problem with.
I don't use wide angle much, so for most of the time a camera with
the 16-50 covers the close end of what I expect to be shooting.
On the K-3 (or my current K-5) I think that's pretty similar to the
field of view of the iPhone's telephoto lens. Even adding the 50-135
to the camera bag isn't a weight issue if I want a little more reach.

The problem comes if I've got the 60-250 along, especially if I'm
using that lens the majority of the time. After an hour or two I'm
beginning to notice the strain on my arm muscles.
(And let's not talk about using anything longer than that).

That's the issue I'm comtemplating addressing by switching to 4/3.
A phone camera, even one as good as the iPhone, doesn't solve that.
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I agree with Paul about the capabilities of the iPhone.  I have an iPhone
12 Pro Max, and it is an excellent camera, with normal, wide and tele
lenses.  My son tells me the 13 is even better, by quite a bit.

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> Switch to an iPhone 13 Pro Max. It will provide excellent 11 megapixel
> photos with wide, normal and short tele lenses. Lots of nice features like
> portrait and panorama modes. Excellent video too. Good in camera editing as
> well. Oh, and it has phone and web browser functions, When you need big
> glass or higher res use your Pentax,
>
> Paul
>
> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about
> whether I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> >
> > I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd
> appreciate it if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct
> email) your experiences - positive or negative - with any particular
> Olympus model (I'm thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> > And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or
> have considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> >
> > The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting
> any younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a
> camera bag full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way
> to reducing the weight.
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> On Nov 17, 2021, at 1:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it 
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have 
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag 
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing 
> the weight.

I don’t see them as mutually exclusive.  There might even be good adapters that 
let you use K mount on u43 bodies.

I’d suggest renting a body of interest for a weekend and going to a local track 
when a club is putting on a track day to get a feel for how it works in real 
life.  You could splurge and rent both an OLY and a K-3iii.

Or, you could buy the Oly for general carry around and just rent whatever top 
of the line Pentax for a week or two when you’re heading out to a race.

In any case I’d be very tempted to just buy a used copy of the penultimate top 
of the line camera.  Unfortunately I don’t think the K-3iii prices will fall 
significantly for a bit.  Maybe for some big sales in the next couple of months 
if you’re lucky, otherwise probably not until February.   

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[Bill]

Check out this guy's stuff.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/klatuu13/albums/

Brian was a long time friend who also happened to be a master at all things
photography.
He contracted polio when he was 12 or so, at which point he lost most of
the use of his legs. The first time I met him, he was bootin it up the
street towards a friend and I, a couple of Leica rangefinders bouncing off
the crutches he needed to get around.
As he got older and his body started to fail him, he needed to downsize
from the Canons that he settled on when digital came on, and decided on
Olympus as the best option out there. Almost all of his scenics were shot
from the driver's seat of his minivan using a clamp with a tripod head that
attached to the partially rolled down window.

I thought the gear that he had was nice. He was into photographing whatever
birds he could attract in by the time he moved to Olympus. The long lenses
aren't all that long, of course, and are much smaller. I don't think I ever
saw him with a wide angle lens with his Olympus.

He had a lot of big  prints in his house from the Olympus. The quality is
there with the equipment.

Bill





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>
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether
> I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
>
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate
> it if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or
> have considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
>
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera
> bag full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to
> reducing the weight.
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Re: Pentax or Olympus?

[Paul Stenquist]

Switch to an iPhone 13 Pro Max. It will provide excellent 11 megapixel photos 
with wide, normal and short tele lenses. Lots of nice features like portrait 
and panorama modes. Excellent video too. Good in camera editing as well. Oh, 
and it has phone and web browser functions, When you need big glass or higher 
res use your Pentax,

Paul

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:37 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> The recent posts about the K3-III got me to wondering again about whether 
> I'll stick with Pentax and get a K3-III, or switch brands.
> 
> I know a few of the posters here have already moved over - I'd appreciate it 
> if you could share with me (either here on PDML or by direct email) your 
> experiences - positive or negative - with any particular Olympus model (I'm 
> thinking of an OM-D of some kind).
> And if there are any other people here who are considering switching (or have 
> considered it in the past) I'd like to hear your thoughts, too.
> 
> The main reason I'm considering the switch is because I'm not getting any 
> younger, and it's getting increasingly more tiring to lug around a camera bag 
> full of gear.  Switching to a smaller format should go some way to reducing 
> the weight.
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