Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-08 Thread steve harley

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-07 Thread Boris Liberman
That's been my point all along. I keep K-5 for backup/AF/flash 
photography. This is where mix match of cameras and lenses with or 
without adapters won't work. When my K-5 bites the dust (given that I 
have less than 20,000 frames on it, it may take time), I would probably 
buy a full frame body and use Sigma 24-60/2.8 for standard zoom. But 
since my K-5 is not showing any signs of decomposition (mild pun here) - 
I am good as I am now :-).



On 2/6/2015 22:22, J C OConnell wrote:
if you prefer evf, why stick with dslr? mirrorless is better for that. 
I much prefer optical vf.

jco
On 2/6/2015 2:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
You see, with K10D it worked. With K-7 it was a whole saga. With K-5 
I had to buy a special camera where someone already installed and 
_properly shimmed_ the special focusing screen. Nowadays, I prefer 
EVF and its focusing aids. My hit rate is higher and the strain on my 
eyes is less.


On 2/6/2015 21:12, J C OConnell wrote:
I have no problem shooting with the k50/1.2,  I dont use f1.2, I 
stop down a little.  Plus, I changed to a split image RF focus 
screen that work excellent for MF lenses.

On 2/6/2015 2:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Right. I've got Pentax-K-to-Leica-M adapter of highest quality and 
A 50/1.2 that I occasionally use this way. However, I don't expect 
new camera to be very good at precision manual focusing for 50/1.2 
lenses. Pentax will want you to buy new glass...


Boris

On 2/6/2015 20:53, J C OConnell wrote:

Ive got a K50/1.2 I can slap on there
jco
On 2/5/2015 11:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I'll just wait and see... However I doubt that this will have any 
practical interest for me anyway...


My K-5 and Sigma 17-70 are more than enough. As well, Ricoh GXR-M 
and Nokton 40/1.4 is a tough combo to beat in terms of 
portability without giving up any image quality.


Oh, here is my take on the thread subject. This new camera will 
be big, heavy, and expensive so that I'll probably won't buy it.


By the way, where is standard fast zoom for it?

Back to lurking...
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On February 6, 2015 2:55:41 AM Darren Addy 
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Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/ 



dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914 



Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to 
see if

it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-07 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 6 Feb 2015, at 23:54, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 
 
 On February 6, 2015 1:07:28 PM PST, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 On 2/6/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize
 that
 the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on
 it,
 Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by
 using
 retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by
 the
 vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with
 modern lenses.
 
 You think there are any of those hipsters left who haven't already 
 bought the Nikon Df?
 
 Are there any that could afford a Nikon df? I thought they all had menial low 
 paying jobs, at least the ones that are employed.
 

Round here they all work in high-paid media jobs and spend their money on 
pretty fixies, retro cycling clothes and beard wax.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-07 Thread P.J. Alling

On 2/7/2015 4:50 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 6 Feb 2015, at 23:54, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:




On February 6, 2015 1:07:28 PM PST, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:

On 2/6/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize

that

the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on

it,

Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by

using

retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by

the

vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with

modern lenses.

You think there are any of those hipsters left who haven't already
bought the Nikon Df?

Are there any that could afford a Nikon df? I thought they all had menial low 
paying jobs, at least the ones that are employed.


Round here they all work in high-paid media jobs and spend their money on 
pretty fixies, retro cycling clothes and beard wax.


I didn't know you could still get beard wax.



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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-07 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 7 Feb 2015, at 14:51, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 2/7/2015 4:50 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 On 6 Feb 2015, at 23:54, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 
 On February 6, 2015 1:07:28 PM PST, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 On 2/6/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize
 that
 the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on
 it,
 Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by
 using
 retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by
 the
 vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with
 modern lenses.
 
 You think there are any of those hipsters left who haven't already
 bought the Nikon Df?
 Are there any that could afford a Nikon df? I thought they all had menial 
 low paying jobs, at least the ones that are employed.
 
 Round here they all work in high-paid media jobs and spend their money on 
 pretty fixies, retro cycling clothes and beard wax.
 
 I didn't know you could still get beard wax.

Are you kidding? It's everywhere here - Google it. I used to think nothing 
would rid central London of the smell of urine in the morning, but nowadays 
it's wafts of beard wax as drippy-looking pre-Raphaelites, hips skinnier than 
their top tube, drift by on their rescued steel frames. And that's just the 
girls.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-07 Thread J C OConnell
with aps you are working with smaller format, thus making the lenses 
more critical.
true you are dealing with the sweet spot of FF lenses but not all FF 
lenses have noticable

corner problems.
On 2/6/2015 8:05 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

and a lot of the people will find out that FF puts less demand on the optical 
quality
of the lenses compared to aps for the same results, therefore better results for
lenses of same quality.

This is the opposite of what I have seen and read. The APS-C takes
only the central portion of the optical circle of 35mm glass. It is
normally in the corners where things begin to deteriorate - corners
you never even record on an APS-C sensor. I believe that this is why
Pentax chose to simultaneously release some great new full frame zoom
glass. A full frame sensor will expose lens deficiencies (pardon the
pun?).




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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com:


I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new Canon EOS
5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as well.

The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with the file
sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and storage means a real
think about computer hardware as well.




Of course, you don't actually have to buy one  :-)

I'm perfectly happy with the 16MP produced from my K-5 and Oly E-M10.   
That's not to say I might not be tempted in a couple of years when the  
next generation arrives (but then there's that E-M5 II...)



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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Boris Liberman
Right. I've got Pentax-K-to-Leica-M adapter of highest quality and A 
50/1.2 that I occasionally use this way. However, I don't expect new 
camera to be very good at precision manual focusing for 50/1.2 lenses. 
Pentax will want you to buy new glass...


Boris

On 2/6/2015 20:53, J C OConnell wrote:

Ive got a K50/1.2 I can slap on there
jco
On 2/5/2015 11:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I'll just wait and see... However I doubt that this will have any 
practical interest for me anyway...


My K-5 and Sigma 17-70 are more than enough. As well, Ricoh GXR-M and 
Nokton 40/1.4 is a tough combo to beat in terms of portability 
without giving up any image quality.


Oh, here is my take on the thread subject. This new camera will be 
big, heavy, and expensive so that I'll probably won't buy it.


By the way, where is standard fast zoom for it?

Back to lurking...
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On February 6, 2015 2:55:41 AM Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/ 



dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914 



Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if
it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
#1 The sensor will match some Nikon model. That seems all too obvious.
#2 The software will not have all the features of the competition.
#3 Pentax will introduce some software gizmo to make the camera unique and
desirable.

Dear Pentax,

Personally, I would still like to see a decent Wi-Fi solution in every
camera, with appropriate login for networking.
Perhaps it should be located in a grip with its own battery since not
everyone needs one.
The grip would also have its own CPU.  Some low-power solution like a
smartphone cpu.
Likewise the memory cards would become a disk-sharing solution with the
camera having preference.
This approach would all more efficient transfer of information than do the
current implementations.

Hire me.  I can do this.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread J C OConnell
if you prefer evf, why stick with dslr? mirrorless is better for that. I 
much prefer optical vf.

jco
On 2/6/2015 2:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
You see, with K10D it worked. With K-7 it was a whole saga. With K-5 I 
had to buy a special camera where someone already installed and 
_properly shimmed_ the special focusing screen. Nowadays, I prefer EVF 
and its focusing aids. My hit rate is higher and the strain on my eyes 
is less.


On 2/6/2015 21:12, J C OConnell wrote:
I have no problem shooting with the k50/1.2,  I dont use f1.2, I stop 
down a little.  Plus, I changed to a split image RF focus screen that 
work excellent for MF lenses.

On 2/6/2015 2:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Right. I've got Pentax-K-to-Leica-M adapter of highest quality and A 
50/1.2 that I occasionally use this way. However, I don't expect new 
camera to be very good at precision manual focusing for 50/1.2 
lenses. Pentax will want you to buy new glass...


Boris

On 2/6/2015 20:53, J C OConnell wrote:

Ive got a K50/1.2 I can slap on there
jco
On 2/5/2015 11:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I'll just wait and see... However I doubt that this will have any 
practical interest for me anyway...


My K-5 and Sigma 17-70 are more than enough. As well, Ricoh GXR-M 
and Nokton 40/1.4 is a tough combo to beat in terms of portability 
without giving up any image quality.


Oh, here is my take on the thread subject. This new camera will be 
big, heavy, and expensive so that I'll probably won't buy it.


By the way, where is standard fast zoom for it?

Back to lurking...
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On February 6, 2015 2:55:41 AM Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/ 



dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914 



Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if
it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Larry Colen
My guess is that it will be around 36MP, and will have better per pixel
performance than the K-5.  I expect that it will have all of the cool
new features that are on the K-3, K-S1 (except for gratuitous blinkenlights)
etc.
Other than the improved sensor, I don't expect a lot of additional features
that aren't already on other Pentax cameras.
I do hope that they take advantage of the greater real estate and pack in 
a lot more focus (and metering?) points.
I predict that up until it ships there will be a wailing and moaning
and gnashing of teeth over all of the pet features that it doesn't have.
It will slightly outperform other DSLRs with comparable sensors, and likewise
the body will be a bit smaller, and the shutter quieter, but probably not
quite as quiet as the K-5 (bigger mirror and all).
It will come in black and silver, and will be priced comparably with the
Nikon D750 rather than the D810.
Autofocus performance will be improved over the K-3, but still not as good
as the best in other brands.
I think that the halo effect of having a 24x36 upgrade path will encourage
more people to take Pentax seriously, it will start gaining in market share,
and we'll get a nice positive feedback loop as more people buy them, even 
more people will know that Pentax still exists.  

Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize that
the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on it,
Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by using
retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by the 
vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with modern 
lenses.


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread J C OConnell
and a lot of the people will find out that FF puts less demand on the 
optical quality
 of the lenses complared to aps for the same results, therefore better 
results for

lenses of same quality.

e.g. if you keep the Mpixels and optical quality of the lenses constant, 
the system

resolution increases as you increase the size of the format ( FF vs APSC).
jco


On 2/6/2015 2:56 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Oops, I forgot to mention.  I think that a lot of people who have been
waiting for the 24x36 sensor to use their old glass will find when they
start pixel peeping that the new lenses handily outperform the old lenses.
I think that the people who just look at the final image, however, will
be ecstatic because the body will deliver the best images possible from
the vintage glass, and many of the inherent flaws of the glass will be
correctable in post processing.




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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Ken Waller

Which proves that the more you give people, the less happy they are.


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On 06/02/2015 10:32 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

More DR would be sweet. This is what I'm already hearing complaints
about in the Canon camp over the new 5Ds beasties: no apparent DR
improvement over the 5D Mk III despite near medium format performance
otherwise.


Which proves that the more you give people, the less happy they are.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread John
Old glass will have to suffice until new glass becomes 
available/affordable.


On 2/6/2015 2:56 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Oops, I forgot to mention.  I think that a lot of people who have been
waiting for the 24x36 sensor to use their old glass will find when they
start pixel peeping that the new lenses handily outperform the old lenses.
I think that the people who just look at the final image, however, will
be ecstatic because the body will deliver the best images possible from
the vintage glass, and many of the inherent flaws of the glass will be
correctable in post processing.



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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread John

On 2/6/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize that
the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on it,
Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by using
retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by the
vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with modern 
lenses.




You think there are any of those hipsters left who haven't already 
bought the Nikon Df?


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Boris Liberman
You see, with K10D it worked. With K-7 it was a whole saga. With K-5 I 
had to buy a special camera where someone already installed and 
_properly shimmed_ the special focusing screen. Nowadays, I prefer EVF 
and its focusing aids. My hit rate is higher and the strain on my eyes 
is less.


On 2/6/2015 21:12, J C OConnell wrote:
I have no problem shooting with the k50/1.2,  I dont use f1.2, I stop 
down a little.  Plus, I changed to a split image RF focus screen that 
work excellent for MF lenses.

On 2/6/2015 2:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Right. I've got Pentax-K-to-Leica-M adapter of highest quality and A 
50/1.2 that I occasionally use this way. However, I don't expect new 
camera to be very good at precision manual focusing for 50/1.2 
lenses. Pentax will want you to buy new glass...


Boris

On 2/6/2015 20:53, J C OConnell wrote:

Ive got a K50/1.2 I can slap on there
jco
On 2/5/2015 11:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I'll just wait and see... However I doubt that this will have any 
practical interest for me anyway...


My K-5 and Sigma 17-70 are more than enough. As well, Ricoh GXR-M 
and Nokton 40/1.4 is a tough combo to beat in terms of portability 
without giving up any image quality.


Oh, here is my take on the thread subject. This new camera will be 
big, heavy, and expensive so that I'll probably won't buy it.


By the way, where is standard fast zoom for it?

Back to lurking...
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On February 6, 2015 2:55:41 AM Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/ 



dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914 



Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if
it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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RE: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread mail1
If Pentax can accomplish what Nikon did with the Df model regarding the
compatibility with their legacy lenses they might have an attractive camera.
The incremental improvement game is good for the camera company, it keeps
the cash flow going, unfortunately this not the best situation for the
consumer.

Jonathan Ayers

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Subject: Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

My guess is that it will be around 36MP, and will have better per pixel
performance than the K-5.  I expect that it will have all of the cool new
features that are on the K-3, K-S1 (except for gratuitous blinkenlights)
etc.
Other than the improved sensor, I don't expect a lot of additional features
that aren't already on other Pentax cameras.
I do hope that they take advantage of the greater real estate and pack in a
lot more focus (and metering?) points.
I predict that up until it ships there will be a wailing and moaning and
gnashing of teeth over all of the pet features that it doesn't have.
It will slightly outperform other DSLRs with comparable sensors, and
likewise the body will be a bit smaller, and the shutter quieter, but
probably not quite as quiet as the K-5 (bigger mirror and all).
It will come in black and silver, and will be priced comparably with the
Nikon D750 rather than the D810.
Autofocus performance will be improved over the K-3, but still not as good
as the best in other brands.
I think that the halo effect of having a 24x36 upgrade path will encourage
more people to take Pentax seriously, it will start gaining in market share,
and we'll get a nice positive feedback loop as more people buy them, even
more people will know that Pentax still exists.  

Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize that the
glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on it, Pentax
will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by using retro
gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by the vintage
rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with modern lenses.


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Larry Colen
Oops, I forgot to mention.  I think that a lot of people who have been
waiting for the 24x36 sensor to use their old glass will find when they 
start pixel peeping that the new lenses handily outperform the old lenses.
I think that the people who just look at the final image, however, will
be ecstatic because the body will deliver the best images possible from 
the vintage glass, and many of the inherent flaws of the glass will be 
correctable in post processing.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread J C OConnell

Ive got a K50/1.2 I can slap on there
jco
On 2/5/2015 11:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I'll just wait and see... However I doubt that this will have any 
practical interest for me anyway...


My K-5 and Sigma 17-70 are more than enough. As well, Ricoh GXR-M and 
Nokton 40/1.4 is a tough combo to beat in terms of portability without 
giving up any image quality.


Oh, here is my take on the thread subject. This new camera will be 
big, heavy, and expensive so that I'll probably won't buy it.


By the way, where is standard fast zoom for it?

Back to lurking...
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On February 6, 2015 2:55:41 AM Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:


Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/ 



dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914 



Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if
it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Rob Studdert
Greater DR than the K5 I would be very pleased with. Larry the imaging
sensor is divorced from the AF and metering sensors in a tradition
DSLR,

On 7 February 2015 at 08:07, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 On 2/6/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize that
 the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on it,
 Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by
 using
 retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by the
 vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with modern
 lenses.



 You think there are any of those hipsters left who haven't already bought
 the Nikon Df?

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Larry Colen
Yes, they divorced but bigger sensor means a bigger light box, focusing screen 
etc. More spatial resolution work with.

On February 6, 2015 2:12:04 PM PST, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com 
wrote:
Greater DR than the K5 I would be very pleased with. Larry the imaging
sensor is divorced from the AF and metering sensors in a tradition
DSLR,

On 7 February 2015 at 08:07, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 On 2/6/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize
that
 the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work
on it,
 Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool
by
 using
 retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by
the
 vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with
modern
 lenses.



 You think there are any of those hipsters left who haven't already
bought
 the Nikon Df?

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Larry Colen


On February 6, 2015 1:07:28 PM PST, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 2/6/2015 2:52 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Stretch prediction:  Once people start noticing Pentax, and realize
that
 the glass from all the old K1000s sitting in people's closets work on
it,
 Pentax will become the darling of the hipsters who want to be cool by
using
 retro gear but are tired of paying for film.  They'll justify it by
the
 vintage rendering of the old glass which you just can't get with
modern lenses.



You think there are any of those hipsters left who haven't already 
bought the Nikon Df?

Are there any that could afford a Nikon df? I thought they all had menial low 
paying jobs, at least the ones that are employed.


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Darren Addy
and a lot of the people will find out that FF puts less demand on the optical 
quality
of the lenses compared to aps for the same results, therefore better results 
for
lenses of same quality.

This is the opposite of what I have seen and read. The APS-C takes
only the central portion of the optical circle of 35mm glass. It is
normally in the corners where things begin to deteriorate - corners
you never even record on an APS-C sensor. I believe that this is why
Pentax chose to simultaneously release some great new full frame zoom
glass. A full frame sensor will expose lens deficiencies (pardon the
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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread J C OConnell
I have no problem shooting with the k50/1.2,  I dont use f1.2, I stop 
down a little.  Plus, I changed to a split image RF focus screen that 
work excellent for MF lenses.

On 2/6/2015 2:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Right. I've got Pentax-K-to-Leica-M adapter of highest quality and A 
50/1.2 that I occasionally use this way. However, I don't expect new 
camera to be very good at precision manual focusing for 50/1.2 lenses. 
Pentax will want you to buy new glass...


Boris

On 2/6/2015 20:53, J C OConnell wrote:

Ive got a K50/1.2 I can slap on there
jco
On 2/5/2015 11:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I'll just wait and see... However I doubt that this will have any 
practical interest for me anyway...


My K-5 and Sigma 17-70 are more than enough. As well, Ricoh GXR-M 
and Nokton 40/1.4 is a tough combo to beat in terms of portability 
without giving up any image quality.


Oh, here is my take on the thread subject. This new camera will be 
big, heavy, and expensive so that I'll probably won't buy it.


By the way, where is standard fast zoom for it?

Back to lurking...
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On February 6, 2015 2:55:41 AM Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/ 



dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914 



Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if
it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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RE: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Malcolm Smith
Brian Walters wrote:
 Quoting Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com:
 
  I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new
  Canon EOS 5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.
 
  At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as
 well.
 
  The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with
  the file sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and
 storage
  means a real think about computer hardware as well.
 
 
 
 Of course, you don't actually have to buy one  :-)
 
 I'm perfectly happy with the 16MP produced from my K-5 and Oly E-M10.
 That's not to say I might not be tempted in a couple of years when the
 next generation arrives (but then there's that E-M5 II...)

No, and at £2999  £3199, that won't happen anyway!

I've seen some wonderful detailed enlargements taken from an *ist D and was
about 6MP wasn't it? I can appreciate that professional want detail for some
images, but how much MP is enough? I'm stunned at what the K3 produces.

Anyway, my FF desire might be satisfied this weekend. I have the offer of a
Nikon D700 which has hardly seen any use (used for a day out and then
realised he was - and I quote - 'seriously overcamered' and not used much
after that experience), and the D700 I have always liked. I've been offered
it at the p/ex price he was given for a camera he does like and has used
before.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Bruce Walker
More DR would be sweet. This is what I'm already hearing complaints
about in the Canon camp over the new 5Ds beasties: no apparent DR
improvement over the 5D Mk III despite near medium format performance
otherwise.


On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 The D810 has a pretty nice sensor, if Pentax do as they often do and
 can wring a bit more out of it than the other makers it should be a
 nice camera, sensitivity, noise and DR wise.



 On 6 February 2015 at 23:21, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 On 2/6/2015 4:02 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

 Brian Walters wrote:

 Quoting Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com:

 I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new
 Canon EOS 5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

 At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as

 well.


 The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with
 the file sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and

 storage

 means a real think about computer hardware as well.



 Of course, you don't actually have to buy one  :-)

 I'm perfectly happy with the 16MP produced from my K-5 and Oly E-M10.
 That's not to say I might not be tempted in a couple of years when the
 next generation arrives (but then there's that E-M5 II...)


 No, and at £2999  £3199, that won't happen anyway!

 I've seen some wonderful detailed enlargements taken from an *ist D and
 was
 about 6MP wasn't it? I can appreciate that professional want detail for
 some
 images, but how much MP is enough? I'm stunned at what the K3 produces.

 Anyway, my FF desire might be satisfied this weekend. I have the offer of
 a
 Nikon D700 which has hardly seen any use (used for a day out and then
 realised he was - and I quote - 'seriously overcamered' and not used much
 after that experience), and the D700 I have always liked. I've been
 offered
 it at the p/ex price he was given for a camera he does like and has used
 before.

 Malcolm



 The *ist-D used the same Sony sensor as the Nikon D100  had somewhat
 comparable specs.

 Speculation about the putative Full-Frame Pentax suggests it will be
 built around the same Sony sensor used for the Nikon D810 so that's a
 point of reference.


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Bill

On 06/02/2015 10:32 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

More DR would be sweet. This is what I'm already hearing complaints
about in the Canon camp over the new 5Ds beasties: no apparent DR
improvement over the 5D Mk III despite near medium format performance
otherwise.


Which proves that the more you give people, the less happy they are.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread John

On 2/6/2015 4:02 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com:


I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new
Canon EOS 5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as

well.


The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with
the file sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and

storage

means a real think about computer hardware as well.




Of course, you don't actually have to buy one  :-)

I'm perfectly happy with the 16MP produced from my K-5 and Oly E-M10.
That's not to say I might not be tempted in a couple of years when the
next generation arrives (but then there's that E-M5 II...)


No, and at £2999  £3199, that won't happen anyway!

I've seen some wonderful detailed enlargements taken from an *ist D and was
about 6MP wasn't it? I can appreciate that professional want detail for some
images, but how much MP is enough? I'm stunned at what the K3 produces.

Anyway, my FF desire might be satisfied this weekend. I have the offer of a
Nikon D700 which has hardly seen any use (used for a day out and then
realised he was - and I quote - 'seriously overcamered' and not used much
after that experience), and the D700 I have always liked. I've been offered
it at the p/ex price he was given for a camera he does like and has used
before.

Malcolm




The *ist-D used the same Sony sensor as the Nikon D100  had somewhat
comparable specs.

Speculation about the putative Full-Frame Pentax suggests it will be
built around the same Sony sensor used for the Nikon D810 so that's a
point of reference.


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Rob Studdert
The D810 has a pretty nice sensor, if Pentax do as they often do and
can wring a bit more out of it than the other makers it should be a
nice camera, sensitivity, noise and DR wise.



On 6 February 2015 at 23:21, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 On 2/6/2015 4:02 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

 Brian Walters wrote:

 Quoting Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com:

 I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new
 Canon EOS 5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

 At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as

 well.


 The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with
 the file sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and

 storage

 means a real think about computer hardware as well.



 Of course, you don't actually have to buy one  :-)

 I'm perfectly happy with the 16MP produced from my K-5 and Oly E-M10.
 That's not to say I might not be tempted in a couple of years when the
 next generation arrives (but then there's that E-M5 II...)


 No, and at £2999  £3199, that won't happen anyway!

 I've seen some wonderful detailed enlargements taken from an *ist D and
 was
 about 6MP wasn't it? I can appreciate that professional want detail for
 some
 images, but how much MP is enough? I'm stunned at what the K3 produces.

 Anyway, my FF desire might be satisfied this weekend. I have the offer of
 a
 Nikon D700 which has hardly seen any use (used for a day out and then
 realised he was - and I quote - 'seriously overcamered' and not used much
 after that experience), and the D700 I have always liked. I've been
 offered
 it at the p/ex price he was given for a camera he does like and has used
 before.

 Malcolm



 The *ist-D used the same Sony sensor as the Nikon D100  had somewhat
 comparable specs.

 Speculation about the putative Full-Frame Pentax suggests it will be
 built around the same Sony sensor used for the Nikon D810 so that's a
 point of reference.


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Darren Addy
I'm not an expert on Canon, but if they are going to 46MP it will be a
Sony sensor in the camera (not a Canon sensor). I think Canon has been
stuck realizing that they were at the end of the line as far as
competing successfully with their own sensors.

So it is probably where a Pentax FF will be going eventually. Both
Nikon and Canon are going to offering it sooner.
Whether it performs as well in the dynamic range/high ISO department
remains to be seen. I have difficulty seeing how it could.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:49 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Canon may think that they're challenging medium format, but not all pixels
 are created equal.


 On 2/6/2015 2:23 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

 Darren Addy wrote:


 Here is my guess:

 36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
 httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-
 sony-36mp-sensor/

 dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
 Pentax flagship K-3:
 http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-
 Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914

 Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

 Pentax FluCard compatibility

 Dual SD slots

 Similar AF system as the K-3

 I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if it
 is compatible with the O-GPS1.

 ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)

 I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new Canon
 EOS
 5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

 At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as well.

 The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with the
 file
 sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and storage means a real
 think about computer hardware as well.

 Malcolm




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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
People are never satisfied. 

G


 On Feb 6, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 More DR would be sweet. This is what I'm already hearing complaints
 about in the Canon camp over the new 5Ds beasties: no apparent DR
 improvement over the 5D Mk III despite near medium format performance
 otherwise.


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread P.J. Alling
Canon may think that they're challenging medium format, but not all 
pixels are created equal.


On 2/6/2015 2:23 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Darren Addy wrote:
  

Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-
sony-36mp-sensor/

dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-
Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914

Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if it
is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)

I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new Canon EOS
5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as well.

The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with the file
sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and storage means a real
think about computer hardware as well.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-06 Thread P.J. Alling
Canon makes their own sensors, and I have no doubt that they are capable 
of building a 46mp sensor, so I wouldn't bet the farm it isn't home 
grown, also just packing 46mp in 2/3 the real estate of the most common 
medium format sensor will lead to degraded performance.  Physics is a 
bitch and must be appeased.


On 2/6/2015 1:06 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I'm not an expert on Canon, but if they are going to 46MP it will be a
Sony sensor in the camera (not a Canon sensor). I think Canon has been
stuck realizing that they were at the end of the line as far as
competing successfully with their own sensors.

So it is probably where a Pentax FF will be going eventually. Both
Nikon and Canon are going to offering it sooner.
Whether it performs as well in the dynamic range/high ISO department
remains to be seen. I have difficulty seeing how it could.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:49 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

Canon may think that they're challenging medium format, but not all pixels
are created equal.


On 2/6/2015 2:23 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Darren Addy wrote:


Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-
sony-36mp-sensor/

dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-
Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914

Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if it
is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)

I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new Canon
EOS
5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as well.

The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with the
file
sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and storage means a real
think about computer hardware as well.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Bill

On 05/02/2015 7:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

I'm thinking it's gonna be black.



I'm thinking I'm going to own one.
Hopefully it won't be a wet turd with a lens mount.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Boris Liberman
I'll just wait and see... However I doubt that this will have any practical 
interest for me anyway...


My K-5 and Sigma 17-70 are more than enough. As well, Ricoh GXR-M and 
Nokton 40/1.4 is a tough combo to beat in terms of portability without 
giving up any image quality.


Oh, here is my take on the thread subject. This new camera will be big, 
heavy, and expensive so that I'll probably won't buy it.


By the way, where is standard fast zoom for it?

Back to lurking...
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On February 6, 2015 2:55:41 AM Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:


Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/

dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914

Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if
it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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RE: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Malcolm Smith
Darren Addy wrote:
 
 Here is my guess:
 
 36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
 httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-
 sony-36mp-sensor/
 
 dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
 Pentax flagship K-3:
 http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-
 Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914
 
 Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3
 
 Pentax FluCard compatibility
 
 Dual SD slots
 
 Similar AF system as the K-3
 
 I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if it
 is compatible with the O-GPS1.
 
 ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)

I've just had an e-mail in from a dealer telling me about the new Canon EOS
5DS  EOS 5DS R, which both feature 50.6 MP sensors.

At this rate, the DSLR will be taking on the medium format market as well.

The thought of buying a new body and lenses is bad enough, but with the file
sizes these cameras must provide, post processing and storage means a real
think about computer hardware as well. 

Malcolm


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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Dario Bonazza

Agree. Guessing other specs is useless game.

Dario

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On 05/02/2015 7:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

I'm thinking it's gonna be black.




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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Christine Nielsen
I'm thinking the long-suffering Pentaxians are going to exhaust themselves with 
all the flapping long before this camera ever gets here.  Pace yourselves, 
people.  Y'all are gonna be too pooped to pop. 

;)
-c

Ps: just black?  


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I'm thinking it's gonna be black.

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curious to see if it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

Since the 645Z is compatible with the O-GPS1 for geotagging, I would
expect the same to be true of the FF camera. As far as Astrotracer
functionality, I would hope and expect that as long as the camera has
shake reduction, the Astrotracer will work. I don't think we know that
for sure yet, but people have pointed out that the body appears to
have a placeholder for the SR logo, and the new telephoto lenses don't
have built-in stabilization, so I think it's likely that the body
still will.

(I guess it's possible that the FF could have translational but not
rotational SR, like e.g. the K10D. That wouldn't support Astrotracer.)

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Re: Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Mark Roberts
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Your guess on the Pentax Full Frame specs?

2015-02-05 Thread Darren Addy
Here is my guess:

36 MP Sony sensor, as found in the Sony A7r and Nikon D810
httDp://www.sonyalpharumors.com/competition-news-nikon-d810-features-sony-36mp-sensor/

dxomark comparison of those two camera's sensors with the existing
Pentax flagship K-3:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Pentax-K-3___963_917_914

Same lack of AA filter /SR AA simulation found in the K-3

Pentax FluCard compatibility

Dual SD slots

Similar AF system as the K-3

I'm curious to see the FPS and video capabilities. Curious to see if
it is compatible with the O-GPS1.

ISO range: (Extended: 80-51,200)


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