Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
> That rocks too. I have managed to get focused pictures with the 500 > in almost total darkness. Sounds great, I can't wait to try it. John -- Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:06:50 + (GMT) Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, John Whittingham wrote: > > > Thanks for the comment, I've just bought one and really like the zoom head, > > should work well with the 28-105 FAp and the MZ-3. I've yet to test the AF > > assist infrared thingie :) > > That rocks too. I have managed to get focused pictures with the 500 > in almost total darkness. > > Don't forget to bounce the flash. I also invested in a diffuser (a > tenner?) and it's not left the head of the 500. > > Kostas --- End of Original Message ---
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, John Whittingham wrote: > Thanks for the comment, I've just bought one and really like the zoom head, > should work well with the 28-105 FAp and the MZ-3. I've yet to test the AF > assist infrared thingie :) That rocks too. I have managed to get focused pictures with the 500 in almost total darkness. Don't forget to bounce the flash. I also invested in a diffuser (a tenner?) and it's not left the head of the 500. Kostas
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
Hi Kostas Thanks for the comment, I've just bought one and really like the zoom head, should work well with the 28-105 FAp and the MZ-3. I've yet to test the AF assist infrared thingie :) John -- Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:25:30 + (GMT) Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, John Whittingham wrote: > > > That all sounds very reassuring, I think I might just look into getting the > > AF400FTZ > > It is a very nice flash and can be bought for a song. There is also > an optional W/A adapter (24mm coverage on 35mm) for it, for which I have > no opinion. > > Kostas --- End of Original Message ---
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, John Whittingham wrote: > That all sounds very reassuring, I think I might just look into getting the > AF400FTZ It is a very nice flash and can be bought for a song. There is also an optional W/A adapter (24mm coverage on 35mm) for it, for which I have no opinion. Kostas
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
Thanks Giao That all sounds very reassuring, I think I might just look into getting the AF400FTZ John -- Original Message --- From: Gianfranco Irlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:34:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have > been > > > problems reported with the *ist-d. > > > > Hi Peter > > > > Ever tried the MZ-3 ZX-5n with the AF400FTZ, would you care to > comment on > > performance? > > John, > > According to my experience, the performance is almost perfect, > although I do prefer to use the 400FTZ on the Z-1p, for a matter > of balance and the easier flash compensation. I do prefer to > shot in manual mode and leave a -1 compensation when I use the > MZ-3 or MZ-5n. > To be honest, I've never experienced poor TTL flash behaviour > with any Pentax body/flash, except maybe the Z-50p and its built > in flash coupled with screwmount modified lenses (non Pentax > lenses, btw). Even the *istD works well, no matter the Iso > chosen. The only problems occur when I forget to modify a wrong > setting (i.e., when I, while shooting at say 6m, decide to shot > something at less than 1m with the lens still wide open...) > Everything works fine as long asyou stay within the range of the > setup. > I do prefer the Pentax TTL flash to the Nikon system (which I > used a lot) for almost every situation. > > Ciao, > > Gianfranco > > = > _ > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com --- End of Original Message ---
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. > >> >> It is totally useless in this regard. > > Out of curiosity, even with the P-TTL (preflash) ? > > I found that preflash TTL does decent results with digital, and I saw > some nice ones from Gianfranco's new 360FGZ (just few frames when you > bought the flash here, how is it working for you, Gianfranco?) Hi Frantisek, I'm not experiencing any problem with the FGZ, either in normal or in wireless mode. I can say that I'm quite happy with the combo, and really don't understand how comes that so many people here have problems. Well, sometimes I had overexposure with the AF400FTZ in some situation, but I shoot an entire wedding with it and it was enough to put a -1,5 compensation for all the shots... I can post you few recent pictures taken with the 360FGZ, so you can see by yourself the performance. > Only gripe I have with pre-flash is that (especially if using a > wireless i-TTL or perhaps also the P-TTL wirelessly) there is a not > insignificant lag needed for the flashes to communicate. It can be a > nuisance if shooting fast people or something. Yup, I too find that annoying. I prefer the normal TTL to avoid the too often closed eyes of the subjects... Ciao, Gianfranco = _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been > > problems reported with the *ist-d. > > Hi Peter > > Ever tried the MZ-3 ZX-5n with the AF400FTZ, would you care to comment on > performance? John, According to my experience, the performance is almost perfect, although I do prefer to use the 400FTZ on the Z-1p, for a matter of balance and the easier flash compensation. I do prefer to shot in manual mode and leave a -1 compensation when I use the MZ-3 or MZ-5n. To be honest, I've never experienced poor TTL flash behaviour with any Pentax body/flash, except maybe the Z-50p and its built in flash coupled with screwmount modified lenses (non Pentax lenses, btw). Even the *istD works well, no matter the Iso chosen. The only problems occur when I forget to modify a wrong setting (i.e., when I, while shooting at say 6m, decide to shot something at less than 1m with the lens still wide open...) Everything works fine as long asyou stay within the range of the setup. I do prefer the Pentax TTL flash to the Nikon system (which I used a lot) for almost every situation. Ciao, Gianfranco = _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
- Original Message - From: "David Zaninovic" Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? I am sorry if you understood it like that, it was not my intention. I was asking about TTL flash as I never used it and was hoping that it would work correctly on *ist D/DS. Theoretically it should be better so it is very strange to me that it is not. Auto flash works great for me but in some situations it can make a mistake as it does not know all the facts that TTL flash would know. Sorry, I must have just gotten off the pot with JCO when I wrote that. The theory behind TTL flash control is very sound, but the implementation of the technology seems weak. I have heard of TTL flash problems from everyone I know who uses a DSLR, no matter what brand. I don't know enough about the technology to comment further. William Robb
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
- Original Message - From: "Frantisek" Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? >> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. >> It is totally useless in this regard. Out of curiosity, even with the P-TTL (preflash) ? I'm not that technologically advanced. I am still using an analogue flash. OTOH, I haven't heard anyone giving the istD stellar marks for TTL flash performance, no matter what communication platform they are running. William Robb
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
Thanks Peter, I've been using my AF280T since I got the MZ-3 but thought I might try the AF400FTZ, I located one at a bargain price, the AF500FTZ holds it's price very well and I couldn't imagine it being worth the use I give my flashes. John -- Original Message --- From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:03:47 -0500 Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > Actually no, I use old AF280T flashes. Since the MZ-3 and ZX5n > don't seem to be capable of higher than sync (125/100 respectively), > speed flash I didn't see any point in upgrading to the AF400FTZ. > The results with the AF280T are very good as long as I keep within > limitations imposed by the flashes output. > > John Whittingham wrote: > > >>It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been > >>problems reported with the *ist-d. > >> > >> > > > >Hi Peter > > > >Ever tried the MZ-3 ZX-5n with the AF400FTZ, would you care to comment on > >performance? > > > >John > > > > > >-- Original Message ------- > >From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:54:24 -0500 > >Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > > > > > > > >>It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been > >>problems reported with the *ist-d. > >> > >>David Zaninovic wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>>I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. > >>>>It is totally useless in this regard. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. > >>During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings > >>and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during > >>peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke > >> > >> > >--- End of Original Message --- > > > > > > > > > > -- > I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. > During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings > and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during > peacetime.--P.J. O'Rourke --- End of Original Message ---
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
Actually no, I use old AF280T flashes. Since the MZ-3 and ZX5n don't seem to be capable of higher than sync (125/100 respectively), speed flash I didn't see any point in upgrading to the AF400FTZ. The results with the AF280T are very good as long as I keep within limitations imposed by the flashes output. John Whittingham wrote: It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been problems reported with the *ist-d. Hi Peter Ever tried the MZ-3 ZX-5n with the AF400FTZ, would you care to comment on performance? John -- Original Message --- From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:54:24 -0500 Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been problems reported with the *ist-d. David Zaninovic wrote: I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. It is totally useless in this regard. Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke --- End of Original Message --- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
>> >> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. >> >> It is totally useless in this regard. Out of curiosity, even with the P-TTL (preflash) ? I found that preflash TTL does decent results with digital, and I saw some nice ones from Gianfranco's new 360FGZ (just few frames when you bought the flash here, how is it working for you, Gianfranco?) Only gripe I have with pre-flash is that (especially if using a wireless i-TTL or perhaps also the P-TTL wirelessly) there is a not insignificant lag needed for the flashes to communicate. It can be a nuisance if shooting fast people or something. Good light! fra
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
I am sorry if you understood it like that, it was not my intention. I was asking about TTL flash as I never used it and was hoping that it would work correctly on *ist D/DS. Theoretically it should be better so it is very strange to me that it is not. Auto flash works great for me but in some situations it can make a mistake as it does not know all the facts that TTL flash would know. - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:20 PM Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > > - Original Message - > From: "David Zaninovic" > Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > > > >> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. > >> It is totally useless in this regard. > > > > Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? > > > > I'm not going to get into another theoretical pissing contest. > > William Robb >
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
> It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been > problems reported with the *ist-d. Hi Peter Ever tried the MZ-3 ZX-5n with the AF400FTZ, would you care to comment on performance? John -- Original Message --- From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:54:24 -0500 Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been > problems reported with the *ist-d. > > David Zaninovic wrote: > > >>I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. > >>It is totally useless in this regard. > >> > >> > > > >Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? > > > > > > > > > > -- > I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. > During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings > and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during > peacetime.--P.J. O'Rourke --- End of Original Message ---
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
My guess is that the programming for the TTL flash was lifted directly from the ZX series of cameras, and doesn't take into account the difference in reflectance of the digital sensor (and it's smaller size), compared to film. It should by all rights be more consistent, since the reflectance never changes, but apparently is not. David Zaninovic wrote: I understand it like this: An auto flash will have its own built-in quench circuit. As long as you follow the ISO/aperture/distance guide, you're okay. TTL relies on the camera to quench the flash, and if the camera can't get it right, then... ... the camera is defective and needs servicing ? If auto flash is able to get correct exposure why wouldn't the camera be able to do the same thing. TTL flash should work better than auto flash not worse. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
It is in the LX, MZ-3 ZX5n in my experience. There have been problems reported with the *ist-d. David Zaninovic wrote: I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. It is totally useless in this regard. Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
- Original Message - From: "John Francis" Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? I'm not going to get into another theoretical pissing contest. Good idea! This is not to imply not ever again. Just to be clear. William Robb
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
William Robb mused: > > > - Original Message - > From: "David Zaninovic" > Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? > > > >> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. > >> It is totally useless in this regard. > > > > Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? > > > > I'm not going to get into another theoretical pissing contest. > > William Robb Good idea! While not without problems, though, I don't think the TTL flash ability of the *ist-D is as bad as some folks make out. I was able to use it for external night action photography (at the ALMS race at Laguna Seca) and for interior fill flash photography (at a social event at the Computer History Museum, and at a private concert) without too many problems. I particularly liked the ability to use a custom white balance setting to correct for the bounce flash colour I got at the latter event.
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
- Original Message - From: "David Zaninovic" Subject: Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. It is totally useless in this regard. Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? I'm not going to get into another theoretical pissing contest. William Robb
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
> I understand it like this: An auto flash will have its own built-in quench > circuit. As long as you follow the ISO/aperture/distance guide, you're okay. > > TTL relies on the camera to quench the flash, and if the camera can't get it > right, then... ... the camera is defective and needs servicing ? If auto flash is able to get correct exposure why wouldn't the camera be able to do the same thing. TTL flash should work better than auto flash not worse.
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
I understand it like this: An auto flash will have its own built-in quench circuit. As long as you follow the ISO/aperture/distance guide, you're okay. TTL relies on the camera to quench the flash, and if the camera can't get it right, then... t On 11/8/04 14:06, David Zaninovic wrote: >> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. >> It is totally useless in this regard. > > Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ? > > >
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
> I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. > It is totally useless in this regard. Shouldn't the TTL flash be more precise than auto flash ?
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
- Original Message - From: "Amita Guha" Subject: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash? I'm bringing a couple of film bodies with me this week, and I was wondering if I would save myself some headaches by using the ZX-50 with my flash instead of the *istD. I'll use the ZX-50 at the wedding if it makes my life easier. I have a bunch of film that I should probably use up anyway. I don't know how well the ZX-50 (I don't even know what a ZX-50 is) does with TTL flash, but I am pretty sure it can't be worse than the istD. I have given up on using the istD with TTL flash. It is totally useless in this regard. William Robb
Re: how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Amita Guha wrote: > I'm bringing a couple of film bodies with me this week, and I was wondering > if I would save myself some headaches by using the ZX-50 with my flash > instead of the *istD. I'll use the ZX-50 at the wedding if it makes my life > easier. I have a bunch of film that I should probably use up anyway. It depends on the flash you are using and also perhaps on the film you are using (because its reflectivity can fool the meter). I did not have problems when bouncing either the Cobra I am selling or the AF500FTZ. The latter flash is an outright pig to control when shooting close, but then I bought a diffuser which made a difference (and also never forget to bounce). I mainly use Superia 400 (rated at 320). I would shoot a test-roll if I were you. BTW, I think the MZ-50 is more consistent than the -5n in non-flash mode (different meter that one, just thought to mention). Let us know how you got on, Kostas
how does the ZX-50 do with ttl flash?
I'm bringing a couple of film bodies with me this week, and I was wondering if I would save myself some headaches by using the ZX-50 with my flash instead of the *istD. I'll use the ZX-50 at the wedding if it makes my life easier. I have a bunch of film that I should probably use up anyway. Thanks, Amita
