[Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Both. Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:27:35 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
The same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which at the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare time scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours on the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. And then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because you just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder than doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no one in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and demand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from their dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their Japanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Very true. There is a shop in town that has something like 6 or 7 of them at an average $50 each, and they offered me a ten percent discount, and I am still having trouble parting with the money cuz they don't have that kind of value any more. I remember when I could have bought them at that price and sold for at least twice the money. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:56 AM The same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which at the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare time scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours on the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. And then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because you just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder than doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no one in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and demand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from their dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their Japanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
I often think that when something common goes high on ebay it is because someone the seller knows is shilling it. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:59 AM It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Harvey, How did you find the rigid arm Victor? I searched under everything I could think of and it didn't come up... maybe that's why it's so cheap. Here is another unusual machine that you don't see for sale very often: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Vassos-RCA-Victor-Special-PHONOGRAPH-model-L-/110602410689?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c06adac1 The real problem with judging prices on eBay, is that it is not an auction. There is absolutely no point in placing a bid early in the listing, because you are not competing with other bidders like in a real auction. The only thing that counts, is what you throw in during the last 5 seconds of the listing and if you throw enough, you win. Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:59:21 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Of course it could be shilling sometimes, but then I've been thrilled to see how high some of the common things I've sold on ebay have gone, and I KNOW there was no shilling. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder I often think that when something common goes high on ebay it is because someone the seller knows is shilling it. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:59 AM It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Agreed, I out a Vaughn DeLeath cylinder on there recently, number 5666, admittedly a high number, recorded in 1929. I ALMOST put a buy it now price of $100, but I didn't. Good thing, because it went for $500!!! --- On Mon, 1/17/11, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote: From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 12:37 PM Of course it could be shilling sometimes, but then I've been thrilled to see how high some of the common things I've sold on ebay have gone, and I KNOW there was no shilling. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder I often think that when something common goes high on ebay it is because someone the seller knows is shilling it. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:59 AM It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
I was looking under Victor phonograph and the caption says the first Victor the Second. i'll ook for it because it's in my watch section and I will post the ebay number. Harvey Kravitz From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 12:16:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Harvey, How did you find the rigid arm Victor? I searched under everything I could think of and it didn't come up... maybe that's why it's so cheap. Here is another unusual machine that you don't see for sale very often: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Vassos-RCA-Victor-Special-PHONOGRAPH-model-L-/110602410689?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c06adac1 The real problem with judging prices on eBay, is that it is not an auction. There is absolutely no point in placing a bid early in the listing, because you are not competing with other bidders like in a real auction. The only thing that counts, is what you throw in during the last 5 seconds of the listing and if you throw enough, you win. Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:59:21 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
The ebay number is 190489401852. Harvey Kravitz From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 12:16:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Harvey, How did you find the rigid arm Victor? I searched under everything I could think of and it didn't come up... maybe that's why it's so cheap. Here is another unusual machine that you don't see for sale very often: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Vassos-RCA-Victor-Special-PHONOGRAPH-model-L-/110602410689?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c06adac1 The real problem with judging prices on eBay, is that it is not an auction. There is absolutely no point in placing a bid early in the listing, because you are not competing with other bidders like in a real auction. The only thing that counts, is what you throw in during the last 5 seconds of the listing and if you throw enough, you win. Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:59:21 -0800 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It cracks me up what items sell on ebay. Several years ago, I bought an incomplete Berliner on ebay for $750.00. I was missing the horn, elbow and some screws. I have since completed the machine. At the same time, a VV IX went for $1500.00!! Just recently, a Standard model F went for $6100.00!! Now there is a rigid arm Victor E going for $950.00 with a few hours to go. It could go up in the last few minutes of the auction. Those are my observations of ebay. Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Yeah, I think you're right. I've seen good things go on ebay for nothing and crappy stuff go high. I have a 5400 series BA that I tried to sell and couldn't get more than $20 after listing it twice, (it was a Hawaiian number) so I kept it. I just relisted it yesterday and its up to $42 already. So, as you say, go figure. --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 11:40 AM I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
hi all tell me about it i have three copies of warsaw concerto lol its still all good In a message dated 1/17/2011 2:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: The same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which at the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare time scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours on the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. And then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because you just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder than doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no one in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and demand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from their dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their Japanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
Let's face it folks us collectors were taken advantage of for decades...yes decades for both vogue picture records and your most common phonographs. Dealers knew these records were not rare and the same goes for your common Edison, columbia and victor horned machines but collectors agreed to pay outrageous prices on this merchandise. Actually ebay, and also the economy, has worked in favor of the collector in that both have taken the wind out of the sales (or sails) of the dealers whom I would say for a good 30 plus years contolled the prices of the phonograph market. Prices are now at more realistic levels than ever before and I do hope they stay realistic for years to come. -Original Message- From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder hi all ell me about it have three copies of warsaw concerto ol ts still all good n a message dated 1/17/2011 2:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inyl.visi...@live.com writes: he same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which t the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare ime scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours n the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. nd then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because ou just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder han doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no ne in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and emand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from heir dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their apanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net rote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my heodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around 100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or hat? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think 'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
It's good if you are a buyer now, sure, but if you are a seller with a machine you bought five or ten years ago, it is hard to get your money back. I bought a nice Victor VI about 10 years ago for $5600, and I couldn't get near that now. I saw them at the CAPS show priced at $4500 and not selling. John R - On Mon, 1/17/11, phonofo...@aol.com phonofo...@aol.com wrote: From: phonofo...@aol.com phonofo...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 5:17 PM Let's face it folks us collectors were taken advantage of for decades...yes decades for both vogue picture records and your most common phonographs. Dealers knew these records were not rare and the same goes for your common Edison, columbia and victor horned machines but collectors agreed to pay outrageous prices on this merchandise. Actually ebay, and also the economy, has worked in favor of the collector in that both have taken the wind out of the sales (or sails) of the dealers whom I would say for a good 30 plus years contolled the prices of the phonograph market. Prices are now at more realistic levels than ever before and I do hope they stay realistic for years to come. -Original Message- From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder hi all ell me about it have three copies of warsaw concerto ol ts still all good n a message dated 1/17/2011 2:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inyl.visi...@live.com writes: he same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which t the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare ime scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours n the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. nd then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because ou just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder han doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no ne in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and emand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from heir dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their apanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much disposable income out there. On the other hand if I decide to collect something different it is always at the top of the market, regardless of the economy..[?] Mike oldcranky On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net rote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my heodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around 100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or hat? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think 'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
