Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
Not sure my original email was received, but wanted to update all regarding the Lithuanian fraudulent seller. Paypal returned my money, and the Lithuanian con man came up empty with the radar from paypal and ebay on the lookout for him. One of the helpful contributing factors was the help I received from this phono email connection. I mentioned to paypal that I was in contact with other collectors on this email site that they were aware of a Lithuanian conman with the same MO on eaby. Because I had alerted them on the day I purchased the item, they withheld the funds until verified. He has no money and we have his number! Thanks again to everyone, this connection has been of great service and a support for an emotional roller coaster ride. Randy Larson On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote: USPS money orders are the ONLY type of money order I accept, and I take them immediately to the post office where they will verify them and cash them. Once I have the cash, I'll ship the item. Does anyone know if all Wells Fargo banks can immediately verify if a Wells Fargo money order is good and then cash it for you free of charge? Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller If you request a USPS money order you can go to the post office and actually check that the MO is valid and not a phony. Othe MOs may or may not be capable of being verified. On 05/01/2012 08:50 AM, john robles wrote: Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visions@live.**com vinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
hi bill on mine for ebay they did not stand behind it i believe it was a 1922 plain it was my word against his and ebay did not care in this case zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Well maybe on eBay there is a guarantee but not from a guy with a velvet-covered tray on a pickup truck tailgate in a parking lot in New Hampshire. Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hi bill et all i had the same on ebay but it was the penny that was plain you have caveat emptor on ebay too zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
If you request a USPS money order you can go to the post office and actually check that the MO is valid and not a phony. Othe MOs may or may not be capable of being verified. On 05/01/2012 08:50 AM, john robles wrote: Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
I lost out on $500 'cause I didn't cash a phony $2800 M.O. He was going to let me keep that (in addition to the $300 for the item) after I mailed the extra $2000 to his son. It was well done - the M.O. was drawn on a national bank. But having STEPPED off the turnip truck I Googled the bank - they had branch only two blocks away from the one the M.O. was from - Why so close? I asked myself. So I called their 1-800 #. I gave them the account number - I didn't even finish before they told me it was a phony. The interesting part was they didn't want a copy or have anything to do with it - great attitude! Google's great - I also Googled the phone number of the bank on the phony M.O. - it came up associated with three other numbers. I called all four. They were businesses who had no knowledge of the individual but had similar inquiries - they assumed the phone company had listed the number wrong. And all you have to do is let the buyer know you'll hold the stuff for a week or two for the MO to clear. They'll either agree or go away. best, Darrell == Rich wrote: If you request a USPS money order you can go to the post office and actually check that the MO is valid and not a phony. Othe MOs may or may not be capable of being verified. On 05/01/2012 08:50 AM, john robles wrote: Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Actually, I guess I don't think like the scammers, which may be naive... I never thought of the idea of sending a fraudulent money order and I assumed that the seller would wait until it cleared before sending the item. As for sending cash - I have mailed cash payments to Germany, Australia, England and Uruguay without any problems, and yes, they could have refused to send the item. I have only done this with people who had 100% feedback on a number of transactions and I have read their feedback... Apparently, I have dealt with some honest collector/sellers. Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 06:50:14 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Over the past 10-12 years I've mailed over 7000 packages - two have gotten lost. And until the past 2-3 years almost all were paid for by check. Only two bounced and both made them good immediately. Which tells me record/phono collectors are an honest, trustworthy lot - and the USPS don't do so bad either! Vinyl Visions wrote: Actually, I guess I don't think like the scammers, which may be naive... I never thought of the idea of sending a fraudulent money order and I assumed that the seller would wait until it cleared before sending the item. As for sending cash - I have mailed cash payments to Germany, Australia, England and Uruguay without any problems, and yes, they could have refused to send the item. I have only done this with people who had 100% feedback on a number of transactions and I have read their feedback... Apparently, I have dealt with some honest collector/sellers. Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 06:50:14 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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While making a mistake like that may be somewhat embarrassing, it is courageous of you to tell us about it with the hope of helping someone else to avoid it. Thank you very much. John Robles From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
There are a series of threads regarding this Lithuanian seller on one of the forums. He has sold the same phonographs several times. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8518 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8367 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=7604 On MondayApril 30, 2012, at April30201210:24 AM, john robles wrote: While making a mistake like that may be somewhat embarrassing, it is courageous of you to tell us about it with the hope of helping someone else to avoid it. Thank you very much. John Robles From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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hi bill et all i had the same on ebay but it was the penny that was plain you have caveat emptor on ebay too zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
Well maybe on eBay there is a guarantee but not from a guy with a velvet-covered tray on a pickup truck tailgate in a parking lot in New Hampshire. Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hi bill et all i had the same on ebay but it was the penny that was plain you have caveat emptor on ebay too zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
Never buy anything from a zero feedback seller from anywhere... especially Eastern Europe. I got scammed on repro high end needle tins, so watch out. From: phonol...@mac.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:19:36 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller There are a series of threads regarding this Lithuanian seller on one of the forums. He has sold the same phonographs several times. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8518 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8367 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=7604 On MondayApril 30, 2012, at April30201210:24 AM, john robles wrote: While making a mistake like that may be somewhat embarrassing, it is courageous of you to tell us about it with the hope of helping someone else to avoid it. Thank you very much. John Robles From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
