Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
Hi Steve, Here is the scan of the other side of the box. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box-2.jpg From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:17:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I would appreciate the scan, no hurry. Your photo was very nice, much nicer than the other one I have. I enjoy photos of things I will likely never see in person. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:00:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I can scan the other side with the old couple on it. At the moment, I am re-inforcing the seams from the inside. A couple of the flaps were off and in the bottom of the box, so I decided to re-attach them by gluing strips from an old record sleeve to the inside for hinges. The date on the box is 1905. I'll try to scan it as soon as the glue dries... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:52:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Back when I used to look at all the Edison cylinder records on eBay I saw about 6 of them for sale on eBay over the years. I saved a photo of the 3 pack, it has the old couple listening on the other side. The old couple has a copyright of 190 and I cannot see the last number. It looks like the box itself has drawings of the cylinder record boxes with the cardboard peg inside that date from around then end of 1902 to 1904. Do you have a photo of the other side? I always thought they were the inside box for mailing cylinders. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:39:59 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
How can you argue with such eloquence? :) -Original Message- From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I shall take my hat off to the other George and say I've not seen one with a Concert machine printed on the side, but then again, he's much older than I and has been collecting for far longer. I also agree with George on the use of the words common and rare. The way it's used is important.for instance if I say George is very common or It's rare for George to pay full price the use is different than saying something like George is an un-common gentleman or One rarely meets someone like George. It's all down to how you say it. - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? These boxes indeed turn up now and then. I have the 3, 6, and 12-record varieties myself, and I've seen other examples in various collections. A dealer had a 3-record version for sale at Union last month. The boxes are printed, The Pardell Folding Box, and were evidently offered to dealers for use as promotions. One of my boxes has a dealer's ink stamp on it. I've always been surprised that these Pardell boxes were never mentioned in the Edison Phonograph Monthly, as they were offered for a number of years. I've seen examples with illustrations of Edison 4-minute wax records on some of these, although I don't own that one. My 6-record box (labeled as Half-Dozen) specifies Moulded Records and illustrates the drawer-type Concert despite being meant for standard-size cylinders. From these observations, I'm inferring that the Pardell boxes were available for at least 7 years. Common and rare are relative and subjective terms, but the Pardell boxes certainly aren't rare! George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Common seems a little off. I've never seen or heard of such boxes that I recall, and I've been to every Union show (but one) since 1976. Jim On Jul 9, 2011, at 7:00 PM, George Glastris wrote: They're fairly common. I have a couple of three cylinder size and a twelve cylinder. I also have a six cylinder size for wax Amberols which illustrates an Idelia instead of the old couple. I seem to remember someone selling them on eBay regularly. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
They're fairly common. I have a couple of three cylinder size and a twelve cylinder. I also have a six cylinder size for wax Amberols which illustrates an Idelia instead of the old couple. I seem to remember someone selling them on eBay regularly. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
That's what I have been thinking, since Charles McCarn who has an enormous collection and has been collecting for 40 or 50 years has never come across one... besides, what can the survival rate of a disposable cardboard box actually be? From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:14:27 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Common seems a little off. I've never seen or heard of such boxes that I recall, and I've been to every Union show (but one) since 1976. Jim On Jul 9, 2011, at 7:00 PM, George Glastris wrote: They're fairly common. I have a couple of three cylinder size and a twelve cylinder. I also have a six cylinder size for wax Amberols which illustrates an Idelia instead of the old couple. I seem to remember someone selling them on eBay regularly. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
Back when I used to look at all the Edison cylinder records on eBay I saw about 6 of them for sale on eBay over the years. I saved a photo of the 3 pack, it has the old couple listening on the other side. The old couple has a copyright of 190 and I cannot see the last number. It looks like the box itself has drawings of the cylinder record boxes with the cardboard peg inside that date from around then end of 1902 to 1904. Do you have a photo of the other side? I always thought they were the inside box for mailing cylinders. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:39:59 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
since Charles McCarn who has an enormous collection and has been collecting for 40 or 50 years has never come across one... besides, what can the survival rate of a disposable cardboard box actually be? Perhaps Charles in his 40 or 50 years, has not had the opportunity or desire to check ebay. As George G. saidthey come up on ebay from time to time. A couple of years ago, someone on ebay was selling them, and they looked like NOS. He had a bunch of them. I got my six pack pre-ebay and paid a lot for it, because I, like you, had never seen one before. So the internet (ebay) is the great equalizer, and has made scarce things more common (again and again). An example of this in another collecting field are the original cardboard boxes for the Toonerville Trolley toy. These were from the 20's. Someone recently found dozens, NOS, in a warehouse, and now can be found in flea markets, shows, and yes, ebay. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
Ok, let me re-phrase that; they are not terribly rare. My 6-cylinder was from a fellow collector in the 1990s, my two 3-cylinders were from another collector but my Amberol box came from Union or one of the East Coast shows and wasn't at all expensive. I can't remember how much, but that fact that I don't remember means it was one of those yeah, I'll buy that purchases, not one of those oh god, it's pricey but my life won't be complete without it purchases. And yes, I should have said that the ones on eBay seemed like NOS as they were still flat and were up constantly. Best to all, GG - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? since Charles McCarn who has an enormous collection and has been collecting for 40 or 50 years has never come across one... besides, what can the survival rate of a disposable cardboard box actually be? Perhaps Charles in his 40 or 50 years, has not had the opportunity or desire to check ebay. As George G. saidthey come up on ebay from time to time. A couple of years ago, someone on ebay was selling them, and they looked like NOS. He had a bunch of them. I got my six pack pre-ebay and paid a lot for it, because I, like you, had never seen one before. So the internet (ebay) is the great equalizer, and has made scarce things more common (again and again). An example of this in another collecting field are the original cardboard boxes for the Toonerville Trolley toy. These were from the 20's. Someone recently found dozens, NOS, in a warehouse, and now can be found in flea markets, shows, and yes, ebay. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
I can scan the other side with the old couple on it. At the moment, I am re-inforcing the seams from the inside. A couple of the flaps were off and in the bottom of the box, so I decided to re-attach them by gluing strips from an old record sleeve to the inside for hinges. The date on the box is 1905. I'll try to scan it as soon as the glue dries... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:52:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Back when I used to look at all the Edison cylinder records on eBay I saw about 6 of them for sale on eBay over the years. I saved a photo of the 3 pack, it has the old couple listening on the other side. The old couple has a copyright of 190 and I cannot see the last number. It looks like the box itself has drawings of the cylinder record boxes with the cardboard peg inside that date from around then end of 1902 to 1904. Do you have a photo of the other side? I always thought they were the inside box for mailing cylinders. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:39:59 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
These boxes indeed turn up now and then. I have the 3, 6, and 12-record varieties myself, and I've seen other examples in various collections. A dealer had a 3-record version for sale at Union last month. The boxes are printed, The Pardell Folding Box, and were evidently offered to dealers for use as promotions. One of my boxes has a dealer's ink stamp on it. I've always been surprised that these Pardell boxes were never mentioned in the Edison Phonograph Monthly, as they were offered for a number of years. I've seen examples with illustrations of Edison 4-minute wax records on some of these, although I don't own that one. My 6-record box (labeled as Half-Dozen) specifies Moulded Records and illustrates the drawer-type Concert despite being meant for standard-size cylinders. From these observations, I'm inferring that the Pardell boxes were available for at least 7 years. Common and rare are relative and subjective terms, but the Pardell boxes certainly aren't rare! George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Common seems a little off. I've never seen or heard of such boxes that I recall, and I've been to every Union show (but one) since 1976. Jim On Jul 9, 2011, at 7:00 PM, George Glastris wrote: They're fairly common. I have a couple of three cylinder size and a twelve cylinder. I also have a six cylinder size for wax Amberols which illustrates an Idelia instead of the old couple. I seem to remember someone selling them on eBay regularly. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
Charles is definitely NOT an eBayer... if it doesn't crank and it isn't mechanical, he doesn't have any use for it. Surprisingly, he does use a cell phone. I watch eBay regularly, but not every day and not for every item, so I must have missed them. Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 17:29:01 -0700 From: back...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? since Charles McCarn who has an enormous collection and has been collecting for 40 or 50 years has never come across one... besides, what can the survival rate of a disposable cardboard box actually be? Perhaps Charles in his 40 or 50 years, has not had the opportunity or desire to check ebay. As George G. saidthey come up on ebay from time to time. A couple of years ago, someone on ebay was selling them, and they looked like NOS. He had a bunch of them. I got my six pack pre-ebay and paid a lot for it, because I, like you, had never seen one before. So the internet (ebay) is the great equalizer, and has made scarce things more common (again and again). An example of this in another collecting field are the original cardboard boxes for the Toonerville Trolley toy. These were from the 20's. Someone recently found dozens, NOS, in a warehouse, and now can be found in flea markets, shows, and yes, ebay. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
Jim, I would not call the cardboard boxes common they are harder to find than the Edison Standard Record boxes which I have seen about 50 of over the years. The boxes drawn on the cardboard box itself are common. Out of 2000 boxes 6 were the standard record boxes in one random lot. Steve From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:14:27 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Common seems a little off. I've never seen or heard of such boxes that I recall, and I've been to every Union show (but one) since 1976. Jim On Jul 9, 2011, at 7:00 PM, George Glastris wrote: They're fairly common. I have a couple of three cylinder size and a twelve cylinder. I also have a six cylinder size for wax Amberols which illustrates an Idelia instead of the old couple. I seem to remember someone selling them on eBay regularly. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
I would appreciate the scan, no hurry. Your photo was very nice, much nicer than the other one I have. I enjoy photos of things I will likely never see in person. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:00:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I can scan the other side with the old couple on it. At the moment, I am re-inforcing the seams from the inside. A couple of the flaps were off and in the bottom of the box, so I decided to re-attach them by gluing strips from an old record sleeve to the inside for hinges. The date on the box is 1905. I'll try to scan it as soon as the glue dries... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:52:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Back when I used to look at all the Edison cylinder records on eBay I saw about 6 of them for sale on eBay over the years. I saved a photo of the 3 pack, it has the old couple listening on the other side. The old couple has a copyright of 190 and I cannot see the last number. It looks like the box itself has drawings of the cylinder record boxes with the cardboard peg inside that date from around then end of 1902 to 1904. Do you have a photo of the other side? I always thought they were the inside box for mailing cylinders. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:39:59 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box???
I shall take my hat off to the other George and say I've not seen one with a Concert machine printed on the side, but then again, he's much older than I and has been collecting for far longer. I also agree with George on the use of the words common and rare. The way it's used is important.for instance if I say George is very common or It's rare for George to pay full price the use is different than saying something like George is an un-common gentleman or One rarely meets someone like George. It's all down to how you say it. - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? These boxes indeed turn up now and then. I have the 3, 6, and 12-record varieties myself, and I've seen other examples in various collections. A dealer had a 3-record version for sale at Union last month. The boxes are printed, The Pardell Folding Box, and were evidently offered to dealers for use as promotions. One of my boxes has a dealer's ink stamp on it. I've always been surprised that these Pardell boxes were never mentioned in the Edison Phonograph Monthly, as they were offered for a number of years. I've seen examples with illustrations of Edison 4-minute wax records on some of these, although I don't own that one. My 6-record box (labeled as Half-Dozen) specifies Moulded Records and illustrates the drawer-type Concert despite being meant for standard-size cylinders. From these observations, I'm inferring that the Pardell boxes were available for at least 7 years. Common and rare are relative and subjective terms, but the Pardell boxes certainly aren't rare! George P. -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? Common seems a little off. I've never seen or heard of such boxes that I recall, and I've been to every Union show (but one) since 1976. Jim On Jul 9, 2011, at 7:00 PM, George Glastris wrote: They're fairly common. I have a couple of three cylinder size and a twelve cylinder. I also have a six cylinder size for wax Amberols which illustrates an Idelia instead of the old couple. I seem to remember someone selling them on eBay regularly. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Retail Cylinder Box??? I'm sure someone on the list can identify this box. It appears to be a three pack from 1905. Questions: What was it used for? Was it a special deal to buy three cylinders? How common/uncommon is this box? Does anyone have one like it? What would be a relative value? Any other information? This came from the recent phonograph auction in Raleigh, NC and no collectors that I know have ever seen one... http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Edison_3_Box.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
