Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
See below. On 19 September 2012 04:45, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: Thanks I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction., or simplified To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere. Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an concrete idea) can do that better? You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:) Seems like an interesting point. But who says that good and evil are always cancelling each other out? To me good and evil depend on the point of view. So, what's good for A could be good for B too but bad for C, and therefore what's good for C is bad for both A and B? Not necessarily (following a implies b is not equivalent to b implies a). It gets complicated very quickly with more parties and we have more than 6 billion! One cannot really say that an action is good or bad for everyone following your argument. However, world peace, less pollution and equal or less diverse wealth would be good for everyone, because of less crime and less risk of loosing everything. Maybe it would trigger something bad at the other end of the universe, but the universe is pretty big (so I've heard :-), so what do we care? I vote for world peace in that sense. Strongly disagree with people saying Someone else would do it if I didn't.. That's just a lame excuse to get rich quick, like I heard from people who sell weapons. Selling ads is not nearly as bad. It's just annoying if they are too intrusive. Google's ads are not so intrusive and look what great things Google does with the money they make in terms of Open Source. I would say Google is the programmers' friend and if anything the lesser evil. Sure they have ads all over, but I haven't yet been annoyed by them as much as other popup ads. Besides that I wouldn't be where I am today without Google (I'm not employed by them in case you're wondering). Sorry to make this a serious discussion if you take it that way. :-) Just hope to get some neurons firing. Twitter: @geekdenz Website: http://www.thheuer.com - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM, German Geek geek...@gmail.com wrote: See below. On 19 September 2012 04:45, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: Thanks I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction., or simplified To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere. Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an concrete idea) can do that better? You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:) Seems like an interesting point. But who says that good and evil are always cancelling each other out? To me good and evil depend on the point of view. So, what's good for A could be good for B too but bad for C, and therefore what's good for C is bad for both A and B? Not necessarily (following a implies b is not equivalent to b implies a). It gets complicated very quickly with more parties and we have more than 6 billion! One cannot really say that an action is good or bad for everyone following your argument. However, world peace, less pollution and equal or less diverse wealth would be good for everyone, because of less crime and less risk of loosing everything. Maybe it would trigger something bad at the other end of the universe, but the universe is pretty big (so I've heard :-), so what do we care? I vote for world peace in that sense. Do I hear a vote for communism? That didn't really work out in the past, so why would it now? Strongly disagree with people saying Someone else would do it if I didn't.. That's just a lame excuse to get rich quick, like I heard from people who sell weapons. Selling ads is not nearly as bad. It's just annoying if they are too intrusive. Google's ads are not so intrusive and look what great things Google does with the money they make in terms of Open Source. I would say Google is the programmers' friend and if anything the lesser evil. Sure they have ads all over, but I haven't yet been annoyed by them as much as other popup ads. Besides that I wouldn't be where I am today without Google (I'm not employed by them in case you're wondering). I absolutely agree. Sorry to make this a serious discussion if you take it that way. :-) Just hope to get some neurons firing. Hmm.. Remember this is a PHP list, but since traffic is pretty low lately, it's ok I guess.. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On 12-09-19 06:07 AM, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM, German Geek geek...@gmail.com wrote: See below. On 19 September 2012 04:45, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: Thanks I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction., or simplified To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere. Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an concrete idea) can do that better? You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:) Seems like an interesting point. But who says that good and evil are always cancelling each other out? To me good and evil depend on the point of view. So, what's good for A could be good for B too but bad for C, and therefore what's good for C is bad for both A and B? Not necessarily (following a implies b is not equivalent to b implies a). It gets complicated very quickly with more parties and we have more than 6 billion! One cannot really say that an action is good or bad for everyone following your argument. However, world peace, less pollution and equal or less diverse wealth would be good for everyone, because of less crime and less risk of loosing everything. Maybe it would trigger something bad at the other end of the universe, but the universe is pretty big (so I've heard :-), so what do we care? I vote for world peace in that sense. Do I hear a vote for communism? That didn't really work out in the past, so why would it now? Not to say I'm all in for communism... but communism failed for the same reason capitalism is failing. Corruption! Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Not to say I'm all in for communism... but communism failed for the same reason capitalism is failing. Corruption! Here might be a way to deal with this political issue, while keeping on topic with the world peace PHP project: I've had this idea for years, but why not start a technocracy or ultra social-democracy that runs on a decentralized server, kind of like P2P (Kad, Bitcoins, etc.) -- only problem being the logic running the system (say, PHP scripts) would need to be programmed as a whole (so anyone could re-program the structure of such a social system, so it functioned the way everyone wanted). Think Wikipedia, but completely decentralized -- nobody could corrupt the system unless they were a majority. This seems to be the direction we're heading in -- what with hidden corruption, and most governments being slow processing laws, reforms, etc. May seem like a far-fetched idea, but I see it being one of the final things to come in a rapidly evolving technological society, replacing most republics with a social system more run by the people. Nobody would ever again complain about stuff not getting done, when mobs of people could actually change the system the way they wanted -- and quicker. Socialism/communism/Marxism in the past has never worked, because a minority-elite would eventually take over and convert it into a totalitarian state with only the mere façade of socialism we see in countries today (not exactly the idea Karl Marx had in mind). -- Doug Heimbecker d...@tac.us -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Doug Heimbecker d...@tac.us wrote: Not to say I'm all in for communism... but communism failed for the same reason capitalism is failing. Corruption! Here might be a way to deal with this political issue, while keeping on topic with the world peace PHP project: I've had this idea for years, but why not start a technocracy or ultra social-democracy that runs on a decentralized server, kind of like P2P (Kad, Bitcoins, etc.) -- only problem being the logic running the system (say, PHP scripts) would need to be programmed as a whole (so anyone could re-program the structure of such a social system, so it functioned the way everyone wanted). Think Wikipedia, but completely decentralized -- nobody could corrupt the system unless they were a majority. This seems to be the direction we're heading in -- what with hidden corruption, and most governments being slow processing laws, reforms, etc. unless they were a majority is the thing that bothers me. Getting a majority is hard, take for example the Dutch Politics [1]. Our country is now led by a parliament of 10 different political parties. Getting things done now is really hard, because each party has their own goals and finding a majority is for almost impossible. If all the parties were strictly following their own will, there would probably only a handful things done. The only way to get things done now is by making compromises. Another example is of course religion [2]. You can see that there's no majority there. Christianity being the largest with 33%. Even if that would be over 50%, you won't get peace if you say Christianity is the only correct religion.. - Matijn [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_Netherlands [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP Re: Programmers and developers needed
On 19 Sep 2012 at 16:32, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: unless they were a majority is the thing that bothers me. Getting a majority is hard, take for example the Dutch Politics [1]. Our country is now led by a parliament of 10 different political parties. Getting things done now is really hard, because each party has their own goals and finding a majority is for almost impossible. If all the parties were strictly following their own will, there would probably only a handful things done. The only way to get things done now is by making compromises. And so Dutch governments only last short periods of time, and it takes a long time to create a coalition. This is why Proportional Representation is such a bad idea. Better to have strong government with a clear mandate, and if you don't like it, vote it out next time. By the way what does any of this have to do with PHP? Nothing, I think. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: We are living in an age in which social networks are getting more and more powerful. They are not only creating a virtual future but they are pushing people to create the real future. The Arab Spring for example would not have started if it wasn’t for facebook or twitter. Economies would die without the internet. Everything that happens in society has it’s reflection on the internet and, more important, all that happens on the internet has it’s reflection on society!!! How can we use this to push the world into the right direction? What can we do to influence the future and higher the possibilities of our world to achieve global peace. Here is what we are planning to do: create a Think Tank, a group of programmers and developers, and brainstorm together on a new social network that will complete the existing one’s and can integrate with them perfectly. a social network easy to use and so appealing that it will become a must for all internet users to be part of it. A social network with a specific goal: let people make their choices towards global peace. Such a network is possible, such a network is fun and such a network works! it will open the way to a better world! Every programmer and developer interested to be part of this Tink Tank please contact me. Together we will create a better world. Thanks On Friday, September 14, 2012, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: On 12-09-13 06:10 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 16:48 -0400, Tedd Sperling wrote: On Sep 13, 2012, at 3:45 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there! We are looking for programmers and developers to create a world wide system. Your comments are welcome. Wow! I'm looking for world wide money. tedd Join the queue... There's a queue? Bah humbug... I've been waiting for delivery all this time. Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I hear that there's this thing-a-ma-jig called the world wide web.. do we really need a world WIDER web? maybe that's what they have in mind! holds cup out to african royalty -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: Thanks I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction., or simplified To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere. Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an concrete idea) can do that better? You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:) - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I guess that social structures didn't changed so much the last 10k years. I also guess if we want peace at all. The people just need to fight for something. Homogeneous world don't would bring heterogeneous ideas. Anyway I hope that you could do this, and become a great great genius, that will ever shine in the history and future generations. 2012/9/18 Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world's politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: Thanks I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = -F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction., or simplified To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere. Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an concrete idea) can do that better? You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:) - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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How naive you are to think that technology will promote world peace. People promote world peace and all the technology in the world cannot help them. You want world peace - stop chasing the easy solution and go do something. Look at the great social networks of today - they amount to picture sharing , boring recitations of a day's activities and character bashing. This great evolution of social networking that you wish to develop will do nothing more than improve upon that. On 9/18/2012 12:58 PM, Volmar Machado wrote: I guess that social structures didn't changed so much the last 10k years. I also guess if we want peace at all. The people just need to fight for something. Homogeneous world don't would bring heterogeneous ideas. Anyway I hope that you could do this, and become a great great genius, that will ever shine in the history and future generations. 2012/9/18 Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world's politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: Thanks I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = -F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction., or simplified To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere. Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an concrete idea) can do that better? You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:) - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: How naive you are to think that technology will promote world peace. People promote world peace and all the technology in the world cannot help them. You want world peace - stop chasing the easy solution and go do something. Look at the great social networks of today - they amount to picture sharing , boring recitations of a day's activities and character bashing. This great evolution of social networking that you wish to develop will do nothing more than improve upon that. You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. On 9/18/2012 12:58 PM, Volmar Machado wrote: I guess that social structures didn't changed so much the last 10k years. I also guess if we want peace at all. The people just need to fight for something. Homogeneous world don't would bring heterogeneous ideas. Anyway I hope that you could do this, and become a great great genius, that will ever shine in the history and future generations. 2012/9/18 Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador onya...@gmail.com wrote: The growing power of the internet and global networks. (on the world's politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary people) Programmers and developers needed: Thanks I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = -F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction., or simplified To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere. Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an concrete idea) can do that better? You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:) - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
-Original Message- From: Matijn Woudt [mailto:tijn...@gmail.com] You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. Please tell me that is said sarcastically. Advertising is the cancer of the internet. There was a time when there weren't ad banners, interstitials, pop-ups, pop-unders, spam, and all the other bullshit you have to sift through on a daily basis. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Matijn Woudt [mailto:tijn...@gmail.com] You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. Please tell me that is said sarcastically. Advertising is the cancer of the internet. There was a time when there weren't ad banners, interstitials, pop-ups, pop-unders, spam, and all the other bullshit you have to sift through on a daily basis. No, I was not meant to be sarcastic. You might find advertising to be the cancer of the internet, think again. The internet would be pretty much dead without ads, or would you rather pay $0.01 per Google search query? $0.01 for each e-mail send, $0.01 for each news article you want to read, etc, etc? (or more related, $0.01 for each facebook message you want to send/read?) In the end, good advertising means success, take the drop of facebook shares because of the investors being worried about facebooks' advertising possibilities. - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On 12-09-18 02:12 PM, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Matijn Woudt [mailto:tijn...@gmail.com] You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. Please tell me that is said sarcastically. Advertising is the cancer of the internet. There was a time when there weren't ad banners, interstitials, pop-ups, pop-unders, spam, and all the other bullshit you have to sift through on a daily basis. No, I was not meant to be sarcastic. You might find advertising to be the cancer of the internet, think again. The internet would be pretty much dead without ads, or would you rather pay $0.01 per Google search query? $0.01 for each e-mail send, $0.01 for each news article you want to read, etc, etc? (or more related, $0.01 for each facebook message you want to send/read?) In the end, good advertising means success, take the drop of facebook shares because of the investors being worried about facebooks' advertising possibilities. History suggests the internet would be here without advertising since it originated without advertising, originally grew without advertising, and finally evolved into this mixed blessing we have today. There's plenty of greatness on the internet, there's also plenty of steaming piles of manure. Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
-Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:rob...@interjinn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:22 PM To: Matijn Woudt Cc: Daevid Vincent; PHP-General Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed On 12-09-18 02:12 PM, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Matijn Woudt [mailto:tijn...@gmail.com] You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. Please tell me that is said sarcastically. Advertising is the cancer of the internet. There was a time when there weren't ad banners, interstitials, pop- ups, pop-unders, spam, and all the other bullshit you have to sift through on a daily basis. No, I was not meant to be sarcastic. You might find advertising to be the cancer of the internet, think again. The internet would be pretty much dead without ads, or would you rather pay $0.01 per Google search query? $0.01 for each e-mail send, $0.01 for each news article you want to read, etc, etc? (or more related, $0.01 for each facebook message you want to send/read?) In the end, good advertising means success, take the drop of facebook shares because of the investors being worried about facebooks' advertising possibilities. History suggests the internet would be here without advertising since it originated without advertising, originally grew without advertising, and finally evolved into this mixed blessing we have today. There's plenty of greatness on the internet, there's also plenty of steaming piles of manure. Cheers, Rob. Yeah, it grew out of government funding before advertising via educational institutions and the military. Would you rather have a free economy supported internet or a government controlled internet? Also, for those of us who are old enough to remember posting to text based bulletin boards, the influx of corporate money has greatly increased the infrastructure and functionality of the internet and has helped to make it a global phenomenon, which a government supported internet may have never become. Money makes all things possible. If you don't think so, try building a server farm and hooking up to a trunk line without it. My two cents. Now, I'm broke. Jeff -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On 12-09-18 02:38 PM, Jeff Burcher wrote: -Original Message- From: Robert Cummings [mailto:rob...@interjinn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:22 PM To: Matijn Woudt Cc: Daevid Vincent; PHP-General Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed On 12-09-18 02:12 PM, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Matijn Woudt [mailto:tijn...@gmail.com] You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. Please tell me that is said sarcastically. Advertising is the cancer of the internet. There was a time when there weren't ad banners, interstitials, pop- ups, pop-unders, spam, and all the other bullshit you have to sift through on a daily basis. No, I was not meant to be sarcastic. You might find advertising to be the cancer of the internet, think again. The internet would be pretty much dead without ads, or would you rather pay $0.01 per Google search query? $0.01 for each e-mail send, $0.01 for each news article you want to read, etc, etc? (or more related, $0.01 for each facebook message you want to send/read?) In the end, good advertising means success, take the drop of facebook shares because of the investors being worried about facebooks' advertising possibilities. History suggests the internet would be here without advertising since it originated without advertising, originally grew without advertising, and finally evolved into this mixed blessing we have today. There's plenty of greatness on the internet, there's also plenty of steaming piles of manure. Cheers, Rob. Yeah, it grew out of government funding before advertising via educational institutions and the military. Would you rather have a free economy supported internet or a government controlled internet? Also, for those of us who are old enough to remember posting to text based bulletin boards, the influx of corporate money has greatly increased the infrastructure and functionality of the internet and has helped to make it a global phenomenon, which a government supported internet may have never become. Money makes all things possible. If you don't think so, try building a server farm and hooking up to a trunk line without it. My two cents. Now, I'm broke. You're making me wax philosophical... Money doesn't make all things possible. Time and energy make all things possible. Money is just a convenient placeholder for time and energy. At any rate, you're making the assumption that advertising was a necessary ingredient. It was not... nor does it's absence guarantee a government controlled internet. You have a logical fallacy in your argument above, but I'm too lazy to look up which one (or which ones), but I can smell it (them) ;) Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:02:41AM -0700, Daevid Vincent wrote: -Original Message- From: Matijn Woudt [mailto:tijn...@gmail.com] You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. Please tell me that is said sarcastically. Advertising is the cancer of the internet. There was a time when there weren't ad banners, interstitials, pop-ups, pop-unders, spam, and all the other bullshit you have to sift through on a daily basis. I might add to this that one of the reasons I switched to using Google for internet searches many years ago was precisely this. All the other search portals at the time blasted you with ads. Google's search page was just a blank and the name Google, much as it is now. (Though I think Google has now become its own kind of evil.) And now I'm seeing more and more pop-up ads on websites all the time. I'm trying to read content and every little while I have to banish some pop-up or another. Grrr. Here's another massive evil: Web pages that take forever to load. Why? Because they have ads and other content being served up from other sites. It takes forever for the page to fully paint because of congestion at *other* sites which are supposed to be serving up content/ads to the page I'm visiting. Yeah, that's not annoying or anything. In fact, I've gone so far as to force my computer/browser to believe most common providers of ad content are localhost, making most requests for ad content yield 404 errors. I bought TiVo partially so I could skip ads. I've revelled in it every day since. I can watch an hour-long program in 47 minutes. (Though this is a sad commentary on television and cable content providers.) Yes, ads are Evil(tm). Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 16:36 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:02:41AM -0700, Daevid Vincent wrote: -Original Message- From: Matijn Woudt [mailto:tijn...@gmail.com] You're missing the most important aspect of social networks.. Advertising. Please tell me that is said sarcastically. Advertising is the cancer of the internet. There was a time when there weren't ad banners, interstitials, pop-ups, pop-unders, spam, and all the other bullshit you have to sift through on a daily basis. I might add to this that one of the reasons I switched to using Google for internet searches many years ago was precisely this. All the other search portals at the time blasted you with ads. Google's search page was just a blank and the name Google, much as it is now. (Though I think Google has now become its own kind of evil.) And now I'm seeing more and more pop-up ads on websites all the time. I'm trying to read content and every little while I have to banish some pop-up or another. Grrr. Here's another massive evil: Web pages that take forever to load. Why? Because they have ads and other content being served up from other sites. It takes forever for the page to fully paint because of congestion at *other* sites which are supposed to be serving up content/ads to the page I'm visiting. Yeah, that's not annoying or anything. In fact, I've gone so far as to force my computer/browser to believe most common providers of ad content are localhost, making most requests for ad content yield 404 errors. I bought TiVo partially so I could skip ads. I've revelled in it every day since. I can watch an hour-long program in 47 minutes. (Though this is a sad commentary on television and cable content providers.) Yes, ads are Evil(tm). Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com One of the most annoying types of ads I see these days is the full page image link behind everything else on the page (so it looks like a clickable background); and you click on a part of the window to give it focus, and BAM, a new tab opens up for some crappy ad. Not only do I have to wait for a huge image to load, but I also have to deal with some rubbish site in a new tab :-/ -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
RE: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed -- TiVo booooo!
-Original Message- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com] I bought TiVo partially so I could skip ads. I've revelled in it every day since. I can watch an hour-long program in 47 minutes. (Though this is a sad commentary on television and cable content providers.) Not to tangent too far here, but I'm about ready to cancel my TiVo. I've been with them since 1999. It infuriates me to no end that they too are now shoving their stupid ad banners into the GUI menu. I've even seen commercials that had the thumbs up icon in the upper corner to learn more. I see the same Bounty Paper Towels logo in my TiVo GUI everywhere. Don't get me started on their made-for-dumb-users crapy GUI and the unbearably slow navigation. UGHHGHGHH!!! I pay these bastards $15/mo basically for a TV guide. Because let's face it, without the guide, the DVR is pretty useless. I have a Windows7 MCE in my living room with the Ceton InfiniTV PCIe board and this is the best PVR/DVR I have ever seen/used (and I tried many from Myth, XBMC, MCE2005, others that are now defunct). WELL worth the initial cost to build. Works flawlessly. 4 HD streams (per card)! No monthly fees. Full HTPC experience with plugins even (weather, RSS, movies, etc.) http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv/ I was just approved to be on the beta testing team for the Echo due out by year's end. I should have my testing box by month's end. Once that happens and this thing works as I think it will (given the awesomeness of their other products), the TiVo Premier in my bedroom will make a great backstop for my AR-15 .223 rounds (and I will enjoy pumping that thing full of lead) http://cetoncorp.com/products/echo/ Yes, ads are Evil(tm). Amen. And the punishment for mass spammers should be death. I am not even joking. It would stop quicker than a failed Nigerian phishing scam. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
2012/9/14 Kiek Bailey kbai...@howlermonkey.net On 9/13/2012 7:39 PM, Jim Giner wrote: On 9/13/2012 3:45 AM, agbo onyador wrote: Hello there! We are looking for programmers and developers to create a world wide system. Your comments are welcome. really?? A world wide system? And this is how you advertise it? I thiknk he's still building it, not advertising it. Still, methinks i detect a bit of a whiff, but it could be my pits... Or the fact that since the 'announcement' , there were no further responses from him (her?) Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet, Serge Fonville http://www.sergefonville.nl Convince Microsoft! They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table 2012/9/14 Kiek Bailey kbai...@howlermonkey.net On 9/13/2012 7:39 PM, Jim Giner wrote: On 9/13/2012 3:45 AM, agbo onyador wrote: Hello there! We are looking for programmers and developers to create a world wide system. Your comments are welcome. really?? A world wide system? And this is how you advertise it? I thiknk he's still building it, not advertising it. Still, methinks i detect a bit of a whiff, but it could be my pits... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On 9/13/2012 3:45 AM, agbo onyador wrote: Hello there! We are looking for programmers and developers to create a world wide system. Your comments are welcome. really?? A world wide system? And this is how you advertise it? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Programmers and developers needed
On 9/13/2012 7:39 PM, Jim Giner wrote: On 9/13/2012 3:45 AM, agbo onyador wrote: Hello there! We are looking for programmers and developers to create a world wide system. Your comments are welcome. really?? A world wide system? And this is how you advertise it? I thiknk he's still building it, not advertising it. Still, methinks i detect a bit of a whiff, but it could be my pits... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
