Ambient light networking

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I saw this today, a rather neat concept that got me thinking of this as
rather cool and finally.

https://www.purelifi.com/products/light-antenna-one/

Your lighting is your wifi antenna, and modulates IR spectrums (like your
remote control) for data streams between access point "lights" and a
receptor client in, say your phone.  I've seen some concepts over the
years, but I'm genuinely excited for this sort of thing as something
actually shipping and even an 802.11bb standard for it now.

There is already power-line networking
, imagine your home
power network (110/common/ground wires) as the backbone and bulbs are your
access points to your switched data network and Internet.

Cool stuff imho.

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Re: Slow Windows Box

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

> Ok, Thanks!!  I have an HP laptop running Win 10 Pro that I use to make
> videos.  It has 8GB of ram and an m.2.  It is about 6 years old.  It is
> using 41% of RAM... Yikes!!

I really have to wonder how the browsers work like that with so little ram,
they will tend to use as much or as little as you have, and aren't shy
about having their way with pagefiles if not.

I say this as with 128gb of ram, under linux (any) it's not uncommon to see
firefox and worse chrome when I'm busy with multiple customers and browser
profiles using 30-40gb of said ram.  I use a lot of windows/tabs, I run for
weeks or months between session restarts, and various research professional
or otherwise, I'll open dozens of tabs on each easily.  To hear people use
4-8gb seems crazy to me.  My system lets me know, and used to with *only*
64gb that "hey arsehole, you need to upgrade!" with OOM's.

> My wife could get by with a netbook.

Never hurts to earn some points.  Maybe a special dessert for your
consideration.

> Next go around I'm going to build anything I need except laptops.
> Before 2005 I built everything.

Best desktop-ish I've had for a while now is a factory-built Dell Precision
T7910, dual xeon cpu, 128gb of ram, super silent, I use it for proxmox now
vs actual desktop, but used to.  Not sure I'd build my own vs. buy good
bones and augment like I did this with good ram/disks.  I've long used Dell
Latitude, XPS, Precision, and as long as you get good models, they're tight
and work forever.  Get the cheap Inspirons or others, you get what you pay
for.

If you want a laptop to "build" (or enhance), look at Framework, their 13"
and soon 16" are pretty sweet, built to be serviceable/upgradable, and will
probably be my next purchase once the 16" is out.  My Lenovo Thinkpad is
pretty good hardware at the core, but things like their TB4 dock and even
their jank website annoy the hell out of me.  It doesn't even work in
firefox under linux.

-mb



On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 1:19 PM  wrote:

> On 2023-07-13 10:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Well that's about what I was expecting you'd see...
> >
> > First, start with getting her more memory, I'm amazed it'll even run
> > and start a browser with only 4gb of ram.  Firefox/Chrome alone uses a
> > good 8-20gb of ram at a time for my normal usage, anything else will
> > just sit in swap/pagefile (which is why your disks are running
> > overtime).
>
>
> Ok, Thanks!!  I have an HP laptop running Win 10 Pro that I use to make
> videos.  It has 8GB of ram and an m.2.  It is about 6 years old.  It is
> using 41% of RAM... Yikes!!
>
>
> > I'd say no less than 16gb for any reasonable modern use,
> ---
> > or if her I'd divorce you for less.
>
> Funny!!
>
> >
> > Second, get rid of the spinner disk, or at least move it to a role as
> > a secondary drive for storage.  Putting the OS on any SSD will make it
> > feel like lightning comparatively.  If you can, put an m.2 directly in
> > a pci-e slot with a slot adapter, that'll be your fastest choice, or
> > any sata-based SSD as a fallback.
> >
> > Between ram and new ssd, it should rip even with an older processor.
>
> Does not need to be fire breathing.  Seems quickest fix would be to
> upgrade to 8GB of RAM based off of my HP's performance.
>
> My wife could get by with a netbook.
>
>
>
> >
> > You can probably reinstall the dell image clean downloading it from
> > dell and keep using the oem key (they're baked into the hardware), but
> > they're usually riddled with crapware and demos.. You're better off
> > getting a clean win10 build for $7 bucks from gkeys.
> >
>
> I do not like all the add-ons they provide either!!
>
> Next go around I'm going to build anything I need except laptops.
> Before 2005 I built everything.
>
> Thank you for all your help!!
>
>
> > -mb
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 9:38 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you to all who replied.
> >>
> >> I spent over an hour on trying to figure this out.
> >>
> >> I opened the Event Viewer and discovered the system was using 94% of
> >>
> >> memory and 100% of the disk in idle mode.
> >>
> >> This computer is running Windows 10 pro with 4GB of ram and and 4
> >> cores
> >> and 4 threads.  Is has a rust spinner.
> >>
> >> This is my wife's computer and she uses it for limited email, some
> >> google searching, and mostly to watch YouTube.  This computer gets
> >> used
> >> very little.
> >>
> >> It has been slow from the beginning.
> >>
> >> One of 

Re: Slow Windows Box

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Well that's about what I was expecting you'd see...

First, start with getting her more memory, I'm amazed it'll even run and
start a browser with only 4gb of ram.  Firefox/Chrome alone uses a good
8-20gb of ram at a time for my normal usage, anything else will just sit in
swap/pagefile (which is why your disks are running overtime).  I'd say no
less than 16gb for any reasonable modern use, or if her I'd divorce you for
less.

Second, get rid of the spinner disk, or at least move it to a role as a
secondary drive for storage.  Putting the OS on any SSD will make it feel
like lightning comparatively.  If you can, put an m.2 directly in a pci-e
slot with a slot adapter, that'll be your fastest choice, or any sata-based
SSD as a fallback.

Between ram and new ssd, it should rip even with an older processor.

You can probably reinstall the dell image clean downloading it from dell
and keep using the oem key (they're baked into the hardware), but they're
usually riddled with crapware and demos.. You're better off getting a clean
win10 build for $7 bucks from gkeys.

-mb



On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 9:38 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thank you to all who replied.
>
> I spent over an hour on trying to figure this out.
>
> I opened the Event Viewer and discovered the system was using 94% of
> memory and 100% of the disk in idle mode.
>
> This computer is running Windows 10 pro with 4GB of ram and and 4 cores
> and 4 threads.  Is has a rust spinner.
>
> This is my wife's computer and she uses it for limited email, some
> google searching, and mostly to watch YouTube.  This computer gets used
> very little.
>
> It has been slow from the beginning.
>
> One of the issues was once the computer went into sleep mode it would
> take forever to wake up so I turned off sleep mode.
>
> What I found was hundreds of things running in the background.  Not sure
> why and it was unclear what was the memory hog.
>
> I was puzzled what was going on with the HD.  Disk properties showed
> 825GB of 915GB free.  I tried to scan and it said the disk had issues.
> So I let it troubleshoot and it fixed it in about 10 minutes. It did not
> report what the actual issue was.
>
> I monkeyed with the background processes and got the memory usage down
> to 86%.
>
> I know next to nothing about managing windows so I do not want to monkey
> with it much more.
>
> At this point I am thinking of creating a reinstall disk or USB and
> while I'm at it instating a SSD.  Newegg has some really good deals on
> SSD.
>
> Since this is a Dell computer I suspect the Win install will not
> complain about the different HD.
>
> Will an OEM install require a key?
>
> Any thoughts are most welcome.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2023-07-07 17:06, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Thank you so much!!  Might be a couple days before I can work on it
> > again.  I'll let you know how things go.
> >
> >
> > On 2023-07-07 15:40, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> Task manager and/or Resource Manager should show you where your
> >> bottlenecks lie, but sounds like either disk (spinner vs ssd), memory,
> >> or cpu is getting pegged.  This should show you what processes are
> >> using said cpu/memory/io, either kill them, or feed them more hardware
> >> resources.  The sysinternals tools like process explorer and such are
> >> also helpful in seeing applications and/or system processes freaking
> >> out, including more hidden ones.
> >>
> >> If still a spinner disk, the best thing you could do is get her any
> >> SSD to run the OS and primary apps on alone.
> >>
> >> Could be windoze is just trashed after a while with applications
> >> coming and going, upgrading, breaking stuff, etc.  Might be worth
> >> trying a clean restore of the system and/or wiping the disks with
> >> zero's to reset state ala fragmentation or if ssd, needing a reset
> >> with secure erase.
> >>
> >> -mb
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> This is mostly off topic given this is a Linux List.
> >>>
> >>> I have two separate work areas in my house.  I have my home office
> >>> which
> >>> is doing well.  I am using my Linux Ubuntu desktop to send this
> >>> email.
> >>> My Linux machine is hardwired.  This is my main box.  I also have a
> >>> Win
> >>> 10 Pro laptop that I use to make and edit YouTube videos.  My
> >>> editing
> &

Re: cringeworthy question...

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I can't speak to the hosting side, but why not just get a windows license
to feed the beast?

I presume this is a windows server, if the hosting is cheap enough, might
be worth just getting the license vs moving, but someone has to pay
microsoft, and it's always going to be you one way or another.  The site I
usually recommend gkeys24 has win server licenses too, so long as you're
using something new enough they have, it was cheap enough at like $30 for a
server 2022 license at least.

Even at full cost, if that much of a dependency and pita to move, it might
be worth the cost to toss it a license and be done.

-mb


On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 3:47 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Ok, I know this is going to make y’all cringe, but ... I need to find a
> reliable, ethical, and inexpensive hosting VPS for a Windows back-end
> service app I’m working on.
>
> I’ve been hosting at a place called VirMach that has both Win and Linux,
> and it turns out they’ve been laoding up TRIAL licenses on their Windows
> VPS machines. Mine is now shutting down every day since the trial period
> expired, and they say it’s on me to fix it.
>
> Right now I don’t need a lot of resources. I have a web service that I’m
> working on that still needs some work completed, but I’m getting close to
> hitting my first major milestone.
>
> Anyway, I’m just wondering if anybody can recommend where to go for a
> light-duty Win VPS host. If it can scale-up later, that would be great.
>
> I need 4GB of RAM because I’ve found anything less that that runs horribly
> slow. The bandwidth isn’t that much, and the disk space isn’t either. It’s
> more of a traffic cop: I’ve got a bunch of files cached on a Linux host
> elsewhere, and this thing just runs a bunch of logic, talks to 3rd-party
> services, and supports a simple database to say where to find other
> resources.
>
> Thanks
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
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Re: kernel panic on a debian machine...

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Kernel panics are usually hardware related in my experience, I'd unplug all
unnecessary usb and pci cards, then iso-image boot to run memtest86 on it.
If you can see the logs of the panic or leading up to it, see what
component or driver is complaining, but if nothing else after everything is
removed, I'd suspect memory, maybe even power supply.  Rarely see a cpu or
mobo die unless it's got blown capacitors.

If nothing else, boot clonezilla iso (I think it should have memtest86
too), or any other linux boot cd and copy/clone the disk data that way to a
target disk (ie usb), mounting your drive volumes as needed.  About as
painless as it's going to get short of connecting the disk in another
working linux system via usb carrier or direct.

-mb


On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>   About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my
> Debian 10 machine.  I didn't know how or
> have time to try and recover the OS.  I chose to install a Debian 11 on a
> new drive.  That one is giving me some trouble as well
> now.
> Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the OS?  Just point
> me in the right direction.
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: Public raspberrypi https/mail/dns... on Cox Cable

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Having supported and built cable modem systems for years (including them),
Cox Business will do modems a few ways, but usually provisioning at the
modem a limit quantity of mac/ip's (normally == 1) for what can pass, then
you just *use* them as you would normally, either grabbing dhcp (with a new
mac) or using statically assigning to the same public host as the main (ie
firewall/router).  If you get a contiguous /29 or larger network
block/prefix from them or on your own, they'll usually give you a static ip
and route that /29 prefix *at* your primary ip, so traffic knows how to get
to you, then you just apply them with nat or however normally to the
interface.  They can also do private mpls connectivity, but that's another
bag...

As David said, your modem is NOT a router, mostly a Layer 1-2 bridge with
some provisioned security features (DOCSIS BPI), unless it's one of their
combo boxes with router/wifi built-in, but those tend to suck and you don't
want to use those anyways.  Any routing occurs at the Cox CMTS (cable modem
termination system, your cable gateway router), or your gateway
firewall/router.

-mb


On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 11:34 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Cable modems pull the signal from a coax line and turn it into an ethernet
> signal that comes out of a single RJ-45 plug.
>
> I dunno squat about what goes on inside of those boxes, but routers
> typically have a WAN port and a bunch of “internal” ports that are all
> RJ-45 plugs.
>
> If you can get Cox to send traffic for a group of IPs to your modem, then
> they should all come out the ethernet side as well, right?
>
> Remember that their modem is NOT a “router”. You can plug a router into
> it, tho.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2023, at 10:34 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> On using openwrt on legacy routers, start here, find anything that is
> *well* supported and hunt on ebay, or go to a thrift shop and search this
> list if you find a decent looking box.  At one point years ago I'd scooped
> up several decent goodwill routers for some $5-7ea and flashed to openwrt
> to give to family and friends when they complained about their crappy
> router and wifi not working.  Probably still have one or two floating
> around...
>
> https://openwrt.org/toh/start
>
> -mb
>
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Re: Public raspberrypi https/mail/dns... on Cox Cable

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

On using openwrt on legacy routers, start here, find anything that is
*well* supported and hunt on ebay, or go to a thrift shop and search this
list if you find a decent looking box.  At one point years ago I'd scooped
up several decent goodwill routers for some $5-7ea and flashed to openwrt
to give to family and friends when they complained about their crappy
router and wifi not working.  Probably still have one or two floating
around...

https://openwrt.org/toh/start

-mb


On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 10:27 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> Most consumer routers won't, but the nice part is most older router
> hardware *can* typically run ddwrt/openwrt that will.  I often see decent
> older routers at goodwill and thrift shops, or always ebay if you have a
> hardware platform you want to target.  Ideally find one that is dual core,
> decent memory, ideally a usb 3.0 port for shenanigans, and most should be
> capable of modern internet speeds.
>
> If nothing else, any moderately non-decrepit x86 boxes can run
> pfsense/opnsense too easily enough to do this too.  I have run everything
> from cisco, palo alto, fortinet, *wrt's, etc as a firewall both in customer
> enterprises and my house, and so far my current opnsense has become a
> favorite.  Certainly not a full replacement for enterprise features you get
> out of the big names, but the best blend of features for both consumer and
> enterprise-y features.
>
> I would ask the question of why you *really* need multiple ip addresses to
> begin with.  For all my shenanigans replicating enterprise features at my
> house in 25 years, I've never needed multiple ip having hosted at times
> everything from web servers, vpn, email, and everything else in between,
> even when I worked for Cox and could for free.  Between crafty uses of NAT,
> DNS, and Certificates using proper SAN's, there's very little reason to
> *need* to more than usually folks just *want* to or don't know better
> aforementioned methods.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 8:00 PM Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> others here are correct cheap consumer routers rarley have the option to
>> handle multiple ip's
>> better routers do. It is built in ipfire ( my choice of routers) on a old
>> computer with 2-4 network cards or in a vm also works and I think it is
>> available in
>> pfsence or opensence and DDWRT just add a alias IP and then port forward
>> to the server you want it togo to.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 4:44 PM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Buddy who ran cox business had 6 ip's.  stacked them on the router and
>>> provided different SNAT/DNAT to the boxes behind.  There was some
>>> configuration fiddliness with the modem, but this was years ago.  any
>>> reasonable router would be able to do this, the main question is how the
>>> modem handles it.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 1:51 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AFAIK, the Cox router can be configured to either run DHCP or as a
>>>> Static IP address. Either way, it can only listen to one IP. They do run
>>>> DHCP from the local hubs, but the IPs themselves rarely change, and you’re
>>>> sharing them with the whole neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>> Most hosting providers share a single IP among multiple accounts coming
>>>> into a server. There are two separate IPs for DNS hosting on a totally
>>>> different server. If you want your own dedicated IP for your account, you
>>>> can usually get it. But I can’t think of any that let you set up a separate
>>>> IP for individual services unless they’re on separate servers in different
>>>> facilities. I’ve had hosting accounts where they share a pool of IPs among
>>>> hosting accounts, and I’d have up to 6 IPs, but each account only had one
>>>> IP and all of the services used that one IP.
>>>>
>>>> The only situations I’ve heard where people are using multiple IPs is
>>>> to have backup internet providers, like Cox, CenturyLink, etc, in case one
>>>> of them goes down. In those cases, you need a router designed to handle
>>>> multiple (usually two) WAN ports where one is primary and the other is a
>>>> failover.
>>>>
>>>> -David Schwartz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrot

Re: Public raspberrypi https/mail/dns... on Cox Cable

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Most consumer routers won't, but the nice part is most older router
hardware *can* typically run ddwrt/openwrt that will.  I often see decent
older routers at goodwill and thrift shops, or always ebay if you have a
hardware platform you want to target.  Ideally find one that is dual core,
decent memory, ideally a usb 3.0 port for shenanigans, and most should be
capable of modern internet speeds.

If nothing else, any moderately non-decrepit x86 boxes can run
pfsense/opnsense too easily enough to do this too.  I have run everything
from cisco, palo alto, fortinet, *wrt's, etc as a firewall both in customer
enterprises and my house, and so far my current opnsense has become a
favorite.  Certainly not a full replacement for enterprise features you get
out of the big names, but the best blend of features for both consumer and
enterprise-y features.

I would ask the question of why you *really* need multiple ip addresses to
begin with.  For all my shenanigans replicating enterprise features at my
house in 25 years, I've never needed multiple ip having hosted at times
everything from web servers, vpn, email, and everything else in between,
even when I worked for Cox and could for free.  Between crafty uses of NAT,
DNS, and Certificates using proper SAN's, there's very little reason to
*need* to more than usually folks just *want* to or don't know better
aforementioned methods.

-mb


On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 8:00 PM Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> others here are correct cheap consumer routers rarley have the option to
> handle multiple ip's
> better routers do. It is built in ipfire ( my choice of routers) on a old
> computer with 2-4 network cards or in a vm also works and I think it is
> available in
> pfsence or opensence and DDWRT just add a alias IP and then port forward
> to the server you want it togo to.
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 4:44 PM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Buddy who ran cox business had 6 ip's.  stacked them on the router and
>> provided different SNAT/DNAT to the boxes behind.  There was some
>> configuration fiddliness with the modem, but this was years ago.  any
>> reasonable router would be able to do this, the main question is how the
>> modem handles it.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 1:51 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> AFAIK, the Cox router can be configured to either run DHCP or as a
>>> Static IP address. Either way, it can only listen to one IP. They do run
>>> DHCP from the local hubs, but the IPs themselves rarely change, and you’re
>>> sharing them with the whole neighborhood.
>>>
>>> Most hosting providers share a single IP among multiple accounts coming
>>> into a server. There are two separate IPs for DNS hosting on a totally
>>> different server. If you want your own dedicated IP for your account, you
>>> can usually get it. But I can’t think of any that let you set up a separate
>>> IP for individual services unless they’re on separate servers in different
>>> facilities. I’ve had hosting accounts where they share a pool of IPs among
>>> hosting accounts, and I’d have up to 6 IPs, but each account only had one
>>> IP and all of the services used that one IP.
>>>
>>> The only situations I’ve heard where people are using multiple IPs is to
>>> have backup internet providers, like Cox, CenturyLink, etc, in case one of
>>> them goes down. In those cases, you need a router designed to handle
>>> multiple (usually two) WAN ports where one is primary and the other is a
>>> failover.
>>>
>>> -David Schwartz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Was looking at the raspberrypi this morning and it brought me to the
>>> same place I have come to several times in the post.
>>>
>>> I have a business account with Cox Cable which allows me to run 1 or
>>> more servers.  Last year I used an old laptop to make a web server using
>>> Ubuntu, Apache, MySQL, PHP, plus Postfix and dovecot, plus BIND.  I'm a PHP
>>> dev so I felt pretty good about that achievement.
>>>
>>> I only have 1 public IP and everything on my network has a private IP.
>>> I used port forwarding to get the web server to work.
>>>
>>> Supposedly I can get multiple IPs from Cox.  On several occasions I've
>>> asked the level 1 how I would configure 1 or more servers on the public IPs
>>> they can provide and they do not know how.
>>>
>>> At some point in the future I'm thinking I'd like to create a publicly
>>> facing group of PIs to run as a web server (or maybe more)... 1 for HTTPS,
>>> 1 for DNS, 1 for mail, and 1 for MySQL (on a private IP ?).
>>>
>>> I assume I would use the Cisco gizmo that has coax in and RJ45 out...
>>> the out would go into a small switch which would route each IP to the
>>> appropriate PI based on the BIND config.  I assume I can plug my Netgear
>>> 

Re: Slow Windows Box

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Task manager and/or Resource Manager should show you where your bottlenecks
lie, but sounds like either disk (spinner vs ssd), memory, or cpu is
getting pegged.  This should show you what processes are using said
cpu/memory/io, either kill them, or feed them more hardware resources.  The
sysinternals tools like process explorer and such are also helpful in
seeing applications and/or system processes freaking out, including more
hidden ones.

If still a spinner disk, the best thing you could do is get her any SSD to
run the OS and primary apps on alone.

Could be windoze is just trashed after a while with applications coming and
going, upgrading, breaking stuff, etc.  Might be worth trying a clean
restore of the system and/or wiping the disks with zero's to reset state
ala fragmentation or if ssd, needing a reset with secure erase.

-mb


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> Hi,
>
> This is mostly off topic given this is a Linux List.
>
> I have two separate work areas in my house.  I have my home office which
> is doing well.  I am using my Linux Ubuntu desktop to send this email.
> My Linux machine is hardwired.  This is my main box.  I also have a Win
> 10 Pro laptop that I use to make and edit YouTube videos.  My editing
> software only works on Win and MAC.  This laptop is connected via WIFI.
> No Problems.  The O/S loads reasonably fast.  My video editing software
> loads reasonably fast and the rendering process takes a bit but not too
> bad.  This is a 6 year old HP - nothing fancy and it works.
>
> My wife's office in another spare bedroom and she has a Dell mini-tower
> Win 10 ... I want to say pro as well.
>
> Here is where I need help. My wife's dell is very slow and has trouble
> with loading Firefox and it takes a while to load YouTube videos.  Even
> windows takes a while to load which make me think it is a local problem
> (the Dell box).
>
> I am reaching out because I do not know how to troubleshoot this issue.
>
> Any help much appreciated.
>
> Keith
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Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a load of
H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people will
line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly to
escape while they still can before China says No.  Like most any one here
on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn...

I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work still, if
that isn't roboticized too by now.

-mb


On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD.  He was talking to one
> of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the local jobs
> TSMC will create.  She assured him that was not the case - most of the
> workers will come from Taiwan.
>
> This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a sweatshop,
> but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.*
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's just
> someone drumming up support for something.  In this case, we'll probably
> hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get all the
> people they need, etc.  Same deal as when I was working at a company that
> got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new employees
> because they didn't have a structure that worked with professionals.
> Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview on CNBC about the need to
> extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough workers.  At the very least,
> there's plenty of incentive to drive down labor costs.  And with the halts
> for new housing going out, there is a LOT of incentive to manipulate the
> market.
>
> Am I being paranoid?  I probably need to touch more grass.
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  I've read that
>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John Wilkes
>> Booth.
>>
>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
>> > sweatshop
>> >
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Re: windows in a virtual machine

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Checkout on gkeys24 seems to work for me, it should put you through a 3rd
party for payment, make sure you're not script blocking it or anything
(often a problem for me).  I'm using firefox here with noscript/adblock
origin just whitelisting the direct sites.

I just went "ew" as everything I've read or heard about win11 annoys me to
even want to try it.  They basically released an unfinished UI revamp
trying to do the "hey, we look like mac now, come back!" with the new
taskbar and such in the middle, breaking basic taskbar functionality in the
process, and seems just another experiment from bored developers.  Like
when they tried the silly full-screen start menu in win8 everyone
(including M$) tried to forget, just quit screwing with what works.

Joys of using it only as a guest os for windoze-only applications like
visio or project, I usually disable all advanced desktop options and
features so it's as close to XP as I can get it.  I just want to launch the
app I need, and use anything else about windoze as little as possible.
Then go back to using Linux for anything else.

-mb


On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 9:13 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> "I always get keys from gkeys24.com, win10 is like $7 bucks for a legit
> key, win11 a bit more (but ew)"
>
> Why 'ew'? is 11 garbage?
> also... I can't enter my payment information at http://gkeys24.com/
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 11:07 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, use Virtualbox, get the windows 10/11 iso from microsoft's own
>> site, install windows in a VM just like you would another PC.  I've been
>> doing this for ~20 years, as long as I've used linux as a full-time system,
>> and the only way to run windoze.
>>
>> This also comes with the advantage of being able to leverage Snapshots.
>> As soon as your clean windoze vm is installed, registered all shiny and
>> unmolested, create a Snapshot of your image.  Should your Dad get infected
>> in any way, or even just suspects it, before any upgrade, anything dubious,
>> just restore to that Snapshot, and good as new again to a perfect state.
>>
>> I always get keys from gkeys24.com, win10 is like $7 bucks for a legit
>> key, win11 a bit more (but ew).  I can forward you a latest ad, they tend
>> to hide windoze licenses from the main site to avoid microsoft's lawyers (I
>> assume).
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 7:41 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael --
>>>
>>> Yes, you can install Linux and then additionally install VirtualBox.
>>> From there you can download the Windows 10 ISO
>>>
>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
>>>
>>> and then install it. Obviously, you'll need a valid license key to
>>> install.
>>>
>>> There was a thread here recently about cheap and reliable windows keys
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alexander
>>>
>>> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023, 04:21 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My father is interested in Linux but he needs Windows. I HEARD that you
>>>> can d/l the windows ISO to usb and that it will install to the computer if
>>>> it originally came with windows. If that is true my question is: what about
>>>> if I were to install linux and then put windows into a virtual machine;
>>>> Could I do that? Where would I go to get the windows ISO?
>>>>
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Re: windows in a virtual machine

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Of course, Microsoft wants you to go out and pay $200 a seat licenses as
"perceived value", but if you're broke (or just cheap or know better),
they'll take a few bucks too.  They're not choosy as they're printing money
for themselves anyways.

If you're the kind of person that likes overspending on an expensive purse
to feel better, feel free and spend that $200 for windoze, but I've paid
more than enough of the microsoft tax in my life on systems that only ran
linux, they can cough me up a cheap vm license to run visio in.

-mb


On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 8:45 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> Thanks. 10 is only $7. And I thought it was so much more.
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 10:13 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> > Why not Qemu?
>>
>> Just a simple option for a desktop user really (consider the source
>> asking), much easier to learn and manage than qemu with virtmanager.
>> Virtualbox *is* Oracle though, and about the only thing more evil is
>> (maybe) Microsoft and Fakebook (Satan is down on the evil list these days).
>>
>> Only real trap with virtualbox (that I know) is to NOT use the extension
>> pack, as that puts you into their commercial licensing, and they have gone
>> out of their way to commit bored lawyers to actually sue organizations for
>> using it (meaning they likely have spyware built-in that phones home
>> reporting it).
>>
>> I'm all for qemu over virtualbox as a more advanced option when someone
>> is ready to get more into the weeds, but not on a desktop system, and at
>> that point might as well use proxmox with qemu if dedicated.
>>
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 5:40 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 4 Jul 2023 08:07:17 -0700
>>>
>>> >Agreed, use Virtualbox,
>>>
>>> Why not Qemu?
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>>
>>> Steve Litt
>>> Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm
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Re: windows in a virtual machine

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

> Why not Qemu?

Just a simple option for a desktop user really (consider the source
asking), much easier to learn and manage than qemu with virtmanager.
Virtualbox *is* Oracle though, and about the only thing more evil is
(maybe) Microsoft and Fakebook (Satan is down on the evil list these days).

Only real trap with virtualbox (that I know) is to NOT use the extension
pack, as that puts you into their commercial licensing, and they have gone
out of their way to commit bored lawyers to actually sue organizations for
using it (meaning they likely have spyware built-in that phones home
reporting it).

I'm all for qemu over virtualbox as a more advanced option when someone is
ready to get more into the weeds, but not on a desktop system, and at that
point might as well use proxmox with qemu if dedicated.

-mb


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> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 4 Jul 2023 08:07:17 -0700
>
> >Agreed, use Virtualbox,
>
> Why not Qemu?
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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Re: windows in a virtual machine

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Agreed, use Virtualbox, get the windows 10/11 iso from microsoft's own
site, install windows in a VM just like you would another PC.  I've been
doing this for ~20 years, as long as I've used linux as a full-time system,
and the only way to run windoze.

This also comes with the advantage of being able to leverage Snapshots.  As
soon as your clean windoze vm is installed, registered all shiny and
unmolested, create a Snapshot of your image.  Should your Dad get infected
in any way, or even just suspects it, before any upgrade, anything dubious,
just restore to that Snapshot, and good as new again to a perfect state.

I always get keys from gkeys24.com, win10 is like $7 bucks for a legit key,
win11 a bit more (but ew).  I can forward you a latest ad, they tend to
hide windoze licenses from the main site to avoid microsoft's lawyers (I
assume).

-mb



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> Michael --
>
> Yes, you can install Linux and then additionally install VirtualBox. From
> there you can download the Windows 10 ISO
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
>
> and then install it. Obviously, you'll need a valid license key to install.
>
> There was a thread here recently about cheap and reliable windows keys
> recently.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023, 04:21 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> My father is interested in Linux but he needs Windows. I HEARD that you
>> can d/l the windows ISO to usb and that it will install to the computer if
>> it originally came with windows. If that is true my question is: what about
>> if I were to install linux and then put windows into a virtual machine;
>> Could I do that? Where would I go to get the windows ISO?
>>
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Re: Android phone question

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Most of my experience when exceeding hardware spec/capacity is that it
won't register the full amount, but as much as it *can* mostly per backward
compatible spec.  It might not at all if the disk controller is too foreign
or behind, but usually gives something.

Same as it's mostly been since the beginning of time really.  If not seeing
the full amount, it's a hardware/controller limitation.  Sometimes some
medium ground, other times not all or at all.

-mb


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> I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but I don't know of
> anywhere else to ask.  I have a MOTO G Power 2021 phone.  I've read the
> specs on it and it supports SDXC micro sd cards.  Here's the part that
> confuses me.  I've read numerous places that SDXC supports card with
> capacities up to 2TB, but the specs on the phone say it supports micro
> SD cards up to 512 GB.   I'm wondering what happens if I put a 1TB card
> in it.  Will it be able to access the entire card, or only half of it?
> If it only sees half the card, can I make two partitions of 512GB each
> to get it to see all the space on the card?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
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Re: CHIRP on Kubuntu 22.04

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Looks like it's just creating a generic usb serial port, so I'd presume you
need to tell the program your hardware device serial speed, flow control,
bits, etc and have it misconfigured currently it's erroring in that seeing
bits it expects returned.  Being legacy serial vs like a hardware sdr, this
is not negotiated but rather needs set for your device requirements
usually, but depending on your hardware that might not always be the same.

Also make sure the port is actually running on /dev/ttyUSB0 and not USB1 or
other, I've had this happen if a cable gets yanked or wiggled causing the
device to reset too quickly and is already in use.  Check using "dmesg |
grep usbTTY" to make sure the number.

-mb


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> I'm in need of help with Chirp on Kubuntu 22.04.  CHIRP is a program
> that allows for easy programming of a transceiver and for backing up the
> configuration of the radio in question.  I've used it before I upgraded
> to 22.04 and it worked.  Now it doesn't.  I have the port set to
> /dev/ttyUSB0.   I give CHIRP the correct vendor and model information.
> Then I click download.  Chirp shows nothing, but the radio says TX and a
> progress bar then Clone OK when it's done.  This is what should happen.
> However Chirp should also show a progress bar.  However it does
> nothing.  Instead it give me a dialog box that says:
>
> Error communicating with the radio
>
> module 'collections' has to attribute 'Callable"
>
> This suggests to me that Chirp is sending data to the radio that tells
> it to send its data to Chirp, but it acts like the computer isn't able
> to receive it.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
>
>
> Thanks.
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Re: Phoenix is emerging as the city of the future

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I think that's a whole other ball of worms around "Smart Cities", and more
about the technologies they conceptualize applying to run cities better,
not so much cities turning into a large hub of technology employers.  I
don't think there's a (good) book for that yet...

Been there, done that too with "Smart City" tech for a large California
muni customer.  It's all fanciful visions and theory until someone has to
cut a check for it and/or support it.

While rebuilding and supporting my customer's network, they put me on a
task to research what San Diego was doing back circa 2018/2019, where they
had their street light cameras put in everywhere to do "smart city"
things.  Someone actually voted to foot the bill miraculously, but then the
city IT didn't know what to do with it.  Well they did, but everything
included tracking people, cars, pedestrians, etc, but people got wind and
went up in arms to halt it
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3vn83/streetlight-spy-cameras-have-led-to-a-massive-privacy-backlash-in-san-diego>.
Then it sat around to now
<https://voiceofsandiego.org/2023/06/14/defunct-streetlight-cameras-still-costing-san-diego-1m-annually/>,
went into disrepair, couldn't get funding for a 2nd generation (I think),
but still there.

The cops have been fiending for years to get access for doing what they do
<https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2023-03-01/san-diego-police-pitching-plan-to-use-streetlight-cameras-and-license-plate-readers>,
though publicly decried, it is reported they keep trying anyways for that
sweet sweet warrantless surveillance
<https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-police-holding-series-of-community-meetings-to-discuss-smart-streetlight-surveillance-cameras-and-license-plate-readers/3177903/>
.

Nothing good other than 1984 style tracking innovate modern municipal smart
technology!

That "smart city" project got snuffed with another wave of economic
downturn for them, but it was going to be nothing but a nightmare for them
to do any such thing themselves anyways for this given tourist city in Cali.

SD Smart City Drama Reel:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=san+diego+smart+city+cameras+streetlight=ffab=web

-mb


On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 4:04 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
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> may I ...
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Cities-Dummies-Computer-Tech/dp/111967994X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=smart+cities+for+dummies=8-1
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 04:00:44 PM MST, Michael Butash via
> PLUG-discuss  wrote:
>
>
> >> I've only lived in AZ except for a stint in the military.  I've only
> had
> >> a couple good managers.  Most others where in over their head.
>
> Most often my experience too, particularly in AZ.  Entrenched/clueless
> leadership often enough, then combine entrenched vendors (think cisco,
> microsoft, oracle), fight club between internal silos of organizations,
> lack of strong technical leadership, lack of strong technical anyone,
> people run too thin, people that simple hate their lives and thus
> everything suffers, everything in between, but there's any number of
> reasons I find when doing these gigs.
>
> Start overlapping them like a weird 3d venn diagram, and the problems
> stack like mad.
>
> Observing enough different industries from IT and management perspectives,
> one can apply dysfunctions like stereotypes if you've sampled enough of
> them, and after 24 or so years in over 120 unique organizations/agencies
> tinkering with their networks that run everything, it's not hard to do with
> some accuracy.
>
> >> If AZ is so bad then why is all this tech choosing AZ?
>
> Supposedly cheap resources in 2001-ish, but that certainly isn't the case
> anymore.  Access to "cheap" labor never really works out either unless just
> for call centers or manufacturing, otherwise AZ pay isn't that
> significantly worse than Cali anymore.
>
> There have been a lot of subsidies with local muni's over the years, such
> as the Price area, but the pull isn't as strong as was expected, and still
> really hasn't.  I've worked in or know of much of the larger IT-based
> things like the data centers and semiconductor vendors down there, but
> nothing exciting, and usually just corporate people, call centers, or
> manufacturing of various levels that wanted cheap labor for lesser jobs.
>
> You go to AMEX's corporate up on 101, it's like walking into an office in
> Bangalore.  That's their solution to dealing with Arizonans, but hey,
> they'll still take those tax subsidies from here!
>
> >> Yes water is an issue.  And when I think of data centers in Phoenix
> >> during the summer...
>
> Most major businesses (and government) tend to build small data 

Re: Phoenix is emerging as the city of the future

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

.  Especially
> since there is resistance to returning to the office. AND I have read
> there is a trend towards using 1099's because they can be rented for
> just the period they are needed.
>
> I personally would never want to work W2 with a boss and coworkers..
> Being self employed comes with it's challenges as well.
>
> Could be an interesting decade ahead of us. Exciting!!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2023-06-22 13:04, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Meh, I've heard this since the dot.bomb implosion of 2000, when I
> > happened to move back from silicon valley at the beginning of 2001
> > with everything going under there.  Seemed like half of Cali moved
> > here with me after, and tons of like speculation at the time of a
> > Silicon Desert.  While I think AZ has grown tons since, there's never
> > been a mad rush to redefine itself as a technological behemoth in
> > anything other than Data Centers here, that's only because of the lack
> > of natural disasters (at least until we run the groundwater dry now).
> >
> > Not to make this incendiary, but FWIW spending 2 years in Silicon
> > Valley and the next 21 years to now here, Arizona is a damn weird
> > place to work in IT, and a lot of folks that have moved here say the
> > same.  The lack of modern internet or technology orgs means it's
> > mostly a lot of clueless legacy orgs dragged kicking and screaming
> > into the 21st century, meaning they're mostly technologically inept at
> > the core, and treat it as an afterthought to their business as it
> > literally was.  Any "mega tech" orgs we do have like Motorola, Intel,
> > Honeywell, Cox/Lumen, etc, even Godaddy now are so dated they operate
> > just as dysfunctionally.
> >
> > Old businesses, particularly across industries like hospitality
> > (hotels, etc), hospitals, education, manufacturing, foods, even
> > government all started off with paper, moved up to telephones, then
> > fax, and were eventually dragged into computers to the point now they
> > can't live without them, woefully and painfully.  Almost every
> > organization in AZ I've worked for is particularly OLD like that with
> > TONS of legacy debt, typically have the old help desk guy (or worse,
> > owner's kid) that hung around 20 years and finally got promoted to
> > network manager, even though still barely know basic servers, they've
> > no idea of linux, networks, clouds, security, and even more so, no
> > PASSION for technology.  Eventually org's realize they're floundering,
> > and start hiring new CxO's and managers, but with the blind leading
> > the blind, they hire terrible people that run the business terribly,
> > and still never get out of the rut.  I see this more often than not in
> > Arizona, even in modern technology born here or when non-Arizona
> > businesses operate out of here, they end up afflicted and seem dragged
> > down to such a level like something in the water.
> >
> > My guts say now if an org ANYWHERE wasn't borne of technology, ie. the
> > Googles, Fakebooks, Linkedin (before M$, grr), etc that are BUILT
> > around technology for technology's sake, they're just always going to
> > be on the upside down for any real technological workplace in any
> > capacity and probably pretty miserable to work at ultimately.  I've
> > also worked for highly dysfunctional silicon valley and other hotspot
> > orgs since too, it's a disease without boundaries - you just never
> > know.
> >
> > After a now ~24 year career in IT where all but one I was as a senior
> > engineer/architect/consultant capacity for over 120 different
> > businesses in AZ and all over the US, I can usually tell you how bad a
> > business is by what they sell or do, or at very least a well-weighted
> > guess.  My friends always ask me about places they're considering as
> > they know I'm more right than wrong.  A few months back a friend of
> > mine working here on H1B from India with a similar temperament to me
> > asked me what *good* places there were in Arizona as we both hated our
> > last gigs here, and I simply told him "nowhere, run away".  He just
> > bought a house in RTP, after the past 5 years of gigs here in AZ
> > coming from Austin, he believed me.
> >
> > I know, I probably sound pretty jaded at this point with the industry
> > and particularly with AZ for technology gigs, and certainly am.  If
> > not for AZ being what I've mostly always called home, I'd bail on it
> > too for lack of hope.  I just simply consider now by default Arizona
> > orgs are very likely backward-operated and bar

Re: Phoenix is emerging as the city of the future

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Meh, I've heard this since the dot.bomb implosion of 2000, when I happened
to move back from silicon valley at the beginning of 2001 with everything
going under there.  Seemed like half of Cali moved here with me after, and
tons of like speculation at the time of a Silicon Desert.  While I think AZ
has grown tons since, there's never been a mad rush to redefine itself as a
technological behemoth in anything other than Data Centers here, that's
only because of the lack of natural disasters (at least until we run the
groundwater dry now).

Not to make this incendiary, but FWIW spending 2 years in Silicon Valley
and the next 21 years to now here, Arizona is a damn weird place to work in
IT, and a lot of folks that have moved here say the same.  The lack of
modern internet or technology orgs means it's mostly a lot of clueless
legacy orgs dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, meaning
they're mostly technologically inept at the core, and treat it as an
afterthought to their business as it literally was.  Any "mega tech" orgs
we do have like Motorola, Intel, Honeywell, Cox/Lumen, etc, even Godaddy
now are so dated they operate just as dysfunctionally.

Old businesses, particularly across industries like hospitality (hotels,
etc), hospitals, education, manufacturing, foods, even government all
started off with paper, moved up to telephones, then fax, and were
eventually dragged into computers to the point now they can't live without
them, woefully and painfully.  Almost every organization in AZ I've worked
for is particularly OLD like that with TONS of legacy debt, typically have
the old help desk guy (or worse, owner's kid) that hung around 20 years and
finally got promoted to network manager, even though still barely know
basic servers, they've no idea of linux, networks, clouds, security, and
even more so, no PASSION for technology.  Eventually org's realize they're
floundering, and start hiring new CxO's and managers, but with the blind
leading the blind, they hire terrible people that run the business
terribly, and still never get out of the rut.  I see this more often than
not in Arizona, even in modern technology born here or when non-Arizona
businesses operate out of here, they end up afflicted and seem dragged down
to such a level like something in the water.

My guts say now if an org ANYWHERE wasn't borne of technology, ie. the
Googles, Fakebooks, Linkedin (before M$, grr), etc that are BUILT around
technology for technology's sake, they're just always going to be on the
upside down for any real technological workplace in any capacity and
probably pretty miserable to work at ultimately.  I've also worked for
highly dysfunctional silicon valley and other hotspot orgs since too, it's
a disease without boundaries - you just never know.

After a now ~24 year career in IT where all but one I was as a senior
engineer/architect/consultant capacity for over 120 different businesses in
AZ and all over the US, I can usually tell you how bad a business is by
what they sell or do, or at very least a well-weighted guess.  My friends
always ask me about places they're considering as they know I'm more right
than wrong.  A few months back a friend of mine working here on H1B from
India with a similar temperament to me asked me what *good* places there
were in Arizona as we both hated our last gigs here, and I simply told him
"nowhere, run away".  He just bought a house in RTP, after the past 5 years
of gigs here in AZ coming from Austin, he believed me.

I know, I probably sound pretty jaded at this point with the industry and
particularly with AZ for technology gigs, and certainly am.  If not for AZ
being what I've mostly always called home, I'd bail on it too for lack of
hope.  I just simply consider now by default Arizona orgs are very likely
backward-operated and barely worth my personal investment, regardless of
hyperbole like this article as I've heard it all before and again.  Thus I
just deal with most gigs in short contracts on an in and out basis before I
get too punchy with the silly politics and drama.

-mb



On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 9:01 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Came upon this article that sounds interesting.
> https://www.axios.com/2023/06/21/phoenix-chips-cars
>
> I posted an article a while ago about a class that was being offered to
> teach chip making skills (if I recall correctly).
>
> Any thoughts on how this will help/effect Linux folks... Open Source
> people... etc?
>
> Are we going to become Austin, TX where I hear the city is over
> populated... freeways are over crowed... etc?
>
> Is there a shift from Silicon Valley?
>
> How is this going to effect us?  What are the opportunities?
>
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Re: Windoze licenses, "Bring us your Poor" edition

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

That's odd, must be hosted on Azure getting DDoS'd all week.

There are a lot of places, some quick googling many sell these, but I've
never not been able to buy from gkeys before.

Microsoft probably DDoS's these vendors tinkering with their profits and
exploiting loopholes for their OEM licenses.  Goddamn them, but who tracks
these things.  Hmm.

-mb


On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 6:29 PM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Argh.  gkeys24 seems to be down.  Do you have an alternate source?  I'd
> like to make a VM 'legal' by M$ standards (bah, humbug!) ;-)
>
>
> On 6/15/23 18:22, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > So interestingly enough, if/when I need windoze, I often buy from a place
> > like THIS, as a method of getting Windoze officially licensed, flat
> cheap.
> > <
> http://mail.sendmailco.com/index.php/campaigns/tb637ap0sybfa/track-url/gv224svhyh867/11430a51e55c5971d23f31e2e7ede8b0f9331165
> >
> > It updates itself, never had a problem, and simply just works.
> >
> > As it turns out, Microsoft will sell to the lowest bidder too, ie. those
> > that can't sell $200 licenses in their global economy, when all you got
> is
> > $1.54USD and as good as it gets, they will take it greedily still.
> >
> > Break this down; If you're in the US and well to do, they'll take your
> $200
> > licensing per copy of windoze, but if you're broke, we'll take Pennies on
> > the dollar too, and won't even sue you for piracy.
> >
> > What's to stop you from buying licenses offshow for a massive discount?
> > Hmm.
> >
> > Mind you, these places sell this at a profit too selling windoze licenses
> > for something plus on this cost for dollars per license, but if a dumbass
> > shows up to BestBuy to pay $200 too per license, they'll take their cash
> > too at $200 profit.
> >
> > Do yourself a favor, don't pay the microsoft tax, rather exploit their
> own
> > loophole as they intend poor bastards to.
> >
> > I don't resell this service or make cash on it, but rather enjoy the fact
> > they flaunt Microsoft style hypocrisy so flagrantly. I'd be interested to
> > hear opinions on the legality of this, but after watching picking up
> > microsoft tax like a god-given gratuity, I see this as a good thing
> > not-simpleton users as some retribution.
> >
> > I only use windoze keys from here <http://GKeys24.com> for VM's, it's a
> > lovely thing, and get a bit of a kick out of it even knowing some folks
> > actually pay the full amount for windows.
> >
> > -mb
> >
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Re: Windoze licenses, "Bring us your Poor" edition

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Haha, and today I see this.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/chatgpt-generates-windows-11-pro-keys

I laugh ironically at M$ when even AI helps you pirate your poor choice in
OS.  "Well if you must use windoze, here's a key..."

Mostly exploiting the same OEM key vs proper licensing.  Microsoft paved
the way to hell on this one, yet they oddly remain profitable!

-mb


On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 9:00 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> Great input, thanks!
>
> I'm as much as economist as a lawyer, (ie. not, too angry), but love
> exploring these weird corner cases. Most cases my customers are already
> paying for windoze licenses for me, even office, visio, other things I
> might request, but I tend to need them locally on systems, and keep
> windows+visio/project accordingly as vm's myself.  If I ask a company, it's
> like $1000 service catalog fee for office+visio+project+windoze itself.  Or
> I just buy it myself for all out the door $40 and ignore the PHB problems.
>
> If I were a mega corp, I'd exploit these just to do so and see what
> Microsoft does.  I skirt the line of business and personal use, and feel no
> remorse for any wrongs against The Beast Microsoft.  I have to imagine some
> do, I'd love to hear the war stories.
>
> My Microsoft use is mostly educational, running domain software stacks
> that are windoze-only, as I need to interact with products around it in
> literally any enterprise today.   I was pondering buying some server keys
> to build out modern AD (fsmo, gc, ldap, kb5) to test some software
> integration like NAC features (packetfence) and some vendor integrations
> around a "typical" enterprise setting.
>
> I'm not making money on microsoft, just mostly need to understand how
> broken it is when my customer admins ask me what to do with their domain
> crap.  It's not bad to have a small test domain around ala contoso.com
> with accounts to test against for security features, as every poor bastard
> needs windoze around...
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 2:20 PM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_segmentation
>>
>> From a producer perspective, segmentation is GOOD.
>> From a producer perspective producing the Nth copy of a good almost for
>> free is fantastic.
>>
>> But if consumers can ALSO copy and distribute your product at very, very
>> low cost, that is Very Bad.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 11:33 AM AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to chime in here as a long time Windows user (SQL Server DBA), you
>>> technically don't even need a key to run Windows. I run several Windows VMs
>>> in "unactivated" mode and have never run into any issues (I don't really
>>> like "wasting" keys on VMs). Granted that there a few restrictions, such as
>>> being unable to change desktop wallpaper, customize taskbar, etc.
>>> Generally, "look and feel" features. But, you will get all the security
>>> updates and retain full functionality of the O/S and it won't "expire".
>>> Note that this applies to Windows desktop, Windows Server will "expire"
>>> after about four months after which you must reinstall the O/S (total BS
>>> since SQL Server Developer edition is free & never expires, but the license
>>> is for dev purposes only not production use). I have bought keys from
>>> Kinguin.net over the years, but haven't done so it a while. They are legit
>>> keys, but technically they are OEM keys. A bit of a "grey" area, but use
>>> you're own judgement.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/16/2023 7:31 AM, Anthony Radzykewycz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m curious to know if the keys bought off this site would match any
>>> keys found in places like this:
>>> https://gist.github.com/jhermsmeier/5959110. Also, what would be the
>>> liability if you paid for the license and that key was pirated like this?
>>> To be clear, I agree with the advocation of getting these keys as
>>> inexpensively as possible. Just thought I’d throw this out there and maybe
>>> you could do a quick compare just in case.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 7:24 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this Michael!!  If I can get a legit copy of Win10
>>>> and Win11 for cheep I will eventually install on a VM.
>>>>
>>&g

Re: Windoze licenses, "Bring us your Poor" edition

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

These are as far as I have ever been able to tell actual, working
licenses.  I'm on my 3rd copy of use between different devices over
probably 6+ years now, Microsoft blesses my pc still as authentic, so not
like it dies after a few months  or eventually figures itself out.  My
current win10 copy I've used for 2+ years, and still have versions on older
systems I don't use as much anymore, but presume they'd start and update
without issues without going into Pirate Edition mode.

One thing that is a bit otherwise sheisty, I did buy a 2-pack of win10
licenses, used the first, and went to use the second a few weeks later, and
the key no longer worked, but contacting them they did regenerate me a key
that works.  I've also had them give me keys that didn't work immediately
too, but again support will give me new working keys.

I contemplated for a bit on this, wondering just how legal or shady these
are, and went down some rabbit holes of thought.  One thought was they just
randomly try keys until they use some online means of validating them, sell
them as quick as possible, thus if I wait too long they're already DOA.
I'd imagine later MS would put me into Pirate Mode lockdown if so...

Second, I tend to think these are more than likely just sold dirt cheap via
3rd world countries where Microsoft will take what it can get, even pennies
vs. just having Billions of people using the same pirated WinXP copy as it
was in the early 2000's and beholden to inherent insecurity.  Cisco and
other mega manufacturers do this commonly in 2nd and 3rd world nations, as
otherwise no one could afford them legitimately there, but hey stupid
westerners with more money than brains, sure we'll take that $200 windows
license fee!  Obviously they'd rather have $200 than $7, but when you print
money as licenses as they do, copper or paper, it's all cash, and they'll
take what they can get.

Think about that some, how does that make *you* feel?  Makes me want to
crumple a dollar bill and throw it at Microsoft quoting Bricktop from the
movie Snatch: "If I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes
good or not."  Besides, I've more than paid the microsoft tax over the past
30 years for windows licenses on devices I never needed or used with Linux.

I'd love someone to actually explain how these work and what the racket
is.  Other companies do this, I saw another random asian company ad on
lifehacker selling the same win10 keys for like $20 bucks, and an hour
later they had ads for windoze licenses "on sale" for $179.  Something
tells me there would be bloody murder and "Night the Lawyers Attack" if
Best Buy started selling windoze copies for $7.  Knowing is half the
battle, so why pay more?

-mb


On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 7:32 AM Anthony Radzykewycz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I’m curious to know if the keys bought off this site would match any keys
> found in places like this:
> https://gist.github.com/jhermsmeier/5959110. Also, what would be the
> liability if you paid for the license and that key was pirated like this?
> To be clear, I agree with the advocation of getting these keys as
> inexpensively as possible. Just thought I’d throw this out there and maybe
> you could do a quick compare just in case.
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 7:24 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing this Michael!!  If I can get a legit copy of Win10
>> and Win11 for cheep I will eventually install on a VM.
>>
>>
>> On 2023-06-16 04:21, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >> Are the installation discs sufficient to install Win10 on a no-OS
>> > computer (or a Linux computer with some extra space on the root
>> > drive)?
>> >
>> > Yep, you install the iso from microsoft.com [1] so it's legit, vm or
>> > hardware, give it a key during/after install, and off to the races.
>> >
>> > -mb
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 11:15 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:22:08
>> >> -0700
>> >>
>> >>> So interestingly enough, if/when I need windoze, I often buy from a
>> >>> place like THIS, as a method of getting Windoze officially
>> >> licensed,
>> >>> flat cheap.
>> >>>
>> > <
>> http://mail.sendmailco.com/index.php/campaigns/tb637ap0sybfa/track-url/gv224svhyh867/11430a51e55c5971d23f31e2e7ede8b0f9331165
>> >
>> >>> It updates itself, never had a problem, and simply just works.
>> >>
>> >> Are these legitimate licenses, or Far-East knockoffs?
>> >>
&

Re: Windoze licenses, "Bring us your Poor" edition

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

> Are the installation discs sufficient to install Win10 on a no-OS
computer (or a Linux computer with some extra space on the root drive)?

Yep, you install the iso from microsoft.com so it's legit, vm or hardware,
give it a key during/after install, and off to the races.

-mb


On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 11:15 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:22:08 -0700
>
> >So interestingly enough, if/when I need windoze, I often buy from a
> >place like THIS, as a method of getting Windoze officially licensed,
> >flat cheap.
> ><
> http://mail.sendmailco.com/index.php/campaigns/tb637ap0sybfa/track-url/gv224svhyh867/11430a51e55c5971d23f31e2e7ede8b0f9331165
> >
> >It updates itself, never had a problem, and simply just works.
>
> Are these legitimate licenses, or Far-East knockoffs?
>
> Are the installation discs sufficient to install Win10 on a no-OS
> computer (or a Linux computer with some extra space on the root drive)?
>
> Can you install these as Qemu guests on my Linux computer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: Windoze licenses, "Bring us your Poor" edition

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I've been using these on several vm's over the years without issues, full
updates, etc.  Microsoft tells me they're legit, so good with me.

There's some argument if it's entirely legal, like buying region locked
dvd's and games, but fully functional and I lose no sleep.  I use them with
visio and project keys I also get there on the cheap ($20 vs $600 in the
US), which are the real reasons I'm usually using windoze at all.

-mb


On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 11:15 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:22:08 -0700
>
> >So interestingly enough, if/when I need windoze, I often buy from a
> >place like THIS, as a method of getting Windoze officially licensed,
> >flat cheap.
> ><
> http://mail.sendmailco.com/index.php/campaigns/tb637ap0sybfa/track-url/gv224svhyh867/11430a51e55c5971d23f31e2e7ede8b0f9331165
> >
> >It updates itself, never had a problem, and simply just works.
>
> Are these legitimate licenses, or Far-East knockoffs?
>
> Are the installation discs sufficient to install Win10 on a no-OS
> computer (or a Linux computer with some extra space on the root drive)?
>
> Can you install these as Qemu guests on my Linux computer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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Windoze licenses, "Bring us your Poor" edition

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

So interestingly enough, if/when I need windoze, I often buy from a place
like THIS, as a method of getting Windoze officially licensed, flat cheap.

It updates itself, never had a problem, and simply just works.

As it turns out, Microsoft will sell to the lowest bidder too, ie. those
that can't sell $200 licenses in their global economy, when all you got is
$1.54USD and as good as it gets, they will take it greedily still.

Break this down; If you're in the US and well to do, they'll take your $200
licensing per copy of windoze, but if you're broke, we'll take Pennies on
the dollar too, and won't even sue you for piracy.

What's to stop you from buying licenses offshow for a massive discount?
Hmm.

Mind you, these places sell this at a profit too selling windoze licenses
for something plus on this cost for dollars per license, but if a dumbass
shows up to BestBuy to pay $200 too per license, they'll take their cash
too at $200 profit.

Do yourself a favor, don't pay the microsoft tax, rather exploit their own
loophole as they intend poor bastards to.

I don't resell this service or make cash on it, but rather enjoy the fact
they flaunt Microsoft style hypocrisy so flagrantly. I'd be interested to
hear opinions on the legality of this, but after watching picking up
microsoft tax like a god-given gratuity, I see this as a good thing
not-simpleton users as some retribution.

I only use windoze keys from here  for VM's, it's a
lovely thing, and get a bit of a kick out of it even knowing some folks
actually pay the full amount for windows.

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Re: r u familiar with Docker?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

> How many variables can there be?

Normally not something you consider, but under attack, this comes down to
standard networking tuples.  Source ip, source port, destination ip,
destination port, and protocol (tcp, udp, icmp, etc).

Sadly most folks don't think about it like this, but anyone that admins
security, firewalls, or cloud acls does.  Again, this to that.  Those
5-step tuples of info are primarily for things like netflow reporting and
others that do network management, reporting, and the like.

Add in things like firewall or ddos prevention (think cloudflare, prolexic,
like), this is what they act upon volumetrically.  Thread the needle port
to port to get public to your resource, verify integrity in-path.  Working
for service providers years ago taught me about what DDoS can do to you,
and how to prevent such things if possible volumetrically.

It's really just a matter of making sure dns, port access, and whatever
inspection you want works on ingress.  If something else blasts you,
redirect accordingly.

Take for example Microsoft was getting DDoS'd across all services last week
<https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/06/13/microsoft_azure_ddos/>,
they're literally blasting destination port/protocol services to deny
service to take Azure entirely down at the management portal level.  Blast
a destination port/ip/dns service enough, it all crumbles, but this is what
is required to run public services these days.

-mb


On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 10:17 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> One cannot downplay the importance of things like this today, particularly
> with k8s and various iterations of it around docker.  NAT is not a foreign
> concept, or shouldn't be in 2023.
>
> I remember working in Silicon Valley circa 1999 and no one had firewalls.
> Our call center was on public ip's, and then we were getting hacked because
> the company at the time had no clue of security.  I led an effort to
> install blackice pirated (not for commercial use!) across all call center
> computers to affect change, but gave up and left the company shortly
> thereafter as they obviously didn't "get it".
>
> Docker is meant to separate network environments via nat for very good
> reason.  It creates a controllable ingress point, and can thus be run
> through as stringent an inspection as desired, or not.  This to That port
> translations are meant to be a checkpoint of acknowledgement of traffic and
> thus inspection, as much or little as you want at that point.
>
> Case in point, Fortigate firewalls are lit up this week for again exposing
> their arse to the internet insecurely.  Their sslvpn application that
> expects to be publicly accessible is easily hacked, and thus every
> fortigate that didn't patch in the first day is owned.
>
> If you forward ports, do so with reasonable intent and acknowledgement of
> doing so in a secure fashion.  Otherwise don't forward the goddamn port, or
> let dumb things do so on your behalf without reasonable understanding.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 8:55 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the pep talk, Michael. :-)
>>
>> I was heavily involved in networking and all that stuff back in the 80’s
>> and so I can say that I do understand it … or at least did at one point.
>> But for the past 20 years I’ve worked in environments where there was an IT
>> Dept that was always there handling things — even simple things. So I’ve
>> lost touch with all of the different layers and levels of indirection that
>> are involved today.
>>
>> I built this service following a guide laid out by a guy who I assume
>> knows what he’s talking about, but he says it just connects to either
>> localhost or a local IP (192.168.x.y). I’ve gotten lost in situations when
>> people show examples or create tutorials that are really only designed to
>> run within a local environment, and when you ask about “opening them up”,
>> you’re told, “Oh, that’s outside the scope of this material”. This guy
>> offered to let me hire him for his “typical hourly rate” to help get the
>> service I built — following his detailed instructions — working on a remote
>> host. He said, “there are just too many variables involved”. In my mind,
>> it’s a vanilla Windows Server 2016 running on a VPN hosting a service built
>> according to his plans. How many variables can there be?
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2023, at 5:32 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> As a "network guy", i.e. someone operating at layer 1-4 mostly, I would
>> say you need to understand networkin

Re: r u familiar with Docker?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

One cannot downplay the importance of things like this today, particularly
with k8s and various iterations of it around docker.  NAT is not a foreign
concept, or shouldn't be in 2023.

I remember working in Silicon Valley circa 1999 and no one had firewalls.
Our call center was on public ip's, and then we were getting hacked because
the company at the time had no clue of security.  I led an effort to
install blackice pirated (not for commercial use!) across all call center
computers to affect change, but gave up and left the company shortly
thereafter as they obviously didn't "get it".

Docker is meant to separate network environments via nat for very good
reason.  It creates a controllable ingress point, and can thus be run
through as stringent an inspection as desired, or not.  This to That port
translations are meant to be a checkpoint of acknowledgement of traffic and
thus inspection, as much or little as you want at that point.

Case in point, Fortigate firewalls are lit up this week for again exposing
their arse to the internet insecurely.  Their sslvpn application that
expects to be publicly accessible is easily hacked, and thus every
fortigate that didn't patch in the first day is owned.

If you forward ports, do so with reasonable intent and acknowledgement of
doing so in a secure fashion.  Otherwise don't forward the goddamn port, or
let dumb things do so on your behalf without reasonable understanding.

-mb


On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 8:55 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the pep talk, Michael. :-)
>
> I was heavily involved in networking and all that stuff back in the 80’s
> and so I can say that I do understand it … or at least did at one point.
> But for the past 20 years I’ve worked in environments where there was an IT
> Dept that was always there handling things — even simple things. So I’ve
> lost touch with all of the different layers and levels of indirection that
> are involved today.
>
> I built this service following a guide laid out by a guy who I assume
> knows what he’s talking about, but he says it just connects to either
> localhost or a local IP (192.168.x.y). I’ve gotten lost in situations when
> people show examples or create tutorials that are really only designed to
> run within a local environment, and when you ask about “opening them up”,
> you’re told, “Oh, that’s outside the scope of this material”. This guy
> offered to let me hire him for his “typical hourly rate” to help get the
> service I built — following his detailed instructions — working on a remote
> host. He said, “there are just too many variables involved”. In my mind,
> it’s a vanilla Windows Server 2016 running on a VPN hosting a service built
> according to his plans. How many variables can there be?
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2023, at 5:32 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> As a "network guy", i.e. someone operating at layer 1-4 mostly, I would
> say you need to understand networking first.  So few developers and system
> folk do, and thus struggle in today's day and age around basic networking
> functions in a cloud world.  It's some basic tradition of "when a packet in
> a pocket hits a socket" like a childhood rhyme that goes unheard, and
> really should if you call yourself a self-respecting developer today or the
> past 20 years.
>
> Understanding basic Layer 1-7 of the network OSI model is the key.
>
> Docker relies heavily on NAT and IP routing between systems.  Even
> installing a typical web/app/db stack requires local socket interaction
> between devices using the same networking - perhaps start with this first
> and understand local socket connections to 127.0.0.1 first.  Then move into
> docker and IProute2 namespace separation with Docker and like
> technologies.  If you understand how a firewall works, this isn't that much
> more complex.
>
> Keeping a consistent control plane between applications (again web/app/db)
> and basic ip reachability isn't too hard when you understand vlans and
> networking, maybe extending into overlay tech like Zerotier and Tailscale
> for apps to talk to each other, securely, and across
> clouds/networks/domains in general.
>
> I could give a whole "In the beginning.." speech, but best you simply
> learn some networking first.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:19 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Right now I just want to be able to run my web app on my phone and have
>> it access my back-end service remotely.
>>
>> I’m just having a challenge getting that "signal chain” set up and
>> working. I know what it’

Re: r u familiar with Docker?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Agreed, Docker is a runtime isolation for applications with a fully
containerized approach for things running within them.  Networking is
entirely integral to this, so you need to understand ip addressing, nat,
tcp/udp ports, route table isolation (namespaces), things like that if
playing.

That said, port forwarding is something as old as the internet and the
advent of firewalls.  In theory you have a full stack of software you
launch in the same container and network namespace, they all communicate
internally, and you only present a web UI or interface layer outside said
namespace to the world despite whatever ports the applications use within
the container openly. Web to app, app to db, like conversations are open,
but only the public web port pokes its head outside via docker nat.  Those
ports need to be forwarded accordingly via whatever means, either
internally routable IP space, or port forwarding via firewall/load-balancer
means.

If you've ever had to wrapper a web app on a weird port with apache/nginx
for ssl access via a standard 443 port, or ever done load-balancers,
similar approach.  I can draw countless examples, but will fall short
without an understanding of basic tcp/udp sockets and port forwarding.

Portainer, minikube, things like that make docker a bit more manageable for
us layfolk, but you still need to grok the concepts in play.  Personally it
helped to deploy and see how it worked, not unlike network VRF's in use for
the past 20 years with firewall/nat layers between, but I also came from a
network background vs. system/app folks working backward.

-mb




On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 6:13 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Docker is not a true VM. And to Mike's point it has a very tight network
> layer to keep the containers from pooping on each other.
>
> If you want a visual, portainer was a Handy tool for this.
>
> There is some really solid docker documentation out there and walk
> throughs.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:33 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> As a "network guy", i.e. someone operating at layer 1-4 mostly, I would
>> say you need to understand networking first.  So few developers and system
>> folk do, and thus struggle in today's day and age around basic networking
>> functions in a cloud world.  It's some basic tradition of "when a packet in
>> a pocket hits a socket" like a childhood rhyme that goes unheard, and
>> really should if you call yourself a self-respecting developer today or the
>> past 20 years.
>>
>> Understanding basic Layer 1-7 of the network OSI model is the key.
>>
>> Docker relies heavily on NAT and IP routing between systems.  Even
>> installing a typical web/app/db stack requires local socket interaction
>> between devices using the same networking - perhaps start with this first
>> and understand local socket connections to 127.0.0.1 first.  Then move into
>> docker and IProute2 namespace separation with Docker and like
>> technologies.  If you understand how a firewall works, this isn't that much
>> more complex.
>>
>> Keeping a consistent control plane between applications (again
>> web/app/db) and basic ip reachability isn't too hard when you understand
>> vlans and networking, maybe extending into overlay tech like Zerotier and
>> Tailscale for apps to talk to each other, securely, and across
>> clouds/networks/domains in general.
>>
>> I could give a whole "In the beginning.." speech, but best you simply
>> learn some networking first.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:19 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Right now I just want to be able to run my web app on my phone and have
>>> it access my back-end service remotely.
>>>
>>> I’m just having a challenge getting that "signal chain” set up and
>>> working. I know what it’s supposed to be in theory; it’s just not as easy
>>> as plugging a wire between a couple of sockets.
>>>
>>> Docker is optional.
>>>
>>> How can I do something like a "signal trace” in Windows?
>>>
>>> -David Schwartz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Docker should be an inside to outside port mapping for your
>>> application.  The outside port maps needs to reflect your firewall, load
>>> balancer, or whatever forwards traffic to it as the destination.
>>>
>>> [internet]-[firewall]-[host]-[docker] - y

Re: r u familiar with Docker?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

As a "network guy", i.e. someone operating at layer 1-4 mostly, I would say
you need to understand networking first.  So few developers and system folk
do, and thus struggle in today's day and age around basic networking
functions in a cloud world.  It's some basic tradition of "when a packet in
a pocket hits a socket" like a childhood rhyme that goes unheard, and
really should if you call yourself a self-respecting developer today or the
past 20 years.

Understanding basic Layer 1-7 of the network OSI model is the key.

Docker relies heavily on NAT and IP routing between systems.  Even
installing a typical web/app/db stack requires local socket interaction
between devices using the same networking - perhaps start with this first
and understand local socket connections to 127.0.0.1 first.  Then move into
docker and IProute2 namespace separation with Docker and like
technologies.  If you understand how a firewall works, this isn't that much
more complex.

Keeping a consistent control plane between applications (again web/app/db)
and basic ip reachability isn't too hard when you understand vlans and
networking, maybe extending into overlay tech like Zerotier and Tailscale
for apps to talk to each other, securely, and across
clouds/networks/domains in general.

I could give a whole "In the beginning.." speech, but best you simply learn
some networking first.

-mb


On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:19 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Right now I just want to be able to run my web app on my phone and have it
> access my back-end service remotely.
>
> I’m just having a challenge getting that "signal chain” set up and
> working. I know what it’s supposed to be in theory; it’s just not as easy
> as plugging a wire between a couple of sockets.
>
> Docker is optional.
>
> How can I do something like a "signal trace” in Windows?
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> Docker should be an inside to outside port mapping for your application.
> The outside port maps needs to reflect your firewall, load balancer, or
> whatever forwards traffic to it as the destination.
>
> [internet]-[firewall]-[host]-[docker] - you want to thread the needle of
> ports.  This to That.
>
> If you don't want public facing ports for security reasons, vpn like
> openvpn or an overlay like zerotier/tailscale is recommended.
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 2:03 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I’m looking for someone familiar with Docker who can help me out a little
>> bit.
>>
>> I’m working on an app with a REST-based web service that I’ve been
>> building inside of a VM (VirtualBox) running Win 10. I’m having trouble
>> getting the service part working on a remote server, and someone suggested
>> using Docker to isolate it and get it running inside of the VM first, then
>> copy it to the remote server. The remote server is also Windows based,
>> obviously.
>>
>> I’m having trouble getting all of the IPs and ports and holes in the
>> firewall aligned so I can reach it from outside the server.
>>
>> Right now I probably don’t _need_ Docker, although it could be helpful at
>> some point when I’ll need to scale-up, so I’m not even really committed to
>> using it other than it might be easier to set it up inside of the VM and
>> make everything work there first.
>>
>> (As much as I’d like to build the service to run on Linux, one of the
>> libraries I’m using is not set up for Linux yet, so it’s not an option at
>> this time. The vendor says they might support Linux at some point in the
>> future.)
>>
>> Anyway, I’m just looking to see if anybody might be able to help me get
>> my service code running on a remote Windows server that’s accessible from
>> elsewhere. (The code itself runs on the server, I just can’t reach it from
>> the outside, which is the whole point of having it there.)
>>
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: r u familiar with Docker?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Docker should be an inside to outside port mapping for your application.
The outside port maps needs to reflect your firewall, load balancer, or
whatever forwards traffic to it as the destination.

[internet]-[firewall]-[host]-[docker] - you want to thread the needle of
ports.  This to That.

If you don't want public facing ports for security reasons, vpn like
openvpn or an overlay like zerotier/tailscale is recommended.

-mb



On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 2:03 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I’m looking for someone familiar with Docker who can help me out a little
> bit.
>
> I’m working on an app with a REST-based web service that I’ve been
> building inside of a VM (VirtualBox) running Win 10. I’m having trouble
> getting the service part working on a remote server, and someone suggested
> using Docker to isolate it and get it running inside of the VM first, then
> copy it to the remote server. The remote server is also Windows based,
> obviously.
>
> I’m having trouble getting all of the IPs and ports and holes in the
> firewall aligned so I can reach it from outside the server.
>
> Right now I probably don’t _need_ Docker, although it could be helpful at
> some point when I’ll need to scale-up, so I’m not even really committed to
> using it other than it might be easier to set it up inside of the VM and
> make everything work there first.
>
> (As much as I’d like to build the service to run on Linux, one of the
> libraries I’m using is not set up for Linux yet, so it’s not an option at
> this time. The vendor says they might support Linux at some point in the
> future.)
>
> Anyway, I’m just looking to see if anybody might be able to help me get my
> service code running on a remote Windows server that’s accessible from
> elsewhere. (The code itself runs on the server, I just can’t reach it from
> the outside, which is the whole point of having it there.)
>
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
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Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

> QUESTION?
>
> I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is located
> in Taiwan .  Where did they get that technology and who paid for that
> technology?

Being old enough to be there and experience the start of mass-production of
copy/duplicate/counterfeit goods in the late 70's and 80's, I'd say it all
started with "Made in Taiwan" goods.

>From my perspective from childhood on, it was in the form of knock-off
toys, brand name fashions, CD's, tools, you name it, it was everywhere new
and used, and it was all "Made in Taiwan". Not sure if it was them simply
getting the impetus to clone our stuff, or someone surreptitiously asking
them to do so to undercut established brands from here.  Either way, it set
off the flood into our domestic markets for crapgadgets.

Taiwan goods were always just a bit crappier, sort of mislabled, would
always break early if not out of box, would never fit quite right, but hey
it was a fraction of the price! In my teens my focus was tools growing up
to be a mechanic, and buying second-hand goods would always see a direct
clone of a $100 "Snap-On" brand high-end wrench as a $5 "Stack-On" clone
from Taiwan. Harbor Freight made a name and business selling knock-off
American "Chicago Pneumatic" tools as "Central Pneumatic" (many others
too), all Made in Taiwan (now China), and still does.

In the 80's, US orgs began asking Taiwan to actually make these things for
us including eventually semiconductors for us, even giving them the plans,
when they already had the clone game down pimp tight.  That's about the
time China took over and now frowns upon mentioning Taiwan as anything
other than China, thus generically everything is "Made in China" since then.

As we sent our engineering designs there to get bargains in production, and
taught them how to make our things including the machinery. Eventually
those copies as part of reverse engineering became prototypes, continued to
be made and improved on, if not in quality, in profit margins to make them
cheaper, even eventually adapting into new products. As it was always
explained to me, it starts with them making "one for me, then one for
themselves", and later "one for me, two for themselves", ad nauseam.

Next thing you know you have Coach purses rolling out of the same factory
as the Couch purses that look the same sold in swap meets and alleyways
around the world, barely indistinguishable except the receipt.  Even worse
now, you get things like selling counterfeit Cisco switches to everything
from government to education

using modchips to bypass security on the clone
,
or buying pretty much anything of Amazon is likely a counterfeit clone of a
clone of a clone.

Who's to blame indeed...

-mb


On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 3:29 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's
> > just someone drumming up support for something.  In this case, we'll
> > probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs
> > get all the people they need, etc.  Same deal as when I was working at
> > a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of
> > the new employees because they didn't have a structure that worked
> > with professionals.  Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview
> > on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough
> > workers.  At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to drive down
> > labor costs.  And with the halts for new housing going out, there is a
> > LOT of incentive to manipulate the market.
> >
> > Am I being paranoid?  I probably need to touch more grass.
>
> Are you getting too paranoid?  Maybe not.  I quit following the news
> because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and working on
> the real problems.
>
> I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think they are
> necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then why is
> there not a few major tech universities?  Why does Gates exploit the H1B
> and not create a really great tech university?  And why do the
> politicians allow all of this?
>
> We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we not do
> things that benefit ourselves and possibly others?
>
> These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten where
> they came from.
>
> QUESTION?
>
> I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is located
> in Taiwan .  Where did they get that technology and who paid for that
> technology?
>
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  I've read that

Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Most Southeast Asian (SEA) countries' standards of work hours would horrify
most Americans if applied, but same as there (likely) will be no canings
here, labor laws tend to frown on mandating 60 hour work weeks.  Of course
they will frown on the lazy American's "only" working 40 hours a week,
taking breaks, or actually paying overtime with a certain
passive-aggressiveness anyways, such is the cost of doing business in
another country with different rules.

Likewise go work for a company, local or other, that has been taken over by
the various Indian outsourcing companies like Wipro, Tata, Infosys, or
others, you'll get a taste of the same SEA feel once they've adequately
metastasized within a company.  There's always huge cultural boundaries
that make those relationships... interesting when applied domestically.

I've heard plenty of horror stories from Intel, Motorola, OnSemi,
Honeywell, and other domestic, even local AZ chip plants, I don't expect
TSMC would be that much worse operating here.

Of course you could always go work for the likes of good old homegrown JP
Morgan (or most any domestic financial org) for the real sweatshop/1984
experience
.
Go 'Murica!

-mb


On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 5:45 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
> sweatshop
>
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Re: How does one make a suggestion to librecalc?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

They have to be in linear sections, or you have to get creative with
formulas or such.  Or if just that weird and discontiguous, manually
grabbing bits with old cut/paste and a mouse click.

You'll want to learn to use at least basic (and not so basic) formulas if
you are at that point.  I use calc a _lot_, sadly spreadsheets are the
lowest common denominator most enterprises understand, but I deal with some
rather large data sets at time I need to pick and choose from, akin to your
"multiple selection" analogy to create some unique resultant data set, and
so I have to use formula's to match cells in some way, form the data with a
concatenate, and then produce a single cell of the resultant output.
Similar to programmatically formulating your resultant output in any data
set.

This can be a whole class in itself on how to use formulas in excel/calc
(and usually is), but no time like the present to learn if you work with it
often enough like I do.

-mb


On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 4:51 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I want to copy multiple selections but it won't let me. How do you do it
> if you can?
>
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Re: Need Some Help Configuring OpenVPN

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

>> One question - do you disconnect from ZeroTier each time you quit (i.e. 
>> zerotier-cli
leave), or just leave it connected when you shutdown your computer?
I leave mine connected all the time on normal pc's, on or off.  My phone I
use as needed as it saps the battery much quicker, but great in a pinch if
I want to pull down some music remotely too.

>> Don't know if you have seen these
Hmm, I guess if you're really stuck with *that* shitty of an isp, then
probably a boon for dumb routers, as an old service provider networking
dude I tend to beat and choke the isp to fix it if there's a problem - I'd
recommend to you the same.  If you can't, or they won't, and you won't
relocate somewhere with a better ISP, then so be it - the lovely state of
US telecomms.

Coming from a service provider background, I tend to be persuasive and has
thus served me well with cox when I've had a problem here.  In the 5 years
or so I've had Centurylink, I've never had to call them for an outage, so
as much as I despite them as a crusty old telco, their DSL is still rock
solid.

Glad to hear on Zerotier, I do really love it for my purposes.  Tailscale
is essentially the same, but far more feature rich and the geek in me wants
to use it instead, but also more restrictive (everything is bound to a user
and per-user fee) vs. zerotier that just gives me a 100 nodes to connect as
a free tier.  I wish more enterprises would look at this approach for
client to server networking across disparate networks (and clouds!), but
most of the grumpy slow-moving enterprises I deal with stick their nose up
at the overlay approach (ahem, ever heard of mpls or vxlan?).  It's good
enough for modern companies like Slack that even went so far as to build
their own version in Nebula
<https://slack.engineering/introducing-nebula-the-open-source-global-overlay-network-from-slack/>,
but silly enterprises love paying the Cisco and Palo Alto security vendors
the long dollar still in the name of "standards".  Broken, legacy
standards...

-mb


On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:51 PM Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Thanks for all your good advice!
>
> 1. It seems that the Orbi VPN works out of the box if I use NetworkManager
> (which is the gnome settings panel I mentioned). I just imported the client
> file from my router into NetworkManger, and connected to the VPN and my
> network. The Orbi client contains several certs in the config file and I
> did not need to create my own.
>
> 2. ZeroTier is amazing! In 10 minutes I had three computers on my network
> connected and could access them from off my network (i.e. my phone as a
> hotspot). One question - do you disconnect from ZeroTier each time you quit
> (i.e. zerotier-cli leave), or just leave it connected when you shutdown
> your computer?
>
> 3. The Orbi routers (i.e. Netgear) has a web based interface, and I can
> access that interface from anywhere (on or off my network) using a set of
> login credentials. VPN and ZeroTier not needed. The Orbi routers and APs
> work really well as a mesh network with wired or wifi backhaul.
>
> 4. Don't know if you have seen these -
> https://www.amazon.com/Keep-Connect-Limited-Edition/dp/B09M31MZK5/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2GZHBQVUMKB1Y=keep+connect=1684561692=keep+connec%2Caps%2C151=8-3=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc,
> but they work really well to make my network self-healing. Cox goes up and
> down in my area a lot, and these devices automatically detect when the
> Internet is not working (ping and dns tests), and reboots my router and
> access points when needed.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:41 AM Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> Some comments:
>>
>> >> 1. I believe the client.ovpn file goes into /etc/openvpn/clients -
>> correct?
>> This is variable, depending on how you use your client.  I'd say 99% of
>> the time you'll want to use NetworkManager to do so, install the
>> network-manager ovpn plugin and reproduce those settings as these are
>> outside those client configurations.
>>
>> >> I use Cox as my Internet provider, so the remote x.hopto.org y 
>> >> should
>> take care of my changing IP from Cox. Is that correct? I have an account
>> with no-ip to track my changing IP from Cox.
>> As long as dynamic dns is updating no-ip record, it should, but test with
>> your IP directly if DNS isn't resolving for some reason.
>>
>> >> Should proto also have TCP?
>> Use UDP normally, tcp over tcp is never a good thing (think duplication
>> of syn/ack behavior)
>>
>> >> What should I call this file? Is it enabled by default since it is in
>> the clients folder?
>> This is normally used when daemonizing client in the

Re: Need Some Help Configuring OpenVPN

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Some comments:

>> 1. I believe the client.ovpn file goes into /etc/openvpn/clients -
correct?
This is variable, depending on how you use your client.  I'd say 99% of the
time you'll want to use NetworkManager to do so, install the
network-manager ovpn plugin and reproduce those settings as these are
outside those client configurations.

>> I use Cox as my Internet provider, so the remote x.hopto.org y should
take care of my changing IP from Cox. Is that correct? I have an account
with no-ip to track my changing IP from Cox.
As long as dynamic dns is updating no-ip record, it should, but test with
your IP directly if DNS isn't resolving for some reason.

>> Should proto also have TCP?
Use UDP normally, tcp over tcp is never a good thing (think duplication of
syn/ack behavior)

>> What should I call this file? Is it enabled by default since it is in
the clients folder?
This is normally used when daemonizing client in the OS, such as a
persistent gateway connection (I do this with my firewall, opnsense to
forward selective traffic out my Internet VPN).  You'll want to normally
use NetworkManager as stated above, which uses its own configuration stack.

>> 2. Do I need to set up any special routes on my router to get from the
outside to my server on port 22 for ssh?
When connecting to your router, connect to the internal IP of the router
(ie. 192.168.1.1 or whatever), or setup internal dns for it.

>> 3. In the gnome settings panel there is a VPN drop down under
networking. Do I have to do anything with that?
No idea, haven't used gnome since gnome3 ruined it.  Just use
NetworkManager, it will give you a wizard for setting up openvpn as a
client, and give you an easy task menu icon to turn on/off as any vpn cisco
or other.

>> 4. What command do I use to connect to my server using the vpn? I don't
want to use the VPN when I am on my network at home, just when I travel.
Yet again, use NetworkManager as your client, unless you really want to
invoke it via cli or as a daemon automatically, but these are likely NOT
your use cases.

Another comment re: certificates, not sure how your router contraption
handles ovpn and certificates, you really need a basic Certificate
Authority, and not sure most handle this well.  When I've used ovpn on my
netgear with ddwrt, I used TinyCA to create my own CA trust chain certs
, and generate per-client certs based on
that.  Unless your router is handling the CA and client certificate
creation reasonably, I'd suggest looking at tinyca as well, and just add
the appropriate cert portions in the server and client configs.

TL:DR - Any more, unless your a legacy enterprise stuck in your ways luvin
vpn long time and not up on networking, I'd look at using Zerotier or
Tailscale these days.  I just helped a partner in this same boat trying to
get his accountants into his quickbook server, confused over setting up
even a Cisco Meraki VPN, and rather than even try to troubleshoot Meraki
garbage, I just set him up in a half hour using Zerotier, connected up two
of his own boxes, and the rest of his team easily himself in the next
hour.  No fuss, no muss.

Think of it as VPN without a gateway, rather persistent alway-on VPN
between hosts ala software-defined networking magic, if you want to connect
to your router only, assuming it has or can install Zerotier on it
(opnsense, ddwrt/openwrt do) that is easy, or before my router could do
Zerotier direct, just connect to another box on my zerotier network at
home, and bounce off that as a bastion host.

Someone else mentioned Zerotier here recently - it's money!

HTH!

-mb


On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 8:47 AM Mark Phillips via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I know there are a lot of articles about configuring OpenVPN on the
> Internet, but I am having trouble finding one that fits my situation. I
> believe I have all the pieces, just not sure how to put them all together.
>
> I have a Ubuntu 22.04 laptop connected to my local network with OpenVPN
> installed. I have another Ubuntu 22.04 server on the same network. When I
> travel, I would like to access the server over ssh. My router has OpenVPN
> installed by default, so that seems to be a good solution. I downloaded the
> preconfigured client .ovpn file from the router.
>
> 1. I believe the client.ovpn file goes into /etc/openvpn/clients - correct?
> The client file has this configuration, and then a lot of certificates:
> client
> dev tun
> proto udp
> remote x.hopto.org y  #
> resolv-retry infinite
> nobind
> persist-key
> persist-tun
> I use Cox as my Internet provider, so the remote x.hopto.org y should
> take care of my changing IP from Cox. Is that correct? I have an account
> with no-ip to track my changing IP from Cox.
> Should proto also have TCP?
> What should I call this file? Is it enabled by default since it is in the
> clients folder?
>
> 2. Do I need to set up any special routes on my router to get 

Re: computer recomendations

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I would say Framework has a chromebook edition
 as probably
the "best", but the framework laptop can also be anything else like
windoze/linux, or probably even a hackintosh if you really wanted.  I'm not
sure other chromebooks are convertible to linux or other os if someone say
hated chromeos.

Otherwise I'd say search for "best chromebook 2023
" like this one
 and pick as nice of one
as his budget will allow.

I'd also check buying one off ebay used, chromebooks are probably readily
available from off-lease edu or folks that just didn't like chromeos that
ran back to windoze or mac, and likely cheap/reasonable as I can't imagine
a strong market for them.

-mb


On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 8:45 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> I  got a buddy who needs a new computer. He is retired so only needs
> something for the internet. I am suggesting a chromebook but don't know
> what specs he should look for. What do you guys think?
>
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: Consultants ...

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Well, figure your rough time doing so, pick an hourly rate, and let that
determine your number.  All any consultant does really.  If they can't
afford it, they probably shouldn't be doing business, or tell them you need
a new AC unit for the summer.

I misread your ask, I was thinking you meant to do this as something more
repeatable beyond this gig, ie. doing it for other customers.  I see jokers
pay a lot more than you'll likely charge for worse integration it sounds
like, so why not.  And if repeatable, you probably should, then see my
tl:dr.  :)

-mb




On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:54 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:

> The work is done, though -- LOL ... Did I just short myself a few hundred
> dollars?
> --
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:23 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Those sorts of things you typically would want to do as some sort of
>> Statement of Work (SOW) you build based on some consulting or at least a
>> good grilling session to pick out what they have, what they want, and
>> determine how long you'd need to do it, complete with contingencies. You
>> could do it as a fixed-price and scope, but those never work out well for
>> you mostly, as you'll get caught up in customer BS in just getting straight
>> answers out of most.  If you have a nice, clearly defined template of what
>> the customer needs to provide, including a full list of up-front needs as
>> deliverables, but for either you need to be sure you can get in and out as
>> quickly as you say you can, or both sides will end up losing in the deal.
>>
>> Even if inside your head you just expect them to give you information or
>> *just* create some accounts, you never know what sort of politics and drama
>> you might encounter to delay things.  Go work for a 50+ year old company
>> and see how long anything can possibly take, possibly weeks/months.
>>
>> Best thing you can do is make a timeline as a literal project.  I use MS
>> Project to do so (one of the two M$ apps I love, aside from Visio),
>> breaking out each and every action, request, receipt of request
>> fulfillment, deployments, validations, dependencies, the whole works,
>> including both reasonable timelines for completion.  This then provides you
>> a visible project timeline in the form of a Gantt chart even, but you can
>> start with a baseline to then go and provide a list of every request up
>> front to a customer, and let them determine how long they can fulfill each,
>> then you can adjust your SOW, project, and timeline (and project costs)
>> accordingly.  ProjectLibre is OSS and also works as well, plus various
>> online project saas' now, all come with some learning curve, but one more
>> folks in the industry *should* know.
>>
>> If the customer then delays you and thus the project unexpectedly outside
>> your projected and documented timeline, your Statement of Work of course
>> will (ahem, *should*) define and necessitate use of Change Orders they
>> are responsible for in terms of overage costs and know that up front as
>> projections were made on their direct input.  If you did a fixed-bid
>> project, you are thus screwed and eat their delay for whatever reasons.
>>
>> Case in point, my last customer we had a project on the table to move
>> various management services to Okta SSO for same reasons, but the IAM team
>> was a mess that ran it with people coming and quitting as quick, and was in
>> works for 7 months before I finally ran away from the mess, leaving it for
>> their team and some other poor bastard to get around to implementing my
>> documented requests eventually.  At least it was all billable hours as
>> staff aug more than pure consulting, so as they sat on their thumbs, I just
>> went and did other work.  It was the same there for a major network tool
>> they purchased I worked on trying to get ServiceNow integration and Okta
>> between teams.  A week long project could easily become a 6mo to year long
>> thing in some messes of organizations when consulting...
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 10:43 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> To all those who have done contracted technology consulting ... what do
>>> you charge?
>>>
>>> I've been doing work on the side for a local HVAC company, largely
>>> technology administration stuff ... simple stuff ... setup website hosting,
>>> DNS, setup laptops when they need ... nothing terribly hard or tim

Re: Consultants ...

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Those sorts of things you typically would want to do as some sort of
Statement of Work (SOW) you build based on some consulting or at least a
good grilling session to pick out what they have, what they want, and
determine how long you'd need to do it, complete with contingencies. You
could do it as a fixed-price and scope, but those never work out well for
you mostly, as you'll get caught up in customer BS in just getting straight
answers out of most.  If you have a nice, clearly defined template of what
the customer needs to provide, including a full list of up-front needs as
deliverables, but for either you need to be sure you can get in and out as
quickly as you say you can, or both sides will end up losing in the deal.

Even if inside your head you just expect them to give you information or
*just* create some accounts, you never know what sort of politics and drama
you might encounter to delay things.  Go work for a 50+ year old company
and see how long anything can possibly take, possibly weeks/months.

Best thing you can do is make a timeline as a literal project.  I use MS
Project to do so (one of the two M$ apps I love, aside from Visio),
breaking out each and every action, request, receipt of request
fulfillment, deployments, validations, dependencies, the whole works,
including both reasonable timelines for completion.  This then provides you
a visible project timeline in the form of a Gantt chart even, but you can
start with a baseline to then go and provide a list of every request up
front to a customer, and let them determine how long they can fulfill each,
then you can adjust your SOW, project, and timeline (and project costs)
accordingly.  ProjectLibre is OSS and also works as well, plus various
online project saas' now, all come with some learning curve, but one more
folks in the industry *should* know.

If the customer then delays you and thus the project unexpectedly outside
your projected and documented timeline, your Statement of Work of course
will (ahem, *should*) define and necessitate use of Change Orders they are
responsible for in terms of overage costs and know that up front as
projections were made on their direct input.  If you did a fixed-bid
project, you are thus screwed and eat their delay for whatever reasons.

Case in point, my last customer we had a project on the table to move
various management services to Okta SSO for same reasons, but the IAM team
was a mess that ran it with people coming and quitting as quick, and was in
works for 7 months before I finally ran away from the mess, leaving it for
their team and some other poor bastard to get around to implementing my
documented requests eventually.  At least it was all billable hours as
staff aug more than pure consulting, so as they sat on their thumbs, I just
went and did other work.  It was the same there for a major network tool
they purchased I worked on trying to get ServiceNow integration and Okta
between teams.  A week long project could easily become a 6mo to year long
thing in some messes of organizations when consulting...

-mb



On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 10:43 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> To all those who have done contracted technology consulting ... what do
> you charge?
>
> I've been doing work on the side for a local HVAC company, largely
> technology administration stuff ... simple stuff ... setup website hosting,
> DNS, setup laptops when they need ... nothing terribly hard or time
> consuming.
>
> Recently I've grown frustrated with all the manual steps involved with
> setting up a new user account ... Google/M365/LastPass/Adobe ... so I
> decided to dig in for a bit and enable domain federation (SAML/SSO) on them.
>
> To my utter delight, it worked and was fast easier to set up than I
> initially thought.
>
> Now, when i create a new account in Google, an account will be
> automatically provisioned in both LastPass and M365, hooray! In going to
> queen on the same for Adobe DC later today.
>
> My question is ... what do I charge for this? What's reasonable? I'm
> already fairly technically inclined, so it wasn't that difficult for me to
> read the instructions and follow along ... but there was a fair bit of
> PowerShell scripting required on the M365 part, as that work could only be
> done with PowerShell using the AzureAD & MSOnline modules.
>
> I appreciate your input, as this level of work for a customer is a first
> for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
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Re: https://www.zerotier.com/

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I can't say I've ever run into that, I have versions on my filers, rpi's,
and other things that rarely if ever get updates and work just fine over
the years.

-mb



On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:59 PM Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> it's fantastic - the only caveat I've found is that the clients all have
> to be running the same version to see each other. If you need to upgrade
> and site x isn't available to get the update, we've run into a few issues
> getting it updated after the fact.
> Best Regards,
> -Thomas Scott
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 3:47 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> we just started using it at work.
>> thanks for the confirmation we are on a good path
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 12:40:25 PM MST, Michael Butash via
>> PLUG-discuss  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I love zerotier, I've used it for a good 10 years or so now, and
>> recommend it to everyone I know including customers.  It's great as an
>> always on vpn connection betweens hosts and servers.
>>
>> Funny, I was just literally talking to a customer a half-hour ago
>> thanking me again for telling them about zerotier.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:19 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.zerotier.com/
>>
>> Has anyone heard of this and know if it works well?
>> thanks,
>> Greg
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Re: https://www.zerotier.com/

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I love zerotier, I've used it for a good 10 years or so now, and recommend
it to everyone I know including customers.  It's great as an always on vpn
connection betweens hosts and servers.

Funny, I was just literally talking to a customer a half-hour ago thanking
me again for telling them about zerotier.

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> https://www.zerotier.com/
>
> Has anyone heard of this and know if it works well?
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: samsung premature wear on nvme

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

S.M.A.R.T. is hardware level data standard used in disks since the 90's, so
yes.  Most drives will give you some level of "use" data, it's had far more
quantifiable accuracy with nand vs. spinning things using cheap mechanical
bearings and other moving parts that fail prematurely.

-mb


On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 3:30 PM greg zegan  wrote:

> Hello,
>   A quick check on that says this will work on other medium such as sda
> drives.  Is that correct?
> thanks,
> Greg
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 03:12:23 PM MST, Michael Butash via
> PLUG-discuss  wrote:
>
>
> You can get this via smart data output like smartctl under linux, or
> samsung's magician tool in windoze.
>
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106678/how-to-check-the-life-left-in-ssd-or-the-mediums-wear-level
>
> I've got a pair of 980 pro's I've used for a few years now doing full
> raid1/crypto/lvm stack atop them, still only show 2-3% usage on with this,
> so not sure what they screwed up so bad in the 990's.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 2:14 PM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>  Michael, do you know if there is any Linux utility that can report the
> SSD wear levels?
> (I just bought a couple of 2TB Samsung 970 SSD's, and am curious if these
> might also be affected.)
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 12:48 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/samsung-releases-firmware-fix-for-rapid-failure-issue-in-new-990-pro-ssds/
>
> This is pretty sad, I've been a fan of samsung since my first few
> generations of ssd's all died quickly from crucial/micron and adata, never
> really looked back with samsung's wear leveling tech.  There were firmware
> issues with the 980 and linux, and now this, perhaps time to move on.
>
> -mb
>
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Re: samsung premature wear on nvme

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

You can get this via smart data output like smartctl under linux, or
samsung's magician tool in windoze.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106678/how-to-check-the-life-left-in-ssd-or-the-mediums-wear-level

I've got a pair of 980 pro's I've used for a few years now doing full
raid1/crypto/lvm stack atop them, still only show 2-3% usage on with this,
so not sure what they screwed up so bad in the 990's.

-mb


On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 2:14 PM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>  Michael, do you know if there is any Linux utility that can report the
> SSD wear levels?
> (I just bought a couple of 2TB Samsung 970 SSD's, and am curious if these
> might also be affected.)
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 12:48 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/samsung-releases-firmware-fix-for-rapid-failure-issue-in-new-990-pro-ssds/
>>
>> This is pretty sad, I've been a fan of samsung since my first few
>> generations of ssd's all died quickly from crucial/micron and adata, never
>> really looked back with samsung's wear leveling tech.  There were firmware
>> issues with the 980 and linux, and now this, perhaps time to move on.
>>
>> -mb
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samsung premature wear on nvme

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/samsung-releases-firmware-fix-for-rapid-failure-issue-in-new-990-pro-ssds/

This is pretty sad, I've been a fan of samsung since my first few
generations of ssd's all died quickly from crucial/micron and adata, never
really looked back with samsung's wear leveling tech.  There were firmware
issues with the 980 and linux, and now this, perhaps time to move on.

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Re: PiRack ...

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Very cool project, I've watched Geerling's videos on doing that, though if
I could actually buy some cm4's just do the Super6C with the built in
ethernet switch and such.

It's always hokey with vendors, but that's where hp, ibm, cisco, etc shine
with the blade server chassis systems, ala cray from old with scalable
networking.  The hardware side is easy, software not so much, but getting
there now.

-mb



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> Just finished assembly of the UCTronics PiRack. Now comes the hard part
> ... installing the OSes and doing all the configurations.
>
> If you have any questions, let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
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Re: Linux and Intel RST

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

>> How do we uncomplicated all of this stuff.

You pay microsoft, apple, or google to "uncomplicate" it for you.  Pay no
attention to them siphoning everything you do while on their os.

-mb


On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 6:16 PM  wrote:

> Around 1984 or so there was a poster in the Army National Guard building
> in Tucson that read something like "Keep It Simple Stupid" and went on
> to say everything should be at an 8th grade level.
>
> I was first introduced to Linux in 1998... I took my first programming
> course in 1983 at the UofA. I was already out of high school for 8
> years.
>
> I've seen a lot of stuff.  I've watched things become increasingly
> Complicated.  I've mentioned this before. Most will shine me on.
>
> I'm currently a PHP developer.  Over the years I have had my hands in a
> lot of related technologies.
>
> What you describe Michael Butash sounds very complicated. Most things
> today seem to be.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think some advancements are good such as Proxmox
> which I use.
>
> How do we uncomplicated all of this stuff.
>
> -Keith
>
>
>
> On 2023-02-07 16:21, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > That sounds like what they call "fakeraid" using  the rst controller,
> > really there is no need to anymore.  For probably 15 years now i've
> > used two disks in a linux mdraid volume for boot/rest in raid 1 for
> > redundancy, usually a crypt volume with luks atop the rest physical
> > volume, and lvm atop that, with ext4/xfs atop that.  Still do this
> > with nvme disks just fine for a few generations of boxes.
> >
> > I did setup my old desktop as a proxmox box with zfs doing my raid1
> > recently booting entirely off that (super dope, +++ for that), ymmv
> > per distribution, but that's an option as well for handling all the
> > software raid function as well.  Ubuntu server with the deb installer
> > always handled setting up raid/crypt/lvm/fs just fine, haven't in a
> > while personally, but probably still does adequately.  I diy normally
> > with Arch, but it's what drives this laptop I'm typing on currently
> > with a pair of 980pro nvme samsungs doing above.
> >
> > -mb
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 4:04 PM AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Ok, I'm finally very close to being able to go to a full Linux
> >> environment and leave the Microsoft ecosystem. I'm semi-retired and
> >> still do some Microsoft Data Platform work (which was my career). I
> >> recently got a Dell Latitude and put Kubtunu 22.04 on it and managed
> >> to get all my applications, dev tools (many MS tools too!), and
> >> hardware working. I've been down this road before in years past and
> >> Linux on the desktop was always a "no-go" for me. So, I was
> >> *astonished* how easy it was to install Kubuntu and everything just
> >> worked. That's how it must feel to be a Mac person! :)
> >>
> >> However, one of the hurdles with the Dell was that, by default, Dell
> >> configures the BIOS such that the boot drive (NVME in this case) is
> >> set to be in RAID mode instead of AHCI mode, even though there is
> >> only one drive in the system. This caused Ubuntu to simply not boot.
> >> After doing some research I came to find the Ubuntu doesn't support
> >> Intel Rapid Storage Technology (RST), which RAID requires. It was a
> >> simple fix to reconfigure the BIOS into AHCI mode, since I was going
> >> to wipe the Windows partition anyway.
> >>
> >> But, my main production dev box is Win 10 and I have two NVME drives
> >> in a RAID 0 (mirror) configuration (using hardware RAID in the
> >> BIOS). If I want to install Ubuntu I need to be able to implement
> >> this same level of RAID. If Ubuntu doesn't support the Intel RST
> >> hardware, how can I install Ubuntu and have a RAID 0 arrangement?
> >> I'm not looking for a particular answer to the problem just some
> >> suggestions on what to research. LVM? ZFS? Software RAID?
> >>
> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> >> Peter
> >>
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Re: Linux and Intel RST

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

That sounds like what they call "fakeraid" using  the rst controller,
really there is no need to anymore.  For probably 15 years now i've used
two disks in a linux mdraid volume for boot/rest in raid 1 for redundancy,
usually a crypt volume with luks atop the rest physical volume, and lvm
atop that, with ext4/xfs atop that.  Still do this with nvme disks just
fine for a few generations of boxes.

I did setup my old desktop as a proxmox box with zfs doing my raid1
recently booting entirely off that (super dope, +++ for that), ymmv per
distribution, but that's an option as well for handling all the software
raid function as well.  Ubuntu server with the deb installer always handled
setting up raid/crypt/lvm/fs just fine, haven't in a while personally, but
probably still does adequately.  I diy normally with Arch, but it's what
drives this laptop I'm typing on currently with a pair of 980pro nvme
samsungs doing above.

-mb


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plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Ok, I'm finally very close to being able to go to a full Linux environment
> and leave the Microsoft ecosystem. I'm semi-retired and still do some
> Microsoft Data Platform work (which was my career). I recently got a Dell
> Latitude and put Kubtunu 22.04 on it and managed to get all my
> applications, dev tools (many MS tools too!), and hardware working. I've
> been down this road before in years past and Linux on the desktop was
> always a "no-go" for me. So, I was *astonished* how easy it was to install
> Kubuntu and everything just worked. That's how it must feel to be a Mac
> person! :)
>
> However, one of the hurdles with the Dell was that, by default, Dell
> configures the BIOS such that the boot drive (NVME in this case) is set to
> be in RAID mode instead of AHCI mode, even though there is only one drive
> in the system. This caused Ubuntu to simply not boot. After doing some
> research I came to find the Ubuntu doesn't support Intel Rapid Storage
> Technology (RST), which RAID requires. It was a simple fix to reconfigure
> the BIOS into AHCI mode, since I was going to wipe the Windows partition
> anyway.
>
> But, my main production dev box is Win 10 and I have two NVME drives in a
> RAID 0 (mirror) configuration (using hardware RAID in the BIOS). If I want
> to install Ubuntu I need to be able to implement this same level of RAID.
> If Ubuntu doesn't support the Intel RST hardware, how can I install Ubuntu
> and have a RAID 0 arrangement? I'm not looking for a particular answer to
> the problem just some suggestions on what to research. LVM? ZFS? Software
> RAID?
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: fsck -f ??????

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

If using nfs, a disconnect will crash your system.  Sad it's 2022 and this
still happens but it's a shit show from like ever.

I'd love to hear of NFS doing something not to be utterly dumb in crashing
a kernel with a network disconnect - let me know, never found one.

It's a linux-ism.

-mb


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> I've disconnected drive without umont them and was thinking I should fix
> them before data loss occurs. How do I figure out what name has been
> assigned to these devices? Or is there a gui means of running fsk against
> the device?
>
> That brings to mind another question: when you right click on a removable
> drive you are given the option to mount/umount or eject the drive. Do you
> need to eject the drive before disconnecting the device?
>
> Feature request: make it so we can fsck -f the drive. Wait a second; is
> the option 'y' or 'f'?
>
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Re: Special-Use Domain 'home.arpa.'

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

My router/firewall acts as the internal dns server for internal.butash.net,
and butash.net just follows normal recursion to go to google domains where
I host my external domain.  Any basic dd-wrt router can do this with
dnsmasq, ymmv with others.  So long as whatever you're resolving against,
ie your router or internal dns server separately, has the zone and is
configured to be authoritative, this works just fine.  This is where people
use a raspberry pi to run "pihole" software as a dns server to block ads,
malware, etc spoofing bad domains much the same.

You *can* in theory just host your "internal" domain in google too, and set
them to resolve your internal ip addresses, but in theory people could
resolve that and see your internal ip space to surveil you if they know
it's there.

-mb


On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 7:25 AM  wrote:

> Hi Micheal,
>
> Thank you for your help!!
>
> Ok,  in this example,
>
> host.butash.net is public - one A record and one or more CNAMEs.
>
> host.internal.butash.net is private.
>
> I assume you have two DNS servers?  One public and one private?  Who
> gets the A record and all other hosts are CNAMEs?
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2022-11-23 12:51, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > General rule of thumb is not to spoof real domains, as you'll break
> > anyone using it elsewise, just about anything else is open game.  I
> > can make a tld domain, .xyz (assuming this isn't a free-form tld now),
> > and so long as things point at that naturally (like an internal
> > resolver), it will pretend to be authoritative even if not.  I've had
> > customers run internal dns under AD with something random as their
> > domain, it works so long as everything using the domain knows to point
> > internally first.
> >
> > What I do is use my domain, butash.net [2], and create an internal
> > subdomain off it, internal.butash.net [3] or like, and put all my
> > home/lab stuff under that as my internal dns knows to put a ns record
> > for the subdomain to itself, otherwise go out to public.  No one is
> > the wiser generally, and my needs are met.  Recommend the same.
> >
> > -mb
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 12:19 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I looked into this topic a while back and it’s a bit of a
> >> quagmire.
> >>
> >> The general concensus I found was to use .local as your TLD as it
> >> has been reserved for that purpose. There are a few more, like
> >> .test, but .dev is a legitimate TLD run by Google.
> >>
> >> I’ve talked with several people who set up their own DNS server on
> >> their intranet to respond to their own TLD so you don’t need to
> >> use the hosts file on every machine. I think most companies with
> >> multiple layers of firewalls take that approach because it won’t
> >> resolve the URLs across the firewall — public DNS will always
> >> return an error on the lookups.
> >>
> >> -David Schwartz
> >>
> >>> On Nov 23, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> As you know I am building a "home office" lab for PHP development
> >>> and testing.  I was not satisfied with the research I completed on
> >>> "non-routeable" domains for a private network made up of
> >>> "non-routeable" domains.
> >>>
> >>> In the distant past I used to use .dev for the TLD.  From what I
> >>> am reading this is not a good idea.
> >>>
> >>> According to https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8375.html [1] one
> >>> should use "home.arpa.".  They add a period to the end which I
> >>> assume is the DNS domain name stop character when used in zone
> >>> files.  Any thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> I will not be using DNS.  My needs are so simple I will be adding
> >>> the IP and domain name in my host file, at least for now.
> >>>
> >>> I've read a lot about this subject.  Some say to use a registered
> >>> domain with a subdomain that is on a private IP. I really do not
> >>> want to commingle public and private assets on the same domain.
> >>>
> >>> Any feedback is much appreciated!!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!!
> >>> Keith
> >>
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Re: Special-Use Domain 'home.arpa.'

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Another thought on this...

I was using a netgear router for a bit as my home router to replace an
ancient cisco firewall that had outlived its usefulness, and with ddwrt,
will run dns as part of dnsmasq.  You can use just about any consumer
router replacing dd-wrt on it, and get functionality to do the same hosting
internal.keithsmith.org or whatever you have directly on your router.  Your
router will typically act as a dns cache directly anyways pointing dhcp dns
to it's internal ip vs. your carriers, and then forwarding what it doesn't
know, but you *can* add domains here for internal records for hosts you
want too.  I used this to recreate internal dns vs. a separate bind server
directly on my router for internal domain records, so long as your router
can handle it.

Now I use a fortigate enterprise firewall, which has the same features to
host internal dns records doing the same, but whatever you have and can
make work.  If your router doesn't support dd-wrt or tomato, get one that
does.  I have bought a few over the years at goodwill shopping their
technology crap for grins, and regifted good ones I've found to poor
bastards in my family using ancient firewalls or wireless for like 7 bucks.

-mb


On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 12:51 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> General rule of thumb is not to spoof real domains, as you'll break anyone
> using it elsewise, just about anything else is open game.  I can make a tld
> domain, .xyz (assuming this isn't a free-form tld now), and so long as
> things point at that naturally (like an internal resolver), it will pretend
> to be authoritative even if not.  I've had customers run internal dns under
> AD with something random as their domain, it works so long as everything
> using the domain knows to point internally first.
>
> What I do is use my domain, butash.net, and create an internal subdomain
> off it, internal.butash.net or like, and put all my home/lab stuff under
> that as my internal dns knows to put a ns record for the subdomain to
> itself, otherwise go out to public.  No one is the wiser generally, and my
> needs are met.  Recommend the same.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 12:19 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I looked into this topic a while back and it’s a bit of a quagmire.
>>
>> The general concensus I found was to use .local as your TLD as it has
>> been reserved for that purpose. There are a few more, like .test, but .dev
>> is a legitimate TLD run by Google.
>>
>> I’ve talked with several people who set up their own DNS server on their
>> intranet to respond to their own TLD so you don’t need to use the hosts
>> file on every machine. I think most companies with multiple layers of
>> firewalls take that approach because it won’t resolve the URLs across the
>> firewall — public DNS will always return an error on the lookups.
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As you know I am building a "home office" lab for PHP development and
>> testing.  I was not satisfied with the research I completed on
>> "non-routeable" domains for a private network made up of "non-routeable"
>> domains.
>>
>> In the distant past I used to use .dev for the TLD.  From what I am
>> reading this is not a good idea.
>>
>> According to https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8375.html
>> <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfI0lbTtxhf0B9iVXMIHo234e-2FVw-2FyhT-2BRhbwtow13oAB1bD76MUDbm-2FuyVnd7UVxqQ-3D-3DqK4N_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GFmhIl6hDTJp0vlcEfWuD5HliN7mazq1NqkL46JEotJwwOK-2FkuKaTizng8wU1HWxnp-2FMw8BnQ6VeeHFxnCcbBMqs4qb-2Fp11-2FJtxGr4MPTS6hEGMLYpFcvZWkbxeQNcCqBF3sv-2F7D-2BuOIrW1z5JDzK2UEZktkYqoOIEHWfocWRNmw-3D>
>> one should use "home.arpa.".  They add a period to the end which I assume
>> is the DNS domain name stop character when used in zone files.  Any
>> thoughts?
>>
>> I will not be using DNS.  My needs are so simple I will be adding the IP
>> and domain name in my host file, at least for now.
>>
>> I've read a lot about this subject.  Some say to use a registered domain
>> with a subdomain that is on a private IP. I really do not want to commingle
>> public and private assets on the same domain.
>>
>> Any feedback is much appreciated!!
>>
>> Thanks!!
>> Keith
>>
>>
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Re: Special-Use Domain 'home.arpa.'

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

General rule of thumb is not to spoof real domains, as you'll break anyone
using it elsewise, just about anything else is open game.  I can make a tld
domain, .xyz (assuming this isn't a free-form tld now), and so long as
things point at that naturally (like an internal resolver), it will pretend
to be authoritative even if not.  I've had customers run internal dns under
AD with something random as their domain, it works so long as everything
using the domain knows to point internally first.

What I do is use my domain, butash.net, and create an internal subdomain
off it, internal.butash.net or like, and put all my home/lab stuff under
that as my internal dns knows to put a ns record for the subdomain to
itself, otherwise go out to public.  No one is the wiser generally, and my
needs are met.  Recommend the same.

-mb


On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 12:19 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I looked into this topic a while back and it’s a bit of a quagmire.
>
> The general concensus I found was to use .local as your TLD as it has been
> reserved for that purpose. There are a few more, like .test, but .dev is a
> legitimate TLD run by Google.
>
> I’ve talked with several people who set up their own DNS server on their
> intranet to respond to their own TLD so you don’t need to use the hosts
> file on every machine. I think most companies with multiple layers of
> firewalls take that approach because it won’t resolve the URLs across the
> firewall — public DNS will always return an error on the lookups.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As you know I am building a "home office" lab for PHP development and
> testing.  I was not satisfied with the research I completed on
> "non-routeable" domains for a private network made up of "non-routeable"
> domains.
>
> In the distant past I used to use .dev for the TLD.  From what I am
> reading this is not a good idea.
>
> According to https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8375.html
> 
> one should use "home.arpa.".  They add a period to the end which I assume
> is the DNS domain name stop character when used in zone files.  Any
> thoughts?
>
> I will not be using DNS.  My needs are so simple I will be adding the IP
> and domain name in my host file, at least for now.
>
> I've read a lot about this subject.  Some say to use a registered domain
> with a subdomain that is on a private IP. I really do not want to commingle
> public and private assets on the same domain.
>
> Any feedback is much appreciated!!
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
>
>
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Re: How do I take a partial screenshot in KDE?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Another nice screen shot utility under linux I was using for a bit is
flameshot.  It's rather nice, feels a bit heavier than I need so I tend to
just use spectacle mostly.

-mb

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 1:20 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> Cool, Thanks!!
>
>
>
> On 2022-11-17 12:57, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > scrot -s
> >
> > You then just highlight what you want a pic of.
> >
> >> On Nov 17, 2022, at 12:50, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank You Rusty!!
> >>
> >>> On 2022-11-17 12:46, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> If you don't mind a heavy application, I use GIMP for this (on
> >>> WIndblows and Linux, but on W you can't do capture region).
> >>>> On 11/17/22 09:15, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>> Thanks Michael!!
> >>>> On 2022-11-10 20:11, Michael Butash wrote:
> >>>>> In Spectacle, set the Capture Mode Area to rectangular region, then
> >>>>> you can play with delay if you need to click on something then
> >>>>> shoot
> >>>>> it in a few seconds.
> >>>>> Works like a champ usually, I use it mostly every day.
> >>>>> -mb
> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 7:08 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> I am running Kubuntu 22.04.
> >>>>>> I would like to be able to take a snippet (specific region) of my
> >>>>>> screen, not the entire screen.
> >>>>>> My research shows that I can use spectacle take a screen shot,
> >>>>>> however I
> >>>>>> am not finding that I can take a portion of the screen.
> >>>>>> Then I ran into this :
> >>>>>> ==
> >>>>>> Do you want to capture the image of your entire screen? A specific
> >>>>>> region? A specific window?
> >>>>>> If you just want a simple screenshot without any annotations/fancy
> >>>>>> editing capabilities, the default keyboard shortcuts will do the
> >>>>>> trick.
> >>>>>> These are not specific to Ubuntu. Almost all Linux distributions
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> desktop environments support these keyboard shortcuts.
> >>>>>> Let’s take a look at the list of keyboard shortcuts you can
> >>>>>> utilize:
> >>>>>> PrtSc – Save a screenshot of the entire screen to the
> >>>>>> “Pictures”
> >>>>>> directory.
> >>>>>> Shift + PrtSc – Save a screenshot of a specific region to
> >>>>>> Pictures.
> >>>>>> Alt + PrtSc  – Save a screenshot of the current window to
> >>>>>> Pictures.
> >>>>>> Ctrl + PrtSc – Copy the screenshot of the entire screen to the
> >>>>>> clipboard.
> >>>>>> Shift + Ctrl + PrtSc – Copy the screenshot of a specific region to
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> clipboard.
> >>>>>> Ctrl + Alt + PrtSc – Copy the screenshot of the current window to
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> clipboard.
> >>>>>> ===
> >>>>>> Ok, it looks like I have spectacle installed by default.  I tried
> >>>>>> "Shift
> >>>>>> + PrtSc" and I got the entire screen.  Image quality seems decent.
> >>>>>> If I
> >>>>>> have to I can edit the screenshot.  Would like to avoid that extra
> >>>>>> step.
> >>>>>> Any Thoughts?
> >>>>>> Thanks!!
> >>>>>> Keith
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Re: Oracle's VirtualBox RANT

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I've not used vbox under ubuntu in a while, and use it literally all day
every day, and honestly in the 10+ years I've used virtualbox, I've never
found it complicated or broken, so I suspect some pebkac here.

Under ubuntu or arch that I use with vbox, it should create at least a Nat
network and a local-only network, it's important to know what these are and
do.  NAT will NOT allow things to connect to you, Local-Only will as long
as you share a network with it, and for your LAN as you said you need a
bridge to a wired (ie. not wireless) nic.  When I create a VM, I give a
guest 2 nics, one with a bridge to my local lan, and a local-only.  This
way it shares a 192.168.56.0/24 network with my host, and I can always
network to the host, even if we're both on nat, or separate bridges (think
usb nics presented to the guest direct).  I use NAT when I'm presenting a
guest to a foreign network, ie a client network, usually for audits with my
network management tools, then they never see it, only my laptop.  Nice for
hiding a useful linux box behind a windows mule at work.

Only time I ever have weirdness with vbox and nics are with my thunderbolt
dock at home if it gets disconnected.  Which is somewhat rare, but vbox
will sort of freak out if bridged to the nic and it disappears.  Sometimes
shutting down and restarting the vm works (not a reset!), sometimes I've
had to reboot to fix it, but I'll just go back to hiding it on a nat if
that happens until I do reboot next.

I am a network engineer by trade, so I don't tend to break my own network
often, and always can fix it, but I would still say you simply didn't have
it setup correctly.  I find vbox to be the most simplistic vm solution out
there, why I like it despite it having the Oracle stink, but been a fan
since Sun.  If you have problems with that, life will get no easier outside
of it for you.

-mb


On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 7:42 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> As you probably know I am struggling to configure Oracle's VirtualBox
> for web development testing.
>
> VirtualBox is a mess.  I cannot get it to work for PHP testing.  It will
> either work external so I can build the server OR I can make it visible
> to my local net and I am not able to pull in any packages.
>
> My expectation was that I could download and install VB then create a
> guest instance and configure my VM as I like, and in my case I want to
> have it have an IP on my local private network, and be able to put that
> IP in my browser and do some testing.
>
> VirtualBox in my opinion is what is wrong with technology.  I've said it
> before and I'll say it again, technology has become too difficult.  Case
> in point, last year I configured a full-stack host in my home office.
> This was complete with BIND, Postfix, and Dovecot.  With a little
> studying Bind is doable. Postfix, and Dovecot on the other hand are
> total enigmas.  I probably need to spend 30 or 40 hours to understand
> setting up and configuring Postfix, and Dovecot.
>
> I was able to get things to work, however I still do not know how.
>
> PHP is the same in my opinion.  To be a PHP dev requires a large stack
> of technologies.  I'm starting to feel the barrier to entry is too high.
>   About 3 years ago I attended several AzPHP meetings and I was amazed to
> discover that the top programmers actually were embracing this level of
> complexity. There was one guy,who is accomplished, that actually looked
> down on anyone who was not at his level.  Yikes!!
>
> I'm talking about things like Composer and dependency injection.  Anyone
> know there is three ways to configure and use dependency injection.  I
> do not recall all 3 off the top of my head.
>
> CodeIgniter 1 and 2 used dependency injection in a way that hid the
> complexities of dependency injection.  It was so subtle that you don't
> even know you are implementing dependency injection.
>
> I really liked CodeIgniter 1 and 2.  It hid the complexities of web
> development and was the closest thing I've seen in web development that
> was rapid application development (RAD).
>
> One of the things I really liked about CodeIgniter  was it's simplicity.
>   A middle school kid could learn enough about it in a weekend to start
> building something.
>
> Back to VirtualBox... It is entirely too complicated and I'm not sure
> why.  Can anyone shed light on this?
>
> I read that everyone should learn how to program.  Why?  Programming
> itself is simple... doing anything remotely useful requires you get down
> into the mud of the complexities of building an application.
>
> I fell in love with programming at the UofA in 1983.  I feel in love
> with Linux in 1998 when a friend told me about it. Yes I'm old. And I've
> seen a lot.
>
> What was VirtualBox created for and does it need to be so complex?
>
> Keith
>
>
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Re: df command and free/available space.

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I've got a base 20.04 server image I clone out, looking now it's using
2.5gb with some updates, things like snmpd installed, small stuff.  I
remember when ubuntu server install was like 600mb, but even linux has
grown significantly.  Sounds like you had some other crap creep into the
install, or the lamp stack is a pig too these days.

I just installed my new laptop with a 512mb boot drive, and it's not enough
to store 4 kernels even in Arch anymore (normal/fallback kernels for both
lts and up to date).  I started getting screwed with ubuntu in the later
2013 and up years using a 256mb boot, now guess I need a gig if I need more
than 1 kernel set.  Drat.

-mb


On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 9:20 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hi,
>
> I've gotten VirtualBox working and installed just the Ubuntu plain
> server 20.04 with the goal of creating a LAMP setup that will be used
> for a tiny bit of PHP testing.
>
> I allocated 10GB of space for this VM instance.
>
> I want to allocate a limited amount of disk space because I think this
> is static and will count as disk usage on the host even when my virtual
> machine is not running.
>
> I ran "df -h" and here is the output:
>
> keith@plain-ubuntu20-lamp:~$ df -h
> Filesystem Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> udev   948M 0  948M   0% /dev
> tmpfs  199M  1.1M  198M   1% /run
> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv  8.1G  3.6G  4.0G  48% /
> tmpfs  992M 0  992M   0% /dev/shm
> tmpfs  5.0M 0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
> tmpfs  992M 0  992M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
> /dev/loop0  68M   68M 0 100% /snap/lxd/22753
> /dev/sda2  1.7G  106M  1.5G   7% /boot
> /dev/loop1  47M   47M 0 100%
> /snap/snapd/16292
> /dev/loop2  62M   62M 0 100%
> /snap/core20/1611
> tmpfs  199M 0  199M   0% /run/user/1000
> keith@plain-ubuntu20-lamp:~$
>
> I assume the line :  "/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv  8.1G  3.6G
> 4.0G  48% /" is root.
>
> So a minimal install of the Ubuntu server 20.04lts is 3.6G?  Yikes is
> this correct?  So I have 4G free?  I can live with 4G free.  Yikes I
> have yet to install PHP/MySql/Apache.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Thank you for your input!!
>
> Keith
>
>
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Re: How do I take a partial screenshot in KDE?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

In Spectacle, set the Capture Mode Area to rectangular region, then you can
play with delay if you need to click on something then shoot it in a few
seconds.

Works like a champ usually, I use it mostly every day.

-mb


On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 7:08 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am running Kubuntu 22.04.
>
> I would like to be able to take a snippet (specific region) of my
> screen, not the entire screen.
>
> My research shows that I can use spectacle take a screen shot, however I
> am not finding that I can take a portion of the screen.
>
> Then I ran into this :
>
> ==
> Do you want to capture the image of your entire screen? A specific
> region? A specific window?
>
> If you just want a simple screenshot without any annotations/fancy
> editing capabilities, the default keyboard shortcuts will do the trick.
> These are not specific to Ubuntu. Almost all Linux distributions and
> desktop environments support these keyboard shortcuts.
>
> Let’s take a look at the list of keyboard shortcuts you can utilize:
>
> PrtSc – Save a screenshot of the entire screen to the “Pictures”
> directory.
> Shift + PrtSc – Save a screenshot of a specific region to Pictures.
> Alt + PrtSc  – Save a screenshot of the current window to Pictures.
> Ctrl + PrtSc – Copy the screenshot of the entire screen to the
> clipboard.
> Shift + Ctrl + PrtSc – Copy the screenshot of a specific region to the
> clipboard.
> Ctrl + Alt + PrtSc – Copy the screenshot of the current window to the
> clipboard.
> ===
>
> Ok, it looks like I have spectacle installed by default.  I tried "Shift
> + PrtSc" and I got the entire screen.  Image quality seems decent.  If I
> have to I can edit the screenshot.  Would like to avoid that extra step.
>
> Any Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
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Re: I'm wanting to get my son into computers....

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Funny, a buddy has been going through this with his 80 year old father, the
teen nephew they were supposed to teach about what a raspberry pi is didn't
care for fakebook or tweeting, but his grandfather took a few and building
stuff on them now.  It's as much or as little as anyone wants to put into
it.

Problem is you have to stab someone to get a pi these days for anything
short absurd prices.  Somewhat sad the future.

-mb


On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 12:00 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> well the computers aren't new or anything like that
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 8:29 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2022-10-18 at 14:27 -0400, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
>> wrote:
>> > Is there anything in computers he wants to learn to do? does he have an
>> > interest?
>> >
>> > without that, it is more than likely just spending time with dad.
>>
>> I agree. Play catch with a football, rubber ball, baseball, or flying
>> disc.
>>
>> Something I did was to give my kids old hand-me-down desktops loaded with
>> Ubuntu,
>> take it or leave it. Thus Linux was their first OS, and they learned to
>> navigate it
>> very well. Of course, when they needed laptops for college, those laptops
>> were
>> windows, so they went over to the dark side and never came back. But at
>> least they
>> don't believe all the fake news about Linux --- they know what Linux is.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
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Re: software to edit dvds

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I always laugh with new format introductions by the media cartels to get
people to buy the same thing all over again, now these streaming services,
and still somehow get fed ads for your patronage.  Or I can just download a
clean, perfect version of that already in about 2 minutes of effort from
piratebay.  Unless you really feel some guilt or enjoy the technical
practice of ripping video, just download it using a vpn to some random
place and save the effort someone else already did.

I haven't paid for media or seen commercials in 25 years, and rather spend
for new hard drives and bandwidth over a new movie I'm going to download on
said hard drive, watch exactly once (if that), delete, and forget.
Apparently people like me haven't ruined the business that the Disney's and
the other mega media cartels go out of business yet and still maintain
record profits.  Go figure.

-mb


On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:00 AM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
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> What I do in the privacy of my own home is none of the Government's
> business.  It's in the Constitution.  Not that the Government cares much
> about that, either.
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 11/3/2022 9:16 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Altering a dvd for any reason is against federal law. It displays that
> on the beginning of the dvd or Blu-ray.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, at 20:06, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> I bought some DVDs recently that have those annoying trailers before
> >> the main menu that I can't skip or fast forward to.   Is there some
> >> llnux software that would let me remove those trailers from a copy  I
> >> make of one of the DVDs? thanks
> >>
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Re: toshiba laptop with vista presently

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Most any dist will work clicking next next next these days, trick is the
aftermath.

Search the model, see if anyone else complained about issues.  First thing
I do before buying anything.

-mb



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> I have a gentleman who wants to try out Linux. Should an install on this
> vista machine be a problem? I mean if the live mint install works then it
> should be good-to-go?
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Re: T-Mobile Home Internet followup

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Actually, if you have some clout, AT or most providers will give you a
dedicated apn for your biz to connect cellular direct devices to a
dedicated circuit, and you mpls route to them via that way as a private
cellular network.

We use that at my client today and before, it's useful, att, tmo/sprint and
verizon do the same on their networks.

I know various carrier folk for eons now, I thought to ask for my own cell
cell data apn, but they care little of the little fry and laughed mockingly
asking how much cash I had.  Not that much, natch.

-mb


On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 4:09 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> On Starlink, now that you mention it, I'm kinda curious too.  What *do*
> they allow for ports?  I've been on a list asking for a starlink for years,
> but I don't tweet with twits, so guess I don't get invited.
>
> My guess: They treat it like a cellco, ie all cgnat with no inbound ports,
> only outbound.  If you want inbound ports, you need to talk to our
> "business" division.
>
> No cellco allows inbound service generally, if they do, consider
> yourselves fortunate of a bygone era.  If you need that, you need something
> like zerotier, tailscale, or random vpn here, and some port forwarding
> engine between.  It's what people do these days.
>
> I don't think any cellco allows inbound ports other than on the local lan,
> or any vpn service that acts as an intermediary the same in theory.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 1:21 PM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss <
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>> Slightly OT but somewhat related questions:
>> 1) Are web servers allowed on these cell-based ISPs?
>> 2) What about Starlink?
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Re: T-Mobile Home Internet followup

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

On Starlink, now that you mention it, I'm kinda curious too.  What *do*
they allow for ports?  I've been on a list asking for a starlink for years,
but I don't tweet with twits, so guess I don't get invited.

My guess: They treat it like a cellco, ie all cgnat with no inbound ports,
only outbound.  If you want inbound ports, you need to talk to our
"business" division.

No cellco allows inbound service generally, if they do, consider yourselves
fortunate of a bygone era.  If you need that, you need something like
zerotier, tailscale, or random vpn here, and some port forwarding engine
between.  It's what people do these days.

I don't think any cellco allows inbound ports other than on the local lan,
or any vpn service that acts as an intermediary the same in theory.

-mb


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> Slightly OT but somewhat related questions:
> 1) Are web servers allowed on these cell-based ISPs?
> 2) What about Starlink?
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Re: T-Mobile Home Internet followup

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

>> I laugh when I read something about these moonbats who go on about 5G
signals being hazardous to human health.

Agreed, if only they understood what they do every day that is far worse
for their health.

>> My guess is that T Mobile's service went down the crapper because people
signed up for it, they don't have the capacity to handle the demand
customers are placing on the network and either are unable to correct the
problem or unwilling to spend the money to fix it.

Yup, put it out there for sale, we'll figure out if it scales or not
later!

I've been wondering how cellcos were *really* going to deal with mmwave
tech, as it implies dropping radios pervasively, not to mention what it
means in a city like Manhattan or Chicago. with no openness what so ever.
Traditional telcos use regional POP's all over an area to distribute that,
but it's hard to build a small enough enclosure and antenna array to drop
every 1/2 mile, not to mention cost.

Cable MSO's had an interesting concept, one I didn't particularly agree
with, but they were using their residential cable modem/routers in your
house, adding an extra radio for themselves, to advertise *their* Cox
Public Wifi SSID for anyone to use that had a valid Cox, or other cable
provider account.  My buddy that works there told me about that, I was like
hold on, wut?  So Cox, if I used their combo modem/router thing, would take
upon themselves to offer my neighbors wifi on my dime?  And, well yeah,
sorta...  Apparently it's a back-end secret handshake with all the MSO's
that divide and conquer the sheeple among themselves, that they all share
logins between each other to allow sort of federated access doing this in
each provider that participates, which was all the big ones and more.
Upside is if you pay for cox, and go to a visit someone in a comcast
market, you can probably hop on someone close advertising that network, and
it might be the modem of the person you're staying with!  Cable providers
have lots of overhead in bandwidth on the pipe potentially you don't even
use, so why not.

I see this as something like the cable mso's trying to provide something
akin to pervasive high-speed wireless anywhere you go without being a
cellco too (fcc frowns on those sorta things), if nothing else taking a bit
of a jab at the cellco's as competition, particularly that they're now
competing directly with their residential fixed-home solutions now too.
Cox apparently was planning to do cell phones at one point too, as they
have fiber everywhere in their markets already, but see prior comment on
fcc.

-mb



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> What  the carriers are calling 5G is a portion of the 5G standards that
> don't provide the high speed service that the mmwave tech does.  For the
> last 40 years, the FCC has been handing over to cell phone companies chunks
> of spectrum that previously were reserved for over the air television.
> Until some time in the 80s, the top tv channel was 83.  Then it was reduced
> to  69 with 70 - 83 given to cell phones.  Later they did it again with the
> highest tv channel being 51.  More recently the government again gave
> channels 38-51 to the cell phone carriers.  Currently the  top tv channel
> is 36.  37 is reserved for radio astronomy.
>
> I laugh when I read something about these moonbats who go on about 5G
> signals being hazardous to human health.  They've been exposed to those
> frequencies for decades when they were used for television.
>
> My guess is that T Mobile's service went down the crapper because people
> signed up for it, they don't have the capacity to handle the demand
> customers are placing on the network and either are unable to correct the
> problem or unwilling to spend the money to fix it.
>
> on 10/30/22 16:11, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback, though that really bites.  Reminds me of Sprint
> wireless broadband circa 2001 using fixed antennas, it was great at first,
> but then only in the middle of the night, as it sucked entirely during the
> day as it couldn't deal with the capacity either.
>
> I'm not surprised, real 5g using mmwave technology is really only decent
> to around 700ft or so, as I've used a few products for fixed wireless point
> to point or multipoint as well.  It's also what drives ultrawideband
> technology used by apple now pervasively, marketed as a "personal area
> network" for short range optimized use.  It's simply not *good* as a wan
> technology.
>
> That said, carriers use 5G generically whether they're talking real mmwave
> 5G or just some enhanced version of 4G they can't market anymore unless
> they call it 5G too, so who knows what you're really using.
>
> My customer is starting to use 5g in a large local 1100-some store reta

Re: Boot up from cold boot no network

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I've used a lot of usb-based devices, and still do technically with a
thunderbolt dock for like the past 5 years, and not really run into this on
either ubuntu or arch.  I've run into some weirdness before though with
wired or wireless nics.  Basic linux network 101 applies... test it like a
network engineer, layer 1-7.

use "ip link" to see the state of of the physical nic, or verify layer 1
use "ip neighbor" to verify you see mac forwarding ala arp table, or layer
2/3
use "ip address" to verify exactly that, verifying dhcp or static configs
take place for layer 3
use "iftop" or "tcpdump" to see what traffic is sending, and if any is
coming back assuming your nic has link for layer 2-7

Aside from that probably a kernel/firmware thing.  Use journalctl -xe or -b
options to show you boot and logs (as root) of what happens around the
events with your nic.  It could be some firmware bug, realtek's used to be
terrible cursed names, but really haven't a problem for me in the past 5-10
years I'd say, and you're hard pressed to find a usb nic that *isn't* a
realtek.

You can probably rmmod and insmod the realtek driver too as long as
something isn't using it.  If it's busted, it should not be used, but
stranger things happen, especially if firmware is hung in a funky way,
which is usually what would always happen with them.

-mb


On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:04 PM T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I am very interested in the answer because my desktop does the same thing
> if I tell it to hibernate, boot into my windows dual boot, and reboot back
> into linux. I can regain network access again by hibernating again and
> booting back into linux directly (no windows). Pretty annoying because it
> takes a solid 2-5 minutes to shut down when hibernating. At least it still
> does the job, just with delay.
>
> This only happens if I try hibernating and then boot into windows (not
> full shutdown, not hibernate and boot directly to linux). It has always
> happened since I enabled hibernation (arch wiki instructions). Having
> Systemd restart NetworkManager does nothing. Setting up a new network
> configuration with networkmanager does not solve it. This is with my
> motherboard ethernet and my wireless USB adapter. I spent some good energy
> trying to figure it out, but never did.
>
>
> Did you update kernels today? What if you downgrade?
>
> Put the solution as a boot script. Or at least bash profile instead of run
> commands (otherwise it will run every time you spawn a terminal shell)
>
> Sep 23, 2022 11:14:35 Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>:
>
> > A few months ago my Dell Optiplex 7010 running Ubuntu 20.04 started
> booting up without the network.  I'd reboot the machine and  the network
> was there.  If I shut down the machine and turned it on again, no network.
> I thought something was wrong with the built in ethernet adapter, so I
> bought a usb adapter, disabled the built in one and the problem went away
> until today.  Now it's happening with the usb ethernet adapter.  Rebooting
> the machine fixes the problem gets the network up and running.  If I start
> with a cold boot and reboot at the grub screen, I get the network.  I have
> 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs.  I have the same video card that I had before this
> problem first showed itself.  It's a GeForce GT 710.
> >
> > I looked online and found something telling of other people who have had
> this problem.  They disconnected video cards and went back to the built in
> video (display port), and removed hard drives that had been added later and
> this fixed the problem.  The ultimate solution was to replace the power
> supply.  I disconnected one SSD and the 2 HDDs.  I don't have anything that
> can use a display port, so I left the video card in place.  All I had
> connected were  2 SSDs.  One it boots from and my home directory is on the
> other.  The problem still showed itself when I booted the machine, so I
> shut down and plugged in everything again.  This thing has a 240 watt power
> supply.  Do power supplies go band in such a way they don't produce the
> amount of power they used to?
> >
> > Any ideas what it might be?  Is there a command that would tell the
> system to set up the network again?  If there is, I could put it in the
> .bashrc until I get this fixed.
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: are these two modules interchangeable?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

It will usually figure out some level of compatibility that it *will* work,
until you start getting weird segfaults or crashes for no apparent reason.
My new used laptop came with mismatched 2x2 16gb sticks and *worked*, but
not something I want to test with 128gb of ram going into it when I tend to
actually use it.

I've dealt with it a few times in my life that it's worth some expense to
avoid all that with matched sticks.

-mb



On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 11:08 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Some laptops and NUC's are single channel or will default to that if they
> cannot match for dual channel compatibility.
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 2:07 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> interesting. well, I must be one-lucky-dog then! I mis-matched an 8GB and
>> a 4GB with no ill effects.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 6:01 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I would highly recommend NOT mixing and matching sticks of ram, this has
>>> never ended well for me, particularly since most everything is dual-channel
>>> configs these days and really need to be paired exactly per bank.  If you
>>> do/must, match them up as close as possible in terms of speed, cas/ras
>>> latency, etc, or only use the exact same ram down to the model number.
>>>
>>> I've long ago stopped mixing and matching sticks of ram for weird pc
>>> crashes, I always put them in as a set now.  Matched sets by batch are
>>> best, or if needing a bunch of sticks for a server, buying a batch of same
>>> sticks used of ebay out of the same server has been good to me too, just
>>> make sure to run a memtest on them first to make sure they're good if
>>> used.
>>>
>>> Likewise test if using off brand random sticks, they're probably cheap
>>> for a reason ie. 2nd rate parts.  These days I only use samsung memory.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 2:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the tip!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:34 PM Stephen Partington <
>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if your motherboard/bios is well designed yes, they will run at the
>>>>> slower speed. you can even encourage this compatibility by installing the
>>>>> slower module in the first memory channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:32 PM Michael  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks! Does that mean both will be the slower speed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 3:31 PM Stephen Partington <
>>>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> technically yes. but one is faster than the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 1:57 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324592214962
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324588786229?mkevt=1=0=e11050.m43.l1123=26=osgood=928c7022651c489a853c83def083a70e=44153278520=-1%7E1=2022091329=11050
>>>>>>>> If they are, how is the more expensive one better?
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you
>>>>>>> from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze 
>>>>>>> button.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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Re: are these two modules interchangeable?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I would highly recommend NOT mixing and matching sticks of ram, this has
never ended well for me, particularly since most everything is dual-channel
configs these days and really need to be paired exactly per bank.  If you
do/must, match them up as close as possible in terms of speed, cas/ras
latency, etc, or only use the exact same ram down to the model number.

I've long ago stopped mixing and matching sticks of ram for weird pc
crashes, I always put them in as a set now.  Matched sets by batch are
best, or if needing a bunch of sticks for a server, buying a batch of same
sticks used of ebay out of the same server has been good to me too, just
make sure to run a memtest on them first to make sure they're good if
used.

Likewise test if using off brand random sticks, they're probably cheap for
a reason ie. 2nd rate parts.  These days I only use samsung memory.

-mb



On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 2:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip!
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:34 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> if your motherboard/bios is well designed yes, they will run at the
>> slower speed. you can even encourage this compatibility by installing the
>> slower module in the first memory channel.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:32 PM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! Does that mean both will be the slower speed?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 3:31 PM Stephen Partington 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 technically yes. but one is faster than the other.

 On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 1:57 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
 plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324592214962
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324588786229?mkevt=1=0=e11050.m43.l1123=26=osgood=928c7022651c489a853c83def083a70e=44153278520=-1%7E1=2022091329=11050
> If they are, how is the more expensive one better?
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 rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

 Stephen

 --
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>
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Re: Shred

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

SSD/NVME usually have secure wipe functions in the controller for this not
to destroy the flash with shred or like.  From my notes:

## if SSD

## if you need to wipe the disks, use a security erase on them
## you will sometimes need to unfreeze drives, a suspend and awaken works

sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep froz
sudo hdparm -I /dev/sdb | grep froz

## make sure these are the right disks, they will be wiped.

hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass PasSWorD /dev/sda
hdparm --user-master u --security-erase PasSWorD /dev/sda

hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass PasSWorD /dev/sdb
hdparm --user-master u --security-erase PasSWorD /dev/sdb

## if NVME/M.2

## confirm nvme-cli is available

which nvme

## confirm secure erase mode, should be 0x1

nvme id-ctrl -H /dev/$nvme-disk0$ | egrep 'Crypto Erase'
nvme id-ctrl -H /dev/$nvme-disk1$ | egrep 'Crypto Erase'

nvme format -s1f /dev/$nvme-disk0$
nvme format -s1f /dev/$nvme-disk1$

-mb


On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 3:05 PM Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss <
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> Don't do that to an SSD.
> On 8/29/22 14:47, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> To delete everything would I type
> sudo shred /dev/sda
> From a live disk?
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Weird Display Scaling Issues on Thinkpad T15g G2

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

So I've got a fresh arch up on my new box, a lenovo thinkpad T15g G2 (blame
Stephen Partington, props too though, it's tight), but so far it's been
very weird with the display with KDE, and biggest issue so far remaining is
the desktop scaling, or at least it doing so horribly.

Main Problem: The UI with KDE default is gigantic on both the built-in 15"
display on the lappy, and the 3x 49" displays 4k/60 displays I now have
connected to it on a thunderbolt4 dock (yes, this works, and is glorious).
The UI scaling is just weird, and KDE in their infinite wisdom doesn't
allow negative scaling below 100%, only above.  Boo, jackasses.

Googling my ass off has resulted in nothing good really, few
recommendations to 1) use xrandr to scale ended horribly and 2) using QT to
scale as an environment setting ended horribly.  Both were reverted.

Using xrandr ended up causing some weird display overlapping I simply
couldn't explain, and using the environment scaling for QT caused every KDE
window to freak out, not render, at times flicker enough to cause an
epileptic to have a fit, just all sorts of malfeasance.

So hell, I am wondering if anyone else has run into this display scaling
mess.  Sadly I never have an issue before as it's always too small on 4k
displays, which luckily even my old eyes still deal with, but this gigantor
UI crap someone seems to have added to "help" absolutely sucks.  Any ideas?

I've had to work through a number of issues with it so far all weekend to
get it usable, including random reboots that seem to come and go, but
otherwise really hoping this works out, this is an absolute beast of a
machine.

If you've read this long, thank you!

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Re: Recommended affordable hardware for 4k video playback?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Do yourself a favor and get an nvidia shield, which ever model really, they
all do 4k dope with kodi.  Probably get a cheap old one on ebay even.  I've
still got an OG pro from like 5 years ago, and it's always been on point
playing any media including super pimp 60gbyte 4k/60 dolby atmos BR rips on
it, even over cifs to my filer.

It should just work.

-mb


On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 6:06 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Not sure how far down the rabbit hole you have gone, but this is some
> interesting information via google.
>
> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/why-youtube-4k-playback-sucks-on-linux/71028
>
> https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/54392-4k-hevc-10-bit-playbacktrasncoding-help/
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hardware_video_acceleration
>
> the links combined with a GTX 1030 or 1050 might be a reasonable value. or
> an older intel CPU with quick-sync.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 11:13 PM Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> A raspberry pi can do 4K but they are backordered and sold out some
>> reports say maybe after the new year before orders catch up
>> most mid level video cards should do fine  but not much help for a laptop
>> for a laptop it will take a bunch of reading I am sure they are out there
>> I just have look for that 4K use with linux
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 8:01 PM T. Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have historically just hooked up an old laptop to my TV to watch
>>> movies and such, but I recently upgraded to 4k and my poor 4x1.5 GHz CPU
>>> (AMD E2-6110) can't seem to keep up. Realistically, it kind of struggled
>>> with 1080p to begin with. I have tinkered with mpv hardware decoding
>>> options and vaapi, but I'm thinking my old boy with the weak cpu and
>>> integrated graphics just isn't capable. Pretty sure that's the issue, I
>>> don't have any major background processes running and it's probably not a
>>> buffering issue considering that in this case I'm playing videos stored on
>>> an internal 1TB SSD and I have 8GB RAM. VLC is probably working worse than
>>> mpv.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for a cheap hardware upgrade for this? Thinking I
>>> might just try to find an old used computer with some kind of GPU. Likely a
>>> raspberry pi would have the same problem? What should I be considering for
>>> minimum/recommended specs? Would puppy linux or some kind of dedicated OS
>>> be better than a standard arch linux/i3 setup? I feel like what I currently
>>> run is about as snappy as the device will get.
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Re: Right now my computer is in the shop.

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I'll second arch, I've been using it for a good 4-5 years now, and only
thing I run on personal hardware anymore.

That said, it can be cranky, even with rolling updates.  I've had them
randomly blow up at least one system that I couldn't figure out how to fix,
and upgrades can be a pain with AUR repos pulling in sometimes dubious
maintenance builds of packages that later break.  When it occurs, you often
end up in dependency recursion hell, where something is dependent on
upgrading something else that it can't, due to something else wanting a
particular version, nor will it let you simply remove it because you'd have
to replace/remove 50 other things.  I've spent at times days beating my
head on a keyboard to fix these manually gutting packages ugly-style and
forcing replacements over others to fix.

Another good one, I just picked up a new (used) lenovo thinkpad T15g that
installing arch on is panic-ing the kernel on boot before I can really even
do anything, even in recovery.  This should be fun like ants to fix...

I do love arch, but it still tries my patience at times.

-mb



On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 6:38 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> this has weird knockon effects too.  since arch is rolling release, and
> highly customizable, they don't tend to switch up major pieces often.  say
> with fedora they decided to go to ext3 to ext4 to xfs, then btrfs
> filesystems.  now, if you run the upgrade scripts on time you can go from
> fedora 35 to 36, but you won't have your filesystem changed to btrfs (i
> don't remember the exact verison they made that change).  but assumptions
> are made that if you're running fedora 36 you have a certain setup, and
> hilarity ensues.
>
> You often can't have as long-lived a system with fedora or ubuntu as you
> can with arch since arch lets you set it up how you want and organizes its
> updates to take that into account.  whereas fedora or ubuntu kinda assumes
> you're installing from their media without too much customization and the
> cruft that can build up if you've run the update scripts a few times can
> get downright nasty.
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 6:32 AM James Mcphee  wrote:
>
>> oh, they have a good test system.  what i mean is breaking versions.
>> upgrading from one version of software to another.  say a kernel that
>> decides a particular tuning variable  is no longer used in favor of
>> something else.  and all the sudden your database performance chunks
>> horribly because you had to patch.  (yes, that's happened to me more than
>> once).
>>
>> or, say your favorite tls layer deciding to deprecate ciphers you've
>> manually defined in your configs.
>>
>> the more versioned systems (fedora and ubuntu, etc) will patch the
>> versions they have until the next release when they make a big jump in
>> software versions (often requiring you to learn large amounts of changes at
>> once).
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 6:28 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> wonderful. with breaking patches: is it fixed like the next day or is it
>>> usually later than that?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:21 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 arch has probably the best community (and wiki) in the business.  they
 also have a huge (and relatively simple) extended software library (AUR)

 the main reason most people will speak of arch is that it is a rolling
 (or streaming) release.  so with fedora or ubuntu, you get new versions
 every 6 months or so and there may be upgrade scripts but you have to pay
 attention.  with arch, it's a constant release system.  this means in arch
 you tend to have the newer versions of stuff most of the time, not waiting
 on some arbitrary version release window.  the downsides of this is that
 with a locked version, you can generally count on patches not being
 breaking, while that is not a guarantee in arch.

 also.  arch is one of THE most customizable distros out there (that
 wiki is so good it's often better than other distros official commercial
 support).  if you can do the base install (a bit more involved than fedora
 or ubuntu), customizing your desktop isn't much of a jump.  Sure, you can
 do this with most other distros, i mean software is software, but with arch
 you don't have dependencies for chat clients reaching all the way up to
 base packages.

 On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 6:15 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
 plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> also, it was mentioned that arch has benefits. what are those?
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:12 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>> thank yout for the advice.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:10 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh sorry, I must have buried the lead.  I use 

Re: OT: Linux Laptops

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I just bought a new laptop, a lenovo t15g g2 laptop, and it took some
hunting.  Normally I would not have considered Lenovo, but blame Stephen
Partington for extolling the virtue of Lenovo thinkpads, and they actually
are the beefiest boxes out there.

I never buy new, always used (like a car, let some sucker take the initial
hit), usually Dell, and was looking to get base specs I need to the point I
can upgrade to what I want.  It was a year or so of hunting to buy, I
finally found one , this lenovo, around 2000 bucks with a base i7, 64gb of
ram, rtx3080 video, and no touch screen.  I ripped out the 64gb with 4x
16gb for 4x 32gb sticks of ram for a full 128 I actually need/use, added 2x
1tb 980 pro samsung disks to the 1x 1tb samsung in it (an oem 980 gen
sammy) for my os raid1 plus potential hot spare, and a lenovo tb4 dock that
doesn't include that goddamn displaylink chip for video.  Still farting
with it since I got all parts, but going to be Arch/KDE like my current box
and watching it since last weekend with htop idling for issues.  Windoze
was oddly randomly rebooting itself over a few days I was watching it for
stability., but absolutely no issues since booting linux.  Meh, windoze
shitting itself randomly is the norm.

Dell has great linux support, Mario Limoncello, one of the kernel devs
works there, and tends to keep them in control to at least consider linux.
Lenovo is chinese crap probably I figure, but at least respect the need for
power users based on thinkpad's legacy in their top-end, better or worse
seems to still mostly hold it down.  Others - ymmv, less than more mostly.
Hopefully the lenovo bios isn't creating a backdoor vnc to my desktop
perpetually found on shodan.

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Re: face book keeps crashing it's tab

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

That's them probably installing their backdoors on your system.  Pay no
attention, nothing to see here.

-mb


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> facebook keeps crashing it's firefox tab. is it just me or is it a
> facebook thing?
>
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Re: Domain Registering and Hosting/Website Funny Business

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Godaddy I think is a bit more rational these days, but back in the
beginning, Parson's #2 in the company was a lawyer, a surly ex-marine gal
that loved to start some shit.  Mention lawsuit, he'd get a curious glint
in his eyes and sic her on them.

Best not to feed the animals if you can avoid it.

-mb


On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 5:39 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Perhaps. However, considering other factors, they won’t want to use their
> lawyers if they can get off cheap. This, of course, assumes that someone at
> the head of the company is behaving smart.
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Intelligence Div.
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> I doubt threatening them with a lawyer will do much, they'll see your
> lawyer and raise you 5 of their lawyers.  It's a losing battle for the
> little person.
>
> Rather go to their abuse team, explain it's a legal matter, and see if you
> can talk to a rational human vs. a call center monkey.  Those guys deal
> with this stuff all day every day, the joy of having 100m domains under
> your stewardship.
>
> Unless they literally broken in and stole content, GD won't be inclined to
> do much other than apologize for your luck being targeted, and little they
> can/will do otherwise.  Best you can probably do is find who owns it today
> and attack them directly with legal, but if someone outside the country,
> you'll find the world's smallest violin quickly for your sad song.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 10:03 AM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Since it appears that GD isn’t being helpful, get a copyright lawyer (you
>> might even be able to find one on legalshield.com for cheap) and go
>> after both the new host owner and GD for a DMCA violation. My experience
>> has been if such is done and it looks like it might be a good case, the
>> hosting provider will settle with you real damned fast in order to avoid a
>> court case.
>>
>> -Eric
>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Legal Servicing Dept.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2022-07-22 23:05, Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> TL;DR  Have your friend contact GoDaddy, ideally by logging into their
>> existing account and contacting support from there, and request they
>> delete all content as you no longer control the site and they no
>> longer have any right to continue serving that content.
>>
>> Contact with GD was made.  They are no help.
>>
>> Most likely, the new owner simply didn't make any change to the name
>> server entries when they bought it (domain gamblers tend to do that a
>> lot).
>>
>>
>> Basically, the name still resolves to the same site host, and the
>> purchaser is waiting for your friend to beg them to "return their
>> domain" so as to keep the site (and presumably the business) running.
>> Some just kind of wait for contact, others will wait about 90 days,
>> then send email to the website warning of a deadline and demanding
>> heavy payment to not redirect it to a parking page or something
>> similar.
>>
>>
>> Name Servers:ns11.domaincontrol.com and ns12.domaincontrol.com  <- that
>> looks like GoDaddy.
>>
>> His hosting expired a long time ago.
>>
>> The new guy getting the website seems fishy to me.
>>
>> My friend paid GD to make contact with the domain owner to see if he
>> would sell.  GD was not able to make any progress - current owner does not
>> respond to emails and the domain has privacy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A lot depends on who the host provider is.  If, as in this case, the
>> host provider is the same as the domain provider (side note, don't do
>> that in the future; always separate the two so nobody controls both
>> but you), then you may have some issues, but at least in theory your
>> friend can, at minimum, ask that the hosted content (which they still
>> own and on which they hold copyright) be removed.
>> If the host provider is separate from the domain provider, then you
>> could either arrange back payment and regain control, then point a new
>> domain to the site, or ask the host to remove the content (again based
>> on ownership and copyright).
>> In this case (with GoDaddy hosting both), I hope your friend has
>> backups of the site an

Re: Domain Registering and Hosting/Website Funny Business

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I doubt threatening them with a lawyer will do much, they'll see your
lawyer and raise you 5 of their lawyers.  It's a losing battle for the
little person.

Rather go to their abuse team, explain it's a legal matter, and see if you
can talk to a rational human vs. a call center monkey.  Those guys deal
with this stuff all day every day, the joy of having 100m domains under
your stewardship.

Unless they literally broken in and stole content, GD won't be inclined to
do much other than apologize for your luck being targeted, and little they
can/will do otherwise.  Best you can probably do is find who owns it today
and attack them directly with legal, but if someone outside the country,
you'll find the world's smallest violin quickly for your sad song.

-mb


On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 10:03 AM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Since it appears that GD isn’t being helpful, get a copyright lawyer (you
> might even be able to find one on legalshield.com for cheap) and go after
> both the new host owner and GD for a DMCA violation. My experience has been
> if such is done and it looks like it might be a good case, the hosting
> provider will settle with you real damned fast in order to avoid a court
> case.
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Legal Servicing Dept.
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2022-07-22 23:05, Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> TL;DR  Have your friend contact GoDaddy, ideally by logging into their
> existing account and contacting support from there, and request they
> delete all content as you no longer control the site and they no
> longer have any right to continue serving that content.
>
> Contact with GD was made.  They are no help.
>
> Most likely, the new owner simply didn't make any change to the name
> server entries when they bought it (domain gamblers tend to do that a
> lot).
>
>
> Basically, the name still resolves to the same site host, and the
> purchaser is waiting for your friend to beg them to "return their
> domain" so as to keep the site (and presumably the business) running.
> Some just kind of wait for contact, others will wait about 90 days,
> then send email to the website warning of a deadline and demanding
> heavy payment to not redirect it to a parking page or something
> similar.
>
>
> Name Servers:ns11.domaincontrol.com and ns12.domaincontrol.com  <- that
> looks like GoDaddy.
>
> His hosting expired a long time ago.
>
> The new guy getting the website seems fishy to me.
>
> My friend paid GD to make contact with the domain owner to see if he would
> sell.  GD was not able to make any progress - current owner does not
> respond to emails and the domain has privacy.
>
>
>
>
> A lot depends on who the host provider is.  If, as in this case, the
> host provider is the same as the domain provider (side note, don't do
> that in the future; always separate the two so nobody controls both
> but you), then you may have some issues, but at least in theory your
> friend can, at minimum, ask that the hosted content (which they still
> own and on which they hold copyright) be removed.
> If the host provider is separate from the domain provider, then you
> could either arrange back payment and regain control, then point a new
> domain to the site, or ask the host to remove the content (again based
> on ownership and copyright).
> In this case (with GoDaddy hosting both), I hope your friend has
> backups of the site and can redeploy elsewhere, and I hope GoDaddy
> does the right thing relatively quickly (sometimes they can be
> difficult in this regard).
> This doesn't apply in your case, but one other, somewhat ugly,
> possibility does exist.  Some host providers use a domain challenge to
> identify the site owner if they lose access otherwise (they have you
> put a code in a dns record to prove you are you).
>  Those are particularly pernicious as anyone with control of the
> domain actually can steal the site and content by claiming to have
> forgotten a password (which can result in theft of an entire business
> identity for purely online businesses, and is a form of identity
> theft).
>  Always worth checking if your hosting provider uses that option, and
> ask them to either administratively disable that (permanently), or
> move to a different hosting provider (assuming you can).
>   Note: Domain challenge to prove ownership of a domain, separate
> from ownership of the hosting account, is totally normal and
> reasonable, I'm referencing here using domain challenge to prove
> identity and ownership of the separate hosting account.
> Hopefully that helps.
> Joseph Sinclair
> P.S. The domain origination date does not change unless the domain is
> returned to an unregistered state.
>
>
> Ok that is some good info.  it seems this domain "expired" then GD held
> onto it until someone else bought it.
>
> I have heard that 

Re: Domain Registering and Hosting/Website Funny Business

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

If the evildoers got the content lock stock and barrel, they broke in
somehow.  If someone hijacked the domain, and setup emails to reverse
acquire accounts bound to it, then sure, they could do almost whatever via
password resets.  Who actually uses 2fa?

The alternative is someone cloned the site, which if basic is theoretically
possible, but if something like wordpress with a db backend, he got gaffled
somehow.  Reverse engineer how they broke into all the accounts, but see
above.  It's enough to spook someone into paying up probably, when all they
did was clone the content, which is probably doable via various archival
crawling methods ala google spiders and wayback machine.

-mb


On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 7:12 AM  wrote:

>
>
> On 2022-07-22 19:01, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > In my experience, when a domain goes up for grabs, the registrar
> > basically usurps it and auctions it off with first right of refusal
> > having it under their stewardship in the first place as registrar.  I
> > saw this with butash.com [1], of which I own .net and .org, but the
> > dude that owned .com was old, and I think died finally.  I had a
> > godaddy domain update and saw it go up for sale as an auction on
> > verisign, where he had it registered all these years (guess he never
> > heard he could get a much better deal elsewhere).  Some dude outbid me
> > for like 700 bucks, said screw it, not that much worth it.  Some year
> > or so later had a buddy hit him up (so as not from butash.net [2] for
> > obvious value), but the scab came back "we'll start bidding at $35K".
> > He's been sitting on it since as I didn't put his kids through college
> > and apparently no one else in my lineage has either.
> >
>
> There is a couple domains I'd like to get that are being held w/o being
> used. A domain is only what someone is willing to pay for it.
>
>
> > So yes, verisign, godaddy, etc will all grab your shiz and sell it out
> > from under you if they can, then the domain hoarder scabs soak them up
> > hoping someone wants it back bad enough.  Vermin, the whole lot, like
> > zombies roaming the streets for brains.  I was working at godaddy when
> > Parsons figured out it'd be a huge market to do domain auctions and
> > started that back in the day.  I thought it was scummy having worked
> > for him then, and didn't work for him much longer after.
>
> I worked for GD in the very early days.  Learned a lot and got a bunch
> of experience talking tech to non-technical people.  Helped me
> tremendously when I started freelancing.  The GD experience was hell
> though. Back then they fired people for little cause and the call center
> manager was a bully.
>
> The thing I am really wondering about is how this dude was able to
> transfer my friends website and content from my friend's hosting to his
> hosting.  This has to be a copyright violation.  What say you?
>
> >
> > -mb
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 6:45 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a friend who owned http://www.nationwidedr.com/ .  It expired
> >>
> >> along with his hosting while he was in the hospital.
> >>
> >> I get the domain was available to be registered.
> >>
> >> Here is the interesting part.  Somehow the new domain owner also was
> >>
> >> able to get his WordPress website complete with all of his business
> >> content.  It appears not to have been changed.
> >>
> >> The other part is the domain shows it was registered in 2002, the
> >> original date it was registered.  I thought when a domain expires
> >> and is
> >> re-registered by another it will show it was original registered on
> >> that
> >> second date.  Am I wrong?
> >>
> >> Thoughts on how the new registrant got a hold of my friends
> >> WordPress
> >> website?
> >>
> >> The domain and hosting were at GoDaddy.
> >>
> >> Something seems fishy - am I wrong?
> >>
> >> Thanks!!
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Re: Domain Registering and Hosting/Website Funny Business

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

In my experience, when a domain goes up for grabs, the registrar basically
usurps it and auctions it off with first right of refusal having it under
their stewardship in the first place as registrar.  I saw this with
butash.com, of which I own .net and .org, but the dude that owned .com was
old, and I think died finally.  I had a godaddy domain update and saw it go
up for sale as an auction on verisign, where he had it registered all these
years (guess he never heard he could get a much better deal elsewhere).
Some dude outbid me for like 700 bucks, said screw it, not that much worth
it.  Some year or so later had a buddy hit him up (so as not from butash.net
for obvious value), but the scab came back "we'll start bidding at $35K".
He's been sitting on it since as I didn't put his kids through college and
apparently no one else in my lineage has either.

So yes, verisign, godaddy, etc will all grab your shiz and sell it out from
under you if they can, then the domain hoarder scabs soak them up hoping
someone wants it back bad enough.  Vermin, the whole lot, like zombies
roaming the streets for brains.  I was working at godaddy when Parsons
figured out it'd be a huge market to do domain auctions and started that
back in the day.  I thought it was scummy having worked for him then, and
didn't work for him much longer after.

-mb


On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 6:45 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a friend who owned http://www.nationwidedr.com/ .  It expired
> along with his hosting while he was in the hospital.
>
> I get the domain was available to be registered.
>
> Here is the interesting part.  Somehow the new domain owner also was
> able to get his WordPress website complete with all of his business
> content.  It appears not to have been changed.
>
> The other part is the domain shows it was registered in 2002, the
> original date it was registered.  I thought when a domain expires and is
> re-registered by another it will show it was original registered on that
> second date.  Am I wrong?
>
> Thoughts on how the new registrant got a hold of my friends WordPress
> website?
>
> The domain and hosting were at GoDaddy.
>
> Something seems fishy - am I wrong?
>
> Thanks!!
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Re: Dock Replacement under Wayland

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Unfortunately not, cairo-dock just segfaults out under wayland, and Latte
dock is still about as useless as ever, it can't even figure out how to
exist on non-primary display, then it just disappears.

Sadly there just aren't many actually good docks out there, cairo is
literally the only one worth a damn for me, and yay me, it's now broken.

-mb

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 1:46 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Version 3.4 of cairo dock says that it supports wayland.
> If you're running KDE, you can load latte dock.  I don't know if it
> functionally does what you're looking for, but it will give you that OSX
> look and feel and integrates nicely with KDE.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
>
>
> On 7/15/22 21:59, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> GLX-Dock is actually the older form of Cairo dock, go figure, probably
> broken too I'd presume.  Lemme see!
>
> Sadly no docks seem to work worth a damn in wayland.  Argh!  FML!  Wayland
> defeated by shite dock software.
>
> -mb
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 9:46 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> You try this one yet?
>>
>> https://glx-dock.org/mr_article.php?b=5=73
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 12:44 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I've used cairo-dock forever, sort of an unforgiving bastard, but the
>>> best dock out there imho for linux still.  I've tried a lot, but found
>>> cairo doesn't work under wayland that is my weekend adventure to replace
>>> the infernal xorg compositors worth about shite for anything 4k res or
>>> higher.
>>>
>>> Wayland seems so far like 1000% better than standard kwin compositing in
>>> the first hour(s), I just really need something like cairo-dock I've used
>>> for like a decade or more.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on a replacement?  Not seeing much right now, can't be this
>>> bad in the wayland landscape still, is it?
>>>
>>> -mb
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Re: Dock Replacement under Wayland

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

GLX-Dock is actually the older form of Cairo dock, go figure, probably
broken too I'd presume.  Lemme see!

Sadly no docks seem to work worth a damn in wayland.  Argh!  FML!  Wayland
defeated by shite dock software.

-mb

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 9:46 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> You try this one yet?
>
> https://glx-dock.org/mr_article.php?b=5=73
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 12:44 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I've used cairo-dock forever, sort of an unforgiving bastard, but the
>> best dock out there imho for linux still.  I've tried a lot, but found
>> cairo doesn't work under wayland that is my weekend adventure to replace
>> the infernal xorg compositors worth about shite for anything 4k res or
>> higher.
>>
>> Wayland seems so far like 1000% better than standard kwin compositing in
>> the first hour(s), I just really need something like cairo-dock I've used
>> for like a decade or more.
>>
>> Any thoughts on a replacement?  Not seeing much right now, can't be this
>> bad in the wayland landscape still, is it?
>>
>> -mb
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Dock Replacement under Wayland

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I've used cairo-dock forever, sort of an unforgiving bastard, but the best
dock out there imho for linux still.  I've tried a lot, but found cairo
doesn't work under wayland that is my weekend adventure to replace the
infernal xorg compositors worth about shite for anything 4k res or higher.

Wayland seems so far like 1000% better than standard kwin compositing in
the first hour(s), I just really need something like cairo-dock I've used
for like a decade or more.

Any thoughts on a replacement?  Not seeing much right now, can't be this
bad in the wayland landscape still, is it?

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Re: sites on localhost

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

This is something I posted here a while back, how sites like banks and
other financials were making scripted local queries to check for open
"services" or ports as referrals to localhost and ports known to be
malicious ala some worm or botnet if they should trust you or not.  Quick
way for them to determine what stupid customers of theirs got got already,
and lower your credit score while at it.  While ok, I get it, trust no one,
but that's a bit creepy that they're forcing my browser to open sockets to
local ports to essentially bypass my firewall, port scan my host, while
connecting to their site, and figure no one mostly will notice.

Far as I know ublock and noscript inherently block most of that (it's
usually some affiliate credit check firm the bank uses for plausible
deniability and blame pointing), but I do this by default for the past ~20
years to notice much.

Such is the world we live in.  Shields up!

-mb



On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 8:27 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> once in a while I run into a site trying to make JavaScript or XHR
> connections to localhost.
>
> What are they doing?
>
> Are they setting up backdoor tunnels on localhost?
>
> Are they trying to run a daemon out of the browser?
>
> Are they trying to escape the sandbox and exfiltrate data?
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Should an opensource dev know Linux

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

If someone proclaimed themselves an "open source dev" but didn't know linux
to at least some extent, my inside voice would dub them heretical and
proclaim yet another fool that doesn't even know what they're saying.  I
would probably be compelled to at least ask sarcastically just exactly what
open source they work with then, as microsoft or mac anything certainly
isn't.  If something *is* developed as open on windoze, it's likely
cross-platform by nature, probably works worst under microsoft trying to
make a square peg fit a round hole, and the person handing the windoze port
hates their life.

As a "non-developer" infrastructure geek, working with a lot of devs over
the years I tend to throw developers into around 4 different buckets,
mostly windows, linux, application, or hardware devs.

1) Windows devs tend to be all about the MS Visual * IDE's for things
microsoft, or some other framework built around microsoft-y languages. They
usually went through some college or tech school that was funded on grants
by Microsoft kickbacks, started at mastering Excel, and moved to Visual
Basic, C++ or just blob together stuff in a .net hybrid framework.
Probably don't even know how to maintain, network, or secure even the
windows server they work atop, and pretty narrow in vision around their
given choice of dev languages or frameworks.

2) Linux devs are usually versatile hacker types, jack of all trades,
masters (eventually) of a few, probably never bothered with much "higher
education", but know their way around not only their code but also the
systems they run on.  They usually know networking well enough to tcpdump
things or setup bonded interfaces, know at least basic security, and know
enough to set up their own web servers, runtime environments, or whatever
they work in most.  They probably know more about windows than windows devs
do, and tell no one lest someone makes them do that too.  They're either
hardcore and use a linux desktop, otherwise probably a mac, or hate their
lives stuck using a corp windoze laptop and living through an ssh client.

3) Application devs tend to be abstracted from any OS, usually more
involved writing glue between services and frameworks more on the backend,
or more focused on front-end UI for users glued to backend services.  These
folks are usually not concerned with the OS or systems they run on, so long
as the OS has a means of running their code directly, or some client ala
web browser or dedicated front-end to access it.  They just need a place to
drop code that works to do what they're creating, only know enough
server/OS to triage their runtime environment basically, or they go find
someone to fix their environment whatever OS it's on.  I usually lump
database folks in here too generically, as some like this and other
applications/services can be massively complex in their own right that an
OS is the least of their concerns - Oracle and SAP folks are good examples
of this.

4) Hardware devs tend to be interesting folks, like baby pigeons, they're
often heard but never seen.  I occasionally meet them working with
infrastructure hardware vendors, and usually pretty interesting folks, but
all kinds of different mad scientists.  I find them more like applications
folks that just need access to whatever OS their development environment
works best on, be that windows, mac, or linux and only know enough to
support their use of the tools.  More and more this changes still as almost
any hardware including networking, storage, embedded device systems, or IOT
gadget runs linux today, so even in hardware development there is no
escaping it fully.

Is it fair to expect cross-platform skill or expertise?  No, but these days
it can only help as orgs move toward "cloud", and the cloud is probably 80%
linux from the network hardware to the hypervisors that run your little
windoze system on.  NOT knowing ANY linux is merely sticking your head in
the ground hoping it will go away, until it eats you.  Hell, even Microsoft
Azure's best selling product is linux, so it's not hard to understand why
the Beast of Redmond is finally playing nice(er) with linux.  It's a hard
pill to swallow for those that have only ever known working on windoze,
those that won't evolve outside their bubble will probably die in their
careers doing so as with still 80% of desktops still using windows, Active
Directory, and all the supporting systems to keep it safe and secure,
someone has to support those stuck using it.

-mb


On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:12 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a PHP developer and always thought all opensource developers had at
> least some knowledge of Linux.
>
> Recently I watched a YouTube video that stated otherwise.  The presenter
> said it is important to know Linux which will set one apart from the
> crowd.
>
> I have been "messing"/"playing"/"working" with Linux since around 1998
> or so. Learned a lot and have a lot 

Re: Kodi

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I think he's asking for something of a one-stop shop for media aggregation
across services, paid or not.  I'm not sure such exists now that all the
fragmentation has occurred.  My nvidia shield or any android tv does have
google voice search capabilities, and I think if you have the service apps,
it will search those (or knows how to index them anyways).  My girl has
used it to search for something on netflix ot youtube, but not sure how
smart it is with so many services now, particularly more janky and
non-mainstream ones.

In kodi, if you search star trek, it shows you or search what you have, and
one click later you're watching it, or you go to whatever your trusty
source and download it.  Now you have to figure out which service has it
that month, if any do, how much it costs to get the service, and or "rent
the movie" atop that.  Maybe IMDB or other tv/movie stites would tell you
what is playing where, but never really looked.

Cable MSO's screwed their pooch being that one stop for all video not
offering ala cart channels or better pricing options, that since they
refused so long, the consumers and media industry moved on from their model
without them.  Netflix was almost that again, but media cartel greed turned
into just a mess in general with the upstart service fragmentation that no
one really likes either, which takes us back to Mike's question and (I
think) underlying problem.

You know who almost always has whatever I want to watch in one place?  The
pirate bay - best of everything internationally, the price is always right,
and never ads in my shows or movies.  I can afford them, but I see no
benefit for me to ever do so, plus I see the media cartels can still afford
to go on without my going to theaters or monthly service fees that I sleep
at night after 25 years of downloading what I watch.  Good luck with the 50
different media services to still be annoyed and inconvenienced with a high
monthly cost for them all.

-mb



On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 6:15 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> Okay, seriously though, please re-articulate your question. It was unclear
> what you were asking.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 17:25 Michael  wrote:
>
>> Ok, thanks.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 8:15 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>
>>> You can give me money and I'll make sure all the stuff you stole back
>>> then gets paid for. Promise.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alexander
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 16:28 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah I waas pirating movies and such until 4 years ago. Now I want to
 pay for my tv. We got net flix right now. How do I get an add on that gives
 us like xbmc was when I was pirating my content and how do I pay for it???

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Ubuntu moving to rolling releases

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

This is interesting news - ubuntu moving to rolling releases.

https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-becomes-a-rolling-release-with-rolling-rhino/

This is largely what drove me to using arch, as every release upgrade of
ubuntu was a goddamn nightmare, and haven't really considered ubuntu
outside of purpose-built (and destructible) vm servers since.  My love of
arch is not without issues, upgrades can be painful at times too unless
you're the kind to reboot often and upgrade weekly, but just isn't how I
work, so interested how ubuntu fares with the rolling releases.

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Re: GNOME or KDE?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

>> I never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I
start it.

Funny, this is one of my biggest complaints about KDE since the 4.x days.
I use a thunderbolt dock for my 2 external displays, and occasionally will
lose power or accidentally wiggle the laptop too much, power down the
displays, or just want to save on power/heat to power off myself, all hell
breaks loose.  Often once they come back up, it'll do some random
combination of one or all of 1) reverse the order of the displays, 2) reset
all settings of my displays (like resolution/hz), 3) jumble every damn
window of mine to random places, 4) move everything to one display only,
and 5) resize all my windows only on my 3rd display only to be 1px wide.
This is a 4k monitor with not very thick window borders to begin with to do
so!

Freakin' maddening, particularly #5 makes me want 5 finger death punch my
display when I have to manually resize a few dozen windows on it!  Even
worse about #5 above, once I resize the window, if I try to move the window
vs. resize it, it snaps like a rubberband to be 1px wide again.  What the
hell would you even begin with to troubleshoot *that*?.  Is it kde base,
kwin, video drivers/card, hdmi vs. displayport, mesa, or xorg?  They all
blame each other, or me for being fancy with my hardware, so I gave up
trying.

Trying to describe these to resolve in a bugtracker only nets me somewhere
between a confused wtf sort of answer or "ohh, mr fancy with 3x 4k
displays, none of us have that to test with, sorry not sorry".  It's like
that Dave Chappelle episode teaching customer service at the printers, "If
the customer says they have windows, tell them you only know mac.  If they
say they have mac, tell them you only know windows.  If they say they have
windows and mac, tell them you only know linux!"

I've tried gnome shell (hate it), cinnamon (tolerate it, has it's own
display issues), mate (like it, but missing functionality I'm used to in
Cinnamon and/or KDE), and unity (hated it, thankfully rip), still come back
to KDE even with maddening persistent multi-monitor flaws for well over a
decade now.  I've tried xfce, i3, some others, but just never "got it".  I
am not a developer and understand why they prefer the tiling - I just don't
work that way 98% of the time.  I move windows lots, and keep a lot of apps
open buried in layers, calling them forth from my dock as needed, for that
KDE + Cairo-Dock work great, so long as I keep the displays powered up 24/7.

-mb


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> I have Kubuntu installed on my machine.  I like it but the only thing
> that bugs me about KDE is that I have 2 monitors on this machine and I
> never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I start it.
>
> On 3/22/22 15:23, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > In the past there has been some discussion about which is better GNOME
> > or KDE?  I like Mint and I see it offers MATE (a fork of GNOME 2) or
> > Cinnamon (a fork of GNOME 3).  It has been years and I think I
> > selected Cinnamon for my desktop.
> >
> > Does it matter?
> >
> > I tried Ubuntu and I did not like it for my workstation.  However for
> > servers I only want Ubuntu.
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> > PS I'm on a mission and might have dozens of questions.  Thank you in
> > advance!!
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Re: ot - gas price

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Don't like gas prices?  Guess you could always try your luck with this
approach...

https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/19/gas-pumps-insecure-typical-router/

Wouldn't surprise me to find out those things hang out on probably insecure
wireless at the more janky stations that can't be bothered or too cheap to
run ethernet drops out there to the pumps.

-mb


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> Michael,  AAA does a good job of tracking gas prices  -
> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
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Re: external U.S.robotics fax modem

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I suppose maybe some industries are still weird like that still and require
some sort of fax, but for probably a better chunk of a decade I just edit
the PDF, apply a transparent png of my signature I created, and "sign" docs
as needed to email back to someone easy enough.  Saves on dead trees, and
an annoyed me as I have to travel somewhere for a working printer and/or
fax, plus quick turn-around for signed docs.

What are you doing that requires such dedication to legacy technology. ie
faxing?  Nothing cheaper than free by not printing or faxing anything, and
Master PDF Editor still has a free version that works splendidly that I've
used for most or all that past decade.

-mb


On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:49 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss <
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> I usually get documents or forms that needs to be done on the computer. I
> guess I'm just old school. :)
> The way the mail is getting slower and slower. I have been waiting for
> documents to come in the mail and never get it.
> I'm still waiting for a document to come in the mail from a month ago.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, at 16:42, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > On 2022-03-10 15:30, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> I'm looking to setup my computer for faxes sending and receiving. I'm
> >> looking at using the U.S. robotics fax modem but unsure if the two fax
> >> software made for Linux will support it as I would be using a USB
> >> adapter for serial port connection to the fax modem.
> >
> > I think most USB to 9-pin converters work pretty well these days.  They
> > should show up as /dev/ttyUSB0 .  efax and efax-gtk (or hylafax) should
> > both work with whatever device node it shows up as.
> >
> >> I once used such a modem with Linux a couple of decades ago.
> >> But I used a script for the fax modem to make the
> >> connection. So [will it] run with Linux[?]
> >
> > Highly probable if the thing has a 9-pin serial port.  ISTR hylafax was
> > a thing in 1998, so it's not like this hasn't been a solved problem for
> > a while.  The main question I have is:  Why is anyone faxing anything?
> > It's probably faster to take a picture of 1 page and mail it with a cell
> > phone now than it is to scan 1 page, encode it as G3, convert it to
> > analog, transmit it, and reverse all that to print it out at the
> > destination.
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Re: m.2 2280

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I'm not so much a fan of crucial anymore, I lost a few of their earlier
SSD's and mostly wrote them off as incompetent.

Really the trick is just match up the pcie bus, so if a 3.0 bus, get a 3.0
m.2, or if a 4.0, get a 4.0 m.2.  That and make sure the slot supports up
to a 2280, but most disks use these.  Get some heatsinks too for it if
yours doesn't have them, most just thermal stick tape on.

I'd recommend Samsung normally, but heard the new 980's had some issues
with linux that degrades performance from Phoronix a few months back.  I've
used the 960 and 970's though, and first ssd's I've gotten to last more
than 6 months using mdraid, luks, and lvm atop.  My laptop has a toshiba
m.2 I've used around 4 years now and not died as well, a bit surprising,
but no raid on it, just luks and lvm on single disk.

HTH!

-mb


On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 5:34 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
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> moin moin,
>
> I'm looking to upgrade my NVMe drive and get two in order to mirror.
>
> I see crucial has several differently priced options. They're all
> m.2 2280, so they should all work, right?
>
> Here's what I have now:
>
>
> https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-1tb/p/N82E16820009012?Item=N82E16820009012
>
>
> https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite/p/N82E16813145160?Item=N82E16813145160
>
> Options:
>
>
> https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2tb-p2/p/N82E16820156274?Description=m2_re=m2-_-20-156-274-_-Product
>
>
> https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2tb-p5/p/N82E16820156250?Description=m2_re=m2-_-20-156-250-_-Product
>
>
> https://www.newegg.com/crucial-2tb-p5-plus/p/N82E16820156281?Description=m2_re=m2-_-20-156-281-_-Product
>
> Also, since these are hard drives, I could get any two similarly speeded
> 2TB drives for mirroring on that mother board?
>
> Don't have to worry about batch matching or anything like RAM sometimes
> needs?
>
> Need to make sure to get heat syncs with these puppies.
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: Demand for programmers who know system admin stuff

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

With the whole transition to libera.chat for irc and taking some time off
from work, I've taken to hanging out there a bit, and this is a common
thing I'm seeing in the #networking chat.  I'm seeing a lot of devs showing
up in #networking asking for hosting/sysadmin stuff lots, ala "how to make
apache do x", or "how do I automate my servers", which I find weird as
that's sysadmin stuff normally (to me).  Oddly enough it's a pretty diverse
crowd of folks that are kinda hybrids, done networking, done sysadmin, some
are php/web devs, etc, but lots of system-centric stuff so it tends to work
out for info seekers.  I suspect if I went into #sysadmin or like, they'd
know nothing of networking, but #networking tends to come from diverse
enough roots they do this stuff too, or did at one point at least.

Moral is, there's a lot of crossover these days, and folks need to know
some dev, some sysadmin, and some networking.  The line blurs, but people
can't just be like "well, I only do mssql or active directory" anymore,
they're replaceable with shell scripts.  I've done unix/linux, some dev,
some dba, some windoze, everything between along with a strong focus and
experience in networking, and it's paid dividends as I figure out what
others don't as a result.

Comparing to the OSI model of networking, I work mostly layer 1-7 up, but
most dev/app/sysadmins work layer 7 down, and really have no idea below
around layer 5 or so, much to their detriment.  Best these days to be well
versed across the board to some extent.  Take a ccna class online, even if
you don't get the cert, you'll probably understand things a lot more to
make your life easier.

-mb


On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've watched more than a few of NetworkChuck's videos.  Here he is on a
> programmer's channel talking about programmers learning networking.
> I've always thought all web programmers have some Linux skills, and
> maybe that is not what he is talking about.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlN-vMF13QY=0s
>
> How does this work for hosting admin?  Is there the same demand in the
> hosting admin niche?  If so what exactly should one know and what types
> of jobs can they get?
>
> He mentions Python - is that the programming language to know for server
> automation?  He also mentioned Perl.  I thought Perl was/is dead?
>
> I'm a PHP developer and find a lot of hosting tools such as Plesk and
> ISPConfig are written in PHP and use MySQL.
>
> Your Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!!
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Re: Compile firefox on arch

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Not worth the time honestly.  Unless you have a very distinct reason to do
so, ie you're optimizing something, adding a feature that wasn't compiled
in (ie debugging/testing new), it's simply not worth it for weirdness like
you found that someone smarter than you and I already has fixed, so why
knock it.

There should be source packages available for how the packages were
compiled in the first place, I would start there and see how they
patched/built it and got it to work first, then if you really want to,
tweak the build flags backward from that.

-mb


On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 3:20 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> or else do you think it is worth the effort and time it takes to
> compile it?
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 1:03 PM Michael  wrote:
>
>> I get the following error:
>>
>> 0001-Use-remoting-name-for-GDK-application-names.patch was not found in
>> the build directory and is not a URL.
>>
>> So I google the patch and find one (which I can't find again) to put in
>> the build directory but what I found was a arch page which I don't know how
>> to use, And then again there is the URL thing. Could some one help me learn?
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Modern mobo/component upgrades for old IBM Thinkpads

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Hi All,

I know many of you have expressed your love of Thinkpads over the years,
particularly back in the days when IBM still made them with quality.  I
came across this where there's a crowdfunding project to make complete
drop-in replacement mobo's for the most loved models with fully modern
processors, i/o ports, drives, and everything.  Even recommendations for
replacing the displays with modern 4k equivalents, though some require cnc
milling to open up the space.

Pretty nifty stuff actually, got me thinking some about this even...

https://www.xyte.ch/t700-crowdfunding/

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Re: wifi and arch (or perhaps I should say systemd or iwd)

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Not sure, I very rarely ever do, and generally just the networkmanager gui
aspect.  I'd much recommend largely the same.  Probably using that, just
omit the password statement all together.  Otherwise probably someone has
done it on google.

Should you?  Probably not, you're unencrypted at that point, and anyone can
be sniffing your packets that arent ssl/tls or other encrypted.  I really
only connect to unknown, unencrypted open wifi out of sheer desperation.

-mb



On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 12:37 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> About being able to login from the resort. How would I login to a network
> that does not require a password? I think:
>
>
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli radio wifi
> enabled
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect  password  blank>
>
> or
>
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli radio wifi
> enabled
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect 
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Re: wifi and arch (or perhaps I should say systemd or iwd)

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Oh yeah, maybe change your password to the ssid, maybe the ssid name too
since you posted it in your email too for google to index off the internet
being a mailing list.

/me strikes Mike's knuckles with a ruler, "Don't do that."  :)

-mb



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> thanks Mike. I had to enable the it:
>
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli radio wifi
> enabled
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48 password
> sweetdaisy507
> Device 'wlan0' successfully activated with
> '4e83077c-e4c4-4de6-9e6b-4f5ca37c451e'.
>
> and after that wifi worked. Now I can take my computer with us when we go
> away for the weekend and need two computers!
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 11:12 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> That seems weird, can you try it from the gui?  You should a
>> networkmanager icon in your tray on most Desktop Environments.
>>
>> Also, maybe try walking through these steps in this link, verify the
>> radios are on, and a few different ways to connect.
>>
>> https://fedingo.com/how-to-connect-to-wifi-using-nmcli/
>>
>> I'm running out of ideas though.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 9:05 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> google is such a bud! I was unsure of how to use network manager (didn't
>>> even know if it was installed) so I finally googled it. Well it is
>>> installed but I still get an error. it is complaining about 'secrets'. So I
>>> googled the error and that ultimately lead me to:
>>>
>>>  https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,2334.0.html
>>>
>>> instructing me to delete the ssdi. but I still get the same error
>>> message:
>>>
>>>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48
>>> password sweetdaisy507
>>>  Error: Connection activation failed: (7) Secrets were required, but
>>> not provided.
>>>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli connection delete NETGEAR48
>>>  Connection 'NETGEAR48' (18078f46-de97-41d5-84dc-0c0effce12e8)
>>> successfully deleted.
>>>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48
>>> password sweetdaisy507
>>>  Error: Connection activation failed: (7) Secrets were required, but
>>> not provided.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:00 PM Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> there is no activity the bytes send/receive is blank and it only
>>>> shows a port and ethernet  with a red 'x' so that tells me it isn't seeing
>>>> the wifi card. and don't ask I never had the ethernet cable until I
>>>> tried arch.
>>>> network manager? well I installed arch via the ISO and typing
>>>> 'archinstall'.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:54 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Did you install a full desktop on it?  If so, you should have
>>>>> NetworkManager in some flavor present, if not, highly suggest using that.
>>>>> It's probably a bit easier to troubleshoot with nmcli and the gui itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you look at logs with journalctl -f while doing so, any logs there
>>>>> point to problems?
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, maybe just make sure the wlan nic is working doing some
>>>>> basic kismet scans that you're seeing yourself and your neighbors ssid's
>>>>> pop up.  As long as you're seeing traffic, it *should* work.
>>>>>
>>>>> -mb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I connect to the internet ( I guess):
>>>>>> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
>>>>>> [iwd]# station wlan0 connect NETGEAR48
>>>>>> [iwd]#
>>>>>> (I had entered my password before)
>>>>>> but nothing happens (no WIFI icon). So I unplug the ethernet and
>>>>>> restart the computer but still nothing (and no internet as well in case 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> were wondering). So I ran
>>>>>> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
>>>>>> [

Re: wifi and arch (or perhaps I should say systemd or iwd)

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

W00t, glad it worked out with that.  Kinda wondering it was even enabled,
but weird it would complain about just the authentication and not "radio is
down, maybe enable it?" sort of message.

-mb

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> thanks Mike. I had to enable the it:
>
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli radio wifi
> enabled
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48 password
> sweetdaisy507
> Device 'wlan0' successfully activated with
> '4e83077c-e4c4-4de6-9e6b-4f5ca37c451e'.
>
> and after that wifi worked. Now I can take my computer with us when we go
> away for the weekend and need two computers!
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 11:12 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> That seems weird, can you try it from the gui?  You should a
>> networkmanager icon in your tray on most Desktop Environments.
>>
>> Also, maybe try walking through these steps in this link, verify the
>> radios are on, and a few different ways to connect.
>>
>> https://fedingo.com/how-to-connect-to-wifi-using-nmcli/
>>
>> I'm running out of ideas though.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 9:05 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> google is such a bud! I was unsure of how to use network manager (didn't
>>> even know if it was installed) so I finally googled it. Well it is
>>> installed but I still get an error. it is complaining about 'secrets'. So I
>>> googled the error and that ultimately lead me to:
>>>
>>>  https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,2334.0.html
>>>
>>> instructing me to delete the ssdi. but I still get the same error
>>> message:
>>>
>>>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48
>>> password sweetdaisy507
>>>  Error: Connection activation failed: (7) Secrets were required, but
>>> not provided.
>>>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli connection delete NETGEAR48
>>>  Connection 'NETGEAR48' (18078f46-de97-41d5-84dc-0c0effce12e8)
>>> successfully deleted.
>>>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48
>>> password sweetdaisy507
>>>  Error: Connection activation failed: (7) Secrets were required, but
>>> not provided.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:00 PM Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> there is no activity the bytes send/receive is blank and it only
>>>> shows a port and ethernet  with a red 'x' so that tells me it isn't seeing
>>>> the wifi card. and don't ask I never had the ethernet cable until I
>>>> tried arch.
>>>> network manager? well I installed arch via the ISO and typing
>>>> 'archinstall'.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:54 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Did you install a full desktop on it?  If so, you should have
>>>>> NetworkManager in some flavor present, if not, highly suggest using that.
>>>>> It's probably a bit easier to troubleshoot with nmcli and the gui itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you look at logs with journalctl -f while doing so, any logs there
>>>>> point to problems?
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, maybe just make sure the wlan nic is working doing some
>>>>> basic kismet scans that you're seeing yourself and your neighbors ssid's
>>>>> pop up.  As long as you're seeing traffic, it *should* work.
>>>>>
>>>>> -mb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I connect to the internet ( I guess):
>>>>>> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
>>>>>> [iwd]# station wlan0 connect NETGEAR48
>>>>>> [iwd]#
>>>>>> (I had entered my password before)
>>>>>> but nothing happens (no WIFI icon). So I unplug the ethernet and
>>>>>> restart the computer but still nothing (and no internet as well in case 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> were wondering). So I ran
>>>>>> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
>>>>>> [iwd]# station wlan0 connect NETGEAR48
>>>>>> again but still no 

Re: wifi and arch (or perhaps I should say systemd or iwd)

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

That seems weird, can you try it from the gui?  You should a networkmanager
icon in your tray on most Desktop Environments.

Also, maybe try walking through these steps in this link, verify the radios
are on, and a few different ways to connect.

https://fedingo.com/how-to-connect-to-wifi-using-nmcli/

I'm running out of ideas though.

-mb


On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 9:05 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> google is such a bud! I was unsure of how to use network manager (didn't
> even know if it was installed) so I finally googled it. Well it is
> installed but I still get an error. it is complaining about 'secrets'. So I
> googled the error and that ultimately lead me to:
>
>  https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,2334.0.html
>
> instructing me to delete the ssdi. but I still get the same error message:
>
>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48 password
> sweetdaisy507
>  Error: Connection activation failed: (7) Secrets were required, but
> not provided.
>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli connection delete NETGEAR48
>  Connection 'NETGEAR48' (18078f46-de97-41d5-84dc-0c0effce12e8)
> successfully deleted.
>  [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect NETGEAR48 password
> sweetdaisy507
>  Error: Connection activation failed: (7) Secrets were required, but
> not provided.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:00 PM Michael  wrote:
>
>> there is no activity the bytes send/receive is blank and it only
>> shows a port and ethernet  with a red 'x' so that tells me it isn't seeing
>> the wifi card. and don't ask I never had the ethernet cable until I
>> tried arch.
>> network manager? well I installed arch via the ISO and typing
>> 'archinstall'.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:54 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you install a full desktop on it?  If so, you should have
>>> NetworkManager in some flavor present, if not, highly suggest using that.
>>> It's probably a bit easier to troubleshoot with nmcli and the gui itself.
>>>
>>> If you look at logs with journalctl -f while doing so, any logs there
>>> point to problems?
>>>
>>> Otherwise, maybe just make sure the wlan nic is working doing some basic
>>> kismet scans that you're seeing yourself and your neighbors ssid's pop up.
>>> As long as you're seeing traffic, it *should* work.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I connect to the internet ( I guess):
>>>> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
>>>> [iwd]# station wlan0 connect NETGEAR48
>>>> [iwd]#
>>>> (I had entered my password before)
>>>> but nothing happens (no WIFI icon). So I unplug the ethernet and
>>>> restart the computer but still nothing (and no internet as well in case you
>>>> were wondering). So I ran
>>>> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
>>>> [iwd]# station wlan0 connect NETGEAR48
>>>> again but still no internet. So, please, how do I get WIFI going?
>>>> --
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Re: wifi and arch (or perhaps I should say systemd or iwd)

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Did you install a full desktop on it?  If so, you should have
NetworkManager in some flavor present, if not, highly suggest using that.
It's probably a bit easier to troubleshoot with nmcli and the gui itself.

If you look at logs with journalctl -f while doing so, any logs there point
to problems?

Otherwise, maybe just make sure the wlan nic is working doing some basic
kismet scans that you're seeing yourself and your neighbors ssid's pop up.
As long as you're seeing traffic, it *should* work.

-mb


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I connect to the internet ( I guess):
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
> [iwd]# station wlan0 connect NETGEAR48
> [iwd]#
> (I had entered my password before)
> but nothing happens (no WIFI icon). So I unplug the ethernet and restart
> the computer but still nothing (and no internet as well in case you were
> wondering). So I ran
> [bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ iwctl
> [iwd]# station wlan0 connect NETGEAR48
> again but still no internet. So, please, how do I get WIFI going?
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: Reliable ISP?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Sorry, CenturyLink.

-mb

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:41 PM  wrote:

>
> Sorry... who is CL?
>
>
> On 2021-11-18 14:25, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> You think CBS service is pricey compared to residential?  I pay
> > $79/mo for CBS for Internet only.
> >
> > Well, admittedly I've not looked at CBS service in a while, I switched
> > from Cox to CL a few years ago when they implemented bandwidth caps,
> > and never really looked back, but that pricing seems not too bad now.
> > Someone probably realized folks were going elsewhere and decided to be
> > more competitive, plus with them offering even gig rates over cable,
> > 50mbps sounds like crap so they can sell it cheaper, but would
> > probably still be adequate for me as that's about what I had on
> > residential when I left cox years ago.  My torrents might take a bit
> > longer, but that's ok, and I don't have a house of kids (or even
> > adults) all streaming netflix at the same time to need more.
> >
> > In the past, there was a significant drop in bandwidth for CBS from
> > residential services that took it well over 100 bucks (closer to $200)
> > to get a comparable CBS circuit, and because they've laxed a lot of
> > the port restrictions over the years simply wasn't necessary outside
> > maybe support to get someone out same-day if needed.  Even when I
> > worked for them I thought it was overpriced.
> >
> > I can't complain too much about CL other than lately congestion in the
> > evenings I can quantify (which Cox would too), and 125mbps down for
> > $55/mo is a win/win in my book over cox at half the bandwidth and
> > paying some $25 more per month.  In the few years I've been with them,
> > I've had no hard outages either.  I can still https to my firewall for
> > vpn, all I really need.  Something to be said for legacy 2-wire
> > technology where available if you don't need 100's of mbps or gig
> > rates (which most really still don't).
> >
> > -mb
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
> >
> >> You think CBS service is pricey compared to residential?  I pay
> >> $79/mo
> >> for CBS for Internet only.  I looked into residential a while ago
> >> and
> >> found that after that initial discount the cost of residential
> >> service
> >> for just Internet was about the same.
> >>
> >> The difference I found was T.V. channels.  The packages differ.
> >>
> >> I may have hit my limit with running a server... may not need/want
> >> to go
> >> any further.  Was satisfying to be able to be able to get things
> >> running
> >> though. Bind and Postfix/Dovecot where the challenges for me.
> >> Especially
> >> Postfix/Dovecot.
> >>
> >> On 2021-11-18 13:15, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>>> I am told I can rent more static IPs... I assume I will need
> >> some
> >>> hardware to be able to accommodate more than 1 IP unless I am port
> >>> forwarding to different boxes.
> >>>
> >>> Not really, just about any *nix-y system can accommodate that with
> >> NAT
> >>> as a firewall/router/gateway, whatever you want to call it, with
> >> one
> >>> ip or many.  Even basic WRT-based systems ala netgear/linksys can
> >> tend
> >>> to handle this in theory with basic network iptables features.
> >>> Probably best would be something like pfsync, which there is
> >> plenty of
> >>> cheap gateway hardware out there that can run it, or any older
> >> (ie.
> >>> cheap) enterprise firewalls.
> >>>
> >>> Old days the biggest reason for multiple ip's was SSL requiring
> >> 1:1 IP
> >>> to DNS binding, but this has gotten easier out of necessity with
> >> use
> >>> of Subject Alternative Names (SAN) as part of the certs.  If you
> >> need
> >>> the same external port being forwarded to multiple internal
> >>> ports/services is about the only other reason for multiple ip's,
> >> but
> >>> as long as you can define separate ports for what is connecting to
> >> it,
> >>> not so much.
> >>>
> >>> When you get to the point you want to do so, more than few of us
> >> have
> >>> probably done so to help you through it and understand the
> >> concepts
> >>> once you know what you need/want to do.
> >>>
> >>>>> Cox Business does

Re: Reliable ISP?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

>> I thought it would be convenient and simple to have a separate Raspberry
Pi server for each site that I am hosting...

No reason to really do that today, you can do this all with apache vhosts
today, with or without SSL.  As I mentioned in my last email, with the
introduction of SAN fields in SSL certs, this is entirely unnecessary now.
Back at Godaddy early before SAN records, we would soak up ipv4 addresses
by the /17-19 CIDR blocks for SSL hosting, but ARIN and others figured out
quick with ipv4 exhaustion this was untenable, so they fixed SSL around
this.  With SAN records, you can have multiple SSL domain names and urls
for vhosts to a single cert, so long as the SAN records match the requested
url within the cert.  Plenty of docs out there to do this, and you can save
not needing to buy a /28 CIDR block from cox (and waste more ipv4 addresses
when we're all out).

If you really wanted to do more 1:1, you need a firewall that can do
complex enough NAT (network address translation) across multiple addresses
external to internal private addressing.  This is quite simple to setup
assuming your firewall is capable ala pfsync or a more enterprise-y
firewall.  Even buying a cheaper enterprise Fortigate firewall for 400/500
bucks is well capable, not to mention Ubiquiti, Adtran, or numerous other
cheaper enterprise-y class devices.

If you have 10 rpi's, you just create a 1:1 translation from your 10
external ip's to whatever internal ip's you have.

Example:
Cox 24.1.2.18:80 translates to Internal 10.1.2.10:80 for http
Cox 24.1.2.19:53 translates to Internal 10.1.2.11:53 for dns
Cox 24.1.2.20:* translates to Internal 10.1.2.100:* for all ports
... etc, repeat for each ip:ports needed.

This sort of thing is mostly what I do as a network and firewall dude, glad
to help via this list or more realtime chat, jump in the PLUG IRC.

-mb


On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:46 PM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I got a block of 16 static public IP's (I think it's called a CIMD /28 or
> some such lingo).  The uppermost and lowest addresses in the block have a
> special purpose, but that leaves 14 usable static IP's.  With the one that
> I am using, there are 13 remaining ones, seemingly going to waste.
>
> I thought it would be convenient and simple to have a separate Raspberry
> Pi server for each site that I am hosting, each with a different static
> public IP.  But couldn't figure out how to do that.  My online research led
> nowhere -- knowledge in this area appears to be scarce.  Any advice would
> be greatly appreciated!
>
> (Incidentally I discovered that Apache has a feature called Virtual Hosts
> that let's you host multiple websites behind one static public IP.  Works
> great, except that only ONE of the sites hosted that way can have SSL
> enabled, due to the way Virtual Hosts works.  This is how I'm currently set
> up.)
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:15 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> >> I am told I can rent more static IPs... I assume I will need some
>> hardware to be able to accommodate more than 1 IP unless I am port
>> forwarding to different boxes.
>>
>> Not really, just about any *nix-y system can accommodate that with NAT as
>> a firewall/router/gateway, whatever you want to call it, with one ip or
>> many.  Even basic WRT-based systems ala netgear/linksys can tend to handle
>> this in theory with basic network iptables features.  Probably best would
>> be something like pfsync, which there is plenty of cheap gateway hardware
>> out there that can run it, or any older (ie. cheap) enterprise firewalls.
>>
>> Old days the biggest reason for multiple ip's was SSL requiring 1:1 IP to
>> DNS binding, but this has gotten easier out of necessity with use of
>> Subject Alternative Names (SAN) as part of the certs.  If you need the same
>> external port being forwarded to multiple internal ports/services is about
>> the only other reason for multiple ip's, but as long as you can define
>> separate ports for what is connecting to it, not so much.
>>
>> When you get to the point you want to do so, more than few of us have
>> probably done so to help you through it and understand the concepts once
>> you know what you need/want to do.
>>
>> >> Cox Business does not block any ports.
>>
>> The only residential ports they block really relevant these days is 80
>> for http (not 443/https, so why 80??), and smtp for email, but these days
>> there is little reason to run your own smtp server unless you're just doing
>> it to do it or honeypot spammers trying to hit you 24/7 for no good
>> reasons.  I'd run sslvpn for remote access on https/443 just fine on res
>

Re: Reliable ISP?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

>> You think CBS service is pricey compared to residential?  I pay $79/mo
for CBS for Internet only.

Well, admittedly I've not looked at CBS service in a while, I switched from
Cox to CL a few years ago when they implemented bandwidth caps, and never
really looked back, but that pricing seems not too bad now.  Someone
probably realized folks were going elsewhere and decided to be more
competitive, plus with them offering even gig rates over cable, 50mbps
sounds like crap so they can sell it cheaper, but would probably still be
adequate for me as that's about what I had on residential when I left cox
years ago.  My torrents might take a bit longer, but that's ok, and I don't
have a house of kids (or even adults) all streaming netflix at the same
time to need more.

In the past, there was a significant drop in bandwidth for CBS from
residential services that took it well over 100 bucks (closer to $200) to
get a comparable CBS circuit, and because they've laxed a lot of the port
restrictions over the years simply wasn't necessary outside maybe support
to get someone out same-day if needed.  Even when I worked for them I
thought it was overpriced.

I can't complain too much about CL other than lately congestion in the
evenings I can quantify (which Cox would too), and 125mbps down for $55/mo
is a win/win in my book over cox at half the bandwidth and paying some $25
more per month.  In the few years I've been with them, I've had no hard
outages either.  I can still https to my firewall for vpn, all I really
need.  Something to be said for legacy 2-wire technology where available if
you don't need 100's of mbps or gig rates (which most really still don't).

-mb


On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

> You think CBS service is pricey compared to residential?  I pay $79/mo
> for CBS for Internet only.  I looked into residential a while ago and
> found that after that initial discount the cost of residential service
> for just Internet was about the same.
>
> The difference I found was T.V. channels.  The packages differ.
>
> I may have hit my limit with running a server... may not need/want to go
> any further.  Was satisfying to be able to be able to get things running
> though. Bind and Postfix/Dovecot where the challenges for me. Especially
> Postfix/Dovecot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2021-11-18 13:15, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> I am told I can rent more static IPs... I assume I will need some
> > hardware to be able to accommodate more than 1 IP unless I am port
> > forwarding to different boxes.
> >
> > Not really, just about any *nix-y system can accommodate that with NAT
> > as a firewall/router/gateway, whatever you want to call it, with one
> > ip or many.  Even basic WRT-based systems ala netgear/linksys can tend
> > to handle this in theory with basic network iptables features.
> > Probably best would be something like pfsync, which there is plenty of
> > cheap gateway hardware out there that can run it, or any older (ie.
> > cheap) enterprise firewalls.
> >
> > Old days the biggest reason for multiple ip's was SSL requiring 1:1 IP
> > to DNS binding, but this has gotten easier out of necessity with use
> > of Subject Alternative Names (SAN) as part of the certs.  If you need
> > the same external port being forwarded to multiple internal
> > ports/services is about the only other reason for multiple ip's, but
> > as long as you can define separate ports for what is connecting to it,
> > not so much.
> >
> > When you get to the point you want to do so, more than few of us have
> > probably done so to help you through it and understand the concepts
> > once you know what you need/want to do.
> >
> >>> Cox Business does not block any ports.
> >
> > The only residential ports they block really relevant these days is 80
> > for http (not 443/https, so why 80??), and smtp for email, but these
> > days there is little reason to run your own smtp server unless you're
> > just doing it to do it or honeypot spammers trying to hit you 24/7 for
> > no good reasons.  I'd run sslvpn for remote access on https/443 just
> > fine on res service, I just need to make sure to type https://.
> >
> >>> I am satisfied with Cox Business
> >
> > CBS service is just pricey (compared to residential) to begin with,
> > unlimited bandwidth and unblocked ports or not imho, but otherwise
> > about the best/cheapest "business class" service/support you can get,
> > if you can get it in your hood.
> >
> > -mb
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:04 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I've had a Cox Business account for maybe 8 years.  I've on

Re: Reliable ISP?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

>> I am told I can rent more static IPs... I assume I will need some
hardware to be able to accommodate more than 1 IP unless I am port
forwarding to different boxes.

Not really, just about any *nix-y system can accommodate that with NAT as a
firewall/router/gateway, whatever you want to call it, with one ip or
many.  Even basic WRT-based systems ala netgear/linksys can tend to handle
this in theory with basic network iptables features.  Probably best would
be something like pfsync, which there is plenty of cheap gateway hardware
out there that can run it, or any older (ie. cheap) enterprise firewalls.

Old days the biggest reason for multiple ip's was SSL requiring 1:1 IP to
DNS binding, but this has gotten easier out of necessity with use of
Subject Alternative Names (SAN) as part of the certs.  If you need the same
external port being forwarded to multiple internal ports/services is about
the only other reason for multiple ip's, but as long as you can define
separate ports for what is connecting to it, not so much.

When you get to the point you want to do so, more than few of us have
probably done so to help you through it and understand the concepts once
you know what you need/want to do.

>> Cox Business does not block any ports.

The only residential ports they block really relevant these days is 80 for
http (not 443/https, so why 80??), and smtp for email, but these days there
is little reason to run your own smtp server unless you're just doing it to
do it or honeypot spammers trying to hit you 24/7 for no good reasons.  I'd
run sslvpn for remote access on https/443 just fine on res service, I just
need to make sure to type https://.

>> I am satisfied with Cox Business

CBS service is just pricey (compared to residential) to begin with,
unlimited bandwidth and unblocked ports or not imho, but otherwise about
the best/cheapest "business class" service/support you can get, if you can
get it in your hood.

-mb


On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:04 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> I've had a Cox Business account for maybe 8 years.  I've only had one
> outage, and it was short.  My package is a home office type of plan.  I
> am currently running a LAMP + BIND + Postfix + Dovecot on a laptop on my
> single static IP.  I am told I can rent more static IPs... I assume I
> will need some hardware to be able to accommodate more than 1 IP unless
> I am port forwarding to different boxes.
> I configured this server on a laptop to see if I could do it.  I am a
> PHP dev, with some light LAMP server experience.  I still have a lot to
> learn.
>
> Cox Business does not block any ports.
>
> Cox tells me there will never be any overages because on my plan I
> purchase a set up and down which cannot be exceeded.
>
> I am satisfied with Cox Business
>
>
> On 2021-11-14 11:21, Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Any recommendations for a reliable ISP?
> >
> > (Couldn't find any recent discussion in the PLUG archives, so am
> > asking here.)
> >
> > I currently have a business account (I'm running a small server on a
> > static public IP address for my business), but am having a *terrible*
> > time with my current ISP.  Worked *great* for about a year, but have
> > been having daily outages for about a month now.
> >
> > Don't even want to say the name for fear of being sued for libel. They
> > were honest enough to admit it is an "internal issue", and have no ETA
> > on a fix.  "[Their] technicians continue to work to resolve the
> > problem in [my] neighborhood.  Currently, there is no estimated time
> > for when service will be restored."
> >
> > I get the feeling they don't have a grasp on the problem, as when I
> > call their status line they report an outage even when the system is
> > up.  When my connection goes down, a modem reboot sometimes (but not
> > always) gets me connected again.
> >
> > Speed is not an issue.  But reliability is!  Any suggestions would be
> > greatly appreciated.
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Centurylink Internet Broken Today?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Just curious if others here have noticed CL internet being super flaky
today.  Saw some news earlier today there was rampant reachability issues
on the internet across services, still waiting for updates to that, but
having a lot of random reachability issues routing to different networks,
and see a ton of drops at their peering point as usual for phoenix these
days.  Not sure if just CL or the internet melting down as a whole due to
bad actors.

I can't even pull up slashdot currently, but saw this earlier.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/11/16/1811224/scores-of-internet-services-including-google-instagram-aws-twitter-spotify-discord-shopify-tiktok-are-facing-outage-users-say

Any modern linux should probably have mtr installed, curious to see what
others get even trying "mtr 1.1.1.1".  Something like this, that shows
something pretty broken between centurylink and level3 peering in san diego
where all our local internet egresses.  Cox usually does the same, dumping
residential traffic out LA to level3 too, but not sure how impacted they
are currently.

[image: image.png]

Thanks in advance for any input.

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Re: cmos battery

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Need to get some better tools then man.  Time to upgrade, still be cheaper
than paying someone else to fart with it.  :D

-mb


On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 5:52 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> The only thing I need them to do is loosen the screw s holding the board
> down. My little screwdriver doesn’t provide enough leverage.
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 7:26 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Don't take it somewhere, what sort of self-respecting geek are you?
>> They'll probably know less than you do and screw it up.
>>
>> Doesn't look hard, order a new battery and watch this.
>> https://youtu.be/GOtEPymBLBI
>>
>> Get yourself a phone repair kit ala ifixit
>> <https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Toolkits> or a clone of it on amazon
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Kaisi-Electronics-Professional-Precision-Screwdriver/dp/B07ZNHWHV5/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=phone+repair+tool+kit=1636935813=137-8165169-8140458=8-5=B07ZNHWHV5%2CB01GF0KV6G%2CB08SGM6F79%2CB015CMAJVK%2CB07ZB7FMLB%2CB08SGLSZFJ%2CB0718ZM6R1%2CB07Z913L48%2CB0968D5PSC%2CB08DRB1DFJ%2CB07GP3M2BM%2CB0822FS7Z6%2CB077D7WMZV%2CB07P6WSXBW%2CB08GCGKFLN%2CB0854JMCSR%2CB074M8NBZQ%2CB092JDD8M4%2CB08HH9CS3B%2CB01HT1BW0E=SCREWDRIVER>
>> (I have both, not much difference), all the tools you need.  Invest in
>> yourself vs. the random dude across the city.
>>
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 4:27 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely my computer Is a swall computer (7"x7") and I can't even see
>>> the battery.
>>>
>>> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/06787/intel-nuc.html
>>> Even lovelier: the board is screwed in tightly and I can't get the board
>>> off to access the battery. I'll take it somewhere and let someone else
>>> worry about it. On a positive note the box is about 8 years old and the
>>> battery is only rated for 3 if it isn't used. It has been sitting unused at
>>> my parent's place for 7 of those 8 years.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 1:23 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:47:09 -0500
>>>>
>>>> >When it begins to die does the clock not keep accurate time?
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >:-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>> https://lmgtfy.app/?q=computer+cmos+battery
>>>>
>>>> Be sure to skip the ads.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, Mike, if you have the slightest suspicion that your CMOS
>>>> battery is causing trouble with your computer, and the battery is more
>>>> than 1 year old (and remember, it could have been several months old if
>>>> you bought the computer new, several years old if you bought it used),
>>>> why not just spend five bucks for a new one, and for sure eliminate a
>>>> possible source of otherwise hard to diagnose intermittence?
>>>>
>>>> SteveT
>>>>
>>>> Steve Litt
>>>> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
>>>> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Re: cmos battery

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Don't take it somewhere, what sort of self-respecting geek are you?
They'll probably know less than you do and screw it up.

Doesn't look hard, order a new battery and watch this.
https://youtu.be/GOtEPymBLBI

Get yourself a phone repair kit ala ifixit
 or a clone of it on amazon

(I have both, not much difference), all the tools you need.  Invest in
yourself vs. the random dude across the city.

-mb


On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 4:27 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Lovely my computer Is a swall computer (7"x7") and I can't even see
> the battery.
>
> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/06787/intel-nuc.html
> Even lovelier: the board is screwed in tightly and I can't get the board
> off to access the battery. I'll take it somewhere and let someone else
> worry about it. On a positive note the box is about 8 years old and the
> battery is only rated for 3 if it isn't used. It has been sitting unused at
> my parent's place for 7 of those 8 years.
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 1:23 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Michael via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:47:09 -0500
>>
>> >When it begins to die does the clock not keep accurate time?
>> >
>> >--
>> >:-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> https://lmgtfy.app/?q=computer+cmos+battery
>>
>> Be sure to skip the ads.
>>
>> Seriously, Mike, if you have the slightest suspicion that your CMOS
>> battery is causing trouble with your computer, and the battery is more
>> than 1 year old (and remember, it could have been several months old if
>> you bought the computer new, several years old if you bought it used),
>> why not just spend five bucks for a new one, and for sure eliminate a
>> possible source of otherwise hard to diagnose intermittence?
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
>> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Re: Reliable ISP?

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

It would help to start with who and what service you have today, as well as
where you are roughly currently.

Some parts of town are ancient and just get the booty end of the stick, but
mostly everywhere around phoenix is decently serviced.  Fringes, it's more
selective and variable.

-mb


On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 11:21 AM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Any recommendations for a reliable ISP?
>
> (Couldn't find any recent discussion in the PLUG archives, so am asking
> here.)
>
> I currently have a business account (I'm running a small server on a
> static public IP address for my business), but am having a *terrible*
> time with my current ISP.  Worked *great* for about a year, but have been
> having daily outages for about a month now.
>
> Don't even want to say the name for fear of being sued for libel. They
> were honest enough to admit it is an "internal issue", and have no ETA on a
> fix.  "[Their] technicians continue to work to resolve the problem in [my]
> neighborhood.  Currently, there is no estimated time for when service will
> be restored."
>
> I get the feeling they don't have a grasp on the problem, as when I call
> their status line they report an outage even when the system is up.  When
> my connection goes down, a modem reboot sometimes (but not always) gets me
> connected again.
>
> Speed is not an issue.  But reliability is!  Any suggestions would be
> greatly appreciated.
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