[SlimDevices: Plugins] Softsqueeze trying to connect to Slim Server

2012-08-16 Thread mkomman

I have an Mac and try to use Softsqueeze but it still connecting to Slim
Server.
I have a Readynas with Logitec media server 772

In the preferences it recognizes my media server. But no connection

please help

marcel



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: WaveInput for Linux

2012-08-16 Thread atca

bpa wrote: 
 Usually a delay of 2-5 secs can be expected as a result of buffering and
 network transit etc..  Anyting more is due to extra buffering (e.g. LMS
 Radio Station buffer timeout set to 30) or delays in server audio
 processing (e.g. Pulse) or some other issue.

hmm LMS radio buffer is set to 3 seconds, I cannot imagine that Pulse
audio or transcoding can introduce 20 seconds of delay. I wonder where
my bottleneck is.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2012-08-16 Thread properjob

From the Tunein app (either presets or searching tunein, no difference)
I get the single option:

Title: BBC Radio 6 Music (AAA)
URL:
http://opml.radiotime.com/Tune.ashx?id=s44491partnerId=16username=properjob70
Bitrate: 48 kbps
Now Playing: Lauren Laverne 

Once tuned in to the station, from clicking the dj name to get More
info I've got a 128kbps WMA feed:-
File Format: Windows Media
Bitrate: 128kbps CBR
URL:
mms://wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/bbc_ami/6music/6music_bb_live_ep1_sl0?BBC-UID=044e3388e28641fdcd46e6d811367bc1c7edb79e6000828152b8c01443fcd028SSO2-UID=
Title: BBC 6Music



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2012-08-16 Thread bpa

properjob wrote: 
 Once tuned in to the station, from clicking the dj name to get More
 info I've got a 128kbps WMA feed

Does the stream stop and restart between the 48k and 128k streams ?  If
not then it sounds like Tunein is sending the wrong metadata (IIRC
thereis a separate metadata feed from Tunein) when station connects and
but LMS gets correct info from the audio stream when it plays.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: WaveInput for Linux

2012-08-16 Thread PasTim

atca wrote: 
 hmm LMS radio buffer is set to 3 seconds, I cannot imagine that Pulse
 audio or transcoding can introduce 20 seconds of delay. I wonder where
 my bottleneck is.
I had similar problems on Windows, and it was quite hard to persuade
others that it really was happening.  I spent ages trying to find out
where the data was being held, and never really got to the bottom of it,
so good luck hunting the data!  By looking at network traffic when I
started streaming, I proved the data was being buffered on the PC, not
in my Touch or elsewhere.  I seem to recall I also proved it was not
getting to LMS either, so was somewhere else in the chain.

Since then I moved on to Linux, didn't have much success with WaveInput
(possibly because of a slightly complex audio set-up with 2 different
cards, pulse audio and the rest), and eventually settled on using VLC to
stream to LMS.  It took me quite a lot of effort to get that to work,
but it was rewarded by a stable system with a 1-2 second delay.  My
disoriented ramblings on this are on pages 15/16 of this thread.

This solution has the added advantage that I can now do something more
complex which is quite important to me.  I want to listen to an internet
site on my Touch and Hi Fi in one room and I want to control what I hear
from the Internet sitting in that room.  However my LMS is in another
room (now running on VortexBox, but it could just as well be a PC
desktop running Linux or Windows).  Using a wireless laptop (running
Linux) I can now go to the website I want to listen to, start vlc to
stream the audio (wirelessly) to LMS elsewhere, and listen to the result
coming back to my Touch.  LMS effectively treats the stream as an
internet radio station, which I have stored as a favourite in LMS.  This
solution works well for me and has proved reliable.  I haven't had to
tinker with it at all once I had it set up correctly.  The only odd
wrinkle is that I could not stop the sound being played on my laptop -
muting my audio stopped the streaming.  The solution was to plug a
headphone adaptor into the headphone socket (crude, I know, but
effective).  

I did try running LMS on my ancient (2003) laptop but it wasn't really
up to it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: WaveInput for Linux

2012-08-16 Thread bpa

atca wrote: 
 . I wonder where my bottleneck is.

As Pastim has noted, for similar setups users have experienced widely
differing delays.

In your situation the audio stream has hairport, a named pipe, Pulse,
Pulse/alsa emulaton, arecord and LMS.  Each stage has opportuity to
buffer and also possible block waiting for input.

You should simplify - try to get hairport to stream directly into LMS
(i.e. hairport replaces ecasound/arecord).  IIRC It has been done by
another users.
What about the alsa loopback solution ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Beta version of SvrPowerControl

2012-08-16 Thread mfo

Hi Gordon,

I just discovered you plugin and I'm wondering if it could help me (I'm
suspecting it's a no but asking nonetheless, someone could have an idea
to help solve it).
I'm running an unusual setup to feed my SB (a radio and a boom):
- Machine hosting LMS is a Cubox from SolidRun runnning a Debian
- Cubox doesn't have large disk space attached so my music files are
stored on a NAS (Iomega IX2-200 Cloud Edition)
- I have a NFS mount on Cubox to the NAS to give the LMS access to my
music files
- NAS is not always on (power consumption, heat dissipation, noise)
- NAS is a bit old, doesn't support WOL (a crying shame if you ask me)
- NAS is plugged on a remote controlled electric plug which can be
controlled by Cubox (using RFXCOM and XPL technos)

Nowing all the above, here's what I'm trying to achieve:
- Whenever a SB is requesting a media file to Cubox that is stored on
the NAS: power up the NAS (through remote controlled plug), wait for it
to come up and mount the NFS share.
- When SB is powered off (with remote or button), unmount the NFS share
as I experience LMS hangs if the NAS is switched off while SB are still
depending on it for playing files.

I've got custom Bash scripts trying to achieve the above, they are
somewhat working, most of the time but it is globally not satisfying.

Is there an elegant solution to solve this ? Can the plugin help ? Do I
have to improve my scripts because there's no hope elsewhere ?

Thanks in advance to anyone bringing thoughts on this mess, which was
intended to be a master piece at the beginning :-)

Marc



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] OSX Mountain Lion sleep issues

2012-08-16 Thread danco

I'm getting further into things.

I'm not sure if the ps -ax bit needs = 1 or = 0. I think it may be 1
when run from the terminal but 0 when part of a shell script.

You can't use caffeinate on a Mac application, only on a Unix command.

So the caffeinate line needs to be

caffeinate -i open -W path to Waiter.app

I have seen suggested that it should be open -W -a but I don't know why
this should be. It may not apply in this case. The -W is important, as
caffeinate only stops sleep as long as open is running, and without the
-W this just opens the application and is then finished, while with -W
open remains active until the application is quit.

One can perhaps tidy up the script with a parameter to put Waiter into
the background (I think it is -g) plus a line (using osascript -e to
call an Applescript) to put Terminal into the background.

It looks to me as though Really Prevent Standby itself would work using
a suitable shell script along those lines to prevent standby rather than
the default option.

I'll be happy to test if Gordon or anyone want to work it out further,
or I might find the time to try it myself, now that I know how to use
caffeinate.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Beta version of SvrPowerControl

2012-08-16 Thread Simon_rb

gharris999 wrote: 
 Unless Windows 8 breaks code that was written for XP (and this would be
 really unlike Microsoft to do so) the current crop of utilities
 (SCPowerTool.exe, etc.) should work with Windows 8.  We'll just have to
 see.  I'm fairly hopeful on this point.  All the code that I wrote back
 in 1993 for the original release of Windows NT still works flawlessly
 with Windows 7 64bit.  In general, I think Microsoft does a very good
 job at maintaining backwards compatibility.
 
 At this point, I don't have any plans on upgrading my own boxes from
 Windows 7 anytime soon.  I'm feeling like a very old dog at the moment
 who is not anxious to learn the tricks of Metro...oops, 'Modern UI'.
 
 The big problem for me is that, living out in the sticks on the wrong
 side of the digital divide and relying on a flaky satellite based ISP,
 major OS  SDK upgrades are painfully slow and can sometimes chew up a
 month's worth of broadband in a couple of days.  Thus my upgrade to OS X
 Mtn Lion is on the back burner too.  I won't be spending any appreciable
 time in a bandwidth rich environment until the end of November.
 
 So, you're the dog now, man.  Let me know how it works.

Hi Gordon,

Thank you for replying so quickly. A few days into your plugin now and
it's still working great! Thank you for enlightening me lol. I'll test
and let you know.

Thank you again for a great plugin.

Regards



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2012-08-16 Thread properjob

bpa wrote: 
 Does the stream stop and restart between the 48k and 128k streams ?  If
 not then it sounds like Tunein is sending the wrong metadata (IIRC
 thereis a separate metadata feed from Tunein) when station connects (as
 BBC only determines bit rate of service after it does its geoip checking
 which Tunein probably cannot emulate) and but LMS gets correct info from
 the audio stream when it plays.
When you click the single 48kbps AAA stream offered there isn't any
noticeable point where it actually tunes into that stream, just a short
pause while it finds a stream to settle on (presumably performing the
geoIP check you've mentioned along the way) and then the 128kbps WMA
stream appears in the right hand LMS playlist screen.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2012-08-16 Thread bpa

properjob wrote: 
 When you click the single 48kbps AAA stream offered there is a short
 0.5s point when 48kbps appears on the LMS screen, then after this short
 pause it finds the 128kbps stream to settle on (presumably performing
 the geoIP check you've mentioned along the way) and then the 128kbps WMA
 stream appears in the right hand LMS playlist screen.
 There is no audible break in the stream and it's too short to hear
 whether there is any quality difference between the two (i.e. is it
 actually ever tuning into the 48kbps stream at all??)

This looks like Tunein providing misleading info especially as BBC do
not provide any 48k AAC stream - only 56k - they changed the 48k to 56k
AAC streams a few months ago.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2012-08-16 Thread properjob

bpa wrote: 
 This looks like Tunein providing misleading info especially as BBC do
 not provide any 48k AAC stream - only 56k - they changed the 48k to 56k
 AAC streams a few months ago.

Could be misleading - but FYI - on the Choose Streams screen on my
Blackberry one has a choice of 48kbps WMA, 48kbps AAC, 56kbps AAC and
128kbps AAC. All of them tune in...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Beta version of SvrPowerControl

2012-08-16 Thread epoch1970

mfo wrote: 
 #8230;
 - Cubox doesn't have large disk space attached so my music files are
 stored on a NAS (Iomega IX2-200 Cloud Edition)
 - I have a NFS mount on Cubox to the NAS to give the LMS access to my
 music files
 - NAS is not always on (power consumption, heat dissipation, noise)
 #8230;
 - When SB is powered off (with remote or button), unmount the NFS share
 as I experience LMS hangs if the NAS is switched off while SB are still
 depending on it for playing files.
 
What you want to do seems feasible, esp. with the help of LMS
plugins/the LMS CLI. 

Did you try using an automounter (autofs I suppose) on the Cubox and
simply react on a.) failures to mount - power up the NAS, b.) durable
absence of any mount - shutdown the NAS ?
I did that with a hacked AppleTV (v1) playing videos off a server under
power management. NFS clients with active mounts will belly up if the
server goes down. The only way around this is making certain no mounts
are active (by looking a the server, or by looking at each client). Then
the NFS server can go down with no adverse effect.

Beyond this raw approach, I am sure srvPowerControl can help but I am
not up to date on its feature list.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] OSX Mountain Lion sleep issues

2012-08-16 Thread dweezil

Interesting thread.

I have LMS on ML.   When I have the ML machine set to sleep after 30
mins I can wake it up when starting one of the SB3s or Touch on the same
network.   I can also wake it up by sending a WOL signal when on the
same network.

However I cannot get it to wake up, even if I sent a WOL when connecting
over the internet.

So I've had to set the sleep option to never on ML :-(



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: WaveInput for Linux

2012-08-16 Thread atca

bpa wrote: 
 As Pastim has noted, for similar setups users have experienced widely
 differing delays.
 
 In your situation the audio stream has hairport, a named pipe, Pulse,
 Pulse/alsa emulaton, arecord and LMS.  Each stage has opportuity to
 buffer and also possible block waiting for input.
 
 You should simplify - try to get hairport to stream directly into LMS
 (i.e. hairport replaces ecasound/arecord).  IIRC It has been done by
 another users.
 What about the alsa loopback solution ?

How can I stream shairport straight to LMS without ecasound/arecord??

Doesn't the pipe feed straight into ecasound, I fail to see where pulse
comes into the equation.

Unforunately I don't seem to have the alsa soundloop back module in my
kernel and trying to build it in has proven to be unsuccessful /
difficult.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC on ARM based NAS

2012-08-16 Thread stulluk

bpa wrote: 
 1. mms  rtsp
 
 mms is an old deprecated protocol (see
 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/library/82fb84a9-96f5-49dc-92d2-cf76c912aab8.aspx
 ) and not used (or even currently supported by Windows ) - often mms://
 url is rolled over to http: or MS rtsp. Not sure if MS rtsp is supported
 in implemented in mplayer.  There are 3 incompartible rtsp protocols all
 using rtsp:// - Apple, RealNetwork and MS.  You must make sure you
 choose the right one when building mplayer.
 
 ffmpeg supports mms but it must be included in the build - IIRC it used
 to be default in Linux builds but not in Windows builds. Also it seems
 change url from mms://  to mmsh://  or mmst:// depending on the
 underlying transport protocol see http://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.html#mmsh 
 
 2. Video
 I'm not familiar with video support so I cannot offer any opinion except
 that providing decoders in open source is only relevant if they are an
 API which can be used VLC, mpler, ffmped etc.

Thank you soo much again...

I have be able to get video with HTTP streaming from VLC, and play on
SDL... But speed looks too bad, because of mpeg decoder is still done by
software...

I am still thinking how to add my video decoder as an argument to -vo
option in mplayer. For example, in kubuntu, there are many, xv, X11,
directxetc.. But how about Arm-linux 

Is it possible to avoid using internal software decoders of mplayer,
just let it passthrough the stream to a FILE or some device?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: WaveInput for Linux

2012-08-16 Thread bpa

atca wrote: 
 How can I stream shairport straight to LMS without ecasound/arecord??
 
 Doesn't the pipe feed straight into ecasound, I fail to see where pulse
 comes into the equation.
My mistake, somehow I thought you were doing something different from
stuart ( http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/762  )  but in fact it
is very similar and Stuart does not seem to have the delay issue.  what
is different in your setup compared to Stuart's ?


 Unforunately I don't seem to have the alsa soundloop back module in my
 kernel and trying to build it in has proven to be unsuccessful /
 difficult.
Strange - what version/distro of Linux are you using ?

As a test - can you replace in conf file ecasound to take input from a
file and see what delay between pressing play and hearing audio - that
will give you the LMS processing and network delay.  I think it should
be less that 1 sec.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2012-08-16 Thread bpa

properjob wrote: 
 Could be misleading - but FYI - on the Choose Streams screen on my
 Blackberry one has a choice of 48kbps WMA, 48kbps AAC, 56kbps AAC and
 128kbps AAC. All of them tune in...
 
 Edit:- same story on Tunein on the iPad - same choice of streams across
 BBC R1, R2 and 6 Music too.
 
 Note that there isn't a 128kbps WMA stream listed so Tunein on the LMS
 would appear to either be a maverick or as you say providing misleading
 info

I'm outside the UK so there may be a difference.  For a while the BBC
has two http/AAC streams formats 48k/44.1kHz and 56k/32kHz  each using a
different AAC profile. However a few weeks ago they stopped at the same
time as 320K AAC streams to non UK listeners.  Perhaps they are still
available to UK listeners.  There is also a Flash/AAC stream but can't
remember the bit rate.  

Can you determine are you playing the Flash or http AAC streams and does
it give you the sample rate (i.e. 44.1 or 32kHz) ?

It may not be worth spending more time on this as there is little you
can do about it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2012-08-16 Thread properjob

bpa wrote: 
 I'm outside the UK so there may be a difference.  For a while the BBC
 had two http/AAC streams formats 48k/44.1kHz and 56k/32kHz  each using a
 different AAC profile for non UK listeners.  The BBC have a 128k http
 AAC only for UK listeners (320K for R3).  However a few weeks ago they
 stopped at the same time as 128k/320K AAC streams to non UK listeners. 
 Perhaps they are still available to UK listeners.  There is also a
 Flash/AAC stream but can't remember the bit rate.  
 
 Can you determine are you playing the Flash or http AAC streams and does
 it give you the sample rate (i.e. 44.1 or 32kHz) ?
 
 It may not be worth spending more time on this as there is little you
 can do about it.

Agreed, re the time spent - I'm bothered about getting a decent sounding
stream (128kbps AAC is adequate) with livetext which is where I came
back onto this thread some posts ago - Tunein doesn't fulfil that
requirement anyway.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Spotify Premium Plugin (Beta)

2012-08-16 Thread abejan

dr sic wrote: 
 Hi, I already have a Duet and i just want to be sure before I buy a
 Touch that they will both work with Triodes plug-in and that it is
 possible to sync them perfectly playing Spotify, is that so?
 
 I could buy another Duet but the price is the same for a Touch here in
 Sweden and I would prefere the Touch.

Hi! I have duets, radios and a SB Touch, and they are working fine with
the Triode plugin. No issues on synchronization either, besides some
need to set delay correctly when syncing a cabled SB and one connected
via WIFI. But that issue is the same for all sources, ie streaming
radio, local music or Spotify.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC on ARM based NAS

2012-08-16 Thread bpa

stulluk wrote: 
 I am still thinking how to add my video decoder as an argument to -vo
 option in mplayer. For example, in kubuntu, there are many, xv, X11,
 directxetc.. But how about Arm-linux 
the vo selection will not be Arm Linux but the decoder built with the
library associated with your video hardware regardless of processor
architecture.  Look at the option -vo help and yiou see they are
related to the underlying video hardware (e.g. Targa, matrox) or API
(e.g. v4l2) and not the processor type.

Is it possible to avoid using internal software decoders of mplayer, just
let it passthrough the stream to a FILE or some device?
You could use -dumpstream and save stream into a file but then you need to
get a header on the file to play it.  Can you not get VLC to save the output
in a file.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: WaveInput for Linux

2012-08-16 Thread atca

bpa wrote: 
 My mistake, somehow I thought you were doing something different from
 stuart ( http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/762  )  but in fact it
 is very similar and Stuart does not seem to have the delay issue.  what
 is different in your setup compared to Stuart's ?
 
 
 
 Strange - what version/distro of Linux are you using ?
 
 As a test - can you replace in conf file ecasound to take input from a
 file and see what delay between pressing play and hearing audio - that
 will give you the LMS processing and network delay.  I think it should
 be less that 1 sec.

Ubuntu 10.04 kernel 2.6.32-41-generic, alsa loopback module seems to
have been remvoed from the kernel. I've tried to rebuild the kernel from
source and include it but I have all sorts of version issues with that.

wave file via ecasound  lame  squeezebox c. 2 second delay which is
fine.

shairport  Ubuntu server alsa  speaker is under a second delay.

Rather confusingly this points the finger to the pipe from shairport to
ecasound. Does the pipe actually physically write to the disk? the pipe
is positioned on a RAID5 I wonder if moving it to a ramdisk might help.

Stuart's on Gentoo I'm not that's about it, bar any hardware
differences.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] OSX Mountain Lion sleep issues

2012-08-16 Thread nonnoroger

jdwek wrote: 
 I posted elsewhere here that my upgrade to mountain lion now no longer
 allows continuous streaming.  I also suspected it was a sleep issue and
 it seems to be confirmed here.  I did not have any issues with Lion and
 I had no extraneous application running in the background.  Glad to see
 I am not alone here.

It is about time that this issue was solved by Logitech. Please vote for
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8141 as the third party
attempted fixes are now tenuous so say the least.

Many many thanks to those of you who have been working to put together a
workaround but I feel it needs to be sorted by Logitech.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: WaveInput for Linux

2012-08-16 Thread bpa

atca wrote: 
 Rather confusingly this points the finger to the pipe from shairport to
 ecasound. Does the pipe actually physically write to the disk? the pipe
 is positioned on a RAID5 I wonder if moving it to a ramdisk might help.
Doubt it. named pipe is usually 64k by default and so kept in memory or
paged out.

I suspect a deadlock/process blocking situation such as shairport can't
write as pipe is full up but ecasound won't read as ecasound output is
blocked.

However the above speculation, you need hard evidence. I'd first add in
debugging message on output activity to pipe timestamped with system
time in shairport and also enable ecasound debugging messages to see
what activitity is happening on input and output sides.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] MLB Audio

2012-08-16 Thread mpmartin

Are you getting all of the streams for MLB audio?  Myself and another
SiriusXM user are seeing strange results as noted on this thread over at
XMFan.com: 

http://www.xmfan.com/viewtopic.php?t=118859



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] OSX Mountain Lion sleep issues

2012-08-16 Thread jdwek

Voted for it!!

Really this is something  that Logitech should make a priority



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