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Sherman Wilcox sez: It is frustrating to be trying to select text and instead end up launching URLs or spuriously composing new messages etc. I second this. I have no problems and prefer it as is. URLs should be clickable. If a preference is created which defaults to clickable behavior, so be it, but every mail program I know of has clickable URL built in. Some even only require ONE click, and I definitely prefer the DOUBLE click of PowerMail over that. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
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on Fri, May 7, 2004 Wayne Brissette [EMAIL PROTECTED] may have said: that being adding an option to turn off double-clicking of URL's to launch them... this one is critical to me). I have to agree, this behaviour has always been a right pain in the ass. -ben What would you rather it do?? I want double-clicks to work like double-clicks work everywhere else; ie. select a word. This is how it mostly works in PM too ... but not on URL's ... and as it happens to work nearly all of the words I need to select are part of a URL ... leading to much frustration of spurious new messages, switching applications, launching applications, etc. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lane Roathe, President Ideas From the Deep mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ifd.com ___ Promoting the use of Turn Signals through Violent Video Games!
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On 05 5 2004 at 12:23 pm -0400, Wayne Brissette wrote: What would you rather it do?? I would rather have double-click select the word(s), just like in any other text, and have command-click launch the URL, just like we are used to in most other apps. It is frustrating to be trying to select text and instead end up launching URLs or spuriously composing new messages etc. -ben -- Ben Kennedy, chief magician zygoat creative technical services 613-228-3392 | 1-866-466-4628 http://www.zygoat.ca
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on Thu, May 6, 2004 ff-musikbüro may have said: There is almost no databas faster in searching than Filemaker. If you call Powermail fast, you should be more than happy with Filemaker. And do you have the right script? 4D and Valentina were both magnitudes of order faster (esp. Valentina!) in indexing and searching my DBs, but neither had a layout for an email DB or a script for importing. I am using another layout, that has all the information Powermail offers, too, and searching can be made very easy. If you like, I will send you my solution as attachement! Thanks for the offer (really is appreciated), but even if the new FM is now faster I am just not going to spend an extra $200 for searching. (neither my FM or 4D are OS X native and I don't run classic apps anymore). I do think it is very cool that PM'd developers went through the effort to make their product flexible enough that everyone can find their own method of searching and archive their DB. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lane Roathe, President Ideas From the Deep mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ifd.com ___ Promoting the use of Turn Signals through Violent Video Games!
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On Wed, May 05, 2004, the following words from ff-musikbüro [EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ... For me, it is so much better to export the files very early into a Filemaker Pro database. That keeps Powermail fast, and searching within Filemaker Pro is so much faster and efficent ... and you can answer mails from within Filemaker via Powermail. The script was discussed here some time ago, but whoever wants it, can get it from me! I use FileMaker Pro also for my email. I like it because I can customize my database to handle most of the things most email clients won't do, which is display messages AND lists with a font size that is comfortable for my eyes without scrunching the message Subject and From fields. With my vision, the squished black text on white background is very tiring when working with several such applications for hours at a time. That's one of the reasons AppleScript support in applications is very important to me - when I can't customize the appearance in one application, I like the option of scripting the data into a comfortable environment so I can lessen the migraines. But, I can understand that most people want their email application to conform to each individual's preferences for their money's worth. Unfortunately, that's not likely to ever happen, and not just with email. I am sure that most of us can find quirks in all software - even FileMaker Pro. But, FileMaker Pro is the most comfortable for me because I can customize it at will. One day, I can have a pale gray background with deep blue embellishments or a pastel pink background and maroon accented buttons the next week. For me, it's well worth the cost of keeping FileMaker Pro upgraded. Now I only wish I had a much bigger hard drive because there are so many fonts available but my hard drive has been compromised by my very large iTunes addiction. I know I'm probably one of the most pickiest users, though I really try to bite my tongue so I'm not blasting PowerMail's shortcomings all the time. I'm sure there are users who feel that PowerMail meets all their desires because it does have many features that are solid and appealing. But I don't expect the programmers to work around the clock to meet each wish. I know I certainly can't work day and night making modifications with FileMaker and I only have myself to satisfy, yet I continually want new features and improvements that I have to prioritize since I don't eat, sleep and drink FM Pro. Besides, I can still remember when there were very few email clients for the Mac. I think I used webmail, Netscape and Eudora with near loathing before using Emailer which I'd still use if not for the great disdain I felt about surrendering a large chunk of my RAM to run Classic. PowerMail never crashes and I don't think I've ever seen any kind of error message - it's solid enough that I can usually keep working through any irritation or imperfection. My last few pre- OS X months were very calm, but I remember the frustration of crashes and error messages enough that show-stopping bugginess is far more heinous than the lack of a feature or two - especially as there is grass to nibble on all sides should I choose to scale the fence for other email pastures that are just as likely to have a few patches of unpalatable weeds, crabgrass and vermin. Oh. One thing I really and truly appreciate about PowerMail is that it is wickedly fast. I'm sure there is a pitchfork-wielding demon harnessing all my spam and converting it to the pure energy that makes PowerMail live up to its name. It may be evil of me to appreciate that speed, but after I've burned through a ton of unread messages; it's all good. -- The music of an unhappy people, of the children of disappointment; they tell of death and suffering and unvoiced longing toward a truer world, of misty wanderings and hidden ways. - W.E.B. (William Edward Burghardt) Du Bois (1868-1963), U.S. civil rights leader, author. The Souls of Black Folk, ch. 14 (1903). * 867 PowerBook G4 * OS X 10.2.8 * 768 MB Ram * * Addictions: iTunes 4 * WarCraft * The Sims * FileMaker Pro
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Ben Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05 May 2004 stated: On 05 5 2004 at 10:10 am -0400, Lane Roathe wrote: that being adding an option to turn off double-clicking of URL's to launch them... this one is critical to me). I have to agree, this behaviour has always been a right pain in the ass. -ben What would you rather it do?? Wayne -- The shining spark of truth cometh forth only after the clash of differing opinions. - Abdul-Baha Live DAT Music Page: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/ Wayne's Music Calendar: http://ical.mac.com/wayneb/Music PowerMail AppleScript Archives: http://homepage.mac.com/wayneb/powermail.html Music Currently playing: Andy Leftwich Shark Tooth : Ride
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on Wed, May 5, 2004 ff-musikbüro may have said: For me, it is so much better to export the files very early into a Filemaker Pro database. That keeps Powermail fast, and searching within Filemaker Pro is so much faster and efficent ... and you can answer mails from within Filemaker via Powermail. The script was discussed here some time ago, but whoever wants it, can get it from me! I have used the script in the past, but it didn't work for me; I had to purchase extra (very expensive) software, I had to have multiple applications/files open, I had to perform searches in two applications, I had to regularly move files over and this caused many headaches as my PM folder structure evolved. Plus, with the it's search engine, I actually found PM to be faster in searching the DB than FM. And, of course, this in no way addresses seeing the information (ie, from/to column); the FM ui was much (much) worse than PM's and was much harder to use and find information within (for me; other's may like FM's interface better or be willing to modify the FM ui to their liking). For me, I really like having one app that has ALL my email in it, has a powerful and fast search, and a great UI. I'm just pushing to get a 95% perfect app to be 100% perfect :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lane Roathe, President Ideas From the Deep mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ifd.com ___ Life is cheap, but the accessories will break you.
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I asked the PowerMail devs in January 2000 if this Eudora feature might make its way into Powermail... obviously it didn't. Since I organize my mails into client or project folders, and thus have all incoming and outgoing mails relevant to them in one folder, this feature would make a big difference to me. Showing both the to and from colums is not really an option. In a folder with, say, 500 received and 500 sent mails, having both columns visible will mean that I'll see my own name (which by now I know quite well enough, thank you) not 500 (superflous) times, but 1000. PowerMail is visually much more cluttered anyway, compared to Apple's beautiful Mail.app, so I don't need *even more* distraction. The automatic saving of attachments to files on disk (instead of bloating the database), and the ability to automatically display html mails as text, are two nice and very welcome features, though. -- phil braun made on a Mac On 3 May, 2004, Lane Roathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, May 3, 2004 Phil Braun [EMAIL PROTECTED] may have said: Sorry if this has been asked before: is it somehow possible to have PowerMail display a combined from:/to: header listing in the mail list view, like in Eudora, where the to: name is written in italics? I find this one of the most useful features in an E-Mail program... am I really the only one? 1. PowerMail has the wonderful ability to file outgoing messages, but the REALLY annoying problem of having to have both from/to columns if you want to know the correct information. See Claris eMailer or v1.5.1 of MailSmith for correct implementation (which is a smart from column, which shows to instead of from if mail is from myself. That you sent the email is shown in the status column (with a reply arrow or stamp icon), so it makes much more sense to show who you sent the email to.
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[Sherman Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 4.5.2004 um 0:03 Uhr:] In those folders that I store both incoming and outgoing messages, I usually display the From column. This lets me easily see if it's an incoming or outgoing message (although I also use the icons in the far left column). I don't have any folders that display BOTH the To and From columns. I use the same setting (but I don't need spam rating anywhere). In my theme folders for example I don't see to whom I sent a mail because there are also incoming mails and I chose to see from which person they came. Using To additionally I don't have the space (and it is not very satisfactory because then I would have a field with unnecessary infos with *every* message). I chose to see status online status subject from sent attachment account label -- http://www.subhash.at
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computer said: I know that but that needs much more space and I would have to scroll to see all the data I need to see. Also it is no use to see that I have sent a mail (I know that, I only want to see to whom) and that I received a mail (I only want to see from whom, the account I can see anyway). I still don't see why it won't work. My In Tray doesn't display the To column (because, as you say, I know that it came to me), only the From column. My folders that save sent messages include the To column and not the From. In those folders that I store both incoming and outgoing messages, I usually display the From column. This lets me easily see if it's an incoming or outgoing message (although I also use the icons in the far left column). I don't have any folders that display BOTH the To and From columns. I'm on a PowerBook, so not a huge amount of screen real estate, and this works for me. Whichever folder is open, I can see the info I need, whether that is the To or From, account, spam rating (once a message gets past my In Tray by means of filters, I don't display the spam rating, so this means I only display the Spam Rating column in the In Tray, the Recent Mail browser, and the Spam folder), etc. -- Sherman
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[Barbara Needham [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 3.5.2004 um 17:00 Uhr:] You can of course make a from column and a to column at the present time; and that can be set for each folder under view options. I know that but that needs much more space and I would have to scroll to see all the data I need to see. Also it is no use to see that I have sent a mail (I know that, I only want to see to whom) and that I received a mail (I only want to see from whom, the account I can see anyway). -- http://www.subhash.at
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computer artwork by subhash on 5/3/04 said [Lane Roathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 3.5.2004 um 13:20 Uhr:] which is a smart from column, which shows to instead of from if mail is from myself. That you sent the email is shown in the status column (with a reply arrow or stamp icon), so it makes much more sense to show who you sent the email to. That would be very nice. You can of course make a from column and a to column at the present time; and that can be set for each folder under view options. -- Barbara Needham
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on Mon, May 3, 2004 Phil Braun [EMAIL PROTECTED] may have said: Sorry if this has been asked before: is it somehow possible to have PowerMail display a combined from:/to: header listing in the mail list view, like in Eudora, where the to: name is written in italics? I find this one of the most useful features in an E-Mail program... am I really the only one? I have been requesting this feature for a long time now (item #1 below), although your added idea of italics on To: listings is a good one :) There is no need to tell me that I sent an email, I already know I sent it! What I really need to know is _WHO_ I sent it to. Anyway, here is my Wish List ... no idea on the 5.0 beta, email has become too important to my business to rely on beta software just yet (although I think I may need to try the next beta to be sure it handles large DB's (over 1Gig). Heh, I remember complaining when Claris Emailer started chugging after my DB got over 25MB ;) MOST IMPORTANT: 0. Double-Click is supposed to select words, and does...unless PM think's it is a URL when it changes behavior and launches the URL. Now, I realize that this is a good feature to some people, and that's great. Still, for those of us that do lots of copying this is quite annoying and a real time waster...so, please add an option in the preferences to turn this off. (When off, the standard Cmd-Click should still work!) I have to select email addresses and other parts of URL's from emails dozens of times per day, and this is the #1 time waster for me; both in terms of having to very carefully select text and in accidently causing a double-click and having to deal with a new message or web browser or ftp app launch or what-not. 1. PowerMail has the wonderful ability to file outgoing messages, but the REALLY annoying problem of having to have both from/to columns if you want to know the correct information. See Claris eMailer or v1.5.1 of MailSmith for correct implementation (which is a smart from column, which shows to instead of from if mail is from myself. That you sent the email is shown in the status column (with a reply arrow or stamp icon), so it makes much more sense to show who you sent the email to. 2. Why can I change the account used to send an already sent email, but I can't file it to a different folder? This makes no sense; you shouldn't be able to change which account sent an email but you should be able to move it to another folder. (yea, you can close the window, select the containing folder, find the email, and then move it .. but the UI is not correct as is, since you should not be able to change which account sent an mail) 3. Pressing Option when PM is in the background uses lots of cycles as PM draws and then corrects the buttons to trash icons. PM should ignore ALL keypresses when it's not the foreground application. 4. Select 400 or so emails. Click on redirect (or forward) toolbar icon. Instead of a window asking me who I want to redirect/forward all these emails to PM opens up every single one. It's very rare that one would open multiple messages for redirect or forward and then want to address them to different people; in this case it's 90% likely that the user wants to redirect or forward those messages to the same individual(s). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lane Roathe, President Ideas From the Deep mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ifd.com ___ If progress means moving forward, what does congress mean?
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Sorry if this has been asked before: is it somehow possible to have PowerMail display a combined from:/to: header listing in the mail list view, like in Eudora, where the to: name is written in italics? I find this one of the most useful features in an E-Mail program... am I really the only one? -- Phil Braun
