RE: Determining the type of active index

[Dave Crozier]

Ted,
I agree but my point was that however you generate the index it is always
going to physically be a fixed length string packed/encrypted or otherwise.
The fact that it is a particular data type is irrelevant as the "mapping" in
VFP is always down to a fixed length character based field (however that is
formatted) unless we get onto variable length keys of course but that is
another discussion on a range of other products!

Dave Crozier

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Subject: Re: Determining the type of active index

On 1/17/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> However, always remember though that there is no such thing as a "Numeric"
> index as all the data you index on is converted to a character expression
> before it is indexed. Hence you can seek on a character key even though
you
> created the index as a "numerical index"
>

I know that was true back in the FoxBase days, but aren't integer
indexes smaller than other types because they are packing integers
rather than converting them to strings?

-- 
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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Dave Crozier]

Hal wrote:

"...A thorough understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some math,
regression, ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify someone to be a computer
professional"

TOTALLY WRONG Hal I'm afraid. The thing that qualifies someone to be a
computer professional in its true sense (where software is concerned anyhow)
is the ability to write GOOD software, and the definition of good will
change depending upon the environment you are working in. Good in an
emergency situation is a fix that works and gets the system live again
however it is done. Good in a production environment means reliable and
stable. Good in a performance dictated situation means fast and reliable.  

It's just like driving. All drivers make mistakes, the difference between a
good driver and a bad driver is that the good driver will always know
whenever he/she has made a mistake and the majority of outsiders/onlookers
will never ever notice the mistake. The bad driver is just a danger to
others because he doesn't understand the ramification(s) of making a mistake
- or even worse, what a "mistake" constitutes.

Remember you don’t have to be able to read music to be a great musician.
I'll take natural talent as opposed to paper qualifications any day of the
week. Try and teach dancing to someone who has no sense of rhythm and you'll
see exactly what I mean.

Having all the paper qualifications only gives you a head start in the
"ability to understand basic methodology" but there is absolutely NO
substitute for experience and natural ability in this business.

Dave Crozier

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=> And the second problem is that all of the folks in the biz 
=> would want to be grandfathered in. Who in their right mind 
=> would submit to having to gain credentials (that they may or 
=> may not be qualified to earn) to do what they've been doing 
=> for the last 10 or 20 years?
=> 
=> So, just like the answer about how God created the world in 
=> 6 days 
=> He didn't have to worry about the installed base.
=> 
=> Whil
=> 

During those 6 days, G-d did not create the AMA, ABA, AIA, AICPA, or any
other professional group except perhaps for clergy.

The "installed base" existed for all of these professions and it is now all
a matter of history.  Some practioners fared better than others but on the
whole society gained.  BTW, you do not need a degree in architecture to be
an architect, or a law degree to be an attorney (I am not sure about
medicine and accounting).  You can become a licensed professional through
well-documented experience.  Of course you still need to take and pass the
state licensing exam.  And I dare say that if a similarly-structured
arrangement existed for people like us, a good number would pass the exam
and gain "grandfather" status, others would fail, and still others would
walk away or do nothing because the effective date for all of the lead-ins
to congeal would probably be 6 to 10 years off. 

What is needed to achieve widespread licensing is a catalyst such as a
massive lapse of public safety or security that could be laid at the feet of
the profession as it exists today.

There are no questions of impartiality or any nonsense like that.  Those
arguments are specious.  All professions have competing suppliers who will
do almost anything to get and keep business ... ruthlessly and illegally
too!  But the basics of these professions: the chemistry of life, anatomy,
legal precedent, torts, etc. are independent of commercialism.  Intel and
AMD may be making a lot of bits, but they did not invent them.  A thorough
understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some math, regression,
ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify someone to be a computer professional.

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 2:46 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:

Hi Michael!

As you know I am getting up in years. I have had the experience of businesses 
and people doing right by me for a while and then slipping me the pickle once 
they had my trust. The last twenty years, I haven't trusted anyone.

> I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think
> the time when customers used to stick with one
> business because the service was that good, is long
> gone.
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[OT] Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics

[Michael Madigan]

The liberals just love freedom of speech

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=32abc0b0-802a-23ad-440a-88824bb8e528

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Re: Index on collector tag collector unique

[Michael Madigan]

Yep, you're right, I should have a collector database.
 This was a band-aid added quick and dirty.  Turned
out to be too dirty.



--- Eugene Vital <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > OK, so I have a client database and on that
> database I
> > have a collector ID.  I have a tag in the compound
> > index that is created by 
> >
> > "index on collector tag collector unique".  
> >
> > This gives me a list of unique collectors using
> the
> > system, each one assigned to one or more clients.
> >
> > I have a collector 5.  If I happen to delete the
> > record which is in the unique index, there no
> longer
> > are any more '5's in the index.  Shouldn't it add
> > another record with a collector='5' to that index?
> >
> > Am I understanding the way unique works?
> >   
> Yes but I would follow some of the other posts here
> and use candidate
> instead.
> 
> This does make me ask the question. Wouldn't you be
> better off having
> the collectors in their own parent table and just
> relate them into
> the customer table?
> 
> then you could just use a query.
> 
> 
> select distinct customer.coll_id,
> collector.coll_name ;
>from customer ;
>left outer join collector on customer.coll_id ==
> collector.col_id ;
>where customer.coll_id >0
> 
> you could also easily get a count for each collector
> too
> 
> select distinct customer.coll_id,
> collector.coll_name, count(*) as
> coll_count ;
>from customer ;
>left outer join collector on customer.coll_id ==
> collector.col_id ;
>where customer.coll_id >0
> 
> 
> Of course normal indexing rules would apply to
> optimize the query...
> 
> just a thought
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Michael Madigan]

What language is this? LOL
> 
> Who did you get any?   ;->



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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Stephen the Cook]

Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> Everyplace I've worked, the money went to the clueless. LOL

Who did you get any?   ;->
 
> I've always said that if I had employees that I would pay them based
> on a fixed percentage of what they generated in business.  If I bill
> you at $100.00/hr, I pay you $50.00 / hr.  However, I've seen that
> the most successful companies are the ones that treat their employees
> like crap.

The most successful ones don't do that.  Granted there are a few butt heads
along the way but overall the quality of company isn't enhanced with
mistreatment of it's employees.


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DBA / .Net Developer

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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Stephen the Cook]

Pete Theisen <> wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 12:03 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
>> However, I've seen that the most
>> successful companies are the ones that treat their employees like
>> crap.
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> What? THAT good?
> 
> I think it used to be that companies made their money off of
> customers. Now they clearly make their money off their employees. 

Must be a Florida thing.  



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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Stephen the Cook]

Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
> 
>> The saddest thing is "computer professionals" will still continue to
>> use and promote MS. I'll bet this will have little impact on most of
>> the MS-heads out there.
> 
>   Imagine if there were the equivalent to the Hippocratic Oath for
> computer professionals. Or imagine the converse: that doctors made
> their recommendations not on the best interests of the patient, but
> on what would generate the most revenue for the doctor himself; that
> they acted like "medical whores" in the way of our illustrious "data
> whores". 

They already do.  Go into a hospital and you can find 15 different
professionals that will stop by daily and get into the billing cycle.  At
least that is what we experienced with my mom's surgery and 3 weeks in the
hospital.   

>   The attitude of most computer "professionals" is more akin to that
> of lawyers: milk the client for whatever you can simply because you
> can.  

I don't go for milking the client.  I strive to make the next software that
will rock for a while.  Something that will give my client bragging rights
for his golf group.  


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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

[Stephen the Cook]

Charlie Coleman <> wrote:
> At 06:12 AM 1/10/2007 -0600, Stephen the Cook wrote:
> ...
> 
>>> 
>>> what the  on earth is desktop software development?
>> 
>> Software that is designed to run on the local pc.  WinForm vs Web in
>> .net speak.
> 
> ...
> 
> Or "smart" vs. "dumb" for in PHB-speak.
> 
> ;-)

Probably more of portal vs. non shareable content.  

I see lots more of a push for the portal content for lots of people to work
with excel sheets that they have been doing for a long time.  At least that
is what I am seeing at my new day contract at least.


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Re: Determining the type of active index

[Eugene Vital]

Ted Roche wrote:
> On 1/17/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> However, always remember though that there is no such thing as a "Numeric"
>> index as all the data you index on is converted to a character expression
>> before it is indexed. Hence you can seek on a character key even though you
>> created the index as a "numerical index"
>>
>> 
>
> I know that was true back in the FoxBase days, but aren't integer
> indexes smaller than other types because they are packing integers
> rather than converting them to strings?
>
>   
Yes, each integer field is only 4 bytes.

*Visual FoxPro Field Types*
Field type  Description SizeRange

Character (Binary) 



Any *Character* data that you do not want translated across code pages

For example, user passwords stored in a table and used in different
countries or regions.



1 byte per character to 254



Any characters

Double 



A double-precision floating-point number

For example, scientific data requiring a high degree of precision.



8 bytes



+/-4.94065645841247E-324 to +/-8.9884656743115E307

Float 



Same as *Numeric*



8 bytes in memory; 1 to 20 bytes in table



- .99E+19 to .99E+20

General 



Reference to an OLE object

For example, a Microsoft Excel worksheet.



4 bytes in table



Limited by available memory.

Integer 



*Numeric* value with no decimals

For example, a line number in an order.



4 bytes



-2147483647 to 2147483647

Integer (Autoinc) 



Same as *Integer* but also an automatically incrementing value. Read-only.



4 bytes



Value controlled by autoincrement Next and Step values.

Memo 



Alphanumeric text of indeterminate length or reference to a block of data

For example, notes about a phone call in a phone log.



4 bytes in table



Limited by available memory.

Memo (Binary) 



Same as *Memo* except that memo field data does not change across code pages

For example, a login script used in different countries or regions.



4 bytes in table



Limited by available memory.

Varchar 



Alphanumeric text.

*Varchar* is similar to *Character* except values in *Varchar* fields do
not include padding with additional spaces. The length of the contained
value is stored internally.



1 byte per character up





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Re: Index on collector tag collector unique

[Eugene Vital]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> OK, so I have a client database and on that database I
> have a collector ID.  I have a tag in the compound
> index that is created by 
>
> "index on collector tag collector unique".  
>
> This gives me a list of unique collectors using the
> system, each one assigned to one or more clients.
>
> I have a collector 5.  If I happen to delete the
> record which is in the unique index, there no longer
> are any more '5's in the index.  Shouldn't it add
> another record with a collector='5' to that index?
>
> Am I understanding the way unique works?
>   
Yes but I would follow some of the other posts here and use candidate
instead.

This does make me ask the question. Wouldn't you be better off having
the collectors in their own parent table and just relate them into
the customer table?

then you could just use a query.


select distinct customer.coll_id, collector.coll_name ;
   from customer ;
   left outer join collector on customer.coll_id == collector.col_id ;
   where customer.coll_id >0

you could also easily get a count for each collector too

select distinct customer.coll_id, collector.coll_name, count(*) as
coll_count ;
   from customer ;
   left outer join collector on customer.coll_id == collector.col_id ;
   where customer.coll_id >0


Of course normal indexing rules would apply to optimize the query...

just a thought



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Re: Easy way to count total lines of code in complete project?

[Ted Roche]

On 1/17/07, Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very cool.
>

Well, thank you.

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RE: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Hal Kaplan]

=> 
=> On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:
=> 
=> > OK Ed.  A couple of posts back you wrote "IONAL."  I thought that 
=> > meant "I am not a lawyer."  I guess I was wrong about that 
=> particular 
=> > meaning and that it was not an acronym after all.
=> 
=>  Oh. Cute.
=> 
=>  No, IANAL does indeed mean that "I am not a lawyer". It 
=> does not mean that my brain is incapable of retaining legal 
=> information given to me by a lawyer so that I can conduct my 
=> business well.
=> 
=>  Anyone who sells their creative work, such as software 
=> writing, for a living and who hasn't invested a few hundred 
=> bucks to sit down with a knowledgeable copyright attorney is 
=> being penny-wise and pound- foolish. I did that early in my 
=> career, and have met with that lawyer on a couple of 
=> occasions since. I write 'IANAL' so that others out there 
=> also get good legal advice, instead of taking my 
=> regurgitated words as anything other than an informed 
=> person's understanding.
=> 
=>  It is wrong to assert that only lawyers can speak 
=> intelligently about legal matters. IANAMD, but I'll bet you 
=> that I can talk a whole lot more intelligently about the 
=> diagnostic differentials for achalasia than many 
=> gastroenterologists. That's not to say that I know 
=> everything about gastroenterology; only that which I've 
=> experienced first-hand. And I first-hand went through 4 
=> different gastros before I found one who could recognize the 
=> condition and treat it accordingly. In the process I learned 
=> an awful lot about that particular disease, and feel 
=> comfortable in my grasp of this particular condition.

Ed, sorry to say that you had that coming to you.  You set yourself up so 
perfectly and I simply could not let it pass without comment. 

I don't believe that I ever questioned your intelligence or knowledge of any 
topic, Ed.  And I never said that only lawyers can speak intelligently about 
legal matters.  I am totally at a loss to explain why you are bringing up those 
points.

You certainly did the right thing by consulting an attorney regarding your 
retention of your intellectual property rights.  And I know you learned a lot 
from seeing all those doctors about your GI problem(s).  I too have had my 
share of intense collaboration with legal and medical professionals regarding 
personal matters.  I've been clinically dead three times.  I've had part of my 
heart replaced, total kidney failure, and watched my first wife spend almost 
five years deteriorating, one bodily function at a time, from infiltrating 
ductile carcinoma that metastasized to 75% of her body.  Oh yeah, and it took 
17 doctors over the course of 12 years to discover that I suffer from lactose 
intolerance.

And you know what?  I don't know squat about medicine or the law or anything 
compared to the people that I've dealt with.  And with all due respect (and I 
do respect you, Ed), I contend that unless you go to med school, intern, 
specialize, and play g-d with your patients lives, neither do you.  Of course 
we both know more than most people would like to know but that doesn't make us 
qualified for anything except being two old farts shooting the breeze here. 
(Well one old fart, anyway.)

I wanted to be a lawyer (after I wanted to be an M.D. and after I got about 95% 
of my M.Arch).  I wanted to help people and vanquish the s.o.bs. and make money 
and do all those wonderful idealistic things that a teenager might dream of (oh 
yeah, I graduated from high school 10 days after my 16th birthday).  Then I 
looked at an LSAT prep book.  The first question described a situation that 
involved general legal and ethical questions of a benign nature but with 
clearly two points of view inherent in the facts.  The assignment was to choose 
a side and write an essay supporting your position.  Great!  I can do that.  
Next question:  same facts as the first question.  Write an essay opposing your 
first essay; take the other side.  Oh, and then throw away your answer to the 
first question.

My point here is that attorneys are trained to be ADVOCATES, not judges.  They 
are paid to use their legal and mental wiles and wits to ensure that the client 
is victorious, and if that cannot be, then to mitigate, by any way possible, 
the loss the client might suffer.  So when you see an attorney writing some 
kind of non-trial paper on a topic, it is meaningless with regard to how that 
attorney may plead a case or how a JUDGE or JURY might decide an issue.

As a matter of fact, most attorneys have difficulties with persuasive arguing 
and that is why the American system of jurisprudence, for the most part, has 
deteriorated to a battle of following or not following rules of practice.  
Sadly, many other endeavors have achieved the same level of intellectual 
morbidity in this country.

You wanna keep talking about the law, go ahead.  I've said all I can on this 
issue and time will tell ... ma

Re: Determining the type of active index

[Malcolm Greene]

Ted,

> I know that was true back in the FoxBase days, but aren't integer indexes 
> smaller than other types because they are packing integers rather than 
> converting them to strings?

There's also the new(?) binary indexes in VFP 9 that are even
smaller/faster in some scenarios. 

Malcolm


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Re: Easy way to count total lines of code in complete project?

[Chet Gardiner]

Very cool.


Ted Roche wrote:

>On 1/16/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Is there an easy way to determine the total number of lines of code in
>>an app/project?
>>
>>
>>
>
>http://www.tedroche.com/Present/2000/ProjScan.zip
>
>Pretty self-documenting, the associated paper can be found at:
>
>http://www.tedroche.com/Present/2000/E-MAINTDoc.htm
>
>  
>


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Re: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Chet Gardiner]

Gee, I hope everything came out all right in the end.




(Bad Chet)...  :-)



Ed Leafe wrote:

>On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>OK Ed.  A couple of posts back you wrote "IONAL."  I thought that  
>>meant "I am not a lawyer."  I guess I was wrong about that  
>>particular meaning and that it was not an acronym after all.
>>
>>
>
>   Oh. Cute.
>
>   No, IANAL does indeed mean that "I am not a lawyer". It does not  
>mean that my brain is incapable of retaining legal information given  
>to me by a lawyer so that I can conduct my business well.
>
>   Anyone who sells their creative work, such as software writing, for  
>a living and who hasn't invested a few hundred bucks to sit down with  
>a knowledgeable copyright attorney is being penny-wise and pound- 
>foolish. I did that early in my career, and have met with that lawyer  
>on a couple of occasions since. I write 'IANAL' so that others out  
>there also get good legal advice, instead of taking my regurgitated  
>words as anything other than an informed person's understanding.
>
>   It is wrong to assert that only lawyers can speak intelligently  
>about legal matters. IANAMD, but I'll bet you that I can talk a whole  
>lot more intelligently about the diagnostic differentials for  
>achalasia than many gastroenterologists. That's not to say that I  
>know everything about gastroenterology; only that which I've  
>experienced first-hand. And I first-hand went through 4 different  
>gastros before I found one who could recognize the condition and  
>treat it accordingly. In the process I learned an awful lot about  
>that particular disease, and feel comfortable in my grasp of this  
>particular condition.
>
>
>-- Ed Leafe
>-- http://leafe.com
>-- http://dabodev.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: Determining the type of active index

[Ted Roche]

On 1/17/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> However, always remember though that there is no such thing as a "Numeric"
> index as all the data you index on is converted to a character expression
> before it is indexed. Hence you can seek on a character key even though you
> created the index as a "numerical index"
>

I know that was true back in the FoxBase days, but aren't integer
indexes smaller than other types because they are packing integers
rather than converting them to strings?

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Re: select from table

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Sytze de Boer wrote:
> Hi folk
> I have a table where amongst other fields, I have empcode C(10), gross
> N(10,2), cycle N(5)
> empcode is the employee code, gross is total pay, cycle is the pay number
> 
> I want to:
> select empcode, sum(gross) from mytable order by empcode group by
> empcode into table newtable
> BUT I ONLY WANT THE LAST 52 CYCLES (Some may have 300 cycles)
> Some may only have (say) 30 cycles
> 
> Is this feasible ?
> 

if you want the cycles with the biggest 52 numbers :

select empcode ;
into cursor newtable ;
from mytable my ;
where my.cycle in (SELECT TOP 52 aux.cycle ;
from mytable as aux ;
order by cycle desc) ;
order by empcode ;
group by empcode

If you want the last 52 cycles (sequentially last) :

select empcode ;
into cursor newtable ;
from mytable my ;
where my.cycle in (SELECT x.cycle ;
FROM (SELECT TOP 52 aux.cycle, RECNO();
from mytable as aux ;
order by 2 desc) as x) ;
order by empcode ;
group by empcode

> Regards
> Sytze
> 
> 
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Re: Easy way to count total lines of code in complete project?

[Ted Roche]

On 1/16/07, MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there an easy way to determine the total number of lines of code in
> an app/project?
>

http://www.tedroche.com/Present/2000/ProjScan.zip

Pretty self-documenting, the associated paper can be found at:

http://www.tedroche.com/Present/2000/E-MAINTDoc.htm

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Re: [OT] Justice = The Midas Rule (was Re: [NF] Invalid Terms)

[Helio W.]

"putting everyone and everything down"

The mark of a loser.

On 1/17/07, Hal Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Don't be a sore loser and a whiner, Mike ... work to make the system
> better instead of putting everyone and everything down.  You will have a lot
> more credibility.


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Re: [OT] Justice = The Midas Rule (was Re: [NF] Invalid Terms)

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Hal Kaplan wrote:
> => 
> => Take a look at  OJ Simpson and Robert Blake.  Both guilty as 
> => sin with good lawyers.  Phil Spector looks like he'll get 
> => off with murder too.  I wonder if you can convict a 
> => celebrity anymore.
> => 
> 
> Lil Kim (spelling?) served her year-and-a-day in jail on a perjury conviction 
> (felony) and is no longer a citizen of the United States of America.
> 
> Robert Stroud saved hundreds of injured and sick birds but he never got a 
> pardon.
> 
> 
> Don't blame the system just because the results don't live up to your 
> expectations.
> 
> It would really be nice if 1+1=3 or even 4 or a gazillion, but it is not 
> going to happen in our system of mathematics.
> 
> For every OJ or Blake or Specter, there is an Ethel & Julius Rosenberg.
> 
> Don't be a sore loser and a whiner, Mike ... work to make the system better 
> instead of putting everyone and everything down.  You will have a lot more 
> credibility.
>

Old Krong Fu Tse's saying "The good system with the bad person works
badly, the bad system with the good person works correctly".


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Re: FoxPro on Vista

[Malcolm Greene]

Hi Michael,

> What does Craig's tool offer that I can't achieve with the simple encrypt 
> utility in cipher50.fll?

Cipher50 is simple encryption that's easy to break.

Craig's encryption FLL supports major industry encryption standards
(AES, Blowfish, RC4) in stream and block formats with support for
various levels of encryption (128 bit +). There are easy to use
functions for encrypting/decrypting strings and files.

Craig has also included support for generating hashes (SHA, MD5, and
RIPE formats). 

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Re: FoxPro on Vista

[MB Software Solutions]

Malcolm Greene wrote:
> Allen,
>
>   
>> I use the windows cryptology service and the crypt class.
>> 
>
> The crypt class is very brittle and tempermental. I can't think of any
> scenario where I would use this class.
>
>   
>> Currently I use Microsoft enhanced cryptographic provider v1.0. Anyone know 
>> what to use in Vista?
>> 
>
> Check out Craig's free encryption fll on his www.sweetpotatosoftware.com
> blog.
>
> Simple, fast, powerful. Totally standalone. Works in any version of
> Windows that VFP runs.
>
> Highly recommended!
>   

I'll ask it again...never got an answer from Craig on a direct email to 
him, nor did I get a valid response here (only a  reply):  what's 
wrong with using the cipher50.fll ?  What does Craig's tool offer that I 
can't achieve with the simple encrypt utility in cipher50.fll ?

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RE: Index on collector tag collector unique

[Rick Schummer]

It is a type of index for VFP data, which enforces uniqueness and does not 
accept nulls (just like a
primary key, but you can only have one primary key per table). Check out the 
topic "Visual FoxPro
Index Types" in the VFP Help file. It clearly explains all the different index 
types (including a
tip on how to avoid using UNIQUE indexes). 


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-Original Message-
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Madigan
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 04:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Index on collector tag collector unique

Thanks.  What do you mean by "candidate"?





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RE: FoxPro on Vista

[Malcolm Greene]

Allen,

> I use the windows cryptology service and the crypt class.

The crypt class is very brittle and tempermental. I can't think of any
scenario where I would use this class.

> Currently I use Microsoft enhanced cryptographic provider v1.0. Anyone know 
> what to use in Vista?

Check out Craig's free encryption fll on his www.sweetpotatosoftware.com
blog.

Simple, fast, powerful. Totally standalone. Works in any version of
Windows that VFP runs.

Highly recommended!

Malcolm


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Re: [NF] Windows Media Player 10 -- hog?

[Charles Hart Enzer, M.D.]

You might want to try:

 Nokia_3660_Multimediaplayer_en

Download choices:

 http://tinyurl.com/2c4qqa

At 11:51 AM 1/17/2007, you wrote:
>WMP 10 seems to be much more of a resource hog than the previous
>versions.  I've used Yahoo Music Jukebox and am thinking about just
>using it instead of WMP 10.  What do the rest of you folks use (that
>isn't a hog like WMP 10 seems to be)?


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Re: [OT] Virgin birth again.....

[Helio W.]

Perhaps the birth of a female chimpanzee prophet?

On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <
> http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/17/pregnant.chimp.ap/index.html
> >
> or
> 
>
> A female chimpanzee at a sanctuary has given birth, despite the fact that
> the facility's entire male chimp population has had vasectomies.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> OK Ed.  A couple of posts back you wrote "IONAL."  I thought that  
> meant "I am not a lawyer."  I guess I was wrong about that  
> particular meaning and that it was not an acronym after all.

Oh. Cute.

No, IANAL does indeed mean that "I am not a lawyer". It does not  
mean that my brain is incapable of retaining legal information given  
to me by a lawyer so that I can conduct my business well.

Anyone who sells their creative work, such as software writing, for  
a living and who hasn't invested a few hundred bucks to sit down with  
a knowledgeable copyright attorney is being penny-wise and pound- 
foolish. I did that early in my career, and have met with that lawyer  
on a couple of occasions since. I write 'IANAL' so that others out  
there also get good legal advice, instead of taking my regurgitated  
words as anything other than an informed person's understanding.

It is wrong to assert that only lawyers can speak intelligently  
about legal matters. IANAMD, but I'll bet you that I can talk a whole  
lot more intelligently about the diagnostic differentials for  
achalasia than many gastroenterologists. That's not to say that I  
know everything about gastroenterology; only that which I've  
experienced first-hand. And I first-hand went through 4 different  
gastros before I found one who could recognize the condition and  
treat it accordingly. In the process I learned an awful lot about  
that particular disease, and feel comfortable in my grasp of this  
particular condition.


-- Ed Leafe
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Re: Most popular Foxpro framework

[Ted Roche]

On 1/10/07, Man-wai CHANG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is there a chart for that?
>

No, but Budweiser is the most popular beer. Why would popularity matter?

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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Ted Roche]

On 1/17/07, Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The only way that that would work is if the testing/certification
> body was impartial. Try to find one of those these days.
>

How about A+ or LPI or ICCP? There are a lot of attempts.I believe one
will eventually succeed. Then there'll be a period of competing
standards and eventually a part will emerge. Computing as a profession
is a lot younger than engineering or medicine. It will take time.

ACM and IEEE have been working on this, too.

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RE: [NF] 51 holes to plug? Is that all

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I've spent 20 years thinking about why building huge skyscrapers works and
building software doesn’t..

Too many short cuts in software.

1st BIG mistake... Most developers don't even understand their business's
process from beginning to end and by that I mean from ordering the raw goods
to placing the finished product in inventory and from receiving the order to
shiping, testing, and installation of the finished product..

2nd BIG mistake...Not involving the business stakeholders in the design
(yep, I know they don't want to be involved). If a company has 10 depts
including IT that process the product and order, then the manager of that
dept, NOT a subordinate, needs to understand specifically what their dept is
doing and they need to bring that knowledge to the design table with the
other depts and IT. 


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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Not until software is built like a building..
> Blue prints for every item 
>   

Well, then agile development goes out the window then, doesn't it?  It'd
have to be the traditional waterfall approach if that's the way to do it.

--
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Re: [OT] Virgin birth again.....

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> A female chimpanzee at a sanctuary has given birth, despite the  
> fact that
> the facility's entire male chimp population has had vasectomies.

Must have been a chimp angel that did it!

Of course, a female child, as in this case, is entirely possible  
without angelic intervention. Males, of course, are not.

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Re: [NF] 51 holes to plug? Is that all

[MB Software Solutions]

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Not until software is built like a building..
> Blue prints for every item 
>   

Well, then agile development goes out the window then, doesn't it?  It'd 
have to be the traditional waterfall approach if that's the way to do it.

-- 
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RE: [NF] 51 holes to plug? Is that all

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Not until software is built like a building..
Blue prints for every item 


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And you thought it was a rag on M$ now didn't you ;->



Oracle has released its first critical patch update for 2007, with fixes for
a total of 51 security vulnerabilities in a wide range of enterprise
products.

The Redwood City, Calif., database server giant's patch batch covers serious
holes in Oracle Database, Oracle Application Server, Oracle Collaboration
Suite, Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications, Oracle Enterprise Manager
and Oracle PeopleSoft Enterprise and JD Edwards EnterpriseOne.

The most serious of the 51 flaws carry a CVSS (Common Vulnerability Scoring
Standard) base score of 7.0.


So security and thinking that you got it right the first time is never going
to happen.  Now is it?




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Re: Index on collector tag collector unique

[MB Software Solutions]

MB Software Solutions wrote:
> Michael Madigan wrote:
>   
>> Thanks.  What do you mean by "candidate"?
>>
>>   
>> 
> Same as a Primary index, meaning that the values in that field 
> (combination) are all unique, i.e., without duplicates, but that it is 
> not the primary index (because something else is generally).
>
>
>   
Let me add this:  "...but a field that might be intelligible or 
human-understandable (like a Customer_ID), unlike a Primary Key field 
where it may simply be an autoincrementing field."

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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[MB Software Solutions]

Hal Kaplan wrote:
>  A thorough understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some 
> math, regression, ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify someone to be a 
> computer professional.
>
>   

Perhaps that's why most of these "charge 'em as much as you can" bozos 
and other non-ethical folks (who, for example, draft bogus EULAs) don't 
want this!

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Re: [NF] Invalid Terms

[MB Software Solutions]

Hal Kaplan wrote:
>   The bottom line?  She loves to go to Dunkin Donuts for joe and I 
> like 7-11.
>   

How well does she know "Joe"  ??  (He meant 'coffee' for you 
non-US folks who might not know what he really meant.  )

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[OT] Virgin birth again.....

[srussell]

or


A female chimpanzee at a sanctuary has given birth, despite the fact that
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Re: Index on collector tag collector unique

[MB Software Solutions]

Michael Madigan wrote:
> Thanks.  What do you mean by "candidate"?
>
>   
Same as a Primary index, meaning that the values in that field 
(combination) are all unique, i.e., without duplicates, but that it is 
not the primary index (because something else is generally).


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RE: Index on collector tag collector unique

[Michael Madigan]

Thanks.  What do you mean by "candidate"?



--- Rick Schummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Unique indexes are bad and the behavior you are
> observing is how they are designed. Direct from
> HackFox:
> 
> "A so-called unique index contains a key only for
> the first record that has a particular key value.
> That is, once a key value occurs, no other records
> with that key value get added to the index.
> There's no mechanism to enforce uniqueness here,
> just a way to find one of each. However, unique
> indexes are not properly maintained. If you delete a
> record that's represented in the index, FoxPro
> does not add the next record in the table that has
> the same key value. Don't ever use "unique"
> indexes—there's always a better way to do it."
> 
> Use candidate index tags to get and enforce
> uniqueness or be prepared to rebuild the index each
> time
> a record is deleted.
> 
> 
> Rick
> White Light Computing, Inc.
> 
> www.whitelightcomputing.com
> www.rickschummer.com
> 586.254.2530 - office
> 586.254.2539 - fax
>   
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Michael
> Madigan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 03:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Index on collector tag collector unique
> 
> OK, so I have a client database and on that database
> I have a collector ID.  I have a tag in the
> compound index that is created by 
> 
> "index on collector tag collector unique".  
> 
> This gives me a list of unique collectors using the
> system, each one assigned to one or more
> clients.
> 
> I have a collector 5.  If I happen to delete the
> record which is in the unique index, there no
> longer are any more '5's in the index.  Shouldn't it
> add another record with a collector='5' to that
> index?
> 
> Am I understanding the way unique works?
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Hal Kaplan]

 
=> And the second problem is that all of the folks in the biz 
=> would want to be grandfathered in. Who in their right mind 
=> would submit to having to gain credentials (that they may or 
=> may not be qualified to earn) to do what they've been doing 
=> for the last 10 or 20 years?
=> 
=> So, just like the answer about how God created the world in 
=> 6 days 
=> He didn't have to worry about the installed base.
=> 
=> Whil
=> 

During those 6 days, G-d did not create the AMA, ABA, AIA, AICPA, or any other 
professional group except perhaps for clergy.

The "installed base" existed for all of these professions and it is now all a 
matter of history.  Some practioners fared better than others but on the whole 
society gained.  BTW, you do not need a degree in architecture to be an 
architect, or a law degree to be an attorney (I am not sure about medicine and 
accounting).  You can become a licensed professional through well-documented 
experience.  Of course you still need to take and pass the state licensing 
exam.  And I dare say that if a similarly-structured arrangement existed for 
people like us, a good number would pass the exam and gain "grandfather" 
status, others would fail, and still others would walk away or do nothing 
because the effective date for all of the lead-ins to congeal would probably be 
6 to 10 years off. 

What is needed to achieve widespread licensing is a catalyst such as a massive 
lapse of public safety or security that could be laid at the feet of the 
profession as it exists today.

There are no questions of impartiality or any nonsense like that.  Those 
arguments are specious.  All professions have competing suppliers who will do 
almost anything to get and keep business ... ruthlessly and illegally too!  But 
the basics of these professions: the chemistry of life, anatomy, legal 
precedent, torts, etc. are independent of commercialism.  Intel and AMD may be 
making a lot of bits, but they did not invent them.  A thorough understanding 
of algorithmic principles, database, some math, regression, ETHICS, etc. is 
what should qualify someone to be a computer professional.

B+
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RE: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Hal Kaplan]

=> On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:
=> 
=> > Fine, Ed.  Copyright law does not work that way but I am 
=> not referring 
=> > to copyright law.  I am referring to licensing.  You can 
=> "copyright" 
=> > your relationship with a person by marriage,
=> 
=>  No, you can't.
=> 
=> > but your marital relationship is not going to work out if 
=> you and your 
=> > partner cannot come to terms on how you are going to live together.
=> 
=>  Of course, but completely irrelevant to software licensing.
=> 
=>  The only reason licensing is needed is because of 
=> copyright. Without copyright, I can take Microsoft's code 
=> and do with it what I like, and I can make as many copies as 
=> I want and sell them and keep all the money for myself, or 
=> just give them away if I like. But copyright prohibits me 
=> from doing that. The license I receive from an author who 
=> holds the copyright is similarly bound by copyright law.
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

OK Ed.  A couple of posts back you wrote "IONAL."  I thought that meant "I am 
not a lawyer."  I guess I was wrong about that particular meaning and that it 
was not an acronym after all.

This discussion is very interesting and I would like to go on but it's also 
moot.  We covered something similar to this in my wife's 1-L class last year 
(she is also a prof) and spent 3 days debating motion picture copyrights, 
derivative works, personae, likenesses, and greed.  The bottom line?  She loves 
to go to Dunkin Donuts for joe and I like 7-11.

B+
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RE: Index on collector tag collector unique

[Rick Schummer]

Unique indexes are bad and the behavior you are observing is how they are 
designed. Direct from
HackFox:

"A so-called unique index contains a key only for the first record that has a 
particular key value.
That is, once a key value occurs, no other records with that key value get 
added to the index.
There's no mechanism to enforce uniqueness here, just a way to find one of 
each. However, unique
indexes are not properly maintained. If you delete a record that's represented 
in the index, FoxPro
does not add the next record in the table that has the same key value. Don't 
ever use "unique"
indexes—there's always a better way to do it."

Use candidate index tags to get and enforce uniqueness or be prepared to 
rebuild the index each time
a record is deleted.


Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com
www.rickschummer.com
586.254.2530 - office
586.254.2539 - fax
  


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
Madigan
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 03:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Index on collector tag collector unique

OK, so I have a client database and on that database I have a collector ID.  I 
have a tag in the
compound index that is created by 

"index on collector tag collector unique".  

This gives me a list of unique collectors using the system, each one assigned 
to one or more
clients.

I have a collector 5.  If I happen to delete the record which is in the unique 
index, there no
longer are any more '5's in the index.  Shouldn't it add another record with a 
collector='5' to that
index?

Am I understanding the way unique works?


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[NF] 51 holes to plug? Is that all

[srussell]

And you thought it was a rag on M$ now didn't you ;->



Oracle has released its first critical patch update for 2007, with fixes
for a total of 51 security vulnerabilities in a wide range of enterprise
products.

The Redwood City, Calif., database server giant's patch batch covers
serious holes in Oracle Database, Oracle Application Server, Oracle
Collaboration Suite, Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications, Oracle
Enterprise Manager and Oracle PeopleSoft Enterprise and JD Edwards
EnterpriseOne.

The most serious of the 51 flaws carry a CVSS (Common Vulnerability
Scoring Standard) base score of 7.0.


So security and thinking that you got it right the first time is never
going to happen.  Now is it?




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Re: AFUG Meeting Notice : YAG Talks Sedna

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Kevin Cully wrote:

> AFUG is pleased to announce that Y. Alan Griver, will be our special
> guest speaker at our January meeting. YAG will be discussing what  
> is the
> latest news about Sedna and all sorts of additional technological  
> subjects.

BTW, tell Alan I said hello.

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Re: AFUG Meeting Notice : YAG Talks Sedna

[Kevin Cully]

Update to the location.  We're renting a conference room at the Georgia
Tech Hotel.

DIRECTIONS:http://www.gatechhotel.com/AboutUs/mapDirections.cfm

We'll be meeting beforehand at Moe's for some food and drink.

-Kevin


Kevin Cully wrote:
> http://afug.com
> 
> Thursday, January 18th, 2007
> 
> AFUG is pleased to announce that Y. Alan Griver, will be our special 
> guest speaker at our January meeting. YAG will be discussing what is the 
> latest news about Sedna and all sorts of additional technological subjects.
> 
> NOTE: The location is to be determined.
> 
> Yair Alan Griver is the architect for the Microsoft.com community 
> properties. As architect, he is responsible for creating a coherent 
> underlying platform for properties that include blogs.msdn.com, 
> forums.msdn.com, GotDotNet, chats and CodePlex. In addition to MSCOM 
> architect, Alan is also responsible for the continued development of 
> Visual FoxPro. Prior to the architect role, Alan was Group Manager for 
> the Visual Studio Data group. As Group Manager, Alan’s teams produced 
> the tools used inside of Visual Studio .NET, Office and SQL Server that 
> surface data capabilities, as well as Visual FoxPro. Prior to this 
> position, Alan was a Lead Program Manager and Community Evangelist for 
> Visual Basic .NET, driving community interests into Visual Basic .NET. 
> Before joining Microsoft, Alan was Chief Information Officer at 
> GoAmerica, a publicly traded telecommunications (wireless internet) 
> company, and co-founder and CIO of Flash Creative Management a business 
> strategy and technology consulting company. Alan is the author of five 
> books on Visual FoxPro and Visual Basic, the creator of various 
> development frameworks, and has developed database systems ranging into 
> the thousands of users. He has spoken around the world on databases, 
> object orientation and development team management issues, as well as 
> XML and messaging-based applications.
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Index on collector tag collector unique

[Michael Madigan]

OK, so I have a client database and on that database I
have a collector ID.  I have a tag in the compound
index that is created by 

"index on collector tag collector unique".  

This gives me a list of unique collectors using the
system, each one assigned to one or more clients.

I have a collector 5.  If I happen to delete the
record which is in the unique index, there no longer
are any more '5's in the index.  Shouldn't it add
another record with a collector='5' to that index?

Am I understanding the way unique works?


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RE: [NF] Windows Media Player 10 -- hog?

[Alan Bourke]

Try Windows Media Player 11 maybe? WinAmp always crashed on me so I
ditched it. Have a look at the freeware VLC player too. If it's just
playback you're after there are any number of alternatives to WMP.
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Re: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> Fine, Ed.  Copyright law does not work that way but I am not  
> referring to copyright law.  I am referring to licensing.  You can  
> "copyright" your relationship with a person by marriage,

No, you can't.

> but your marital relationship is not going to work out if you and  
> your partner cannot come to terms on how you are going to live  
> together.

Of course, but completely irrelevant to software licensing.

The only reason licensing is needed is because of copyright. Without  
copyright, I can take Microsoft's code and do with it what I like,  
and I can make as many copies as I want and sell them and keep all  
the money for myself, or just give them away if I like. But copyright  
prohibits me from doing that. The license I receive from an author  
who holds the copyright is similarly bound by copyright law.

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Re: select from table

[Richard Kaye]

My WAG would be you need to group on empcode & cycles in order to have 
the TOP clause give you what you want.

Tracy Pearson wrote:
> WAG
>
> Select empcode, (select sum(gross) from table1 sumtable where
> sumtable.empcode = table1.empcode top 52 order by cycle desc) as grosssum
> from table1 group by empcode
>
> Tracy
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sytze de Boer
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:39 PM
>>
>> Hi folk
>> I have a table where amongst other fields, I have empcode
>> C(10), gross N(10,2), cycle N(5) empcode is the employee
>> code, gross is total pay, cycle is the pay number
>>
>> I want to:
>> select empcode, sum(gross) from mytable order by empcode
>> group by empcode into table newtable BUT I ONLY WANT THE LAST
>> 52 CYCLES (Some may have 300 cycles) Some may only have (say)
>> 30 cycles
>>
>> Is this feasible ?
>>
>> Regards
>> Sytze
>> 

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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Michael Madigan]

I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think
the time when customers used to stick with one
business because the service was that good, is long
gone.

I have one auto dealership that I buy from.  Their
service is unbelievably good.  I'm willing to pay more
for their cars to have that service, even if their car
prices are good anyway.

I have one bank that I'm going to consolidate all my
accounts into because their service is that good.




--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 12:03 pm, Michael
> Madigan wrote:
> > However, I've seen that the most
> > successful companies are the ones that treat their
> > employees like crap.
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> What? THAT good?
> 
> I think it used to be that companies made their
> money off of customers. Now 
> they clearly make their money off their employees.
> 
> Odd that the article was on MSN. Seems that MSN
> would not be sounding so 
> leftish, but no matter, it will never actually
> happen.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
> 
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RE: FoxPro Screen and .EXE - VFP 7.0

[Tracy Pearson]

with a Config.fpw file.
It's a text files you can put the following in it
  _Screen = off
  resource = off

See: http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~OneFormVfpApp~VFP

Tracy

> -Original Message-
> From: Hines, Catherine
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:23 PM
>
>
> I'm creating an executable from a program that runs against
> Oracle and produces an Excel output file.  It does nothing
> else; there is no form. I've created a project, added my
> program to the project, and created an executable from the
> project.  Which works fine, but it opens a MS Visual FoxPro
> screen while it runs.  I want to suppress that screen.  How
> do I do that?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Catherine Hines




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RE: select from table

[Tracy Pearson]

WAG

Select empcode, (select sum(gross) from table1 sumtable where
sumtable.empcode = table1.empcode top 52 order by cycle desc) as grosssum
from table1 group by empcode

Tracy


> -Original Message-
> From: Sytze de Boer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:39 PM
>
> Hi folk
> I have a table where amongst other fields, I have empcode
> C(10), gross N(10,2), cycle N(5) empcode is the employee
> code, gross is total pay, cycle is the pay number
>
> I want to:
> select empcode, sum(gross) from mytable order by empcode
> group by empcode into table newtable BUT I ONLY WANT THE LAST
> 52 CYCLES (Some may have 300 cycles) Some may only have (say)
> 30 cycles
>
> Is this feasible ?
>
> Regards
> Sytze




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FoxPro Screen and .EXE - VFP 7.0

[Hines, Catherine]

I'm creating an executable from a program that runs against Oracle and
produces an Excel output file.  It does nothing else; there is no form.
I've created a project, added my program to the project, and created an
executable from the project.  Which works fine, but it opens a MS Visual
FoxPro screen while it runs.  I want to suppress that screen.  How do I
do that?

 

Thanks, 

Catherine Hines   

 



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RE: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Hal Kaplan]

=> 
=> > Poppycock, Ed!  M$ makes a product.  You want to use it 
=> and you buy it 
=> > SUBJECT TO THE TERMS of the license agreement.  You don't like the 
=> > agreement?  Don't buy the product or negotiate a different 
=> agreement.
=> 
=>  Sorry, but copyright law doesn't work that way. IANAL, 
=> nor am I married to one, so I'll let someone who is explain it:
=> 
=> http://interactionlaw.com/id12.html
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

Fine, Ed.  Copyright law does not work that way but I am not referring to 
copyright law.  I am referring to licensing.  You can "copyright" your 
relationship with a person by marriage, but your marital relationship is not 
going to work out if you and your partner cannot come to terms on how you are 
going to live together.

The way the article is written (that is, the tone), we are arguing about a moot 
point because if M$ ever deigns to attempt to enforce the EULA, they will, ipso 
facto, lose the copyright, which is 1000% against what they got the copyright 
for in the first place.  So, let's all go out and violate every provision of 
the EULA.  Let's FORCE M$ to engage in this folly.  After a few years, the 
battle will be won and all M$ products will be in the PUBLIC DOMAIN!  

Clearly, there is nothing in  the EULA or the DMCA that is subject to 
interpretation.  500 years of jurisprudence has left no stone unturned and 
therefore we know that all contracts are clear and unambiguous and all 
important legal decisions have been made already.  So let's stop arguing about 
this and party!

And here's my slogan, at no additional charge:

You may be able to burn the Yule log only at Christmastime, but you can burn 
the EULA any day you choose (... and without infringing on the copyright.)

B+
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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

David Crooks wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:03 PM Ed Leafe wrote:
> 
>>  The only way that that would work is if the
> testing/certification body was impartial. Try 
>> to find one of those these days.
> 
> Flash back to when there was a committee to standardize the XBase
> language and each company that produced like products like dBase,
> Clipper, and FoxPro wanted their product to be the standard.


And the second problem is that all of the folks in the biz would want to 
be grandfathered in. Who in their right mind would submit to having to 
gain credentials (that they may or may not be qualified to earn) to do 
what they've been doing for the last 10 or 20 years?

So, just like the answer about how God created the world in 6 days 
He didn't have to worry about the installed base.

Whil


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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 12:03 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
> However, I've seen that the most
> successful companies are the ones that treat their
> employees like crap.

Hi Michael!

What? THAT good?

I think it used to be that companies made their money off of customers. Now 
they clearly make their money off their employees.

Odd that the article was on MSN. Seems that MSN would not be sounding so 
leftish, but no matter, it will never actually happen.

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select from table

[Sytze de Boer]

Hi folk
I have a table where amongst other fields, I have empcode C(10), gross
N(10,2), cycle N(5)
empcode is the employee code, gross is total pay, cycle is the pay number

I want to:
select empcode, sum(gross) from mytable order by empcode group by
empcode into table newtable
BUT I ONLY WANT THE LAST 52 CYCLES (Some may have 300 cycles)
Some may only have (say) 30 cycles

Is this feasible ?

Regards
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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 17 January 2007 9:44 am, MB Software Solutions wrote:


Hi Michael!

Well, if they actually carry through with it. I don't think they ever will, 
somehow.


> http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TheComingCrackd
>ownOnCEOs.aspx
>
> It's about time.

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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Helio W.]

That was the point to begin with.

On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would agree on that...
>
> No performee, no payee...
>
> Kind of like I told an agency once,
>
> No payee, no workee
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
>
> It seems to me that the shareholders should have a say in it.
>
> Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge salary?
>
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp
>
> I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base salary + a bonus, but
> with a reasonable cap.  A totally broke company giving 40 million to a CEO
> is just crazy.
>
>
> --- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Nope, just hungry...
> > I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making the big bucks and I
> > know a few individuals that own their own private companies..
> >
> > They're no different then you or I, except that they don't understand
> > the words "It Can't be done"
> >
> >
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W.
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> >
> > You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> >
> > On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> > >
> > >
> > > Virgil Bierschwale
> > > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
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Re: VFP in Asian (Hong Kong) environments

[William Sanders / EFG]

Heya Richard -

email me offlist with a contact phone number or skype ID,
I'll fill you full of stuff from my experience and my partners
experience.

Regards [Bill]
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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[David Crooks]

On Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:03 PM Ed Leafe wrote:

>   The only way that that would work is if the
testing/certification body was impartial. Try 
>to find one of those these days.

Flash back to when there was a committee to standardize the XBase
language and each company that produced like products like dBase,
Clipper, and FoxPro wanted their product to be the standard.

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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 12:16 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:

> I too wish they would require some sort of testing of qualifications.

The only way that that would work is if the testing/certification  
body was impartial. Try to find one of those these days.

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Re: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> Poppycock, Ed!  M$ makes a product.  You want to use it and you buy  
> it SUBJECT TO THE TERMS of the license agreement.  You don't like  
> the agreement?  Don't buy the product or negotiate a different  
> agreement.

Sorry, but copyright law doesn't work that way. IANAL, nor am I  
married to one, so I'll let someone who is explain it:

http://interactionlaw.com/id12.html

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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Hal Kaplan]

=> That's because plumbing changes very little, so a standard 
=> set of skills and exams can be developed and honed over 
=> time.  With computing everything changes too quickly for 
=> these things to take shape.  By the time you have become an 
=> NT guru it is out of date.  Your MCSD etc. does not have an 
=> unlimited life span.  Changing hardware also does not help.
=> > Hell, even I qualify as a computer professional  ME   
=> Let's not go overboard ;-)
=> 
=> Just my .02
=> 
=> Peter
=> 

All professions change on a recurring basis ... medicine, law, plumbing (new 
materials & practices), and computers as well.  This was recognized about 15 
years ago when Continuing Education requirements were enacted (at least in New 
York state).  True, many of the CE programs are jokes, but that is a different 
issue.

The basics of computers and computing have not changed in over a hundred years, 
only the methods of implementing them and arranging them.  So why shouldn't 
there be a requirement for such knowledge?  And how many WinME users are still 
out there?  Don't they have a right to expect the same level of expertise as 
anyone else?  (WindowsME?? Nah.)  Are you going to say that medicine has not 
changed because people still breathe the same way they did 5,000 years ago?

Not a reasonable comparison, Mr. C. ... and this from a man who shares the name 
of a great coronary surgeon .

B+
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Re: FoxPro on Vista

[Bob Lee]

What is 2Bb ?  2 Biggems Bytes ?
Bob Lee


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Crozier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:26 AM
Subject: RE: FoxPro on Vista


> Al,
> VFP9 Works No Problems (so far) on mine. I fired it up on Saturday.
>
> I'm still not convinced about the speed of it though. I think my 2Bb of
> memory is insufficient.
>
> Dave Crozier
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Allen Pollard
> Sent: 16 January 2007 11:17
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: FoxPro on Vista
>
> Hi foxgang
> Just tried out Vista ultimate on my Acer laptop. So much for VFP running 
> on
> it though.
> VFP5 comes up with cant start application yet works
> VFP7 is ok
> VFP7 moans about MSXML4 and the task manager does not work.
> All good stuff so it looks like back to XP for me
> Allen
>
> -- 
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> 16/01/2007
> 08:25
>
>
>
>
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RE: [OT] Justice = The Midas Rule (was Re: [NF] Invalid Terms)

[Michael Madigan]

Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were guilty.


--- Hal Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> => 
> => Take a look at  OJ Simpson and Robert Blake. 
> Both guilty as 
> => sin with good lawyers.  Phil Spector looks like
> he'll get 
> => off with murder too.  I wonder if you can convict
> a 
> => celebrity anymore.
> => 
> 
> Lil Kim (spelling?) served her year-and-a-day in
> jail on a perjury conviction (felony) and is no
> longer a citizen of the United States of America.
> 
> Robert Stroud saved hundreds of injured and sick
> birds but he never got a pardon.
> 
> 
> Don't blame the system just because the results
> don't live up to your expectations.
> 
> It would really be nice if 1+1=3 or even 4 or a
> gazillion, but it is not going to happen in our
> system of mathematics.
> 
> For every OJ or Blake or Specter, there is an Ethel
> & Julius Rosenberg.
> 
> Don't be a sore loser and a whiner, Mike ... work to
> make the system better instead of putting everyone
> and everything down.  You will have a lot more
> credibility.
> 
> B+
> HALinNY
> 
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RE: [OT] Justice = The Midas Rule (was Re: [NF] Invalid Terms)

[Hal Kaplan]

=> 
=> Take a look at  OJ Simpson and Robert Blake.  Both guilty as 
=> sin with good lawyers.  Phil Spector looks like he'll get 
=> off with murder too.  I wonder if you can convict a 
=> celebrity anymore.
=> 

Lil Kim (spelling?) served her year-and-a-day in jail on a perjury conviction 
(felony) and is no longer a citizen of the United States of America.

Robert Stroud saved hundreds of injured and sick birds but he never got a 
pardon.


Don't blame the system just because the results don't live up to your 
expectations.

It would really be nice if 1+1=3 or even 4 or a gazillion, but it is not going 
to happen in our system of mathematics.

For every OJ or Blake or Specter, there is an Ethel & Julius Rosenberg.

Don't be a sore loser and a whiner, Mike ... work to make the system better 
instead of putting everyone and everything down.  You will have a lot more 
credibility.

B+
HALinNY


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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Peter Cushing]

Hal Kaplan wrote:
> I know Ed does not like lawyers but I do not know why.  It really is a shame 
> how 95% of the profession makes things bad for the other 5%.  
>   
Excellent!
> IMHO, the real problem with computer "professionals" is that they are NOT.  
> Unlike other professionals, computer pros do not share a common educational 
> background, participate in any kind of regulated/documented journeyman 
> program, and are not tested or licensed by a government body charged with 
> protecting the public safety (usually the state education department).
>
> In New York City, for example, PLUMBERS have a more rigorous career path than 
> programmers or database admins or network admins.  
That's because plumbing changes very little, so a standard set of skills 
and exams can be developed and honed over time.  With computing 
everything changes too quickly for these things to take shape.  By the 
time you have become an NT guru it is out of date.  Your MCSD etc. does 
not have an unlimited life span.  Changing hardware also does not help.
> Hell, even I qualify as a computer professional  ME   
Let's not go overboard ;-)

Just my .02

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Re: VFP in Asian (Hong Kong) environments

[Paul Hill]

On 1/17/07, Richard Kaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My company is investigating the possibility of selling/expanding our
> vertical market app into Hong Kong. While our app runs in 4 languages
> now, this would be our first experience working with Chinese (or any
> Asian) clients for that matter. I'm interested in any feedback both for
> development issues when working with VFP & double byte character sets
> and business issues working with HK clients.

I've worked with a Fox for DOS application that was used by 100s of
users in China, Thailand & Japan.

Our solution was simple: Make 'em speak English :-)

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RE: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Hal Kaplan]

=> 
=> On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Hal Kaplan wrote:
=> 
=> > M$ has to start by alleging a breach of contract.  So the question 
=> > then becomes what provision is so onerous that a licensee has no 
=> > choice but to violate it?
=> 
=>  No, that's not the case at all. Copyright gives you 
=> certain rights to control your work, but not absolute 
=> rights. If I write a book, I can legally force someone to 
=> pay me for the right to read my book.  
=> But I cannot add a restriction that the book only be read in 
=> natural sunlight, and that reading it using 
=> electrically-generated light sources is a violation of their 
=> license to read the book. If I write a hit song, I can 
=> charge you for a copy of the song, but I can't add a 
=> restriction that prohibits you from humming the catchy melody.
=> 
=>  The EULA issues fall into this realm. They are claiming 
=> rights that they simply do not have, but no one dares to 
=> risk the financial burden of challenging them, since justice 
=> has very little to do with who is right, but rather who can 
=> afford the best lawyers for the longest period.
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

Poppycock, Ed!  M$ makes a product.  You want to use it and you buy it SUBJECT 
TO THE TERMS of the license agreement.  You don't like the agreement?  Don't 
buy the product or negotiate a different agreement.

The copyright only protects the holder's right to be compensated for his work.  
If some jerk wants to stop you from humming his hit song and he makes that 
clear when you purchase a copy, then you have an agreement with him NOT TO HUM 
the song.  

As long as the license agreement does not include any provisions that are 
illegal or criminal or dangerous to the public safety and well-being (whatever 
that is), it remains a voluntary, enforceable agreement and has nothing to do 
with the copyright (although there is some overlap).

The only way a EULA would not be enforceable is if M$ required you to commit 
adultery every time you booted your computer with Windows.  This is just an 
example.  Some people may enjoy committing adultery and some people cannot 
because they are not married or not old enough to be sexually active or too old 
to be sexually active.  But please do not become picayune.

B+
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Re: mySQL Community or Enterprise

[MB Software Solutions]

Lew Schwartz wrote:
> Just getting started with using mySQL w/VFP, and I already have a
> decision to make. There are two versions now, Community and Enterprise.
> What's the difference? Which should I choose?
> -Lew
>   

This might answer your question:  
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.0.html

-- 
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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[MB Software Solutions]

Hal Kaplan wrote:
> I know Ed does not like lawyers but I do not know why.  It really is a shame 
> how 95% of the profession makes things bad for the other 5%.  Personally, I 
> think "lawyer" is a pejorative term and I insist that my wife refer to 
> herself as an "attorney at law."  
>
> Every operating system I have ever worked with has had undocumented hooks for 
> the benefit of favored software to accomplish something not easily done 
> otherwise.  I have even written some.  They are generally of great benefit.  
> Perhaps M$ has overdone this or perhaps some developer is looking for a 
> non-self-incriminating answer for his lack of success.  The bottom line is 
> that in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty insignificant.
>
> IMHO, the real problem with computer "professionals" is that they are NOT.  
> Unlike other professionals, computer pros do not share a common educational 
> background, participate in any kind of regulated/documented journeyman 
> program, and are not tested or licensed by a government body charged with 
> protecting the public safety (usually the state education department).
>
> In New York City, for example, PLUMBERS have a more rigorous career path than 
> programmers or database admins or network admins.  Hell, even I qualify as a 
> computer professional  ME   And to the best of my knowledge, 
> every effort to get computer pros on the same track as doctors, lawyers, 
> accountants, plumbers, electricians, etc., has been met with extreme 
> resistance (except by the U.S. Department of Labor in an effort to avoid 
> having to pay us overtime).
>
> This type of government oversight has been sought-out by the other 
> professions as a means of elevating and legitimizing themselves.  Computer 
> professionals, on the other hand, have spent countless hours developing 
> high-level-languages and user-friendly-software that is designed to 
> commoditize computer professionalism instead of elevate it.  Yes, even the 
> soccer mom who knows how to use QuickBooks is a computer professional.
>
> YMMV.
>   

I too wish they would require some sort of testing of qualifications.  I 
was hopeful back in the 90s when I heard Ted Roche speak at WhilFest 
about certification (iirc) that the day would come..but it never 
did.  And the major vendors--Oracle, M$, Novell, etc.--tried to I guess 
you could say with their certification tests--but I contend that that 
was simply another source of revenue for them, as I attended a New 
Horizons training for MCSD and it simply seemed like a diploma mill kind 
of thing where they really didn't care if you knew it or not.  They just 
wanted their $$.

-- 
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mySQL Community or Enterprise

[Lew Schwartz]

Just getting started with using mySQL w/VFP, and I already have a
decision to make. There are two versions now, Community and Enterprise.
What's the difference? Which should I choose?
-Lew


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Re: [OT] Justice = The Midas Rule (was Re: [NF] Invalid Terms)

[Michael Madigan]

Take a look at  OJ Simpson and Robert Blake.  Both
guilty as sin with good lawyers.  Phil Spector looks
like he'll get off with murder too.  I wonder if you
can convict a celebrity anymore.


--- MB Software Solutions
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ed Leafe wrote:
> > 
> > since justice has very little to do with  
> > who is right, but rather who can afford the best
> lawyers for the  
> > longest period.
> >   
> 
> I wonder if there's a way to fix that problem?  Do
> other civilized 
> countries have this same problem? 
> 
> -- 
> Michael J. Babcock, MCP
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> solutions!"
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Michael Madigan]

Everyplace I've worked, the money went to the
clueless. LOL

I've always said that if I had employees that I would
pay them based on a fixed percentage of what they
generated in business.  If I bill you at $100.00/hr, I
pay you $50.00 / hr.  However, I've seen that the most
successful companies are the ones that treat their
employees like crap.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would agree on that...
> 
> No performee, no payee...
> 
> Kind of like I told an agency once,
> 
> No payee, no workee 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> 
> It seems to me that the shareholders should have a
> say in it.
> 
> Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge
> salary?
> 
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp
> 
> I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base
> salary + a bonus, but
> with a reasonable cap.  A totally broke company
> giving 40 million to a CEO
> is just crazy.
> 
> 
> --- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Nope, just hungry...
> > I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making
> the big bucks and I 
> > know a few individuals that own their own private
> companies..
> > 
> > They're no different then you or I, except that
> they don't understand 
> > the words "It Can't be done"
> > 
> > 
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Helio W.
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> > 
> > You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> > 
> > On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> > >
> > >
> > > Virgil Bierschwale
> > > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> > 
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RE: FoxPro on Vista

[Rick Schummer]

Allen,

>>VFP7 moans about MSXML4 and the task manager does not work.<<

Assuming you meant VFP 9, did you apply the SP2 CTP patch? I am not sure this 
fixes your problem or
not, and if it does not I would report this to the VFP team via the Connect Web 
site
(https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/default.aspx?SiteID=210&wa=wsignin1.0) 
as a possible bug. 

As for the general complaining about Fox not working under Vista, this is one 
of the things
Microsoft is working on for VFP 9 SP2 as stated in the roadmap. 

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RE: [NF] Windows Media Player 10 -- hog?

[Dave Crozier]

Michael,
The latest Winamp is not resource hungry and plays just about everything
Audio/Video that I throw at it. So much so, that I've upgraded from the free
version to the paid version. Give the free version a try - no adware either
unlike the "Real" range of products

I tried the Nero offering "Nero Media Centre" but that is just terrible - so
give that a miss.

Dave Crozier

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Subject: [NF] Windows Media Player 10 -- hog?

WMP 10 seems to be much more of a resource hog than the previous 
versions.  I've used Yahoo Music Jukebox and am thinking about just 
using it instead of WMP 10.  What do the rest of you folks use (that 
isn't a hog like WMP 10 seems to be)?

-- 
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RE: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[Hal Kaplan]

=> 
=> Ed Leafe wrote:
=> >The attitude of most computer "professionals" is more 
=> akin to that of 
=> > lawyers: milk the client for whatever you can simply 
=> because you can.
=> >   
=> 
=> Sad, but true.  And that's what taints our professional and 
=> gives us the 
=> black eye.
=> 
=> -- 
=> 
=> Michael J. Babcock, MCP
=>

I know Ed does not like lawyers but I do not know why.  It really is a shame 
how 95% of the profession makes things bad for the other 5%.  Personally, I 
think "lawyer" is a pejorative term and I insist that my wife refer to herself 
as an "attorney at law."  

Every operating system I have ever worked with has had undocumented hooks for 
the benefit of favored software to accomplish something not easily done 
otherwise.  I have even written some.  They are generally of great benefit.  
Perhaps M$ has overdone this or perhaps some developer is looking for a 
non-self-incriminating answer for his lack of success.  The bottom line is that 
in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty insignificant.

IMHO, the real problem with computer "professionals" is that they are NOT.  
Unlike other professionals, computer pros do not share a common educational 
background, participate in any kind of regulated/documented journeyman program, 
and are not tested or licensed by a government body charged with protecting the 
public safety (usually the state education department).

In New York City, for example, PLUMBERS have a more rigorous career path than 
programmers or database admins or network admins.  Hell, even I qualify as a 
computer professional  ME   And to the best of my knowledge, every 
effort to get computer pros on the same track as doctors, lawyers, accountants, 
plumbers, electricians, etc., has been met with extreme resistance (except by 
the U.S. Department of Labor in an effort to avoid having to pay us overtime).

This type of government oversight has been sought-out by the other professions 
as a means of elevating and legitimizing themselves.  Computer professionals, 
on the other hand, have spent countless hours developing high-level-languages 
and user-friendly-software that is designed to commoditize computer 
professionalism instead of elevate it.  Yes, even the soccer mom who knows how 
to use QuickBooks is a computer professional.

YMMV.

B+
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[NF] Windows Media Player 10 -- hog?

[MB Software Solutions]

WMP 10 seems to be much more of a resource hog than the previous 
versions.  I've used Yahoo Music Jukebox and am thinking about just 
using it instead of WMP 10.  What do the rest of you folks use (that 
isn't a hog like WMP 10 seems to be)?

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[OT] Justice = The Midas Rule (was Re: [NF] Invalid Terms)

[MB Software Solutions]

Ed Leafe wrote:
> 
> since justice has very little to do with  
> who is right, but rather who can afford the best lawyers for the  
> longest period.
>   

I wonder if there's a way to fix that problem?  Do other civilized 
countries have this same problem? 

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RE: FoxPro on Vista

[Allen]

For information.
VFP9 required msxml4 to run the task screen. The parser is on Microsoft's
web site and it does resolve my issue (so far) with VFP9 on Vista.
Still no clues on VFP5a which I still need at the moment. I get an error
"Error initializing Application object". I don’t know what object as VFP5a
and my app work fine.
There is the help file problem though. It says get the developer to update
the help file to chm. What do you think the chances are of a VFP5a help file
that works on Vista. :)

Now another gripe. I use the windows cryptology service and the crypt class.
Vista reports the service is not available. Currently I use Microsoft
enhanced cryptographic provider v1.0
Anyone know what to use in Vista ?

Allen

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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I would agree on that...

No performee, no payee...

Kind of like I told an agency once,

No payee, no workee 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

It seems to me that the shareholders should have a say in it.

Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge salary?

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp

I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base salary + a bonus, but
with a reasonable cap.  A totally broke company giving 40 million to a CEO
is just crazy.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope, just hungry...
> I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making the big bucks and I 
> know a few individuals that own their own private companies..
> 
> They're no different then you or I, except that they don't understand 
> the words "It Can't be done"
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W.
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> 
> You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> 
> On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> >
> >
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Michael Madigan]

It seems to me that the shareholders should have a say
in it.

Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge
salary?

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp

I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base
salary + a bonus, but with a reasonable cap.  A
totally broke company giving 40 million to a CEO is
just crazy.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope, just hungry...
> I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making
> the big bucks and I know
> a few individuals that own their own private
> companies..
> 
> They're no different then you or I, except that they
> don't understand the
> words "It Can't be done" 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Helio W.
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> 
> You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> 
> On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> >
> >
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
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Re: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Hal Kaplan wrote:

> M$ has to start by alleging a breach of contract.  So the question  
> then becomes what provision is so onerous that a licensee has no  
> choice but to violate it?

No, that's not the case at all. Copyright gives you certain rights  
to control your work, but not absolute rights. If I write a book, I  
can legally force someone to pay me for the right to read my book.  
But I cannot add a restriction that the book only be read in natural  
sunlight, and that reading it using electrically-generated light  
sources is a violation of their license to read the book. If I write  
a hit song, I can charge you for a copy of the song, but I can't add  
a restriction that prohibits you from humming the catchy melody.

The EULA issues fall into this realm. They are claiming rights that  
they simply do not have, but no one dares to risk the financial  
burden of challenging them, since justice has very little to do with  
who is right, but rather who can afford the best lawyers for the  
longest period.

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Re: [NF] IE7 and MS Virtual Earth Mapping conflict with FireFox

[MB Software Solutions]

Dave Crozier wrote:
> Michael,
> I'll email you off list with a small demo.
>
>   

Sounds great, Dave...thanks!

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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Nope, just hungry...
I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making the big bucks and I know
a few individuals that own their own private companies..

They're no different then you or I, except that they don't understand the
words "It Can't be done" 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
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You're a naive guy, Virgil.

On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Spoken like a true pessimist.
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com


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VFP in Asian (Hong Kong) environments

[Richard Kaye]

My company is investigating the possibility of selling/expanding our 
vertical market app into Hong Kong. While our app runs in 4 languages 
now, this would be our first experience working with Chinese (or any 
Asian) clients for that matter. I'm interested in any feedback both for 
development issues when working with VFP & double byte character sets 
and business issues working with HK clients.

TIA

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RE: [NF] Invalid Terms

[Hal Kaplan]

=> On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:31 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
=> 
=> >>   Whenever someone with deep pockets decides to do so. 
=> Until then, the 
=> >> Golden Rule applies.
=> >
=> > But when they (M$) are the deepest pockets for miles 
=> around, that time 
=> > will never seem to come?
=> 
=>  Hence the desire by many to get the government 
=> regulators involved.
=> 
=> -- Ed Leafe

I think this is all much ado about nothing.

First, no one is going to sue M$ because of EULA content.  M$ has to start by 
alleging a breach of contract.  So the question then becomes what provision is 
so onerous that a licensee has no choice but to violate it?  This is not a 
question of "it looks onerous" or "it looks unfair," it is a question of how 
adherence to the EULA (acceptance of which is purely voluntary) is harming the 
licensee?  Specifically.

Does anyone have an example of how the EULA is harmful either to the legitimate 
needs of a licensee or the public safety and welfare?  Let's discuss it!

Also, in terms of "deep pockets,"  the "worst" defendant that M$ could engage, 
from the M$ point of view, is an individual operating as such, not a 
corporation.  Such a defendant would not need professional legal assistance and 
could argue his case "pro se."  Most lawyers hate "pro se" opponents because 
the court will usually bend over backwards to help such a person, provided the 
person is respectful, sincere, and possesses a modicum of the appearance of 
honesty and is acting with "good" intentions.

So please tell us how the EULA is going to hurt you unfairly.

B+
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RE: [NF] IE7 and MS Virtual Earth Mapping conflict with FireFox

[Dave Crozier]

Michael,
I'll email you off list with a small demo.

Dave Crozier

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Dave Crozier wrote:
> Michael,
> My software demo can do just with from/to addresses and with a little
> tweaking coupd fill the bill.
>
> I have taken it on a step here at work to allow GPS Tracking of deliveries
> to customers via a service offered by our carriers. We can scrape their
> tracker webpage and extract the lat/long of the delivery location and then
> pass that through to my system which shows where it is. We don't use the
> carrier system as the presentation is just rubbish which is why I did our
> own.
>
> Next step is to do exactly what you want with the addresses for customer
> "prospecting" by the sales force. I'll keep you posted if you want.
>
> Meanwhile I'll look into Bill's problem today when I get time.
>   

FabMate's usage would be for helping my clients plot out their trips to 
client sites, where they would do installation of their work.  A simple 
"directions" reference.  Hope you can get it going so I can outsource 
this to you!  ;-)

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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Helio W.]

You're a naive guy, Virgil.

On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Spoken like a true pessimist.
>
>
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Re: [NF] New concept to winForm controls and other .NET 3 items.

[MB Software Solutions]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Even though there are plenty of resources available for the new Microsoft
> .NET Framework 3.0 I found this introduction pretty simple and upto the
> point.
>
> Here is a gist of the different pillars of .NET Fx 3.0,
>
> 
>   

3.0?  Sheesh...where have I been...I thought 2.0 just came out not that 
long ago?  Oh well.  Back to my VFP work.  

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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Spoken like a true pessimist. 


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-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:43 AM
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On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Don't say that..
> You may wind up a CEO one of these days

Yeah, that'll happen.

> and if you're responsible for making
> your share holders a lot of money, then you're entitled to reap the 
> rewards..

Of course, the money isn't made by the workers, so they're not
entitled to reap any of the rewards. They're just a cost of doing business
that needs to be kept as low as possible.

The money CEOs make isn't tied to stock or business performance,
either. They pay millions to recruit them, and millions when they fire them.

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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Ed Leafe]

On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Don't say that..
> You may wind up a CEO one of these days

Yeah, that'll happen.

> and if you're responsible for making
> your share holders a lot of money, then you're entitled to reap the
> rewards..

Of course, the money isn't made by the workers, so they're not  
entitled to reap any of the rewards. They're just a cost of doing  
business that needs to be kept as low as possible.

The money CEOs make isn't tied to stock or business performance,  
either. They pay millions to recruit them, and millions when they  
fire them.

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[NF] New concept to winForm controls and other .NET 3 items.

[srussell]

Even though there are plenty of resources available for the new Microsoft
.NET Framework 3.0 I found this introduction pretty simple and upto the
point.

Here is a gist of the different pillars of .NET Fx 3.0,





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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Don't say that..
You may wind up a CEO one of these days and if you're responsible for making
your share holders a lot of money, then you're entitled to reap the
rewards.. 


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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TheComingCrackdo
wnOnCEOs.aspx

It's about time. 

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[OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

[MB Software Solutions]

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TheComingCrackdownOnCEOs.aspx

It's about time. 

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Re: [NF] Microsoft Caught out - Naughty, Naughty!

[MB Software Solutions]

Ed Leafe wrote:
>   The attitude of most computer "professionals" is more akin to that  
> of lawyers: milk the client for whatever you can simply because you can.
>   

Sad, but true.  And that's what taints our professional and gives us the 
black eye.

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RE: [NF] The end of desktop software development?

[Charlie Coleman]

At 06:12 AM 1/10/2007 -0600, Stephen the Cook wrote:
...

> >
> > what the  on earth is desktop software development?
>
>Software that is designed to run on the local pc.  WinForm vs Web in .net
>speak.

...

Or "smart" vs. "dumb" for in PHB-speak.

;-)

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