Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Michael Torrie]

On 09/29/2016 01:18 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 11:46:59 PM UTC+13, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> This is just getting rude.  Let's please drop it.
> 
> Do you have anything substantive to contribute?

He's already contributed far more to this list, and to Python, than you
have, and he has for years.

You apparently have nothing constructive to contribute to this topic yet
you can't resist posting and criticizing when people who might have some
small contribution try to post.

As much as I hate to say it, plonk.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Steve D'Aprano]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 05:18 am, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 11:46:59 PM UTC+13, Ned Batchelder
> wrote:
>> This is just getting rude.  Let's please drop it.
> 
> Do you have anything substantive to contribute?


Infinitely more than you.

*plonk*



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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Chris Angelico]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro
 wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 11:46:59 PM UTC+13, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> This is just getting rude.  Let's please drop it.
>
> Do you have anything substantive to contribute?

Yes. He contributed the guiding hand of "please keep it polite". If
you don't think that's substantive, go have a look at a completely
unmoderated discussion group, then at a well-led community, and see
how much more pleasant it is in one than the other.

Please don't be unnecessarily rude to people. Arguing back and forth
"Windows is terrible", "But I have tools that work just fine on
Windows", "GUIs suck", "No they don't", "You can't automate stuff on
Windows", "Yes you can", etc, etc, is not going to get anyone
anywhere, and it just makes everything unpleasant.

Thanks.

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 11:46:59 PM UTC+13, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> This is just getting rude.  Let's please drop it.

Do you have anything substantive to contribute?

























(... crickets ...)
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Ned Batchelder]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 8:00:09 PM UTC-4, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 11:54:46 AM UTC+13, Emile van Sebille 
> wrote:
> > Which worked for me! You should try it. Sloppy programming has always 
> > been unreliable.
> 
> So it is clear you don’t have an answer to the OP’s question after all. Just 
> some vague, meaningless generalities.

This is just getting rude.  Let's please drop it.

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 11:54:46 AM UTC+13, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> Which worked for me! You should try it. Sloppy programming has always 
> been unreliable.

So it is clear you don’t have an answer to the OP’s question after all. Just 
some vague, meaningless generalities.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Emile van Sebille]

On 09/28/2016 02:52 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 4:57:10 AM UTC+13, Emile van Sebille wrote:

My point was that it is possible to automate windows reliably as long as the
programming is robust.


Sounds like circular reasoning.



Which worked for me! You should try it. Sloppy programming has always 
been unreliable.


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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 4:57:10 AM UTC+13, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> My point was that it is possible to automate windows reliably as long as the
> programming is robust.

Sounds like circular reasoning.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Emile van Sebille]

On 09/23/2016 05:02 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 8:34:20 AM UTC+12, Emile wrote:

Hmm, then I'll have to wait longer to experience the unreliability as
the handful of automated gui tools I'm running has only been up 10 to 12
years or so.


You sound like you have a solution for the OP, then.



My solution was to automate one of the then available windows gui 
scripting tools. I've stopped doing windows in the meantime and no 
longer know what's available.  My point was that it is possible to 
automate windows reliably as long as the programming is robust. You 
indicated you found automating unreliable -- I disagree.


Emile


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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 6:47:27 PM UTC+12, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Still, sometimes you just need to get the job done and it doesn't matter how.

That is why the situation continues; because you keep showing a willingness to 
put up with it.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 8:34:20 AM UTC+12, Emile wrote:
> Hmm, then I'll have to wait longer to experience the unreliability as 
> the handful of automated gui tools I'm running has only been up 10 to 12 
> years or so.

You sound like you have a solution for the OP, then.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Emile]

On 09/18/2016 06:37 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 11:32:25 AM UTC+12, Michael Torrie wrote:

One I've used is AutoIt.




Like I said, this kind of thing can never work reliably...



Hmm, then I'll have to wait longer to experience the unreliability as 
the handful of automated gui tools I'm running has only been up 10 to 12 
years or so.


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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Matt Wheeler]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016, 02:47 meInvent bbird,  wrote:

> can it contorl Maplesoft's maple which is a java executable file?
>

I don't know maple so I can't answer that.

Which programming language an application is written in isn't really
relevant for pywinauto, it's the graphical toolkit in use which will make a
difference.
>From the one screenshot I found during a quick look at the Maplesoft site,
it looks like maple is using a toolkit which presents native Win32 GUI API
controls, so my *guess* is that it will work, but you'll have to try it to
find out.

I would suggest installing pywinauto and importing it in an interactive
python shell...

>>> import pywinauto
>>> maple = pywinauto.application.Application().start('maple')
>>> maple.Maple.PrintControlIdentifiers()

This will output every control on the window named "Maple" which belongs to
the 'maple' executable which was launched in the step before.
If it outputs lots of stuff you're in luck, you now get to dig through that
output to find the controls you're interested in :)

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 10:42:16 PM UTC+12, Paul Rubin wrote:
>
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
>>
> I'm quite sure there are Java bindings for all those protocols.

Are any of these supported by the Java app in question?

Doesn’t seem like it.

>> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are
>> designed for humans, not computers, to use.
> 
> Automation doesn't simulate button presses or anything like that: the
> automate objects expose higher level user actions.  E.g. the web browser
> object has a navigate method and that sort of thing.

In other words, the GUI becomes less and less relevant to this use case.

> The classic automation example is embedding a chunk of an Excel
> spreadsheet in the middle of a Word document, so it's displayed with
> Word's fonts and formatting, but when you change a number in the
> spreadsheet segment, the formulas run and the other numbers change.
> What happens there is Word collects the numbers you type, then calls the
> Excel automation interfaces to update the relevant spreadsheet cells and
> read back new numbers.  There are various hacks in KDE, Gnome, etc.  to
> do similar things under Linux.  It's all transparent to the user and
> presents useful features.

That’s not “automation”, that’s “compound documents”. For some reason this 
facility gets very little use these days.

>> GUIs are the end of the abstraction chain: you cannot build anything
>> more on top of them.
> 
> IMHO you're not contributing useful insights through these incorrect
> guesses about how Windows automation works.

Has anybody contributed a non-problematic solution yet?

Precisely.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 1:11:20 PM UTC+12, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> We get it, you don't like GUIs.

Who says I don’t like GUIs 
?

I just assume we’ve moved on from the 1990s, when they were considered to be 
the pinnacle of computing evolution, that’s all.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[meInvent bbird]

Hi Matt Wheeler,

can it contorl Maplesoft's maple which is a java executable file?


On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 5:02:15 PM UTC+8, Matt Wheeler wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, 08:12 meInvent bbird,  wrote:
> 
> > how to automate java application in window using python
> >
> > 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
> > 2. click button
> > 3. type text in textbox
> >
> 
> I would recommend having a look at pywinauto
> https://github.com/pywinauto/pywinauto
> 
> It presents a very nice pythonic interface to Windows and the controls
> within them, allowing statements such as (copied from the Readme):
> 
> app.UntitledNotepad.MenuSelect("Help->About Notepad")
> app.AboutNotepad.OK.Click()
> app.UntitledNotepad.Edit.TypeKeys ("pywinauto Works!", with_spaces = True)
> 
> (I found it already quite stable when I first used it a couple of years
> ago, and looking at the Readme now it's clearly still an active project,
> the optional image capture feature using pillow is new)
> 
> >

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Ned Batchelder]

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-4, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 11:29:24 AM UTC+12, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 6:45:32 PM UTC-4, Lawrence D’Oliveiro 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> A CLI gives the user power over the computer. While a GUI is a great way to
> >> give the computer, and proprietary software companies, power over the user.
> > 
> > This is completely beside the point of the original question.
> 
> Which is meaningless, as I explained.

We get it, you don't like GUIs.  The question is clearly not meaningless,
since others are helping with the question.

--Ned.

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 11:29:24 AM UTC+12, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 6:45:32 PM UTC-4, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> A CLI gives the user power over the computer. While a GUI is a great way to
>> give the computer, and proprietary software companies, power over the user.
> 
> This is completely beside the point of the original question.

Which is meaningless, as I explained.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 19.09.16 um 00:45 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:02:57 PM UTC+12, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:


Am 18.09.16 um 12:26 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:


Considering the power available in Free Software toolkits like
ImageMagick, G’MIC and so on, not to mention libraries accessible
from Python itself, let me suggest that such proprietary software
simply isn’t worth bothering with any more.


I was expecting that argument. Free software gives you a lot in this
area, but there are commercial signal processing programs with unmatched
quality. Examples:

https://ni.neatvideo.com/
  or for audio
http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne


If these tools are so wonderful,


They are.


why don’t they offer command-line versions?

I’ll tell you why: because it would likely mean they would sell fewer copies.


I agree with you.






A CLI gives the user power over the computer. While a GUI is a great
way to give the computer, and proprietary software companies, power
over the user.


I mostly agree with you. Doesn't change the fact, that IF you are in the 
situation that you have a program without a reasonable command line 
interfacem and IF you need to process some data in an automated fashion 
which can't be done from the GUI, then there is room for a "GUI 
automation" tool or whatever you call it.


Don't get it wrong, we all like free software and sane APIs and a Python 
binding to the mowing robot. Still, sometimes you just need to get the 
job done and it doesn't matter how.


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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 11:32:25 AM UTC+12, Michael Torrie wrote:
> One I've used is AutoIt.



Like I said, this kind of thing can never work reliably...
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Michael Torrie]

On 09/18/2016 02:22 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> I know one blind computer user who is quite capable with the command
> line, and who has little fondness for GUI apps. You should see how
> quickly he works...

Good for him.  This is very good that there are tools like that that he
and many others can use, including ourselves.  There are also good tools
for those that want or need to use MS Windows or GUI applications.

And, to get back on topic, there are good tools for automating testing
and driving of GUI apps.  One I've used is AutoIt.  There is even a
Python-based one that Matt Wheeler talked about.  I suspect it will work
more or less with the Java apps the original poster needs to work with.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Ned Batchelder]

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 6:45:32 PM UTC-4, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> A CLI gives the user power over the computer. While a GUI is a great way to 
> give the computer, and proprietary software companies, power over the user.

This is completely beside the point of the original question.

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:02:57 PM UTC+12, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>
> Am 18.09.16 um 12:26 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
>
>> Considering the power available in Free Software toolkits like
>> ImageMagick, G’MIC and so on, not to mention libraries accessible
>> from Python itself, let me suggest that such proprietary software
>> simply isn’t worth bothering with any more.
> 
> I was expecting that argument. Free software gives you a lot in this 
> area, but there are commercial signal processing programs with unmatched 
> quality. Examples:
> 
> https://ni.neatvideo.com/
>   or for audio
> http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne

If these tools are so wonderful, why don’t they offer command-line versions?

I’ll tell you why: because it would likely mean they would sell fewer copies.

Unless they put in a whole bunch of additional restrictions in the EULA, such as
  * You can’t run the program via SSH or a PTY, because this would allow
multiple machines to make use of a single copy, which is not allowed.
  * Shell scripts are allowed, but any loop invoking the cheaper version of the
tool is only allowed a maximum of 100 iterations. Also you must write the
scripts using csh, not bash.
  * Pipes are limited to a maximum transfer of one gigabyte per day.

A CLI gives the user power over the computer. While a GUI is a great way to 
give the computer, and proprietary software companies, power over the user.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 8:00:43 AM UTC+12, Michael Torrie wrote:
>
> On 09/18/2016 04:03 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are
>> designed for humans, not computers, to use.
> 
> Well then we have a huge problem.  Especially for users who are
> visually-impaired.

I know one blind computer user who is quite capable with the command line, and 
who has little fondness for GUI apps. You should see how quickly he works...
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 2:12:14 AM UTC+12, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are designed
>> for humans, not computers, to use.
> 
> Okay, then. Come up with a way to end-to-end-test a GUI application
> without some form of GUI automation.

There isn’t one. Have you noticed GUI apps are particularly buggy?
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Michael Torrie]

On 09/18/2016 04:03 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are
> designed for humans, not computers, to use.

Well then we have a huge problem.  Especially for users who are
visually-impaired. Fortunately almost all GUIs (Windows, Linux, and Mac)
are automate-able these days and can be interfaced with with screen
readers and scriptable event generators.  This is very very common, even
though you seem to think it's not.

One of the most mature tools for driving GUIs (which we used all the
time when doing scripted installs of Windows) was AutoIt.  Works pretty
well actually.

> That’s why we have command lines and scripting (which are all just
> programming at different layers, of course). That’s how you automate
> things, building higher-level abstract machines on top of lower-level
> ones. GUIs are the end of the abstraction chain: you cannot build
> anything more on top of them.

What a nice simplistic view of the world you have.


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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Paul Rubin]

Steve D'Aprano  writes:
>> Automation doesn't simulate button presses
> Rather than saying that it *doesn't*, it might be better to say that it
> doesn't *necessarily* simulate button presses.

I'm no Windoze guru but I always understood Automation (sometimes
written with a capital A) to refer to a specific set of interfaces.
I.e. it's not a generic term for driving one program with another.  As
with almost everything, there's a wiki article:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLE_Automation

> The thing about simulating button presses is that:
> (1) you can absolutely guarantee that it does exactly the same as what

Yes, this is valuable for UI testing and there were/are several testing
systems that work that way.  Automation is something different.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Chris Angelico]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro
 wrote:
> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are designed 
> for humans, not computers, to use.

Okay, then. Come up with a way to end-to-end-test a GUI application
without some form of GUI automation.

Sometimes, coming up with a more computer-friendly way to do something
fundamentally defeats the purpose.

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Steve D'Aprano]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 08:42 pm, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Lawrence D’Oliveiro  writes:
>>> lot of ways: OLE and COM objects back in the day, .NET currently,
>> None of the different ways of which are either a) compatible or b)
>> widely supported. Particularly not in Java, as the OP was asking.
> 
> I'm quite sure there are Java bindings for all those protocols.
> 
>> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are
>> designed for humans, not computers, to use.
> 
> Automation doesn't simulate button presses or anything like that: the
> automate objects expose higher level user actions.  E.g. the web browser
> object has a navigate method and that sort of thing.

Rather than saying that it *doesn't*, it might be better to say that it
doesn't *necessarily* simulate button presses.

The thing about simulating button presses is that:

(1) you can absolutely guarantee that it does exactly the same as what
happens when a user clicks the button, because there's no difference
between a mouseclick event caused by a human clicking the mouse, a
mouseclick event caused by a robot clicking the mouse, and a mouseclick
event generated by software. They're ALL generated by software, and the
application cannot tell them apart.

(2) It works even if the application doesn't offer an OLE, COM or scripting
interface.



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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 18.09.16 um 12:26 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 10:13:41 PM UTC+12, Christian
Gollwitzer wrote:


Am 18.09.16 um 12:03 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:


Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs
are designed for humans, not computers, to use.


You don't always have a choice. Consider batch-processing a number
of images (say, 30,000 movie frames) using a proprietary effect
filter which works on single images only. It might be easier to
drive the GUI than to recreate the commercial algorithm.


Considering the power available in Free Software toolkits like
ImageMagick, G’MIC and so on, not to mention libraries accessible
from Python itself, let me suggest that such proprietary software
simply isn’t worth bothering with any more.


I was expecting that argument. Free software gives you a lot in this 
area, but there are commercial signal processing programs with unmatched 
quality. Examples:


https://ni.neatvideo.com/
 or for audio
http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-is-melodyne

Their business model relies on (nontrivial) secret algorithms. Even if 
the algorithm is published it might be too tedious to reimplement it 
from the scientific paper because it takes months of work or resources 
you don't have; for instance, this algorithm


http://graphics.cs.cmu.edu/projects/scene-completion/scene-completion.pdf

requires you to have millions of stock photo images, which you are 
allowed to use. If you are flickr, getty or Google, you have no problem. 
Otherwise it will be hard.





I agree with you that it is a shaky solution, but that doesn't make
it impossible.


Is it really something you want to entrust mission-critical business
functions to?


As always, it depends. I wouldn't rest my money on a bank account which 
is managed by driving Excel via Sikuli. OTOH, I wouldn't want to spend 
years of work to recreate NeatImage to denoise the photos of my last 
holiday trip. Here, driving the GUI is fine.


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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Paul Rubin]

Lawrence D’Oliveiro  writes:
>> lot of ways: OLE and COM objects back in the day, .NET currently,
> None of the different ways of which are either a) compatible or b)
> widely supported. Particularly not in Java, as the OP was asking.

I'm quite sure there are Java bindings for all those protocols.

> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are
> designed for humans, not computers, to use.

Automation doesn't simulate button presses or anything like that: the
automate objects expose higher level user actions.  E.g. the web browser
object has a navigate method and that sort of thing.

The classic automation example is embedding a chunk of an Excel
spreadsheet in the middle of a Word document, so it's displayed with
Word's fonts and formatting, but when you change a number in the
spreadsheet segment, the formulas run and the other numbers change.
What happens there is Word collects the numbers you type, then calls the
Excel automation interfaces to update the relevant spreadsheet cells and
read back new numbers.  There are various hacks in KDE, Gnome, etc.  to
do similar things under Linux.  It's all transparent to the user and
presents useful features.

> GUIs are the end of the abstraction chain: you cannot build anything
> more on top of them.

IMHO you're not contributing useful insights through these incorrect
guesses about how Windows automation works.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 10:13:41 PM UTC+12, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>
> Am 18.09.16 um 12:03 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
>
>> Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are
>> designed for humans, not computers, to use.
> 
> You don't always have a choice. Consider batch-processing a number of 
> images (say, 30,000 movie frames) using a proprietary effect filter 
> which works on single images only. It might be easier to drive the GUI 
> than to recreate the commercial algorithm.

Considering the power available in Free Software toolkits like ImageMagick, 
G’MIC and so on, not to mention libraries accessible from Python itself, let me 
suggest that such proprietary software simply isn’t worth bothering with any 
more.

> I agree with you that it is a shaky solution, but that 
> doesn't make it impossible.

Is it really something you want to entrust mission-critical business functions 
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 18.09.16 um 12:03 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:

Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are
designed for humans, not computers, to use.


You don't always have a choice. Consider batch-processing a number of 
images (say, 30,000 movie frames) using a proprietary effect filter 
which works on single images only. It might be easier to drive the GUI 
than to recreate the commercial algorithm.



That’s why we have command lines and scripting (which are all just
programming at different layers, of course). That’s how you automate
things, building higher-level abstract machines on top of lower-level
ones. GUIs are the end of the abstraction chain: you cannot build
anything more on top of them.


Yes, you can. I agree with you that it is a shaky solution, but that 
doesn't make it impossible.


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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 9:25:53 PM UTC+12, Paul Rubin wrote:
>
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
>
>>> The term "automation" is frequently used in the Windows world to mean
>>> programming something that you would otherwise do manually through a GUI...
>>
>> Which is not something that GUIs are designed for. Therefore it is at
>> best an unreliable exercise, at worst futile.
> 
> Windows applications often (usually?) provide automation interfaces,
> which are what the rest of us would call API's.  This has been done in a
> lot of ways: OLE and COM objects back in the day, .NET currently, other
> things in between.  It's not done by screen scraping or anything stupid
> like that.  It's actually pretty well thought out, though with the usual
> layers of Microsoft and OOP bureaucracy around everything.

None of the different ways of which are either a) compatible or b) widely 
supported. Particularly not in Java, as the OP was asking.

Like I said, trying to automate a GUI is a waste of time. GUIs are designed for 
humans, not computers, to use.

That’s why we have command lines and scripting (which are all just programming 
at different layers, of course). That’s how you automate things, building 
higher-level abstract machines on top of lower-level ones. GUIs are the end of 
the abstraction chain: you cannot build anything more on top of them.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Paul Rubin]

Lawrence D’Oliveiro  writes:
>> The term "automation" is frequently used in the Windows world to mean
>> programming something that you would otherwise do manually through a GUI...
> Which is not something that GUIs are designed for. Therefore it is at
> best an unreliable exercise, at worst futile.

Windows applications often (usually?) provide automation interfaces,
which are what the rest of us would call API's.  This has been done in a
lot of ways: OLE and COM objects back in the day, .NET currently, other
things in between.  It's not done by screen scraping or anything stupid
like that.  It's actually pretty well thought out, though with the usual
layers of Microsoft and OOP bureaucracy around everything.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Matt Wheeler]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, 08:12 meInvent bbird,  wrote:

> how to automate java application in window using python
>
> 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
> 2. click button
> 3. type text in textbox
>

I would recommend having a look at pywinauto
https://github.com/pywinauto/pywinauto

It presents a very nice pythonic interface to Windows and the controls
within them, allowing statements such as (copied from the Readme):

app.UntitledNotepad.MenuSelect("Help->About Notepad")
app.AboutNotepad.OK.Click()
app.UntitledNotepad.Edit.TypeKeys ("pywinauto Works!", with_spaces = True)

(I found it already quite stable when I first used it a couple of years
ago, and looking at the Readme now it's clearly still an active project,
the optional image capture feature using pillow is new)

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Sunday 18 September 2016 14:53, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 4:11:49 PM UTC+12, Gregory Ewing wrote:
>> The term "automation" is frequently used in the Windows world to mean
>> programming something that you would otherwise do manually through a GUI...
> 
> Which is not something that GUIs are designed for. Therefore it is at best an
> unreliable exercise, at worst futile.

Cheese is not designed to be grated and put on spaghetti. Therefore grating 
cheese is at best an unreliable exercise, at worst futile.

Can you see the fallacy in your assertion yet? Do I have to spell it out for 
you?

In any case, there are many software applications for automating GUI apps. 
Contrary to your assertion, it works reliably.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gui+automation=web

It would be astonishing if it didn't -- after all, GUI apps interact with the 
user not by magic, but via an event queue of mouse movements, clicks, key 
presses, etc. This queue is entirely under the control of the computer, which 
means a program can simulate a user moving the mouse, clicking, pressing keys, 
etc. There's no magic here.




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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 4:11:49 PM UTC+12, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> The term "automation" is frequently used in the Windows world to mean
> programming something that you would otherwise do manually through a GUI...

Which is not something that GUIs are designed for. Therefore it is at best an 
unreliable exercise, at worst futile.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Gregory Ewing]

Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 10:22:34 PM UTC+12, Christian Gollwitzer
wrote:


"How do I automate a Java application using Python?"


Which is really a meaningless question. “Automation” is what computer
programs do.


It's not meaningless. The term "automation" is frequently
used in the Windows world to mean programming something that
you would otherwise do manually through a GUI, and that's
clearly the sense in which it's being used here.

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 10:22:34 PM UTC+12, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> "How do I automate a Java application using Python?"

Which is really a meaningless question. “Automation” is what computer programs 
do. (Assuming “application” is just another word for “program”.) If the program 
doesn’t work the way you expect, fix it.

But then, “automation” and “GUI” never really went together, did they 
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[vern . muhr]

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:57:04 PM UTC-7, meInvent bbird wrote:
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 2:26:47 AM UTC+8, bream...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 8:13:05 AM UTC+1, meInvent bbird wrote:
> > > how to automate java application in window using python
> > > 
> > > 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
> > > 2. click button
> > > 3. type text in textbox
> > 

Check out Sikuli at www.sikuli.org. It uses Jython, but hopefully that is close 
enough.

Best, Vern
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Fabio Zadrozny]

Take a look at https://pyautogui.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:24 AM, meInvent bbird 
wrote:

> you are right, english is not my first language
>
> i just talk as simple as i can, i do not know previous talking is mean
>
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:22:34 PM UTC+8, Christian Gollwitzer
> wrote:
> > Am 16.09.16 um 09:01 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
> > > On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:55:07 PM UTC+12, meInvent bbird
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:52:41 PM UTC+8, Lawrence
> > >> D’Oliveiro wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:13:05 PM UTC+12, meInvent
> > >>> bbird wrote:
> >  how to automate java application in window using python
> > 
> >  1. scroll up or down of scroll bar 2. click button 3. type text
> >  in textbox
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, don’t leave us in suspense! Give us the link to your blog
> > >>> post!
> > >>
> > >> i do not have blog post,
> > >
> > > Oh, now you make us sad. I thought you were promoting a blog post
> > > where you tell us “how to automate java application in window using
> > > python” using just 3 steps! But it turns out you have nothing. You
> > > are an empty promiser.
> >
> > You are being mean. It is quite evident that English is not his first
> > language, and highly probable that this was actually the question "How
> > do I automate a Java application using Python?"
> >
> > I don't have a real answer myself, but maybe using Jython one can get
> > access to the Java objects underlying the application (and then, of
> > course, execute methods of the GUI objects). This depends on the GUI
> > toolkit (Swing/SWT) and knowledge of the applications' structure, of
> > course. Another (less robust) way of desktop automation is Sikuli
> > http://www.sikuli.org/ (Windows only, I think)
> >
> >   Christian
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[meInvent bbird]

you are right, english is not my first language

i just talk as simple as i can, i do not know previous talking is mean


On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:22:34 PM UTC+8, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Am 16.09.16 um 09:01 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
> > On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:55:07 PM UTC+12, meInvent bbird
> > wrote:
> >> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:52:41 PM UTC+8, Lawrence
> >> D’Oliveiro wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:13:05 PM UTC+12, meInvent
> >>> bbird wrote:
>  how to automate java application in window using python
> 
>  1. scroll up or down of scroll bar 2. click button 3. type text
>  in textbox
> >>>
> >>> Well, don’t leave us in suspense! Give us the link to your blog
> >>> post!
> >>
> >> i do not have blog post,
> >
> > Oh, now you make us sad. I thought you were promoting a blog post
> > where you tell us “how to automate java application in window using
> > python” using just 3 steps! But it turns out you have nothing. You
> > are an empty promiser.
> 
> You are being mean. It is quite evident that English is not his first 
> language, and highly probable that this was actually the question "How 
> do I automate a Java application using Python?"
> 
> I don't have a real answer myself, but maybe using Jython one can get 
> access to the Java objects underlying the application (and then, of 
> course, execute methods of the GUI objects). This depends on the GUI 
> toolkit (Swing/SWT) and knowledge of the applications' structure, of 
> course. Another (less robust) way of desktop automation is Sikuli 
> http://www.sikuli.org/ (Windows only, I think)
> 
>   Christian

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 16.09.16 um 09:01 schrieb Lawrence D’Oliveiro:

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:55:07 PM UTC+12, meInvent bbird
wrote:

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:52:41 PM UTC+8, Lawrence
D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:13:05 PM UTC+12, meInvent
bbird wrote:

how to automate java application in window using python

1. scroll up or down of scroll bar 2. click button 3. type text
in textbox


Well, don’t leave us in suspense! Give us the link to your blog
post!


i do not have blog post,


Oh, now you make us sad. I thought you were promoting a blog post
where you tell us “how to automate java application in window using
python” using just 3 steps! But it turns out you have nothing. You
are an empty promiser.


You are being mean. It is quite evident that English is not his first 
language, and highly probable that this was actually the question "How 
do I automate a Java application using Python?"


I don't have a real answer myself, but maybe using Jython one can get 
access to the Java objects underlying the application (and then, of 
course, execute methods of the GUI objects). This depends on the GUI 
toolkit (Swing/SWT) and knowledge of the applications' structure, of 
course. Another (less robust) way of desktop automation is Sikuli 
http://www.sikuli.org/ (Windows only, I think)


Christian

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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:55:07 PM UTC+12, meInvent bbird wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:52:41 PM UTC+8, Lawrence D’Oliveiro
> wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:13:05 PM UTC+12, meInvent bbird
>> wrote:
>>> how to automate java application in window using python
>>> 
>>> 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
>>> 2. click button
>>> 3. type text in textbox
>> 
>> Well, don’t leave us in suspense! Give us the link to your blog post!
> 
> i do not have blog post, 

Oh, now you make us sad. I thought you were promoting a blog post where you 
tell us “how to automate java application in window using python” using just 3 
steps! But it turns out you have nothing. You are an empty promiser.
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[meInvent bbird]

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 2:26:47 AM UTC+8, bream...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 8:13:05 AM UTC+1, meInvent bbird wrote:
> > how to automate java application in window using python
> > 
> > 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
> > 2. click button
> > 3. type text in textbox
> 
> Please read this http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and then 
> this http://sscce.org/ and then rephrase your post.
> 
> Kindest regards.
> 
> Mark Lawrence.

i find this, but it is not python, it is a product

http://sqa.stackexchange.com/questions/18134/python-based-test-automation-tools-for-desktop-applications
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[meInvent bbird]

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:52:41 PM UTC+8, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:13:05 PM UTC+12, meInvent bbird wrote:
> > how to automate java application in window using python
> > 
> > 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
> > 2. click button
> > 3. type text in textbox
> 
> Well, don’t leave us in suspense! Give us the link to your blog post!

i do not have blog post, 

search nothing about this in google, 

is it possible to automate java application with python?
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[kerbingamer376]

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 8:13:05 AM UTC+1, meInvent bbird wrote:
> how to automate java application in window using python
> 
> 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
> 2. click button
> 3. type text in textbox

wtf?
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Re: how to automate java application in window using python

[Lawrence D’Oliveiro]

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:13:05 PM UTC+12, meInvent bbird wrote:
> how to automate java application in window using python
> 
> 1. scroll up or down of scroll bar
> 2. click button
> 3. type text in textbox

Well, don’t leave us in suspense! Give us the link to your blog post!
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