Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
Hi Gary - great info - thanks - jeff On 3/2/2019 4:34 PM, Gary Bowling wrote: I looked into this at one point. But you can get a VPS at linode for $25/month capable of running a full qmailtoaster. Obviously not powerful enough for a million users, but I have over 1000 spread across 10 or so domains on it with no issues. With AWS, if you get a dedicated IP address you just spent $25/month. Then there are message fees, data fees, compute usage, metrics, etc. etc. All the fees are small, but added up I found it to be more expensive than just running a toaster on linode. There are possibly other vendors too, I'm not doing an advertisement for linode, that's just who I wound up using. Depending on the number of users and traffic, you might be able to get by with an even smaller VPS. I have one for DNS that is only $5/month, 1G ram, 1 CPU, 25G storage. Scale your machine up/down depending on your requirements. Gary On 3/2/2019 2:57 PM, Chris wrote: I've been researching moving my toaster from its current home into AWS, which is why I had those URLs bookmarked. Haven't actually done it yet, so I don't know how AWS deals with complaints. Sorry I can't be more helpful on that front. -Chris On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 8:53 AM Jeff Koch <mailto:jeffk...@intersessions.com>> wrote: Hi Chris - I have heard that AWS is really unforgiving if any spam gets sent out of the mailserver. Have you had experience running a full mailserver on AWS? Despite everything we do to control outgoing spam - including send throttling - our users get hacked and their email credentials get used by spammers. We are able to limit the damage to a minimal amount of spam but nevertheless we get some complaints. Jeff On 3/2/2019 2:27 PM, Chris wrote: AWS has a form where you can request the outbound smtp limitations be removed for a legitimate mail server. Amazon Web Services - MAIL SERVER <https://aws.amazon.com/forms/ec2-email-limit-rdns-request> They also have a form for requesting reverse DNS on your elastic IP so your mail doesn't run afoul of DNS validation. Route 53 Reverse DNS <https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/route-53-reverse-dns/> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:07 AM Eric Broch mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote: I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: > > I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as > you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. > So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server > on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like > that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps > accomplish the same thing another way/ > > Jeff > > > -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com <mailto:qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com> For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com <mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
I looked into this at one point. But you can get a VPS at linode for $25/month capable of running a full qmailtoaster. Obviously not powerful enough for a million users, but I have over 1000 spread across 10 or so domains on it with no issues. With AWS, if you get a dedicated IP address you just spent $25/month. Then there are message fees, data fees, compute usage, metrics, etc. etc. All the fees are small, but added up I found it to be more expensive than just running a toaster on linode. There are possibly other vendors too, I'm not doing an advertisement for linode, that's just who I wound up using. Depending on the number of users and traffic, you might be able to get by with an even smaller VPS. I have one for DNS that is only $5/month, 1G ram, 1 CPU, 25G storage. Scale your machine up/down depending on your requirements. Gary On 3/2/2019 2:57 PM, Chris wrote: I've been researching moving my toaster from its current home into AWS, which is why I had those URLs bookmarked. Haven't actually done it yet, so I don't know how AWS deals with complaints. Sorry I can't be more helpful on that front. -Chris On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 8:53 AM Jeff Koch <jeffk...@intersessions.com> wrote: Hi Chris - I have heard that AWS is really unforgiving if any spam gets sent out of the mailserver. Have you had experience running a full mailserver on AWS? Despite everything we do to control outgoing spam - including send throttling - our users get hacked and their email credentials get used by spammers. We are able to limit the damage to a minimal amount of spam but nevertheless we get some complaints. Jeff On 3/2/2019 2:27 PM, Chris wrote: AWS has a form where you can request the outbound smtp limitations be removed for a legitimate mail server. Amazon Web Services - MAIL SERVER They also have a form for requesting reverse DNS on your elastic IP so your mail doesn't run afoul of DNS validation. Route 53 Reverse DNS On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:07 AM Eric Broch <ebr...@whitehorsetc.com> wrote: I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: > > I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as > you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. > So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server > on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like > that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps > accomplish the same thing another way/ > > Jeff > > > -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
I've been researching moving my toaster from its current home into AWS, which is why I had those URLs bookmarked. Haven't actually done it yet, so I don't know how AWS deals with complaints. Sorry I can't be more helpful on that front. -Chris On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 8:53 AM Jeff Koch wrote: > Hi Chris - I have heard that AWS is really unforgiving if any spam gets > sent out of the mailserver. Have you had experience running a full > mailserver on AWS? > > Despite everything we do to control outgoing spam - including send > throttling - our users get hacked and their email credentials get used by > spammers. We are able to limit the damage to a minimal amount of spam but > nevertheless we get some complaints. > > Jeff > > On 3/2/2019 2:27 PM, Chris wrote: > > AWS has a form where you can request the outbound smtp limitations be > removed for a legitimate mail server. > > Amazon Web Services - MAIL SERVER > <https://aws.amazon.com/forms/ec2-email-limit-rdns-request> > > > They also have a form for requesting reverse DNS on your elastic IP so > your mail doesn't run afoul of DNS validation. > > Route 53 Reverse DNS > <https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/route-53-reverse-dns/> > > > > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:07 AM Eric Broch wrote: > >> I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. >> >> On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: >> > >> > I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as >> > you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. >> > So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server >> > on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like >> > that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps >> > accomplish the same thing another way/ >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > >> -- >> Eric Broch >> White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com >> >> >
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
Also, we're evaluating Google Cloud Platform - seems a bit cheaper than AWS. GCP just plainly states that outgoing port 25 is blocked period. I'm not aware of any forms or options where you can request the block be lifted. Ports 465 and 587 are open so website contact forms and transaction notifications could use smtp auth to get emails out if you have an email account outside of the platform. Jeff On 3/2/2019 2:27 PM, Chris wrote: AWS has a form where you can request the outbound smtp limitations be removed for a legitimate mail server. Amazon Web Services - MAIL SERVER <https://aws.amazon.com/forms/ec2-email-limit-rdns-request> They also have a form for requesting reverse DNS on your elastic IP so your mail doesn't run afoul of DNS validation. Route 53 Reverse DNS <https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/route-53-reverse-dns/> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:07 AM Eric Broch <mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote: I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: > > I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as > you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. > So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server > on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like > that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps > accomplish the same thing another way/ > > Jeff > > > -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com <mailto:qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com> For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com <mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com>
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
Hi Chris - I have heard that AWS is really unforgiving if any spam gets sent out of the mailserver. Have you had experience running a full mailserver on AWS? Despite everything we do to control outgoing spam - including send throttling - our users get hacked and their email credentials get used by spammers. We are able to limit the damage to a minimal amount of spam but nevertheless we get some complaints. Jeff On 3/2/2019 2:27 PM, Chris wrote: AWS has a form where you can request the outbound smtp limitations be removed for a legitimate mail server. Amazon Web Services - MAIL SERVER <https://aws.amazon.com/forms/ec2-email-limit-rdns-request> They also have a form for requesting reverse DNS on your elastic IP so your mail doesn't run afoul of DNS validation. Route 53 Reverse DNS <https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/route-53-reverse-dns/> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:07 AM Eric Broch <mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com>> wrote: I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: > > I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as > you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. > So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server > on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like > that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps > accomplish the same thing another way/ > > Jeff > > > -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com <mailto:qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com> For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com <mailto:qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com>
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
Thanks Carl - I'll give it a try - Jeff On 3/2/2019 2:23 PM, CarlC Internet Services Service Desk wrote: Actually, what you do is set this up on the remote server... You create the SSH tunnel where the remote server [with port 25 open to the world], connected via SSH Tunnel to the remote server [and what port on the remote server you want the tunnel to connect to]... Usually, I use key pairs so I can restart the remote system without requiring a password. I've used it before not only for SMTP but for MySQL/Oracle connections between a DMZ server and in-house MySQL or Oracle server. Carl -Original Message- From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 02:16 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS Carl, how do you incorporate this in qmail? On 3/2/2019 12:04 PM, CarlC Internet Services Service Desk wrote: Jeff [and Eric], Look at SSH port forwarding... I've done this before and it works great... You could do what Eric suggested, start on a different port, then on another server at a more reasonable host provider, forward that port 25 to your AWS instance via SSH. https://www.ssh.com/ssh/tunneling/example Carl -Original Message- From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 01:00 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps accomplish the same thing another way/ Jeff
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
AWS has a form where you can request the outbound smtp limitations be removed for a legitimate mail server. Amazon Web Services - MAIL SERVER <https://aws.amazon.com/forms/ec2-email-limit-rdns-request> They also have a form for requesting reverse DNS on your elastic IP so your mail doesn't run afoul of DNS validation. Route 53 Reverse DNS <https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/route-53-reverse-dns/> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:07 AM Eric Broch wrote: > I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. > > On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: > > > > I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as > > you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. > > So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server > > on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like > > that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps > > accomplish the same thing another way/ > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > -- > Eric Broch > White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > >
RE: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
Actually, what you do is set this up on the remote server... You create the SSH tunnel where the remote server [with port 25 open to the world], connected via SSH Tunnel to the remote server [and what port on the remote server you want the tunnel to connect to]... Usually, I use key pairs so I can restart the remote system without requiring a password. I've used it before not only for SMTP but for MySQL/Oracle connections between a DMZ server and in-house MySQL or Oracle server. Carl -Original Message- From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 02:16 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS Carl, how do you incorporate this in qmail? On 3/2/2019 12:04 PM, CarlC Internet Services Service Desk wrote: > Jeff [and Eric], > > Look at SSH port forwarding... I've done this before and it works great... > You could do what Eric suggested, start on a different port, then on another > server at a more reasonable host provider, forward that port 25 to your AWS > instance via SSH. > > https://www.ssh.com/ssh/tunneling/example > > Carl > > -Original Message- > From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 01:00 PM > To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com > Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS > > I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. > > On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: >> I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as >> you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. >> So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server >> on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like >> that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps >> accomplish the same thing another way/ >> >> Jeff >> >> >> -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
I just did a quick search https://aws.amazon.com/it/about-aws/whats-new/2011/12/13/amazon-simple-email-service-gets-simpler-with-smtp/ > Il giorno 2 mar 2019, alle ore 12:17, r...@mattei.org ha scritto: > > I recall that it was ok to have smtp on aws. > > Make sure your security groups have a rule. > >> Il giorno 2 mar 2019, alle ore 12:04, CarlC Internet Services Service Desk >> ha scritto: >> >> Jeff [and Eric], >> >> Look at SSH port forwarding... I've done this before and it works great... >> You could do what Eric suggested, start on a different port, then on another >> server at a more reasonable host provider, forward that port 25 to your AWS >> instance via SSH. >> >> https://www.ssh.com/ssh/tunneling/example >> >> Carl >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] >> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 01:00 PM >> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com >> Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS >> >> I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. >> >>> On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: >>> >>> I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as >>> you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. >>> So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server >>> on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like >>> that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps >>> accomplish the same thing another way/ >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Eric Broch >> White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com >> > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
I recall that it was ok to have smtp on aws. Make sure your security groups have a rule. > Il giorno 2 mar 2019, alle ore 12:04, CarlC Internet Services Service Desk > ha scritto: > > Jeff [and Eric], > > Look at SSH port forwarding... I've done this before and it works great... > You could do what Eric suggested, start on a different port, then on another > server at a more reasonable host provider, forward that port 25 to your AWS > instance via SSH. > > https://www.ssh.com/ssh/tunneling/example > > Carl > > -Original Message- > From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 01:00 PM > To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com > Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS > > I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. > >> On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: >> >> I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as >> you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. >> So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server >> on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like >> that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps >> accomplish the same thing another way/ >> >> Jeff >> >> >> > -- > Eric Broch > White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
Carl, how do you incorporate this in qmail? On 3/2/2019 12:04 PM, CarlC Internet Services Service Desk wrote: Jeff [and Eric], Look at SSH port forwarding... I've done this before and it works great... You could do what Eric suggested, start on a different port, then on another server at a more reasonable host provider, forward that port 25 to your AWS instance via SSH. https://www.ssh.com/ssh/tunneling/example Carl -Original Message- From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 01:00 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps accomplish the same thing another way/ Jeff -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
Jeff [and Eric], Look at SSH port forwarding... I've done this before and it works great... You could do what Eric suggested, start on a different port, then on another server at a more reasonable host provider, forward that port 25 to your AWS instance via SSH. https://www.ssh.com/ssh/tunneling/example Carl -Original Message- From: Eric Broch [mailto:ebr...@whitehorsetc.com] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 01:00 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: > > I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as > you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. > So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server > on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like > that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps > accomplish the same thing another way/ > > Jeff > > > -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] mailserver on AWS
I'm not sure, maybe start smtp under different port. On 3/1/2019 4:16 PM, Jeff Koch wrote: I'd like to build a qmailtoaster mailserver on an AWS instance but as you probably know AWS pretty much blocks outgoing traffic on port 25. So I'm thinking that I can tunnel outgoing port 25 traffic to a server on a less picky hosting service. Has anyone ever done something like that or have any info on how to set up that kind of tunnel? or perhaps accomplish the same thing another way/ Jeff -- Eric Broch White Horse Technical Consulting (WHTC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com