[QUAD-L] great product.
Inhalation of toxic to carcinogenic components of tobacco smoke, like radon and radium-226, is understood to cause lung cancer. Much of the farmland used to grow tobacco in the United States is contaminated with radioactive material as a result of using phosphate-rich fertilizers. Studies by Winters et al., in the New England Journal of Medicine (1982), found that skeletons of cigarette smokers contained deposits of lead-210 and polonium-210, two isotopes formed by radioactive decay of radium found in the soil where tobacco plants are grown. For many years the tobacco industry presented research of its own in an attempt to counter emerging medical research about the addictive nature and adverse health effects of cigarettes. According to a 1994 prosecution memo written by Congressman Martin Meehan to former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, many of these studies were found to be flawed due to their strong bias and poor methodology. A 2001 peer-reviewed article in the American Journal of Public Health accuses tobacco companies of using front groups and biased studies to downplay the health risks of smoking and secondhand smoke.Great stuff
Re: [QUAD-L] great product.
I get more spam. - Original Message - From: H S Jones To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] great product. Inhalation of toxic to carcinogenic components of tobacco smoke, like radon and radium-226, is understood to cause lung cancer. Much of the farmland used to grow tobacco in the United States is contaminated with radioactive material as a result of using phosphate-rich fertilizers. Studies by Winters et al., in the New England Journal of Medicine (1982), found that skeletons of cigarette smokers contained deposits of lead-210 and polonium-210, two isotopes formed by radioactive decay of radium found in the soil where tobacco plants are grown. For many years the tobacco industry presented research of its own in an attempt to counter emerging medical research about the addictive nature and adverse health effects of cigarettes. According to a 1994 prosecution memo written by Congressman Martin Meehan to former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, many of these studies were found to be flawed due to their strong bias and poor methodology. A 2001 peer-reviewed article in the American Journal of Public Health accuses tobacco companies of using front groups and biased studies to downplay the health risks of smoking and secondhand smoke.Great stuff
[QUAD-L] New to this list.
Hello everyone. I was invited to join this list by a special guy in my life. I am not a quad but he is. He talks about this list all the time. How he has learned so much from you guys. The support you give each other and even the challenges and disagreements that you have. Hopefully I can look to you or your famly members for support too. And answers to all the questions I come up with. Looking forward to making new friends as well. And SiI love you!__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] New to this list.
Welcome Amy! - Original Message - From: Amy Davis To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:12 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] New to this list. Hello everyone. I was invited to join this list by a special guy in my life. I am not a quad but he is. He talks about this list all the time. How he has learned so much from you guys. The support you give each other and even the challenges and disagreements that you have. Hopefully I can look to you or your famly members for support too. And answers to all the questions I come up with. Looking forward to making new friends as well. And SiI love you! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[QUAD-L] New to this list.
Hiya Amy! After you have sober'd up and regained your senses (lol) ask away. You are in for the time of your life. Tell us about your "special guy." We all know that there are also "special gals" out there too. Welcome to the growing ratpack and the livelyest group on this warming planet. Best Wishes W In a message dated 5/31/2006 7:20:20 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello everyone. I was invited to join this list by a special guy in my life. I am not a quad but he is. He talks about this list all the time. How he has learned so much from you guys. The support you give each other and even the challenges and disagreements that you have. Hopefully I can look to you or your famly members for support too. And answers to all the questions I come up with. Looking forward to making new friends as well. And SiI love you!
[QUAD-L] fractured femur
I'm in a brace that locks and I have it pretty snug on my thigh. Ideally, it would be extended straight out all of the time. That's just not practical for me, WC has no foot rest for this and I couldn't get around at all. THere is some bone growth at the tip of the break after 6 wks. Sloow it goes. I'm not transferring into the van seat to drive, that's pretty hard on the leg. No driving is a real PIA.RiverOn May 31, 2006, at 4:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The words after Dana were a mistake , Dragon wrote them.
[QUAD-L] fractured femur
I must have missed that posting River. What happened? Have they consider using am electric stim to promote bone growth, or not. Keep us up, ok W In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:11:03 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm in a brace that locks and I have it pretty snug on my thigh. Ideally, it would be extended straight out all of the time. That's just not practical for me, WC has no foot rest for this and I couldn't get around at all. THere is some bone growth at the tip of the break after 6 wks. Sloow it goes. I'm not transferring into the van seat to drive, that's pretty hard on the leg. No driving is a real PIA. River
Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking
I love u guys... even the silly arguements help remind me to take my meds. I do get mad at what some of you write but then remember that sometimes jokes loose something in writing. i try to consider how much meds y'all must take to develope some of these attitudes. Please don't stop writing them. If theres a group needs to vent, it is us. john In a message dated 5/28/2006 8:32:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this is a free forum why don't we have the right to argue with you, oh I see your special because your a female and your always right. Silas - Original Message - From: ~LittleQuad~ To: RollinOn ; quad-List@eskimo.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking exactly mark isn't this a free forum to bitch and gripe whenever we want? if they dont liie can leave...i come and go all the time when i need a break... besides i told them not to argue with me.RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me but the adults were having a conversationsocould youpleasemake use of the delete button? You don't have to read it or this e-mail for that matter and if you don't like what you're reading So What get over it! It just like you said live and let live but you can't even follow your own advice and have to butt into a conversation you don't like and tell people to shut up and stop whining but that's all I get from the freakin post is Wa Wa Wa! Mark ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05/27/06 16:41:55 To: quad-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking There are a number of things that will kill you, the crap they spray on foods so we don't have to eat bugshit, smoking, drinking, driving, cell phone cancer, living too long. Why the hell would you want to live to 90 where you shit and piss yourself, can't remember your family, and yell at everyone because they don't agree with you? Look at the whiners in THIS group who try to force their ideas of morality on everyone. If the seniors want to smoke and eat themselves to death - SO WHAT? Park out back and drive around them - and mostly shut the hell up - opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. Live and let live, you aren't the boss of EVERYONE you know. Dave In a message dated 5/27/2006 12:26:01 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah but I had to practically die to do it. Some people don't get a second chance but at least they'll finallyquit! You know alcohol is by far a lotworse than smoking it's extremely bad on the liver and has a couple side effectsit ruins families, kills innocent bystanders, years of child abuse and rape, beats it's spouses and does it daily. If I had a choice which to ban it would be alcohol. Mark ---Original Message--- From: ~LittleQuad~ Date: 05/27/06 13:59:09 To: RollinOn; quad-List@eskimo.com; Silas Subject: Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking but you DID mark and so can anyone with willpower! bravo to you!RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to speak for people who smoke because I smoked before my accident. Number one back in the day when smoking was considered cool and high class tobacco co's not farmers told people that smoking was almost good for you and started experimenting with additives to make the body craveit just like alcohol and it worked. Most people that smoke don't even want to anymore and just sayingquit or you're going to die proves how addictive it is and extremely hard if not impossible for a majority of people. It cost a person $1400 a year to smoke at a pack a day and if that isn't reason enough to quit nothing is. I smoked about 3 1/2 years after sci and it still wasn't easy to quit even though it helped give me pneumonia on several occasions. It's terrible to smoke but it isn't easy to quit and I still have cravings to this day and just like an alcoholic I take it day by day. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Silas Date: 05/26/06 18:06:11 To: quad-List@eskimo.com Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking - Original Message - From: Silas To: ~LittleQuad~ Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking Now Now Little Quad, I know smoking is not the right choice, it mite have helped kill my dad. But it was his choice to smoke, just like a lot more things we chose to do to our bodies. Like over eating, drinking alcahol taking drugs just to name a few. We all seem to forget that tobacco made America what it is today, it got the settelers on their feet so they could buy supplies. Im a tobacco farmer and a American, I believe in freedom of choice. I also was a smoker before my accident, but I never smoked in a public place or where I thought it mite bother another person. Its called RESPECT thats what wrong with the world today, the lack of respect! Sorry if this affended anybody, just had to jump in
Re: [QUAD-L] Smoking -and those who DID
I think I have a realistic view of tobacco...it's a curse for stealing the land from the indians. john P.S. there is an actual medicinal value to tobacco? Ina message dated 5/28/2006 8:41:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well said Mark. And you wrote from personal experience. I too once smoked for alot of years. The reasons or excuses are really not important, but we've both learned our lessons. And I sincerely hope... not to late either. Tobacco is used in the farming industry and as medicine. Let's not forget many of the many by-products of tobacco. Let's keep thing in perspective. When I'm driving, I've often smelt the smoke from the cars in front of me while we were sitting at a light. Whew. Now that part is still nasty, lol. W In a message dated 5/27/2006 1:56:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I smoked about 3 1/2 years after sci and it still wasn't easy to quit even though it helped give me pneumonia on several occasions. It's terrible to smoke but it isn't easy to quit and I still have cravings to this day and just like an alcoholic I take it day by day. Mark
Re: [QUAD-L] fractured femur
Well, I was kinda embarassed to mention it since it was only 12 wks ago that I broke my tibia on the left side. Both accidents were due to my German shepard pup (86 lbs 1 yr old) pulling me out of the chair. Did I learn my lesson? yes, I wear my seatbelt ALL OF THE TIME NOW. BTW, he's in SD training too.no mention of the bone growth stimulator yet. Also, the FX was a tiny bit displaced and about 1/8 distance between the bone in the FX, not sure why he never set it it's 2 1/2 inches above my knee.RiverOn May 31, 2006, at 9:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must have missed that posting River. What happened? Have they consider using am electric stim to promote bone growth, or not. Keep us up, ok W In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:11:03 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm in a brace that locks and I have it pretty snug on my thigh. Ideally, it would be extended straight out all of the time. That's just not practical for me, WC has no foot rest for this and I couldn't get around at all. THere is some bone growth at the tip of the break after 6 wks. Sloow it goes. I'm not transferring into the van seat to drive, that's pretty hard on the leg. No driving is a real PIA. River
Re: [QUAD-L] fractured femur
GeeZ Girl, Sorry to heard and read of your incident. In your case, its click it or break it. E-Stims are used for a number of different reasons. In sports medicine they are sometimes used to stim the nerves, muscles and bones to improve, increase the growth process. Other times they are used to stimulate the muscles. This helps a leg in a cast from getting rigid during the time the imobilized leg is in a cast. Return to natural and normal movement is quicken as well. Just thought I'd mention, if your ortho doctor was into sports medicine. Again, Best Wishes W In a message dated 5/31/2006 10:42:58 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I was kinda embarassed to mention it since it was only 12 wks ago that I broke my tibia on the left side. Both accidents were due to my German shepard pup (86 lbs 1 yr old) pulling me out of the chair. Did I learn my lesson? yes, I wear my seatbelt ALL OF THE TIME NOW. BTW, he's in SD training too. no mention of the bone growth stimulator yet. Also, the FX was a tiny bit displaced and about 1/8 distance between the bone in the FX, not sure why he never set it it's 2 1/2 inches above my knee. River
Re: [QUAD-L] Whiners winners.
Thanks John. I actually met to type Flag Day, but my fingers typed Veteran's Day. I'm still trying to figure that one out. Thanks for the info. W In a message dated 5/31/2006 10:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time, DeLiMiTeD4 writes: Memorial day was origuinally decoration day. A day set aside after the civil war to decorate the graves of those who fell in battle. It was a time when cemetaries where tring on a new image as a park like place for folks to commune with nature while showing respect for the dead and departed. After WW1 it was termed memorial dayand moved to the last weekend of May so flowers would be available in most states. Verteran's Day was the 11th day of the 11th month and always will be I suspect. Memorial day we honor those that gave their lives. Veteran's day, we honor all those who have served honorably. Even if you mix them up a little, I think it is ok as long as you do it with dignity. john
[QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking-Frank Discussions
Frank discussions only proves that we are all humans and have the intelligent ability to differ... with class. Back to the meds, lol W In a message dated 5/31/2006 10:15:54 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I love u guys... even the silly arguements help remind me to take my meds. I do get mad at what some of you write but then remember that sometimes jokes loose something in writing. i try to consider how much meds y'all must take to develope some of these attitudes. Please don't stop writing them. If theres a group needs to vent, it is us. john
Re: [QUAD-L] Whiners winners.
Memorial day was origuinally decoration day. A day set aside after the civil war to decorate the graves of those who fell in battle. It was a time when cemetaries where tring on a new image as a park like place for folks to commune with nature while showing respect for the dead and departed. After WW1 it was termed memorial dayand moved to the last weekend of May so flowers would be available in most states. Verteran's Day was the 11th day of the 11th month and always will be I suspect. Memorial day we honor those that gave their lives. Veteran's day, we honor all those who have served honorably. Even if you mix them up a little, I think it is ok as long as you do it with dignity. john In a message dated 5/28/2006 8:50:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whiners can be winners and winners can be whiners. This weekend is the reason that we can do both, whine and win. Its a holiday that used to be known as Veterans Day to honor all those who died while serving in the Military. Later it was changed to Memorial to remember and honor all those before us that have died. Let us not forget those who were and are injured as they were fighting for the same cause. So that if you and I wish to whine, we could. And if we chose the path of winning... we could. May we all never forget the reason for the season, Happy Veterans- Memorial Day! W In a message dated 5/27/2006 4:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Look at the whiners in THIS group who try to force their ideas of morality on everyone. If the seniors want to smoke and eat themselves to death - SO WHAT? Park out back and drive around them - and mostly shut the hell up - opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. Live and let live, you aren't the boss of EVERYONE you know. Dave
Re: [QUAD-L] my flap surgery
try to find a way to sleep a lot. It helps the boredom of being stuck in bed on ur side. I had some luck with large numbers of cheap pillows being placed under me. Small movemts caused me to shift in them and not put pressure on any 1 place to long. If they get soiled,, well, thats why you got the cheap ones. I wish you the very best of luck. john In a message dated 5/28/2006 3:53:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, so I finally decided to go for the flap and it is on Wed. I'm really nervous. The sore is tiny but deep so he is cutting my leg to move the muscle to the sore which is almost to my butt. So I have questions. I didn't realize how much he's going to cut me. He said he is going to cut a v then a straight line towards my knee which is a long cut. I don’t have feeling but I do feel the pain from this sore and I have a bad reaction from morphine through IV so I'm scared of the pain and healing time. The doc says about a month. Have any of you gone through anything similar to this? Also the sore is on my left side and in the past my bowel program only worked on that side. I'm concerned about that as well with all of those staples in my leg. Any advice or information I might be missing out on I would love it. My bday is July 3 and I would love to be healed by then. I am staying in the hospital one to two weeks then coming home. My neighbor who helps me with the waiver is going to make sure I have meals. She only works a minimal amount of time with me but between her and her mom, they are going to make sure I'm taken care of. THANK GOD I DON’T HAVE TO GO TO A REHAB OR NURSING FACILITY. Whenever I go for testing at the hospital the staff is really nice so I hope the nurses are as well. Oh and if you pray I would appreciate them, Stacy
Re: [QUAD-L] New to this list.
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] New to this list. Welcome 2 the family Amy Im Houston C6/C7 complete 8yrs post Im residing in STL currently On 5/31/06 7:12 AM, Amy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone. I was invited to join this list by a special guy in my life. I am not a quad but he is. He talks about this list all the time. How he has learned so much from you guys. The support you give each other and even the challenges and disagreements that you have. Hopefully I can look to you or your famly members for support too. And answers to all the questions I come up with. Looking forward to making new friends as well. And SiI love you! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] abcesses, sores and such...are these preventable?
Kaye, if you listen to a woiund care specialist, all wounds are poreventable. The fact is, most occur in a time span of less than 30 minutes. The next few weeks the dead tissue sloughs away. I've actually had my worst experiences with so called, "specialists". They just wanna help, but they want it done their way because in school thats what they were taught. Nevermind if their way means endless months of bedrest. Mind numbing boredom that leaves the patient ready and fit to live under a suicide watch. This is what cures a sore. "Get off of it as much as possible" If it isn't healing then you're on iut too much. Most medications do virtually nothing if the wound is clean. Do not use heat lamps, use small fans to help dry the wound. scabs are a good thing. I have seen doctors tear scabs open by accident and set the patient back months. Yes it is preventable in most cases. But medicare doesn't pay to prevent them. The average wound costs $35,000 and takes 9 months to heal. Low air loss matteresses have been shown to reduce the occurance of wounds and speed healing by as much as 300%.. Something that no other treatment has ever done. But you can't get one payed for in Ohio without having 2 stage 4 wounds to begin with. Can we please give lawyers that make these rules an infectedstage 4 wound? I'm certain there is a special hell for all the folks that legislate health care.Maybe we could all push for a new law and just outlaw wounds. john. n a message dated 5/29/2006 12:56:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am also praying for you, Stacy!What I'd like to know from you all are- how do these things happen? Is this some freak thing, these deep sores, or are they preventable? It's scary!-kaye
Re: [QUAD-L] abcesses, sores and such...are these preventable?
Have you tried hydrocodone or a specific pain med to reduce the spasms? I don't actually 'feel' the sores I get. My body does, however, and it reacts in awful ways. I'll get headaches, blood pressure goes all over, spasms are wicked, ppl say I look awful(that could just be i'm ugly). Pain meds actually help. I stop incescant sweating, spasms quit, headaches go away, I feel damn near human! john In a message dated 5/29/2006 6:16:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had no idea. I was up so many hours studying for finals and writing papers. There were a few all nighters there. It’s a stressful time during finals. I did do pressure reliefs and changed positions as much as I could. Anyhow when I noticed the sore I got pressure mapped and they decided I needed a new gel overlay for my cushion. Medicare refused it and I live alone. I had to get up. It was healing from the sides but getting deeper. Strange I didn't feel it coming but it hurts like hell now and my spasms are off the rictor . I am maxed out on all spasm meds and they wont consider the pump for at least another 4 months. Stacy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad-List@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] abcesses, sores and such...are these preventable? My doc has no idea how mine started - he said it might be as simple as an ingrown hair. I was trying a new cushion at the time which had some pressure there as I sat down. Within seconds, the pressure sensation faded and I couldn't tell anything. I was also often sitting up around 18 hours on days when I noticed some 'swelling' the next mornings. My bad, I knew better AND I knew more than the doc - surprise surprise. Dave In a message dated 5/28/2006 9:56:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am also praying for you, Stacy!What I'd like to know from you all are- how do these things happen? Is this some freak thing, these deep sores, or are they preventable? It's scary!-kaye Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967
Re: [QUAD-L] About off road wheelchairs
Hi Mark,My new chair is a Q6000 made by Pride. The seat and back are being madeby "Freedom Designs, Inc" in CA. I tried the Q6000 with a ROHO seat but wasn't getting the stability that I wanted. I had to get custom fitted or the new seat and back, so I'm hoping it does the trick! The chair felt good even with the mid-wheel drive. As soon as it gets refitted I send a pic. http://www.freedomdesigns.com/seats.html With Love,CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 30 Years PostTexas, USARollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great Ronald a limited edition no less! I went to myNieces graduation last night and came across a rather steep walkway I'd never try alone but I had plenty people with me so I went up it, it was so steep my front tires never touchedafter I gave it gas so to speak. It was actually quite exciting seeing everyone freak out lol! I came across a chair you might find interesting, it's definitely a street machine and built for comfort but probably the nicest chair I've ever seen. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ctaguirre/album?.dir=/f203.src=""> Mark---Original Message--- From: RONALD L PRACHT Date: 05/19/06 17:42:50 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] About off road wheelchairsHey, The majic mobility x4 and x5 look like pretty tough chairs, but I have a Quickie p-222 special edition chair that I was given at Gateway International Raceway in Illinois and its a damn tough chair as well and parts are easy to attain. After I installed an auto seatbelt, and adjusted the front footplate high enough not to bottom out I take it in some crazy places. The main problem Ive had which is my own fault, is I get flat tires because I didnt request solid tires. I will admit the x5 and maybe the x4 could outdo my p-222 in serious offroading, butI can take my quickie up enough grade in the grass hillsthat I half to lean flat against my kneesto keep the chair on all fours, doesnt bog down a bit. It has five speeds, with torque adjustment knob. I bought a programmer on ebay for 30 and put the chair in the max settings. If I had any more power it would be dangerous. If I put the chair in the fifth speed with max torque and punch it I can ride a long wheelie. The top fuel drag racer that hired Quickie to build about 50 of these chairs is Darryl Gwen. He used to race for the Gwen-Steinbreiner Yankees race team. Hes a quad himself after a serious accident that turned him into a c5 with one arm. He chose one person from each state he races in to receive a p-222 chair. Im not sure how I got picked but a woman called me in 2001 and asked if I want a special power chairI said yesand she told me where to go to receive it. I really didnt believe it all until a Quickie vendor came and measured me and told me I could build the chair anyway I wanted for not a dime. This was luck I guess they picked me, that was a story Ill tell for years to come. Ron c7
Re: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking-Frank Discussions
Your so right, W - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-List@eskimo.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking-Frank Discussions Frank discussions only proves that we are all humans and have the intelligent ability to differ... with class. Back to the meds, lol W In a message dated 5/31/2006 10:15:54 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I love u guys... even the silly arguements help remind me to take my meds. I do get mad at what some of you write but then remember that sometimes jokes loose something in writing. i try to consider how much meds y'all must take to develope some of these attitudes. Please don't stop writing them. If theres a group needs to vent, it is us. john
[QUAD-L] Bag Balm / Broken leg / Smoking / Whiners Winners
I hope everyone has had an enjoyable Memorial Day. I thought that I would take all subjects in one e-mail, so that I did get yelled at too much. First, there is some prevention for a pressure sore. One subject that I have not seen discussed on the quad site recently is Bag Balm. Being almost 40 years post SCI the skin on my bottom is paper thin. I had eight years of constant skin tears and pressure sores. Almost every quad gets some urine leakage at times and this can break down skin quickly. I was in bed waiting more than I was up. I gave up activities and pretty much limited my life my street. Then, I started to use bag balm. I first heard about it from another quad but didn't pay much attention until it was a topic of discussion on the quad site. Well, my life has changed and I have (knock on wood) not had a p….. s….. in the last two years. I have been using bag balm for approximately 6 years and I have had virtually no problems. The problems that do pop up are usually from wetness, or in many cases being outside in the summertime too long. I have my attendants apply bag balm each morning and each evening religiously! I would not do without it. OK, let's move onto that a broken leg. When I first broke my leg in three places from the knee to the ankle, the first reaction of the doctor was to give me the option of having my leg amputated. We could try to heal it, but it probably won't heal. Bull….! I couldn't believe the doctors arrogant attitude. He had treated another quad in the area, but the quad did not take care of himself and lost his leg. I guess because the doctor had very little experience with quads he just assumed we were all the same. We are not. We must learn to know our own bodies and know what our body is capable of doing. This is one thing that I have learned over the years. Read your body and listen to it. If you want to smoke, smoke. Yes, I believe it is harmful, I don't enjoy being around a smoker even though I used to be one, but until it is made illegal don't cram your will down my throat, and don’t give me the bull it is addictive. So is stopping at McDonalds every time I’m out, but I still do it and it shows. I believe that if an establishment chooses to be a smoke environment, so be it, people that don't smoke like myself we go somewhere else. The one thing that I do have a problem with is someone that chooses to smoke and gets an illness from smoking, who pays the bill? The same thing with motorcycle riders in Pennsylvania. A few years ago there was such a big stink about wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle, that the stupid lawmakers repealed the helmet law and motorcycle riders no longer have to wear a helmet. Yes, there are a few cases where a helmet has caused neck injury, but in the overall scheme of things helmets have helped more than they have hindered. As with the smoker and the motorcycle rider, who pays for their long-term injuries and health care. The taxpayer! I guess it is a little too late to comment on the person who is having the flap surgery, but approximately 10 years ago I had a “track” which is a very small opening on the surface but went approximately 3 inches deep. I was a good person, stayed in bed, but it would heal on the surface, I would get out, it would open. I packed it twice a day with, I don't know the spelling, but it was seaweed, and Reaganax. It took two months, but it finally closed to the surface. We needed to keep it from healing at the surface until it was completely healed inside. It took us another two months to realize that packing it after it was so shallow was only keeping it open. We just started to apply the Reganax on to the surface and within two weeks it was healed. I already had flap surgery twice and the doctor really did not went to perform flap surgery again as it can only be done so many times. Maybe I was lucky, maybe I did the right thing. Whiners and winners: I don't know what the original post was concerning the subject, but I think I have just found a popular phrase. It was one of those days and I was feeling sorry for myself, and then I realized I am the reason that I am whining. After 30 years of running my own electronics business I am now semiretired doing volunteer work for the historical society as well as the local church. Everyone thinks that just because you're semiretired you have lots of time. Well I was doing so much that I did not have time to do my own chores and take the time to enjoy myself. I'm going to take my whining and the good Lord willing go back to school, learn additional advanced computer skills and market myself. I have 30 years of experience which is better than four years of college, you just don't have a piece of paper. Later dudes, GA
Re: [QUAD-L] Bag Balm / Broken leg / Smoking / Whiners Winners
Hiya Henry! You found your way back and I'm glad. If you were a singer on American Idol and I was Simon, you'd be the Winner! You got it all together beside being an inspiration to those who truly believe that there is no life after quadrum. Best Wishes W In a message dated 5/31/2006 4:29:23 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whiners and winners: I don't know what the original post was concerning the subject, but I think I have just found a popular phrase. It was one of those days and I was feeling sorry for myself, and then I realized I am the reason that I am whining. After 30 years of running my own electronics business I am now semiretired doing volunteer work for the historical society as well as the local church. Everyone thinks that just because you're semiretired you have lots of time. Well I was doing so much that I did not have time to do my own chores and take the time to enjoy myself. I'm going to take my whining and the good Lord willing go back to school, learn additional advanced computer skills and market myself. I have 30 years of experience which is better than four years of college, you just don't have a piece of paper. Later dudes, GA
[QUAD-L] From the New York Times - Glossing Over Mistreatment in the Magbie Case
Glossing Over Mistreatment in the Magbie CaseBy Colbert I. KingSaturday, April 8, 2006; A23Jonathan Magbie was a 27-year-old man who was paralyzed from the neck down as a result of a childhood accident. Although he had never been convicted of a criminal offense and although he required private nursing care for as much as 20 hours a day, Magbie was given a 10-day sentence in the D.C. jail in September 2004 by D.C. Superior Court Judge Judith E. Retchin for possession of a marijuana cigarette. He died in city custody four days later. His story has been the subject of several previous columns.Earlier this week Edward D. Reiskin, deputy mayor for public safety and justice, provided D.C. Council members David Catania (I-At Large) and Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), chairmen, respectively, of the council's Health and Judiciary committees, with the findings from the D.C. Department of Corrections (DOC) investigation into the care provided Magbie from Sept. 20 to Sept. 24, 2004.Actually, to call the Corrections Department's report an "investigation" is like describing a BB gun as an AK-47. The eight-page document produced by the department's Office of Internal Affairs attempts to explain away a more extensive and highly critical investigation into Magbie's death that D.C. Inspector General Charles J. Willoughby conducted last October. Willoughby's report and the lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and two lawyers on behalf of Magbie's mother, Mary R. Scott, are more credible. They provide real insight into Magbie's neglectful treatment by the criminal justice system.Now to the Department of Corrections "investigation." The findings were dutifully and uncritically transmitted to the council by Reiskin, who, incidentally, complained to lawmakers that "the investigation was hindered by legal advice provided to [the contractor medical staff] by its counsel not to release any information to DOC regarding this issue due to pending litigation."That clampdown on salient information did not, however, stop Corrections from arriving on the scene after Willoughby completed his extensive investigation and producing an Internal Affairs document that exonerates or at least gives a virtuous appearance to many of the actions by staff and employees at the corrections facility where Magbie was confined. But even Corrections couldn't cover all the participants with whitewash.In some cases, Corrections' critical findings were accompanied by recommended disciplinary actions that have all the harshness of a beating with a wet noodle.Internal Affairs found:· There were instances in which Magbie's medical care was not documented. But the nurses culpable in the acts of omission couldn't be identified because the medical contractor, paid by the Corrections Department with D.C. tax dollars, wouldn't give access to the contractor's employees.· The associate medical director of the jail where Magbie was confined knew about Magbie's vulnerable medical condition and that he needed acute care immediately, but failed to notify higher-ups. The associate medical director, the report noted, resigned last October. Undeterred, Corrections bravely directed the medical contractor to "place a letter of reprimand in the doctor's Official Personnel File" and to determine "any other appropriate disciplinary action to be pursued against the doctor."· Correctional and medical staff provided written memos to the Corrections Department director stating that they never saw Magbie's cell door locked while he was in the unit. (It should have remained unlocked, because there was no way that Magbie, a quadriplegic, could reach the emergency button.) Corrections discovered information that contradicted the staff-written memos: Magbie's cell door had in fact been locked, in violation of doctor's orders. For their lying, Corrections fearlessly instructed the warden, disciplinary action was to be taken against the two officers and a disciplinary letter placed in the personnel file of each.· A physician in the Corrections facility housing Magbie told the inspector general that he was unaware of Magbie's return from Greater Southeast Community Hospital, where he had been taken as an emergency patient during his first night in jail. It turns out, the Corrections report noted, that the physician did see Magbie upon his return. That physician, thundered the Corrections report, "will no longer be permitted on DOC premises . . . this action is to take place posthaste."As for the Corrections Department's decision to keep the ventilator-dependent Magbie confined for four days to the Correctional Treatment Facility, where no ventilator or appropriate medical care was available? The "investigation," done by Corrections staff and passed along by Reiskin, gave the rest of the nurses, physicians and staff a pass.Judge Retchin? She was cleared by the Commission on Judicial Disabilities and Tenure.Say this much for ol' D.C., it takes care of its own.If justice is to be had
Re: [QUAD-L] New to this list.
welcome Amy! I'm Amye c-4,5,7 almost 8yrs post... who is the guy???Amy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello everyone. I was invited to join this list by a special guy in my life. I am not a quad but he is. He talks about this list all the time. How he has learned so much from you guys. The support you give each other and even the challenges and disagreements that you have. Hopefully I can look to you or your famly members for support too. And answers to all the questions I come up with. Looking forward to making new friends as well. And SiI love you! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] question
Yeah, and why are american fries called french fries lolWilliam Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably a dumb question, but why is the diameter of a catheter called "french"?
Re: [QUAD-L] anger manegment
Hi Bobbie,Here is a great Site to read about dreams and dreaming. I don't think you need worry about your dreams...you don't sleep walk! http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/dreams/drtond1.html With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 30 Years PostTexas, USA[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I was EXTREMELY angry regarding my quaddrum that whenI got home threw as many objects against the wall thatI could get my paws (hands) on. Then I sobed uncontrably and got myself together before Pete, my husband, got home. Because his Mom has been going through hospital, nursing home, hospital, back home, hospital and back again. She is 82 and is needing Pete, her son, more and more. Maybe I'm angry at her? Last night I murdered a woman, by beating her to death with my bear hands,who stole something from me. This is the second time I've killed someone in my dreams. The person before was Pete, I strangled him and then tossed him out of a second story window. This was years ago. Whats going on? Bobbie
FW: Re: [QUAD-L] anger manegment
Freud called this displacement. You are angry at life, fate, your situation, etc. but those are abstract idieas, that is, you can't reach out and punch them. So you transfer your anger to something you can punch. The result is guilt which further increases your burden. That Freud...what a card! From: David K. Kelmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Quad-List quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] anger manegment Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Hi Bobbie, Here is a great Site to read about dreams and dreaming. I don't think you need worry about your dreams...you don't sleep walk! http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/dreams/drtond1.html With Love, CtrlAltDel aka Dave C4/5 Complete - 30 Years Post Texas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I was EXTREMELY angry regarding my quaddrum that when I got home threw as many objects against the wall that I could get my paws (hands) on. Then I sobed uncontrably and got myself together before Pete, my husband, got home. Because his Mom has been going through hospital, nursing home, hospital, back home, hospital and back again. She is 82 and is needing Pete, her son, more and more. Maybe I'm angry at her? Last night I murdered a woman, by beating her to death with my bear hands, who stole something from me. This is the second time I've killed someone in my dreams. The person before was Pete, I strangled him and then tossed him out of a second story window. This was years ago. Whats going on? Bobbie
Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking
oh sure we dope up before we get online... haha[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I love u guys... even the silly arguements help remind me to take my meds. I do get mad at what some of you write but then remember that sometimes jokes loose something in writing. i try to consider how much meds y'all must take to develope some of these attitudes. Please don't stop writing them. If theres a group needs to vent, it is us.johnIn a message dated 5/28/2006 8:32:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:If this is a free forum why don't we have the right to argue with you, oh I see your special because your a female and your always right. Silas - Original Message - From: ~LittleQuad~ To: RollinOn ; quad-List@eskimo.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smokingexactly mark isn't this a free forum to bitch and gripe whenever we want? if they dont liie can leave...i come and go all the time when i need a break... besides i told them not to argue with me.RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me but the adults were having a conversationsocould youpleasemake use of the delete button? You don't have to read it or this e-mail for that matter and if you don't like what you're reading So What get over it! It just like you said live and let live but you can't even follow your own advice and have to butt into a conversation you don't like and tell people to shut up and stop whining but that's all I get from the freakin post is Wa Wa Wa! Mark---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05/27/06 16:41:55 To: quad-List@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smokingThere are a number of things that will kill you, the crap they spray on foods so we don't have to eat bugshit, smoking, drinking, driving, cell phone cancer, living too long. Why the hell would you want to live to 90 where you shit and piss yourself, can't remember your family, and yell at everyone because they don't agree with you? Look at the whiners in THIS group who try to force their ideas of morality on everyone. If the seniors want to smoke and eat themselves to death - SO WHAT? Park out back and drive around them - and mostly shut the hell up - opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. Live and let live, you aren't the boss of EVERYONE you know. DaveIn a message dated 5/27/2006 12:26:01 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yeah but I had to practically die to do it. Some people don't get a second chance but at least they'll finallyquit!You know alcohol is by far a lotworse than smoking it's extremely bad on the liver and has a couple side effectsit ruins families, kills innocent bystanders, years of child abuse and rape, beats it's spouses and does it daily. If I had a choice which to ban it would be alcohol.Mark---Original Message--- From: ~LittleQuad~ Date: 05/27/06 13:59:09 To: RollinOn; quad-List@eskimo.com; Silas Subject: Re: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking but you DID mark and so can anyone with willpower! bravo to you!RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to speak for people who smoke because I smoked before my accident. Number one back in the day when smoking was considered cool and high class tobacco co's not farmers told people that smoking was almost good for you and started experimenting with additives to make the body craveit just like alcohol and it worked. Most people that smoke don't even want to anymore and just sayingquit or you're going to die proves how addictive it is and extremely hard if not impossible for a majority of people. It cost a person $1400 a year to smoke at a pack a day and if that isn't reason enough to quit nothing is. I smoked about 3 1/2 years after sci and it still wasn't easy to quit even though it helped give me pneumonia on several occasions. It's terrible to smoke but it isn't easy to quit and I still have cravings to this day and just like an alcoholic I take it day by day. Mark---Original Message--- From: Silas Date: 05/26/06 18:06:11 To: quad-List@eskimo.com Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smoking - Original Message - From: Silas To: ~LittleQuad~ Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Handicap Parking-smokingNow Now Little Quad, I know smoking is not the right choice, it mite have helped kill my dad. But it was his choice to smoke, just like a lot more things we chose to do to our bodies. Like over eating, drinking alcahol taking drugs just to name a few. We all seem to forget that tobacco made America what it is today, it got the settelers on their feet so they could buy supplies. Im a tobacco farmer and a American, I believe in freedom of choice. I also was a smoker before my accident, but I never smoked in a public place
