RE: [QUAD-L] after death
Excellent thoughts Stunt! Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:51 PM To: Tim Thompson Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] after death Those are great comments Stunt. We share some similar beliefs here. Quadius On 4/19/07, Quadius HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you had a decent anniversary. Quadius On 4/18/07, Tim Thompson HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After JC taught the civilized world through example on how to live, we've been left to live our lives with freedom of choice. Intervention would prevent that. The night after my accident, 4/19/96, I laid in bed thinking it would be a good time to check out. A voice boomed through my head saying if it had been my time I wouldn't be lying there. Now I personaly don't believe in organized religion, however I do recognize Christian Values. IMHO the far Right fails to live by the example JC gave us. The Big Bangers have to keep inventing new theories to fit their preconcieved notions. In Nature (the physical Universe) one can't create something out of nothing. Period. IMHO The Creator is an Unknown factor, who began by seperating his thoughts into energy and matter. As planned, the creation of a beginning would lead to life, and he created an awful lot of solar systems and galaxies for it to flourish. Since energy can't be destroyed, then it is likely that our life force will continue on in some form, somewhere. However an eternity of singing hymns is probably not what he had in mind ;^) Don't know what the next life has to offer, but not in a hurry to unwrap that surprise. Stunt On 4/15/07, RollinOn HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Ron I've thought about that very thing and I don't know if there's a God out there but if we're his children why doesn't he help us or spank the idiots in charge of this mess. I just try to live a decent life. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \n [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:35 AM To: HYPERLINK mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [QUAD-L] after death Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:32 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/769 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:56 PM
Re: [QUAD-L] after death
I hope you had a decent anniversary. Quadius On 4/18/07, Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After JC taught the civilized world through example on how to live, we've been left to live our lives with freedom of choice. Intervention would prevent that. The night after my accident, 4/19/96, I laid in bed thinking it would be a good time to check out. A voice boomed through my head saying if it had been my time I wouldn't be lying there. Now I personaly don't believe in organized religion, however I do recognize Christian Values. IMHO the far Right fails to live by the example JC gave us. The Big Bangers have to keep inventing new theories to fit their preconcieved notions. In Nature (the physical Universe) one can't create something out of nothing. Period. IMHO The Creator is an Unknown factor, who began by seperating his thoughts into energy and matter. As planned, the creation of a beginning would lead to life, and he created an awful lot of solar systems and galaxies for it to flourish. Since energy can't be destroyed, then it is likely that our life force will continue on in some form, somewhere. However an eternity of singing hymns is probably not what he had in mind ;^) Don't know what the next life has to offer, but not in a hurry to unwrap that surprise. Stunt On 4/15/07, RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Ron I've thought about that very thing and I don't know if there's a God out there but if we're his children why doesn't he help us or spank the idiots in charge of this mess. I just try to live a decent life. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:35 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] after death Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM
Re: [QUAD-L] after death
Those are great comments Stunt. We share some similar beliefs here. Quadius On 4/19/07, Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you had a decent anniversary. Quadius On 4/18/07, Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After JC taught the civilized world through example on how to live, we've been left to live our lives with freedom of choice. Intervention would prevent that. The night after my accident, 4/19/96, I laid in bed thinking it would be a good time to check out. A voice boomed through my head saying if it had been my time I wouldn't be lying there. Now I personaly don't believe in organized religion, however I do recognize Christian Values. IMHO the far Right fails to live by the example JC gave us. The Big Bangers have to keep inventing new theories to fit their preconcieved notions. In Nature (the physical Universe) one can't create something out of nothing. Period. IMHO The Creator is an Unknown factor, who began by seperating his thoughts into energy and matter. As planned, the creation of a beginning would lead to life, and he created an awful lot of solar systems and galaxies for it to flourish. Since energy can't be destroyed, then it is likely that our life force will continue on in some form, somewhere. However an eternity of singing hymns is probably not what he had in mind ;^) Don't know what the next life has to offer, but not in a hurry to unwrap that surprise. Stunt On 4/15/07, RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Ron I've thought about that very thing and I don't know if there's a God out there but if we're his children why doesn't he help us or spank the idiots in charge of this mess. I just try to live a decent life. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:35 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] after death Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM
Re: [QUAD-L] after death
After JC taught the civilized world through example on how to live, we've been left to live our lives with freedom of choice. Intervention would prevent that. The night after my accident, 4/19/96, I laid in bed thinking it would be a good time to check out. A voice boomed through my head saying if it had been my time I wouldn't be lying there. Now I personaly don't believe in organized religion, however I do recognize Christian Values. IMHO the far Right fails to live by the example JC gave us. The Big Bangers have to keep inventing new theories to fit their preconcieved notions. In Nature (the physical Universe) one can't create something out of nothing. Period. IMHO The Creator is an Unknown factor, who began by seperating his thoughts into energy and matter. As planned, the creation of a beginning would lead to life, and he created an awful lot of solar systems and galaxies for it to flourish. Since energy can't be destroyed, then it is likely that our life force will continue on in some form, somewhere. However an eternity of singing hymns is probably not what he had in mind ;^) Don't know what the next life has to offer, but not in a hurry to unwrap that surprise. Stunt On 4/15/07, RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Ron I've thought about that very thing and I don't know if there's a God out there but if we're his children why doesn't he help us or spank the idiots in charge of this mess. I just try to live a decent life. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:35 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] after death Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
Your problem is obvious. You don't hate the right people. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] After death Angie, What about those of us who weren't in an accident, but because of an unforeseen or unpreventable illness, became paralyzed in a matter of minutes?? I know I had anything to do with it, this is not be what I would've chosen. Naomi C-4 quad since July 2, 2005 Transverse Myelitis See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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You might want to remember that if most of that list ever said they didn't believe they would have been tortured and burned at the stake. Einstien said that where he grew up it was important not to offend people so he often tempered his public statements for fear of controversy. Isaac Newton was so afraid of public arguements that when critisized he often wouldn't attend public functions for years. john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [QUAD-L] after death Mike, very interesting post... good work Mike Murach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. SMART SCIENTIFIC PEOPLE BELIEVE TOO… Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible. 2. Sir Fancis Bacon (1561-1627) Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity. (Of Atheism) 3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled! 4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one proof based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the trial and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. 5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650) Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous I think therefore I am. Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching
RE: [QUAD-L] After death
LOL. That's what worries me about hell, just think of who's there that I'm going to spend eternity with. Silas From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:25 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] After death There better be a Heaven and a Hell. If I end up sitting beside Hitler, I'm going to be really pissed. Dave In a message dated 4/15/2007 10:16:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL! I don't believe in Hell either or Heaven for that matter. I'm hoping the hereafter is entering another plane, another dimention. Our bodies are made up of energy and energy is never destroyed it just move to a different dimention. I'm hoping I'll be united with those loved ones that have passed on. Dan V At 09:34 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Angie Novak said something that elicited my response: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http:/autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc= X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM- cars at Yahoo! Autos. Dave Visit My Home Page http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/index.html _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
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Did you notice that the latest scientist on this list died in 1955? You realize how far science has come since then, that’s almost like a cave man to todays scientist. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: Dan T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:09 PM To: Mike Murach; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Re: [QUAD-L] after death Mike, very interesting post... good work Mike Murach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. SMART SCIENTIFIC PEOPLE BELIEVE TOO… Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible. 2. Sir Fancis Bacon (1561-1627) Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity. (HYPERLINK http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/ofatheism.phpOf Atheism) 3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled! 4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one proof based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the trial and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. 5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650) Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous I think therefore I am. Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout
RE: [QUAD-L] After death
Yea but we’ll have the best band! Wasn’t Hitler a Christian? Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: Silas Shelburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] After death LOL. That’s what worries me about hell, just think of who’s there that I’m going to spend eternity with. Silas From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:25 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] After death There better be a Heaven and a Hell. If I end up sitting beside Hitler, I'm going to be really pissed. Dave In a message dated 4/15/2007 10:16:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL! I don't believe in Hell either or Heaven for that matter. I'm hoping the hereafter is entering another plane, another dimention. Our bodies are made up of energy and energy is never destroyed it just move to a different dimention. I'm hoping I'll be united with those loved ones that have passed on. Dan V At 09:34 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Angie Novak said something that elicited my response: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out HYPERLINK http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http:/autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc= X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Dave HYPERLINK http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/index.htmlVisit My Home Page _ See what's free at HYPERLINK http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503; \nAOL.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
Your paperwork probably got lost, too. I don't think, and would certainly never want to imply, that an accident resulting in a SCI is anyway more significant than paralysis as the result of an illness. Paralysis is paralysis, and I hope I didn't make you think that I hold how it happens in any kind of ranking order. I don't think that, never have, and never will. -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angie, What about those of us who weren't in an accident, but because of an unforeseen or unpreventable illness, became paralyzed in a matter of minutes?? I know I had anything to do with it, this is not be what I would've chosen. Naomi C-4 quad since July 2, 2005 Transverse Myelitis - See what's free at AOL.com. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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At least they'll be up for anything!! (Still don't believe there is a hell or
heaven, just the other side.)
-Angie
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eternity with.
Silas
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:25 PM
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There better be a Heaven and a Hell. If I end up sitting beside
Hitler, I'm going to be really pissed.
Dave
In a message dated 4/15/2007 10:16:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LOL! I don't believe in Hell either or Heaven for that matter. I'm hoping
the hereafter is entering another plane, another dimention. Our bodies are made
up of energy and energy is never destroyed it just move to a different
dimention. I'm hoping I'll be united with those loved ones that have passed on.
Dan V
At 09:34 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Angie Novak said something that elicited my
response:
I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have
the best parties!!
-Angie
Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy
and besides that where all my friends are :)
Dan V
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That's Rabbi Kushner, I think. If I remember right, he said God was there to sustain us when we call upon him, not to do favors or answer requests. God's will is fiction -- life is indeed a crapshoot. From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] After death Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:50:11 -0400 I once read a book titled 'Why do bad things happen to good people'. It was written by a Religious leader a Rabbi, Priest or whatever. The gist of it was that God put us here and that was that. He did not believe in Divine intervention. Much like your post Amy. One of my mottos is 'Life is a crap shoot'. You get what you get - deal with it. I have to laugh when people attribute everything to God. 'A tornado was coming and we took refuge in our church. All the other buildings around us were destroyed but not our church! That's because God protected us.' This same type of thinking happens when the church was demolished by the tornado and everyone inside was killed. 'It's all part of God's plan. We don't understand it but we're sure He has a reason for this'. Prayer may comfort you but IMHO it won't affect the outcome - nor should it. Dan V At 06:07 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Amy Davis said something that elicited my response: Everyone has their own opinion on this, I am sure. So here is mine. I have NO IDEA! I know there have been times in my life when it has been influenced by a guidiance or spirit or GOD. I think all religion have the same basic principle. Believe in a higher power. Be good to one another. Basically be nice! I know when bad things happen everyone says why did God let it happen. And that things, like becoming a quad, happen for a reason. I kind of think that is bull. I think accidents happen to good or bad people. It is how you deal with the situation that makes it ok or hell to deal with. You can become a quad and sit and dwell and get pissed at the world or feel sorry for yourself. I know everyone has these feelings sometimes. But you can also use your experiences to make a difference for someone else. Life does not always come out like we plan. But it is like going on a trip. The fun part...the most exciting parts are the ones that were not planned. Like getting lost or finding a neat place that you did not know existed along the road. If everything went as planned it would be kind of boring to know what was coming next every single second of our lives. The good parts are the parts that we did not even know was coming. I am not sure what exist in the afterlife..but I know there is no harm in being a good person. If there is a God...I know that he does have a sense of humor. And I am sure we keep him entertained here. And a lot of the times I am sure he is shaking his head and wondering how we do the things we do to each other. Ok..I have rambled on and still have not figured out if there is an afterlife or not. I know that I intend to make the best of this life. The restwell, I will find out when I go down that road too. Amy andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
Everyone has their own opinion on this, I am sure. So here is mine. I have NO IDEA! I know there have been times in my life when it has been influenced by a guidiance or spirit or GOD. I think all religion have the same basic principle. Believe in a higher power. Be good to one another. Basically be nice! I know when bad things happen everyone says why did God let it happen. And that things, like becoming a quad, happen for a reason. I kind of think that is bull. I think accidents happen to good or bad people. It is how you deal with the situation that makes it ok or hell to deal with. You can become a quad and sit and dwell and get pissed at the world or feel sorry for yourself. I know everyone has these feelings sometimes. But you can also use your experiences to make a difference for someone else. Life does not always come out like we plan. But it is like going on a trip. The fun part...the most exciting parts are the ones that were not planned. Like getting lost or finding a neat place that you did not know existed along the road. If everything went as planned it would be kind of boring to know what was coming next every single second of our lives. The good parts are the parts that we did not even know was coming. I am not sure what exist in the afterlife..but I know there is no harm in being a good person. If there is a God...I know that he does have a sense of humor. And I am sure we keep him entertained here. And a lot of the times I am sure he is shaking his head and wondering how we do the things we do to each other. Ok..I have rambled on and still have not figured out if there is an afterlife or not. I know that I intend to make the best of this life. The restwell, I will find out when I go down that road too. Amy andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES, Thank God that I almost died, I wouldn't be graduating next month. I whouldn't be giving motivational speeches, I wouldn't be helping people, Wheelchair Warrior Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2007, at 3:39 PM, kaye allard wrote: LOL Angie! I believe that is what is considered as properly assuming the correct karma. Speaking of extremism, or, life and death with a religious and nonsensical perspective, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
FW: Re: [QUAD-L] After death
Voltaire said: If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. How true. From: Amy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] After death Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Everyone has their own opinion on this, I am sure. So here is mine. I have NO IDEA! I know there have been times in my life when it has been influenced by a guidiance or spirit or GOD. I think all religion have the same basic principle. Believe in a higher power. Be good to one another. Basically be nice! I know when bad things happen everyone says why did God let it happen. And that things, like becoming a quad, happen for a reason. I kind of think that is bull. I think accidents happen to good or bad people. It is how you deal with the situation that makes it ok or hell to deal with. You can become a quad and sit and dwell and get pissed at the world or feel sorry for yourself. I know everyone has these feelings sometimes. But you can also use your experiences to make a difference for someone else. Life does not always come out like we plan. But it is like going on a trip. The fun part...the most exciting parts are the ones that were not planned. Like getting lost or finding a neat place that you did not know existed along the road. If everything went as planned it would be kind of boring to know what was coming next every single second of our lives. The good parts are the parts that we did not even know was coming. I am not sure what exist in the afterlife..but I know there is no harm in being a good person. If there is a God...I know that he does have a sense of humor. And I am sure we keep him entertained here. And a lot of the times I am sure he is shaking his head and wondering how we do the things we do to each other. Ok..I have rambled on and still have not figured out if there is an afterlife or not. I know that I intend to make the best of this life. The restwell, I will find out when I go down that road too. Amy andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES, Thank God that I almost died, I wouldn't be graduating next month. I whouldn't be giving motivational speeches, I wouldn't be helping people, Wheelchair Warrior Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2007, at 3:39 PM, kaye allard wrote: LOL Angie! I believe that is what is considered as properly assuming the correct karma. Speaking of extremism, or, life and death with a religious and nonsensical perspective, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[QUAD-L] After death
Funny, but if there was no Hell, then there is no down. The is no Yang. There would be no out. I'm think there is a Hell. Otherwise, where would the bad people go. W In a message dated 4/15/2007 11:34:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
I once read a book titled 'Why do bad things happen to good people'. It was written by a Religious leader a Rabbi, Priest or whatever. The gist of it was that God put us here and that was that. He did not believe in Divine intervention. Much like your post Amy. One of my mottos is 'Life is a crap shoot'. You get what you get - deal with it. I have to laugh when people attribute everything to God. 'A tornado was coming and we took refuge in our church. All the other buildings around us were destroyed but not our church! That's because God protected us.' This same type of thinking happens when the church was demolished by the tornado and everyone inside was killed. 'It's all part of God's plan. We don't understand it but we're sure He has a reason for this'. Prayer may comfort you but IMHO it won't affect the outcome - nor should it. Dan V At 06:07 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Amy Davis said something that elicited my response: Everyone has their own opinion on this, I am sure. So here is mine. I have NO IDEA! I know there have been times in my life when it has been influenced by a guidiance or spirit or GOD. I think all religion have the same basic principle. Believe in a higher power. Be good to one another. Basically be nice! I know when bad things happen everyone says why did God let it happen. And that things, like becoming a quad, happen for a reason. I kind of think that is bull. I think accidents happen to good or bad people. It is how you deal with the situation that makes it ok or hell to deal with. You can become a quad and sit and dwell and get pissed at the world or feel sorry for yourself. I know everyone has these feelings sometimes. But you can also use your experiences to make a difference for someone else. Life does not always come out like we plan. But it is like going on a trip. The fun part...the most exciting parts are the ones that were not planned. Like getting lost or finding a neat place that you did not know existed along the road. If everything went as planned it would be kind of boring to know what was coming next every single second of our lives. The good parts are the parts that we did not even know was coming. I am not sure what exist in the afterlife..but I know there is no harm in being a good person. If there is a God...I know that he does have a sense of humor. And I am sure we keep him entertained here. And a lot of the times I am sure he is shaking his head and wondering how we do the things we do to each other. Ok..I have rambled on and still have not figured out if there is an afterlife or not. I know that I intend to make the best of this life. The restwell, I will find out when I go down that road too. Amy andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
LOL! I don't believe in Hell either or Heaven for that matter. I'm hoping the hereafter is entering another plane, another dimention. Our bodies are made up of energy and energy is never destroyed it just move to a different dimention. I'm hoping I'll be united with those loved ones that have passed on. Dan V At 09:34 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Angie Novak said something that elicited my response: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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What constitutes bad? Ok, Hitler was a bad person and Mother Theresa was a good person, but most people fall somewhere in between those two. Where is the line drawn to separate the good and bad people? Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:43 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] After death Funny, but if there was no Hell, then there is no down. The is no Yang. There would be no out. I'm think there is a Hell. Otherwise, where would the bad people go. W In a message dated 4/15/2007 11:34:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
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People know in their hearts what is good or evil.I'm not here to argue for gods existance, but just think if humankind followed only the basic beliefs of the 10 commandments.we would not even need a single jail, sadly that is not the case though. Steve Oldaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What constitutes bad? Ok, Hitler was a bad person and Mother Theresa was a good person, but most people fall somewhere in between those two. Where is the line drawn to separate the good and bad people? Steve - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:43 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] After death Funny, but if there was no Hell, then there is no down. The is no Yang. There would be no out. I'm think there is a Hell. Otherwise, where would the bad people go. W In a message dated 4/15/2007 11:34:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V - See what's free at AOL.com.
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On Apr 15, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Steve Oldaker wrote: What constitutes bad? General list of sins in accordance with the Bible: Anger Evil thoughts Arguing Foolishness Bitterness Fornication Blasphemy Gossip Breaking promises Hypocrisy Not believing in Jesus Failing to pray for someone Complaining Adultery Deceit Lying Disobedience to parents Lust Doubt Pride Envy Unforgiveness Evil speaking Watching bad things
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You forgot gluttony. God hates fat people - they are going straight to Hell. Dan V At 03:52 PM 4/15/2007 -0400, Jessica Ann Gordon said something that elicited my response: On Apr 15, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Steve Oldaker wrote: What constitutes bad? General list of sins in accordance with the Bible: Anger Evil thoughts Arguing Foolishness Bitterness Fornication Blasphemy Gossip Breaking promises Hypocrisy Not believing in Jesus Failing to pray for someone Complaining Adultery Deceit Lying Disobedience to parents Lust Doubt Pride Envy Unforgiveness Evil speaking Watching bad things
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Otherwise, where would the bad people go. Somewhere in Northern Indiana I believe.!!! Dave In a message dated 4/15/2007 9:43:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny, but if there was no Hell, then there is no down. The is no Yang. There would be no out. I'm think there is a Hell. Otherwise, where would the bad people go. W In a message dated 4/15/2007 11:34:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V See what's free at _AOL.com_ (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503) . Dave _Visit My Home Page_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/index.html) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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There better be a Heaven and a Hell. If I end up sitting beside Hitler, I'm going to be really pissed. Dave In a message dated 4/15/2007 10:16:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL! I don't believe in Hell either or Heaven for that matter. I'm hoping the hereafter is entering another plane, another dimention. Our bodies are made up of energy and energy is never destroyed it just move to a different dimention. I'm hoping I'll be united with those loved ones that have passed on. Dan V At 09:34 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Angie Novak said something that elicited my response: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out _new cars at Yahoo! Autos._ (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNt YWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-) Dave _Visit My Home Page_ (http://www.users.qwest.net/~daveoc/index.html) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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I think things don't happen FOR a reason. I think things have been BECAUSE OF a reason. Like how my SCI happened. The man driving wasn't paying attention to his turn signal, or watching the road. That's why it happened. No divine plan, I think. Just my opinion. -Angie Amy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Everyone has their own opinion on this, I am sure. So here is mine. I have NO IDEA! I know there have been times in my life when it has been influenced by a guidiance or spirit or GOD. I think all religion have the same basic principle. Believe in a higher power. Be good to one another. Basically be nice! I know when bad things happen everyone says why did God let it happen. And that things, like becoming a quad, happen for a reason. I kind of think that is bull. I think accidents happen to good or bad people. It is how you deal with the situation that makes it ok or hell to deal with. You can become a quad and sit and dwell and get pissed at the world or feel sorry for yourself. I know everyone has these feelings sometimes. But you can also use your experiences to make a difference for someone else. Life does not always come out like we plan. But it is like going on a trip. The fun part...the most exciting parts are the ones that were not planned. Like getting lost or finding a neat place that you did not know existed along the road. If everything went as planned it would be kind of boring to know what was coming next every single second of our lives. The good parts are the parts that we did not even know was coming. I am not sure what exist in the afterlife..but I know there is no harm in being a good person. If there is a God...I know that he does have a sense of humor. And I am sure we keep him entertained here. And a lot of the times I am sure he is shaking his head and wondering how we do the things we do to each other. Ok..I have rambled on and still have not figured out if there is an afterlife or not. I know that I intend to make the best of this life. The restwell, I will find out when I go down that road too. Amy andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES, Thank God that I almost died, I wouldn't be graduating next month. I whouldn't be giving motivational speeches, I wouldn't be helping people, Wheelchair Warrior Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2007, at 3:39 PM, kaye allard wrote: LOL Angie! I believe that is what is considered as properly assuming the correct karma. Speaking of extremism, or, life and death with a religious and nonsensical perspective, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [QUAD-L] After death
That's a major thing with religion, right? Fear of where you'll be going from how you lived your life after you die. It's a way to keep people in line, although not everyone follows that line. The bad people. I think everyone goes to the same place, what happens there happens. -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, but if there was no Hell, then there is no down. The is no Yang. There would be no out. I'm think there is a Hell. Otherwise, where would the bad people go. W In a message dated 4/15/2007 11:34:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V - See what's free at AOL.com. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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That's a major thing with religion, right? Fear of where you'll be going from how you lived your life after you die. It's a way to keep people in line, although not everyone follows that line. The bad people. I think everyone goes to the same place, what happens there happens. -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, but if there was no Hell, then there is no down. The is no Yang. There would be no out. I'm think there is a Hell. Otherwise, where would the bad people go. W In a message dated 4/15/2007 11:34:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't believe there's a hell, (besides here at times), but I hear they have the best parties!! -Angie Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V - See what's free at AOL.com. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[QUAD-L] After death-transition
In a message dated 4/15/2007 3:50:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think everyone goes to the same place, what happens there happens. -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, but if there was no Hell, then there is no down. The is no Yang. There would be no out. I'm think there is a Hell. Otherwise, where would the bad people go. W You think. I think. We all think. The is the power of natural law. Freedom to think. Some of us, stink at think. While other think of stinking. I never get those two right I stink. Er Ooops Think. W ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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I like Einstein saying that God does not play with dice. This meaning everything has a formula, each more beautiful than the others. We are the garden, where God is the Gardener. The plants are in His image. If going through this wheelchair business cultivates me closer to His image, then it must. True or not to others, I know that just thinking this stuff is injury related. In my years I have seen and met the kindness of people not experienced previously. Much more work to be done here, I am surely in progress but I know years ahead of time. Sour grapes or truth? This question makes more since to me opposed to, why me. Merrill _ From: Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:50 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] After death I once read a book titled 'Why do bad things happen to good people'. It was written by a Religious leader a Rabbi, Priest or whatever. The gist of it was that God put us here and that was that. He did not believe in Divine intervention. Much like your post Amy. One of my mottos is 'Life is a crap shoot'. You get what you get - deal with it. I have to laugh when people attribute everything to God. 'A tornado was coming and we took refuge in our church. All the other buildings around us were destroyed but not our church! That's because God protected us.' This same type of thinking happens when the church was demolished by the tornado and everyone inside was killed. 'It's all part of God's plan. We don't understand it but we're sure He has a reason for this'. Prayer may comfort you but IMHO it won't affect the outcome - nor should it. Dan V At 06:07 AM 4/15/2007 -0700, Amy Davis said something that elicited my response: Everyone has their own opinion on this, I am sure. So here is mine. I have NO IDEA! I know there have been times in my life when it has been influenced by a guidiance or spirit or GOD. I think all religion have the same basic principle. Believe in a higher power. Be good to one another. Basically be nice! I know when bad things happen everyone says why did God let it happen. And that things, like becoming a quad, happen for a reason. I kind of think that is bull. I think accidents happen to good or bad people. It is how you deal with the situation that makes it ok or hell to deal with. You can become a quad and sit and dwell and get pissed at the world or feel sorry for yourself. I know everyone has these feelings sometimes. But you can also use your experiences to make a difference for someone else. Life does not always come out like we plan. But it is like going on a trip. The fun part...the most exciting parts are the ones that were not planned. Like getting lost or finding a neat place that you did not know existed along the road. If everything went as planned it would be kind of boring to know what was coming next every single second of our lives. The good parts are the parts that we did not even know was coming. I am not sure what exist in the afterlife..but I know there is no harm in being a good person. If there is a God...I know that he does have a sense of humor. And I am sure we keep him entertained here. And a lot of the times I am sure he is shaking his head and wondering how we do the things we do to each other. Ok..I have rambled on and still have not figured out if there is an afterlife or not. I know that I intend to make the best of this life. The restwell, I will find out when I go down that road too. Amy andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http:/autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc= X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM- cars at Yahoo! Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http:/autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc= X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM- cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Yes Ron I’ve thought about that very thing and I don’t know if there’s a God out there but if we’re his children why doesn’t he help us or spank the idiots in charge of this mess. I just try to live a decent life. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:35 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] after death Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM
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Everyone has different experiences. When I nearly drowned at the time of my SCI, I was under water for probably three minutes at least. Years of swimming lessons had taught me not to panic if I have a problem in the water, so I didn't. When I realized I wasn't going to be able to surface because I couldn't move, I started saying my goodbyes, and trying not to inhale water. Eventually, I blacked out. I saw no angels, or demons, or anything, but I don't claim that doesn't mean there's life after death - I don't know. I do know there can be hell on earth, and central pain syndrome is one example. :( Alan -- --- Posted by alanh77[at]comcast.net using MR/2 ICE Newsreader #564 Proudly using eComstation 1.21 (OEM OS/2) BBS - The Nerve Center Telnet FidoNet 261/1000 tncbbs.no-ip.com ---
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In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:41:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What constitutes bad? Ok, Hitler was a bad person and Mother Theresa was a good person, but most people fall somewhere in between those two. Where is the line drawn to separate the good and bad people? There is a true standard, its called Natural Order. Its been called a number of things... by a number of people. People know the difference between between right and wrong, good and bad, moral and unmoral. w ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Angie, What about those of us who weren't in an accident, but because of an unforeseen or unpreventable illness, became paralyzed in a matter of minutes?? I know I had anything to do with it, this is not be what I would've chosen. Naomi C-4 quad since July 2, 2005 Transverse Myelitis ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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It was a Jewish Rabbi. That book is used by and suggested for those who counsel others in time of supportive need. Good reading too! W In a message dated 4/15/2007 11:51:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I once read a book titled 'Why do bad things happen to good people'. It was written by a Religious leader a Rabbi, Priest or whatever. The gist of it was that God put us here and that was that. He did not believe in Divine intervention. Much like your post Amy. One of my mottos is 'Life is a crap shoot'. You get what you get - deal with it. I have to laugh when people attribute everything to God. 'A tornado was coming and we took refuge in our church. All the other buildings around us were destroyed but not our church! That's because God protected us.' This same type of thinking happens when the church was demolished by the tornado and everyone inside was killed. 'It's all part of God's plan. We don't understand it but we're sure He has a reason for this'. Prayer may comfort you but IMHO it won't affect the outcome - nor should it. Dan V ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Mike, very interesting post... good work Mike Murach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. SMART SCIENTIFIC PEOPLE BELIEVE TOO Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible. 2. Sir Fancis Bacon (1561-1627) Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth mans mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity. (Of Atheism) 3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled! 4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one proof based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the trial and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. 5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650) Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous I think therefore I am. Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era. 6. Isaac Newton (1642-1727) In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from
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I personally believe there is some sort of life after death but if there isn't it won't be such a big deal because you will be gone, you won't be able to say that you wasted so much time with religion etc. you won't exist anymore. Theo _ From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [QUAD-L] after death Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post
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Much of what happens, depends on what and how you lead your life. However, its all theory. I haven't talked with too many people who have passed and came back and said, I like the other side better. Religion varies, life experiences and practices are still another thing. In the end, I hope you go where I go and we still remember each other.. W In a message dated 4/14/2007 12:35:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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On Apr 14, 2007, at 1:35 AM, RONALD L PRACHT wrote: Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. i have! i have! if you're into this school of thought or curious to learn more, a good book to read is The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0618680004/ref=wl_it_dp/ 002-0309106-2646441?ie=UTF8coliid=I2S8BVI3S5B413colid=303NWLTV5ZI8F). =jessica
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There are Very many doctors and scientists that do believe in God...as well as many that don't. If there is nothing besides a dirt nap and no God...Then why don't we just all nuke each other and get it over with? If people really believe like you guy's are saying and there is NO God or NO Purpose-why not just commit SUICIDE ??? NOTHING matters right??? Alsojust another point I'd like to make,,, I as well as others, including fellow Quads have had out of body experiences, that alone shows me there is more to us than this physical Earth Body. I'm just stating my opinions and not trying to argue because everyone born has questioned... Is there a GOD or Not -- Why am I here--- Where Did we come from and where are we going.The hunger for knowledge and love is instilled within us all. Dan H. Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2007, at 1:35 AM, RONALD L PRACHT wrote: Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. i have! i have! if you're into this school of thought or curious to learn more, a good book to read is The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0618680004/ref=wl_it_dp/002-0309106-2646441?ie=UTF8coliid=I2S8BVI3S5B413colid=303NWLTV5ZI8F). =jessica
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I really don't know about everyone but, I believe there is live after death. I died and came back. Here is my story. Wheelchair Warrior My Near Death Experience One day I was fine and the next day I could not breathe. I was so scared and at the same time it was so peaceful. My mother was with me in the intensive care. She looked kind of funny for she was wearing those green gowns. As I looked up at her I know at that very moment I was going to die and said: Mom Im dying. All of a sudden everything went black. Then I was surrounded by Angles. The room became a beautiful golden light. I heard sounds of wind chimes and Angels were taking me up into the light. I turn and saw so many doctors working on me. They were racing around and putting a tube down my throat. One of the doctors garbed a long suction cup that is attached to a machine and places it again my chest. The other doctor said: clear and my body jump up from the bed. They were using the electricity paddle over and over, but the doctors couldnt get my heart started. Each time they used the paddles my body arch up and full to the bed, but I wanted to go with the Angels. All at once I was by a river. It was beautiful on the other side it was like looking into the Garden of Eden. I saw a man surrounded by a golden light. He held out his arms and said: If it is to pain full come across. It was JUSES! Oh how I wanted to go to him. I turn my head, and saw the doctors still working to save my life. I looked at Jesus he told me that he had so much more for me to do on earth. I was asked if you can not take the pain just cross the river! I said: Yes I could take the pain. All at once I want back into my body and was in a coma. Later I found out I was dead for five minutes. The doctor told my family that I was in Gods hands. The only thing to do was to pray. After three weeks I woke up from the coma. A nurse was standing beside me. I ask her is it time to wake up. She jumped back like she heard the voice of God. That is when she ran to get the doctor, I was upset because I wanted to go back to see Jesus! When the doctor came in he to was surprised to see me awake. He told me I was in a coma for three weeks and he didnt know if I would have came out of it. There was a lot of people praying for you young lady. Doctor David Smith only had one arm. He knows what he was doing. God Bless Him. I wanted to add to this story that I know God has used me in so many ways. I know that the Lord is with me everyday of my life. Even though sometimes I just want to be in that heavenly place, and feel that inner peace. I know that it is not my decision to make, it is the Lords Note: forwarded message attached. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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If I had an out of body experience, I don't remember it. I wouldn't doubt it, though. I did die many times. I remember hearing a voice when I was in the ICU asking me, Do you want to stay or go? I don't think I was informed by this voice of what my life would be, (although I do enjoy all that I can every day, despite being trapped in my body and behind my eyes), and I replied, (all this happened in my mind, and I saw nothing), No, my family would miss me too much. This was during a time when I was coding every five minutes, literally. After that, I don't think I was as unstable. Had I known what my life would be, I still would have stayed. My family would have missed me too much, it would have torn them apart. Just as it would have if what happened to me had happened to my sister. Which I am extremely happy that it didn't. She wasn't there, but I'm just saying. I've thought about it many, many times over the years since my injury, and out of all of my family, immediate and extended, I'm glad I'm the one. You have to be tough to be like this, as I'm sure everyone here knows. I don't think any of them could handle it. It would be worse for them, that's why I'm glad it was me, if it was going to happen to any of us. I fully believe there's existence after each life, and that we're reincarnated after a time, and that we get to decide when to come back. I don't believe in the Christian beliefs. Not any more. Had I not been injured, I would have come to that conclusion for myself anyway. I first questioned it when I was seven. I think the voice was from a guide. Not from an angel. I don't buy into angels. I'm looking forward to my next life. And you can be damn sure that I'm requesting, STRONGLY, (if possible), to not have any physical disabilities or life-changing traumas in the next one. I.e. I'll be checking the box under NO next to, spinal cord injury. I don't think I checked the YES box next to that before I was born into this body and life, though. I think somebody lost my paperwork! Here's hoping that person got fired. LMAO! - Angelique Novak - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Amen Angie! I'm checking the NO on that disabled list too ! ;-)Dan H. Angie Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had an out of body experience, I don't remember it. I wouldn't doubt it, though. I did die many times. I remember hearing a voice when I was in the ICU asking me, Do you want to stay or go? I don't think I was informed by this voice of what my life would be, (although I do enjoy all that I can every day, despite being trapped in my body and behind my eyes), and I replied, (all this happened in my mind, and I saw nothing), No, my family would miss me too much. This was during a time when I was coding every five minutes, literally. After that, I don't think I was as unstable. Had I known what my life would be, I still would have stayed. My family would have missed me too much, it would have torn them apart. Just as it would have if what happened to me had happened to my sister. Which I am extremely happy that it didn't. She wasn't there, but I'm just saying. I've thought about it many, many times over the years since my injury, and out of all of my family, immediate and extended, I'm glad I'm the one. You have to be tough to be like this, as I'm sure everyone here knows. I don't think any of them could handle it. It would be worse for them, that's why I'm glad it was me, if it was going to happen to any of us. I fully believe there's existence after each life, and that we're reincarnated after a time, and that we get to decide when to come back. I don't believe in the Christian beliefs. Not any more. Had I not been injured, I would have come to that conclusion for myself anyway. I first questioned it when I was seven. I think the voice was from a guide. Not from an angel. I don't buy into angels. I'm looking forward to my next life. And you can be damn sure that I'm requesting, STRONGLY, (if possible), to not have any physical disabilities or life-changing traumas in the next one. I.e. I'll be checking the box under NO next to, spinal cord injury. I don't think I checked the YES box next to that before I was born into this body and life, though. I think somebody lost my paperwork! Here's hoping that person got fired. LMAO! - Angelique Novak - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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I will probably offend someone else as I seem to do quite often but If you need proof then you have no faith. You can't sit and question a faith. The big differences come in what you have faith in. The questions aren't simple, like,will your faith tolerate embryonic stem cell research? They are complex like, will your faith allow you to tolerate the existance of someone who studies embryonic stem cells? Does your faith really respect the rights of people who have a different faith? A lot of us know that Christian history doesn't have much tolerance for other Christians, let alone people that worship non-Christian faiths. For alomost a century we have allowed our leaders to discuss how tolerant we are. I don't think we are tolerant. Maybe we are but I don't see it. We preach tolerance. We seem to want to be tolerant. Most of us (able-bodied and handicapped) hate large groups of people for all sorts of reasons. My grandfather use to say the second amendment made people tolerant. Not enough of us are armed? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [QUAD-L] after death I really don't know about everyone but, I believe there is live after death. I died and came back. Here is my story. Wheelchair Warrior My Near Death Experience One day I was fine and the next day I could not breathe. I was so scared and at the same time it was so peaceful. My mother was with me in the intensive care. She looked kind of funny for she was wearing those green gowns. As I looked up at her I know at that very moment I was going to die and said:” Mom I’m dying.” All of a sudden everything went black. Then I was surrounded by Angles. The room became a beautiful golden light. I heard sounds of wind chimes and Angels were taking me up into the light. I turn and saw so many doctors working on me. They were racing around and putting a tube down my throat. One of the doctors garbed a long suction cup that is attached to a machine and places it again my chest. The other doctor said: “clear” and my body jump up from the bed. They were using the electricity paddle over and over, but the doctors couldn’t get my heart started. Each time they used the paddles my body arch up and full to the bed, but I wanted to go with the Angels. All at once I was by a river. It was beautiful on the other side it was like looking into the Garden of Eden. I saw a man surrounded by a golden light. He held out his arms and said:” If it is to pain full come across.” It was JUSES! Oh how I wanted to go to him. I turn my head, and saw the doctors still working to save my life. I looked at Jesus he told me that he had so much more for me to do on earth. I was asked if you can not take the pain just cross the river! I said:” Yes I could take the pain.” All at once I want back into my body and was in a coma. Later I found out I was dead for five minutes. The doctor told my family that I was in Gods hands. The only thing to do was to pray. After three weeks I woke up from the coma. A nurse was standing beside me. I ask her is it time to wake up. She jumped back like she heard the voice of God. That is when she ran to get the doctor, I was upset because I wanted to go back to see Jesus! When the doctor came in he to was surprised to see me awake. He told me I was in a coma for three weeks and he didn’t know if I would have came out of it. There was a lot of people praying for you young lady. Doctor David Smith only had one arm. He knows what he was doing. God Bless Him. I wanted to add to this story that I know God has used me in so many ways. I know that the Lord is with me everyday of my life. Even though sometimes I just want to be in that heavenly place, and feel that inner peace. I know that it is not my decision to make, it is the Lords Note: forwarded message attached. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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I'm not offended by your thoughts, John. Tolerance, I think, depends on the
individual and what they have learned in their life about intolerance versus
tolerance. I think that I'm pretty tolerant of just about everything, now.
Some issues can never be tolerated, and if they are, it would be awful and
vile: child abuse of any kind, sexual assault, incest, spousal abuse, etc.
Before my injury when I was 13, I was tolerant of what my household was
tolerant of. We've all grown since then. I've found myself to be more
accepting and tolerant of other people's beliefs, especially in whatever makes
them happy. It's not easy to be happy, so more power to you when you find your
thing that does it for you. As long as it isn't physically damaging someone
else. (Unless they deserve it.)
Yes, I argue for embryonic stem cell research. But if people are against it,
that's their deal.
-Angie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will probably offend someone else as I seem to
do quite often but If you need proof then you have no faith. You can't sit and
question a faith. The big differences come in what you have faith in. The
questions aren't simple, like,will your faith tolerate embryonic stem cell
research? They are complex like, will your faith allow you to tolerate the
existance of someone who studies embryonic stem cells? Does your faith really
respect the rights of people who have a different faith?
A lot of us know that Christian history doesn't have much tolerance for other
Christians, let alone people that worship non-Christian faiths. For alomost a
century we have allowed our leaders to discuss how tolerant we are. I don't
think we are tolerant. Maybe we are but I don't see it. We preach tolerance. We
seem to want to be tolerant. Most of us (able-bodied and handicapped) hate
large groups of people for all sorts of reasons.
My grandfather use to say the second amendment made people tolerant. Not enough
of us are armed?
john
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BORDER-BOTTOM: #dadad6 1px solid; HEIGHT: 206px }I really don't know
about everyone but, I believe there is live after death. I died and came back.
Here
is my story.
Wheelchair Warrior
My Near Death Experience
One day I was fine and the next day I could not breathe. I was so scared and
at the same time it was so peaceful. My mother was with me in the intensive
care. She looked kind of funny for she was wearing those green gowns. As I
looked up at her I know at that very moment I was going to die and said:â Mom
Iâm dying.â All of a sudden everything went black. Then I was surrounded by
Angles. The room became a beautiful golden light. I heard sounds of wind chimes
and Angels were taking me up into the light. I turn and saw so many doctors
working on me. They were racing around and putting a tube down my throat. One
of the doctors garbed a long suction cup that is attached to a machine and
places it again my chest. The other doctor said: âclearâ and my body jump
up from
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LOL Angie! I believe that is what is considered as properly assuming the correct karma. Speaking of extremism, or, life and death with a religious and nonsensical perspective, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo I, too will be checking that box no ;-) On 4/14/07, Angie Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had an out of body experience, I don't remember it. I wouldn't doubt it, though. I did die many times. I remember hearing a voice when I was in the ICU asking me, Do you want to stay or go? I don't think I was informed by this voice of what my life would be, (although I do enjoy all that I can every day, despite being trapped in my body and behind my eyes), and I replied, (all this happened in my mind, and I saw nothing), No, my family would miss me too much. This was during a time when I was coding every five minutes, literally. After that, I don't think I was as unstable. Had I known what my life would be, I still would have stayed. My family would have missed me too much, it would have torn them apart. Just as it would have if what happened to me had happened to my sister. Which I am extremely happy that it didn't. She wasn't there, but I'm just saying. I've thought about it many, many times over the years since my injury, and out of all of my family, immediate and extended, I'm glad I'm the one. You have to be tough to be like this, as I'm sure everyone here knows. I don't think any of them could handle it. It would be worse for them, that's why I'm glad it was me, if it was going to happen to any of us. I fully believe there's existence after each life, and that we're reincarnated after a time, and that we get to decide when to come back. I don't believe in the Christian beliefs. Not any more. Had I not been injured, I would have come to that conclusion for myself anyway. I first questioned it when I was seven. I think the voice was from a guide. Not from an angel. I don't buy into angels. I'm looking forward to my next life. And you can be damn sure that I'm requesting, STRONGLY, (if possible), to not have any physical disabilities or life-changing traumas in the next one. I.e. I'll be checking the box under NO next to, spinal cord injury. I don't think I checked the YES box next to that before I was born into this body and life, though. I think somebody lost my paperwork! Here's hoping that person got fired. LMAO! - Angelique Novak -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM- -- Life is 440 horsepower in a 2-cylinder engine. -Henry Miller
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On Apr 14, 2007, at 3:39 PM, kaye allard wrote: LOL Angie! I believe that is what is considered as properly assuming the correct karma. Speaking of extremism, or, life and death with a religious and nonsensical perspective, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica
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When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V
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I don't know anyone on this planet or solar system that is qualify to pass judgement on anyone else. However, I just wouldn't set your auto-pilot this early. Funny, but in time we all change our way of thinking several times. We never change our minds, just our way of thing. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/14/2007 3:44:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When, or if, I die, I'm going straight to Hell because I've been a bad boy and besides that where all my friends are :) Dan V ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Tolerance is something I strive to achieve every day, but I have found the older I get the more intolerant I am of things which annoy me. I won't get into all of that here, but I once again found this particular thread to be refreshing. Yet one person's belief that there is nothing after death and another who shared their near death (not sure if that's the correct term) experience. My near death experience was slightly different, in that I had some large EMT screaming and yelling at me as he performed CPR in the evacuation helicopter. I felt as if I was in a glass coffin and unable to escape to tell this person that I was fighting like hell. I had one day thought about writing about the experience, but interestingly enough I thought the series Homicide on the Streets covered it pretty well in one of their episodes were an individual suffers from a stroke. Although, after that particular episode I dropped the series because the character that suffered that massive stroke ended up coming back so fast without any rehabilitation that it really ticked me off. Definitely wasn't believable at all, in my opinion. Sorry to stray, but I continue to find it refreshing that individuals here can exchange opinions without getting nasty with each other. Keep it up and try consider what others might think as you put pen to paper, so to speak. Quadius On 4/14/07, Angie Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not offended by your thoughts, John. Tolerance, I think, depends on the individual and what they have learned in their life about intolerance versus tolerance. I think that I'm pretty tolerant of just about everything, now. Some issues can never be tolerated, and if they are, it would be awful and vile: child abuse of any kind, sexual assault, incest, spousal abuse, etc. Before my injury when I was 13, I was tolerant of what my household was tolerant of. We've all grown since then. I've found myself to be more accepting and tolerant of other people's beliefs, especially in whatever makes them happy. It's not easy to be happy, so more power to you when you find your thing that does it for you. As long as it isn't physically damaging someone else. (Unless they deserve it.) Yes, I argue for embryonic stem cell research. But if people are against it, that's their deal. -Angie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will probably offend someone else as I seem to do quite often but If you need proof then you have no faith. You can't sit and question a faith. The big differences come in what you have faith in. The questions aren't simple, like,will your faith tolerate embryonic stem cell research? They are complex like, will your faith allow you to tolerate the existance of someone who studies embryonic stem cells? Does your faith really respect the rights of people who have a different faith? A lot of us know that Christian history doesn't have much tolerance for other Christians, let alone people that worship non-Christian faiths. For alomost a century we have allowed our leaders to discuss how tolerant we are. I don't think we are tolerant. Maybe we are but I don't see it. We preach tolerance. We seem to want to be tolerant. Most of us (able-bodied and handicapped) hate large groups of people for all sorts of reasons. My grandfather use to say the second amendment made people tolerant. Not enough of us are armed? john -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [QUAD-L] after death I really don't know about everyone but, I believe there is live after death. I died and came back. Here is my story. Wheelchair Warrior ** ** *My Near Death Experience* ** *One day I was fine and the next day I could not breathe. I was so scared and at the same time it was so peaceful. My mother was with me in the intensive care. She looked kind of funny for she was wearing those green gowns. As I looked up at her I know at that very moment I was going to die and said: Mom I'm dying. All of a sudden everything went black. Then I was surrounded by Angles. The room became a beautiful golden light. I heard sounds of wind chimes and Angels were taking me up into the light. I turn and saw so many doctors working on me. They were racing around and putting a tube down my throat. One of the doctors garbed a long suction cup that is attached to a machine and places it again my chest. The other doctor said: clear and my body jump up from the bed. They were using the electricity paddle over and over, but the doctors couldn't get my heart started. Each time they used the paddles my body arch up and full to the bed, but I wanted to go with the Angels. All at once I was by a river. It was beautiful on the other side it was like looking into the Garden of Eden. I saw a man surrounded by a golden light. He held out his arms and said: If it is to pain full come across. It was JUSES! Oh how I wanted to go to him. I turn my head, and saw the doctors still working
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In the early days of my SCI I had a glimps into the next realm too, although it wasn't good. I was face to face with a bunch of demonic imp like creatures. I wasn't right with God at the time so maybe that's why that experience wasn't good. Anyway, I definately believe in life after death. To me there must be a purpose for all of God's vast creation and that I don't just cease existing when I die. Tim andrea murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't know about everyone but, I believe there is live after death. I died and came back. Here is my story. Wheelchair Warrior My Near Death Experience One day I was fine and the next day I could not breathe. I was so scared and at the same time it was so peaceful. My mother was with me in the intensive care. She looked kind of funny for she was wearing those green gowns. As I looked up at her I know at that very moment I was going to die and said: Mom Im dying. All of a sudden everything went black. Then I was surrounded by Angles. The room became a beautiful golden light. I heard sounds of wind chimes and Angels were taking me up into the light. I turn and saw so many doctors working on me. They were racing around and putting a tube down my throat. One of the doctors garbed a long suction cup that is attached to a machine and places it again my chest. The other doctor said: clear and my body jump up from the bed. They were using the electricity paddle over and over, but the doctors couldnt get my heart started. Each time they used the paddles my body arch up and full to the bed, but I wanted to go with the Angels. All at once I was by a river. It was beautiful on the other side it was like looking into the Garden of Eden. I saw a man surrounded by a golden light. He held out his arms and said: If it is to pain full come across. It was JUSES! Oh how I wanted to go to him. I turn my head, and saw the doctors still working to save my life. I looked at Jesus he told me that he had so much more for me to do on earth. I was asked if you can not take the pain just cross the river! I said: Yes I could take the pain. All at once I want back into my body and was in a coma. Later I found out I was dead for five minutes. The doctor told my family that I was in Gods hands. The only thing to do was to pray. After three weeks I woke up from the coma. A nurse was standing beside me. I ask her is it time to wake up. She jumped back like she heard the voice of God. That is when she ran to get the doctor, I was upset because I wanted to go back to see Jesus! When the doctor came in he to was surprised to see me awake. He told me I was in a coma for three weeks and he didnt know if I would have came out of it. There was a lot of people praying for you young lady. Doctor David Smith only had one arm. He knows what he was doing. God Bless Him. I wanted to add to this story that I know God has used me in so many ways. I know that the Lord is with me everyday of my life. Even though sometimes I just want to be in that heavenly place, and feel that inner peace. I know that it is not my decision to make, it is the Lords Note: forwarded message attached. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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YES, Thank God that I almost died, I wouldn't be graduating next month. I whouldn't be giving motivational speeches, I wouldn't be helping people, Wheelchair Warrior Jessica Ann Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2007, at 3:39 PM, kaye allard wrote: LOL Angie! I believe that is what is considered as properly assuming the correct karma. Speaking of extremism, or, life and death with a religious and nonsensical perspective, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g285x4sUKoo omg -- that's some f'd up stuff! thank god i have not been brainwashed! =jessica - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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1. SMART SCIENTIFIC PEOPLE BELIEVE TOO Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible. 2. Sir Fancis Bacon (1561-1627) Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth mans mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity. (http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/ofatheism.phpOf Atheism) 3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled! 4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one proof based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the trial and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. 5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650) Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous I think therefore I am. Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era. 6. Isaac Newton (1642-1727) In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He
[QUAD-L] after death
Has anyone considered the thought that after death their is nothing but a dirt nap? That it doesnt matter what you did or didnt do in life we all end up the same. That thousands of years ago some smart individual realized that human beings have to believe in something to go on, and if they think some higher power is watching over them they might live a better life. And religion makes it easy to control the masses. Has anyone ever also realized that the high iq people such as doctors, scientists, and many others mostly dont believe in god. The lower the iq the greater the belief in god. LoL just thoughts that run through my mind Ron c7 9 yrs post
