Re: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

This might be possible as I had jacked up the car to give about 9 inches 
clearance under the wheel



-Original Message-
From: Ian Harrison <bighatp...@gmail.com>
To: quantumowners <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:07
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed



Is it possible that excessive movement of the suspension has pulled the 
handbrake on?


Ian


On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 at 09:53, 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
<quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I jacked up a FWD car which was on a SORN and had not been moved for a while.
With the undriven rear wheel just off the ground I could rotate it slowly by 
hand.


Wanting to take a closer look I jacked the car higher (to get a block or axle 
stand underneath) but found that the wheel was now impossible to turn.


As far as I know everything is in order with the suspension etc so the wheel is 
not jammed against a wheel arch.


Any suggestions on what is wrong, and how to correct it will be very welcome.


Michael

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

I had not got as far as taking the wheel off so the brake pedal had not been 
used. The reason for my investigation was that I had had to move the vehicle 
from one side of the house to the other. I had expected to be able to push it 
easily  but had found it hard to push.


-Original Message-
From: Jim Hearne <j...@quantums.info>
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Sent: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:30
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed




Was the brake pedal pressed to undo the wheel nuts ?
Maybe there is corrosion in the brake cylinder bore and it’s now stuck on.
 
Jim

 

From: 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:22 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed

 

I jacked up a FWD car which was on a SORN and had not been moved for a while. 
With the undriven rear wheel just off the ground I could rotate it slowly by 
hand.
 
Wanting to take a closer look I jacked the car higher (to get a block or axle 
stand underneath) but found that the wheel was now impossible to turn.
 
As far as I know everything is in order with the suspension etc so the wheel is 
not jammed against a wheel arch.
 
Any suggestions on what is wrong, and how to correct it will be very welcome.
 
Michael
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Everything is clear so far as the jack is concerned. I can rotate the wheel 
(slowly but evenly) with the tyre just clear of the ground so I don't think 
ovalisation could be the cause. Thanks for your response.



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From: Susan and Martin Scott <susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk>
To: quantumowners <quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:28
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed



Is the jack pinching the handbrake cable (or worse still the hydraulic flexi 
pipe)? Unlikely to be, but just raising it further (from before) could put more 
force on. Have you tried lowering it to the where it was at first to see if it 
frees up again? How far was the wheel rotated? Is the drum ovalised and has now 
reached a tight spot?
Martin
  
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From:   'Michael Hughes' via Quantum   Owners Group 
  
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   
  
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:22   PM
  
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Suggestions   welcomed
  


I   jacked up a FWD car which was on a SORN and had not been moved for a while. 
  
With the undriven rear wheel just off the ground I could rotate it slowly   by 
hand.
  


  
Wanting to take a closer look I jacked the car higher (to get a block or   axle 
stand underneath) but found that the wheel was now impossible to   turn.
  


  
As far as I know everything is in order with the suspension etc so the   wheel 
is not jammed against a wheel arch.
  


  
Any suggestions on what is wrong, and how to correct it will be very   welcome.
  


  
Michael
  
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[Quantum Owners] Suggestions welcomed

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

I jacked up a FWD car which was on a SORN and had not been moved for a while.
With the undriven rear wheel just off the ground I could rotate it slowly by 
hand.


Wanting to take a closer look I jacked the car higher (to get a block or axle 
stand underneath) but found that the wheel was now impossible to turn.


As far as I know everything is in order with the suspension etc so the wheel is 
not jammed against a wheel arch.


Any suggestions on what is wrong, and how to correct it will be very welcome.


Michael

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Smelly question

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Fumes from the rear might be cured by charcoal tablets (only joking) Michael



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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Smelly question

About the fumes: it is only apparent when top is off, so not coming from 
inside.Looks like the rear is making too much turbulence, causing low pressure 
behind the occupants.
So maybe a wind deflector mx5-like can help.
Has anyone fitted a wind deflector?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quantum Magazine

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

I seem to have missed these issues but there is a possibility that my 
membership might have lapsed.


Please check your lists to see if I should have had them meanwhile I will get 
in touch with Jan about the current year. Thanks


Michael



-Original Message-
From: Maxine Williams 
To: quantumowners 
Sent: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 8:35
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Quantum Magazine



Hello All


It is becoming apparent that there have been problems with members receiving QM 
issues 89 and 90 for which I apologise.  I thought it was only one or two 
members that missed out but it is becoming apparent that there are more and I 
may need to get further issues printed.  


If you have not received any magazines can you let me know which ones are 
missing, your membership number and address please so that I can get copies to 
you.


I ask you to be patient so I can collate the information and try to get copies 
printed and posted out to you.


Thank you for your patience






Kind regards


Maxine


Maxine Williams
Tel: 07734857611








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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electric Q

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Some might prefer the birds to sigh.



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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electric Q

Anthony is doing a wonderfull job on this interesting project, Matthew.
I was lucky to see the car before Stoneleigh, albeit very shortly.
There must be around 10miles of copperwiring gone into that, but not all for 
the conversion I haste to say.
And is does make sense: an electric convertible and enjoy the birds singing.
Worth waiting for.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electric Q

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

For those with long memories it might bring to mind Hugh Lofting's Dr DoLittle  
book with its strange animals - including the 'Pushme Pullu' - only joking.


 was chatting to another member yesterday about my half-formed idea to use the 
motor from a scrap G Whiz to drive the back wheels of my Q2+2 so I'd have a 
kind of hybrid and a 4wd option. :-)


Matthew





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To: quantumowners 
Sent: Mon, 1 May 2017 16:36
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Electric Q



I was disappointed not to get to see the electric 2+2. I looked all around the 
club tent yesterday for pics but couldn't see anything that looked 
electric-specific. I'd love to see pics and read everything you can share about 
the conversion.


I was chatting to another member yesterday about my half-formed idea to use the 
motor from a scrap G Whiz to drive the back wheels of my Q2+2 so I'd have a 
kind of hybrid and a 4wd option. :-)


Matthew


  
 
 
  
 From: Anthony Johnson 
 To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2017, 22:46
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Digest for quantumowners@googlegroups.com - 5 
updates in 3 topics
  
 


I won't be able to come in my electric 2+2 as it's not going to be ready on 
time. I will however bring photos in case anyone is interested. I'll try again 
next year!
Anthony Johnson







 
 
  

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Six Wheeled Cars

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Thanks for the correction about 6 wheeled F1 cars though what I thought I had 
seen was a car with four front wheels on one 'axle' rather than a 3 'axle' set 
up


Russell is right in recalling the 6 wheel Hustler a bit like the Mini Moke in 
concept



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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Six Wheeled Cars

Wasn't there a six wheeled Hustler as well?

Russell
> Message Received: Apr 12 2017, 12:37 PM
> From: "'Jim Turner' via Quantum Owners Group" 
> To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
> Cc: 
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Six Wheeled Cars
> 
> Hi All
> The six wheel F1 car was a TYRRELL P 34 , 1976 vintage. They had some 
> success driven by Jody Schecter & Patrick Depailler. The car had four 
> smaller front wheels to help cut drag.
> The six wheeled kit car was a STARCRAFT campervan based on Cortina with an 
> additional chassis. I considered buying one once as it was tax exempt, but 
> it was too ugly!
> I'm still looking for a tax exempt car.
> Must go now, i have to sort out my anorak!
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

The fault might simply be that the lead into the top of the distributor cap is 
working itself loose.  Using a company car I had the embarrassing experience
of calling the company workshop staff out on a 30 mile return trip at 10.30 
p.m. as I was returning from a meeting in the Midlands. The engine had cut out 
and I had coasted to a halt at a dangerous point where the road passed an 
airfield.


The fitter arrived sometime around 11.15 p.m. opened the bonnet, pushed down on 
the lead in the socket on the top of the distributor and said, 'Now try it', it 
started and ran faultlessly all the way back to the Ford Research and 
Engineering Centre where the car, and I, were based.


As I expect you have been told already the connection to the crankshaft 
position sensor  is also a potential trouble spot.


Michael



-Original Message-
From: Susan and Martin Scott 
To: quantumowners 
Sent: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 9:05
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 distributor



Unless you can see anything obviouse (eg black 'tracking' or burn out contact 
on cap) it's probably the black unit on the side, in which case it's possibly 
cheaper (just as easy?) to get one of those and fit to the part you have.
Martin
  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   QM editor 
  
To: Quantum Owners Group 
  
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:12   PM
  
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2   distributor
  


  
Thanks everyone, and specially Chris. I'm familiar with the   spring clips and 
had not seen a pair of screws to hold the cap before - so   mine with the 
screws must be Lucas. Are they completely interchangeable? There   seem to be 
many types available on the usual websites but as soon as I try to   specify 
the exact one I can't find one like that.  


  
Does anyone know if they are all more or less the same and it doesn't   matter 
which one you use, so long as it has the same fitting? Does a recon one   come 
with an oil seal? Presumably a new one does? I have till the end of next   
month to get this car going, I don't want to go to Stoneleigh in my tin top   
Suzuki!

Thanks again, Mike
  


On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 11:02:56 AM UTC, QM editor wrote:  

My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does 
anyone know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct 
distributor is a Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. 
The Haines manual says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I 
found was type 0 237 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.



Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did 
they use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while 
the one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at 
all! Advice please so I can get going again!




Many thanks, Mike


  
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radio options?

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

I have a Blaupunkt like this but have never used it. It depends on a link with 
the odometer to calculate the vehicle's position.



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Sent: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 22:11
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radio options?



Blaupunkt used to make a single din satnav ,fitted in vwaudiskodaseat cars 
,don't know if they are still available.


On 13 Mar 2017 10:06 p.m., "Chris H"  wrote:

I might be wrong but I don't think you can get a sat-nav single din radio.

Of course you could fancy and fabricate something to fit a double

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

I would be happy to send you what I have from the original builder namely the 
Assembly Manual as supplied by Quantum with the kit and the relevant Haynes 
Fiesta manual.
A refund of the postal costs would be appreciated.


Obviously I need your address.


Does it still have an RS turbo engine?



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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?

I believe I'm the fourth/fifth owner. I did wonder about the gel coat but 
couldn't find anything in the history, so thought it was original.

Of the history I got there does seem a gap, which could be explain by the 
history you still have.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Thanks for getting in touch Chris. I was its second owner. The car originally 
had a red gel coat, this faded, so I had it resprayed in red. I still have some 
of the build history.



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Sent: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 12:17
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?



I'm the current owner of Q099, the car is currently on approx. 51K, making the 
total mileage about 150,000 
 
Wonder if the magazine would be interested in doing an article on these Q's if 
they where provided with a list?

On Saturday, 4 February 2017 23:27:35 UTC, Michael Hughes  wrote:
If the present owner of the RS Turbo coupe chassis no 99 reads this he might be 
able to challenge this too since it had done 98000 miles at the time I bought 
it almost 20 years ago.



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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?

Vince's car had definitely done more than that and is still within the club as 
far as I know.

Russell


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> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?
> 
> Any of you who get Complete Kit Car may have seen a feature in the latest 
> issue (out last Friday, dated March 2017) "Let the mileage Challenge Begin". 
> A reader's Kingfisher Kustoms Kango has done over 200k (albeit with 2 engine 
> changes!). I'm sure a Quantum has beaten this figure (Vince Orme's?) - If we 
respond to this (with a photo if possible) it will give our Quantum cars some 
useful publicity.
> Send your car's story to Editor Adam Wilkins.
> ad...@performancepublishing.co.uk
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

If the present owner of the RS Turbo coupe chassis no 99 reads this he might be 
able to challenge this too since it had done 98000 miles at the time I bought 
it almost 20 years ago.



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Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Good publicity opportunity for QOC?

Vince's car had definitely done more than that and is still within the club as 
far as I know.

Russell


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> Any of you who get Complete Kit Car may have seen a feature in the latest 
> issue (out last Friday, dated March 2017) "Let the mileage Challenge Begin". 
> A reader's Kingfisher Kustoms Kango has done over 200k (albeit with 2 engine 
> changes!). I'm sure a Quantum has beaten this figure (Vince Orme's?) - If we 
respond to this (with a photo if possible) it will give our Quantum cars some 
useful publicity.
> Send your car's story to Editor Adam Wilkins.
> a...@performancepublishing.co.uk
> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Automatic gearbox wanted.

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

After our e mail conversation last night I checked to see which Fiats used a 
CVT box answer was Fiat Uno



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Sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 15:35
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Automatic gearbox wanted.

Hi All
Does anyone on here have an automatic gearbox suitable for fitting on a CVH 
engine?
Need one for a Quantum. Nit having much luck.
Thanks in advance for the help.

Eddie

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[Quantum Owners] Fwd: Sign the Government ePetition for a new PumpWatch pricing watchdog

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

May I suggest that you consider signing the petition


Michael



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Q2+2 in museum

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Many thanks,  I wonder who the first owner / builder was.



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From: Hans Defauwes 
To: quantumowners 
Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2016 4:22 pm
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Q2+2 in museum




Q2+2 sportted in a car museum in Reims France.

 

http://www.musee-automobile-reims-champagne.com/en

The Q2+2 is not visible on the website – pity.

 

Our cars are getting valuable/collectors items 

 

Hans


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux

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Thanks for taking the trouble to publicise things done well. Too often good 
service is taken for granted.

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Sent: Sat, Jul 2, 2016 9:24 pm
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Adrian Flux



Just wanted to type up a quick note about Adrian Flux..  Well technically 
Bikesure, but that’s just one of their brand names.  I’ve seen the odd bad 
press about insurance brokers here before, so wanted to post a positive one.
 
Was about to go out on my quad the other day, when I realised my insurance cert 
had lapsed.  So bought a policy through them on-line.  All good
 
Next working day I got a note to give them a call, which I did, they pointed 
out I may have missed a mod (they had it insured the previous year and noticed 
the difference)… They changed the policy for me, no fee, no fuss.
 
A week later I realised that I did have insurance in place – it had in fact 
auto renewed, I’d just been daft and forgotten / not printed off the new cert.  
One call later and everything was cancelled and refunded 100%, again no fee or 
fuss.
 
Just wanted to mention this, as I used to insure my Quantum with them and also 
had previous good service.  The only negative I suppose is that I wished they’d 
notice that I had two policies on the same vehicle, however can’t blame them 
too much for me being stupid!
 
M
 
 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Ford Parts Direct

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

The link is  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/bristolstreetmotorsford


I had difficulty too but resolved it by checking with the editorial staff of 
'Ford News'


Michael



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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Ford Parts Direct



How do we find the BSM shop on Ebay? I've tried an advanced search on shops for 
Bristol Street, BSM Ford etc with no luck.
  
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Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 2:22   PM
  
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Ford Parts   Direct
  


A   new initiative in conjunction with Bristol Street Motors started in April. 
A   special team have been established at Daventry to service E bay orders 
placed   through the BSM ebay shop.   


  
The scheme will be expanded to cover more dealerships later this   year.Orders 
received in Daventry by 11 a.m. will be dispatched the same day by   mail or 
courier.
  


  
The service is available even for single part orders. Although biased   towards 
current parts some parts for older vehicles will be included.
  


  
Ford Motor Company pays my pension.
  


  
Michael Hughes
  
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[Quantum Owners] Ford Parts Direct

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

A new initiative in conjunction with Bristol Street Motors started in April. A 
special team have been established at Daventry to service E bay orders placed 
through the BSM ebay shop.


The scheme will be expanded to cover more dealerships later this year.Orders 
received in Daventry by 11 a.m. will be dispatched the same day by mail or 
courier.


The service is available even for single part orders. Although biased towards 
current parts some parts for older vehicles will be included.


Ford Motor Company pays my pension.


Michael Hughes

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[Quantum Owners] Fiesta 40th anniversary Brighton run

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Said to be the UK's best selling car for all time, the anniversary run from 
Dagenham to Brighton takes place on Saturday 16th of July 2016


For full details see  www.fordsummerfestival.co.uk


£60 entry fee covers car, driver, passenger, refreshment vouchers, afternoon 
and evening entertainment and camping for two at the Brighton Racecourse.
Participating cars will be identified by a special rally plate.


Michael Hughes former Technical Librarian Ford of Britain R

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Re: [Quantum Owners] MPG

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If the weight of an engine makes so much difference it might be interesting to 
know how much difference it makes when Jon drives with and without a passenger 
(adhering to the same limits as he would have done with the trailer).


Using a well known diesel powered estate car I towed an aerodynamically styled 
enclosed box trailer containing a table and six chairs on a 200 mile trip.
The contents which were carried on one leg of the journey, seemed to make no 
difference but the trailer increased the fuel consumption by about 40%.



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From: 'jonathan jackson' via Quantum Owners Group 

To: quantumowners 
Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 10:30 am
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] MPG



I have to add I use the limit.to the limit in as much as 60 MPH 
whenever possible and acceleration is let the engine spin on a light pedal.
My turbo 2+2 struggles to better 30 mpg but then again that woosh of power is 
corruptive!
Cheers
Jon
 



 
 
 
 On Tuesday, 1 March 2016, 9:31, Chris Young  wrote:

  

 

on the carbs mine was 12-15!  now on the ITBs I get about 25, even pushing on 
fairly quickly.. but it is a v8 :-)







On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 at 09:26 Jim Hearne  wrote:




Mine was around 20mpg but it’s not quite the same spec

 

Jim









From: 'jonathan jackson' via Quantum Owners Group 






Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 8:56 AM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] MPG

 





Well I had to get a 2 Litre Triumph engine transported 180 miles and my only 
tool was my Quantum 2+2 and a 5ft x 3ft trailer that had no cover on it, hence 
an aerodynamic brick!
I brimmed the tank and sat nav and speedo were used to find out what my 
standard Weber carb XR2 engined Quantum got to the gallon. Wow 37 mpg dragging 
engine up and a staggering 43 mpg on return journey still with the trailer and 
no cover but empty.
What mpg do others on here get?
Cheers
Jon
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Braking Question

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Mine was 99. The advice was coupled with the instruction to fit 15mm bore rear 
brake cylinders.

I think it was one of those things that Quantum changed through production




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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Braking Question




Pretty sure mine had one.
I think it was one of those things that Quantum changed through production and 
depended on which size rear wheel cylinders were used as well.
 
I would go on the principle that if it has one now then put it back, if it 
doesn’t then don’t.
 
Jim
 

 

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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Braking Question

 

p.19 5.13 Coupe assembly manual  ' Brake pressure valve is discarded' 
 
Michael



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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Braking Question

We have just received the following question via the club's Facebook page 
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Can anyone help Peter?

"Sorry but I have a quick urgent question on Q coupe braking system. Mine is on 
the deck having rear axle refurbished and I need to order new bits. Is the 
fiesta brake pressure control valve used? TiA"

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Braking Question

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p.19 5.13 Coupe assembly manual  ' Brake pressure valve is discarded'


Michael



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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Braking Question

We have just received the following question via the club's Facebook page 
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Can anyone help Peter?

"Sorry but I have a quick urgent question on Q coupe braking system. Mine is on 
the deck having rear axle refurbished and I need to order new bits. Is the 
fiesta brake pressure control valve used? TiA"

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Quarter Glass

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I think that the rouge might well only deal with superficial scratches as it 
might be thought of as a kind of 'T Cut for Glass'
Windscreen blemishes eg stone chips are repaired by filling with some form of 
clear plastic substance. Might be worth talking to a windscreen reairer to see 
if your window glass scratch could be filled.


Michael



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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Quarter Glass

I think 'jeweller's rouge' (if you can get it) is the product!
Martin
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Quarter Glass


Wow. Okay. I have a scratch currently on the glass and thought I'd just get 
another one. Perhaps I'll just leave it. Any advice on how to remove 
scratches from glass? It's quite deep.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] The ultimate fully electric 2+2

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Electric boot releases can be found on the Quantum coupe but some owners found 
them troublesome and got rid of them


There are a number of overlays for domestic and car seats which include massage 
rollers and some of these include heating - some operate both in house and in 
car. 


My own feeling about electric cars (motorbikes and electric bicycles) is that 
the first target should be operating range, speed (ability to keep up with 
standard vehicles in the conditions where the electric car is to be used), 
comfort features are 'Luxuries' which can only be afforded if the power 
available is such that use of them does not affect speed and range.


Many diesel engined cars are all but impossible to steer without some form of 
power steering because of the weight and location of the engine. It might be 
that the motor and battery layout in an electric Quantum would present the same 
problem but equally it might be possible to eliminate the need for power 
steering, e.g. using a trailer mounted generator or housing the batteries in a 
trailer rather than on board.


I wish you all the best for your project.


Michael



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From: Anthony Johnson 
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2016 3:53 am
Subject: [Quantum Owners] The ultimate fully electric 2+2



My conversion of a 2+2 with Mk4 dash is well underway now with the help of the 
kids at my school!  Everything has been stripped back, modified subframe for 
electric motor/batteries has been galvanised, all suspension components 
sandblasted and repainted and about to start putting it all back together after 
bodyshell painted. I will be fitting electric GM power steering, using petrol 
tank space for suspended space saver spare wheel, ceramic heater in place of 
heater exchanger from engine, and the batteries will be divided between the 
space behind the back seat as well as above gearbox/motor.  
I write here to ask members for ideas/experience for how to soup it up to be 
the ultimate electric 2+2.  Ideas and help on the following as well as things I 
haven't thought of would be appreciated:

I'd like heated front seats (as no warm engine!). Any ideas on heated 
production/sporty seats that fit nicely in the 2+2 or will I have to retrofit 
heater elements in XR2 seats? Or even heated electric adjustment seats?

Has anyone found easy way to do electric boot release or is it just a case of 
engineering/fitting a solenoid?
Can brake servo be fitted directly to back of brake pedal box as there is space 
now with no engine (the angles on the bar are not quite identical hence the 
question).
Has anyone got advice or quality bits for sale that can help me build the 
ultimate fully electric 2+2?


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Re: [Quantum Owners] New model?

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Not so sure about the car but is there not a danger that people might think of 
you as being 'stuck up', just a passing thought for amusement only.


However if you take the concept to its logical conclusion you would produce 
something similar to the Citroen based Romahomes that used bodies produced 
initially by Island Plastics on the Isle on the Isle of Wight.


Someone in Norwich combined an Island Plastics style body with a Reliant Fox 
pick-up. A very rare beast.


what would my car look like with its trailer glued on?




 





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Subject: [Quantum Owners] New model?




I thoughtwhat would my car look like with its trailer glued on?
 
Chris G 
 


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

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If I am right in suggesting that a thermostat that fails to open correctly 
stops the flow of coolant from the engine to the radiator and that one which 
opens too soon or sticks open, or is missing altogether causes the engine to 
run cold because the engine coolant flows through the radiator at all times 
what is read on the temperature gauge depends on the location of the 
temperature sensor.


If a gauge is working at all and sensing the temperature of the coolant within 
the engine block there seems to be little possibility that the gauge would not 
respond in the same way as the sensor for the electric fan. If it is hot enough 
for the fan to run it must show on the gauge.
On the other hand the temperature gauge might be monitoring the temperature of 
the coolant within the radiator or some other point between the thermostat and 
the radiator, thus showing a low temperature because of the thermostat failing 
to open.


Thermostat test - I believe the time honoured test is to put it in a pan of 
water and bring it to the boil.


T/C engines - RS turbo thermostats are designed to open at a lower temperature 
than those for n.a. engines.



-Original Message-
From: Susan and Martin Scott 
To: quantumowners 
Sent: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:03
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

Funny you shuld say that, as I thought I had the problem again.. however 
it just seems to be the gauge not moving, as the heater gets hot within a 
mile. For the last year the gauge has never gone above O on the NORM section 
of the scale, even when it's very hot and the fan comes on. I shall be 
getting the meter out, and earthing the wire as a test once we have some 
spring weather.
Martin
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Cc: "Derek Clews" 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:07 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat


Hi All,

I have fitted various thermostats in the past and most seem to control the 
coolant temp fine for a few months and then get colder and colder until the 
running temp hits the bottom of the gauge.  Occasionally one I have had runs 
for years and is fine.  I recall there was a thread about this some time 
ago, what was the outcome?  Is there a particular make we need to buy?  At 
present I have one of each in the two Q’s so see the direct comparison every 
week as I drive one then the other, so I know I am not just imagining it!

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Headlights Positioned too Low - MOT Failure

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Surely this would have been picked up on the MOT as a separate issue?


Maybe the shocks are Cream Crackered??





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Sent: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 22:47
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Headlights Positioned too Low - MOT Failure


Maybe the shocks are Cream Crackered??

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Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 9:35
PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Headlights Positioned too Low - MOT

Failure


Thanks everyone. I got it working. The bracket wasn't in place
correctly so 
when I was turning the screw, nothing was happening.

They are
now as high as they can be but it still might not be enough. I'm 
taking it
down to the garage who will be doing the MOT again to get the 
lights
tested/aligned. I just hope they are high enough if not I'm in

trouble!

They must be high enough though because how did it pass the
previous MOT's? 
This is the first time I've had an issue with the
lights.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Quantum H4 for sale

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If you found someone with cover to drive  cars not owned or hired by him/her 
they could take the car to the MOT station on your behalf and return it to you.


The other consideration is that if you are insured you can take the car to any 
MOT station, provided you have an appointment, which might get round a delivery 
problem if the car was MOT'd somewhere convenient for the new owner.


These suggestions are made in good faith but you would be wise to check them 
out rather than relying on my word.


Michael Hughes



-Original Message-
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Sent: Thu, 21 May 2015 12:21
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Quantum H4 for sale


 
Hi Jim,   
I did offer it to him but he has bought another car in the meantime. Have 
mailed the second highest bidder as well just in case they were interested.  
  
If I thought an MOT would inflate the value I would do the work but by the time 
I insure it to get it to the MOT station (or hire trailers etc) I doubt I would 
recoup significantly more money.  The other option is to break the car 
depending on what the interest in bits may be.   
  
Regards  
Allan  
  
  
On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:47:43 AM UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:  

 
  
   
For a Quantum without an MOT i think it got to a reasonable price.  
   
Why not just sell it to the highest bidder, you can still do that even though 
the original reserve wasn’t reached.  
   
   
   
Jim  
   
   
   

 
 
 
  
  From: ludditeal  
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:57 AM 
  
  To: quantu...@googleg  
  
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Quantum H4 for sale 

   


  
   

Sadly it didn't sell as my reserve expectations were too high, something which 
I have over the past week or so come to accept. Before I relist it anybody 
interested at £800 ovno.  

Contact me for further details or if interested. 

Steve, 
I am a QOC member but don't have login details for the QOC site to add an 
advert.  Are you able to provide some credentials? I assume you can work me out 
from the registration number M711VRA.

Thanks
Allan 


On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 6:26:39 PM UTC+1, ludditeal wrote: 
  
   
Sadly the time has come to end my ownership of a Quantum H4 which we have had 
since 1998 :(   
   
   
   
I have listed the car on E-bay at this link  
   
   
   
   
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321746765977?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
  
   
   
   
   
   
If you have any questions then either ask here or via the e-bay advert.  The 
car is in the village of Heather in Leicestershire which is J22 M1 or J12 M43 
if you want to view it.   
   
   
   
Thanks  
   
Allan  
   
   
   
   
 

   
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Eddie Ruskin

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Many thanks for your news Eddie. With best wishes for your full recovery in the 
New Year.
Thanks to your family and all who are supporting you behind the  'screens'.
Michael and Paula Hughes



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Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:18
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Eddie Ruskin


Thank you guysfor the messages. I am doing well at the moment and should be out 
of hospital on the first week of the new year.
All the nurses here now know what Quantim is :-)
Robin Jenkins is working hard to keep things on track with Karens help. I also 
would like to share some very good news, that early next year we are starting 
another member of staff due to the amount of work booked in for 2015
This will leave me time to concentrate on my recovery. The experts think I will 
be walking again soon despite still being mostly paralised down my left side
There is still much to look forward to in 2015 including some very special 
development work currently under way for the first 3 models of Quantums that I 
hope to reveal at Stoneligh.
So with so much to look forwaard to, i will concentrate on getting back on 
track 
whilst you people stay safe this winter whilst Quantuming.
Take care
Eddie

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Q99

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I wouk=ld be interesred too as I was its second owner. Michael


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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Q99

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[Quantum Owners] Fwd: eBay Seller Email: Check out my Newly-Listed Items

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

A couple of Fiesta Mk1/2 items herer door lock seals and front 
suspension 'insulators' . I have no commercial link with this firm. 
Michael



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Parts needed

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Apologies for forgeting the name - Ian Cummings  Michael


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From: 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
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To: quantumowners quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:21
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Parts needed


Sorry I can't remember all the details but I am fairly sure that the
man who had an H4 before he reverted to Morgans who had a company
making plastic mouldings actually made headlamp covers for a small
group of QC members. Michael


-Original Message-
From: pete p...@thewurg.freeserve.co.uk
To: quantumowners quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:31
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Parts needed



Hi all


Please can anyone help with the following:


- headlamp cover(s) for H4, especially offside (new or second-hand)
- new hood for 2+2


Many thanks


Sonia  Pete

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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Luxury cars with discs all round often have small drums built into the 
disc on the rear wheels, which is used for the parking brake. The 
reason being that if you park a disc braked car on an incline, with 
very hot discs when the discs cool the car can start to slide down the 
incline.


Handbrake is actually much better -



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Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:23
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake


Handbrake is actually much better - and why would it effect insurance??

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:00:49 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake


No you are correct - Absolute waste of time/effort/money, and will 
probably end up with an inferior braking system (certainly on the 
handbrake).
If you have a rear engined car, and are using it on the track, then 
maybe
Kish - It will probably affect (adversely) that new insurance you have 
as well.

Martin
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:18   PM

Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear   brake



I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not   worth 
the effort as there is not a lot of weight at the back end, unless it 
is   purely an aesthetic requirement. Come on somebody back me up or am 
I losing my   mind?


Russell

On 11/06/2014 16:40, Kish Patel wrote:




hi all




can any one help ?




want to put disk brakes on the rear of my 2+2 (presently has drum 
ones)


do I need to replace axel etc. ??
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Parts needed

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Sorry I can't remember all the details but I am fairly sure that the 
man who had an H4 before he reverted to Morgans who had a company 
making plastic mouldings actually made headlamp covers for a small 
group of QC members. Michael



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To: quantumowners quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:31
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Parts needed



Hi all


Please can anyone help with the following:


- headlamp cover(s) for H4, especially offside (new or second-hand)
- new hood for 2+2


Many thanks


Sonia  Pete

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