[RBW] When is a tire too big?
Much is said about Rivs taking big tires, those advanced, low rolling resistance, low pressure tires that absorb shocks, stop flats, survive long tours across the tundra, and eliminate potentially hazardous resonances in areas of lipid storage. But when do you get too much of a good thing and your king of the road turns into a beach cruiser? Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
I'd say when it doesn't fit under a fender, or becomes so heavy that acceleration and climbing are seriously affected. Btw, not all wide tires are low rolling resistance. I stay away from the heavy duty Marathons as they do feel a bit leaden to me and do reduce my riding enjoyment. Also, ideal tire width depends a lot on road condition and rider+bike+luggage weight. For my 175 lbs self with sub 30 lbs bike and luggage, slick 50mm tires are probably overkill for even bad dirt roads, but might still be worth it for combining road riding with rocky single track. But 50mm might be just right for a 250 lbs rider with 70 lbs bike+luggage on chip seal. My 1990 Fisher Sphinx monstercross/countrybike came with 700C/38mm Panaracer small block knobbies. These were not great for the road, and were replaced with a long series of 28mm Continentals for road riding, and 45mm Panaracer Smokes for off-roading. The idea of mixed surface riding hadn't occurred to me yet. However, here in Thailand mixed surface riding makes the most sense due to the plethora of connecting dirt roads. I first went to Vittoria 32s (about 31mm actual), then Jack Brown Greens (34mm actual) when I got my Hillborne, then Pasela 35s (37 actual), and now Kenda Kwickroller EZ Ride 40s (worst name ever, though accurate; 39mm actual). I think I am getting close to the point of diminishing returns, but don't think I am there yet. Dirt road performance has increased noticeably with each increase, while road performance seems similar. (These are all low rolling resistance tires; most wider tires in 700C appear to be heavier duty/higher resistance. The Kendas came in 44mm but were discontinued before I could try them). The Jack Browns do accelerate more quickly, but that doesn't really have an effect on ride enjoyment. However, the Kendas don't quite fit under the fenders I bought for the Jack Browns, so I just switched back to the Paselas to put the fenders back on (winter is dry season here, so they aren't absolutely necessary). The Kendas will go to the Fisher which has wider fenders. I am seriously contemplating the purchase of a 650B bike so I can run Hetres (42mm), which seem like the ideal tire to me: cushy, low rolling resistance, wide, light (tried them on a friend's bike). Also wouldn't mind trying some Big Apple Lightskins, but am worried that they are still too overbuilt for me, like most Schwalbes (I rarely get flats even on Jack Brown Greens at 35 psi on dirt). Cheers, Gernot On Jan 28, 11:30 am, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: Much is said about Rivs taking big tires, those advanced, low rolling resistance, low pressure tires that absorb shocks, stop flats, survive long tours across the tundra, and eliminate potentially hazardous resonances in areas of lipid storage. But when do you get too much of a good thing and your king of the road turns into a beach cruiser? Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv'ish trails in Berkeley Hills/Tilden?
Thanks Michael. That is exactly what I was looking for; I can download those routes on to my gps to have in case I get lost out there. -- J. On Jan 27, 7:55 pm, Michael Levin mlevi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jose, Here's a website that is used to map bike trails you like:http://www.bikely.com/listpaths/by/wozzz The funny story about it is that I bought my XO-1 from wozzz, the guy who recorded these trails and told me about this site! He lives in Oakland and some of these trails are right around Berkeley. Enjoy and please let us know if you try any. All the best, Michael On Jan 26, 8:50 pm, jose jose.cor...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone recommend some trail loops they like in the Berkeley Hills / Tilden Park area? Swoopy fire roads, nothing technical but still fun. I just moved to the area (Rockridge) and I'm looking for some short ( 15 - 20 miles) jaunts out in the hills. Last week, the weather being what it was (ie perfect) I jumped on the bike and meant to go explore the trails around Inspiration Point. However, I made the mistake of of going up Centennial Rd and I was cooked by the time I got to Grizzly Peak! I turned around, and coasted back down the hill. Ha! I guess I'll have to drive to the trailhead (lame) for now, until I get into better shape. I road my bike everyday in Houston and thought I was in decent shape, but I guess I wasn't in hills-shape. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
On Jan 27, 11:38 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: but about subtle specifics of interest to velohistorians an bike nerds. The question remains unanswered. For example, are their differences between the acclaimed Toyo and current Waterford forks? What about subtle bends in the chainstay and other tubing? There must be things that Toyo and Waterford do uniquely well. What are they? This thread needs pictures -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] When is a tire too big?
I think the choice depends a great deal on what you personally want from a tire, since any tire is a tradeoff. If you want to ride on firm gravel or dirt as well as pavement, then a 40 mm tire with sturdy casing may be the best. If you want to ride fast on pavement, a narrower but suppler tire may be better. If you want an allrounder tire that can take you over 3 of sand, a very fat, soft tire is best. If you want off road traction, a knobby; and so forth. My own preference is for very different pavement and allrounder and dirt tires. For pavement, I want the narrowest tire that is supple and fast rolling, sufficiently flat resistant and that fits; this means I don't need any more width than 26 to 28 mm; and in fact I am riding 22s and 23s as a pis aller -- I sacrifice night-time rim protection gravel-scattered roads and some bump comfort but little else. For allrounder, I want something that is not a huge dog on pavement but that will take me over the sand I encounter near the Rio Grande and on Albuquerque's westside -- skinny 45-50 mm tires don't do nearly as well in sand. If I rode in more technical singletrack, I'd want knobs to improve the loose surface cornering -- the one big defect of the 65 actual Big Apples I do use. And so on. So my bikes have either skinny, fast pavement tires or grossly fat sand-capable tires. Are there times when I'd like a 38 or so? Sure, but in my situation, these occasions are far fewer than those where I want narrower or fatter. I do like the 30s (labeled, 29 actual) on my grocery carrying Motobecane, but I don't have any reason to put on wider ones even for occasional firm dirt and gravel -- this old racing bike just *might* take JBs with fenders, I think, if I am careful in mounting the front, and I might just try some when the IRC Tandems wear out. BTW, both my skinniest-tire'd bike (22 mm Riv commuter) and my fattest (Fargo) have fenders with ample room. I'd rather fix more flats than ride very stiff casings. The BAs are very strange and wonderful in that they roll very, very well for their grossly excessive weight and thorn resistance, but not all skinnies are more flat prone than all fatter tires, oddly enough. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: Much is said about Rivs taking big tires, those advanced, low rolling resistance, low pressure tires that absorb shocks, stop flats, survive long tours across the tundra, and eliminate potentially hazardous resonances in areas of lipid storage. But when do you get too much of a good thing and your king of the road turns into a beach cruiser? Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 700c vs. 650b, again
Personally, my next bike will be a 650B with 42mm Hetres (the AHH can't fit Hetres, and for me personally, a 650B bike that can't fit Hetres doesn't make sense). Living in Asia, I chose the 56cm Hillborne over the 52 partly because it has 700C wheels. But the only 700C rims available here in Thailand are cheap Alex racing rims, or 20 spoke wonder wheels. I actually had 2 rims destroyed here in 2 years, and the best I could do was NOS neon yellow anodized Mavic Open Pros shipped up from Bangkok with a multi- day wait. In other words, for the types of rims we like and use, they won't be available in Russia or Timbuktu in either 700C or 650B. Though in an emergency, a skinny, not-appropriate-for-touring 700C rim can probably be found, while a 650B rim will not (former French colonies excepted). So I just bring back rims from the States, or get friends to bring them. Now I wonder if I should have picked the 52cm Sam (though the 56cm is probably a better fit, being only a tiny bit too big, and my other bike is too small), because I think Hetres are ideal for the mixed surface riding I love. Btw, judging from growing up 200 miles from Berlin, there are probably plenty of sometimes sandy dirt roads (Feldwege) around Berlin, so you may still want the widest tires you can fit. I bet you can get either the 55 or the 56 to fit you perfectly, and without trying them out, there is no way of knowing which would be more nearly perfect. If you want fast supple wide tires (35-45mm), 650B is the way to go. but for me the best of the bunch is the Hetre, and it don't fit the AHH, so even tire choice is a wash. I assume the 650B SOMA is as good as a Pasela (I believe it IS a Pasela), so no difference there (I like my 35mm Paselas, which measure closer to 37mm on Synergy rims). The 650B Pacenti Pari Moto 38mm has no equivalent in 700C, but it is a very thin tire designed specifically for competition, and thus may not be the right tire for you (expensive and doesn't last very long). If you have no desire to run the Pari Moto, then 650B has little advantage on an AHH. So, bottom line, go with the 700C for peace of mind, but don't fool yourself into easy parts availability worldwide, especially if you are getting 36 hole rims. The only rims that are reasonably available worldwide are *32* hole 26 rims. I had to order a 36 hole 26 rim for my tandem from the UK. Nothing available in 36 holes in Thailand, not even in Bangkok. Cheers, Gernot On Jan 27, 1:03 pm, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: Vietnam was a French colony and the 650B is a French size so I can see how that would be especially since bikes are never thrown away in rural Asia. Hong Kong and China were never French. Also Hong Kong is a place where people look for the latest techno-glitzyness-gadgety stuff. 650B doesn't fit that image. One of the nicer bike shops refused to work on my Sam because it wasn't a carbon-fibre-dura-ace-indexed-sub 9.5kg-ego-raising-racer-wanna-be machine. They didn't have parts that would fit it and saw no reason to order them for me. Another one asked if the bike more than 30 years old; but he was admiring it. The only shop that will ork with me here is Flying ball and they are too far away from where I live and work. It is just easier to order tires online and have them mailed. Wheels are problematic because they cost a lot to ship. When I went to Shanghai last summer I was really worried about tires and wheels. I kind of wish I had the non-cantilever version Sam because then I might be able to run either 650B-650C or 700c on the frame given the clearance by simply changing out a caliper. Being able to do that would make the bike really versatile but the bosses get in the way of that on the frame I have now. Idiot that I am I didn't think that tire size would be an issue here before I bought the frame On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Fai, I was surprised to find a lot of 650B when I was in Hanoi: http://tinyurl.com/4p2785t Nicole: I think a wider tire would help calm down the twitchy handling. Best, Lee San Francisco, CA On Jan 26, 3:50 pm, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about Russia. I do know that you can't buy 650b tires in Asia unless you have them imported yourself. If I had it to do over again I'd have upped my Sam Hillborne by a size to get the 700c wheel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Fai Mao The Blogger who sometimes responds to comments -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
Bob, IMHO, it appears to be the quality of the tire that makes things work for me. I have big fast tires and big slow tires. I get occasional flats on the faster tires both large and small. Add all the kevlar belts etc.. and I get fewer flats and a slower tire. Larger tires are more comfortable on the rougher roads where I live. The 700x32 (measure 28-29) Paselas on the Rambouillet feel/measure faster than 700x35 Paselas. So I use the smaller 700x32 tires on the Rambouillet and larger tires on other bikes. My perceptions... Angus On Jan 27, 10:30 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: Much is said about Rivs taking big tires, those advanced, low rolling resistance, low pressure tires that absorb shocks, stop flats, survive long tours across the tundra, and eliminate potentially hazardous resonances in areas of lipid storage. But when do you get too much of a good thing and your king of the road turns into a beach cruiser? Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
I think, Robert, that this all depends upon ones perspective. Angus On Jan 27, 1:45 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: If they are built here, they are better. Think about everything bad that's associated w/ a Taiwanese made product. On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Bob, I've had two Rivendells (non Atlantis) built by Waterford. They were very well done. I've had two Rivendell (one an Atlantis) built by Toyo. They were also very well done. I have not been able to detect a difference. Angus On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, kickstand plate and range of sizes. In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in builder? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
How so my friend? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 03:02:19 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis I think, Robert, that this all depends upon ones perspective. Angus On Jan 27, 1:45 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: If they are built here, they are better. Think about everything bad that's associated w/ a Taiwanese made product. On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Bob, I've had two Rivendells (non Atlantis) built by Waterford. They were very well done. I've had two Rivendell (one an Atlantis) built by Toyo. They were also very well done. I have not been able to detect a difference. Angus On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, kickstand plate and range of sizes. In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in builder? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
I would second (or third) the views of Patrick and Angus. I live in a town with no paved roads, so I do a lot of dirt road riding, and almost every ride begins and ends with 2+ miles of dirt. However, I have never felt the need for really big tires. The biggest I am running are 38 Avocet Cross Tires, which measure out to 35 and have an inverted tread, so aren't too bad on pavement, and are great on dirt and even packed snow. But when I'm out on a long ride on pavement I want something faster and lighter, so typically run 26-28 on my Rambouillet, but am currently running 23mm Continental Grand Prix ( a gift from my son). They feel very lively and haven't flatted once in the first 500 miles or so, and that was actually on the dirt road heading out from my home. michael On Jan 27, 11:30 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: Much is said about Rivs taking big tires, those advanced, low rolling resistance, low pressure tires that absorb shocks, stop flats, survive long tours across the tundra, and eliminate potentially hazardous resonances in areas of lipid storage. But when do you get too much of a good thing and your king of the road turns into a beach cruiser? Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 05:11 -0800, MichaelH wrote: I would second (or third) the views of Patrick and Angus. I live in a town with no paved roads, so I do a lot of dirt road riding, and almost every ride begins and ends with 2+ miles of dirt. However, I have never felt the need for really big tires. The biggest I am running are 38 Avocet Cross Tires, which measure out to 35 and have an inverted tread, so aren't too bad on pavement, and are great on dirt and even packed snow. But when I'm out on a long ride on pavement I want something faster and lighter, so typically run 26-28 on my Rambouillet, but am currently running 23mm Continental Grand Prix ( a gift from my son). They feel very lively and haven't flatted once in the first 500 miles or so, and that was actually on the dirt road heading out from my home. Two qualifications: 1. All dirt roads aren't the same. Some are soft and sandy, some are littered with ruts and large rocks, some are hard-packed gravel. What works on one surface may not work on another. 2. Weight matters. A tire that may glide on top of the gravel for a 100 lb person may sink in under the weight of 200 lb of rider. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
I must say that the variety of attitudes toward products made in the USA which get expressed on this site very often leave me scratching my head. Some people who fall all over themselves praising MUSA clothes, regularly diss and compare excellent US bike products to cheaper Tiawnese. About the only producer who escapes this is Phil Wood. The primary reason for buying local is the contribution to building a sense of community. I live in a rural state and have the opportunity to source a very high proportion of my food, some of my clothing and my grandsons toys from people in this state. These products are invariably more expensive, but the quality is excellent and they are my neighbors. All but one of my bicycle frames were made in Asia, and they are very good. However, I try to dress them up with local products - White hubs cranks; PW BB, Paul's brakes; Chris King HS. It's a community thing; I spend my money here and they pay their taxes here. One hand helps the other. michael, westford, Vt On Jan 28, 6:04 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: How so my friend? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 03:02:19 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis I think, Robert, that this all depends upon ones perspective. Angus On Jan 27, 1:45 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: If they are built here, they are better. Think about everything bad that's associated w/ a Taiwanese made product. On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Bob, I've had two Rivendells (non Atlantis) built by Waterford. They were very well done. I've had two Rivendell (one an Atlantis) built by Toyo. They were also very well done. I have not been able to detect a difference. Angus On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, kickstand plate and range of sizes. In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in builder? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: game changer dyno hub, bikes, cars, being green etc.
This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface. Flat out wrong. If there were fewer vehicles, we would not need as many streets/roads and those we would have would be subject to less stress. Ergo, we could use hardened cement which when done right is both more cush to ride on and durable than cheapo asphalt streets. On Jan 27, 8:51 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface.Taking things to the extreme also stirs thought and responses so...following the Grok idea to the extreme would lead to the most green way of life. Talk about low impact on the environment. I am aware that transitions from a sophisticated society to a primitive one are slower under normal circumstances. I often think of the ancient Egyptians, do we really know how technologically advanced they were? How much do we know of their understanding of medicine and science etc. ? How much information has survived of other ancient cultures and how sophisticated were they really? As an aside we've been on the paleolithic diet for a few weeks, more or less and its making a difference and I hope it will pay off when I bicycle. I'm definitely down with going electric, automobile wise also and may even try a motor on a cargo bike some day since I am a full 25 miles from the big city. What does this shotgun approach to posting have to do with Rivendell ? It seems Grant writes about stuff like this and I enjoy it when he does. One thing I do know is that I can hardly wait to get a dyno hub and generate my own electricity while bicycling. On Jan 27, 6:08 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jan 27, 10:54 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: My brother, you paint too gloomy a picture. If we run out of fossil fuels-there's more than one way skin a cat. All cars, trucks, trains (don't know about planes) will be electric, so buy GE stock early. You seem to only acknowledge that oil is for burning. However, oil is used for far more than burning for energy to power our cars, make electricity, etc. For example, almost all plastic and rubber is made from oil. Fertilizers that enabled the green revolution (this has nothing to do with being eco-friendly) are mostly made from fossil fuel (natural gas), so you are essentially eating oil. Even fairly recent innovations like pharmaceuticals are made from organic compounds that are derived from oil. This entire world basically runs on oil, and I'm not only taking transportation. It is surprising that not more people realize that. Should we really be burning however many gallons per mile of this precious resource, instead of using it for, for example, life-saving drugs or useful plastic items? -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
ON the other end of the spectrum, where I live there are essentially no UNpaved roads. I'm surrounded by private famland with a good network of paved roads in between farms. It's over an hour's drive to get to any significant unpaved roads. It's also a very long way to anywhere I'd want to camp, so S24O's from home are out. Most of my riding is done with the local bike club on an unloaded 'racing' bike and nominal 25 mm tires (the current set measure about 26 mm). Anything else just adds weight. The pavement we ride is rarely bad enough for comfort to be an issue. I use nominal 28's on my Riv Road, which is currently set up with a fixed gear, but those also measure about 26 mm. I commuted on 38 - 40 mm 650b tires last year and had a distressing number of flats, more than I had in many more miles of riding on skinnier tires on the same roads. This year I'm going back to 700c for commuting, running 35-622 Vittoria Randonneur Pro's that measure around 34 mm on my rims. The extra width didn't give me significantly more comfort on pavement, but I suspect that the wider contact patch picked up more thorns, wires, glass and such. I'll still ride the 650's some this year, more for easy solo rides and the rare out-of- town trips where I might get off the tarmac or need to carry extra supplies. I've owned 50-559 Marathon Supremes, and didn't find them to be all that wonderful on pavement. On a loaded tourer I might have felt differently. Bill On Jan 27, 8:30 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: Much is said about Rivs taking big tires, those advanced, low rolling resistance, low pressure tires that absorb shocks, stop flats, survive long tours across the tundra, and eliminate potentially hazardous resonances in areas of lipid storage. But when do you get too much of a good thing and your king of the road turns into a beach cruiser? Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
I've tried a range of tires on my Hilsen over the past 3 years-- Paselas (32, 35), Marathons (35s, 40s, and 47s), T-Serves (35s) and Jack Browns. I really like 700x35 size tires as it seems a good size for all-round riding and a fender fits easily and offers good coverage. I do 4 brevets a year and that seems to be the only time I really want a performance tire. Last year I used Jack Brown Greens and was fortunate to not have a flat during any of my brevets. I'm not sure what I'll use this year but it'll probably either be JB Greens or Panaracer T-Serves (32). --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
I like Pasela 35s for the max in 700c, at least on road applications. That's great for mixed terrain, and already feels like it borders a wagon wheel in terms of overall diameter. That's one of the benefits of 650B for me -- go as fat as 42mm and it feels fast and fantastic. Off-road is another story - full on 29er looks pretty good. On Jan 28, 6:49 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried a range of tires on my Hilsen over the past 3 years-- Paselas (32, 35), Marathons (35s, 40s, and 47s), T-Serves (35s) and Jack Browns. I really like 700x35 size tires as it seems a good size for all-round riding and a fender fits easily and offers good coverage. I do 4 brevets a year and that seems to be the only time I really want a performance tire. Last year I used Jack Brown Greens and was fortunate to not have a flat during any of my brevets. I'm not sure what I'll use this year but it'll probably either be JB Greens or Panaracer T-Serves (32). --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
I am 6'1, 230 lbs...big and heavy, ride lots of mixed terrain, and naturally gravitate to fat tires. The more I rode my Big Apple 2.35s (65mm) on paved road, however the more I began realizing their limitations for road. They're just a little too cumbersome. Unwilling to give up the blissful cushiness of these tires, I've switched to the Big Apple 2.0s (50mm), which I absolutely love. While they don't necessarily have quite the same grin-factor as the BIG fatties, they still provide a nice amount the cush, they fit much better under fenders, and I definitely feel the difference on the road. But I also agree it depends on what one expects from a tire. On my Nishiki Prestige (road bike) I run super skinny tires, because every now and then I still want to fly over smooth roads... No compromising speed and smoothness there. BB On Jan 28, 10:24 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I like Pasela 35s for the max in 700c, at least on road applications. That's great for mixed terrain, and already feels like it borders a wagon wheel in terms of overall diameter. That's one of the benefits of 650B for me -- go as fat as 42mm and it feels fast and fantastic. Off-road is another story - full on 29er looks pretty good. On Jan 28, 6:49 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried a range of tires on my Hilsen over the past 3 years-- Paselas (32, 35), Marathons (35s, 40s, and 47s), T-Serves (35s) and Jack Browns. I really like 700x35 size tires as it seems a good size for all-round riding and a fender fits easily and offers good coverage. I do 4 brevets a year and that seems to be the only time I really want a performance tire. Last year I used Jack Brown Greens and was fortunate to not have a flat during any of my brevets. I'm not sure what I'll use this year but it'll probably either be JB Greens or Panaracer T-Serves (32). --mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
FWIW, I got 3,500 miles out of a earlier model (circa 2006-7, IIRC) 571 Conti GP, this on the rear of my Riv fixie gofast. And not a huge number of flats, either. Not as cush as the even skinnier Turbos (only 1,500 on last rear) on the other Riv, but nice enough and fast and sturdy! A 559X28 mm Turbo would be the cat's meow. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:11 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I would second (or third) the views of Patrick and Angus. I live in a town with no paved roads, so I do a lot of dirt road riding, and almost every ride begins and ends with 2+ miles of dirt. However, I have never felt the need for really big tires. The biggest I am running are 38 Avocet Cross Tires, which measure out to 35 and have an inverted tread, so aren't too bad on pavement, and are great on dirt and even packed snow. But when I'm out on a long ride on pavement I want something faster and lighter, so typically run 26-28 on my Rambouillet, but am currently running 23mm Continental Grand Prix ( a gift from my son). They feel very lively and haven't flatted once in the first 500 miles or so, and that was actually on the dirt road heading out from my home. michael On Jan 27, 11:30 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: Much is said about Rivs taking big tires, those advanced, low rolling resistance, low pressure tires that absorb shocks, stop flats, survive long tours across the tundra, and eliminate potentially hazardous resonances in areas of lipid storage. But when do you get too much of a good thing and your king of the road turns into a beach cruiser? Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 26 inch light?
JGS, big improvement how? Fewer flats? Smoother ride? Faster? Grippier? Longer lasting? Cheers, Gernot On Jan 27, 7:44 pm, JGS jonat...@jonfipro.com wrote: Schwalbe marathon racer. Big improvement for me over the pasela On Jan 27, 6:49 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: How do the Ultra Gatorskins roll? Triple protection sounds slow and harsh I'm happy to fix flats in return for a fast, supple tire. (Again, to all, for context: IME, the Pasela was not sufficiently more comfortable, was certainly slower, and certainly flatted more and had more sidewall problems, than the skinny Tubos and GPs.) Try the GPs. I don't know how your 26er is designed, but on my two, with long chainstays, I am always surprised at how comfortable my 571X23s are. Of course, I run them lowish: again, 80 to 90/90 to 100 at 170 -- no, never have pinch flats. Generally good pavement, but they do well, as I said, on buzzy stuff, too. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I've gotten more flats with the 32mm Pasela TGs than any other tire. The 37mm (non TG) Paselas have yet to flat. I agree with you on Conti. The 28 mm Ultra Gatorskins are hard to beat for flat free high mileage tires and are reasonable comfy at 85 psi (116 max on the label). They are less comfortable than the 32 Pasela though. I also have a pair of 25 mm Grand Prixs that have yet to tried out. They just look too skinny to me anymore. YMMV. Literally From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 5:03:22 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] 26 inch light? Unfortunately, there is a big gap in 559 tires between the very few top quality, supple ones, which are all skinny (all? Conti Grand Prix is all I know of that is currently made) and fatter but wooden utility tires, the Paselas, 1.25 and 1.5 being a rare exception: and even the Paselas are not top of the line supple and fast, more like halfway between utility/cheap and soft/fast. ... I am currently using GPs on the 571'd gofast and 559 OS Specialized Turbos (even better) on the Commuter, but these are respectively 23 mm and 22 mm on narrow rims. But they are still nice! -- I'd rathe ride them than Paselas: faster, softer (really: at 80/90 to 90/100, and with the Rivs' long stays, they are surprisingly good over high freq, low amp buzz; the 1.25 Paselas weren't much better and they flatted more -- go figure; this is goathead land. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 26 inch light?
I still lament the late great Avocet Fasgrips. Is the Kojak the closest thing now available in 700x35? I have Marathon Supremes in 700x42 and like them very well (except they don't fit with my fenders). I imagine the Marathon Racer line is just a bit more supple, lighter and a bit less durable. On Jan 27, 9:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I have about 1600 miles on the Kojaks in a variety of non-winter conditions, including hundreds of miles of gravel, and have not had any issues with traction. Most of the tread on non-knobby tires is cosmetic anyway...lots of people share these concerns about slick tires, so tire manufacturers add texture. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 26 inch light?
In fact, slick tires probably provide the most traction in wet conditions. Jobst on the subject: http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/slicks.html On Jan 27, 9:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I have about 1600 miles on the Kojaks in a variety of non-winter conditions, including hundreds of miles of gravel, and have not had any issues with traction. Most of the tread on non-knobby tires is cosmetic anyway...lots of people share these concerns about slick tires, so tire manufacturers add texture. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 26 inch light?
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, slick tires probably provide the most traction in wet conditions. Jobst on the subject: http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/slicks.html I won't swear to the science behind this (though it makes sense to me) but I will say that I've done a lot of riding on slicks (Avocets mostly) in the Pacific Northwet and never had a problem due to the tread or lack thereof. This includes both singles and tandems. I'm actually looking for new light, flexible slicks in the 26x1.5 range for both the tandem and the Mariposa. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
One - I am a 200 lb rider. Two - the same dirt road isn't necessarily the same on two different days. If they have just been graded they will be soft and sandy; if they have been driven on for a while they will be pact, but might be rocky or rutted; if it's been dry and hot they will get corrugated and awful; if it raining or its thawing they will be muddy. If its snowing they could be hard packed and firm or soft and slippery. When you ride out in the morning, don't be surprised if the road feels quite different in the evening. Three - I'm only sharing my own experiences of living with dirt roads for the past 20 years. michael On Jan 28, 8:27 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 05:11 -0800, MichaelH wrote: I would second (or third) the views of Patrick and Angus. I live in a town with no paved roads, so I do a lot of dirt road riding, and almost every ride begins and ends with 2+ miles of dirt. However, I have never felt the need for really big tires. The biggest I am running are 38 Avocet Cross Tires, which measure out to 35 and have an inverted tread, so aren't too bad on pavement, and are great on dirt and even packed snow. But when I'm out on a long ride on pavement I want something faster and lighter, so typically run 26-28 on my Rambouillet, but am currently running 23mm Continental Grand Prix ( a gift from my son). They feel very lively and haven't flatted once in the first 500 miles or so, and that was actually on the dirt road heading out from my home. Two qualifications: 1. All dirt roads aren't the same. Some are soft and sandy, some are littered with ruts and large rocks, some are hard-packed gravel. What works on one surface may not work on another. 2. Weight matters. A tire that may glide on top of the gravel for a 100 lb person may sink in under the weight of 200 lb of rider. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
For those familiar with routes in the South (San Francisco) Bay area, can you recommend a route from San Jose to Santa Cruz? My wife and I are taking the train down to San Jose then riding to Santa Cruz to stay overnight. Google suggests a route that includes Los Gatos Creek Trail and kind of goes along the highway (17). I also found a route that goes to Saratoga, then up to the ridge on Big Basin Way and then follows HWY 9 to Santa Cruz. We would like to avoid cars as much as possible, and enjoy some good scenery. Since we are staying at a hotel, we won't be carrying too much stuff. I am thinking about taking my Bleriot, which has just received a VO front constructeur rack and a Campagne bag (I had sitting around). She will probably take her Trek 620. It should be fun. Franklyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz (Bleriot Pictures)
By the way, Some pictures (the 5 most recent ones) of the Bleriot. http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157625675713501/with/5395641977/ Franklyn On Jan 28, 10:16 am, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: For those familiar with routes in the South (San Francisco) Bay area, can you recommend a route from San Jose to Santa Cruz? My wife and I are taking the train down to San Jose then riding to Santa Cruz to stay overnight. Google suggests a route that includes Los Gatos Creek Trail and kind of goes along the highway (17). I also found a route that goes to Saratoga, then up to the ridge on Big Basin Way and then follows HWY 9 to Santa Cruz. We would like to avoid cars as much as possible, and enjoy some good scenery. Since we are staying at a hotel, we won't be carrying too much stuff. I am thinking about taking my Bleriot, which has just received a VO front constructeur rack and a Campagne bag (I had sitting around). She will probably take her Trek 620. It should be fun. Franklyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 26 inch light?
They just feel lighter and faster to me. They have flatted 2 or 3 times which is more that the T-Servs I used to have. But I live and ride in NYC which is kind of rough on tires -- plenty of broken glass. On Jan 28, 11:38 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: JGS, big improvement how? Fewer flats? Smoother ride? Faster? Grippier? Longer lasting? Cheers, Gernot On Jan 27, 7:44 pm, JGS jonat...@jonfipro.com wrote: Schwalbe marathon racer. Big improvement for me over the pasela On Jan 27, 6:49 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: How do the Ultra Gatorskins roll? Triple protection sounds slow and harsh I'm happy to fix flats in return for a fast, supple tire. (Again, to all, for context: IME, the Pasela was not sufficiently more comfortable, was certainly slower, and certainly flatted more and had more sidewall problems, than the skinny Tubos and GPs.) Try the GPs. I don't know how your 26er is designed, but on my two, with long chainstays, I am always surprised at how comfortable my 571X23s are. Of course, I run them lowish: again, 80 to 90/90 to 100 at 170 -- no, never have pinch flats. Generally good pavement, but they do well, as I said, on buzzy stuff, too. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I've gotten more flats with the 32mm Pasela TGs than any other tire. The 37mm (non TG) Paselas have yet to flat. I agree with you on Conti. The 28 mm Ultra Gatorskins are hard to beat for flat free high mileage tires and are reasonable comfy at 85 psi (116 max on the label). They are less comfortable than the 32 Pasela though. I also have a pair of 25 mm Grand Prixs that have yet to tried out. They just look too skinny to me anymore. YMMV. Literally From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 5:03:22 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] 26 inch light? Unfortunately, there is a big gap in 559 tires between the very few top quality, supple ones, which are all skinny (all? Conti Grand Prix is all I know of that is currently made) and fatter but wooden utility tires, the Paselas, 1.25 and 1.5 being a rare exception: and even the Paselas are not top of the line supple and fast, more like halfway between utility/cheap and soft/fast. ... I am currently using GPs on the 571'd gofast and 559 OS Specialized Turbos (even better) on the Commuter, but these are respectively 23 mm and 22 mm on narrow rims. But they are still nice! -- I'd rathe ride them than Paselas: faster, softer (really: at 80/90 to 90/100, and with the Rivs' long stays, they are surprisingly good over high freq, low amp buzz; the 1.25 Paselas weren't much better and they flatted more -- go figure; this is goathead land. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
I've only done old santa cruz highway, I know highway 9 can get pretty congested with cars, but I've never descended highway 9 on the back side to SC. the road are really nice, fresh tar and downhill bring a smile to my face! i'll send you my gpx file. i live in SJ and i've ridden out to captiola and back when training for an event. -Eduardo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
How far do you want to ride? If you get off the train in Palo Alto, you can ride up to Skyline and wind through Castle Rock, Big Basin, and Henry Cowell state parks. It's about 50 miles and should be relatively uncrowded. Lots of trees and shade, so it can get cool but quite scenic. jim m wc ca On Jan 28, 10:16 am, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: For those familiar with routes in the South (San Francisco) Bay area, can you recommend a route from San Jose to Santa Cruz? My wife and I are taking the train down to San Jose then riding to Santa Cruz to stay overnight. Google suggests a route that includes Los Gatos Creek Trail and kind of goes along the highway (17). I also found a route that goes to Saratoga, then up to the ridge on Big Basin Way and then follows HWY 9 to Santa Cruz. We would like to avoid cars as much as possible, and enjoy some good scenery. Since we are staying at a hotel, we won't be carrying too much stuff. I am thinking about taking my Bleriot, which has just received a VO front constructeur rack and a Campagne bag (I had sitting around). She will probably take her Trek 620. It should be fun. Franklyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
My preferred route is to take the Los Gatos Creek trail up to Lexington Reservoir, take Alma Bridge Road along the east side of the reservoir, and take Old Santa Cruz highway to Summit Road, to Soquel San Jose Road, and take that down to Soquel. There is a fair amount of traffic on Soquel San Jose Road as you approach Soquel. The Google Maps route takes you down Mountain Charlie, which I've gone up, but not down. It's narrow, steep, and has rough pavement. It's a popular route northbound (its steep grades attract a lot of climbers), but I don't hear of people taking it in the southbound direction much. I've taken Highway 9 too. It is okay early on weekend mornings, but there is quite a bit more traffic than Old Santa Cruz Highway/Soquel San Jose. Horace. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: For those familiar with routes in the South (San Francisco) Bay area, can you recommend a route from San Jose to Santa Cruz? My wife and I are taking the train down to San Jose then riding to Santa Cruz to stay overnight. Google suggests a route that includes Los Gatos Creek Trail and kind of goes along the highway (17). I also found a route that goes to Saratoga, then up to the ridge on Big Basin Way and then follows HWY 9 to Santa Cruz. We would like to avoid cars as much as possible, and enjoy some good scenery. Since we are staying at a hotel, we won't be carrying too much stuff. I am thinking about taking my Bleriot, which has just received a VO front constructeur rack and a Campagne bag (I had sitting around). She will probably take her Trek 620. It should be fun. Franklyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
thanks to Jim and Eduardo, I am taking Amtrak to San Jose train station. If I have to go to Palo Alto I will need to take caltrain north. Eduardo, please send me the GPS file, how do I view it? (I don't have a GPS device) Franklyn On Jan 28, 10:50 am, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: How far do you want to ride? If you get off the train in Palo Alto, you can ride up to Skyline and wind through Castle Rock, Big Basin, and Henry Cowell state parks. It's about 50 miles and should be relatively uncrowded. Lots of trees and shade, so it can get cool but quite scenic. jim m wc ca On Jan 28, 10:16 am, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: For those familiar with routes in the South (San Francisco) Bay area, can you recommend a route from San Jose to Santa Cruz? My wife and I are taking the train down to San Jose then riding to Santa Cruz to stay overnight. Google suggests a route that includes Los Gatos Creek Trail and kind of goes along the highway (17). I also found a route that goes to Saratoga, then up to the ridge on Big Basin Way and then follows HWY 9 to Santa Cruz. We would like to avoid cars as much as possible, and enjoy some good scenery. Since we are staying at a hotel, we won't be carrying too much stuff. I am thinking about taking my Bleriot, which has just received a VO front constructeur rack and a Campagne bag (I had sitting around). She will probably take her Trek 620. It should be fun. Franklyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 700c vs. 650b, again
Personally, my next bike will be a 650B with 42mm Hetres (the AHH can't fit Hetres, and for me personally, a 650B bike that can't fit Hetres doesn't make sense). Ahem! http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5048546786/in/set-72157624977899459/ On Jan 28, 2:12 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, my next bike will be a 650B with 42mm Hetres (the AHH can't fit Hetres, and for me personally, a 650B bike that can't fit Hetres doesn't make sense). Living in Asia, I chose the 56cm Hillborne over the 52 partly because it has 700C wheels. But the only 700C rims available here in Thailand are cheap Alex racing rims, or 20 spoke wonder wheels. I actually had 2 rims destroyed here in 2 years, and the best I could do was NOS neon yellow anodized Mavic Open Pros shipped up from Bangkok with a multi- day wait. In other words, for the types of rims we like and use, they won't be available in Russia or Timbuktu in either 700C or 650B. Though in an emergency, a skinny, not-appropriate-for-touring 700C rim can probably be found, while a 650B rim will not (former French colonies excepted). So I just bring back rims from the States, or get friends to bring them. Now I wonder if I should have picked the 52cm Sam (though the 56cm is probably a better fit, being only a tiny bit too big, and my other bike is too small), because I think Hetres are ideal for the mixed surface riding I love. Btw, judging from growing up 200 miles from Berlin, there are probably plenty of sometimes sandy dirt roads (Feldwege) around Berlin, so you may still want the widest tires you can fit. I bet you can get either the 55 or the 56 to fit you perfectly, and without trying them out, there is no way of knowing which would be more nearly perfect. If you want fast supple wide tires (35-45mm), 650B is the way to go. but for me the best of the bunch is the Hetre, and it don't fit the AHH, so even tire choice is a wash. I assume the 650B SOMA is as good as a Pasela (I believe it IS a Pasela), so no difference there (I like my 35mm Paselas, which measure closer to 37mm on Synergy rims). The 650B Pacenti Pari Moto 38mm has no equivalent in 700C, but it is a very thin tire designed specifically for competition, and thus may not be the right tire for you (expensive and doesn't last very long). If you have no desire to run the Pari Moto, then 650B has little advantage on an AHH. So, bottom line, go with the 700C for peace of mind, but don't fool yourself into easy parts availability worldwide, especially if you are getting 36 hole rims. The only rims that are reasonably available worldwide are *32* hole 26 rims. I had to order a 36 hole 26 rim for my tandem from the UK. Nothing available in 36 holes in Thailand, not even in Bangkok. Cheers, Gernot On Jan 27, 1:03 pm, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: Vietnam was a French colony and the 650B is a French size so I can see how that would be especially since bikes are never thrown away in rural Asia. Hong Kong and China were never French. Also Hong Kong is a place where people look for the latest techno-glitzyness-gadgety stuff. 650B doesn't fit that image. One of the nicer bike shops refused to work on my Sam because it wasn't a carbon-fibre-dura-ace-indexed-sub 9.5kg-ego-raising-racer-wanna-be machine. They didn't have parts that would fit it and saw no reason to order them for me. Another one asked if the bike more than 30 years old; but he was admiring it. The only shop that will ork with me here is Flying ball and they are too far away from where I live and work. It is just easier to order tires online and have them mailed. Wheels are problematic because they cost a lot to ship. When I went to Shanghai last summer I was really worried about tires and wheels. I kind of wish I had the non-cantilever version Sam because then I might be able to run either 650B-650C or 700c on the frame given the clearance by simply changing out a caliper. Being able to do that would make the bike really versatile but the bosses get in the way of that on the frame I have now. Idiot that I am I didn't think that tire size would be an issue here before I bought the frame On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Fai, I was surprised to find a lot of 650B when I was in Hanoi: http://tinyurl.com/4p2785t Nicole: I think a wider tire would help calm down the twitchy handling. Best, Lee San Francisco, CA On Jan 26, 3:50 pm, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about Russia. I do know that you can't buy 650b tires in Asia unless you have them imported yourself. If I had it to do over again I'd have upped my Sam Hillborne by a size to get the 700c wheel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: 700c vs. 650b, again
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 11:05 -0800, William wrote: Personally, my next bike will be a 650B with 42mm Hetres (the AHH can't fit Hetres, and for me personally, a 650B bike that can't fit Hetres doesn't make sense). Ahem! http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5048546786/in/set-72157624977899459/ I wonder, does frame size matter here? And William - where doesn't the Hetre fit on your AHH? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
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[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
On Jan 27, 8:30 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: Aside from Riv gatherings where riders compare tire widths, when is bigger not better? For me, I would say when the width changes the bike's handling detrimentally. And, when increased width is accompanied by increased weight to the point where you're not happy with how the bike climbs, accelerates, and rolls. This is kind of how I evaluate any tire, though, not just the fat ones. Just my two itty bitty cents. Happy Friday, everyone! Lee San Francisco, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 700c vs. 650b, again
And William - where doesn't the Hetre fit on your AHH? Steve, A Hetre does fit on my AHH, with massive room to spare for fenders. My photo documentation was to prove wrong the claim that an AHH can't fit Hetres. And my bike is Earl Grey's size, too (most likely..a 58). And Riv has like 8 of these frames in stock! Not only does the AHH 'make sense' for Earl Grey, it also makes sense for him to buy one IMMEDIATELY. On Jan 28, 11:07 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 11:05 -0800, William wrote: Personally, my next bike will be a 650B with 42mm Hetres (the AHH can't fit Hetres, and for me personally, a 650B bike that can't fit Hetres doesn't make sense). Ahem! http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5048546786/in/set-721576249... I wonder, does frame size matter here? And William - where doesn't the Hetre fit on your AHH? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, franklyn sini...@msn.com wrote: For those familiar with routes in the South (San Francisco) Bay area, can you recommend a route from San Jose to Santa Cruz? My wife and I are taking the train down to San Jose then riding to Santa Cruz to stay overnight. Google suggests a route that includes Los Gatos Creek Trail and kind of goes along the highway (17). I also found a route that goes to Saratoga, then up to the ridge on Big Basin Way and then follows HWY 9 to Santa Cruz. I've ridden in both those areas many times. The Highway 9 route from Saratoga to Boulder Creek is wonderful, but Highway 9 from Boulder Creek to Santa Cruz is busy and narrow. It's not terrible, but on a weekend there might be more traffic than you like. The Los Gatos Creek Trail route is also a winner. Ride to Los Gatos and up the Creek Trail (which is not paved). At the top of the trail, at the dam, instead of going left on Alma Bridge Road to go around Lexington Reservoir counterclockwise, if it's dry, go right. When you are just feet from Highway 17, take a left on the single track trail around the reservoir clockwise. In dry weather, that singletrack is fine for 28 mm tires or wider. Your Bleriot would be happy and comfortable there; it's not a technical trail at all. That singletrack is less than a mile, and puts you on Old Santa Cruz Highway. You continue on Old Santa Cruz to Summit Road. There, you could go right, cross over Highway 17, and go down Mountain Charlie Road. However, I agree with other commenters that Mountain Charlie is considerably better ascending than descending. I advise you go left. Now you're heading south on Summit Road. You have a choice here. You can go down San Jose Soquel Road, a well paved, fairly fast descent which can be busy and which isn't particularly scenic. Or, if you're not in a hurry, you can stay on Summit until it turns into Highland Way, and head down the gorgeous, remote Eureka Canyon Road. Highland/Eureka Canyon is not well paved. It's definitely better in the mostly uphill direction, but still quite beautiful in the direction you'd be going. Be ready. Though it's predominantly downhill, you'll climb some. When you get down to the flat, you'll make your way to Soquel Road and go north a dozen miles or so to Santa Cruz. If you're doing a round trip, I'd suggest Los Gatos Creek Trail/Old Santa Cruz/San Jose Soquel Road outbound, and Eureka Canyon/Highland/Old Santa Cruz on the way back. On the return trip, rather than taking the singletrack, you can take the road. You'd be sort of riding on Highway 17, but not exactly-- you're always on the onramp/offramp, never truly merging onto 17, there is a decent shoulder, and it's less than a mile. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 700c vs. 650b, again
Thanks, everyone, for an interesting discussion. Glad to hear from Dan that a 55 is a good fit for him with his PBH. I went ahead and ordered that size, and I'm mostly happy with the decision. For the cobblestones and sandy roads outside of Berlin, I'll try to go with some wider tires, maybe 35s or 38s. As for wheel sizes abroad, it seems like we're screwed no matter what, and I'm fine with that. My big dream for this coming summer or fall is to ride from Berlin to Kaliningrad (Russia), about 600km. I've been in Kaliningrad before, know the roads are terrible. But I've also been to the bike shop there, where the bike shop employee let me rent one of her personal bikes for a couple of months. It was a Bridgestone -- a good sign! The only regret, as others mentioned, is not being able to have that magical combination of 650B+Hetres. But that's all the more reason to start dreaming about getting another bike. Once I pay off some of those student loans, that is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Route from San Jose to Santa Cruz
I've lived in the area (Redwood Estates, at the summit of Hwy 17) for over a decade, and ridden all the roads in the area many times. Personally, I love riding both directions on Mountain Charlie, and commuted that route to Santa Cruz for years, but I admit, it's kinda' rough. As an alternative, the descent from Summit on Soquel-San Jose road is marvelous -- lovely high speed sweepers that hardly require brakes (as long as the cars get out of your way!) So I would echo the LG Creek Trail from Willow Glen (entrance is just off Meridan) to Lexington. Alma Bridge road around the east side (CW) of the reservoir is beautiful, but it adds a bit of distance, so if you want to reduce the mileage, the trail along the west (CCW) is a good option in dry weather. Old SC Hwy to Summit, Summit to Soquel-San Jose... then Soquel Dr in to SC. (or find your way down to the water's edge - Opal Cliffs, East Cliff, Portola, etc) For the return, I would recommend Branciforte to Glen Canyon to Green Hills, which changes to S. Navarra (East frontage road to Hwy 17 thru Scotts Valley) to Granite Creek, across 17 then Glenwood to Mountain Charlie. The best thing about Mountain Charlie is how little traffic there is. I've ridden that entire 5 mile stretch and seen as few as two cars the whole way up. Beautiful scenery and far enough from Hwy 17 that you don't hear it. Mountain Charlie is the original stagecoach road over the mountains, and the road was built in sort of a stairstep fashion (short steep climbs, then flatter sections) so that the horses could recover between climbs, rather than one long steady grade. Works well for cyclists too! ;-) At the top of Mtn Charlie, you can cross 17 (on Summit) then turn immediately left on the continuation of Mountain Charlie, which takes you steeply down to join up with Old SC Hwy... Sounds like a great weekend trip. Have fun! cheers, Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supremes
Strangely enough, I find about the same thing with my Sam Hillborne. The 40mm Supremes can be slow and heavy. Although not all the time. While the frame can handle them, I was a bit happier last year on Pasela 35s on my particular SH. Otherwise, I have a set of Supremes 26x2.0 on a different bike and it is quite a good riding experience. Although not quite as cushy as with Big Apples. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 27, 8:22 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've got 40mm Supremes on my Sam Hillborne.. I found them to be slow and heavy, though bulletproof. I've also got some Mara Racers on a Romulus.. extremely light and fast. Of course the 36 spoke Mavic versus 20 spoke Neuvation might have something to do with it, too. Best, Andrew On Jan 27, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Ron MH wrote: Ive been riding 32mm Supremes on my Quickbeam with one flat in about 1500mi. I doubt many tires would deflect a shiny new sheet metal screw. I've been very happy with the Supremes. However, I am jonesing for a set of Schwalbe Marathon Racers. Here's a shot of the 'beam with the Supremes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/visiondrawn/5210495113/sizes/l/in/photos... On Jan 27, 2:46 pm, Jennings jkguinn...@yahoo.com wrote: My Pillar has been Hunqified. Just posted pics on my flickr account for anyone who wants to see. Rode around the neighborhood and they are really smooth. You can see them here.http://www.flickr.com/photos/22765148@N02/sets/72157625334333105/ On Jan 27, 10:22 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Please post pictures of your Hunqa with those tires on them. Sounds like a great set-up. On Jan 27, 4:40 am, Jennings jkguinn...@yahoo.com wrote: My 700x50 supremes were delivered yesterday by UPS. Can't wait to get them on the Hunq and try them ou this weekend.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
At 225 pounds, and often carrying things on the bike, I find that anything less than 35mm is just too narrow for me. Funny, because a few years ago when I weighed 300 pounds, a Bianchi Volpe with Vittoria Randonneur 700x32 tires was just fine. Can tires be too big? With my limited experience it's bike dependent. My Sam Hillborne doesn't seem to like 700x40 Marathon Supremes as well as 700x35 Pasela TGs. However, with non-Rivendell bikes, the Salsa Fargo seems to be really happy with the WTB Vulpine 2.1s which I ride both on and off pavement. The only limitations there are the rider. For a bike such as the Surly LHT in the larger size with 26 wheels have discovered that two inch wide tires are pretty much a sweet spot in handling. For winter, 1.75s studded tires work, but the handling and ride characteristics are not as nice. When I had the Atlantis, the bike just loved Big Apple 2.0s. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 28, 2:03 pm, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: running 35-622 Vittoria Randonneur Pro's that measure around 34 mm on my rims. The extra width didn't give me significantly more comfort on pavement Talking about tire size makes sense only when comparing similar casings. Given a choice between a harsh-riding 35 mm tire (like most Schwalbes) and a 24 mm hand-made clincher like the now-gone Challenge Triathlon, I'll prefer the racing tire any day. We have found that casing and construction have a much greater effect on comfort and performance than tire width. Once you compare apples to apples, the wider tires obviously have more air and thus can run at lower pressures without degrading performance or risking pinch-flats. If you live in a place with glass-smooth roads or ride on the track mostly, you probably get very few benefits beyond 25 or 28 mm width. However, there are few disadvantages until you reach about 42 mm (when it becomes hard to make a bike with narrow crank tread/Q factor), so why not go a bit wider, for the day when the road has been chipsealed or you go on that trail where roots have pushed up the pavement? Of course, I live in Seattle, where the roads and trails are so bumpy that even 32 mm tires feel awfully narrow. And then you have streetcar and railroad tracks. Even if you know how to bunny-hop them, it's nice not having to worry about them. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly Follow our blog athttp://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
Very interesting discussion and observations. I particularly liked Jan's insights. Being down to 252 lbs (from 285 last year) I currently run the 50mm Supremes on my Atlantis with 36 spoked Dyad rims and 35mm Supremes on my Homer with 32 spoked Open Pro rims. I didn't like the feel of the 65mm BA tires on my Bombadil and couldn't really tell any significant difference between the 50mm BAs I used for a while in the summer when I got the Atlantis and the 50mm Supremes I put afterwards for their lighter weight and added protection. I could do a side by side comparison as I have two sets of Dyad wheels, but haven't yet. Here is my question: Will the width of the rim play a significant role in how a tire feels, or for that matter, hoe the bike will feel? I find that the Homer wheels are a bit flexy but only notice that when climbing out of the saddle since the front tire rub the fender somewhere. I've thought of putting the same tires on the second set of Dyad rims but was wondering if I'm going to gain anything from the wider rims with more spokes. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: running 35-622 Vittoria Randonneur Pro's that measure around 34 mm on my rims. The extra width didn't give me significantly more comfort on pavement Talking about tire size makes sense only when comparing similar casings. Given a choice between a harsh-riding 35 mm tire (like most Schwalbes) and a 24 mm hand-made clincher like the now-gone Challenge Triathlon, I'll prefer the racing tire any day. We have found that casing and construction have a much greater effect on comfort and performance than tire width. Once you compare apples to apples, the wider tires obviously have more air and thus can run at lower pressures without degrading performance or risking pinch-flats. If you live in a place with glass-smooth roads or ride on the track mostly, you probably get very few benefits beyond 25 or 28 mm width. However, there are few disadvantages until you reach about 42 mm (when it becomes hard to make a bike with narrow crank tread/Q factor), so why not go a bit wider, for the day when the road has been chipsealed or you go on that trail where roots have pushed up the pavement? Of course, I live in Seattle, where the roads and trails are so bumpy that even 32 mm tires feel awfully narrow. And then you have streetcar and railroad tracks. Even if you know how to bunny-hop them, it's nice not having to worry about them. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Touring Wheelset question
I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 26 inch light?
OK - I stopped at my LBS (Free Range Cycles - Seattle) and they had the Kojaks in 50-559, so I grabbed a pair. Next time I'm in Mpls (this summer) I'll stop in at Hiawatha and let you know how they work in the Seattle rain :) They definitely feel lighter, and it will be nice to retain the cush on this bike. Brian On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I have about 1600 miles on the Kojaks in a variety of non-winter conditions, including hundreds of miles of gravel, and have not had any issues with traction. Most of the tread on non-knobby tires is cosmetic anyway...lots of people share these concerns about slick tires, so tire manufacturers add texture. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
For what it's worth, last season we outfitted a our touring tandem with the DaVinci V23 rim in 26 and put Marathon Racers 1.6 tires on it. The team weighs about 340 lbs( and the bike weighs about 40) and more than half our riding has been on dirt roads, no single track. Very strong rims, especially in 26. I don't think you need 40 holes on a 26 rim, 36 will do fine. These are V shaped 23 mm wide. Here's the link: http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html There build prices are very reasonable. No flats last season on the Marathon Racers, either. michael On Jan 28, 4:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supremes
I started on Marathon ?? Plus / Supreme.. the ones with the flat protection you could put a thumb tack in without a puncture. Two different tires. Marathon plus is the tire with the real thick inner layer: http://smtp.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_plus_tour It is designed for people riding in very rugged conditions as one might find in rural Africa or South America. The Supreme is a lighter tire made with a special flat resistant compound: http://smtp.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_supreme It has less rolling resistance than the plus. Then I bought my Bombadil with 700x50 Big Apples.. WOW.. why would anyone tour on anything less that that? If you have a bike that can accommodate Big Apples they are definitely worth considering. Very comfortable tires. On Jan 27, 11:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I started on Marathon ?? Plus / Supreme.. the ones with the flat protection you could put a thumb tack in without a puncture. I first ran these 700x28's on a tour between Boulder Colorado and St Louis Mo. The sold me along the way as I drank coffee and watched friends patch tubes from goat heads. (multiple times daily) Great story, one of my friends took his tire of to patch the tube and it had six holes in it. I just rode and enjoyed. I then went to the 700x35's for the next several tours, all short one week things. I loved the extra stability and the better ride. Once again I've never had a flat with these tires. I will continue to use them on tours but they are too heavy for daily riding in my opinion. For daily riding I'm loving the JB's. Then I bought my Bombadil with 700x50 Big Apples.. WOW.. why would anyone tour on anything less that that? Ok why would I (and won't) ever tour on anything less than that. It's just a marvelous feeling loaded up. Stability, good roll etc. So I'll have to see if the Big Apple has the same quality protection or not before the next tour.. but I'm just sold on bigger tires period... Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Betty Foy questions
Hello RBW'rs I am investigating the Betty Foy for my wife. She current has a SOMA Buena Vista, and it's ok, but too small for her. So the key questions for me: Will the 58cm Foy fit Hetres? and What's the trail on that fork? (This may be on the website, and I might have just missed it completely) Thanks Jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: When is a tire too big?
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:47 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: At 225 pounds, and often carrying things on the bike, I find that anything less than 35mm is just too narrow for me. Funny, because a few years ago when I weighed 300 pounds, a Bianchi Volpe with Vittoria Randonneur 700x32 tires was just fine. To chime in with a different perspective, I regularly carry 30 lb loads on the rear of my '73 Motobecane and the 29 mm actual IRC Tandems handle it all with grace and aplomb, even on smooth-ish dirt and gravel. I've carried up to 45 lb, rear, with the same tires with no problems. Now, I must admit that I chose tires in the 28-30 mm range because I often ride the bike with much smaller loads, but I haven't yet wished for anything much bigger. I'm 170, buck nekkid. Can tires be too big? With my limited experience it's bike dependent. My Sam Hillborne doesn't seem to like 700x40 Marathon Supremes as well as 700x35 Pasela TGs. However, with non-Rivendell bikes, the Salsa Fargo seems to be really happy with the WTB Vulpine 2.1s which I ride both on and off pavement. The only limitations there are the rider. For a bike such as the Surly LHT in the larger size with 26 wheels have discovered that two inch wide tires are pretty much a sweet spot in handling. I found the same with my late, early '90s Diamond Back Axis Team Weirdo Fixie. With 559X60 BAs, that bike handled very sweetly -- sedate compared to a good road bike like my skinny tire'd 559/571 Rivs, but sweetly. And the 12 high bb allowed me to carve into turns pedaling away happily with no bad results. OTOH, other similar mtbs with, say, 1.25s or, even worse, 1 Turbos, did not handle nearly as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 18:05 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: I'm not saying we have to be green, but every product has to be shipped by plane, boat or something equally inefficient from a long way away. You'll have to ride it every day, a long way to offset that. The wages are paid to someone who will spend that money... not here. You on the other hand will pay a little less to support that person, but will pay a lot more in taxes, to support the person(s) you did not pay for his labor etc., here. You will pay taxes on borrowed money (mostly form mainland China). It's true that there are wars etc., to support , also w/ borrowed money. That's besides the point here. If the product is equal in quality and every other facet of its existence doesn't it make sense to spend that money here, even if it's a little more? So, you are against all international trade? I'm not a big business supporter but I'm always amazed when people talk about the greed of big business. They, just like a person who is thrifty or cheap, just want to keep more of what they earn. The numbers are just larger but it's all relative. So by purchasing something made overseas that can be sourced here is in effect screwing your fellow American, even if unknowingly, or unintended. And to top it off, it's often said that every one of those borrowed dollars, that's paid in unemployment returns $1.60 to the economy. Then why don't we just lay everybody off and watch things take right off! I find arguments like this much more persuasive when they focus on things like importing garlic from mainland China (like, we don't grow garlic here?) than bicycle frames and components from Taiwan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
Jeremy Anxiously awaiting delivery of my wife's Betty,and I have had a similar question about Hetres. Never got an unambiguous answer, but did discover that Renaissance apparently fitted a Betty with Hetres, though there was some question about fender fit. I'm playing it by ear _ ordered the Fatty Rumpkins, nominal 40s, which Keven believes will handle the SKS fenders fine, though the additional substance of the Honjos and their like may be a tighter squeeze, we worry. Short of it: Without fenders, general opinion seems to be yes; with fenders, the general opinion seems to be a mumbling maybe. Hope others wil speak to us both more directly about this ... Trail _ I shouldn't pretend to be the least expert in sorting that out, but Grant has made an interesting case that trail numbers in isolation don't mean much in the performance of Riv bikes, and I've found that seems to be true for my Saluki. Regardless of trail, I wouldn't have much concern about loading up the front of a Betty, and have noticed that most buyers do. Bill On Jan 28, 3:54 pm, Jeremy Smith smith.jer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello RBW'rs I am investigating the Betty Foy for my wife. She current has a SOMA Buena Vista, and it's ok, but too small for her. So the key questions for me: Will the 58cm Foy fit Hetres? and What's the trail on that fork? (This may be on the website, and I might have just missed it completely) Thanks Jeremy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
My wife has a 52 Betty (well, an Yves if you want to get technical). I have a wheelset with Hetres, so I could throw those wheels on and photograph the clearances. The Yves is not running fenders at the moment. I have no doubt I could fit fenders, but I've been happily using SKS plastics. Having not set up a set of Honjos or Berthouds, I don't know how much more intrusive they are than SKS. I would hope they dont take up any more room. If they fit through the brakes, they ought to take the tires, because Hetres fit in Silver calipers with plenty of room. Regarding trail, there's online trail calculators on the web. You enter headtube angle, rim ERD, tire diameter, and fork rake. For a 58 Betty, that's 70 degrees, 584mm, 42mm(for a Hetre), and 53mm rake. yojimg.net has a calculator that using those numbers comes out to: 66.6mm On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
Here's the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5396494939/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397091824/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092882/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092378/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092082/ The tightest squeeze is the clearance on the sides for the diagonal stays. Those are hard to photograph, behind the brake caliper. Furthermore, the geometry might be a little different there on a 58. It looks do-able to me, but if you tried to put fenders in there that are WAY wider than Hetres, they may interfere, and you'd have to bend metal and such. I'm sure I could do it with SKS P45's. On Jan 28, 5:17 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: My wife has a 52 Betty (well, an Yves if you want to get technical). I have a wheelset with Hetres, so I could throw those wheels on and photograph the clearances. The Yves is not running fenders at the moment. I have no doubt I could fit fenders, but I've been happily using SKS plastics. Having not set up a set of Honjos or Berthouds, I don't know how much more intrusive they are than SKS. I would hope they dont take up any more room. If they fit through the brakes, they ought to take the tires, because Hetres fit in Silver calipers with plenty of room. Regarding trail, there's online trail calculators on the web. You enter headtube angle, rim ERD, tire diameter, and fork rake. For a 58 Betty, that's 70 degrees, 584mm, 42mm(for a Hetre), and 53mm rake. yojimg.net has a calculator that using those numbers comes out to: 66.6mm On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
No of course not. Just home-team 1st trade. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:20:39 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 18:05 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: I'm not saying we have to be green, but every product has to be shipped by plane, boat or something equally inefficient from a long way away. You'll have to ride it every day, a long way to offset that. The wages are paid to someone who will spend that money... not here. You on the other hand will pay a little less to support that person, but will pay a lot more in taxes, to support the person(s) you did not pay for his labor etc., here. You will pay taxes on borrowed money (mostly form mainland China). It's true that there are wars etc., to support , also w/ borrowed money. That's besides the point here. If the product is equal in quality and every other facet of its existence doesn't it make sense to spend that money here, even if it's a little more? So, you are against all international trade? I'm not a big business supporter but I'm always amazed when people talk about the greed of big business. They, just like a person who is thrifty or cheap, just want to keep more of what they earn. The numbers are just larger but it's all relative. So by purchasing something made overseas that can be sourced here is in effect screwing your fellow American, even if unknowingly, or unintended. And to top it off, it's often said that every one of those borrowed dollars, that's paid in unemployment returns $1.60 to the economy. Then why don't we just lay everybody off and watch things take right off! I find arguments like this much more persuasive when they focus on things like importing garlic from mainland China (like, we don't grow garlic here?) than bicycle frames and components from Taiwan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com CHAIN LOCK.jpg 56KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] San Diego Riv'ers
Hmm. Current plan is to fly out the Friday morning that the show starts... may have to rethink that one. But back to the original question. San Diego locals -- I cooked up a Bikely query (http://tinyurl.com/4sdq2mhhttp://tinyurl.com/4ac36zr), which is bringing up 14 routes. Any obvious winners there? On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: It's not a ride, but this would be a good thing to go see if syncs up with your calendar. There should be a SoCal Riv contingent going to it... http://www.sandiegocustombicycleshow.com/ On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, John Speare johnspe...@gmail.comwrote: Hey there, I've seen some rough-rider/southern Cal ride postings on this list. It looks like Ill be in San Diego neighborhood in early April. I'm looking for routes with some dirt to ride -- loops that I can do in a day from the San Diego area -- no more than 80 miles. With some climbs. Low traffic. Nice views. Does anyone have a favorite loop mapped out that they'd like to share? Thanks. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Looking For Nigel Smythe Big Box
So I have a Nigel Smythe Big Box on my AHH and now that I have a Bombadil I want another one. Yet they don't make them. Now it doesn't have to be the Nigel Smythe but one that looks great and is tall so that it can hang from the seat and still reach my rear rack... since I'm lovin the Big Box I have now another one would be wonderful... Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Looking For Nigel Smythe Big Box
Dear Mr. Kelly: We regret to inform you that you have exceeded the maximum number allowable by law of Nigel Smythe Big Box bags, and any future purchases will be in direct violation of Riv Statute No 3235 No one person may own more than two (2) Nigel Smythe bags at any one time, especially when the rest of us schlubs are trying to find them.. Please ensure you remain compliant with this law Thank you, Nigel Smythe Central Control On Jan 28, 10:34 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: So I have a Nigel Smythe Big Box on my AHH and now that I have a Bombadil I want another one. Yet they don't make them. Now it doesn't have to be the Nigel Smythe but one that looks great and is tall so that it can hang from the seat and still reach my rear rack... since I'm lovin the Big Box I have now another one would be wonderful... Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] I Got Your Pandas For You
Right here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5396768509/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5396768059/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5397363138/ Been pondering this Panda thing. Still not sure if I'm getting it. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Looking For Nigel Smythe Big Box
Please don't tell anyone I already have two.. I just am really in love with the Big Box Bag. :) Sheesh this bag is gonna be as hard to get as a 68 cm Quickbeam.. :( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Looking For Nigel Smythe Big Box
Sheesh.. I'm in trouble yet again.. :( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy questions
Illuminating. Thanks for setting up the photos. Rear 3 looks mighty tight at the bridge(?) connection, but that might be camera angle. Rumor is that Riv will soon be stocking new cream colored SKS. Have convinced my wife that these will appeal to her aesthetic as much as the elven-hammered honjos. Keven and others warn that the curled lip and the turned down edge on the Honjos and Berthouds _ one of the features promoted by those who like them _ eat up critical space in a tight fit situation. So I keep coming back to the SKS, which work so well on my Saluki, I forget they're there. On Jan 28, 7:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5396494939/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397091824/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092882/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092378/http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5397092082/ The tightest squeeze is the clearance on the sides for the diagonal stays. Those are hard to photograph, behind the brake caliper. Furthermore, the geometry might be a little different there on a 58. It looks do-able to me, but if you tried to put fenders in there that are WAY wider than Hetres, they may interfere, and you'd have to bend metal and such. I'm sure I could do it with SKS P45's. On Jan 28, 5:17 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: My wife has a 52 Betty (well, an Yves if you want to get technical). I have a wheelset with Hetres, so I could throw those wheels on and photograph the clearances. The Yves is not running fenders at the moment. I have no doubt I could fit fenders, but I've been happily using SKS plastics. Having not set up a set of Honjos or Berthouds, I don't know how much more intrusive they are than SKS. I would hope they dont take up any more room. If they fit through the brakes, they ought to take the tires, because Hetres fit in Silver calipers with plenty of room. Regarding trail, there's online trail calculators on the web. You enter headtube angle, rim ERD, tire diameter, and fork rake. For a 58 Betty, that's 70 degrees, 584mm, 42mm(for a Hetre), and 53mm rake. yojimg.net has a calculator that using those numbers comes out to: 66.6mm On Jan 28, 4:11 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I bought a Betty for my daughters to borrow from me... :-) Bought the size 58 since it fits us all, me and them. For them it's on the brink of being too large, for me on the brink of being too small, but nevertheless good for all. It's not my primary bike but rather, my bike to do errands around Palo Alto. To your questions: - Hetres do fit without fenders. They don't fit with the Honjo fenders Jan recommends, and then the question is can everything work with Hetres and narrower Honjo fenders or SKS fenders... maybe. IIRC, the largest Honjo fenders that fit are 47mm, so the fit between them and the Hetres may not be as good. - I believe that the trail would be high, according to Grant's philosophy. That beeing said, it handles as nice as all the other Rivs do. Your wife will not care... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: game changer dyno hub, bikes, cars, being green etc.
At what cost though ? Concrete cracks and weathers and weeds grow through it just as it does with asphalt. It costs quite a bit to maintain roadways.less autos = less money for maintenance= more bicycles with wide tires ! Have you ever watched any of those ridiculous doomsday movies that show how New York city would look after 1000 years, its amazing what doesn't survive the elements and the test of time. Just sayin ! cheers : ) On Jan 28, 6:21 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface. Flat out wrong. If there were fewer vehicles, we would not need as many streets/roads and those we would have would be subject to less stress. Ergo, we could use hardened cement which when done right is both more cush to ride on and durable than cheapo asphalt streets. On Jan 27, 8:51 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface.Taking things to the extreme also stirs thought and responses so...following the Grok idea to the extreme would lead to the most green way of life. Talk about low impact on the environment. I am aware that transitions from a sophisticated society to a primitive one are slower under normal circumstances. I often think of the ancient Egyptians, do we really know how technologically advanced they were? How much do we know of their understanding of medicine and science etc. ? How much information has survived of other ancient cultures and how sophisticated were they really? As an aside we've been on the paleolithic diet for a few weeks, more or less and its making a difference and I hope it will pay off when I bicycle. I'm definitely down with going electric, automobile wise also and may even try a motor on a cargo bike some day since I am a full 25 miles from the big city. What does this shotgun approach to posting have to do with Rivendell ? It seems Grant writes about stuff like this and I enjoy it when he does. One thing I do know is that I can hardly wait to get a dyno hub and generate my own electricity while bicycling. On Jan 27, 6:08 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jan 27, 10:54 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: My brother, you paint too gloomy a picture. If we run out of fossil fuels-there's more than one way skin a cat. All cars, trucks, trains (don't know about planes) will be electric, so buy GE stock early. You seem to only acknowledge that oil is for burning. However, oil is used for far more than burning for energy to power our cars, make electricity, etc. For example, almost all plastic and rubber is made from oil. Fertilizers that enabled the green revolution (this has nothing to do with being eco-friendly) are mostly made from fossil fuel (natural gas), so you are essentially eating oil. Even fairly recent innovations like pharmaceuticals are made from organic compounds that are derived from oil. This entire world basically runs on oil, and I'm not only taking transportation. It is surprising that not more people realize that. Should we really be burning however many gallons per mile of this precious resource, instead of using it for, for example, life-saving drugs or useful plastic items? -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Looking For Nigel Smythe Big Box
Here's a used Sackville: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/2184536680.html The larges are enormous. NFI jim m wc ca On Jan 28, 8:37 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Sheesh.. I'm in trouble yet again.. :( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I Got Your Pandas For You
HA! On Jan 28, 11:28 pm, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: Right here... http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5396768509/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5396768059/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/5397363138/ Been pondering this Panda thing. Still not sure if I'm getting it. -JimD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
