Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders
pardon my ignorance. What's a Euro Style workstand? Michael On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:35:18 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: I'm with Franklyn regarding the Tanaka fenders. I've got a 26x60mm set on my Atlantis and it took an hour or two to install, *after* I gathered all the necessary hardware and tools (spacers, drill, etc). It's not hard work, but one needs to be patient and knowing the tricks of installing metal fenders help. It is worth repeating that unlike plastic fenders, metal fenders should be installed without built-in stress. As for your questions, the gauge of the Tanaka fenders are similarly * lithe* like the Honjos. The finish on the fenders isn't bad at all and are mostly indistinguishable from the Honjos (or at least I couldn't see significant differences). The design and quality of the fittings, however, are noticeably worse than those from Honjo and Bethouds (I don't have experience with VO fenders). Unlike the Honjo, the Tanaka stays are dull and stain easily. The Tanaka daruma bolts, although stainless, also aren't in the same league as the Honjos; it's like cast+plated vs. stamped parts, if that can be an analogy. Actually, I don't mind the length of the Tanaka fenders. Yes, they're shorter than Honjos, so fender flaps are mandatory. But they're short enough such that I can actually put the bike on Euro style workstands because the front flap can bend easily. With Honjos, I have to use a standard Park workstand. Although standard Park workstands are fine, I prefer the Euro style workstands as they're more stable. Same thing with roof racks. Fork-clamp racks become an option if you don't have long front fenders getting in the way. Finally, they're nice enough and cheap enough that I'll be getting another set for my LHT. I think that's probably the best endorsement - a repeat customer. On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:47:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Great, thanks. They are shorter, but not as short as many plastic fenders, and I always install mudflaps. How does the quality -- gauge of the metal, design and quality of the fittings -- compare with Honjos or Berthouds? (VO's, at least the pair I bought 3 years or so ago, is not as good, but for the price acceptable.) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, franklyn sin...@msn.com wrote: Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs, one on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized Sequoia. Pictures are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/ They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and Berthoud metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and the front one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. You can get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from Tree Fort Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before shipping). best, Franklyn Berkeley, CA On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:12:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not bad. I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and fit. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal skv...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone here installed these on a riv? http://store.somafab.com/**taaltrfe.htmlhttp://store.somafab.com/taaltrfe.html I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm kinda curious how much of a pain they are to install. Thanks, -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes,
Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders
I installed Honjos last month, and the real trick to these is the lateral position of the stay in the fender rod bolt. The front is usually symmetric, but it depends on the alignment of the fork hole where the daruma rod bolt is attached. The rear is probably not symmetric, due to different spread in the rear triangles. It takes a few cycles of installing the wheel and adjusting the stay position in the rod bolt, before final tightening, to get it perfect. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders
On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 05:03 -0800, Ron Mc wrote: I installed Honjos last month, and the real trick to these is the lateral position of the stay in the fender rod bolt. The front is usually symmetric, but it depends on the alignment of the fork hole where the daruma rod bolt is attached. The rear is probably not symmetric, due to different spread in the rear triangles. It takes a few cycles of installing the wheel and adjusting the stay position in the rod bolt, before final tightening, to get it perfect. That sounds a lot like you're pulling the fender into position with the stay. If so, know that in time that will result in the fender's cracking from the stress. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders
no, there is no load on the fender - that is the point of aligning the stay in the rod bolt - not where it looks it ought to be, but where it relaxes the fender. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:09:08 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 05:03 -0800, Ron Mc wrote: I installed Honjos last month, and the real trick to these is the lateral position of the stay in the fender rod bolt. The front is usually symmetric, but it depends on the alignment of the fork hole where the daruma rod bolt is attached. The rear is probably not symmetric, due to different spread in the rear triangles. It takes a few cycles of installing the wheel and adjusting the stay position in the rod bolt, before final tightening, to get it perfect. That sounds a lot like you're pulling the fender into position with the stay. If so, know that in time that will result in the fender's cracking from the stress. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Agreed. Ugh. In the quest to make a budget Riv, what exactly are the qualities they are trying to deliver at a budget price, and what exactly can be given up to get there? If you are trying to deliver the Riv ride and fit, great. Then do it in a form that allows you to deliver those qualities in a less expensive package, like a TIG-ed, powder coated frame. If you are just trying to deliver lugs, then you'll eventually hit a floor on labor, even if you use the cheapest tubes possible. But still, if you want lugs-for-all, cheap, then go for it. If you are trying to deliver everything, but just cheaper, then you can't. That's why there's no $30k Ferrari. I think that at least some small part of Riv's appeal is that they are nice bikes to a degree, that people are proud to own. I don't see how a rattle-can-it-yourself frame fits into that brand image. If paint is the only thing you can imagine giving up, then maybe you just can't do it. It wouldn't surprise me if RBW has reached the same conclusion. -Pete in CT On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:11:26 PM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote: Ugh... On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, redsydude thau...@q.com javascript:wrote: I think in 2011 their idea was to spray paint the frame for a few dollars to make it look old and increase its theftproofedness. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Saluki frameset for sale 650b
Pea Sage Green 58cm 650b sidepull/centerpull Saluki 3 water bottle making it a Waterford built frameset, correct me if I'm wrong on that one. I'm the original owner and purchased it from The CountryBbike Shop in Ohio. Wonderful riding bike! It does have a number of paint chips, scratches from usage. It also has a ding/dent around 4-5mm long on the top tube. I rode it like this for around a year. It has been framed saved from the getgo a few times and the chips covered w. clear nail polish. Alot of the scratches/chips will be hidden once the bike is a assembled. Frame and fork. Email me off list for pictures. Asking $775.00 plus actual shipping. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Frame Paint question
Agree I have had two frames painted by Naomi Litell @ Bilenky, and the result is relly good! Carl W Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:46:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [RBW] Frame Paint question From: zeidler.rob...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Send it to Bilenky. Very good work. On Monday, February 25, 2013, Robert Kirkpatrick wrote: I'm looking at getting a frame powder coated and I want to get the orange used on the Quickbeam. I asked at Riv and they said they didn't have a specific code for the color. So has anyone had a bicycle powder coated in that color and what did you specify for it? According to Cyclofiend's Touch up Paint page Testors Competition Orange is close so I figure I can always bring in a swatch of that. But if anyone has had any luck I'd appreciate the info. thanks, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Introduction
Patrick, Welcome to the forum. I think that you have found an absolutely outstounding place to come and learn about cycling. i know that I had when I stumbled upon the site. I too suffer from neuro problems. I have MS and neuropathy in my hands and feet. Riding my bike has saved my life in many ways, but the emotional freedom that comes with it is perhaps the most priceless. Many sufferers of vertigo and nastagmus can, for some strange reason, still function rather well on a bicycle. Diet and excercise are the best for neuro problems...and what better form of excercise than seeing the world from two wheels? Rivendell and GP gives people like us an outlet with the cushy ride, sitting up high and easy gearing. It's amazing what you have accomplished already..you have a great outlook. You should be proudPeter G On Feb 25, 10:30 am, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Hello! I've posted on a few threads, but thought I should officially introduce myself. I bought my Hunqapillar early last Spring, and have been delighted ever since. Due to brain injury, I have constant neurological vertigo. I was amazed to discover that my bludgeoned brain (seewww.MindYourHeadCoop.org) and related proprioception via going barefoot had reached a point I could actually ride a bike. After testing out several and getting a feel for what worked and what was more challenging, I settled on Rivendell for it's hearty stiffness and go anywhere I'd be willing to ride capacity. I ride either barefoot or in leather soled moccasins on wood platform pedals Grant had laying around. Last Spring and Summer, I was able to ride a number of S20Os as well as 9 days on the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail, going from central Colorado to the New Mexico border before a loud motorcycle overloaded my brain on one of the few short paved sections. Having the Hunqa has opened up personal transportation for me (besides walking and running), and I love riding it just to ride, or to trail heads and running from there, as well as camping (since I can't carry weight above my waist, it opens up going bikepacking my with daughters -- a real delight!). I have a few pictures up here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/ With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS: a few things
Sugino XD2 Crank Set, triple 46X36X24, 170mm, Brand new chain rings, left arm has a slight scratch on it...($112 shipped in lower 48).brand new set of Tektro Brakes, R559, never opened..($60/ shipped).new, never opened Park tool CCP-22 crank puller, ($15/ shipped)...I also have some Pearl Izumi and louis garneau leggins and arm covers if someone wants to make me an offer...PeterG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
Thanks all for being do welcoming to a newcomer, letting me join the Riv Chica/Chico Warriors, and taking such lively pics. Now, does anyone have the recipe for that chocolate coconut bark of Grant's? I'll bring it to the next s24o wrapped in bacon. On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: For those that made it. Please tag yourselves in the photos. Having trouble with names to faces. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: East Bay Mixed Terrain Ride 3/3 9:30ish
Hey Manny, Definitely interested. Will try and see if any of my friends are also interested. - Irving -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction
Patrick: welcome indeed. We need more Patricks. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:10 PM, 3wheelin ssubman2...@yahoo.com wrote: Patrick, Welcome to the forum. I think that you have found an absolutely outstounding place to come and learn about cycling. i know that I had when I stumbled upon the site. I too suffer from neuro problems. I have MS and neuropathy in my hands and feet. Riding my bike has saved my life in many ways, but the emotional freedom that comes with it is perhaps the most priceless. Many sufferers of vertigo and nastagmus can, for some strange reason, still function rather well on a bicycle. Diet and excercise are the best for neuro problems...and what better form of excercise than seeing the world from two wheels? Rivendell and GP gives people like us an outlet with the cushy ride, sitting up high and easy gearing. It's amazing what you have accomplished already..you have a great outlook. You should be proudPeter G On Feb 25, 10:30 am, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Hello! I've posted on a few threads, but thought I should officially introduce myself. I bought my Hunqapillar early last Spring, and have been delighted ever since. Due to brain injury, I have constant neurological vertigo. I was amazed to discover that my bludgeoned brain (seewww.MindYourHeadCoop.org ) and related proprioception via going barefoot had reached a point I could actually ride a bike. After testing out several and getting a feel for what worked and what was more challenging, I settled on Rivendell for it's hearty stiffness and go anywhere I'd be willing to ride capacity. I ride either barefoot or in leather soled moccasins on wood platform pedals Grant had laying around. Last Spring and Summer, I was able to ride a number of S20Os as well as 9 days on the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail, going from central Colorado to the New Mexico border before a loud motorcycle overloaded my brain on one of the few short paved sections. Having the Hunqa has opened up personal transportation for me (besides walking and running), and I love riding it just to ride, or to trail heads and running from there, as well as camping (since I can't carry weight above my waist, it opens up going bikepacking my with daughters -- a real delight!). I have a few pictures up here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/ With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Introduction
Peter, You are spot on about diet and motion. Diet is indeed a huge part of my ongoing, long term recovery. I am doing so much better since eliminating grains and veggie oils, and even more since I've eliminated any of those from what the animals I eat get. Grass fed and wild caught yields more stable and abundant brain energy, and I now eat only one meal a day most days. Being a fat burner has stabilized so much, and it's so freeing to be able to go on long runs or rides without needing to bring food. I follow the Perfect Health Diet. Diet, going barefoot and shifting to floor living/sleeping has opened up far greater possibilities through accessing God's engineering as my body has the ability to function and heal as much as possible. Patrick, We do seem to be a unique and rare breed just by our name. I'm not sure the world is ready for more of us. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:10:24 PM UTC-7, PeterG wrote: Patrick, Welcome to the forum. I think that you have found an absolutely outstounding place to come and learn about cycling. i know that I had when I stumbled upon the site. I too suffer from neuro problems. I have MS and neuropathy in my hands and feet. Riding my bike has saved my life in many ways, but the emotional freedom that comes with it is perhaps the most priceless. Many sufferers of vertigo and nastagmus can, for some strange reason, still function rather well on a bicycle. Diet and excercise are the best for neuro problems...and what better form of excercise than seeing the world from two wheels? Rivendell and GP gives people like us an outlet with the cushy ride, sitting up high and easy gearing. It's amazing what you have accomplished already..you have a great outlook. You should be proudPeter G On Feb 25, 10:30 am, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Hello! I've posted on a few threads, but thought I should officially introduce myself. I bought my Hunqapillar early last Spring, and have been delighted ever since. Due to brain injury, I have constant neurological vertigo. I was amazed to discover that my bludgeoned brain (seewww.MindYourHeadCoop.org) and related proprioception via going barefoot had reached a point I could actually ride a bike. After testing out several and getting a feel for what worked and what was more challenging, I settled on Rivendell for it's hearty stiffness and go anywhere I'd be willing to ride capacity. I ride either barefoot or in leather soled moccasins on wood platform pedals Grant had laying around. Last Spring and Summer, I was able to ride a number of S20Os as well as 9 days on the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail, going from central Colorado to the New Mexico border before a loud motorcycle overloaded my brain on one of the few short paved sections. Having the Hunqa has opened up personal transportation for me (besides walking and running), and I love riding it just to ride, or to trail heads and running from there, as well as camping (since I can't carry weight above my waist, it opens up going bikepacking my with daughters -- a real delight!). I have a few pictures up here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/ With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Forget about the budget and embrace who you ARE Rivendell :) !! Do what you love and love what you do . and the customers come :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Urban Solo ride.
@ Mike, Don't know that area too well either. Guess I got some riding to do! I did a ride last year from my house up the old road through Santa Clarita West on the 126 to Piru. On the way back it was all head wind! I know I'll explore that area some more. I'll check out the Pine canyon rd through lake Hughes at some point. Hey I think I'll be down in Carlsbad for my Nephews play on Friday March 22nd. Perhaps a ride on Saturday? Hugh Sunland, CA On Monday, February 25, 2013 7:58:41 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote: I just realized that Hans Rossman, who rides/writes for BQ with Jan Heine was on that Bro'vet. Of course they missed the good parts by not taking Pine Canyon rd through Lake Hughes and going over Spunky saddle. ... too bad. City Slickers I guess. On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:45:00 AM UTC-8, rperks wrote: FYI, I have some friends working out a legal dirt route that is very close to this: http://yonderjournal.com/studies/brovet/ A bit more than the average riv ride, but drop me a line if you are interested in the ride Rob oceanaircycles.com Ventura, Ca On Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:48:03 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: By the by I been meaning to try out a ride from Castaic on the Old Ridge Route, which was the original route by the old timers bringing supplies from Bakersfield to Los Angeles, there's a 14 mile stretch designated a historical landmark and is closed to traffic, the old pavement has disintegrated and seems perfect for a mixed terrain ride it has something like 2500 to 3000’ elevation. I may ride it this coming Saturday if the weather cooperates and nothing on the calendar? If I do I'll report back on the feasibility and worthiness. Hugh Sunland, CA On Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:34:20 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: @ Eric Man am I glad it's not 1994. Though some of the home boys tracked me as I was riding by. The Hilsen is a bit flashy, and while at Union Station I took the AHH with me in the restroom. Can't be too cafeful :) @D yes that Pinzanita ride looks like a good pay off. Hugh Sunland, CA On Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:20:34 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote: hey D, when are you going to have us up to ride that route? When the snow is gone so we can ride the dirt and B4 the heat sets in please. ~mike On Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:41:39 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, snow bike for the win! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8502321862/ (although I did turn around at the first site of solid snow covering the ground... scary!) On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 5:40 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: Jim: You are already such a character that you'd do fine in So Cal. Plus see that pic from David of the Jack Browns in the snow? You could give up those fat bikes. dougP On Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:04:43 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I love your bike Hugh! Sometimes I want to live in SoCal, but then I'd miss out on the character-building adversity of Minnesota weather. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:31:20 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: No that's perfect for a road bike. I was wondering out loud about a fat-tired (relative) version. A San Marcos grade Atlantis. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Joe Hogg josep...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On 02/23/2013 09:58 AM, cyclotourist wrote: Armchair CEO time. Where does the SOMA San Marcos come into the discussion? It's lugged, presumably good tubes and quality paint. Costs around ~$800 on the street, $949 MSRP. There's your budget Riv for road/country folk. If that bike can retail for $800, a fat-tired version could be too. I think that's what Jim (and I) would like. A Taiwanese lugged Atlantis type bike but w/ sloping top tube wouldn't cost that much more. Other than eating into Hilly and possibly 'Lantis sales, seems like it would be a great bike for SOMA to offer. The BMC bikes look fantastic, but like Surly/Gunnar/SOMA (minus SM), they are not lugged. I think there's a market for budget Taiwanese lugged bikes like the Romulus, Bleriot and San Marcos. But I haven't purchased a new bike since 2001, so maybe I'm not the one that should be espousing on this... :-) On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.comjavascript: wrote: It wouldn't make sense to make any Riv that doesn't have lugs or a nice paint job,although a single color paint is probably OK with most. The 1st Sam's were single color except a few accents on the fork crown. There are some shops that do pretty good job powder coating lugged bikes. That could save some coin Price wise, something in the $1000 to $1300 price range would be reasonable for a Riv bike even a budget one. If you want to spend less there are other options with tig welds. Just make sure it fits those big tires! ~mike On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Hi David, On the Rivendell web site, the description of the SOMA San Marcos says that 35mm wide tires will fit this bike. Not clear whether or not this could also fit fenders. Are you thinking of a wider tire on a road bike? Cheers, Joe LA, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Frame Paint question
I have never had a bike powder coated but have to plug Bruce at the Color Factory in NJ. He did bead blasting, and an awesome Pearl Orange and Cream job with all the cut-outs and accents for $200 shipped. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Carl Otto Wollin carlottowol...@hotmail.com wrote: Agree I have had two frames painted by Naomi Litell @ Bilenky, and the result is relly good! Carl W -- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:46:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [RBW] Frame Paint question From: zeidler.rob...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Send it to Bilenky. Very good work. On Monday, February 25, 2013, Robert Kirkpatrick wrote: I'm looking at getting a frame powder coated and I want to get the orange used on the Quickbeam. I asked at Riv and they said they didn't have a specific code for the color. So has anyone had a bicycle powder coated in that color and what did you specify for it? According to Cyclofiend's Touch up Paint page Testors Competition Orange is close so I figure I can always bring in a swatch of that. But if anyone has had any luck I'd appreciate the info. thanks, Robert -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: East Bay Mixed Terrain Ride 3/3 9:30ish
That's this Sunday? Dude. Might have to do that. Which bike do you want me to bring? On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:26:55 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote: Meet Fremont Bart 930ish. Proposed route. Open to suggestions. http://goo.gl/maps/rDEcp Beauty of doing a ride in the East Bay. Do all of it or part of it. The jumping on Bart is always an option. Near the end fo the ride in Walnut Creek there are rope swings and Tullio sandwiches. Jump on it, literally and figuratively. Get to Fremont early and get a photo and maybe coffee if I can get beans.. Pictures of this ride in reverse. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDmNiB3 -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Introduction
Patrick, I'm really kind of a new guy and only occasional participant here myself, but I wanted to say welcome AND thanks for the inspiration! My father, though quite a bit older than you, had a rare type of stroke a few years ago that has primarily messed with his balance and given him terrible vertigo. Prior to that, he was an athletic machine (he jogged to the top of the ski hill the day before his stroke), so it's been tough to see him have to give so much up. I've been afraid to even TRY getting him back on a bike, but I think you've just convinced me that it might be ok. What are a few bruises and scrapes if it doesn't work, right? Also, I had an idea for a family ride/vacation for you (per your other thread). It's not actually in the four corners area as you mentioned, but it's not too far away - Northern Idaho. I just recently found out about it and am planning to take my youngest daughter (middle child) on a first bike tour here later this summer, when the snow melts, so I'm kind of excited about it: It's known collectively as the Bitterroot Loop, and is actually comprised of three rail-to-trail sections that will let you ride anything up to 185 miles, completely car-free: Trail of the Coer D'Alenes, Route of the Hiawatha, and the Old Milwaukee Road. Beautiful lakes, forests, gradule grades, tunnels, trestles, history. The lower 70 miles is paved and runs through some quaint bike-friendly towns, but the upper part is more remote. Here's a link to the best info page: http://friendsofcdatrails.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Introduction
Dear Keith, Thank you for the Idaho trip. I've added it to the bucket list. For your dad, I would encourage you to play slowly and see what works. One of the key foundational steps (literally) for me was going barefoot. At the time, I needed 4 lb. bludger walking sticks in each hand to walk and hike. After going barefoot, it took several years before I could use lighter poles, another year of carrying the poles parallel to the ground, another year before I didn't need poles, and another year before the bike was possible. Lofty goals are grand, but the old addage that we get there one step at a time is also true. Even when we can see the mountain peak, we still have to slog through the mossy ridden swamp. Grin. I will keep your dad in my prayers. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:02:20 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: Patrick, I'm really kind of a new guy and only occasional participant here myself, but I wanted to say welcome AND thanks for the inspiration! My father, though quite a bit older than you, had a rare type of stroke a few years ago that has primarily messed with his balance and given him terrible vertigo. Prior to that, he was an athletic machine (he jogged to the top of the ski hill the day before his stroke), so it's been tough to see him have to give so much up. I've been afraid to even TRY getting him back on a bike, but I think you've just convinced me that it might be ok. What are a few bruises and scrapes if it doesn't work, right? Also, I had an idea for a family ride/vacation for you (per your other thread). It's not actually in the four corners area as you mentioned, but it's not too far away - Northern Idaho. I just recently found out about it and am planning to take my youngest daughter (middle child) on a first bike tour here later this summer, when the snow melts, so I'm kind of excited about it: It's known collectively as the Bitterroot Loop, and is actually comprised of three rail-to-trail sections that will let you ride anything up to 185 miles, completely car-free: Trail of the Coer D'Alenes, Route of the Hiawatha, and the Old Milwaukee Road. Beautiful lakes, forests, gradule grades, tunnels, trestles, history. The lower 70 miles is paved and runs through some quaint bike-friendly towns, but the upper part is more remote. Here's a link to the best info page: http://friendsofcdatrails.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
yea, Bill, except with room for 50mm tires. I had one of those Hillbornes and liked it but sold it for a Ram. Now I wish I had kept it instead of selling it to Dustin. It was a good trail bike and for touring but it's was stiff for my taste for road riding. ~mike On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:58:31 AM UTC-8, William wrote: A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:31:20 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: No that's perfect for a road bike. I was wondering out loud about a fat-tired (relative) version. A San Marcos grade Atlantis. On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Joe Hogg josep...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/23/2013 09:58 AM, cyclotourist wrote: Armchair CEO time. Where does the SOMA San Marcos come into the discussion? It's lugged, presumably good tubes and quality paint. Costs around ~$800 on the street, $949 MSRP. There's your budget Riv for road/country folk. If that bike can retail for $800, a fat-tired version could be too. I think that's what Jim (and I) would like. A Taiwanese lugged Atlantis type bike but w/ sloping top tube wouldn't cost that much more. Other than eating into Hilly and possibly 'Lantis sales, seems like it would be a great bike for SOMA to offer. The BMC bikes look fantastic, but like Surly/Gunnar/SOMA (minus SM), they are not lugged. I think there's a market for budget Taiwanese lugged bikes like the Romulus, Bleriot and San Marcos. But I haven't purchased a new bike since 2001, so maybe I'm not the one that should be espousing on this... :-) On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.comwrote: It wouldn't make sense to make any Riv that doesn't have lugs or a nice paint job,although a single color paint is probably OK with most. The 1st Sam's were single color except a few accents on the fork crown. There are some shops that do pretty good job powder coating lugged bikes. That could save some coin Price wise, something in the $1000 to $1300 price range would be reasonable for a Riv bike even a budget one. If you want to spend less there are other options with tig welds. Just make sure it fits those big tires! ~mike On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:58:02 AM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Hi David, On the Rivendell web site, the description of the SOMA San Marcos says that 35mm wide tires will fit this bike. Not clear whether or not this could also fit fenders. Are you thinking of a wider tire on a road bike? Cheers, Joe LA, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
RCW, MD (MD is a long story) here back in snowy Minnesota. I'll post a review of the appaloosa in short order, but mostly I wanna say what a wonderful time it was: people, bikes, countryside... some memories: manny's festooned atlantis boiled crab, bacon wrapped sausages, and SPAM quesadillas fork mounted lower rack prototypes in action will's air-freshener-equipped basket keven's bomb down the steep hill into a steep single track traverse on the Appaloosa Grant's bomb down the steep hill into a steep single track traverse in a bright blue wool MUSA live oak moon shadows manny in his red union suit •over• his other clothes — now that is a bold look borrowing a fully equipped hunq with 55 fatties — now that is confidence inspiring huffing and puffing and huffing and puffing but actually doing the ride (never be shy about walking some parts) Dustin's Kabar! john blish's old protovelo in the wild hills sunrise behind Mt. Diablo hand-pulled riv espressos new bikin' pals thanks everyone for making it happen. It was special. xxoo RCW, MD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
holy moly boys, just looked at the photos! they are beautiful! what a sense of composition and placement and technical spot-on-ness. wow. Now if only I didn't look like I was grumbling because lord knows I was having the time of my life! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
Not to nit-pick, Liesl, but Manny's festooned bike is a Hillborne. :) On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:24:13 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote: holy moly boys, just looked at the photos! they are beautiful! what a sense of composition and placement and technical spot-on-ness. wow. Now if only I didn't look like I was grumbling because lord knows I was having the time of my life! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Ride Review: The Appaloosa
This bike is •the bomb*. I think there's the impression out in the cloud that suggests it's a cruiser built for flat-lands. I don't think this idea holds much water to anyone who saw Keven drop like a falcon on a vole during his Appaloosa-descent down Shell Ridge this past Sunday. With those l-o-n-g chainstays and diagatubes, the bike held a line over rough terrain that was elegant and true—and fast. This is not to mention all the other parts of the uphill-and-down single-track trail riding that the Appaloosa handled like, well, like its namesake. At 5'2,I never thought this design could be made small enough for me—but there it was, a little Appaloosa that I could stand over. I took it for a ride, and then rode it again, and then rode it some more…I took it for spins 4 days in a row and just fell in love. The Bosco's are crazy comfy and a million hand positions, goofy as they look. Upright, relaxed with elbows on the grips, crouched down with hands on the flats—whatever you need. This bike is really a bit of a revolution. Mine will be maybe the 7th (?) in the world and will be the only one with canti's, 26 wheels, and clearance for 55cm fatty tires and fenders. It'll be a Riv Chica War Horse! SO that's the news on the custom front. RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS Feeler 63cm Roadeo RCP
OK, Last chance to sweeten the deal further. I will pick up the shipping and or deliver the bike as I make my way up and down the west coast in the first half of March on my way too and from the Seattle expo - Rob (really needing to get this bike out) On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:23:43 PM UTC-8, rperks wrote: I am 6'3 with a PBH of 90-91cm and ran the saddle between 79-80 cm depending on pedal shoe combinations. That generally had me right at a fist full of post and enough stand over that I was never worried - Rob On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:04:15 PM UTC-8, Minh wrote: No kidding, here i am rushing to the geometry charts to double-check the sizing, Rob, just for reference sake how tall are you? pretty sure this is too big for me but can still dream! On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote: Oh boy. My size and the right price. Well, the frame is the right price at least. But if I bought it the resulting divorce would be very costly! -Pete in CT On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:34:37 PM UTC-5, rperks wrote: As described below, this is a great bike that needs to find a new home. Update to the previous post with pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157632857361800/ I am asking $1200 for the frame fork and Stronglight A9 headset with a replacement set of bearings. I will install a new cable guide on the bottom bracket and can put on a new clear chain stay protector at your request. For those curios on how the RCP has held up over the years of riding on the coast, you can see the photo set from when it was new here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157622875811028/ Thanks for taking a look Rob oceanaircycles.com Ventura, Ca On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:03:30 PM UTC-8, rperks wrote: I have not been riding my Roadeo at all this year, it has actually been hanging as a frame set since I pirated many of the components off of it for another project. It is a great bike, but I am at a point where I am thinking of letting it go for the cash flow. Structurally it is perfect. There was a mishap with a roof rack clamp and the fork, that was repaired by waterford and is good as new. The down side of the repair was the clear powder came apart on the fork. I treated it with T9 regularly, and it only saw fair weather duty her in SoCal until my next project was ready, and there is a bit of surface rust, but nothing deep. The RCP held up pretty well, but there are also some visible areas of pitting. The bike is a true candidate for a repaint. All that considered I am thinking $1200 could get it out of my workspace, you get a great bike, and can get it painted any way you like and still come out hundreds less than a new one I will be setting my photo studio back up in a couple of days and will shoot a detailed set of the bike if there is any interest. -- Rob Perks oceanaircycles.com Ventura, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Compared to the cost advantages of buying frames in larger quantity, the savings involved in cheapening lugs or paint is almost irrelevant. If 100 Riv people put down a serious deposit, I imagine Riv could give us an economical Atlantis without compromising on anything (except maybe size selection and US manufacture) from the non-economical Atlantis. Volume is key, but volume has never really been a Riv strategy. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:29:28 AM UTC-6, Peter Pesce wrote: Agreed. Ugh. In the quest to make a budget Riv, what exactly are the qualities they are trying to deliver at a budget price, and what exactly can be given up to get there? If you are trying to deliver the Riv ride and fit, great. Then do it in a form that allows you to deliver those qualities in a less expensive package, like a TIG-ed, powder coated frame. If you are just trying to deliver lugs, then you'll eventually hit a floor on labor, even if you use the cheapest tubes possible. But still, if you want lugs-for-all, cheap, then go for it. If you are trying to deliver everything, but just cheaper, then you can't. That's why there's no $30k Ferrari. I think that at least some small part of Riv's appeal is that they are nice bikes to a degree, that people are proud to own. I don't see how a rattle-can-it-yourself frame fits into that brand image. If paint is the only thing you can imagine giving up, then maybe you just can't do it. It wouldn't surprise me if RBW has reached the same conclusion. -Pete in CT On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:11:26 PM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote: Ugh... On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, redsydude thau...@q.com wrote: I think in 2011 their idea was to spray paint the frame for a few dollars to make it look old and increase its theftproofedness. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
I love all the answers. And the what not. But I suppose I forgot to mention I don't care if the bike they come out with didn't have lugs was a mixte with gray primer as pain t and not a single decal. I'm not tall so generally ride a 52 give or take and the thing that drives me crazy is you can't buy a smaller bike with a shallow seat tube. Even the lht-which I have and like well enough-has a 74 degree seat tube. And man I love shallow seat tubes. My wife and I have mountains o' student loans and small children so even when there is enough money I can't justify it. But man do I want the GP sweetness regardless o' what it looks like! this group is the best. On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:58:02 AM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Ride Review: The Appaloosa
It will be the Apaliesl!!! Sorry I was out of town and didn't get a chance
to meet you and go on the ride... Here's to next time!
At least I enjoyed the photos.
René
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013, Liesl wrote:
This bike is •the bomb*. I think there's the impression out in the cloud
that suggests it's a cruiser built for flat-lands. I don't think this idea
holds much water to anyone who saw Keven drop like a falcon on a vole
during his Appaloosa-descent down Shell Ridge this past Sunday. With those
l-o-n-g chainstays and diagatubes, the bike held a line over rough terrain
that was elegant and true—and fast. This is not to mention all the other
parts of the uphill-and-down single-track trail riding that the Appaloosa
handled like, well, like its namesake.
At 5'2,I never thought this design could be made small enough for me—but
there it was, a little Appaloosa that I could stand over. I took it for a
ride, and then rode it again, and then rode it some more…I took it for
spins 4 days in a row and just fell in love. The Bosco's are crazy comfy
and a million hand positions, goofy as they look. Upright, relaxed with
elbows on the grips, crouched down with hands on the flats—whatever you
need.
This bike is really a bit of a revolution.
Mine will be maybe the 7th (?) in the world and will be the only one with
canti's, 26 wheels, and clearance for 55cm fatty tires and fenders. It'll
be a Riv Chica War Horse!
SO that's the news on the custom front.
RCW
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Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Yes!!! But w/ clearance for +50mm tires like Mike mentioned. Could be the perfect bike! On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction
DP: Have you seen Philip's Skate-Deck Pedals? http://www.biketinker.com/2010/projects/skate-deck-pedals/ Kinda' looks like what you're doing??? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Dear Keith, Thank you for the Idaho trip. I've added it to the bucket list. For your dad, I would encourage you to play slowly and see what works. One of the key foundational steps (literally) for me was going barefoot. At the time, I needed 4 lb. bludger walking sticks in each hand to walk and hike. After going barefoot, it took several years before I could use lighter poles, another year of carrying the poles parallel to the ground, another year before I didn't need poles, and another year before the bike was possible. Lofty goals are grand, but the old addage that we get there one step at a time is also true. Even when we can see the mountain peak, we still have to slog through the mossy ridden swamp. Grin. I will keep your dad in my prayers. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:02:20 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: Patrick, I'm really kind of a new guy and only occasional participant here myself, but I wanted to say welcome AND thanks for the inspiration! My father, though quite a bit older than you, had a rare type of stroke a few years ago that has primarily messed with his balance and given him terrible vertigo. Prior to that, he was an athletic machine (he jogged to the top of the ski hill the day before his stroke), so it's been tough to see him have to give so much up. I've been afraid to even TRY getting him back on a bike, but I think you've just convinced me that it might be ok. What are a few bruises and scrapes if it doesn't work, right? Also, I had an idea for a family ride/vacation for you (per your other thread). It's not actually in the four corners area as you mentioned, but it's not too far away - Northern Idaho. I just recently found out about it and am planning to take my youngest daughter (middle child) on a first bike tour here later this summer, when the snow melts, so I'm kind of excited about it: It's known collectively as the Bitterroot Loop, and is actually comprised of three rail-to-trail sections that will let you ride anything up to 185 miles, completely car-free: Trail of the Coer D'Alenes, Route of the Hiawatha, and the Old Milwaukee Road. Beautiful lakes, forests, gradule grades, tunnels, trestles, history. The lower 70 miles is paved and runs through some quaint bike-friendly towns, but the upper part is more remote. Here's a link to the best info page: http://friendsofcdatrails.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
So a budget hunqapillar, which was the budget bombadil? Even with no diagatube and one color powder coat I doubt you could get the price point below 1k and still have it make sense. I think there would be a market there but it would have to eat into existing hunqapillar sales instead of bringing in new customers and money. On Feb 26, 2013 8:34 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Yes!!! But w/ clearance for +50mm tires like Mike mentioned. Could be the perfect bike! On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Yeah, cannibalizing sales of existing is the problem. But could be a way to grow the segment as well. Really nothing else like that out there. Doesn't have to be a Riv bike, could be SOMA, QBP, whoever. But if San Marcos can sell for ~$750, seems like budget Hunq could as well. Rawland Stag has it covered, but in low-trail. I want me a goodl ol' fashioned high trail bike! I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: So a budget hunqapillar, which was the budget bombadil? Even with no diagatube and one color powder coat I doubt you could get the price point below 1k and still have it make sense. I think there would be a market there but it would have to eat into existing hunqapillar sales instead of bringing in new customers and money. On Feb 26, 2013 8:34 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Yes!!! But w/ clearance for +50mm tires like Mike mentioned. Could be the perfect bike! On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
But the San Marcos cannot retail at $750. Retail on the San Marcos is $900. If you find somebody with a Merry Sales account that will sell it to you for cost+$50, that does not make it an actually viable retail product at $750. It's viable at $900. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:59:31 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, cannibalizing sales of existing is the problem. But could be a way to grow the segment as well. Really nothing else like that out there. Doesn't have to be a Riv bike, could be SOMA, QBP, whoever. But if San Marcos can sell for ~$750, seems like budget Hunq could as well. Rawland Stag has it covered, but in low-trail. I want me a goodl ol' fashioned high trail bike! I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: So a budget hunqapillar, which was the budget bombadil? Even with no diagatube and one color powder coat I doubt you could get the price point below 1k and still have it make sense. I think there would be a market there but it would have to eat into existing hunqapillar sales instead of bringing in new customers and money. On Feb 26, 2013 8:34 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Yes!!! But w/ clearance for +50mm tires like Mike mentioned. Could be the perfect bike! On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM, William tape...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
MSRP vs. street price are different animals. A popular search engine shows it for ~$750 with free shipping. It doesn't even have to be a Rivendell if that cuts into brand perception, etc. Just seems like a enough of a market for it. /February rainy, cold, snowed in, cabin fever conjecture (from Sunny Southern California). On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:11 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: But the San Marcos cannot retail at $750. Retail on the San Marcos is $900. If you find somebody with a Merry Sales account that will sell it to you for cost+$50, that does not make it an actually viable retail product at $750. It's viable at $900. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:59:31 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, cannibalizing sales of existing is the problem. But could be a way to grow the segment as well. Really nothing else like that out there. Doesn't have to be a Riv bike, could be SOMA, QBP, whoever. But if San Marcos can sell for ~$750, seems like budget Hunq could as well. Rawland Stag has it covered, but in low-trail. I want me a goodl ol' fashioned high trail bike! I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.comwrote: So a budget hunqapillar, which was the budget bombadil? Even with no diagatube and one color powder coat I doubt you could get the price point below 1k and still have it make sense. I think there would be a market there but it would have to eat into existing hunqapillar sales instead of bringing in new customers and money. On Feb 26, 2013 8:34 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes!!! But w/ clearance for +50mm tires like Mike mentioned. Could be the perfect bike! On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:59:31 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb? Quote from the Hunq's page: Our most extravagant, screw-the-expense bike was the off-roady Bombadil, and the Hunqapillar is a budgetated version of that bike—only slightly short-cutted to make it a lot more affordable and barely less heavy duty than it’s much more expensive big brother. FWIW.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Yes! I was think Hillborne as the budget Atlantis. Brain and fingers don't always work in concert. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:59:31 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb? Quote from the Hunq's page: Our most extravagant, screw-the-expense bike was the off-roady Bombadil, and the Hunqapillar is a budgetated version of that bike—only slightly short-cutted to make it a lot more affordable and barely less heavy duty than it’s much more expensive big brother. FWIW.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Technically, I think the Hilborne is considered a budget Hilsen, actually. Of course, most RBW frames have a good bit of overlap due to their practicality, but the Atlantis is kinda unique I wouldn't think it wrong to think of the Hunq as a between the Atlantis and the Bomba frame, tho'. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Isn't the budget Atlantis already pretty much available in a wide range of sizes in the form of the Surly LHT? I love Rivendell's and all but I'm just making a legitimate observation. Shaun Meehan On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:39 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Yes! I was think Hillborne as the budget Atlantis. Brain and fingers don't always work in concert. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:59:31 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb? Quote from the Hunq's page: Our most extravagant, screw-the-expense bike was the off-roady Bombadil, and the Hunqapillar is a budgetated version of that bike—only slightly short-cutted to make it a lot more affordable and barely less heavy duty than it’s much more expensive big brother. FWIW.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
A popular search engine shows it for ~$750 with free shipping that's precisely my point. quickbike.com has a Merry Sales account. They are willing to sell a frameset for cost plus $50. Putting up an internet storefront to sell a bike frame like a commodity doesn't prove that Rivendell could design a budget Hunqa for $750. It doesn't prove they can't, either, I'll grant you. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:21:47 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: MSRP vs. street price are different animals. A popular search engine shows it for ~$750 with free shipping. It doesn't even have to be a Rivendell if that cuts into brand perception, etc. Just seems like a enough of a market for it. /February rainy, cold, snowed in, cabin fever conjecture (from Sunny Southern California). On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:11 PM, William tape...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: But the San Marcos cannot retail at $750. Retail on the San Marcos is $900. If you find somebody with a Merry Sales account that will sell it to you for cost+$50, that does not make it an actually viable retail product at $750. It's viable at $900. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:59:31 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, cannibalizing sales of existing is the problem. But could be a way to grow the segment as well. Really nothing else like that out there. Doesn't have to be a Riv bike, could be SOMA, QBP, whoever. But if San Marcos can sell for ~$750, seems like budget Hunq could as well. Rawland Stag has it covered, but in low-trail. I want me a goodl ol' fashioned high trail bike! I think the Hunq is more the budget Atlantis than Bomb? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.comwrote: So a budget hunqapillar, which was the budget bombadil? Even with no diagatube and one color powder coat I doubt you could get the price point below 1k and still have it make sense. I think there would be a market there but it would have to eat into existing hunqapillar sales instead of bringing in new customers and money. On Feb 26, 2013 8:34 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes!!! But w/ clearance for +50mm tires like Mike mentioned. Could be the perfect bike! On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: A San Marcos grade Atlantis. So you just want the single TT, single color, canti-Hillborne back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Yes, Shaun, it is. Absolutely correct. The OP specifically wants a budget Riv to replace his LHT, and several have stated in the thread that what they want is a budget lugged Atlantis. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:47:06 PM UTC-8, meehan...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't the budget Atlantis already pretty much available in a wide range of sizes in the form of the Surly LHT? I love Rivendell's and all but I'm just making a legitimate observation. Shaun Meehan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS Feeler 63cm Roadeo RCP
I thought I replied to you off list yesterday or Sunday, Rob. Maybe you didn't get it. Anyway, I'm interested in the Roadeo. Maybe you can reply off list. Thanks. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:18:01 PM UTC-5, rperks wrote: OK, Last chance to sweeten the deal further. I will pick up the shipping and or deliver the bike as I make my way up and down the west coast in the first half of March on my way too and from the Seattle expo - Rob (really needing to get this bike out) On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:23:43 PM UTC-8, rperks wrote: I am 6'3 with a PBH of 90-91cm and ran the saddle between 79-80 cm depending on pedal shoe combinations. That generally had me right at a fist full of post and enough stand over that I was never worried - Rob On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:04:15 PM UTC-8, Minh wrote: No kidding, here i am rushing to the geometry charts to double-check the sizing, Rob, just for reference sake how tall are you? pretty sure this is too big for me but can still dream! On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote: Oh boy. My size and the right price. Well, the frame is the right price at least. But if I bought it the resulting divorce would be very costly! -Pete in CT On Monday, February 25, 2013 1:34:37 PM UTC-5, rperks wrote: As described below, this is a great bike that needs to find a new home. Update to the previous post with pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157632857361800/ I am asking $1200 for the frame fork and Stronglight A9 headset with a replacement set of bearings. I will install a new cable guide on the bottom bracket and can put on a new clear chain stay protector at your request. For those curios on how the RCP has held up over the years of riding on the coast, you can see the photo set from when it was new here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/sets/72157622875811028/ Thanks for taking a look Rob oceanaircycles.com Ventura, Ca On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:03:30 PM UTC-8, rperks wrote: I have not been riding my Roadeo at all this year, it has actually been hanging as a frame set since I pirated many of the components off of it for another project. It is a great bike, but I am at a point where I am thinking of letting it go for the cash flow. Structurally it is perfect. There was a mishap with a roof rack clamp and the fork, that was repaired by waterford and is good as new. The down side of the repair was the clear powder came apart on the fork. I treated it with T9 regularly, and it only saw fair weather duty her in SoCal until my next project was ready, and there is a bit of surface rust, but nothing deep. The RCP held up pretty well, but there are also some visible areas of pitting. The bike is a true candidate for a repaint. All that considered I am thinking $1200 could get it out of my workspace, you get a great bike, and can get it painted any way you like and still come out hundreds less than a new one I will be setting my photo studio back up in a couple of days and will shoot a detailed set of the bike if there is any interest. -- Rob Perks oceanaircycles.com Ventura, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Ride Review: The Appaloosa
What a great camping trip (thx to all for posting pix)! The first time I saw the mystery bike, I thought, whoa, but not in a good way. Then, as more pics of the diagatubes and long chain stays have become familiar to me, I think whoa, in a good way. Keven's bike looks terrific-- I want one, don't know the color, but definitely creme headtube. It'd have a front derailer, too. Albas or Boscos, don't know, but I was dreaming about that custom until RCW shattered it! :) Lucky 7 to RCW-- pedal on the War Horse... PS-- tell Grant to hurry up and make this a production reality for the rest of us. --sho On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:51:52 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote: This bike is •the bomb*. I think there's the impression out in the cloud that suggests it's a cruiser built for flat-lands. I don't think this idea holds much water to anyone who saw Keven drop like a falcon on a vole during his Appaloosa-descent down Shell Ridge this past Sunday. With those l-o-n-g chainstays and diagatubes, the bike held a line over rough terrain that was elegant and true—and fast. This is not to mention all the other parts of the uphill-and-down single-track trail riding that the Appaloosa handled like, well, like its namesake. At 5'2,I never thought this design could be made small enough for me—but there it was, a little Appaloosa that I could stand over. I took it for a ride, and then rode it again, and then rode it some more…I took it for spins 4 days in a row and just fell in love. The Bosco's are crazy comfy and a million hand positions, goofy as they look. Upright, relaxed with elbows on the grips, crouched down with hands on the flats—whatever you need. This bike is really a bit of a revolution. Mine will be maybe the 7th (?) in the world and will be the only one with canti's, 26 wheels, and clearance for 55cm fatty tires and fenders. It'll be a Riv Chica War Horse! SO that's the news on the custom front. RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
yes... budget means different things to all of us. With US built Riv's over $2000 now, perhaps an Atlantis like Riv made in Taiwan for $1200 would fit in nicely between the LHT and the Waterford built version. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack ideas
For added peace of mind, take an Irish strap or two and loop it between the handlebars and the basket. Presumably, it'll take some weight off the rack and onto the handlebars, which can support a lot of weight. I think Keven's Appaloosa has straps in the pic. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, William wrote: Edwin Sounds like a good list. The key to using the Mark's Rack with a true load is the second set of struts, as you can see in the staff bikes photos (Keven's Appaloosa, Grant's Homer). It's much more loadable with the second pair of struts. On Monday, February 25, 2013 5:36:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote: I am weighing (no pun intended!) a few of the helpful suggestions from the group. I think I am considering: CETMA strong and tough, ugly and expensive. Blackburn cheap and tough, ugly and not made for this bike. Marks elegant and made for the bike, expensive and wondering about weight limit, but I see on the staff bikes they appear to hold more than 4.4 pounds. Someone from the list has told me they might have one of these. Gamoj porter like on Sean's bike on the staff bikes page. As to my original post: I almost always carry 5-10 pounds in my work bag to and from work, and on rare occasion a 12 pack of beer and very rarely a case or other such groceries, but would love to have the option. And have it be better than the current situation with soma rack and p clamps. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
That's a business model that might work. Merry Sales paid Grant $3000 for the San Marcos design and for permission to use Riv lugs, and they pay Riv a tiny royalty for each frame sold. It was all in the Blug. Now if Merry Sales came to Riv again,and said we want to do another bike, and paid for an Econo-Hunqa this time, or maybe deliberately made an Econo-Bombadil, since Riv has stepped away from that, then maybe there could be something. We consumers could buy it from an online seller, or our LBS or whomever we choose. Maybe it could be brought in for around $1000 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
That's a business model that might work. Merry Sales paid Grant $3000 for the San Marcos design and for permission to use Riv lugs, and they pay Riv a tiny royalty for each frame sold. It was all in the Blug. Now if Merry Sales came to Riv again,and said we want to do another bike, and paid for an Econo-Hunqa this time, or maybe deliberately made an Econo-Bombadil, since Riv has stepped away from that, then maybe there could be something. We consumers could buy it from an online seller, or our LBS or whomever we choose. Maybe it could be brought in for around $1000 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Ride Review: The Appaloosa
Liesl, Last fall, Grant let me ride the Appaloosa and I was amazed at the handling of that bike. It just felt right. I went there to have Grant help me with my fit. In addition, after a lot of discussion, beside bike fit, I discovered that I was tightened my hip flexors doing sit ups. Again, many thanks to Grant. Don On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:51:52 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote: This bike is •the bomb*. I think there's the impression out in the cloud that suggests it's a cruiser built for flat-lands. I don't think this idea holds much water to anyone who saw Keven drop like a falcon on a vole during his Appaloosa-descent down Shell Ridge this past Sunday. With those l-o-n-g chainstays and diagatubes, the bike held a line over rough terrain that was elegant and true—and fast. This is not to mention all the other parts of the uphill-and-down single-track trail riding that the Appaloosa handled like, well, like its namesake. At 5'2,I never thought this design could be made small enough for me—but there it was, a little Appaloosa that I could stand over. I took it for a ride, and then rode it again, and then rode it some more…I took it for spins 4 days in a row and just fell in love. The Bosco's are crazy comfy and a million hand positions, goofy as they look. Upright, relaxed with elbows on the grips, crouched down with hands on the flats—whatever you need. This bike is really a bit of a revolution. Mine will be maybe the 7th (?) in the world and will be the only one with canti's, 26 wheels, and clearance for 55cm fatty tires and fenders. It'll be a Riv Chica War Horse! SO that's the news on the custom front. RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly 2013
Thanks for the pictures. That's my orange Hillborne! Maybe next time we can get them all in one place at the same time for a shot. My knee didn't like that last 5 miles. Just means I'm out of shape and need to ride more. - Brian On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:56:34 AM UTC-8, Andy Williams wrote: 33 miles around Bainbridge Island on Sunday, and Chilly Hilly lived up to its name, with 42 degrees and a southwest wind that was b. As Manny says, pictures prove it happenedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/sets/72157632847045107/. Included is the required Rivendell content. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly 2013
Bummer about the raid. They didn't confiscate the whiskey did they? On Monday, February 25, 2013 11:14:10 AM UTC-8, shawn m. wrote: Nice photo of the Pirate Hunqapillar, but I'm probably biased seeing as it's my bike and all :) It was a good ride, though the police swarmed our whiskey stop and broke up our afterparty before anyone finished the ride. It's almost like they knew, somehow...hmm... I suppose after poaching the ride (respectfully... we're not really very good pirates) for 8 years it wasn't a huge surprise. We decamped for Seattle for an ad hoc afterparty at South Lake Union... What Andy didn't mention is the 'Hilly' bit: about 4000 ft of climbing, up to 8.5% grades. Good times! On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:56:34 AM UTC-8, Andy Williams wrote: 33 miles around Bainbridge Island on Sunday, and Chilly Hilly lived up to its name, with 42 degrees and a southwest wind that was b. As Manny says, pictures prove it happenedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/sets/72157632847045107/. Included is the required Rivendell content. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Mixed Terrain Mt. Tam Loop
Jim I went to school up there and rode Mt Tam and surrounding area frequently, when I see pics of Rail Road Grade it brings back great memories. I gotta get back up there and ride. Thanks for the photo's. Hugh Sunland, CA On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:58:04 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: There are so many options when you roll up onto Mt. Tam. We ascended Railroad Grade from Mill Valley, then picked up Hoo Koo Ee Koo Fire Road, which brings you around to the east face of the Mountain. I will say that it's the east face which provides the steepest pitches. HKEK terminates at Blithedale Ridge, and you could either climb (briefly: steeply) Indian Fire road which (after a good climb) connects with Eldridge Grade (which can drop down to Lake Lagunitas or climb to the East Peak of Mt. Tam. We descended via Blithedale Ridge, which can be reasonably hairy - especially mid summer when trail conditions degrade. It's generally steep, loose, rutted and off-camber, especially at the top. We dropped down, then climbed up towards Corte Madera Ridge (still technically on Blithedale), then followed Blithedale down towards Mill Valley. It had probably been 20 years since I followed that all the way down (used to divert up CM Ridge), and led us down one exit early - which put us into downtown Mill Valley rather than over by the Golf Course. - J On Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote: I saw these. Looks like a good route you need to show me next time! On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:25:57 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Not too many Homer shots as I was taking the pictures, but connected with JimG and Stork for a Railroad Grade Redux - reliving the glory loop of Cyclotouring/BikeTinker/Gino. As Manny oft opines - http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157632847908992/with/8501884081/ - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly 2013
I saw one more green Hillborne on the ferry returning back to Seattle. On Monday, February 25, 2013 9:56:34 AM UTC-8, Andy Williams wrote: 33 miles around Bainbridge Island on Sunday, and Chilly Hilly lived up to its name, with 42 degrees and a southwest wind that was b. As Manny says, pictures prove it happenedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/sets/72157632847045107/. Included is the required Rivendell content. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: East Bay Mixed Terrain Ride 3/3 9:30ish
Bring a bike you don't have to double think about when it comes to riding anything. Anything big tire. On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:16:07 AM UTC-8, William wrote: That's this Sunday? Dude. Might have to do that. Which bike do you want me to bring? On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:26:55 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote: Meet Fremont Bart 930ish. Proposed route. Open to suggestions. http://goo.gl/maps/rDEcp Beauty of doing a ride in the East Bay. Do all of it or part of it. The jumping on Bart is always an option. Near the end fo the ride in Walnut Creek there are rope swings and Tullio sandwiches. Jump on it, literally and figuratively. Get to Fremont early and get a photo and maybe coffee if I can get beans.. Pictures of this ride in reverse. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDmNiB3 -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Now we just need to go outside ride our bikes. Speculation is great good fun but Grant / Rivendell will follow their own internal compass. You never know what will pop up next (diagatube? tentacular stays?) which is all part of the fun. Who'd ever guess about the Apaloosa? dougP On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:36:21 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: I love all the answers. And the what not. But I suppose I forgot to mention I don't care if the bike they come out with didn't have lugs was a mixte with gray primer as pain t and not a single decal. I'm not tall so generally ride a 52 give or take and the thing that drives me crazy is you can't buy a smaller bike with a shallow seat tube. Even the lht-which I have and like well enough-has a 74 degree seat tube. And man I love shallow seat tubes. My wife and I have mountains o' student loans and small children so even when there is enough money I can't justify it. But man do I want the GP sweetness regardless o' what it looks like! this group is the best. On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:58:02 AM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: East Bay Mixed Terrain Ride 3/3 9:30ish
shoot! wish I were there—but it would probably bust my hump again! Have a swell ride. xxoo RCW,MD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: East Bay Mixed Terrain Ride 3/3 9:30ish
OK. I'll put the knobbies back on the Rawland and rock that. See you Sunday! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
Its 35 degrees out with freezing rain. I would rather stay warm and speculate, haha. My first spring with a Rivendell ready to go though, I am super pumped. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Now we just need to go outside ride our bikes. Speculation is great good fun but Grant / Rivendell will follow their own internal compass. You never know what will pop up next (diagatube? tentacular stays?) which is all part of the fun. Who'd ever guess about the Apaloosa? dougP On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:36:21 PM UTC-8, murphyjrfk wrote: I love all the answers. And the what not. But I suppose I forgot to mention I don't care if the bike they come out with didn't have lugs was a mixte with gray primer as pain t and not a single decal. I'm not tall so generally ride a 52 give or take and the thing that drives me crazy is you can't buy a smaller bike with a shallow seat tube. Even the lht-which I have and like well enough-has a 74 degree seat tube. And man I love shallow seat tubes. My wife and I have mountains o' student loans and small children so even when there is enough money I can't justify it. But man do I want the GP sweetness regardless o' what it looks like! this group is the best. On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:58:02 AM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] tanaka fenders
An example of a Euro-style workstand is the Park PRS-20. You have to take off a wheel and the workstand will clamp on the dropout ad support the BB shell. http://www.parktool.com/product/team-race-stand-prs-20 Compare this to the more normal Park workstand, where clamping is at the seatpost or either the top tube or seat tube. I don't like clamping on the frame and I don't have enough seatpost exposed (a fistful of seatpost) so I have to use a long sacrificial seatpost which is more work than removing a wheel. http://www.parktool.com/product/deluxe-home-mechanic-repair-stand-pcs-4-1 On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:31:51 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote: pardon my ignorance. What's a Euro Style workstand? Michael On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:35:18 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: I'm with Franklyn regarding the Tanaka fenders. I've got a 26x60mm set on my Atlantis and it took an hour or two to install, *after* I gathered all the necessary hardware and tools (spacers, drill, etc). It's not hard work, but one needs to be patient and knowing the tricks of installing metal fenders help. It is worth repeating that unlike plastic fenders, metal fenders should be installed without built-in stress. As for your questions, the gauge of the Tanaka fenders are similarly * lithe* like the Honjos. The finish on the fenders isn't bad at all and are mostly indistinguishable from the Honjos (or at least I couldn't see significant differences). The design and quality of the fittings, however, are noticeably worse than those from Honjo and Bethouds (I don't have experience with VO fenders). Unlike the Honjo, the Tanaka stays are dull and stain easily. The Tanaka daruma bolts, although stainless, also aren't in the same league as the Honjos; it's like cast+plated vs. stamped parts, if that can be an analogy. Actually, I don't mind the length of the Tanaka fenders. Yes, they're shorter than Honjos, so fender flaps are mandatory. But they're short enough such that I can actually put the bike on Euro style workstands because the front flap can bend easily. With Honjos, I have to use a standard Park workstand. Although standard Park workstands are fine, I prefer the Euro style workstands as they're more stable. Same thing with roof racks. Fork-clamp racks become an option if you don't have long front fenders getting in the way. Finally, they're nice enough and cheap enough that I'll be getting another set for my LHT. I think that's probably the best endorsement - a repeat customer. On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:47:40 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Great, thanks. They are shorter, but not as short as many plastic fenders, and I always install mudflaps. How does the quality -- gauge of the metal, design and quality of the fittings -- compare with Honjos or Berthouds? (VO's, at least the pair I bought 3 years or so ago, is not as good, but for the price acceptable.) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM, franklyn sin...@msn.com wrote: Though I haven't installed a pair on a Riv, I have installed two pairs, one on a Raleigh One-Way and the other on my repainted 80's Specialized Sequoia. Pictures are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157632662017902/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/franklyn/sets/72157622864069891/ They are as much or as little pain as installing Honjo, VO, and Berthoud metal fenders. For both bikes I used 700x45mm alloy fenders, and the front one is significantly shorter than its Honjo and VO counterparts. You can get them at a price cheaper than SKS chromoplastic fenders from Tree Fort Bikes or Outside Outfitters. (I got mine for under $40 before shipping). best, Franklyn Berkeley, CA On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:12:45 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: And they come in a moderate 559 size -- great! and the price is not bad. I'll be curious to learn of anyone's experience about the quality and fit. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Seth Vidal skv...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone here installed these on a riv? http://store.somafab.com/**taaltrfe.htmlhttp://store.somafab.com/taaltrfe.html I'm thinking of a set for the hilsen over some jack brown tires. I'm kinda curious how much of a pain they are to install. Thanks, -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact
Re: [RBW] Ride Review: The Appaloosa
Sounds like a happy revelation; congratulations! On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:07:22 PM UTC-5, René wrote: It will be the Apaliesl!!! Sorry I was out of town and didn't get a chance to meet you and go on the ride... Here's to next time! At least I enjoyed the photos. René On Tuesday, February 26, 2013, Liesl wrote: This bike is •the bomb*. I think there's the impression out in the cloud that suggests it's a cruiser built for flat-lands. I don't think this idea holds much water to anyone who saw Keven drop like a falcon on a vole during his Appaloosa-descent down Shell Ridge this past Sunday. With those l-o-n-g chainstays and diagatubes, the bike held a line over rough terrain that was elegant and true—and fast. This is not to mention all the other parts of the uphill-and-down single-track trail riding that the Appaloosa handled like, well, like its namesake. At 5'2,I never thought this design could be made small enough for me—but there it was, a little Appaloosa that I could stand over. I took it for a ride, and then rode it again, and then rode it some more…I took it for spins 4 days in a row and just fell in love. The Bosco's are crazy comfy and a million hand positions, goofy as they look. Upright, relaxed with elbows on the grips, crouched down with hands on the flats—whatever you need. This bike is really a bit of a revolution. Mine will be maybe the 7th (?) in the world and will be the only one with canti's, 26 wheels, and clearance for 55cm fatty tires and fenders. It'll be a Riv Chica War Horse! SO that's the news on the custom front. RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 4 struts on a Mark's rack on a Betty
You mean like this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8506365178/in/photostream I think it's actually quite neat, and it makes for more triangles. I like more triangles, and all I had were the offset struts. You'll see they're back-to-back against each other, so one is biased towards the inside, the other towards the outside. This also means (to my amateur mind) that there's less loading (laterally, that is) on the strut. On Monday, February 25, 2013 7:33:27 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote: Since my wife carries a lot more than 4.4lbs in the Wald zip-tied to her Mark's, I'd like to add two extra struts from the back eyelets on the rack to the mid-fork braze-ons. I don't have the extra two struts that the Mark's came with, so I was going to order two 16.5cm bent Nitto struts from Riv (I know I need to order the nuts, too). But looking at a couple of photos of Riv staff bikes (Miesha and Brian), I notice that they used 4 straight struts and attached them both to the outside of the hourglass mounts on the fork. I was imagining attaching the bent struts to the inside part of the hourglass mounts, and would think that might be marginally more rigid/sturdy. Any reason why I shouldn't? Is there not enough room for brake clearance (Tektro 559s)? Does it look ugly? Any other thoughts? What about using the two short straight struts on the rack's rear eyelets, and getting two long straight struts to connect to the dropout eyelets? Has anyone done that? Do you like it? Is it sturdier? I know I should just call Riv, but it's too early there, and too late here (Thailand) to stay up another 2 hours. Thanks! Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Urban Solo ride.
Nice pix. I use to water ski as a kid a Hansen Dam. Now live in NorCal. On Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:35:19 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote: Had a ride planned with another rider things just come up. I just had to get out and ride on such a beautiful day. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157632838897525/ Hugh Sunland, Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Review: The Appaloosa
Agreed, Sho! The way the diagonals swoop to resolution as stays is beautiful, and it sounds like the ride is even better. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: What a great camping trip (thx to all for posting pix)! The first time I saw the mystery bike, I thought, whoa, but not in a good way. Then, as more pics of the diagatubes and long chain stays have become familiar to me, I think whoa, in a good way. Keven's bike looks terrific-- I want one, don't know the color, but definitely creme headtube. It'd have a front derailer, too. Albas or Boscos, don't know, but I was dreaming about that custom until RCW shattered it! :) Lucky 7 to RCW-- pedal on the War Horse... PS-- tell Grant to hurry up and make this a production reality for the rest of us. --sho On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:51:52 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote: This bike is •the bomb*. I think there's the impression out in the cloud that suggests it's a cruiser built for flat-lands. I don't think this idea holds much water to anyone who saw Keven drop like a falcon on a vole during his Appaloosa-descent down Shell Ridge this past Sunday. With those l-o-n-g chainstays and diagatubes, the bike held a line over rough terrain that was elegant and true—and fast. This is not to mention all the other parts of the uphill-and-down single-track trail riding that the Appaloosa handled like, well, like its namesake. At 5'2,I never thought this design could be made small enough for me—but there it was, a little Appaloosa that I could stand over. I took it for a ride, and then rode it again, and then rode it some more…I took it for spins 4 days in a row and just fell in love. The Bosco's are crazy comfy and a million hand positions, goofy as they look. Upright, relaxed with elbows on the grips, crouched down with hands on the flats—whatever you need. This bike is really a bit of a revolution. Mine will be maybe the 7th (?) in the world and will be the only one with canti's, 26 wheels, and clearance for 55cm fatty tires and fenders. It'll be a Riv Chica War Horse! SO that's the news on the custom front. RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6dix1wXHV28/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Budget Riv? Still on the horizon?
I would like to replace my LHT with a Soma Saga version of the Riv Atlantis. I am thinking Taiwan built, Riv lugs, Tange Prestige, long head tube, quill stem, 50mm tires without fenders, kickstand plate, and cantilever brakes. * *I wouldn't mind powder coat instead of paint because the paint jobs on my San Marcos and Double Cross are nothing to write home about. At the moment, all of my spare funds are going into a 16 year-old Santana Noventa, so there is plenty of time for Merry Sales and Grant to get together on this project for me...;) On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:58:02 AM UTC-6, murphyjrfk wrote: Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Recently joined the group; and now a new Riv [frame] owner
Just over an hour ago, I snagged the last Sam Hillborne frame from Riv at the sale price; I'm going to wait on the build a bit and think over drops, moustaches, or albies, but am leaning towards the albatross bars as something new for me. But really, I can't wait to try the new ride. Much appreciation to this welcoming group. Any Riv riders in South Florida? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Ride Review: The Appaloosa
Indeed - that bicycle is amazingly capable of demolishing preconceptions. It is a revelation. I've kinda-wanted-but-held-off-getting a longbike for a bit. Now that I've ridden the Appaloosa, I'm very glad I did. Ain't nuthin' like it, and it's quite a bike. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
