Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Evan evanellio...@gmail.com wrote: Now that this thread has cooled off -- and also because Grant started a new follow-up post -- may I ask you-all some very basic questions about trail? You can get back issues of Bike Quarterly for a reasonable price. A good geometry primer is included in http://www.bikequarterly.com/bq102.html. Jan's Raid Pyrénéen is a great story in that issue, too. Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Raingear
Deacon,
I doubt it's as quiet as a cotton chambray shirt, but it is as quiet as an
old 60/40 cotton/nylon jacket I have. I absolutely cannot abide a noisy
jacket. . .
Cheers!
lyle
On 9 May 2013 22:16, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Thank you, Lyle. Could you do me a favor and tell me how much noise it
makes compared to a cotton chambray shirt? I generally avoid nylon because
it makes more noise than that.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:23:17 PM UTC-6, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote:
Deacon, I'm coming late to this thread but I'll add my thoughts anyway.
I've used many different shells for a variety of activities such as
cycling, running including mountain and trail running, climbing, skiing,
and on and on. I've really enjoyed this jacket:
http://www.bicycleclothing.**com/Waterproof-Breathable-**
Rain-Jackets.htmlhttp://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html
I've used it cycling, running, and bouldering in the high desert area of
Arizona when I worked on the Navajo Reservation, Cycling, rowing, and
running in the Pacific Northwest, and now out here in mid-coast Maine. It
is tough as nails, very well thought out, and due to the benefits of the
long pit zips and vented back, I've stayed dry enough (whatever that
means), neither soaked from within or without.
Made in the US for what that's worth and a decent price as well.
Cheers!
lyle
On 9 May 2013 19:49, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:
Thanks, Tim. Do you, or anyone else on the list, have experience with
how much more double ventile works than single?
What sent me searching is not anything directly from yesterday, but had
I been out camping yesterday, I would have loved to be less damp when I
stopped cycling. My core was lightly damp, my arms wringably damp but not
soaked and I was toasty warm.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:14:41 PM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote:
Raingear simply doesn't work at keeping you dry if you are doing
something like riding up a hill. There is no point in worrying about
staying dry because it's not going to happen. You are either going to get
wet from rain or wet from sweat. The main thing is to avoid hypothermia if
it is cool and wet, especially when descending.
My single layer Ventile jacket is one of the best breathing jackets I
have used, but it is a showerproof rather than rainproof jacket. The
Greenspot jacket is double layered Ventile- less breathable but resistant
to water intrusion longer.
As for rain jackets, my Showers Pass is the best I have used. It is
well ventilated and made from eVent material. It won't keep you dry for 6
hours in a downpour, but then in those cases you should probably be
indoors. ;-) In a long soaking rain with little wind, I would prefer my
Carradice rain cape. The ventilation is about as good as it gets and just
the tops of my arms and shoulders get damp with sweat.
On May 9, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:
In my experience if a jacket needs ventilation zips it isn't breathable
enough even with them.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:42:44 PM UTC-6, Norman R wrote:
I don't know ventile, but I'd like pit zips.
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I have a single layer ventile jacket. It's great for rain/wet snow 2
hours or less, but soaks through after that (like yesterdays 6 hour
ride).
I'm looking for ideas that meet these criteria:
-- Highly breathable. No less breathable than ventile.
-- At least as hearty against brush, briers, and branches as ventile.
-- Hood option, ideally removable/stoable.
-- Shell only for year-round use.
Im considering Hilltrek's Greenspot Double Ventile, but it is pricy.
http://www.hillgear.**com**/acatalog/copy_of_Cycling_**Doub**
le_Ventile_Jacket.htmlhttp://www.hillgear.com/acatalog/copy_of_Cycling_Double_Ventile_Jacket.html
Other ideas?
With abandon,
Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Soma forks have 1-1/8 threadless steerers - too big to fit in Riv frames, which are made for 1 steerers. So converting your Riv to low trail isn't quite that easy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 22:27 -0700, Evan wrote: Now that this thread has cooled off -- and also because Grant started a new follow-up post -- may I ask you-all some very basic questions about trail? This may help: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php 1. Does fork rake/offset alone determine trail? No. See the variables in the above calculator. 2. If so, how much rake is low trail? About 45mm? 3. How much rake is mid trail? About 55mm? 4. How much rake is high trail? About 65mm? (I'd love to hear, in hard numbers if possible, what constitutes low-medium-high trail. Otherwise the distinctions blur too much to be useful.) Varies by wheel size/tire width. A value that would be low trail for a bike equipped with 700Cx32mm would be mid trail for one with 42x650B. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Raingear
Very helpful, Lyle. May be worth a shot. Thank you!
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, May 10, 2013 5:10:52 AM UTC-6, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote:
Deacon,
I doubt it's as quiet as a cotton chambray shirt, but it is as quiet as an
old 60/40 cotton/nylon jacket I have. I absolutely cannot abide a noisy
jacket. . .
Cheers!
lyle
On 9 May 2013 22:16, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript:wrote:
Thank you, Lyle. Could you do me a favor and tell me how much noise it
makes compared to a cotton chambray shirt? I generally avoid nylon because
it makes more noise than that.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:23:17 PM UTC-6, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote:
Deacon, I'm coming late to this thread but I'll add my thoughts anyway.
I've used many different shells for a variety of activities such as
cycling, running including mountain and trail running, climbing, skiing,
and on and on. I've really enjoyed this jacket:
http://www.bicycleclothing.**com/Waterproof-Breathable-**
Rain-Jackets.htmlhttp://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html
I've used it cycling, running, and bouldering in the high desert area of
Arizona when I worked on the Navajo Reservation, Cycling, rowing, and
running in the Pacific Northwest, and now out here in mid-coast Maine. It
is tough as nails, very well thought out, and due to the benefits of the
long pit zips and vented back, I've stayed dry enough (whatever that
means), neither soaked from within or without.
Made in the US for what that's worth and a decent price as well.
Cheers!
lyle
On 9 May 2013 19:49, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:
Thanks, Tim. Do you, or anyone else on the list, have experience with
how much more double ventile works than single?
What sent me searching is not anything directly from yesterday, but had
I been out camping yesterday, I would have loved to be less damp when I
stopped cycling. My core was lightly damp, my arms wringably damp but not
soaked and I was toasty warm.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:14:41 PM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote:
Raingear simply doesn't work at keeping you dry if you are doing
something like riding up a hill. There is no point in worrying about
staying dry because it's not going to happen. You are either going to
get
wet from rain or wet from sweat. The main thing is to avoid hypothermia
if
it is cool and wet, especially when descending.
My single layer Ventile jacket is one of the best breathing jackets
I have used, but it is a showerproof rather than rainproof jacket. The
Greenspot jacket is double layered Ventile- less breathable but resistant
to water intrusion longer.
As for rain jackets, my Showers Pass is the best I have used. It is
well ventilated and made from eVent material. It won't keep you dry for
6
hours in a downpour, but then in those cases you should probably be
indoors. ;-) In a long soaking rain with little wind, I would prefer my
Carradice rain cape. The ventilation is about as good as it gets and
just
the tops of my arms and shoulders get damp with sweat.
On May 9, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:
In my experience if a jacket needs ventilation zips it isn't
breathable enough even with them.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:42:44 PM UTC-6, Norman R wrote:
I don't know ventile, but I'd like pit zips.
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I have a single layer ventile jacket. It's great for rain/wet snow 2
hours or less, but soaks through after that (like yesterdays 6 hour
ride).
I'm looking for ideas that meet these criteria:
-- Highly breathable. No less breathable than ventile.
-- At least as hearty against brush, briers, and branches as ventile.
-- Hood option, ideally removable/stoable.
-- Shell only for year-round use.
Im considering Hilltrek's Greenspot Double Ventile, but it is
pricy. http://www.hillgear.**com**/acatalog/copy_of_Cycling_**Doub**
le_Ventile_Jacket.htmlhttp://www.hillgear.com/acatalog/copy_of_Cycling_Double_Ventile_Jacket.html
Other ideas?
With abandon,
Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?
And 650b wheels-love my 52cm 'Beam! Steve On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Rick Houston rp.hous...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, the smaller QB's (Erin's was a 52) used sidepulls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Soma forks have 1-1/8 threadless steerers - too big to fit in Riv frames, which are made for 1 steerers. So converting your Riv to low trail isn't quite that easy. I do not know about Soma, but the Rene Herse store currently has 1 threadless Boulder canti forks on sale. http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-1002/Boulder-Bicycle-Fork-700c/Detail These are painted already black. If you want a low trail fork painted to Rivendell standards you would need to have it sand blasted first. Believe Waterford makes the Boulder forks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally
I intend to come up from Michigan. I'll roll with your plan to get a sight at Forestville for three nights and return Monday. I can get my own or share, if sharing is a possibility, let me know in a few days, Otherwise I will reserve one next Wed. Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com 269-910-3251 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
actually the smaller wheel diameter of the 650B reduces the trail on the example provided. The mechanical trail per Jim's calculator is 43 mm for the 700c wheel and 40 mm for the 650B wheel. Both would be considered low trail. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally
Great! So far I know of three people who reserved sites. Rumor has it that the park rangers are flexible about the number of small tents, so I think you can probably count on sharing a site, if you choose. The campground has a number of non-reservable sites, for those who show up without reservations. Somehow, someway, it'll work. On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote: I intend to come up from Michigan. I'll roll with your plan to get a sight at Forestville for three nights and return Monday. I can get my own or share, if sharing is a possibility, let me know in a few days, Otherwise I will reserve one next Wed. Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com javascript: 269-910-3251 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Thanks, Jan-terrific reading, and it informs the discussion to have it direct from (one of) the horses mouth as it were... Steve On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: I think there is less difference between Grant's ideas and Bicycle Quarterly than many surmise. We both want versatile and durable bikes that are fun to ride and look nice. Whether it's a fully integrated 650B randonneur bike or a Homer Hilsen, both machines allow you to ride in places where 99% of commercially available bikes will be compromised. From a technical perspective, I also agree more with Grant than most people realize. Grant's vision is a versatile, affordable bike, which can be modified to suit. If you want plastic fenders one year, wooden fenders the next, a front rack today and a rear rack tomorrow, then Grant's designs provide a platform that can handle it all. It's sort of like a separate-frame 1950s car, which can be equipped with a sports car body, a convertible body, a sedan body or a pickup body, all on the same chassis. Grant's bikes can do that. They can be ridden by a variety of riders, equipped with a variety of tire sizes. They are a modular platform for experimentation. They don't lock you into a single way of riding, like a narrow-tire racing bike would. Compared to the 1950s car, a modern car's body is load-bearing, so you can't change it easily. The suspension is designed for a certain tire size, so you shouldn't put on wider tires or bigger wheels without changing the setup. Even the seats are specific, and putting in different ones would be difficult. The fully integrated constructeur bike is similar. It is optimized for a certain rider, a certain tire size, a certain load and even a certain fender style. The integrated design still can be very versatile – you can take a modern BMW M3 on a race track or commute in it to work. Our second tester Mark has ridden his 650B randonneur bike in brevets, commuting, in pacelines with racers, and on camping tours. The difference is that you achieve that versatility within its original design. Mark's bike works well with a handlebar bag and front low-riders, but a rear rack would not work well at all. His bike handles with precision under a rider who has a light touch on the handlebars, but would not work for somebody who grips the bars with more force. Its geometry is optimized for 40 mm tires, but with 32s, it wouldn't be so much fun. On the plus side, its performance is superior to that of the adaptable design, which by definition cannot be optimized for a single setup. On the down side, a constructeur bike is much more expensive, because everything has to be designed specifically for the bike. So it's really about choice: If you want something that is affordable and can grow with you as you experiment with new ways of riding and new ways of setting up your bike, then a Rivendell is an excellent choice. If you are an experienced rider and know what you want, and you ride enough that the high cost of a constructeur bike will amortize itself, then the constructeur machine offers a performance that is without equal. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at www.janheine.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Tan Sackvilles
My new Tan Sackville SaddleSack arrived in the mail this morning! Took it for a ride and I love it. On the looks...I think tan goes with more color schemes than green or tweed. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:25:14 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Thought I wouldn't like them but now that the pictures are up they look really sharp. Might age a bit better than the greens did too since they are already the sandy color my greens turned in all the bends and seams. I am sad to see there are so few tweed offerings though. I would think tweed really represents Rivendell, I mean it is the background on their website and all... http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bastss-tan.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times
I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be comfortable. Not just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that being comfortable allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. Plus, at 55 years old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to be able to ride daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the last ride. So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride. But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, the San Marcos is $1,300 less. Analysis paralysis, I know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R norr...@gmail.com wrote: I felt it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/ On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: That last was meant for Tim :-) Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hey Norman get out of my head! :-) The greatest Hobo Band ever. RIP Richard, Rick Levon. My sound track through life. Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:38:33 PM UTC-7, Norman R wrote: My idea of classy hobo. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:51 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote: Love the ClassyHobo thing...I picture a charlie chaplain type leaning against a Homer and contently looking at the world go by On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:59:00 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he likes bikes and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really nothing he left out, or to add. One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that a group like this has already been filtered through progressively finer sieves until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while maybe losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, vaudeville, and black holes. Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're both practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the '40s and no doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of it, and there were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!). CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking up with assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on forks and trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress in carbon, or something. So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or less integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar bags---in the picture that's only slightly bigger than the one outside the powerful microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like salt's contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is thumbs-upping Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that he's actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and tastes, educating along the way. Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as I call them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of the bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and I'm one he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing and I'm down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as antagonists, which makes us both feel weird, sinceit ain't like that at all. I've known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us together and keeps us that way. His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have dipped into it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels like a cozy blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from non-planarial bikes!) G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Some of the things that influence trail include: fork rake head tube angle tire width rim diameter I suspect that the following influence the feel of trail: handlebar height handlebar width point-of-balance on the bicycle I've used the trail calculator linked in this thread quit a bit and fork rake and head tube each have a significant impact for a given rim diameter. Tire width as a small impact. On Friday, May 10, 2013 12:27:58 AM UTC-5, Evan wrote: Now that this thread has cooled off -- and also because Grant started a new follow-up post -- may I ask you-all some very basic questions about trail? 1. Does fork rake/offset alone determine trail? 2. If so, how much rake is low trail? About 45mm? 3. How much rake is mid trail? About 55mm? 4. How much rake is high trail? About 65mm? (I'd love to hear, in hard numbers if possible, what constitutes low-medium-high trail. Otherwise the distinctions blur too much to be useful.) 5. If I had, say, a Hilsen, could I simply buy the Soma forks that Seth mentioned (http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2013/05/low-trail-forks.html), install them, and have an instant low-trail Hilsen--with no complications? Don't get me wrong. I love Riv and Riv bikes and have no desire to mess with their trail. I'm just curious, is all. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos
It could very well be the tires/wheels that influenced my comparison of the SM to the the Ram. My Roadeo runs on Gran Bois 30 mm. My Ram sported Parigi-Roubaix 27mm (really 29mm) and my SM has Paselas. All of the wheels are traditional box rims laced to Campy hubs. Neither the Ram nor the SM planes the way the Roadeo does for me, especially when climbing. All are still loads of fun. I think he SM is true value for a Riv designed bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
Mouth harp would work too. On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, Lee Legrand krm2...@gmail.com wrote: Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R norr...@gmail.com wrote: I felt it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/ On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: That last was meant for Tim :-) Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hey Norman get out of my head! :-) The greatest Hobo Band ever. RIP Richard, Rick Levon. My sound track through life. Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:38:33 PM UTC-7, Norman R wrote: My idea of classy hobo. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:51 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote: Love the ClassyHobo thing...I picture a charlie chaplain type leaning against a Homer and contently looking at the world go by On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:59:00 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he likes bikes and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really nothing he left out, or to add. One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that a group like this has already been filtered through progressively finer sieves until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while maybe losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, vaudeville, and black holes. Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're both practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the '40s and no doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of it, and there were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!). CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking up with assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on forks and trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress in carbon, or something. So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or less integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar bags---in the picture that's only slightly bigger than the one outside the powerful microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like salt's contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is thumbs-upping Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that he's actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and tastes, educating along the way. Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as I call them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of the bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and I'm one he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing and I'm down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as antagonists, which makes us both feel weird, sinceit ain't like that at all. I've known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us together and keeps us that way. His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have dipped into it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels like a cozy blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from non-planarial bikes!) G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Indeed. Reminds me of a quote I read in a novel, something like Academic infighting is so vicious because the stakes are so small. B-) Steve On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM, RonaTD teddur...@gmail.com wrote: I am completely baffled by people who seem determined to pick a fight over Jan vs Grant. I know them both, have been in fun discussions with them about bikes, read a lot of what they have written, and can't for the life of me figure out why people think there is some sort of holy war worth fighting here. My bike selection includes a Riv custom road bike with a (relatively) modern Campy group, a Heron road with plastic fenders and typical end-o-era Suntour parts, a Riv custom ATB with an eclectic mix, a Quickbeam with plastic fenders and front and rear racks and battery lights, a Protovelo Bleriot with SS couplers, plastic fenders, small rear rack, dyno lights, and a handlebar bag, a Terraferma 650B skinny tube brevet bike with aluminum fenders, dyno lights, and a handlebar bag, and a couple of tandems. (And a Moto Guzzi, but we'll stick to bicycle bikes here). The two bikes that get the most mileage these days are the Protovelo and the Terraferma. Both 650B with 38-42 mm tires, fenders, and dyno lights. I wouldn't hesitate to take the Protovelo on a brevet. In fact, I did a solo 600km ride on it and didn't once think, gee, I wish this thing was lighter and more responsive. But now that I have the Terraferma, it's my first choice for a long ride. Point is, I really like them both, am very happy with them both, and don't understand anyone who says it has to be one or the other. If you can't afford both, pick one and ride the heck out of it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Fork Crowns (Riv Blug)
* I the latest Riv Blug there’s a cool little photo essay of shots of fork crowns, all found in the East Village of NYC. Before heading out the door this morning I headed down to the basement a snapped a couple quick pics of similar fork crowns. Not great pics - taken with the iPad on the fly, but you get the idea. The first is a bike that was hanging around my local LBS and I picked up last weekend for $25. Pretty rough, but some poking around Bike Forums and a little work with Goof-Off on the rattlecan paint job showed it’s definitely French and almost for sure a Stella from the early 70’s. There’s a triangular Columbus tubing sticker and original orange paint. http://www.flickr.com/photos/8199310@N04/8725071061/in/photostream The second is from a pre-Grant Bridgestone Regulus, $40 on CL http://www.flickr.com/photos/8199310@N04/8725070981/in/photostream Mike* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
or just hambone it! On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Mouth harp would work too. On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, Lee Legrand krm2...@gmail.com wrote: Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R norr...@gmail.com wrote: I felt it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/ On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: That last was meant for Tim :-) Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hey Norman get out of my head! :-) The greatest Hobo Band ever. RIP Richard, Rick Levon. My sound track through life. Hugh On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:38:33 PM UTC-7, Norman R wrote: My idea of classy hobo. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:51 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote: Love the ClassyHobo thing...I picture a charlie chaplain type leaning against a Homer and contently looking at the world go by On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:59:00 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he likes bikes and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really nothing he left out, or to add. One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that a group like this has already been filtered through progressively finer sieves until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while maybe losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, vaudeville, and black holes. Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're both practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the '40s and no doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of it, and there were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!). CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking up with assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on forks and trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress in carbon, or something. So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or less integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar bags---in the picture that's only slightly bigger than the one outside the powerful microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like salt's contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is thumbs-upping Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that he's actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and tastes, educating along the way. Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as I call them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of the bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and I'm one he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing and I'm down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as antagonists, which makes us both feel weird, sinceit ain't like that at all. I've known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us together and keeps us that way. His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have dipped into it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels like a cozy blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from non-planarial bikes!) G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times
Doug, I know exactly what you mean. I too am looking for a road quick bike that i can put albatross bars on and be COMFORTABLE. Age creeps up on us and riding can become a burden if there is a long recovery. That doesn't make us want to not go faster...it just makes us hurt more if we do. I owned a Gunnar Sport that may have been perfect for that kind of riding. I never put anything other than drops on it but thinking back I probably should have... just to know. Good luck in your search On Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:33:15 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be comfortable. Not just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that being comfortable allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. Plus, at 55 years old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to be able to ride daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the last ride. So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride. But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, the San Marcos is $1,300 less. Analysis paralysis, I know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times
I'm quite confident that you can get into the right position in terms of saddle height bars etc. on both the San Marcos and the Roadeo. I'm also pretty sure that a half a pound here or there is not going to make you appreciably faster on a long solo ride. I think the tires that you use will make much more of a difference than the frame you get. Wide supple tires will make that long solo ride less jarring for the bones and less drag on your speed. For long solo rides, I don't think you need a rear rack. I think it's more convenient to have a small front rack (Mark's rack) and easy access to your jacket and some food etc. For extra storage, I use larger saddlebags... Good luck! Toshi On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be comfortable. Not just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that being comfortable allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. Plus, at 55 years old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to be able to ride daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the last ride. So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride. But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, the San Marcos is $1,300 less. Analysis paralysis, I know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS: 110 BCD Chain Rings
Both the TA rings have been claimed. The two 48T FSA rings as a pair $60, OR all three FSA rings (2x48, 1x46) $89 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs
Grant and Jan, thanks. Both of you helped me look at cycling in new ways and I'm really grateful. Keep up the good work. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 06:43 -0700, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Some of the things that influence trail include: fork rake head tube angle tire width rim diameter I suspect that the following influence the feel of trail: handlebar height handlebar width point-of-balance on the bicycle and amount of load and where carried I've used the trail calculator linked in this thread quit a bit and fork rake and head tube each have a significant impact for a given rim diameter. Tire width as a small impact. Tire width has a small inpact on geometric trail. Tire width has a large impact on pneumatic trail. The two combine to produce overall trail. When you widen the tires and increase pneumatic trail, you need to reduce geometric trail, or else you end up with excessive trail and the bike feel sluggish. When you narrow the tires you need to increase the geometric trail, or you may end up with insufficient stability. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Clackamas River Ramble
The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and uncharacteristically magnificent for the past week. I was fortunate yesterday to get out for a nice 90 mile ramble. I've been cherishing these rides lately as things will be changing soon and I won't have the ability to get out for rides like this. I noodled through town at a mellow pace on back streets until getting on the Springwater Corridor (SC) which took me to Boring. The SC is really nice and makes getting out of Portland easy although it can be a bit monotonous as it's flat and straight. The last 2 miles or so into Boring it's not paved which is kinda nice and wakes you up. In Boring I picked up a muffin and some V8 and prepared for 4 miles of stressful riding down to Hwy 224. To link from Boring to 224 you have to ride this connector road, Amissiger Rd, that rolls for a few miles and then drops down to 224. There's no shoulder and the locals drive the road fast so it can be a bit unnerving. Once down on 224 it's 10 miles to Estacada. Although there's a fair amount of traffic on 224 the shoulder is huge and it doesn't bother me. It always seems to go by fast. Once you leave Estacada things change a lot. You have a choice of continuing on 224 which mellows out a ton traffic wise but climbs for 5 miles or you can roll along a bike path that is relatively flat and runs parallel to Faraday Lake and damn. I chose the climb as the view from the top is stupendous. While the climb is exposed and hot yesterday, it's never really that steep. Once at the top you have a bomber descent down to Promontory Park and from there the road really mellows out and follows the Clackamas River. As much as I wanted to head out the 18 miles further to Ripplebrook Ranger Station I knew I'd just be beat coming home. I went a few miles, stopped at Sun Strip Campground which was empty and ate my almond butter and jelly sandwich, had another V8 and just enjoyed the sound of the river. It felt so good to be out there on the edge of the woods and close by the river with no one else around. Since I had kept the pace mellowed but stayed well fueled I felt fine. After 1/2hr I decided to turn around and head home. Rather than going up over 224 again I opted to take the bike path along Faraday Lake. As much as I hate the climb back up Amissiger Rd, it was uneventful with the exception of one RV that got a little too close. I got back on the SC and rolled back into town. In spite of my rambling pace, I still got back close to my home before 5pm and was able to stop and enjoy coffee at Barista before walking in the door to my house at 6pm. It was a wonderful day on the bike. As for the bike... my LHT remains my go to bike lately as it's comfortable and dependable although a bit sluggish. As Manny says, pictures proved it happened: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633447766615/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bridgestone FS
$350? Seems pricey. Edwin in Nashville - saw it on craigslit, but it is too small! On Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:49:50 PM UTC-5, cwr wrote: Not mine. Nashville Craigslist http://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/3795488956.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail vs. geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 15:28 -0700, Evan wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail vs. geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!) The end result -- intuitive handling -- is easy. The variables to get you there are subtle. It's only simple if you narrow the range of possibilities considerably: say, for example, considering only racing bikes with 23mm tires. Then things get simpler. Throw in different tire sizes, bikes intended to carry heavy loads, etc., things get a lot more complicated, and not necessarily in an obvious way. If you're interested, there are several highly interesting articles in Bicycle Quarterly on this subject. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
Dave Moulton's blog (http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/) discusses trail toward the bottom where a link takes you to an earlier entry on trail -- and that in turn to a yet older one. I can't say if he is right, but he has certainly ridden a lot and built a lot of bikes. At any rate, an interesting perspective with reference to history (he started racing in the early 1950s). On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Evan evanellio...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail vs. geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Just wundrin if you can sit almost bolt upright with them on your Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
I wouldn't say bolt upright. The Boscos are better for that, if that's your goal. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:54 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo? Just wundrin if you can sit almost bolt upright with them on your Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
If you go with a short stem, you can get super upright. I had the short stem/alba (actually Soma Oxford, but whatever) on my Soma bike and it was seriously upright. I went with a longer (12cm) stem on my Riv with the Oxfords and it's a totally different feel; I can angle the bars down and lean into them now. On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:54:16 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Just wundrin if you can sit almost bolt upright with them on your Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Whether the parts will let you achieve this position or no, has anyone asked whether it's a good idea to do so? n Fri, 2013-05-10 at 17:46 -0700, Scot Brooks wrote: If you go with a short stem, you can get super upright. I had the short stem/alba (actually Soma Oxford, but whatever) on my Soma bike and it was seriously upright. I went with a longer (12cm) stem on my Riv with the Oxfords and it's a totally different feel; I can angle the bars down and lean into them now. On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:54:16 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Just wundrin if you can sit almost bolt upright with them on your Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Clackamas River Ramble
Seeing these pics has me thinking that your suggestion of doing our family bike tour up the Clackamas is a great idea. Gadzooks it's pretty up there. On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:11:55 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote: The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and uncharacteristically magnificent for the past week. I was fortunate yesterday to get out for a nice 90 mile ramble. I've been cherishing these rides lately as things will be changing soon and I won't have the ability to get out for rides like this. I noodled through town at a mellow pace on back streets until getting on the Springwater Corridor (SC) which took me to Boring. The SC is really nice and makes getting out of Portland easy although it can be a bit monotonous as it's flat and straight. The last 2 miles or so into Boring it's not paved which is kinda nice and wakes you up. In Boring I picked up a muffin and some V8 and prepared for 4 miles of stressful riding down to Hwy 224. To link from Boring to 224 you have to ride this connector road, Amissiger Rd, that rolls for a few miles and then drops down to 224. There's no shoulder and the locals drive the road fast so it can be a bit unnerving. Once down on 224 it's 10 miles to Estacada. Although there's a fair amount of traffic on 224 the shoulder is huge and it doesn't bother me. It always seems to go by fast. Once you leave Estacada things change a lot. You have a choice of continuing on 224 which mellows out a ton traffic wise but climbs for 5 miles or you can roll along a bike path that is relatively flat and runs parallel to Faraday Lake and damn. I chose the climb as the view from the top is stupendous. While the climb is exposed and hot yesterday, it's never really that steep. Once at the top you have a bomber descent down to Promontory Park and from there the road really mellows out and follows the Clackamas River. As much as I wanted to head out the 18 miles further to Ripplebrook Ranger Station I knew I'd just be beat coming home. I went a few miles, stopped at Sun Strip Campground which was empty and ate my almond butter and jelly sandwich, had another V8 and just enjoyed the sound of the river. It felt so good to be out there on the edge of the woods and close by the river with no one else around. Since I had kept the pace mellowed but stayed well fueled I felt fine. After 1/2hr I decided to turn around and head home. Rather than going up over 224 again I opted to take the bike path along Faraday Lake. As much as I hate the climb back up Amissiger Rd, it was uneventful with the exception of one RV that got a little too close. I got back on the SC and rolled back into town. In spite of my rambling pace, I still got back close to my home before 5pm and was able to stop and enjoy coffee at Barista before walking in the door to my house at 6pm. It was a wonderful day on the bike. As for the bike... my LHT remains my go to bike lately as it's comfortable and dependable although a bit sluggish. As Manny says, pictures proved it happened: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633447766615/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
If it works...it's a good idea -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
What a great discussion. As someone who has changed two of his four Rivendell bikes to low trail forks to try to discover what the whole trail thing was about, I can say the following in a completely subjective manner: - Had I discovered Jan's low trail randonneurs instead of Grant's versatile Rivendell mid-trail bikes, I would have completely missed the boat and would have become convinced that riding any bike pain-free was an utopic dream (for me). - Grant's philosophy of bike design, construction and most importantly fit, allowed me to make that utopic dream a reality with its higher handlebars and other details. All of the low-trail rando bikes I've seen are set up with bars lower than the saddle, which triggers a lot of pain for me and would have made it impossible to enjoy. - It took me several years of riding Grant's bikes and making adjustments progressively to get to the point where I could ride pain free for a couple of hours (the current limit of my fitness/endurance) and enjoy the total ride. It's one thing to suffer for lack of fitness, which you can improve, and another to suffer due to incorrect fit/position due to your body characteristics. I can't explain why I was so slow in adopting the RBW fit philosophy in its totality, but for some reason something in me kept resisting the upright swept-back bars until I finally gave in when Grant launched the Bosco bars. I kept trying to get comfortable on drop bars (and not finding it) and also didn't like the Moustache and Albatross bars when I tried them. - It was only when able to ride pain-free due to Grant's bike philosophy, that exploring other dimensions like low trail finally made sense for me. Remember, just low trail on a Rivendell bike, not the rest of the light tubing rando philosophy. I have the set the goal of trying it out as a reward when I manage to lose around 70-80 lbs. - Will I convert the other two Rivendell bikes to low trail? Not likely. The two issues that triggered this quest for me were shimmy when carrying any load and the desire to carry loads on the front in addition to the rear on my Atlantis and my Hunqapillar. As a bonus, I discovered I not only really like carrying front loads on those bikes, I also enjoy how they ride unloaded as well. - The Betty Foy and the Homer ride very well as they are, and I don't really load them. The Betty is the lowest trail of all the Rivendell bikes I have, and handles beautifully with rear panniers and a commute load. The Homer I pretty much ride unloaded. Is it worth getting a low trail fork for it? I don't think so. I think that when I lose the weight, I'll try to discover what the whole light-tube-low-trail-rando-bike is all about and enrich myself in the process. Until then, I have what I need, and plenty of tweaking and experimenting to do in the meantime! I am thankful I first discovered Rivendell and Grant. Thanks to him and what he stands for, a full and rich horizon in my cycling has opened up for me. One that will always keep the Rivendell philosophy at its core, no matter where the road takes me. And it includes Jan's philosophy as well. And much more. René On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 06:43 -0700, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: Some of the things that influence trail include: fork rake head tube angle tire width rim diameter I suspect that the following influence the feel of trail: handlebar height handlebar width point-of-balance on the bicycle and amount of load and where carried I've used the trail calculator linked in this thread quit a bit and fork rake and head tube each have a significant impact for a given rim diameter. Tire width as a small impact. Tire width has a small inpact on geometric trail. Tire width has a large impact on pneumatic trail. The two combine to produce overall trail. When you widen the tires and increase pneumatic trail, you need to reduce geometric trail, or else you end up with excessive trail and the bike feel sluggish. When you narrow the tires you need to increase the geometric trail, or you may end up with insufficient stability. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Bridgestone FS
I probably wouldn't pay that much, either, but that funky Japan-market rack/lights combo is hard to find on our shores. On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote: $350? Seems pricey. Edwin in Nashville - saw it on craigslit, but it is too small! On Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:49:50 PM UTC-5, cwr wrote: Not mine. Nashville Craigslisthttp://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/3795488956.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 20:09 -0600, René Sterental wrote: - Had I discovered Jan's low trail randonneurs instead of Grant's versatile Rivendell mid-trail bikes, I would have completely missed the boat and would have become convinced that riding any bike pain-free was an utopic dream (for me). - Grant's philosophy of bike design, construction and most importantly fit, allowed me to make that utopic dream a reality with its higher handlebars and other details. All of the low-trail rando bikes I've seen are set up with bars lower than the saddle, which triggers a lot of pain for me and would have made it impossible to enjoy. Handlebar position has nothing to do with whether a bike has low, medium or high trail. It also has nothing to do with whether a bike is suitable for doing long rides, other than as it affects the comfort of the rider, which is individual. For that matter, how much trail a bike may have has nothing to do with whether it's suitable for doing long rides, although it may affect where you would carry the baggage. Remember, just low trail on a Rivendell bike, not the rest of the light tubing rando philosophy. Light tubing has nothing to do with rando philosophy. Plenty of racing bikes in the pro peloton back in the day were made with light tubing. I think that when I lose the weight, I'll try to discover what the whole light-tube-low-trail-rando-bike is all about and enrich myself in the process. You might do better experimenting with one variable at a time. I am thankful I first discovered Rivendell and Grant. Thanks to him and what he stands for, a full and rich horizon in my cycling has opened up for me. One that will always keep the Rivendell philosophy at its core, no matter where the road takes me. And it includes Jan's philosophy as well. And much more. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Uh oh ... here we go again. :) What isn't a good idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and enjoying a ride without pain. I know people with nice bikes who love riding, but due to injury, cannot ride while leaning forward even a little. A very upright riding posture may not be the best way to go fast ... and it may not be the best way to achieve an efficient and powerful position ... but it may be the only way to enjoy riding ... for some. Perhaps before we start judging whether something is a good or bad idea, we might simply and politely answer the question asked by the person posting ... and THEN if there's a question that might be important in return, politely ask them why they might want to do something that's outside the normal use. THEN ... if you have advice to offer that may be helpful within THEIR context, politely do so. BUT ... also accept that what YOU think is right or wrong ... good or bad ... may not apply to everyone (or anyone) else. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Who is judging? Steve just asked the question. This reaction seems a bit excessive. It's spring, fer gawd's sake, let's go and ride off our excess sensitivity. Patrick let's all get a life Moore who had a very nice ride on his Ram today and ***didn't even get a flat***. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:28 PM, VeloZen b...@meadiaproductions.com wrote: Uh oh ... here we go again. :) What isn't a good idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and enjoying a ride without pain. I know people with nice bikes who love riding, but due to injury, cannot ride while leaning forward even a little. A very upright riding posture may not be the best way to go fast ... and it may not be the best way to achieve an efficient and powerful position ... but it may be the only way to enjoy riding ... for some. Perhaps before we start judging whether something is a good or bad idea, we might simply and politely answer the question asked by the person posting ... and THEN if there's a question that might be important in return, politely ask them why they might want to do something that's outside the normal use. THEN ... if you have advice to offer that may be helpful within THEIR context, politely do so. BUT ... also accept that what YOU think is right or wrong ... good or bad ... may not apply to everyone (or anyone) else. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:28 -0700, VeloZen wrote: Uh oh ... here we go again. :) What isn't a good idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and enjoying a ride without pain. I know people with nice bikes who love riding, but due to injury, cannot ride while leaning forward even a little. A very upright riding posture may not be the best way to go fast ... and it may not be the best way to achieve an efficient and powerful position ... but it may be the only way to enjoy riding ... for some. Granted; but for many, probably most, others it can be quite wrong for comfort as well as speed and efficiency. Perhaps before we start judging whether something is a good or bad idea, we might simply and politely answer the question asked by the person posting ... which had been done and THEN if there's a question that might be important in return, politely ask them why they might want to do something that's outside the normal use. THEN ... if you have advice to offer that may be helpful within THEIR context, politely do so. BUT ... also accept that what YOU think is right or wrong ... good or bad ... may not apply to everyone (or anyone) else. I think you're reading an awful lot into the simple question Has anyone asked whether it's a good idea to do so? When it come to technology we're very quick to ask how to do something, often don't even bother to ask whether we should do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur bicycle. It takes more than just a fork. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:28 -0700, VeloZen wrote: Uh oh ... here we go again. :) What isn't a good idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and enjoying a ride without pain. I know people with nice bikes who love riding, but due to injury, cannot ride while leaning forward even a little. A very upright riding posture may not be the best way to go fast ... and it may not be the best way to achieve an efficient and powerful position ... but it may be the only way to enjoy riding ... for some. Granted; but for many, probably most, others it can be quite wrong for comfort as well as speed and efficiency. Perhaps before we start judging whether something is a good or bad idea, we might simply and politely answer the question asked by the person posting ... which had been done and THEN if there's a question that might be important in return, politely ask them why they might want to do something that's outside the normal use. THEN ... if you have advice to offer that may be helpful within THEIR context, politely do so. BUT ... also accept that what YOU think is right or wrong ... good or bad ... may not apply to everyone (or anyone) else. I think you're reading an awful lot into the simple question Has anyone asked whether it's a good idea to do so? When it come to technology we're very quick to ask how to do something, often don't even bother to ask whether we should do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
Anyone just ride a bike today? I have the flu and would rather hear about fun stuff and not drivel like trail. On May 10, 2013 11:31 PM, Alex Zeibot veloban...@gmail.com wrote: Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur bicycle. It takes more than just a fork. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:28 -0700, VeloZen wrote: Uh oh ... here we go again. :) What isn't a good idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and enjoying a ride without pain. I know people with nice bikes who love riding, but due to injury, cannot ride while leaning forward even a little. A very upright riding posture may not be the best way to go fast ... and it may not be the best way to achieve an efficient and powerful position ... but it may be the only way to enjoy riding ... for some. Granted; but for many, probably most, others it can be quite wrong for comfort as well as speed and efficiency. Perhaps before we start judging whether something is a good or bad idea, we might simply and politely answer the question asked by the person posting ... which had been done and THEN if there's a question that might be important in return, politely ask them why they might want to do something that's outside the normal use. THEN ... if you have advice to offer that may be helpful within THEIR context, politely do so. BUT ... also accept that what YOU think is right or wrong ... good or bad ... may not apply to everyone (or anyone) else. I think you're reading an awful lot into the simple question Has anyone asked whether it's a good idea to do so? When it come to technology we're very quick to ask how to do something, often don't even bother to ask whether we should do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?
http://www.benscycle.net/images/870-995.jpg You can get as high as you like with them, using a Nitto quill adapter and a zero or greater degree threadless stem . http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=13753zenid=490e0d7e35095acc42d0c68d3657 If you want to use a traditional quill stem you are limited to a Nitto Tallux , which is not all that tall really because of the -17 degree rise. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Clackamas River Ramble
Jeez Mike that looks like a great day on the bike.Glad you were able to get out.-Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and uncharacteristically magnificent for the past week. I was fortunate yesterday to get out for a nice 90 mile ramble. I've been cherishing these rides lately as things will be changing soon and I won't have the ability to get out for rides like this. I noodled through town at a mellow pace on back streets until getting on the Springwater Corridor (SC) which took me to Boring. The SC is really nice and makes getting out of Portland easy although it can be a bit monotonous as it's flat and straight. The last 2 miles or so into Boring it's not paved which is kinda nice and wakes you up. In Boring I picked up a muffin and some V8 and prepared for 4 miles of stressful riding down to Hwy 224. To link from Boring to 224 you have to ride this connector road, Amissiger Rd, that rolls for a few miles and then drops down to 224. There's no shoulder and the locals drive the road fast so it can be a bit unnerving. Once down on 224 it's 10 miles to Estacada. Although there's a fair amount of traffic on 224 the shoulder is huge and it doesn't bother me. It always seems to go by fast. Once you leave Estacada things change a lot. You have a choice of continuing on 224 which mellows out a ton traffic wise but climbs for 5 miles or you can roll along a bike path that is relatively flat and runs parallel to Faraday Lake and damn. I chose the climb as the view from the top is stupendous. While the climb is exposed and hot yesterday, it's never really that steep. Once at the top you have a bomber descent down to Promontory Park and from there the road really mellows out and follows the Clackamas River. As much as I wanted to head out the 18 miles further to Ripplebrook Ranger Station I knew I'd just be beat coming home. I went a few miles, stopped at Sun Strip Campground which was empty and ate my almond butter and jelly sandwich, had another V8 and just enjoyed the sound of the river. It felt so good to be out there on the edge of the woods and close by the river with no one else around. Since I had kept the pace mellowed but stayed well fueled I felt fine. After 1/2hr I decided to turn around and head home. Rather than going up over 224 again I opted to take the bike path along Faraday Lake. As much as I hate the climb back up Amissiger Rd, it was uneventful with the exception of one RV that got a little too close. I got back on the SC and rolled back into town. In spite of my rambling pace, I still got back close to my home before 5pm and was able to stop and enjoy coffee at Barista before walking in the door to my house at 6pm. It was a wonderful day on the bike. As for the bike... my LHT remains my go to bike lately as it's comfortable and dependable although a bit sluggish. As Manny says, pictures proved it happened: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633447766615/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Clackamas River Ramble
I'm telling you, head out that way and up to Timothy Lake, just be aware that to get to Timothy Lake you'll have to do some climbing and there's one section that's gravel. If you stay right on Hwy 224 it's beautiful with only a few rises here and there. You could head to Detroit Lake. I'm off next week, Tue--Thur, lets grab coffee and look at a map. Email me off list. --mike On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:00:13 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Seeing these pics has me thinking that your suggestion of doing our family bike tour up the Clackamas is a great idea. Gadzooks it's pretty up there. On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:11:55 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote: The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and uncharacteristically magnificent for the past week. I was fortunate yesterday to get out for a nice 90 mile ramble. I've been cherishing these rides lately as things will be changing soon and I won't have the ability to get out for rides like this. I noodled through town at a mellow pace on back streets until getting on the Springwater Corridor (SC) which took me to Boring. The SC is really nice and makes getting out of Portland easy although it can be a bit monotonous as it's flat and straight. The last 2 miles or so into Boring it's not paved which is kinda nice and wakes you up. In Boring I picked up a muffin and some V8 and prepared for 4 miles of stressful riding down to Hwy 224. To link from Boring to 224 you have to ride this connector road, Amissiger Rd, that rolls for a few miles and then drops down to 224. There's no shoulder and the locals drive the road fast so it can be a bit unnerving. Once down on 224 it's 10 miles to Estacada. Although there's a fair amount of traffic on 224 the shoulder is huge and it doesn't bother me. It always seems to go by fast. Once you leave Estacada things change a lot. You have a choice of continuing on 224 which mellows out a ton traffic wise but climbs for 5 miles or you can roll along a bike path that is relatively flat and runs parallel to Faraday Lake and damn. I chose the climb as the view from the top is stupendous. While the climb is exposed and hot yesterday, it's never really that steep. Once at the top you have a bomber descent down to Promontory Park and from there the road really mellows out and follows the Clackamas River. As much as I wanted to head out the 18 miles further to Ripplebrook Ranger Station I knew I'd just be beat coming home. I went a few miles, stopped at Sun Strip Campground which was empty and ate my almond butter and jelly sandwich, had another V8 and just enjoyed the sound of the river. It felt so good to be out there on the edge of the woods and close by the river with no one else around. Since I had kept the pace mellowed but stayed well fueled I felt fine. After 1/2hr I decided to turn around and head home. Rather than going up over 224 again I opted to take the bike path along Faraday Lake. As much as I hate the climb back up Amissiger Rd, it was uneventful with the exception of one RV that got a little too close. I got back on the SC and rolled back into town. In spite of my rambling pace, I still got back close to my home before 5pm and was able to stop and enjoy coffee at Barista before walking in the door to my house at 6pm. It was a wonderful day on the bike. As for the bike... my LHT remains my go to bike lately as it's comfortable and dependable although a bit sluggish. As Manny says, pictures proved it happened: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633447766615/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Clackamas River Ramble
You Oregonians are killin'n me with your photos! I spent the '70's riding all over Oregon, your photos make me homesick, that last shot of Hood looked vaguely familiar. I do get out there occasionally to see my kids so I can get satiated temporally, the NW has always felt like home. Thanks for sharing! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Clackamas River Ramble
I know how you feel. Anytime someone post pictures of the Marin Headlands or Mt Tam I get super homesick. --mike On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:17:18 PM UTC-7, bwphoto wrote: You Oregonians are killin'n me with your photos! I spent the '70's riding all over Oregon, your photos make me homesick, that last shot of Hood looked vaguely familiar. I do get out there occasionally to see my kids so I can get satiated temporally, the NW has always felt like home. Thanks for sharing! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st
Would like to do this but do not want to bust a gut cranking up hills..a SO24 would be fun. Finding a safe route with some climbing but not crazy would be nice. I live north of St. Helen's and my area is pretty hilly (foothills Mt. Rainier) I've ridden the Cheahalis area around the asphalt plant but that's not too scenic..perhaps contact Jan Heine On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:46:03 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Details are still being worked out. Just putting this out there so people can put it on their calendars. Looking at something with enough elevation to get views, perhaps a stint on the Willapa Hills Trailhttp://www.lewiscountytrails.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=2Itemid=2 or something in the vicinity of Mt St Helens. I'm open to route suggestions if you're familiar with the area (I'm not). Would people be interested to do an overnighter? Feel free to post here or message me with comments, suggestions, rsvp, etc. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st
the WillapaTrails idea looks good however On Friday, May 10, 2013 10:12:30 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: Would like to do this but do not want to bust a gut cranking up hills..a SO24 would be fun. Finding a safe route with some climbing but not crazy would be nice. I live north of St. Helen's and my area is pretty hilly (foothills Mt. Rainier) I've ridden the Cheahalis area around the asphalt plant but that's not too scenic..perhaps contact Jan Heine On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:46:03 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Details are still being worked out. Just putting this out there so people can put it on their calendars. Looking at something with enough elevation to get views, perhaps a stint on the Willapa Hills Trailhttp://www.lewiscountytrails.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=2Itemid=2 or something in the vicinity of Mt St Helens. I'm open to route suggestions if you're familiar with the area (I'm not). Would people be interested to do an overnighter? Feel free to post here or message me with comments, suggestions, rsvp, etc. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes
On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: Handlebar position has nothing to do with whether a bike has low, medium or high trail. I don't know if that is entirely true. Certainly, lower trail bikes favor having a load at the front to feel normal, at least for me. Without a load, low trail bikes are squirrely. That means lower trail bikes favor a more front-biased weight distribution to feel normal, including perhaps by having a lower handlebar. That also means that lower trail bikes will probably feel squirrely with Bosco or other upright bars (speculation; haven't tested). Of course, one can get used to either low or high trail bikes and once that happens, whichever one that's familiar will feel normal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
