[RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
Non-cycling shorts and sweats are a nightmare on a bike saddle. I've used Riv MUSA pants in the past, and Swrve shorts now: They both are cut for cycling movement, with no horrendous seams between you and saddle. Almost all of my riding is with MUSA wooly undies and Swrve shorts. It's a perfect combo, and I assume the Riv shorts would be just as good. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Single Track on my Big Atlantis (White Rim next?)
I have a friend who did the WR trail recently. There are many sandy spots so the fattest tire you can fit would be best. I love the Red Rock country and have always wanted to do that ride. I'd opt for 2 tires if I was doing it with some small knobs... less pushing and more riding. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Just did my first century with canari liner/briefs and musa shorts. Comfy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Practical differences - SON vs Shimano Dyno hub?
The main problem I've noticed on the Shimano dynohubs is the tendency for the connection to go bad. On my wife's bike usually means taking a small knife and removing the oxidation on the connector. Eventually it will be a problem. That's one advantage the SON has. FWIW, I have two bikes with SON hubs. Both have worked for a number of years without a second thought. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Jimmy Hutch ji...@jimmyhutchinson.comwrote: I have three bikes with SON hubs, a Brompton with 11k+ miles, a Bike Friday and a Rivendell AHH each with a couple thousand miles. I ride with my lights on day and night so cannot tell if there is material drag or not. My SON hubs have performed flawlessly. I also have a Shimano Alfine dynamo hub on my relatively low mileage Surly Big Dummy, it works fine except the connector sucks. I see that others praise the single connector but it is a cheap piece of plastic (shit) that has problems. Trying to decide between SON and a Shimano is a lot like trying to decide between a BMW and a Honda - the BMW is nicer but you pay a lot of for each incremental improvement. I'd take a Shimano dynamo over no dynamo any day of the week. And if I was a rational consumer I would probably own only Shimano dynamo hubs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
they're baggy, they're lightweight, they don't saturate with sweat and they don't chafe your skin. For winter riding, I love MUSA knickers and long pants, too. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:12:05 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
unless you're racing downhill, there is no time you *need* a gear longer than 85 inches. There are occasions you might enjoy blasting downhill with a 96 gear, but for most people those occasions are rare enough, you can't justify needing that gear. A 96 gear is 35 mph at 120 rpm. On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:58:22 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: What would I do with a 96 gear? - Haul ass. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
This goes back to the earlier thread on padded vs. not padded shorts. If you are one of those who are fine without padding, the MUSA shorts, knickers and pants are great for the reasons the others point out above. They are well made, breathe, and the seamless crotch works. Some people cannot ride distance without padding. MUSA don't help there. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:12:05 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
Thanks -- must look that up. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Sheldon's article says drag in the SW is due to thick cantilevered pinion shafts - the AW reduces this effect by using separate stepped shafts On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:19:34 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Thanks, Ron. The 48 t would give the ratios I want with a 17 t cog. What about the *drag*? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
My ass requires a considerably lower gear. Say the cowboys about bicycling, quoted by Abbey: Wearing out his legs to give his ass a ride. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: What would I do with a 96 gear? - Haul ass. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
the few times I have used 100-inch gear was on rolling hills, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/decoy/seco/cseco15.jpg where I wanted the downhill momentum to help me as far up the next hill as possible. On Monday, August 19, 2013 8:27:35 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: My ass requires a considerably lower gear. Say the cowboys about bicycling, quoted by Abbey: Wearing out his legs to give his ass a ride. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Philip Williamson philip.w...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: What would I do with a 96 gear? - Haul ass. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] For Sale 2 bikes (sort of)
So, I have decided that I cannot part with my late wife's Betty Foy which means its destined to become my commuter after a repaint and modifications, which means I have to sell one of my two beloved bikes in order to fund its rebuild. One is being set up as a longdistance hill climber, the other is set up as a speedy commuter, but can easily b modified. In the spirit of a past post, I'll sell one and keep the other. 1) 55cm Roadeo, about 300 miles on the frame, cockpit is used parts, derailleurs and cranks are brand newhere is the (re) build which is 90% complete. 44cm Noodles, 10cm VO threadless stem (will also supply an 8cm stem), Microshift Bar End Shifters mated to a Shimano 105 FD and Lon Cage LX RD White Industries VBC Crank 46/30 Cane Creek Brake Levers, Tektro Mid Reach Brakes Nitto Seat post with a choice of the following saddles Brooks B17 Narrow saddle (your choice of Black or Brown) or Black B17. Choice of Blue or Black Handlebar tape (thick cotton from VO) Tange 113mm BB I will supply brand new derailleur cables and housing and a chain for you to complete the build. Using small nicks on the frame, framesaver has been applied. For the above I am looking for $2,100 including shipping Wheels are brand new Tiagara hubs laced to Mavic open sport rims with a Shimano 8sp cassette. I will ship them separately with well used Jack Brown Greens for $300 if interested. 2) Box Bog Pelican its an older frame with horizontal dropouts which I bought recently as an unridden frame 54cm, I have put 200 miles on it, Here is the build for that Choice of cockpits porter bars with diacompe inverse levers on an 11cm technomic stem or moustache bars, tektro brake levers on a 8cm technomic stem Paul Touring Cantis silver anodized Marks Front Rack with a medium wald basket attached White Industries ENO Crank with a 42T chainring. Wheels are formula hubs with mavic open pro rings and a white indutries 16t/18t DOS freewheel I will also throw in an ultegra rear deraileur and mircoshift lever in case you want to run a 1x setup (the rear wheel can accomodate a 5spd freewheel, but you need to remove the spacers prior to swaping out the freewheel. For the above am looking for $2,000 including shipping. If one bike sells then then other will be taken off the market to remain as my long distance weekend bike, the purchaser will also receive some extra white industries chainrings (42/22 VBC and 32T ENO) as well as a locking tool. If interested let me know offline and I'll send some pictures. Thanks Trevor I am cleaning out a bunch of other stuff and will post soon on that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
I should have said that White Industries *freewheels* are rebuildable--their hubs may be, too, but I was referring to their freewheels. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:18 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I agree. I've been successfully riding my Quickbeam with a 3-speed setup that has a top end of about 74 inches. As Ron notes, the only time I generally need a gear higher than that is when I'm going downhill, and then I just coast. Regarding equipment choice, I would counsel finding a setup that has direct drive for the gear you'll use most often. The real drag in an IGH, in my experience, comes when your efforts go through the gears. I'm using a fixed-gear S3X hub with a White Industries single-speed freewheel on the Quickbeam. This offers several advantages, including putting the pawls on the outside of the hub, where they can be easily fixed if anything goes wrong (W.I. hubs are easily rebuildable). I believe, although I don't have proof, that the S3X hub, because it was designed for the stresses of fixed-gear use *and* has no pawls inside, is a sturdier design that's less likely to malfunction. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: unless you're racing downhill, there is no time you *need* a gear longer than 85 inches. There are occasions you might enjoy blasting downhill with a 96 gear, but for most people those occasions are rare enough, you can't justify needing that gear. A 96 gear is 35 mph at 120 rpm. On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:58:22 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: What would I do with a 96 gear? - Haul ass. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
For both the reasons Eric mentions -- direct in high, sturdier mechs -- I am leaning toward the S3X with a freewheel. Too bad no one makes a 3sp hub gear that gives you direct in high, a 15% reduction, then a 30% reduction -- is that even possible given the inherent limits in epicyclic gear trains? But to my mind, direct = high makes much more sense than direct = 25% lower than high. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I agree. I've been successfully riding my Quickbeam with a 3-speed setup that has a top end of about 74 inches. As Ron notes, the only time I generally need a gear higher than that is when I'm going downhill, and then I just coast. Regarding equipment choice, I would counsel finding a setup that has direct drive for the gear you'll use most often. The real drag in an IGH, in my experience, comes when your efforts go through the gears. I'm using a fixed-gear S3X hub with a White Industries single-speed freewheel on the Quickbeam. This offers several advantages, including putting the pawls on the outside of the hub, where they can be easily fixed if anything goes wrong (W.I. hubs are easily rebuildable). I believe, although I don't have proof, that the S3X hub, because it was designed for the stresses of fixed-gear use *and* has no pawls inside, is a sturdier design that's less likely to malfunction. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: unless you're racing downhill, there is no time you *need* a gear longer than 85 inches. There are occasions you might enjoy blasting downhill with a 96 gear, but for most people those occasions are rare enough, you can't justify needing that gear. A 96 gear is 35 mph at 120 rpm. On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:58:22 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: What would I do with a 96 gear? - Haul ass. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
I agree. I've been successfully riding my Quickbeam with a 3-speed setup that has a top end of about 74 inches. As Ron notes, the only time I generally need a gear higher than that is when I'm going downhill, and then I just coast. Regarding equipment choice, I would counsel finding a setup that has direct drive for the gear you'll use most often. The real drag in an IGH, in my experience, comes when your efforts go through the gears. I'm using a fixed-gear S3X hub with a White Industries single-speed freewheel on the Quickbeam. This offers several advantages, including putting the pawls on the outside of the hub, where they can be easily fixed if anything goes wrong (W.I. hubs are easily rebuildable). I believe, although I don't have proof, that the S3X hub, because it was designed for the stresses of fixed-gear use *and* has no pawls inside, is a sturdier design that's less likely to malfunction. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: unless you're racing downhill, there is no time you *need* a gear longer than 85 inches. There are occasions you might enjoy blasting downhill with a 96 gear, but for most people those occasions are rare enough, you can't justify needing that gear. A 96 gear is 35 mph at 120 rpm. On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:58:22 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: What would I do with a 96 gear? - Haul ass. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
On 08/19/2013 10:23 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: For both the reasons Eric mentions -- direct in high, sturdier mechs -- I am leaning toward the S3X with a freewheel. Too bad no one makes a 3sp hub gear that gives you direct in high, a 15% reduction, then a 30% reduction -- is that even possible given the inherent limits in epicyclic gear trains? But to my mind, direct = high makes much more sense than direct = 25% lower than high. Why? Unless you set high to be your normal cruising gear (which then wouldn't be very 'high' at all) you'd be wasting your most efficient gear in the range you use the least, and where efficiency matters the least. You spend most of your time in the normal cruising gear, so efficiency losses would be felt the most. What gear inches did you have in mind for this setup? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Practical differences - SON vs Shimano Dyno hub?
Eric wrote: The main problem I've noticed on the Shimano dynohubs is the tendency for the connection to go bad. On my wife's bike usually means taking a small knife and removing the oxidation on the connector. Eventually it will be a problem. That's one advantage the SON has. To which I reply: To help prevent oxidation on the connectors, go to Radio Shack or an auto supply place and get some dielectric grease. Put a dab in the connector. It works very well to prevent oxidation of electrical components in harsh environments. It's cheap insurance and good for lots of other electrical connections as well. I always put a tiny dab on the battery ends in my tail light, too. Lots of auto places have tiny packets at the check out station for a buck or two. Cheers- Mime in Htfd CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
That's the point. A direct drive #2 gear with a 33% increase to high, as with the AW, leaves you -- at least, it leaves me -- with a high gear that is for practical purposes of no use, and a higher low gear than I would like. Now that would be no problem if indirect gears on the AW had minimal drag (whence my original question), but the consensus seems to be that, even with the relatively simple AW, they will cause more friction than direct. 70 as a direct high, as given by the S3X, and two step downs of 25% each, is a much more useful combination to me than a 70 middle, a 52 low, and a 93 high. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 08/19/2013 10:23 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: For both the reasons Eric mentions -- direct in high, sturdier mechs -- I am leaning toward the S3X with a freewheel. Too bad no one makes a 3sp hub gear that gives you direct in high, a 15% reduction, then a 30% reduction -- is that even possible given the inherent limits in epicyclic gear trains? But to my mind, direct = high makes much more sense than direct = 25% lower than high. Why? Unless you set high to be your normal cruising gear (which then wouldn't be very 'high' at all) you'd be wasting your most efficient gear in the range you use the least, and where efficiency matters the least. You spend most of your time in the normal cruising gear, so efficiency losses would be felt the most. What gear inches did you have in mind for this setup? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
The 25km turned into 41km, the longest one day ride I've ever taken. I bonked around km 30 (not enough food and not enough sleep the night before), but the Betty Foy still felt great. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:09:47 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it... Now that's a great bike! We'll understand if you just keep riding for a couple of days before getting around to posting photos. dougP On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase. The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/ More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/ Happy riding, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Practical differences - SON vs Shimano Dyno hub?
Stupid phone- Should have signed off: Mike in Htfd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Single Track on my Big Atlantis (White Rim next?)
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:02:16 PM UTC-7, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: More dirt and single track to follow. Has anyone here ridden an Atlantis (or all rounder) on The White Rim Trail in Canyonlands NP? I'm thinking that it would be a good steed for that with a possible tire change before heading south. Chris Kostman has done it on an XO-1: http://www.xo-1.org/2008/04/rough-riding-on-slickrock-trail-in-moab.html There's a longer post on the ride somewhere, but I can't find it right now. I've done it on a rigid mtb with 2.4 tires. You don't really need knobbies for most of it, but the cushioning helped me. Go for it! jim m wc, ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
On 08/19/2013 10:32 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: That's the point. A direct drive #2 gear with a 33% increase to high, as with the AW, leaves you -- at least, it leaves me -- with a high gear that is for practical purposes of no use, and a higher low gear than I would like. Now that would be no problem if indirect gears on the AW had minimal drag (whence my original question), but the consensus seems to be that, even with the relatively simple AW, they will cause more friction than direct. Absolutely, definitely the case, based on my 5 years' daily riding an AW. And I agree, high can be absurd: not only too high, but so much internal drag as to be minimally useful. One thing that helps is to change the sprocket so as to bring the gears down a bit. On a DL-1 70ish was too high for a normal gear anyway, so bringing it down to the mid 60s made it better, also made the high a bit more usable. Clearly a 25% increase for high and a 30% decrease for low would make more sense, but that's not how they're made. The 4-speed FM would probably suit you a lot better. For a 26 wheel, a 48T chain ring and a 18T sprocket you get: Low - - High 46.2 59.4 69.3 78.0 All eminently usable gears. Direct drive is 69.3. Make it a 19T and you get Low - - High 43.8 56.3 65.7 73.9 That pretty much covers most people's preferences for a cruising gear, and either way the high is nice but not unreasonably high and the two low gears are welcome. .67, .86, 1.0 and 1.13 for the gear ratios. Don't know why they ever stopped making that one. It makes a whole lot more sense as a usable drive train than the 3 speeds ever did. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 cm Heron PBH
Your best bet is to call Rivendell for advice, I'm sure they will help you out and they know their stuff cold. Matt On Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:57:54 PM UTC-4, Dick Combs wrote: Anybody tell me the recommended PBH range for a 56 cm Heron Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Single Track on my Big Atlantis (White Rim next?)
Jim, I believe Kostman''s bike was the 1st Riv AR. Beautiful bike and a beautiful ride. my friend rode the WR on a rigid 29er. He did in one day just for the challenge. I think 3 days sounds about right. ~mike On Monday, August 19, 2013 7:52:18 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:02:16 PM UTC-7, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: More dirt and single track to follow. Has anyone here ridden an Atlantis (or all rounder) on The White Rim Trail in Canyonlands NP? I'm thinking that it would be a good steed for that with a possible tire change before heading south. Chris Kostman has done it on an XO-1: http://www.xo-1.org/2008/04/rough-riding-on-slickrock-trail-in-moab.html There's a longer post on the ride somewhere, but I can't find it right now. I've done it on a rigid mtb with 2.4 tires. You don't really need knobbies for most of it, but the cushioning helped me. Go for it! jim m wc, ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Traveling with a bike
Slightly OT, but I posted this to the Lifestyle list with no response. I'll be flying cross country to the Bay area in OCT and am considering bringing a bike in an eBike Box. Does anyone have experience with this container? How large a bike will it hold? How many trips can you expect to get (the mfg says 4-6 but it would be nice to hear from real users? Has it done a good job protecting your bike? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: 56 cm Heron PBH
If you just want to research a bit then the Internet archive wayback machine is your friend. http://web.archive.org/web/20040614161905/http://www.heronbicycles.com/ Dan On Aug 19, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Matt Beebe matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Your best bet is to call Rivendell for advice, I'm sure they will help you out and they know their stuff cold. Matt On Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:57:54 PM UTC-4, Dick Combs wrote: Anybody tell me the recommended PBH range for a 56 cm Heron Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 cm Heron PBH
My guess would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 81-83cm though.But call Riv. Matt On Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:57:54 PM UTC-4, Dick Combs wrote: Anybody tell me the recommended PBH range for a 56 cm Heron Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: 56 cm Heron PBH
This should help. Depends a bit on the model. http://web.archive.org/web/20040610063840/http://www.heronbicycles.com/sizing.html Dan On Aug 19, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Matt Beebe matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Your best bet is to call Rivendell for advice, I'm sure they will help you out and they know their stuff cold. Matt On Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:57:54 PM UTC-4, Dick Combs wrote: Anybody tell me the recommended PBH range for a 56 cm Heron Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Single Track on my Big Atlantis (White Rim next?)
DougP, I saw that article and was quite inspired. I also pondered doing that trip on my Homer, maybe in 2014 if the Riv Jamboree doesn't materialize. My Hetres do well on most gravel, but loose stuff is tedious. I guess there's plenty of time to sort out tire selection. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
Epic! Here's to more adventures. Go, Cecily and Betty! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
I agree. Non-padded Swobo brand is also just as comfy. I can't stand padded shorts. Too hot and sweaty. Same with gel or padded saddles. I've never suffered any problems using ordinary shorts, undies, and a non-padded leather saddle, regardless of outside temps. I can and do spend a couple of hours at a time in the combo with no discomfort other than need to stretch out a bit and shake out the legs on a walkabout before resuming the ride. From: Frank pguil...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:20 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please. Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
Yes! Sounds fantastic. Imagine that--a bicycle that inspires you to go the long way. Also, never forget: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9288123485 :) cc On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.comwrote: The 25km turned into 41km, the longest one day ride I've ever taken. I bonked around km 30 (not enough food and not enough sleep the night before), but the Betty Foy still felt great. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:09:47 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it... Now that's a great bike! We'll understand if you just keep riding for a couple of days before getting around to posting photos. dougP On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase. The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/**photos/cecily/sets/**72157635020456860/http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/ More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/**cecily/9533259489/http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/ Happy riding, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
I just got back from a (fast!!! On the gofast.) 22 mile out and back on the flat, smooth Rio Grande bike trail (with a 1 mile detour to drop off my daughter's tennis racquet at her nearby school). I wore a pair of good quality, flat-seamed cotton shorts over a pair of slinky and baggy nylon boxers. I generally don't wear these shorts since, though they fit well for other activities, and certainly are well made, they suffer from too high a crotch. This was very noticeable during the first 10 miles or so -- numb nuts, while other, more fully cut shorts, cotton, street, just disappear. So, all street shorts are not created equal. Personally, I find that the MUSAs I've worn are cut too tight in the thigh and too high in the crotch, but my shorts and knickers are the old models (both Medium) and perhaps the new model is better in this regard. Some of the best riding shorts are cut from the old style, fully-pleated khakis: plenty of room in thigh, high rise, low crotch seam. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I agree. Non-padded Swobo brand is also just as comfy. I can't stand padded shorts. Too hot and sweaty. Same with gel or padded saddles. I've never suffered any problems using ordinary shorts, undies, and a non-padded leather saddle, regardless of outside temps. I can and do spend a couple of hours at a time in the combo with no discomfort other than need to stretch out a bit and shake out the legs on a walkabout before resuming the ride. -- *From:* Frank pguil...@gmail.com *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 19, 2013 10:20 AM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please. Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Single Track on my Big Atlantis (White Rim next?)
Kostman did the 24 hour on an X0-1; the All Rounder came later. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: Jim, I believe Kostman''s bike was the 1st Riv AR. Beautiful bike and a beautiful ride. my friend rode the WR on a rigid 29er. He did in one day just for the challenge. I think 3 days sounds about right. ~mike On Monday, August 19, 2013 7:52:18 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:02:16 PM UTC-7, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: More dirt and single track to follow. Has anyone here ridden an Atlantis (or all rounder) on The White Rim Trail in Canyonlands NP? I'm thinking that it would be a good steed for that with a possible tire change before heading south. Chris Kostman has done it on an XO-1: http://www.xo-1.org/2008/04/** rough-riding-on-slickrock-**trail-in-moab.htmlhttp://www.xo-1.org/2008/04/rough-riding-on-slickrock-trail-in-moab.html There's a longer post on the ride somewhere, but I can't find it right now. I've done it on a rigid mtb with 2.4 tires. You don't really need knobbies for most of it, but the cushioning helped me. Go for it! jim m wc, ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
Ha! For a slow food bike tour, there were plenty of other people who wanted to ride faster too. :) On Monday, August 19, 2013 10:35:46 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: Yes! Sounds fantastic. Imagine that--a bicycle that inspires you to go the long way. Also, never forget: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9288123485 :) cc On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: The 25km turned into 41km, the longest one day ride I've ever taken. I bonked around km 30 (not enough food and not enough sleep the night before), but the Betty Foy still felt great. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:09:47 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it... Now that's a great bike! We'll understand if you just keep riding for a couple of days before getting around to posting photos. dougP On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase. The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/**photos/cecily/sets/**72157635020456860/http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/ More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/**cecily/9533259489/http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/ Happy riding, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Traveling with a bike
Michael: My Atlantis has done a bit of traveling, both by air by ground. While I'm not familiar with the box you reference, I can offer some thoughts in general. Within the US, look into shipping your bike ahead of time via ground service. Great Debate about who to use: Fed Ex or UPS; no clear winner there. However, both will take larger heavier shipments for less money than the airlines. I have a hard plastic case that is right at the magic 130 size (girth plus length) for ground services. Despite it's 30 lb weight, the Atlantis (usually 35 lbs) plus some other junk does not trip the overweight button. The convenience of ground shipping is you can send it directly to your destination don't have to hassle getting it to the airport. Downside of course is being without your bike for a few days. Airlines charge high fees (check with your specific carrier; it varies continuously) AND seem to universally impose HUGE overweight charges for checked baggage over 50 lbs. I have gotten the Atlantis packed into a cardboard box under 50 lbs but it meant no racks carrying some heavier components in other luggage. I'm told that some airlines are more bike friendly (Southwest, maybe others) but have no personal knowledge of their rates limitations. Having your bike with you on the plane is nice, but oversize luggage is the first to get bumped to the next flight (not always bad because they have to deliver it). Once at the airport, a boxed bike is a bit of an albatross to drag around a pain if you have to use a cab, bus or train between the airport your destination. As to actual containers, I've used the regular old cardboard boxes that bikes come to shops. They are good enough for one trip, free, and readily available. The do not offer the greatest protection and do require quite a bit of disassembly careful packing. Allow several hours for the process. Another option is to have a trusted LBS pack ship it for you. You'll of course pay for this service but if you find a shop that ships bikes (not all do) they'll have experience. This can be especially handy on the return. Source the shop ahead of time, drop the bike off it will appear back home in a few days. An open question is whether to reassemble at your destination or have a shop do it. I know people who feel better just having a shop do it all at both ends. There are good arguments on both sides of the question but it's an individual choice. dougP On Monday, August 19, 2013 9:22:56 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: Slightly OT, but I posted this to the Lifestyle list with no response. I'll be flying cross country to the Bay area in OCT and am considering bringing a bike in an eBike Box. Does anyone have experience with this container? How large a bike will it hold? How many trips can you expect to get (the mfg says 4-6 but it would be nice to hear from real users? Has it done a good job protecting your bike? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: WTB: 47cm Betty Foy or other Rivish ride
Get the Betty. I have a 47 and my daughter has a 50 but I can ride that one too since it's a mixte. Either one will work. On Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:58:59 PM UTC-4, cbone97 wrote: Just thought I'd check in case anyone might have one they've considered parting with. My Sam is on the way and I'm considering getting a Betty for my bride, who is 5' 0. Thanks! Charles -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
One of the things I'm discovering with each passing day is how my previously held ideas about what made a bicycle comfortable are being smashed to bits by the Betty Foy. I had a heavy Dutch bike until March of this year. I loved it, but it was slow. That bike convinced me that slow and stately, completely upright riding was the only kind of riding I was suited for. When I had to get a cheap mixte to ride after my Dutch bike was damaged in an accident, I convinced myself that I couldn't ride in a more aggressive, forward leaning position. I had the bike shop install lots of spacers so I could ride stock upright, and even though the mixte was a lot lighter than the Dutch bike, it never felt swift or stable. I still felt slow and lethargic. When I picked up the Betty Foy on Saturday, one of the first things I noticed was how far forward I was leaning. The Soma Oxford handlebars are on a Soma Sutro stem - shorter than the Technomic by quite a lot - and I am not used to riding in that position. Some might not think that's aggressive at all, but for someone who has only ridden upright, it was quite a shift. The first thing I did was try riding up a hill right next to the bike shop. I was surprised at how quickly and easily I was able to ride up it. It's something I never would have considered on the Dutch bike. I would have hesitated doing it on the cheap aluminum mixte, too. On Sunday's ride, my mental tape recorder started running early. You're never going to be able to do 25km riding in this position. You're probably going to give up after 10K. You're too fat to ride like this. But as more road disappeared under my wheels, I found that all of the things I had thought were untrue. Of course, fitness plays a huge role in the limits we place on ourselves, but having the right tool at hand is hugely important. I never knew how important before I got the Betty Foy. This morning I whizzed into work in record time. Sure, going slow is great, but swift riding feels so good when you get to slay your mental and physical dragons at the same time. On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase. The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/ More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/ Happy riding, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
I could make this at home and reheat @ site. Let me know if you guy's would be into this. I have a small soft insulated cooler which should keep it fresh. http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/turkey-black-bean-chili-5040109252/ Also don't know if anyone has diet restrictions. ~Hugh On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: Ahem. Adult beverages. Thinking that a beer run (or wine or what have you) back into town after unloading and setting up camping gear might be the ticket. Can't see myself toting 12 pack (need enough to share) and ice on top of my teetering load. Don't like shopping and leaving bike out side locked or unlocked, so would prefer a partner on such a mission. It the prevailing desire is for a Riv dinner in town or group campout, I am good with either. Just need to know ahead so I don't pack too much. Take out for dinner (bring to camp on adult beverage foray) and collaborative breakfast is also an option. I am pretty easy to please, just need to know what we are doing. Best regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
It's funny, I like the MUSA shorts, especially for touring and around the camp. But I also find them pretty PUFFY and a bit short. Maybe it's because I'm 5'6 and 140ish pounds (i.e. thinnish). Conversely my Rapha touring shorts are a bit too longish though nice. I'm like goldilocks looking for the just right shorts and haven't quite found them. Addison Wilhite Educator - The Academy of Arts, Careers Technology, Reno, Nevada ( http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/) Blogger - Reno Rambler (http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com) Bicycle Advocate - Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee ( http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html) On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a (fast!!! On the gofast.) 22 mile out and back on the flat, smooth Rio Grande bike trail (with a 1 mile detour to drop off my daughter's tennis racquet at her nearby school). I wore a pair of good quality, flat-seamed cotton shorts over a pair of slinky and baggy nylon boxers. I generally don't wear these shorts since, though they fit well for other activities, and certainly are well made, they suffer from too high a crotch. This was very noticeable during the first 10 miles or so -- numb nuts, while other, more fully cut shorts, cotton, street, just disappear. So, all street shorts are not created equal. Personally, I find that the MUSAs I've worn are cut too tight in the thigh and too high in the crotch, but my shorts and knickers are the old models (both Medium) and perhaps the new model is better in this regard. Some of the best riding shorts are cut from the old style, fully-pleated khakis: plenty of room in thigh, high rise, low crotch seam. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I agree. Non-padded Swobo brand is also just as comfy. I can't stand padded shorts. Too hot and sweaty. Same with gel or padded saddles. I've never suffered any problems using ordinary shorts, undies, and a non-padded leather saddle, regardless of outside temps. I can and do spend a couple of hours at a time in the combo with no discomfort other than need to stretch out a bit and shake out the legs on a walkabout before resuming the ride. -- *From:* Frank pguil...@gmail.com *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 19, 2013 10:20 AM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please. Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Carbon blades are the only reason to get Opinel knives that I can see, other than good value for a stainless blade. Carbon holds a sharper edge than stainless, but requires actual care (oiling as needed) to prevent rust. Only reason? I bought my Opinel (discovered them a few years ago) because they are SHARP, and easy to keep that way, cheap, good blade lock, lightweight, don't look like a military grade weapon (what's with knives these days?), and classic. I don't find the maintenance to be all that bad... I was worried I'd be carrying around a stick of rust, but even after tipping my kayak and falling into brackish water it didn't rust. All I did was wipe it down with vinegar to force a a surface patina on the first day and since then I use it, wipe it, wash it, just like any other knife I've ever owned and just stick it back in my pocket. Other than moisture causing the handle to swell and making it harder to open sometimes I've had no issues at all -- definitely not rust. I love to look at the blade and wonder at the interesting color patterns (grey and blue) and how they vary after every use. Pic: http://www.imgur.com/1TQKVNa The tip is a bit tweaked from dropping it once, but otherwise it's still in great condition after years of daily use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
Amen, sister! Isn't it a revelation to finally ride a bike that is properly set up as well as being well designed to efficiently translate your effort into motion? Grant-designed bikes seem to do that exceptionally well. Patrick Moore iPhone On Aug 19, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com wrote: One of the things I'm discovering with each passing day is how my previously held ideas about what made a bicycle comfortable are being smashed to bits by the Betty Foy. I had a heavy Dutch bike until March of this year. I loved it, but it was slow. That bike convinced me that slow and stately, completely upright riding was the only kind of riding I was suited for. When I had to get a cheap mixte to ride after my Dutch bike was damaged in an accident, I convinced myself that I couldn't ride in a more aggressive, forward leaning position. I had the bike shop install lots of spacers so I could ride stock upright, and even though the mixte was a lot lighter than the Dutch bike, it never felt swift or stable. I still felt slow and lethargic. When I picked up the Betty Foy on Saturday, one of the first things I noticed was how far forward I was leaning. The Soma Oxford handlebars are on a Soma Sutro stem - shorter than the Technomic by quite a lot - and I am not used to riding in that position. Some might not think that's aggressive at all, but for someone who has only ridden upright, it was quite a shift. The first thing I did was try riding up a hill right next to the bike shop. I was surprised at how quickly and easily I was able to ride up it. It's something I never would have considered on the Dutch bike. I would have hesitated doing it on the cheap aluminum mixte, too. On Sunday's ride, my mental tape recorder started running early. You're never going to be able to do 25km riding in this position. You're probably going to give up after 10K. You're too fat to ride like this. But as more road disappeared under my wheels, I found that all of the things I had thought were untrue. Of course, fitness plays a huge role in the limits we place on ourselves, but having the right tool at hand is hugely important. I never knew how important before I got the Betty Foy. This morning I whizzed into work in record time. Sure, going slow is great, but swift riding feels so good when you get to slay your mental and physical dragons at the same time. On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase. The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/ More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/ Happy riding, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Traveling with a bike
I'm told that some airlines are more bike friendly (Southwest, maybe others) but have no personal knowledge of their rates limitations Just to chime in on this one topic. I was just researching Southwest and their boxed bike fee was raised from $50 to $75 as of February 2013. That's their printed 'policy' but you hear lots of anecdotes of them waiving the fee for some people. On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:41:09 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Michael: My Atlantis has done a bit of traveling, both by air by ground. While I'm not familiar with the box you reference, I can offer some thoughts in general. Within the US, look into shipping your bike ahead of time via ground service. Great Debate about who to use: Fed Ex or UPS; no clear winner there. However, both will take larger heavier shipments for less money than the airlines. I have a hard plastic case that is right at the magic 130 size (girth plus length) for ground services. Despite it's 30 lb weight, the Atlantis (usually 35 lbs) plus some other junk does not trip the overweight button. The convenience of ground shipping is you can send it directly to your destination don't have to hassle getting it to the airport. Downside of course is being without your bike for a few days. Airlines charge high fees (check with your specific carrier; it varies continuously) AND seem to universally impose HUGE overweight charges for checked baggage over 50 lbs. I have gotten the Atlantis packed into a cardboard box under 50 lbs but it meant no racks carrying some heavier components in other luggage. I'm told that some airlines are more bike friendly (Southwest, maybe others) but have no personal knowledge of their rates limitations. Having your bike with you on the plane is nice, but oversize luggage is the first to get bumped to the next flight (not always bad because they have to deliver it). Once at the airport, a boxed bike is a bit of an albatross to drag around a pain if you have to use a cab, bus or train between the airport your destination. As to actual containers, I've used the regular old cardboard boxes that bikes come to shops. They are good enough for one trip, free, and readily available. The do not offer the greatest protection and do require quite a bit of disassembly careful packing. Allow several hours for the process. Another option is to have a trusted LBS pack ship it for you. You'll of course pay for this service but if you find a shop that ships bikes (not all do) they'll have experience. This can be especially handy on the return. Source the shop ahead of time, drop the bike off it will appear back home in a few days. An open question is whether to reassemble at your destination or have a shop do it. I know people who feel better just having a shop do it all at both ends. There are good arguments on both sides of the question but it's an individual choice. dougP On Monday, August 19, 2013 9:22:56 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: Slightly OT, but I posted this to the Lifestyle list with no response. I'll be flying cross country to the Bay area in OCT and am considering bringing a bike in an eBike Box. Does anyone have experience with this container? How large a bike will it hold? How many trips can you expect to get (the mfg says 4-6 but it would be nice to hear from real users? Has it done a good job protecting your bike? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Hey Rex. Near as I can tell, you disagreed with me then essentially repeated what I'd said. So I disagree that we disagree and agree that we agree. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, August 19, 2013 2:03:58 PM UTC-6, Rex Kerr wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Carbon blades are the only reason to get Opinel knives that I can see, other than good value for a stainless blade. Carbon holds a sharper edge than stainless, but requires actual care (oiling as needed) to prevent rust. Only reason? I bought my Opinel (discovered them a few years ago) because they are SHARP, and easy to keep that way, cheap, good blade lock, lightweight, don't look like a military grade weapon (what's with knives these days?), and classic. I don't find the maintenance to be all that bad... I was worried I'd be carrying around a stick of rust, but even after tipping my kayak and falling into brackish water it didn't rust. All I did was wipe it down with vinegar to force a a surface patina on the first day and since then I use it, wipe it, wash it, just like any other knife I've ever owned and just stick it back in my pocket. Other than moisture causing the handle to swell and making it harder to open sometimes I've had no issues at all -- definitely not rust. I love to look at the blade and wonder at the interesting color patterns (grey and blue) and how they vary after every use. Pic: http://www.imgur.com/1TQKVNa The tip is a bit tweaked from dropping it once, but otherwise it's still in great condition after years of daily use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: For Sale 2 bikes (sort of)
took the pelican out for a quick ride today and and in love with the fit, so the roadeo is the one to sell, I am will to part out that build as follows Frame/Fork/HS $1500 plus shipping Cockpit including shifters/lever and cables $150 plus shipping Brakes $50 plus shipping Deraileurs $100 plus shipping Brooks Saddle (all 3 are for sale) $75 plus shipping Crank Set - Brand New never used $325 plus shipping Bottom Bracket $25 plus shipping Seatpost (new) $40 plus shipping Jack Brown Greens $35 for the set plus shipping Wheelset $200 plus shipping, these are brand new are were build very well Plan on $100 for shipping the frame and $50 for the wheel set, everything else will range from $15-25 (I am in Canada) Pick up in free in Toronto, Combining items reduces shipping costs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: For Sale 2 bikes (sort of)
Seatpost is gone. Bump again if you take everything minus the wheels its still $2100, the wheels will have ton be shipped separately anyways. I'll throw in a used seatpost with the frame purchase. On Monday, August 19, 2013 4:43:42 PM UTC-4, Trevor saxton wrote: took the pelican out for a quick ride today and and in love with the fit, so the roadeo is the one to sell, I am will to part out that build as follows Frame/Fork/HS $1500 plus shipping Cockpit including shifters/lever and cables $150 plus shipping Brakes $50 plus shipping Deraileurs $100 plus shipping Brooks Saddle (all 3 are for sale) $75 plus shipping Crank Set - Brand New never used $325 plus shipping Bottom Bracket $25 plus shipping Jack Brown Greens $35 for the set plus shipping Wheelset $200 plus shipping, these are brand new are were build very well Plan on $100 for shipping the frame and $50 for the wheel set, everything else will range from $15-25 (I am in Canada) Pick up in free in Toronto, Combining items reduces shipping costs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Practical differences - SON vs Shimano Dyno hub?
Thanks for the tip. Will buy some and give it a go. On Aug 19, 2013 9:43 AM, M D Smith bee...@gmail.com wrote: Stupid phone- Should have signed off: Mike in Htfd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
On Monday, August 19, 2013 4:03:58 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Carbon blades are the only reason to get Opinel knives that I can see, other than good value for a stainless blade. Carbon holds a sharper edge than stainless, but requires actual care (oiling as needed) to prevent rust. Only reason? I bought my Opinel (discovered them a few years ago) because they are SHARP, and easy to keep that way, cheap, good blade lock, lightweight, don't look like a military grade weapon (what's with knives these days?), and classic. Tell it brother. I too despise that cheesy faux military/weapon look most pocket knives seem to have taken on in the past decade or so. I blame it on movies and TV. I keep an Opinel folding saw in my camping panniers and it's the bees knees. That or a pocket chainsaw and a fixed blade can do serious work and keep you warm (only use them on dead wood of course). I'd be buying a hatchet from Riv right now but already have one which is more than enough (they're not like bikes :) When it comes to little folding knives I do like my little spyderco knife. It's only about as big as my thumb, fits in my jeans coin pocket and opens with one hand.It seems at least half the knives spyderco makes are of the dumb weapon variety, but the little one I have is fairly innocuous and frequently useful. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS: 59c A. Homer Hilsen
Price lowered to $2600 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
On Monday, August 19, 2013 3:04:27 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote: One of the things I'm discovering with each passing day is how my previously held ideas about what made a bicycle comfortable are being smashed to bits by the Betty Foy. This pretty much sums up the Rivendell experience.I have struggled for a long time with fit and position on bicycles, despite riding from a very young age. The design and fit of Rivendells turned riding into something entirely new for me. It's great to hear you are adjusting to the Betty Foy's character after riding Dutch bikes for so long.I believe it only gets better from here. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
Cecily, In your original post you said the Betty met all your expectations. I read that and thought, just wait for it. It won't be long and those expectations will be blown out the water. Delighted they are being blown out the water! With abandon, Patrick On Monday, August 19, 2013 1:04:27 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote: One of the things I'm discovering with each passing day is how my previously held ideas about what made a bicycle comfortable are being smashed to bits by the Betty Foy. I had a heavy Dutch bike until March of this year. I loved it, but it was slow. That bike convinced me that slow and stately, completely upright riding was the only kind of riding I was suited for. When I had to get a cheap mixte to ride after my Dutch bike was damaged in an accident, I convinced myself that I couldn't ride in a more aggressive, forward leaning position. I had the bike shop install lots of spacers so I could ride stock upright, and even though the mixte was a lot lighter than the Dutch bike, it never felt swift or stable. I still felt slow and lethargic. When I picked up the Betty Foy on Saturday, one of the first things I noticed was how far forward I was leaning. The Soma Oxford handlebars are on a Soma Sutro stem - shorter than the Technomic by quite a lot - and I am not used to riding in that position. Some might not think that's aggressive at all, but for someone who has only ridden upright, it was quite a shift. The first thing I did was try riding up a hill right next to the bike shop. I was surprised at how quickly and easily I was able to ride up it. It's something I never would have considered on the Dutch bike. I would have hesitated doing it on the cheap aluminum mixte, too. On Sunday's ride, my mental tape recorder started running early. You're never going to be able to do 25km riding in this position. You're probably going to give up after 10K. You're too fat to ride like this. But as more road disappeared under my wheels, I found that all of the things I had thought were untrue. Of course, fitness plays a huge role in the limits we place on ourselves, but having the right tool at hand is hugely important. I never knew how important before I got the Betty Foy. This morning I whizzed into work in record time. Sure, going slow is great, but swift riding feels so good when you get to slay your mental and physical dragons at the same time. On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase. The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/ More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/ Happy riding, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
:-) Thanks. I am a randonneur, so food is definitely important. My Riv WAS my rando bike until I tried to ride further than 300k on it - top tube is too long and my shoulders give it up. Painfully. I'm ok, really, unless you all want to come out to the west side; lots of backroads here. They could even be hilly ones. (I hear Michael J snickering. He knows them all) On Friday, August 16, 2013 10:25:43 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: I think she's referring to an annual Grant Petersen ride held during pedalpalooza, which in it's description is heavy on the dress code, but I don't think is really representative of the PDXers that post in the bunch. From my experiences with the PDX group, the priorities seem to be: 0) Food 1) Backroads 2) Rough Stuff 3) Camping 4) Scenery 5) Storytelling Lynne, I know you're out on the west side. Maybe we should come to you? On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Matthew J matth...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Reading this, I see that all the posters are male, except for me. The alleged anti bike shorts vibe is what keeps me from participating in the Rivendell ride held annually in PDX. I thought it was about the BIKE, not the dress code. That is really a shame. From what I have read, many female riders have difficulty finding a comfortable saddle. Lately I am doing much better with my cycling different strokes for different folks attitude. But even in most ardent 'no diapers' days, I accepted that saddle makers just had not figured out a lot of women riders. Nowadays though whatever the rider wants to wear I am good with it. Just don't expect me to wear the dang things! On Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:01:56 PM UTC-5, Lynne Fitz wrote: Reading this, I see that all the posters are male, except for me. The alleged anti bike shorts vibe is what keeps me from participating in the Rivendell ride held annually in PDX. I thought it was about the BIKE, not the dress code. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
I just bought a pair of the blowout long MUSA's. Figure they may be good for the fall/winter with something warm under them. Thanks for the info. I may try the shorts if I see them on clearance, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!
You go girl:) Amazing how bikes can set us free Congrats...the Bett's a beaut and you do look very happy on it. Happy trails On Monday, August 19, 2013 2:04:27 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote: One of the things I'm discovering with each passing day is how my previously held ideas about what made a bicycle comfortable are being smashed to bits by the Betty Foy. I had a heavy Dutch bike until March of this year. I loved it, but it was slow. That bike convinced me that slow and stately, completely upright riding was the only kind of riding I was suited for. When I had to get a cheap mixte to ride after my Dutch bike was damaged in an accident, I convinced myself that I couldn't ride in a more aggressive, forward leaning position. I had the bike shop install lots of spacers so I could ride stock upright, and even though the mixte was a lot lighter than the Dutch bike, it never felt swift or stable. I still felt slow and lethargic. When I picked up the Betty Foy on Saturday, one of the first things I noticed was how far forward I was leaning. The Soma Oxford handlebars are on a Soma Sutro stem - shorter than the Technomic by quite a lot - and I am not used to riding in that position. Some might not think that's aggressive at all, but for someone who has only ridden upright, it was quite a shift. The first thing I did was try riding up a hill right next to the bike shop. I was surprised at how quickly and easily I was able to ride up it. It's something I never would have considered on the Dutch bike. I would have hesitated doing it on the cheap aluminum mixte, too. On Sunday's ride, my mental tape recorder started running early. You're never going to be able to do 25km riding in this position. You're probably going to give up after 10K. You're too fat to ride like this. But as more road disappeared under my wheels, I found that all of the things I had thought were untrue. Of course, fitness plays a huge role in the limits we place on ourselves, but having the right tool at hand is hugely important. I never knew how important before I got the Betty Foy. This morning I whizzed into work in record time. Sure, going slow is great, but swift riding feels so good when you get to slay your mental and physical dragons at the same time. On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote: I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase. The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/ More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/ Happy riding, Cecily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Pants/Shorts Size L
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[RBW] Re: FS: Chaco Sandals size 11
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[RBW] What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Correction: what I called boxers are actually boxer briefs, a nuance that probably makes a fundamental difference after a day on the road. Microweight Merino wool under Musa shorts, in any case... rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
I could bring disposable bowls and spoons for all if we elect to go with
Hugh's chili offer.
On Monday, August 19, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:
I could make this at home and reheat @ site. Let me know if you guy's
would be into this. I have a small soft insulated cooler which should keep
it fresh.
http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/turkey-black-bean-chili-5040109252/ Also
don't know if anyone has diet restrictions.
~Hugh
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Tom Virgil
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Ahem. Adult beverages. Thinking that a beer run (or wine or what have
you) back into town after unloading and setting up camping gear might be
the ticket. Can't see myself toting 12 pack (need enough to share) and ice
on top of my teetering load. Don't like shopping and leaving bike out side
locked or unlocked, so would prefer a partner on such a mission.
It the prevailing desire is for a Riv dinner in town or group campout, I
am good with either. Just need to know ahead so I don't pack too much.
Take out for dinner (bring to camp on adult beverage foray) and
collaborative breakfast is also an option. I am pretty easy to please,
just need to know what we are doing.
Best regards,
Tom
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
SoCal Rivesters,
I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can
jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
date before the Labor Day weekend.
Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
so I need a count quick before I reserve it.
Thanks for looking,
~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Traveling with a bike
I bought a Dahon speed TR specifically for travel. I've had varying degrees of luck with oversize but the 50lb rule has always been hard and fast. On trips to Hawaii it's either reduced or eliminated the need for a rental car so any airline fees are offset. On Monday, August 19, 2013 1:17:58 PM UTC-7, William wrote: I'm told that some airlines are more bike friendly (Southwest, maybe others) but have no personal knowledge of their rates limitations Just to chime in on this one topic. I was just researching Southwest and their boxed bike fee was raised from $50 to $75 as of February 2013. That's their printed 'policy' but you hear lots of anecdotes of them waiving the fee for some people. On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:41:09 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Michael: My Atlantis has done a bit of traveling, both by air by ground. While I'm not familiar with the box you reference, I can offer some thoughts in general. Within the US, look into shipping your bike ahead of time via ground service. Great Debate about who to use: Fed Ex or UPS; no clear winner there. However, both will take larger heavier shipments for less money than the airlines. I have a hard plastic case that is right at the magic 130 size (girth plus length) for ground services. Despite it's 30 lb weight, the Atlantis (usually 35 lbs) plus some other junk does not trip the overweight button. The convenience of ground shipping is you can send it directly to your destination don't have to hassle getting it to the airport. Downside of course is being without your bike for a few days. Airlines charge high fees (check with your specific carrier; it varies continuously) AND seem to universally impose HUGE overweight charges for checked baggage over 50 lbs. I have gotten the Atlantis packed into a cardboard box under 50 lbs but it meant no racks carrying some heavier components in other luggage. I'm told that some airlines are more bike friendly (Southwest, maybe others) but have no personal knowledge of their rates limitations. Having your bike with you on the plane is nice, but oversize luggage is the first to get bumped to the next flight (not always bad because they have to deliver it). Once at the airport, a boxed bike is a bit of an albatross to drag around a pain if you have to use a cab, bus or train between the airport your destination. As to actual containers, I've used the regular old cardboard boxes that bikes come to shops. They are good enough for one trip, free, and readily available. The do not offer the greatest protection and do require quite a bit of disassembly careful packing. Allow several hours for the process. Another option is to have a trusted LBS pack ship it for you. You'll of course pay for this service but if you find a shop that ships bikes (not all do) they'll have experience. This can be especially handy on the return. Source the shop ahead of time, drop the bike off it will appear back home in a few days. An open question is whether to reassemble at your destination or have a shop do it. I know people who feel better just having a shop do it all at both ends. There are good arguments on both sides of the question but it's an individual choice. dougP On Monday, August 19, 2013 9:22:56 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: Slightly OT, but I posted this to the Lifestyle list with no response. I'll be flying cross country to the Bay area in OCT and am considering bringing a bike in an eBike Box. Does anyone have experience with this container? How large a bike will it hold? How many trips can you expect to get (the mfg says 4-6 but it would be nice to hear from real users? Has it done a good job protecting your bike? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
My vote is with the plan that cyclotourist proposed. Seems we are close to eating establishments so why not? I do understand the fun of cooking in camp, but when restaurants are close by and local knowledge is among us restaurants win for me. However, if some are set for camp cooking I can do that as well. Will be in Portland today. The Portland in Maine however. On Sunday, August 18, 2013, cyclotourist wrote: We're getting in pretty early Fri, so might be worth it to ride back into town for group dinner when everyone arrives? Easy camp breakfast, ride, then second breakfast at the pier restaurant would be my vote. Sorta' iconic, and pretty reasonable in price quality for that sort of a place. On 8/18/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Hugh: Knowing your camp cooking skills (and depending on them!) I'll vote for dinner in camp. I'm hopeless in the kitchen but an eager volunteer for simple tasks, given adult supervision (caveat: my wife restricts my participation to lighting the grill and cleaning up; she does not entrust me with sharp objects). However, I'm more than willing to contribute some adult beverages to the festivities. On the AM side, I gotta make coffee before getting on the bike anyway, am happy with PB on bagels fruit. Suggest a camp breakfast, ride David's No Tools route, then possible second breakfast / brunch on the way home. Just my ideas. Look forward to hearing what others think. dougP On Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:17:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Curtis, I was planning on bringing the food thing up good timing...What's the consensus? Do we make camp then ride into SC for dinner then make our own Breakfast before the single track? Or do we want to do a group dinner? Looking forward to next weekend. ~Hugh On Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:29:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: Hi all, I may missed the posting about food. Are we planning to cook food in camp? Or will we support the local economy and eat out? Just need to know what to bring. Thanks. Looking forward to next Friday and Saturday. Peace On Saturday, August 17, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote: Tom, I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal temperatures for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a vengeance so yeah what you described would fit the bill. -Hugh On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear SoCal Rivsters, Been monitoring things. I live about the same distance from the coast as San Mateo is from San Onofre. Southern Orange County and Northern San Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is predictive of what we will see on the 23rd. Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast from about 4:00 PM. Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and then rolls back in. Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where the sun shown on the beach until setting. Samuel Hillborne and I were down at the Torrey Pines parking lot to see it (testing camping gear). I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd. No matter what, we are going to have a good time. Take care, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or-- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comjavascript:; . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Practical differences - SON vs Shimano Dyno hub?
After studying a Riv Reader report of their side-by-side drag test on then-current Shimano and SON hubs, I purchased a SON28 x Velocity Synergy 36h wheel from Rich Lesnik, and it's performed beautifully for several 1500mi+ riding seasons. Not many miles off-road, but I hop curbs and bang up and down hills a bit. Powers one of the IQ CYO variant headlights (the one with a closer-range reflector setup) and the tail light that Riv now sells. I'm satisfied, fully. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 cm Heron PBH
I have a post -Riv era 57cm Heron Touring and my PBH as measured by Rivendell is 83.5cm. Fits me real good! A 56cm would of been fine as well and for a short time I had a Riv-era 56cm Heron Road, but I decided I wanted to fit a fatter tire. -Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DC area 60-62cm Atlantis for a test ride?
I could bring a 56cm to the Atlantis Party! -Dave J Northern Neck, VA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
I'm with Curtis, Doug David lets do dinner out. ~Hugh On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote: My vote is with the plan that cyclotourist proposed. Seems we are close to eating establishments so why not? I do understand the fun of cooking in camp, but when restaurants are close by and local knowledge is among us restaurants win for me. However, if some are set for camp cooking I can do that as well. Will be in Portland today. The Portland in Maine however. On Sunday, August 18, 2013, cyclotourist wrote: We're getting in pretty early Fri, so might be worth it to ride back into town for group dinner when everyone arrives? Easy camp breakfast, ride, then second breakfast at the pier restaurant would be my vote. Sorta' iconic, and pretty reasonable in price quality for that sort of a place. On 8/18/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Hugh: Knowing your camp cooking skills (and depending on them!) I'll vote for dinner in camp. I'm hopeless in the kitchen but an eager volunteer for simple tasks, given adult supervision (caveat: my wife restricts my participation to lighting the grill and cleaning up; she does not entrust me with sharp objects). However, I'm more than willing to contribute some adult beverages to the festivities. On the AM side, I gotta make coffee before getting on the bike anyway, am happy with PB on bagels fruit. Suggest a camp breakfast, ride David's No Tools route, then possible second breakfast / brunch on the way home. Just my ideas. Look forward to hearing what others think. dougP On Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:17:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Curtis, I was planning on bringing the food thing up good timing...What's the consensus? Do we make camp then ride into SC for dinner then make our own Breakfast before the single track? Or do we want to do a group dinner? Looking forward to next weekend. ~Hugh On Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:29:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote: Hi all, I may missed the posting about food. Are we planning to cook food in camp? Or will we support the local economy and eat out? Just need to know what to bring. Thanks. Looking forward to next Friday and Saturday. Peace On Saturday, August 17, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote: Tom, I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal temperatures for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a vengeance so yeah what you described would fit the bill. -Hugh On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear SoCal Rivsters, Been monitoring things. I live about the same distance from the coast as San Mateo is from San Onofre. Southern Orange County and Northern San Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is predictive of what we will see on the 23rd. Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast from about 4:00 PM. Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and then rolls back in. Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where the sun shown on the beach until setting. Samuel Hillborne and I were down at the Torrey Pines parking lot to see it (testing camping gear). I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd. No matter what, we are going to have a good time. Take care, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or-- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/4mHdM9P2lK0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to
[RBW] Re: DC area 60-62cm Atlantis for a test ride?
I, too, could bring a 56 Erl Kensington, MD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Bumping this topic. My vote is for Bay Area, because this would be the first national jamboree, and it's Riv's 20th anniversary. I volunteer to help, too. Is anyone counting votes. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
They are puffy short. I can handle puffy, but I'd like another 4 or so of leg. YMMV. On 8/19/13, Addison Wilhite addisonwilh...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny, I like the MUSA shorts, especially for touring and around the camp. But I also find them pretty PUFFY and a bit short. Maybe it's because I'm 5'6 and 140ish pounds (i.e. thinnish). Conversely my Rapha touring shorts are a bit too longish though nice. I'm like goldilocks looking for the just right shorts and haven't quite found them. Addison Wilhite Educator - The Academy of Arts, Careers Technology, Reno, Nevada ( http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/) Blogger - Reno Rambler (http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com) Bicycle Advocate - Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee ( http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html) On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a (fast!!! On the gofast.) 22 mile out and back on the flat, smooth Rio Grande bike trail (with a 1 mile detour to drop off my daughter's tennis racquet at her nearby school). I wore a pair of good quality, flat-seamed cotton shorts over a pair of slinky and baggy nylon boxers. I generally don't wear these shorts since, though they fit well for other activities, and certainly are well made, they suffer from too high a crotch. This was very noticeable during the first 10 miles or so -- numb nuts, while other, more fully cut shorts, cotton, street, just disappear. So, all street shorts are not created equal. Personally, I find that the MUSAs I've worn are cut too tight in the thigh and too high in the crotch, but my shorts and knickers are the old models (both Medium) and perhaps the new model is better in this regard. Some of the best riding shorts are cut from the old style, fully-pleated khakis: plenty of room in thigh, high rise, low crotch seam. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I agree. Non-padded Swobo brand is also just as comfy. I can't stand padded shorts. Too hot and sweaty. Same with gel or padded saddles. I've never suffered any problems using ordinary shorts, undies, and a non-padded leather saddle, regardless of outside temps. I can and do spend a couple of hours at a time in the combo with no discomfort other than need to stretch out a bit and shake out the legs on a walkabout before resuming the ride. -- *From:* Frank pguil...@gmail.com *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 19, 2013 10:20 AM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please. Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to
Re: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
Too much longer and they become longs rather than shorts. Grin. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/ With abandon, Patrick On Monday, August 19, 2013 7:22:27 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: They are puffy short. I can handle puffy, but I'd like another 4 or so of leg. YMMV. On 8/19/13, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: It's funny, I like the MUSA shorts, especially for touring and around the camp. But I also find them pretty PUFFY and a bit short. Maybe it's because I'm 5'6 and 140ish pounds (i.e. thinnish). Conversely my Rapha touring shorts are a bit too longish though nice. I'm like goldilocks looking for the just right shorts and haven't quite found them. Addison Wilhite Educator - The Academy of Arts, Careers Technology, Reno, Nevada ( http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/) Blogger - Reno Rambler (http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com) Bicycle Advocate - Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee ( http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html) On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I just got back from a (fast!!! On the gofast.) 22 mile out and back on the flat, smooth Rio Grande bike trail (with a 1 mile detour to drop off my daughter's tennis racquet at her nearby school). I wore a pair of good quality, flat-seamed cotton shorts over a pair of slinky and baggy nylon boxers. I generally don't wear these shorts since, though they fit well for other activities, and certainly are well made, they suffer from too high a crotch. This was very noticeable during the first 10 miles or so -- numb nuts, while other, more fully cut shorts, cotton, street, just disappear. So, all street shorts are not created equal. Personally, I find that the MUSAs I've worn are cut too tight in the thigh and too high in the crotch, but my shorts and knickers are the old models (both Medium) and perhaps the new model is better in this regard. Some of the best riding shorts are cut from the old style, fully-pleated khakis: plenty of room in thigh, high rise, low crotch seam. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Ray Shine r.s...@sbcglobal.netjavascript: wrote: I agree. Non-padded Swobo brand is also just as comfy. I can't stand padded shorts. Too hot and sweaty. Same with gel or padded saddles. I've never suffered any problems using ordinary shorts, undies, and a non-padded leather saddle, regardless of outside temps. I can and do spend a couple of hours at a time in the combo with no discomfort other than need to stretch out a bit and shake out the legs on a walkabout before resuming the ride. -- *From:* Frank pgui...@gmail.com javascript: *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Monday, August 19, 2013 10:20 AM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please. Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Excellent. Dinner out.
On Monday, August 19, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:
I'm with Curtis, Doug David lets do dinner out.
~Hugh
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Curtis McKenzie
cmcy...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cmcy...@gmail.com');
wrote:
My vote is with the plan that cyclotourist proposed. Seems we are close
to eating establishments so why not? I do understand the fun of cooking in
camp, but when restaurants are close by and local knowledge is among us
restaurants win for me. However, if some are set for camp cooking I can do
that as well.
Will be in Portland today. The Portland in Maine however.
On Sunday, August 18, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:
We're getting in pretty early Fri, so might be worth it to ride back
into town for group dinner when everyone arrives?
Easy camp breakfast, ride, then second breakfast at the pier
restaurant would be my vote. Sorta' iconic, and pretty reasonable in
price quality for that sort of a place.
On 8/18/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
Hugh:
Knowing your camp cooking skills (and depending on them!) I'll vote for
dinner in camp. I'm hopeless in the kitchen but an eager volunteer for
simple tasks, given adult supervision (caveat: my wife restricts my
participation to lighting the grill and cleaning up; she does not
entrust
me with sharp objects). However, I'm more than willing to contribute
some
adult beverages to the festivities.
On the AM side, I gotta make coffee before getting on the bike anyway,
am
happy with PB on bagels fruit. Suggest a camp breakfast, ride
David's No
Tools route, then possible second breakfast / brunch on the way home.
Just my ideas. Look forward to hearing what others think.
dougP
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:17:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
Curtis,
I was planning on bringing the food thing up good timing...What's the
consensus? Do we make camp then ride into SC for dinner then make our
own
Breakfast before the single track? Or do we want to do a group dinner?
Looking forward to next weekend.
~Hugh
On Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:29:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
Hi all,
I may missed the posting about food. Are we planning to cook food in
camp? Or will we support the local economy and eat out? Just need to
know
what to bring. Thanks.
Looking forward to next Friday and Saturday.
Peace
On Saturday, August 17, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:
Tom,
I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal
temperatures for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a
vengeance so yeah what you described would fit the bill.
-Hugh
On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear SoCal Rivsters,
Been monitoring things. I live about the same distance from the
coast
as San Mateo is from San Onofre. Southern Orange County and
Northern
San
Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is
predictive of
what we will see on the 23rd.
Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast
from
about 4:00 PM. Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and
then
rolls back in.
Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where
the
sun shown on the beach until setting. Samuel Hillborne and I were
down
at
the Torrey Pines parking lot to see it (testing camping gear).
I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd. No matter
what,
we are going to have a good time.
Take care,
Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
They become shpants! http://youtu.be/jyIustn3C8k Revisiting an old favorite! Addison Wilhite Educator - The Academy of Arts, Careers Technology, Reno, Nevada ( http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/) Blogger - Reno Rambler (http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com) Bicycle Advocate - Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee ( http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html) On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Too much longer and they become longs rather than shorts. Grin. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/ With abandon, Patrick On Monday, August 19, 2013 7:22:27 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: They are puffy short. I can handle puffy, but I'd like another 4 or so of leg. YMMV. On 8/19/13, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny, I like the MUSA shorts, especially for touring and around the camp. But I also find them pretty PUFFY and a bit short. Maybe it's because I'm 5'6 and 140ish pounds (i.e. thinnish). Conversely my Rapha touring shorts are a bit too longish though nice. I'm like goldilocks looking for the just right shorts and haven't quite found them. Addison Wilhite Educator - The Academy of Arts, Careers Technology, Reno, Nevada ( http://www.**washoecountyschools.org/aact/http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/) Blogger - Reno Rambler (http://reno-rambler.blogspot.**comhttp://reno-rambler.blogspot.com) Bicycle Advocate - Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee ( http://www.rtcwashoe.com/**public-transportation-22-124.**htmlhttp://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html) On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: I just got back from a (fast!!! On the gofast.) 22 mile out and back on the flat, smooth Rio Grande bike trail (with a 1 mile detour to drop off my daughter's tennis racquet at her nearby school). I wore a pair of good quality, flat-seamed cotton shorts over a pair of slinky and baggy nylon boxers. I generally don't wear these shorts since, though they fit well for other activities, and certainly are well made, they suffer from too high a crotch. This was very noticeable during the first 10 miles or so -- numb nuts, while other, more fully cut shorts, cotton, street, just disappear. So, all street shorts are not created equal. Personally, I find that the MUSAs I've worn are cut too tight in the thigh and too high in the crotch, but my shorts and knickers are the old models (both Medium) and perhaps the new model is better in this regard. Some of the best riding shorts are cut from the old style, fully-pleated khakis: plenty of room in thigh, high rise, low crotch seam. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Ray Shine r.s...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I agree. Non-padded Swobo brand is also just as comfy. I can't stand padded shorts. Too hot and sweaty. Same with gel or padded saddles. I've never suffered any problems using ordinary shorts, undies, and a non-padded leather saddle, regardless of outside temps. I can and do spend a couple of hours at a time in the combo with no discomfort other than need to stretch out a bit and shake out the legs on a walkabout before resuming the ride. -- *From:* Frank pgui...@gmail.com *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com *Sent:* Monday, August 19, 2013 10:20 AM *Subject:* [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please. Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort. I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them), so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me. Am I missing something? I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them. But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes them better than any other regular pants. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Is the voting window open? If so mark me down for SF. Would be willing to
help or sponsor an event such as a slow bicycle race. PDX would be second
for me.
On Monday, August 19, 2013, Jim M. wrote:
Bumping this topic. My vote is for Bay Area, because this would be the
first national jamboree, and it's Riv's 20th anniversary. I volunteer to
help, too. Is anyone counting votes.
jim m
wc ca
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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Dinner out on the town it is... now where? Pizza Port is just Ok. Good beer but avg. pizza... any other ideas? ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Sonny's Pizza and Pasta is one of my all-time faves... they know how to cook with garlic! Carbonara is great as well, but a touch on the fancy side for a bunch of sweaty bike campers. I love Pizza Port. Good salads and I'm happy with their pizzas. And did anyone say beer? On 8/19/13, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Dinner out on the town it is... now where? Pizza Port is just Ok. Good beer but avg. pizza... any other ideas? ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I'll recuse myself from the vote as I'm not likely to be able to attend, but wherever it is it out to be a blast and I'll definitely wish I was able to be there. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Since I've never eaten dinner in San Clemente, I'll defer to David's experience. Sonny's looks good to me. Agree with Mike that Pizza Port is great beer but the food is typical tourist. dougP On Monday, August 19, 2013 7:02:56 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Sonny's Pizza and Pasta is one of my all-time faves... they know how to cook with garlic! Carbonara is great as well, but a touch on the fancy side for a bunch of sweaty bike campers. I love Pizza Port. Good salads and I'm happy with their pizzas. And did anyone say beer? On 8/19/13, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com javascript: wrote: Dinner out on the town it is... now where? Pizza Port is just Ok. Good beer but avg. pizza... any other ideas? ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
looked at Sonnys... well maybe Pizza Port is looking better. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Drag in non-direct gears on SA AW: noticeable?
For what it's worth, I don't notice any drag on my AW - But I might not recognize it, even if it bit me in the butt :.) The part of your question I don't understand is the specific numbers you give. Wouldn't those vary, depending on chainring and rear sprocket? I've got sprockets in one-tooth increments from 16 to 21, and I think they go to at least 22... That said, assuming you don't already have an AW, the SX3 and freewheel sound like a good bet for what you want to do. Nick W. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 2:07:32 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I am contemplating a second rear wheel for my '03 Curt Custom, a fixed gear bike, and I am thinking that, instead of all the nastiness involved with a derailleur drivetrain, a simple hub gear might be very nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Hugh's turkey chili looks delicious, and I don't want to dis him, but I really don't want to burden him with portaging it down from Irvine on his bike. Google maps indicates a 3.6 mile cruisehttps://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!4m19!3m18!1m5!1sSan+Mateo+Campground%2C+830+Cristianitos+Rd%2C+San+Clemente%2C+CA+92672!2s0x80dcf4e2ac3c2215%3A0x9b0053fcad43b0c6!3m2!3d33.405531!4d-117.584436!1m1!1sSonny's+Pizza+%26+Pasta%2C+429+North+El+Camino+Real%2C+San+Clemente%2C+CA!2e1!3m8!1m3!1d41630!2d-117.5990869!3d33.4124352!3m2!1i2141!2i1200!4f13.1fid=0 down from San Mateo to Sonny's. Recommend we pass the hat for Hugh's dining and liquid refreshment for all of his trouble setting this event up. Just out of interest, how do you folks secure your bikes while dining? I have not owned a bike lock since grade school. Since I left grade school, my policy has been to never let my bike out of my sight. Street view of Sonny'shttps://www.google.com/maps/preview?hl=en#!q=429+N+El+Camino+Real%2C+San+Clemente%2C+CA+92672data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-117.614923!3d33.429577!2m2!1f342.1!2f80.48!4f75!2m4!1e1!2m2!1strb0XLVgnZOobKTM4pIBDw!2e0!4m10!1m9!4m8!1m3!1d670556!2d-117.1089785!3d32.8245525!3m2!1i2141!2i1200!4f13.1fid=5. Not sure about the bike parking situation. Do you leave your gear back in camp? Best regards, Tom On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Briones solo ride today
Yes, I rode it although I am not bragging how awesome I am (see above poison oak note for reference). The first time was in 2010 on my 6 month old Hillborne with the original 35mm Panaracer Paselas and was, umm..., interesting. 50mm Schwalbe Duremes were better, but the rear wheel lost traction with too much brake action, although too little braking caused my head to bounce so much I couldn't see any trouble ahead. The Smart Sams are just right, but there are probably other tires that would do fine also. On Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:12:16 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: That's steep! You rode down that? ~Hugh On Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:35:17 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote: Often photos don't show how steep a trail is. This one came out pretty good. Earlier in the morning I tried a single track that today dumped me into poison oak. Stinkin' trail, you haven't heard the last of me! http://www.flickr.com/photos/51959000@N08/sets/72157635114434053/ Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: DC area 60-62cm Atlantis for a test ride?
Sounds like we have the making of a shindig... :) I get most of my recreational rides in on weekend mornings before 11 or noonish. I've got some work travel coming up but maybe we can stick a dart in a Sept weekend...? How does 14 or 15 Sep work for you guys? As far as location I'm up for anything roughly DC Metro, and further with some planning. Seems like some un-improved surfaces would be required for an Atlantis-themed ride right?!? Dave where in NN are you located? My grandparents have a place on the 'Rivah', kind of near Lively. I've got a book with some suggested road cycling routes in that area and imagine that there would be some good, relatively flat rides with neat views of the wetlands Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Re. Sonny's: Good food, great atmosphere, patio dining, cheap wine carafes! Re. locks: All the places I can think of have parking w/in eyesight out front. I'll bring a cable lock which can lock three or four bikes together. If a few other bring the same, we should be able to lock all 8-9 bikes up in a nice solid mass of lugged steel. On 8/19/13, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: looked at Sonnys... well maybe Pizza Port is looking better. ~mike -- -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
