date:20150312

I'd recommend the 700x38 Barlow Pass Extralight from Compass.  You can 
thank me later

Bill riding-700x38-Barlow-Pass-EL-on-a-56cm-Hillborne Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 8:28:05 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:

 I can't afford to do too much experimenting when it comes to bikes and 
 components so I could really use the wisdom and experience of the group on 
 this one.  I have a 56 Hillborne that came with two sets of wheels.  The 
 sturdy/heavy, 36h ones have 700x40 Schwalbe Mondials that I use for 
 commuting, trails and all around town riding.  Now I get to leverage my 
 birthday to finally get tires for the lighter 32 hole XT/Synergy wheels.  I 
 wanted to set them up to turn the Sam into my only go-fastish road bike for 
 summer riding.  I think I have it narrowed down to either 700x35 or 700x32 
 Marathon Supremes or Compass Stampede Pass (700x32).  I was leaning toward 
 the Supreme 32's to be a big difference from the beefy Mondials but, after 
 reading Jan's articles on tire size and pressure I started to think Supreme 
 35's might be a better choice.  The reason I lean toward the Schwalbes is 
 that I've had a long, very positive and almost flatless history with 
 Schwalbe.  Of course this wouldn't be a dilemma if I could just talk my 
 wife into buying me the Rodeo in the web specials!

 Since the Rodeo is not to be, I'd appreciate any guidance for a blissful, 
 light-ish, go fast-ish road riding summer spent on the Hillborne.

 Thanks,
 John





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[RBW] Re: Go fast-ish tires on the Hillborne

2015-03-12 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch

Now you guys have me thinking about switching from Stampede Pass to Barlowe 
Pass extra light...

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[RBW] Go fast-ish tires on the Hillborne

2015-03-12 Thread Mike Shaljian

As someone who rode Mara Supreme 33's for years and switched to Barlow Passes 
on my Hillborne, I would emphatically recommend you get Barlow Passes, and get 
the extra-lights. I was amazed at how my bike suddenly came alive when I 
switched to these, after years of suffering from paranoia that glass would 
destroy my tires (problematic in a college town) and that running tires at 
maximum pressure made me faster. 

I run the Barlows at 38 pounds in the front and 42 in the back and the ride is 
terrific, whether on pavement or gravel. I have not gotten a single flat in 
several thousand miles of riding these, and I still live in a college town with 
devolved children who still like to throw bottles in the street. I think fat, 
fast and light is a great combination and I don't think you can get a better 
tire than the Compass for predominantly road riding. The Marathons, on the 
other hand, are way overbuilt for most people (IMO), and the extra width of 
a 38 vs. a 33 will help with flat resistance. 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis or Hunq - what's the real difference?



On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 10:04:45 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:


 Interesting!  So the Bomba, Hunq, and Atlantis are all three straight 8 OX 
 Plat in the main triangle   makes sense, but, there it is..

 -L


I don't know about the Bomba production run, but the prototypes were not 
straight gauge. The prototypes had 1.2/0.9 main down and seat tubes.
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr39_pg45.jpg

jim m
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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

Thanks, Scott! Volume matter immensely here, as I need the tire to do 
bikepacking on root, rocky trails. and the wider race tires with side 
knobbies, as Jim M. mentioned, have increased slippage on the roots.

Jim W., excellent point on the Big Ben's I may give them a shot. How do 
they handle wet roots and loose gravel trails combined with rock bouncing 
and jouncing (loose-ish gravel in-between? Riv describes the Smart Sam as 
doesn't suck on pavement and I imagine the Big ben equally doesn't suck 
on trails -- and since most of my riding (by time anyway) is trails and 
dirt roads, the Smart Sam's likely win that battle.

I may be looking for El Dorado here. Sardonic grin. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 7:23:20 AM UTC-6, Skenry wrote:

 This is a little narrower than you are looking for, but this is my new 
 favorite go-to tire. 
 The Forte (performance) Greenway, its 700x40 so about a 1.6 

 http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1168230_-1_400237__400237
  
 They are cheap, belted, somewhat light, and have a great tread.   I've 
 both under and over inflated them and run them from 30 to about 80psi. 
 Did I mention they are cheap? 

 Scott 
 Excited to ride on said tires again in Dayton, OH.   The snow has 
 finally melted, now time for a weekend flood-watch 

 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  So my rides center around dirt (roads and trails), but there can be 
 lng 
  stretches of paved on my rides (the one I hope to do tomorrow, or soon, 
 is 
  about 20 dirt road, 60 paved). 
  
  I love the knobbies on my Smart Sams for all the dirt and trails, mud 
 and 
  snow, and the ridge pattern is pretty good for paved, but I’m wondering 
 what 
  others use for their favorite allrounder tire in 700 x 2”ish size? 
  
  With abandon, 
  Patrick 
  
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[RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Why not go from minor to MAJOR MINDBLOWN??  Would LOVE to see a Carbonomas 
fork, Clem edition for wide tires... Now THAT might even compel me to 
pilfer a carbon fork at the local latte cafe on a Sunday morning...* 
(kidding of course... wait, that's actually NOT a bad idea... save a life, 
steal a carbon fork...)*

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:12:39 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 We all know about Carbonomas forks.  It's a divisive subject, but one 
 where I believe Grant has put his money where his mouth is, essentially 
 subsidizing people to take their carbon forks off the road.  Love him or 
 hate him for doing that...I'm talking about something completely different.

 I own two 700C Rivendells that have cantilever brakes.  Both those bikes 
 have only fender eyelets below the fork tip, but not the second eyelet 
 above the fork tip.  The really cool Hub Area Rack needs to bolt to the one 
 above the fork tip.  It always makes me just a tiny bit sad that I don't 
 have the super cool batwing fork tips with two braze ons.

 But now it looks like I CAN have what I want.  For $125 I can buy a fork 
 from Rivendell with the bat-wing tips!  Only for 700c wheels, and only for 
 cantilever brakes.  I'm going to be doing some measurements tonight and 
 might be ordering one (or two).  

 Simple One Fork http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f.htm




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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-12 Thread Mark Reimer

Agreed on the WTB Nano's. It has a center-tread that makes it ride almost 
like a slick, but enough bite on the sides that you can rip around on 
trails no problem. I've got the 2.1's in the Atlantis and my Dad rides the 
40's on his cx bike. Both are great.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 9:44:55 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The more I think about this, the more I wonder if it isn't worth it to 
 simply follow my own advice about a go-fast country bike tire and swap out 
 to a pair of Barlow Pass tires when it is time to do longer dirt road and 
 paved road rides, and then back to Smart Sams for the dirt roads and trails 
 time. H. Kinda wishing I hadn't sold the Barlows I had last year. 
 Sardonic grin.

 This gets at the reason I'd love an A.H.H. The Hunqapillar is well suited 
 for both types of riding, but there isn't a tire that is. Hmmm.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

The more I think about this, the more I wonder if it isn't worth it to 
simply follow my own advice about a go-fast country bike tire and swap out 
to a pair of Barlow Pass tires when it is time to do longer dirt road and 
paved road rides, and then back to Smart Sams for the dirt roads and trails 
time. H. Kinda wishing I hadn't sold the Barlows I had last year. 
Sardonic grin.

This gets at the reason I'd love an A.H.H. The Hunqapillar is well suited 
for both types of riding, but there isn't a tire that is. Hmmm.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Best 2ish allrounder tire?

Or use the Big Bens as the default tire, and switch to the Smart Sams if 
the trail/or bike packing trip warrants it. Hm.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-12 Thread Scott Henry

This is a little narrower than you are looking for, but this is my new
favorite go-to tire.
The Forte (performance) Greenway, its 700x40 so about a 1.6
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1168230_-1_400237__400237
They are cheap, belted, somewhat light, and have a great tread.   I've
both under and over inflated them and run them from 30 to about 80psi.
Did I mention they are cheap?

Scott
Excited to ride on said tires again in Dayton, OH.   The snow has
finally melted, now time for a weekend flood-watch

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 So my rides center around dirt (roads and trails), but there can be lng
 stretches of paved on my rides (the one I hope to do tomorrow, or soon, is
 about 20 dirt road, 60 paved).

 I love the knobbies on my Smart Sams for all the dirt and trails, mud and
 snow, and the ridge pattern is pretty good for paved, but I’m wondering what
 others use for their favorite allrounder tire in 700 x 2”ish size?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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 www.OurHolyConception.org

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[RBW] Re: Go fast-ish tires on the Hillborne

2015-03-12 Thread Darin G.

I have 38ish Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis for commuting mounted on 36 
hole XT/Mavic A719 rims.  I've also run JB Blues on there and on my 56 
Hillborne on the same rim.  There's clearly a comfort difference with the 
bigger rubber and they are a little slower to spin up, but it doesn't seem 
to matter much when I've got a saddlebag and a front bag.  I like the fact 
that it feels bombproof and my mind is free from worry about potholes and 
punctures on my commutes, but short of touring and commuting I think they 
are overkill.  My go-fast bike is a Romulus and In November I replaced the 
Ruffy Tuffys  with the regular Stampede Pass and I noticed a dramatic 
improvement in comfort and performance.  One flat at about 400 miles 
(glass). If the difference between the Mondials and the Barlow Pass is at 
all similar, and I don't see why it wouldn't be you would be very pleased 
with the Barlow Pass.  Love Compass tires, they are the cat's pajamas.  

On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote:

 I can't afford to do too much experimenting when it comes to bikes and 
 components so I could really use the wisdom and experience of the group on 
 this one.  I have a 56 Hillborne that came with two sets of wheels.  The 
 sturdy/heavy, 36h ones have 700x40 Schwalbe Mondials that I use for 
 commuting, trails and all around town riding.  Now I get to leverage my 
 birthday to finally get tires for the lighter 32 hole XT/Synergy wheels.  I 
 wanted to set them up to turn the Sam into my only go-fastish road bike for 
 summer riding.  I think I have it narrowed down to either 700x35 or 700x32 
 Marathon Supremes or Compass Stampede Pass (700x32).  I was leaning toward 
 the Supreme 32's to be a big difference from the beefy Mondials but, after 
 reading Jan's articles on tire size and pressure I started to think Supreme 
 35's might be a better choice.  The reason I lean toward the Schwalbes is 
 that I've had a long, very positive and almost flatless history with 
 Schwalbe.  Of course this wouldn't be a dilemma if I could just talk my 
 wife into buying me the Rodeo in the web specials!

 Since the Rodeo is not to be, I'd appreciate any guidance for a blissful, 
 light-ish, go fast-ish road riding summer spent on the Hillborne.

 Thanks,
 John





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Re: [RBW] Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

Jim, have you done a 650B conversion with those? Do the pads drop low
enough for a B-sized rim???

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 whos to say that it can't be used with 650b?

 http://www.promaxcomponents.com/products/p1brakes/

 (if only they came in silver!!)

 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 We all know about Carbonomas forks.  It's a divisive subject, but one
 where I believe Grant has put his money where his mouth is, essentially
 subsidizing people to take their carbon forks off the road.  Love him or
 hate him for doing that...I'm talking about something completely different.

 I own two 700C Rivendells that have cantilever brakes.  Both those bikes
 have only fender eyelets below the fork tip, but not the second eyelet
 above the fork tip.  The really cool Hub Area Rack needs to bolt to the one
 above the fork tip.  It always makes me just a tiny bit sad that I don't
 have the super cool batwing fork tips with two braze ons.

 But now it looks like I CAN have what I want.  For $125 I can buy a fork
 from Rivendell with the bat-wing tips!  Only for 700c wheels, and only for
 cantilever brakes.  I'm going to be doing some measurements tonight and
 might be ordering one (or two).

 Simple One Fork http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f.htm


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[RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Surlyprof

Has anyone checked the bathroom?

[image: Tp]



On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 8:49:40 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 This may get me tossed from this forum... so just to be clear, I am NOT 
 advocating STEALING, I'm advocating STEELING!!  Thanks, Bill !!!
 *(Which also makes me wonder... what DOES Grant do with all those orphaned 
 carbon forks?)  *

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:31:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Save a lifeSTEEL a Carbon fork!



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Re: [RBW] Widest fender for 20 wheel?

2015-03-12 Thread arthur

Anton: 

I ordered these wide SKS fenders from ThorUSA -- custom-made for them, it 
seems?
http://www.thorusa.com/accessories/racks.htm [scroll down page)

The 53mm fenders cover my Big Apples 20x2.0s fine. However, the mounting 
struts aren't great -- they just clip to the fender. I've been thinking of 
ordering some Velo Orange fender struts and mounting them on the SKS 
fenders.. should work fine, and be much stronger.

Arthur

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 7:26:06 PM UTC-7, René wrote:

 Thanks for the warning. 

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Ugh, I would not choose Wald fenders.  Heavy steel, and the ones I've 
 seen begin to rust if left out a lot.  The Hauladay doesn't fold, so 
 disassembly is not a concern.

 Anton


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:04:03 PM UTC-4, René wrote:

 BTW, I just did a search and discovered the following:

 Wald Steel fenders. There's a model that seems to be designed for 20 
 wheels, and for tires 2.0/2.125 wide. However, the description is a bit 
 confusing and I want to confirm that they are indeed designed for 20 
 wheels, and not for 20 bikes that would actually have 24 wheels. Amazon 
 and Niagara Cycle sells them. 

 Not sure how easy they would be to pack/unpack if you travel with the BF 
 inside its suitcase, but for folding and putting in the trunk or storing I 
 guess they'd work well if they are indeed designed for 20 wheels. I'll try 
 giving them a call tomorrow.

 René 

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 wrote:

 I have the same problem with my Bike Friday Pocket Lama and its 2.0 Big 
 Apples. When I purchased it, the salesperson sent me his own fenders since 
 they were out at the time and I was taking my bike to Chicago where it was 
 going to be raining. 

 Unfortunately, those fenders were discontinued (they seemed to be 
 handmade and were designed to fully cover the 2.0 tires) and what BF 
 finally sent me were the Planet Bike fenders that have the issues you 
 describe. They are probably better than nothing, but not an ideal 
 solution. 
 I haven't been able to find anything else, so I'll be very interested in 
 seeing if your experiment works.

 René 

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be taking delivery of a Bike Friday Hauladay cargo bike shortly 
 and will need to outfit it with fenders.  Here's the deal:  the bike will 
 come stock with 20x1.75 tires.  I will want to immediately upgrade them 
 to 
 20x2.0 Schwalbe Big Apples, or if the frame will fit even larger ones, 
 20x2.125 Schwalbe Big Bens.  The problem is going to be sourcing fenders 
 that fit.  Both Planet Bike and SKS make fenders for 20 wheels, but the 
 widths limit them for use with 1.75 wide tires.  The Planet Bike fenders 
 are 50mm wide (and I have these on another 20 wheeled bike with 20x1.75 
 tires, and it's a very tight fit).  The SKS fenders are 55mm wide.  

 I'm considering trying some VO stainless 60mm fenders for 26 wheels 
 and re-radiusing them for 20 wheels, which will widen them 
 significantly, 
 but I've only ever done this for using 700C fenders on 650B applications, 
 where the delta radius was only about an inch, and it's very easy. But 
 going from 26 to 20 would require a delta radius of around 3! 

 Does anyone know of any wider fenders that will work with 55 and even 
 60mm wide 20 tires?

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Re: [RBW] Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Jim Bronson

whos to say that it can't be used with 650b?

http://www.promaxcomponents.com/products/p1brakes/

(if only they came in silver!!)

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 We all know about Carbonomas forks.  It's a divisive subject, but one
 where I believe Grant has put his money where his mouth is, essentially
 subsidizing people to take their carbon forks off the road.  Love him or
 hate him for doing that...I'm talking about something completely different.

 I own two 700C Rivendells that have cantilever brakes.  Both those bikes
 have only fender eyelets below the fork tip, but not the second eyelet
 above the fork tip.  The really cool Hub Area Rack needs to bolt to the one
 above the fork tip.  It always makes me just a tiny bit sad that I don't
 have the super cool batwing fork tips with two braze ons.

 But now it looks like I CAN have what I want.  For $125 I can buy a fork
 from Rivendell with the bat-wing tips!  Only for 700c wheels, and only for
 cantilever brakes.  I'm going to be doing some measurements tonight and
 might be ordering one (or two).

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Re: [RBW] Widest fender for 20 wheel?

2015-03-12 Thread René Sterental

BTW, I just did a search and discovered the following:

Wald Steel fenders. There's a model that seems to be designed for 20
wheels, and for tires 2.0/2.125 wide. However, the description is a bit
confusing and I want to confirm that they are indeed designed for 20
wheels, and not for 20 bikes that would actually have 24 wheels. Amazon
and Niagara Cycle sells them.

Not sure how easy they would be to pack/unpack if you travel with the BF
inside its suitcase, but for folding and putting in the trunk or storing I
guess they'd work well if they are indeed designed for 20 wheels. I'll try
giving them a call tomorrow.

René

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:46 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have the same problem with my Bike Friday Pocket Lama and its 2.0 Big
 Apples. When I purchased it, the salesperson sent me his own fenders since
 they were out at the time and I was taking my bike to Chicago where it was
 going to be raining.

 Unfortunately, those fenders were discontinued (they seemed to be handmade
 and were designed to fully cover the 2.0 tires) and what BF finally sent me
 were the Planet Bike fenders that have the issues you describe. They are
 probably better than nothing, but not an ideal solution. I haven't been
 able to find anything else, so I'll be very interested in seeing if your
 experiment works.

 René

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be taking delivery of a Bike Friday Hauladay cargo bike shortly and
 will need to outfit it with fenders.  Here's the deal:  the bike will come
 stock with 20x1.75 tires.  I will want to immediately upgrade them to
 20x2.0 Schwalbe Big Apples, or if the frame will fit even larger ones,
 20x2.125 Schwalbe Big Bens.  The problem is going to be sourcing fenders
 that fit.  Both Planet Bike and SKS make fenders for 20 wheels, but the
 widths limit them for use with 1.75 wide tires.  The Planet Bike fenders
 are 50mm wide (and I have these on another 20 wheeled bike with 20x1.75
 tires, and it's a very tight fit).  The SKS fenders are 55mm wide.

 I'm considering trying some VO stainless 60mm fenders for 26 wheels and
 re-radiusing them for 20 wheels, which will widen them significantly, but
 I've only ever done this for using 700C fenders on 650B applications, where
 the delta radius was only about an inch, and it's very easy. But going from
 26 to 20 would require a delta radius of around 3!

 Does anyone know of any wider fenders that will work with 55 and even
 60mm wide 20 tires?

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Re: [RBW] Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Jim Bronson

No, I haven't with a 700C bike, but I have thought of converting my 26
wheeled MTB to 650B with these brakes.  It's just not too high on the
priority list right now.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:13 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Jim, have you done a 650B conversion with those? Do the pads drop low
 enough for a B-sized rim???

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 whos to say that it can't be used with 650b?

 http://www.promaxcomponents.com/products/p1brakes/

 (if only they came in silver!!)

 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 We all know about Carbonomas forks.  It's a divisive subject, but one
 where I believe Grant has put his money where his mouth is, essentially
 subsidizing people to take their carbon forks off the road.  Love him or
 hate him for doing that...I'm talking about something completely different.

 I own two 700C Rivendells that have cantilever brakes.  Both those bikes
 have only fender eyelets below the fork tip, but not the second eyelet
 above the fork tip.  The really cool Hub Area Rack needs to bolt to the one
 above the fork tip.  It always makes me just a tiny bit sad that I don't
 have the super cool batwing fork tips with two braze ons.

 But now it looks like I CAN have what I want.  For $125 I can buy a fork
 from Rivendell with the bat-wing tips!  Only for 700c wheels, and only for
 cantilever brakes.  I'm going to be doing some measurements tonight and
 might be ordering one (or two).

 Simple One Fork http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f.htm


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Re: [RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

Hoya single lens iD. My doc suggested I get separate reading glasses 
because of how progressive lenses might interact with my brain and 
particularly my vertigo.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Widest fender for 20 wheel?

2015-03-12 Thread Anton Tutter

Ugh, I would not choose Wald fenders.  Heavy steel, and the ones I've seen 
begin to rust if left out a lot.  The Hauladay doesn't fold, so disassembly 
is not a concern.

Anton


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:04:03 PM UTC-4, René wrote:

 BTW, I just did a search and discovered the following:

 Wald Steel fenders. There's a model that seems to be designed for 20 
 wheels, and for tires 2.0/2.125 wide. However, the description is a bit 
 confusing and I want to confirm that they are indeed designed for 20 
 wheels, and not for 20 bikes that would actually have 24 wheels. Amazon 
 and Niagara Cycle sells them. 

 Not sure how easy they would be to pack/unpack if you travel with the BF 
 inside its suitcase, but for folding and putting in the trunk or storing I 
 guess they'd work well if they are indeed designed for 20 wheels. I'll try 
 giving them a call tomorrow.

 René 

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:46 PM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I have the same problem with my Bike Friday Pocket Lama and its 2.0 Big 
 Apples. When I purchased it, the salesperson sent me his own fenders since 
 they were out at the time and I was taking my bike to Chicago where it was 
 going to be raining. 

 Unfortunately, those fenders were discontinued (they seemed to be 
 handmade and were designed to fully cover the 2.0 tires) and what BF 
 finally sent me were the Planet Bike fenders that have the issues you 
 describe. They are probably better than nothing, but not an ideal solution. 
 I haven't been able to find anything else, so I'll be very interested in 
 seeing if your experiment works.

 René 

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I'll be taking delivery of a Bike Friday Hauladay cargo bike shortly and 
 will need to outfit it with fenders.  Here's the deal:  the bike will come 
 stock with 20x1.75 tires.  I will want to immediately upgrade them to 
 20x2.0 Schwalbe Big Apples, or if the frame will fit even larger ones, 
 20x2.125 Schwalbe Big Bens.  The problem is going to be sourcing fenders 
 that fit.  Both Planet Bike and SKS make fenders for 20 wheels, but the 
 widths limit them for use with 1.75 wide tires.  The Planet Bike fenders 
 are 50mm wide (and I have these on another 20 wheeled bike with 20x1.75 
 tires, and it's a very tight fit).  The SKS fenders are 55mm wide.  

 I'm considering trying some VO stainless 60mm fenders for 26 wheels and 
 re-radiusing them for 20 wheels, which will widen them significantly, but 
 I've only ever done this for using 700C fenders on 650B applications, where 
 the delta radius was only about an inch, and it's very easy. But going from 
 26 to 20 would require a delta radius of around 3! 

 Does anyone know of any wider fenders that will work with 55 and even 
 60mm wide 20 tires?

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-12 Thread Mike Schiller

with Paul Canti's you can add Hunter Nugz 
 http://huntercycles.bigcartel.com/product/hunter-nugz 
http://huntercycles.bigcartel.com/product/hunter-nugz .  They make it 
easy to adjust for different rim widths.  
I have them on my Bantam that will have ( eventually) two wheelsets.  Fat 
roadies and fatter knobbies.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14522976996/in/set-72157642985369584

~mike
Carlsbad Ca


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:52:47 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am a huge proponent of multiple wheelsets. I have two wheelsets on two 
 different bikes that I swap, and have zero problem shifting between them. 
 One set is disc brakes which is really easy (swapping between 700X40C and 
 650X50B). On the rim brake wheelsets, I just make sure the outside rim 
 width is the same on both (23mm) so I don't have to adjust brakes. Swapping 
 tires on the other hand just doesn't happen.

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Good to know, Jim. Thank you!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:26:11 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 Spoke too soon. With further miles, they were found to stretch a bit:
 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/06/24/continental-race-
 king-2-2-tires-midterm-report/


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2? 
 It's just above the max for the Hunqapillar. 


 My experience with Conti's is that they run small. Here's a review of 
 the Race King that measured them at 2.02:
 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/04/12/continental-race-
 king-22-29er-tires-first-impressions/ 

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Re: [RBW] Widest fender for 20 wheel?

2015-03-12 Thread René Sterental

Thanks for the warning.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ugh, I would not choose Wald fenders.  Heavy steel, and the ones I've seen
 begin to rust if left out a lot.  The Hauladay doesn't fold, so disassembly
 is not a concern.

 Anton


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:04:03 PM UTC-4, René wrote:

 BTW, I just did a search and discovered the following:

 Wald Steel fenders. There's a model that seems to be designed for 20
 wheels, and for tires 2.0/2.125 wide. However, the description is a bit
 confusing and I want to confirm that they are indeed designed for 20
 wheels, and not for 20 bikes that would actually have 24 wheels. Amazon
 and Niagara Cycle sells them.

 Not sure how easy they would be to pack/unpack if you travel with the BF
 inside its suitcase, but for folding and putting in the trunk or storing I
 guess they'd work well if they are indeed designed for 20 wheels. I'll try
 giving them a call tomorrow.

 René

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:46 PM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have the same problem with my Bike Friday Pocket Lama and its 2.0 Big
 Apples. When I purchased it, the salesperson sent me his own fenders since
 they were out at the time and I was taking my bike to Chicago where it was
 going to be raining.

 Unfortunately, those fenders were discontinued (they seemed to be
 handmade and were designed to fully cover the 2.0 tires) and what BF
 finally sent me were the Planet Bike fenders that have the issues you
 describe. They are probably better than nothing, but not an ideal solution.
 I haven't been able to find anything else, so I'll be very interested in
 seeing if your experiment works.

 René

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be taking delivery of a Bike Friday Hauladay cargo bike shortly
 and will need to outfit it with fenders.  Here's the deal:  the bike will
 come stock with 20x1.75 tires.  I will want to immediately upgrade them to
 20x2.0 Schwalbe Big Apples, or if the frame will fit even larger ones,
 20x2.125 Schwalbe Big Bens.  The problem is going to be sourcing fenders
 that fit.  Both Planet Bike and SKS make fenders for 20 wheels, but the
 widths limit them for use with 1.75 wide tires.  The Planet Bike fenders
 are 50mm wide (and I have these on another 20 wheeled bike with 20x1.75
 tires, and it's a very tight fit).  The SKS fenders are 55mm wide.

 I'm considering trying some VO stainless 60mm fenders for 26 wheels
 and re-radiusing them for 20 wheels, which will widen them significantly,
 but I've only ever done this for using 700C fenders on 650B applications,
 where the delta radius was only about an inch, and it's very easy. But
 going from 26 to 20 would require a delta radius of around 3!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm parallel 2TT Bombadil Raw F/F/HS +

2015-03-12 Thread Dan McNamara

That build looks great Jeff! Too bad it was a little too small for you. I am 
sure the 58 Atlantis will show up. 

Dan



 On Mar 12, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey.marc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know right, The stars must have aligned. Now if someone would post a 58cm 
 Atlantis for sale I'll be golden! The clear over raw is by far my favorite 
 finish. It looks even better in person.
 
 
 
 
 Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:
 
 So about a month ago I bought a beautiful parallel double top tube Bombadil 
 off the list from Dan McNamera.  You may remember the posting. 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/AHOeBQ9082w
 Anyhow, The bike is in immaculate condition and rides like a dream. Except 
 for one thing. It's too small. After enlisting the help of my wife I finally 
 got a true measurement of my PBH and it turns out it's 87cm, which is right 
 at the top end for this size.
 It works but it's not ideal for me. So I am going to sell this to fund my 
 dream bike. a 58cm Atlantis.
 
 
 F/F/HS + VO stainless fenders $1350
 add $300 for Rich built 650B wheelset/  (LX hubs 36h R 32h F laced to 
 Velocity Synergy)  
 Your choice of Pacenti Quasi-moto's or Schwalbe Big Ben's.
 
 Pm me off list if you have any questions.
 
 Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-12 Thread Joe Bernard

WOW. I didn't expect the cream-maybe-white lug fills on these lower-priced 
frames. I prefer same color headtubes with just the lug windows 
contrasting, so this really hits the spot. And the filled RBWs! Hoo boy..in 
spite of the fact I have all the wheels and parts ready for a build, I 
still hadn't planned on spending another $700 on bike stuff this soon. I 
predict I will change my mind! I like the blue..

Joe just buy and ride Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 4:51:59 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I'm sure most of you check every day, but for those who missed it, there 
 are a few ClemSamples back from paint displayed on the BLUG.  Plan on 
 visiting Riv HQ next week and take a test ride!




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[RBW] frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-12 Thread Philip Williamson

JB WELD!!
Just kidding.
I got nothing.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

Oh, I didn't even think smaller to larger conversion... that would probably
more doable than the other way... thanks.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, I haven't with a 700C bike, but I have thought of converting my 26
 wheeled MTB to 650B with these brakes.  It's just not too high on the
 priority list right now.

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 wrote:

 Jim, have you done a 650B conversion with those? Do the pads drop low
 enough for a B-sized rim???

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 wrote:

 whos to say that it can't be used with 650b?

 http://www.promaxcomponents.com/products/p1brakes/

 (if only they came in silver!!)

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 wrote:

 We all know about Carbonomas forks.  It's a divisive subject, but one
 where I believe Grant has put his money where his mouth is, essentially
 subsidizing people to take their carbon forks off the road.  Love him or
 hate him for doing that...I'm talking about something completely different.

 I own two 700C Rivendells that have cantilever brakes.  Both those
 bikes have only fender eyelets below the fork tip, but not the second
 eyelet above the fork tip.  The really cool Hub Area Rack needs to bolt to
 the one above the fork tip.  It always makes me just a tiny bit sad that I
 don't have the super cool batwing fork tips with two braze ons.

 But now it looks like I CAN have what I want.  For $125 I can buy a
 fork from Rivendell with the bat-wing tips!  Only for 700c wheels, and only
 for cantilever brakes.  I'm going to be doing some measurements tonight and
 might be ordering one (or two).

 Simple One Fork http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f.htm


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RE: [RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Swordfork fights

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

This may get me tossed from this forum... so just to be clear, I am NOT 
advocating STEALING, I'm advocating STEELING!!  Thanks, Bill !!!
(Which also makes me wonder... what DOES Grant do with all those orphaned 
carbon forks?)

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:31:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Save a lifeSTEEL a Carbon fork!
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[RBW] Re: Tips for using the Minoura Repair Stand?

2015-03-12 Thread Zack

I clamp on the second top tube, right on the paint, and STILL i had someone 
say to me that my bike looks way cleaner than Chris Chen's even though I 
have had it for over three years.  Crushing blow.  

My one tip: Mind the silver bar end shifters once you get the bike up on 
the stand.  I have many a tiny head scar from bumping my head on those bad 
boys while working on the bike.

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[RBW] Re: Need hanging light hanging advice...

2015-03-12 Thread Anton Tutter

I have a Nitto M13 with 5mm threaded eyelets for a traditional flashlight 
mount.  I intend to retap one for M6 and use the Sheldon nut trick for the 
hanging Edelux. If the eyelet is fairly thick, there will be enough metal 
left for the eyelet to be suffficiently strong. If the eyelet is too thin, 
tapping to M6 may remove too much metal.

Anton


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:58:00 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 VO Randonneur Rack. It has 5M eyelets, but I think the mounting hole on 
 the light will be 6M. 

 So just use a 5M bolt through the 6M light mount hole will be ok?

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[RBW] FS: Schwalbe Dureme 700x50

$100 shipped CONUS. Please contact off list. Thank you for looking!

These have 3/4 of their life left and have seen a lot of adventure, as I used 
them to ride sections of the Great Divide MTB trail as well as single track. 
Sold as is, but the tires are in good usable condition.

The Dureme has all the anti-puncture bells and whistles Schwalbe offered a 
couple of years ago and these sold for $90/each new.

In the photo, the right tire is the rear, the left the front, so you may want 
to start by reversing them.


With abandon,
Patrick

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www.OurHolyConception.org

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[RBW] Re: Getting comfortable on the Noodle

Not a noodle, but I shifted from Albatross to Albastache (so a less extreme 
shift?) and the love affair was instant and long lasting. Long rides, short 
rides, road, single track, steep climbs, steep descents, it is luscious. It 
felt that way even though I still have a fair bit of dialing in to do with 
height and angle.

Not that it matters for you as you likely don't have vertigo, but my 
vertigo and drops did not get along at all in the 10 second ride I gave 
them when noodles came with my new-to-me QB. So that was a case of instant 
no-go. I tried the Albatross bars for several years trying to make it work. 
My take is if you have to try, beyond obvious height and angle and reach 
adjustments, then move on to the next bar. May I recommend the Albastache? 
Nothing need change from the drops, unless you want a slightly longer stem, 
but that can be worked out when you know if you like them.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Getting comfortable on the Noodle

2015-03-12 Thread Edwin W

In trying to separate my two main rides a bit more, I switched out albas 
for noodles on my Sam this winter. At first, the outside of my left 
shoulder was sore and it just felt all wrong. Not that surprising, since I 
had been on albas or other swept back handlebars everyday for the last 7-8 
years. After a couple of hundred miles they are feeling pretty comfy and 
the shoulder discomfort is gone. I am planning on giving it  a year before 
I decide again. I don't love the drag of a cockpit swap like many on this 
list do!
For reference, my other bike is a Rmid-70's Raleigh Sprite, fixed gear with 
the original, city bars.
Edwin

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:52:01 AM UTC-5, Dave wrote:

 Hey folks,

 Looking for some advice on my newly installed 46cm Nitto Noodle (swapped 
 out Albatross bars).  PBH of 84, a little over 5'8, riding a 57cm AHH.  I 
 installed the Noodle on a 9cm Tallux stem that's currently at its max 
 height (about 2 above saddle height). The noodle itself is setup in the 
 way described on Riv's page, with a pretty flat ramp extended by the brake 
 hoods.  On a 20 mile ride yesterday I found my shoulder blades feeling 
 tension, and found myself alternating between the ramps and the top of the 
 bar, with the hoods feeling like they were really a reach.  Am I describing 
 a typical feeling/riding experience on Noodles, or do I just have 
 proportions that may be better suited for the more upright riding style of 
 Albatrosses? It certainly seems like I shouldn't have to get used to a 
 bar before feeling comfortable, but am looking for your experienced input 
 on making a switch from upright to drops.  

 Thanks!
 Dave


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[RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Montclair BobbyB

This may get me tossed from this forum... so just to be clear, I am NOT 
advocating STEALING, I'm advocating STEELING!!  Thanks, Bill !!!
*(Which also makes me wonder... what DOES Grant do with all those orphaned 
carbon forks?)  *

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:31:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Save a lifeSTEEL a Carbon fork!

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[RBW] Re: Tips for using the Minoura Repair Stand?

Thanks, Zack! Head brushes do me in for a few days, so one that leaves a 
scar would do who knows what!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:19:37 AM UTC-6, Zack wrote:

 I clamp on the second top tube, right on the paint, and STILL i had 
 someone say to me that my bike looks way cleaner than Chris Chen's even 
 though I have had it for over three years.  Crushing blow.  

 My one tip: Mind the silver bar end shifters once you get the bike up on 
 the stand.  I have many a tiny head scar from bumping my head on those bad 
 boys while working on the bike.


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[RBW] FS: Fancy Quickbeam

2015-03-12 Thread Clayton.sf



Hi All,

 

Quickbeam for sale. A few small scratches here and there but no dents or 
major scrapes. 

Straight and true. Always stored inside, Framesavered. Parts are all very 
nice too.

 

Build List: 

62cm (c-t) Quickbeam, silver. Last Japanese run. I am 6” and it fits great.

Bars: Nitto Noodle 46cm

Stem: Nitto Dirt Drop 8cm

Brake Levers: Tiagra

Tape: Dark Purple Newbaums, shellacked and clean

Headset: Chris King Silver Threaded

Brakes: Campagnolo Cantilever (the best IMO) with new salmon pads

Front Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub laced with DB spokes to Head 
New Belgium rims

Rear Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub (fixed/Free laced with DB 
spokes to Head New Belgium rims

Tires: Compass Extra light Barlow Pass 38mm (lots of life left)

Crankset: Shimano 105 with Ultegra bb and 42t Ultegra rind will through in 
a 39t too

Pedals: Welgo MG1

Bottle Cages: King standard

New brake cables and housing

Seatpost: Nitto S83 shortened some but will be long enough as long as you 
ride the bicycle “riv sized”

Saddle: Brooks b.17 select,  extra tough, organic leather for high mileage 
cyclists. It also features our hand hammered copper rivets.

Chain: KMC KMC X10SL Super Lite Gold 10 Speed Chain

Freewheel: WhiteIndustries 18t trials

Fixed cog: Dura Ace 16t

Lockrings: Phil Wood

Fenders: Cream SKS Longboard

 

I think this is it. $1,600 picked up or delivered in San Francisco. Cash or 
Paypal

Shipping extra is extra and will be around $50. I ship with bikeflights and 
will charge you actual shipping.

 

Best,

Clayton Scott, San Francisco, CA

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[RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

Save a lifeSTEEL a Carbon fork!

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[RBW] Getting comfortable on the Noodle

2015-03-12 Thread Dave

Hey folks,

Looking for some advice on my newly installed 46cm Nitto Noodle (swapped 
out Albatross bars).  PBH of 84, a little over 5'8, riding a 57cm AHH.  I 
installed the Noodle on a 9cm Tallux stem that's currently at its max 
height (about 2 above saddle height). The noodle itself is setup in the 
way described on Riv's page, with a pretty flat ramp extended by the brake 
hoods.  On a 20 mile ride yesterday I found my shoulder blades feeling 
tension, and found myself alternating between the ramps and the top of the 
bar, with the hoods feeling like they were really a reach.  Am I describing 
a typical feeling/riding experience on Noodles, or do I just have 
proportions that may be better suited for the more upright riding style of 
Albatrosses? It certainly seems like I shouldn't have to get used to a 
bar before feeling comfortable, but am looking for your experienced input 
on making a switch from upright to drops.  

Thanks!
Dave

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-12 Thread Mark Reimer

I haven't, but also consider that so far as I can tell, the Nano is quite a
bit lighter of a tire weight-wise, comes without a wire bead (plus in my
books), and has a less aggressive tread than the smart sam (better on
pavement). It's a very popular tire in the tour divide. I love 'em. I also
have never ridden a smart sam though.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Anyone ridden both the Nano and the Smart Sam and can compare? I keep
 coming back to the three possible solutions being:

 -- Dream: Sam and AHH dedicated geared country bike
 -- Too much labor, not realistic: swap tires as needed (I know about wheel
 sets, but that also seems unlikely from those who have them, they just
 don't shift.
 -- Ride what I have now and it's a pretty good all round solution, with
 trail heavy emphasis: Hunqapillar and Smart Sams.

 Option three is the winner, at least until the dream can happen! Thank you
 all for helping me play with the possibilities. Now if only my brain would
 cooperate and I could ride instead of scheme. Sardonic grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Getting comfortable on the Noodle

2015-03-12 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch

If the hoods feel like a reach, maybe you need a shorter stem. I usually can 
tell right away if a bar setup will work for me. I ride noodles on my 63 
Hilsen, with a 10cm Technomic, a little above seat height, and it's perfect. 
I've ridden it thousands of miles. I got a 63cm Roadeo, set it up with a 10cm 
Tallux and Mark's bars and felt like you do, a little over reached for the 
hoods. I switched to a dirt drop stem which was much better but I had it 
slammed down so could not lower the bars. Finally found a 6cm Technomic and it 
is the ticket. The bike fits great now. I would give your current cockpit a 
couple more rides then maybe consider a stem switch. BTW, I prefer the Noodles 
to the Mark's Bar. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Whew... I feared we might see Resurrectio carbon ax handles... 


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:52:14 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  Swordfork fights
  
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 BobbyB
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 Subject: [RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!
  
 This may get me tossed from this forum... so just to be clear, I am NOT 
 advocating STEALING, I'm advocating STEELING!!  Thanks, Bill !!!
 (Which also makes me wonder... what DOES Grant do with all those orphaned 
 carbon forks?)  
  
 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:31:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
 Save a lifeSTEEL a Carbon fork!
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Re: [RBW] Getting comfortable on the Noodle

2015-03-12 Thread Eric Norris

Wow. Handlebar setup is such a person-specific issue, and it's very hard in my 
experience to transfer one rider's ideal setup to another rider. However, here 
are my thoughts (YMMV) ...

I've been more susceptible to hand/arm problems since my first PBP (done in 
2007 on a Quickbeam equipped with Noodle bars). I ride several bikes with 
slightly different bar/hood setups, and I've learned a few things that work for 
me:

-- I've stopped wearing padded gloves and started wearing thin, full-finger 
gloves--or no gloves at all. My hands seem to get tired faster when I'm 
grabbing onto a fatter bar/hood combo, and the padding in most cycling gloves 
makes this worse. 

-- I try to keep the overall diameter of what I'm holding onto as small as 
possible. I use regular padded tape, but no extra padding. My hands also feel 
more comfortable on older-style brake hoods (Campy Record, Mafac) that are 
narrower and easier to fit my hands around than newer models (Campy Ergopower).

-- While conventional wisdom suggests setting up a long, flat platform for my 
hands (extending the top of the bars with the brake hoods), I've found that a 
more traditional setup with the hoods lower than the tops of the bars works 
better for me. Here's a photo of my Motobecane, which is very comfortable to 
ride, compared with the 1939 Raleigh that Tommy Godwin used to set the world 
record for most miles ridden in a year: http://flic.kr/p/pVjx8c My new Alex 
Singer is set up much the same, and is working very well so far: 
http://flic.kr/p/qMeY3b

Give the Noodle bars a try, and don't be afraid to move things around. Keeping 
your hands happy is very important, and worth getting right.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On Mar 12, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Dave davele...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey folks,
 
 Looking for some advice on my newly installed 46cm Nitto Noodle (swapped out 
 Albatross bars).  PBH of 84, a little over 5'8, riding a 57cm AHH.  I 
 installed the Noodle on a 9cm Tallux stem that's currently at its max height 
 (about 2 above saddle height). The noodle itself is setup in the way 
 described on Riv's page, with a pretty flat ramp extended by the brake hoods. 
  On a 20 mile ride yesterday I found my shoulder blades feeling tension, and 
 found myself alternating between the ramps and the top of the bar, with the 
 hoods feeling like they were really a reach.  Am I describing a typical 
 feeling/riding experience on Noodles, or do I just have proportions that may 
 be better suited for the more upright riding style of Albatrosses? It 
 certainly seems like I shouldn't have to get used to a bar before feeling 
 comfortable, but am looking for your experienced input on making a switch 
 from upright to drops.  
 
 Thanks!
 Dave
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[RBW] Re: Getting comfortable on the Noodle

2015-03-12 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch

Always tough to peer through the computer screen to set up another guy's 
bike, but, some responses

- I dislike Noodles, and can't get comfortable on them.  Tried three times 
and punted.  I'm now transitioning pretty much all of the fleet to SOMA Hwy 
One, which design offers a couple of possible advantages for you, 
including, I believe, shorter ramps.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pbridge1300/16126988157/
- You're already set up far more upright and less reachy than I prefer, so 
I'm a bit surprised that you're having reach issues, but there it is.  Is 
your saddle flat?  If so, you may need to tilt it back a bit, nose up, to 
rotate your pelvis and center of gravity back.  How comfortable are you on 
your saddle in general? 
- How's your overall core and arm strength?
- Yes, cheap and easy answer, you sound like a candidate for upright bars.  
Doesn't sound like you use the drops anyway?  Might need to think about 
saddle as well, at least I need a wider saddle on an upright bike than I do 
on a drop bike. 
- Yes, you absolutely might have to get used to lots of things on a 
bike.  No matter how relaxed the position is, it isn't a La-Z-Boy 
recliner.  I make lots of small adjustments to my position over the course 
of a riding season, both to bars and to saddle.  Our bodies change, and on 
any given day we are more or less fit, we are more or less tired, etc.  

~pb


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 8:52:01 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote:

 Hey folks,

 Looking for some advice on my newly installed 46cm Nitto Noodle


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Re: [RBW] Getting comfortable on the Noodle

2015-03-12 Thread Scott Henry

With shoulder pain, are you sure the bars aren't too wide?
That is the first thing I thought of seeing you said 5'8 and a 46cm bar.

But yes, a shorter stem might help too.

For new bars, I usually try to wear gloves and forego tape for the
first week or so.   Lots of variables to try before setting things in
with the tape.

Good luck
Scott

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Dave davele...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey folks,

 Looking for some advice on my newly installed 46cm Nitto Noodle (swapped out
 Albatross bars).  PBH of 84, a little over 5'8, riding a 57cm AHH.  I
 installed the Noodle on a 9cm Tallux stem that's currently at its max height
 (about 2 above saddle height). The noodle itself is setup in the way
 described on Riv's page, with a pretty flat ramp extended by the brake
 hoods.  On a 20 mile ride yesterday I found my shoulder blades feeling
 tension, and found myself alternating between the ramps and the top of the
 bar, with the hoods feeling like they were really a reach.  Am I describing
 a typical feeling/riding experience on Noodles, or do I just have
 proportions that may be better suited for the more upright riding style of
 Albatrosses? It certainly seems like I shouldn't have to get used to a bar
 before feeling comfortable, but am looking for your experienced input on
 making a switch from upright to drops.

 Thanks!
 Dave

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fancy Quickbeam

2015-03-12 Thread Minh

Ah, always a twinge in my heart when i see a QB for sale (personally would 
be the last of my bikes i would sell), but happy to see them find a new 
home, plus 60 sizes do not come up that often for sale... and in the rarer 
silver color.

as a reference i'm also 6ft tall but i think mine is a 60cm with albatross 
bars.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Hi All,

  

 Quickbeam for sale. A few small scratches here and there but no dents or 
 major scrapes. 

 Straight and true. Always stored inside, Framesavered. Parts are all very 
 nice too.

  

 Build List: 

 62cm (c-t) Quickbeam, silver. Last Japanese run. I am 6” and it fits great.

 Bars: Nitto Noodle 46cm

 Stem: Nitto Dirt Drop 8cm

 Brake Levers: Tiagra

 Tape: Dark Purple Newbaums, shellacked and clean

 Headset: Chris King Silver Threaded

 Brakes: Campagnolo Cantilever (the best IMO) with new salmon pads

 Front Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub laced with DB spokes to Head 
 New Belgium rims

 Rear Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub (fixed/Free laced with DB 
 spokes to Head New Belgium rims

 Tires: Compass Extra light Barlow Pass 38mm (lots of life left)

 Crankset: Shimano 105 with Ultegra bb and 42t Ultegra rind will through in 
 a 39t too

 Pedals: Welgo MG1

 Bottle Cages: King standard

 New brake cables and housing

 Seatpost: Nitto S83 shortened some but will be long enough as long as you 
 ride the bicycle “riv sized”

 Saddle: Brooks b.17 select,  extra tough, organic leather for high 
 mileage cyclists. It also features our hand hammered copper rivets.

 Chain: KMC KMC X10SL Super Lite Gold 10 Speed Chain

 Freewheel: WhiteIndustries 18t trials

 Fixed cog: Dura Ace 16t

 Lockrings: Phil Wood

 Fenders: Cream SKS Longboard

  

 I think this is it. $1,600 picked up or delivered in San Francisco. Cash 
 or Paypal

 Shipping extra is extra and will be around $50. I ship with bikeflights 
 and will charge you actual shipping.

  

 Best,

 Clayton Scott, San Francisco, CA


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[RBW] Need help with this RBW niche item...

2015-03-12 Thread lungimsam

I see that there is a small niche interest among Rivsters for Specialized 
mountain bikes, certain ones that is, so I thought I'd ask you all about 
this, since I don't know from mountain bikes.

My sister is trying to sell her Specialized mountain bike and I am 
wondering what is reasonable to ask for it. I have no clue.
She bought it, rode it twice, and it has been sitting in her garage for 
years since.
Also, the tires look to be in good shape , but is it safe to ride tires 
this old? I don't know what year the bike was made but I would say its at 
least 10 years old. I have tried to research it online to no avail.
Thanks for any advice.
Here it is:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/16607861918/in/set-72157651301849962

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[RBW] Re: Getting comfortable on the Noodle

2015-03-12 Thread WETH

Dave,
There is much good advice here already.  My main bikes are a 58cm LHT with 
Albatross and a 56 Atlantis with noodles.  The Surly set up came first, and 
I had discovered a sweet spot up in the bends of the Albatross for comfort 
on longer and faster rides.  When I set up the noodles on the Atlantis, I 
took measurements first of the Surly with Albatross bars (bar height 
relative to saddle, distance to saddle, etc). I then set up the Atlantis so 
that the position of my hands on the brake hoods was the same distance to 
the bends on the Albatross bars.  To get the reach right, I used a dirt 
drop stem with the noodles. 
All the best,
Erl

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:53:52 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

 If the hoods feel like a reach, maybe you need a shorter stem. I usually 
 can tell right away if a bar setup will work for me. I ride noodles on my 
 63 Hilsen, with a 10cm Technomic, a little above seat height, and it's 
 perfect. I've ridden it thousands of miles. I got a 63cm Roadeo, set it up 
 with a 10cm Tallux and Mark's bars and felt like you do, a little over 
 reached for the hoods. I switched to a dirt drop stem which was much better 
 but I had it slammed down so could not lower the bars. Finally found a 6cm 
 Technomic and it is the ticket. The bike fits great now. I would give your 
 current cockpit a couple more rides then maybe consider a stem switch. BTW, 
 I prefer the Noodles to the Mark's Bar. 

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 9:44:54 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Anyone ridden both the Nano and the Smart Sam and can compare? I keep 
 coming back to the three possible solutions being:


 -- Too much labor, not realistic: swap tires as needed (I know about wheel 
 sets, but that also seems unlikely from those who have them, they just 
 don't shift.

 I think the Nano is much better than doesn't suck on the road.

I don't get that comment about wheel sets. I have multiple wheels for most 
of my bikes, and I just change from smooth to knobby depending on the ride. 
No problem, shifts the same.

jim m
wc ca 

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

Anyone ridden both the Nano and the Smart Sam and can compare? I keep 
coming back to the three possible solutions being:

-- Dream: Sam and AHH dedicated geared country bike
-- Too much labor, not realistic: swap tires as needed (I know about wheel 
sets, but that also seems unlikely from those who have them, they just 
don't shift.
-- Ride what I have now and it's a pretty good all round solution, with 
trail heavy emphasis: Hunqapillar and Smart Sams.

Option three is the winner, at least until the dream can happen! Thank you 
all for helping me play with the possibilities. Now if only my brain would 
cooperate and I could ride instead of scheme. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-12 Thread John

For this kind of riding around the SF Bay Area, Clement MSO's, WTB Nano's  
BG's Rock 'n' Roads (in order of increasing amounts of dirt traction) are 
popular, but I know only the Nano is available in the 2 inch range.

We did this kind of riding a lot as kids further south back where we had a 
lot more unpaved county roads, mostly covered in decomposed granite or 
hard, sandy dirt. We liked a slight tread that rode fast on the roads, and 
then you used your skills rather than tread on the horse  deer trails. But 
if I remember right, staging spectacular crashes into huckleberry bushes 
was probably the point of all this a lot of the time, and probably not what 
you're after.

Schwalbe Thunder Burts  Furious Freds might me more options for you in the 
2in - 29er range.

John

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[RBW] Re: Need help with this RBW niche item...

That bike is nothing special.  It most likely cost about $300 new. 
 Somewhere around half that would be fair to her and her buyer.  Less if 
you want to sell it fast.  More if you want to be patient.  

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 I see that there is a small niche interest among Rivsters for Specialized 
 mountain bikes, certain ones that is, so I thought I'd ask you all about 
 this, since I don't know from mountain bikes.

 My sister is trying to sell her Specialized mountain bike and I am 
 wondering what is reasonable to ask for it. I have no clue.
 She bought it, rode it twice, and it has been sitting in her garage for 
 years since.
 Also, the tires look to be in good shape , but is it safe to ride tires 
 this old? I don't know what year the bike was made but I would say its at 
 least 10 years old. I have tried to research it online to no avail.
 Thanks for any advice.
 Here it is:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/16607861918/in/set-72157651301849962


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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help with this RBW niche item...

2015-03-12 Thread Tim Gavin

Concur, nothing special. I think it's a '99 Hardrock, according to
Bikepedia.com
http://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/BikeSpecs.aspx?Year=1999Brand=SpecializedModel=HardrockType=bike,
about $290 new.

That said, it looks like a versatile, decent bike for getting around town.
It's a steel MTB with a rigid fork, so you can do a lot with it.

Tires and tubes this old should be OK if they hold air, but I'd caution the
buyer that they may need replaced soon. UV damage dries up old tires, but
these were stored indoors.

I'd price it around $150-$175 since it's in perfect condition, and take
$125 if the buyer is polite.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

That bike is nothing special. It most likely cost about $300 new.
Somewhere around half that would be fair to her and her buyer. Less if you
want to sell it fast. More if you want to be patient.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:47:16 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

I see that there is a small niche interest among Rivsters for Specialized
mountain bikes, certain ones that is, so I thought I'd ask you all about
this, since I don't know from mountain bikes.

My sister is trying to sell her Specialized mountain bike and I am
wondering what is reasonable to ask for it. I have no clue.
She bought it, rode it twice, and it has been sitting in her garage for
years since.
Also, the tires look to be in good shape , but is it safe to ride tires
this old? I don't know what year the bike was made but I would say its at
least 10 years old. I have tried to research it online to no avail.
Thanks for any advice.
Here it is:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/16607861918/in/
set-72157651301849962

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

Brilliant to hear your experience with Smart Sams v. Big Bens! Thank you. 
If I eventually go with a second wheel set (knowing it could be a prelude 
to a new bike), I want to get tires that are lush to ride. Compass would be 
ideal, but they don't go fatter, and I'd like fatter.

Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2? It's 
just above the max for the Hunqapillar. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:06:37 PM UTC-6, DS wrote:

 N+1 is always the answer! My personal experience of going down this path 
 went from having a Hunqapillar with 2 wheel sets (2.1 smart sams and 1.75 
 compass) to a Hunqapillar with 1 wheelset with big bens (looking for a 'do 
 everything' tire') to finally settling on keeping the Hunqapillar with 
 smart sams for trail heavy rides, and then getting a SH with 650 x 42 road 
 tires (fatty rumpkins at the moment) for road heavy rides. 

 Honestly though, i've never had an issue with the smart sams on the road, 
 and after experimenting I have to say I would rather have a grippy smart 
 sam tire that did ok on the roads and great on the trails, then big bens 
 which were more general purpose for every application.

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:15:52 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Worst case scenario is I end up with a wheel set for a Sam/AHH down the 
 road, aye? I will ponder the possibility. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:13:22 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 at least some owners found it was a burden to shift (swap) the wheel 
 sets.

 Well, those owners probably lack your fortitude. 

 jim m
 wc ca 



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[RBW] Re: My Riv inspired townie..

Studly steed!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-12 Thread DS

N+1 is always the answer! My personal experience of going down this path 
went from having a Hunqapillar with 2 wheel sets (2.1 smart sams and 1.75 
compass) to a Hunqapillar with 1 wheelset with big bens (looking for a 'do 
everything' tire') to finally settling on keeping the Hunqapillar with 
smart sams for trail heavy rides, and then getting a SH with 650 x 42 road 
tires (fatty rumpkins at the moment) for road heavy rides. 

Honestly though, i've never had an issue with the smart sams on the road, 
and after experimenting I have to say I would rather have a grippy smart 
sam tire that did ok on the roads and great on the trails, then big bens 
which were more general purpose for every application.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:15:52 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Worst case scenario is I end up with a wheel set for a Sam/AHH down the 
 road, aye? I will ponder the possibility. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:13:22 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 at least some owners found it was a burden to shift (swap) the wheel 
 sets.

 Well, those owners probably lack your fortitude. 

 jim m
 wc ca 



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RE: [RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-12 Thread Justin August

In real, crazy ideas... But this, re rake to low trail, paint and get a low 
trail SimpleOne!



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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm parallel 2TT Bombadil Raw F/F/HS +

2015-03-12 Thread Jeffrey Marco

Sold! Thanks for playing.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:

 So about a month ago I bought a beautiful parallel double top tube 
 Bombadil off the list from Dan McNamera.  You may remember the posting. 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/AHOeBQ9082w
 Anyhow, The bike is in immaculate condition and rides like a dream. Except 
 for one thing. It's too small. After enlisting the help of my wife I 
 finally got a true measurement of my PBH and it turns out it's 87cm, which 
 is right at the top end for this size.
 It works but it's not ideal for me. So I am going to sell this to fund my 
 dream bike. a 58cm Atlantis.


 F/F/HS + VO stainless fenders $1350
 add $300 for Rich built 650B wheelset/  (LX hubs 36h R 32h F laced to 
 Velocity Synergy)  
 Your choice of Pacenti Quasi-moto's or Schwalbe Big Ben's.

 Pm me off list if you have any questions.

 Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: FS: Fancy Quickbeam

2015-03-12 Thread Minh

Yeah, good point, pretty sure my center-to-center (toptube) is 58cm, so 
good reference for everyone else.  i also have a 56cm SH (orange one) that 
is 59 c-t-c to help those that are thinking about it.  

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:58:28 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Rivendell calls it a 62cm. Measured center to center it is a 60cm. ;-)

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:

 Ah, always a twinge in my heart when i see a QB for sale (personally 
 would be the last of my bikes i would sell), but happy to see them find a 
 new home, plus 60 sizes do not come up that often for sale... and in the 
 rarer silver color.

 as a reference i'm also 6ft tall but i think mine is a 60cm with 
 albatross bars.

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Hi All,

  

 Quickbeam for sale. A few small scratches here and there but no dents or 
 major scrapes. 

 Straight and true. Always stored inside, Framesavered. Parts are all 
 very nice too.

  

 Build List: 

 62cm (c-t) Quickbeam, silver. Last Japanese run. I am 6” and it fits 
 great.

 Bars: Nitto Noodle 46cm

 Stem: Nitto Dirt Drop 8cm

 Brake Levers: Tiagra

 Tape: Dark Purple Newbaums, shellacked and clean

 Headset: Chris King Silver Threaded

 Brakes: Campagnolo Cantilever (the best IMO) with new salmon pads

 Front Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub laced with DB spokes to 
 Head New Belgium rims

 Rear Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub (fixed/Free laced with DB 
 spokes to Head New Belgium rims

 Tires: Compass Extra light Barlow Pass 38mm (lots of life left)

 Crankset: Shimano 105 with Ultegra bb and 42t Ultegra rind will through 
 in a 39t too

 Pedals: Welgo MG1

 Bottle Cages: King standard

 New brake cables and housing

 Seatpost: Nitto S83 shortened some but will be long enough as long as 
 you ride the bicycle “riv sized”

 Saddle: Brooks b.17 select,  extra tough, organic leather for high 
 mileage cyclists. It also features our hand hammered copper rivets.

 Chain: KMC KMC X10SL Super Lite Gold 10 Speed Chain

 Freewheel: WhiteIndustries 18t trials

 Fixed cog: Dura Ace 16t

 Lockrings: Phil Wood

 Fenders: Cream SKS Longboard

  

 I think this is it. $1,600 picked up or delivered in San Francisco. Cash 
 or Paypal

 Shipping extra is extra and will be around $50. I ship with bikeflights 
 and will charge you actual shipping.

  

 Best,

 Clayton Scott, San Francisco, CA



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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

I should clarify they just don't shift didn't mean gears, but that at 
least some owners found it was a burden to shift (swap) the wheel sets.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:49:58 AM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 9:44:54 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Anyone ridden both the Nano and the Smart Sam and can compare? I keep 
 coming back to the three possible solutions being:


 -- Too much labor, not realistic: swap tires as needed (I know about 
 wheel sets, but that also seems unlikely from those who have them, they 
 just don't shift.

 I think the Nano is much better than doesn't suck on the road.

 I don't get that comment about wheel sets. I have multiple wheels for most 
 of my bikes, and I just change from smooth to knobby depending on the ride. 
 No problem, shifts the same.

 jim m
 wc ca 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Fancy Quickbeam

2015-03-12 Thread Clayton.sf

Rivendell calls it a 62cm. Measured center to center it is a 60cm. ;-)

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:41:29 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:

 Ah, always a twinge in my heart when i see a QB for sale (personally would 
 be the last of my bikes i would sell), but happy to see them find a new 
 home, plus 60 sizes do not come up that often for sale... and in the rarer 
 silver color.

 as a reference i'm also 6ft tall but i think mine is a 60cm with albatross 
 bars.

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:30:12 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Hi All,

  

 Quickbeam for sale. A few small scratches here and there but no dents or 
 major scrapes. 

 Straight and true. Always stored inside, Framesavered. Parts are all very 
 nice too.

  

 Build List: 

 62cm (c-t) Quickbeam, silver. Last Japanese run. I am 6” and it fits 
 great.

 Bars: Nitto Noodle 46cm

 Stem: Nitto Dirt Drop 8cm

 Brake Levers: Tiagra

 Tape: Dark Purple Newbaums, shellacked and clean

 Headset: Chris King Silver Threaded

 Brakes: Campagnolo Cantilever (the best IMO) with new salmon pads

 Front Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub laced with DB spokes to Head 
 New Belgium rims

 Rear Wheel: Phil Wood High Flange Track hub (fixed/Free laced with DB 
 spokes to Head New Belgium rims

 Tires: Compass Extra light Barlow Pass 38mm (lots of life left)

 Crankset: Shimano 105 with Ultegra bb and 42t Ultegra rind will through 
 in a 39t too

 Pedals: Welgo MG1

 Bottle Cages: King standard

 New brake cables and housing

 Seatpost: Nitto S83 shortened some but will be long enough as long as you 
 ride the bicycle “riv sized”

 Saddle: Brooks b.17 select,  extra tough, organic leather for high 
 mileage cyclists. It also features our hand hammered copper rivets.

 Chain: KMC KMC X10SL Super Lite Gold 10 Speed Chain

 Freewheel: WhiteIndustries 18t trials

 Fixed cog: Dura Ace 16t

 Lockrings: Phil Wood

 Fenders: Cream SKS Longboard

  

 I think this is it. $1,600 picked up or delivered in San Francisco. Cash 
 or Paypal

 Shipping extra is extra and will be around $50. I ship with bikeflights 
 and will charge you actual shipping.

  

 Best,

 Clayton Scott, San Francisco, CA



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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 at least some owners found it was a burden to shift (swap) the wheel sets.

 Well, those owners probably lack your fortitude. 

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-12 Thread Clayton.sf

If you can fit them take a look at Schwalbe Supermotos.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:15:52 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Worst case scenario is I end up with a wheel set for a Sam/AHH down the 
 road, aye? I will ponder the possibility. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:13:22 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 at least some owners found it was a burden to shift (swap) the wheel 
 sets.

 Well, those owners probably lack your fortitude. 

 jim m
 wc ca 



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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

Worst case scenario is I end up with a wheel set for a Sam/AHH down the 
road, aye? I will ponder the possibility. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:13:22 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 at least some owners found it was a burden to shift (swap) the wheel sets.

 Well, those owners probably lack your fortitude. 

 jim m
 wc ca 


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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-12 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

I like the dark green.  A lot. Reminds me of the old Bombadils.  

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 6:51:59 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I'm sure most of you check every day, but for those who missed it, there 
 are a few ClemSamples back from paint displayed on the BLUG.  Plan on 
 visiting Riv HQ next week and take a test ride!




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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-12 Thread David Banzer

Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
David
Chicago

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 I'm sure most of you check every day, but for those who missed it, there 
 are a few ClemSamples back from paint displayed on the BLUG.  Plan on 
 visiting Riv HQ next week and take a test ride!




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm parallel 2TT Bombadil Raw F/F/HS +

Fast sale! I love the raw clearcoat finishes. Good thing it wasn't my size!

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey.marc...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Sold! Thanks for playing.


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:

 So about a month ago I bought a beautiful parallel double top tube
 Bombadil off the list from Dan McNamera.  You may remember the posting.
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/AHOeBQ9082w
 Anyhow, The bike is in immaculate condition and rides like a dream.
 Except for one thing. It's too small. After enlisting the help of my wife I
 finally got a true measurement of my PBH and it turns out it's 87cm, which
 is right at the top end for this size.
 It works but it's not ideal for me. So I am going to sell this to fund my
 dream bike. a 58cm Atlantis.


 F/F/HS + VO stainless fenders $1350
 add $300 for Rich built 650B wheelset/  (LX hubs 36h R 32h F laced to
 Velocity Synergy)
 Your choice of Pacenti Quasi-moto's or Schwalbe Big Ben's.

 Pm me off list if you have any questions.

 Thanks!
 Jeff



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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

Good to know, Jim. Thank you!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:26:11 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 Spoke too soon. With further miles, they were found to stretch a bit:

 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/06/24/continental-race-king-2-2-tires-midterm-report/


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2? 
 It's just above the max for the Hunqapillar. 


 My experience with Conti's is that they run small. Here's a review of the 
 Race King that measured them at 2.02:

 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/04/12/continental-race-king-22-29er-tires-first-impressions/
  



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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-12 Thread 'velo59' via RBW Owners Bunch


Interesting head tube.  Looks like it might be investment cast.  Anybody 
know how they are made?

Jason Cloutier
Pawtucket, RI

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

I am a huge proponent of multiple wheelsets. I have two wheelsets on two
different bikes that I swap, and have zero problem shifting between them.
One set is disc brakes which is really easy (swapping between 700X40C and
650X50B). On the rim brake wheelsets, I just make sure the outside rim
width is the same on both (23mm) so I don't have to adjust brakes. Swapping
tires on the other hand just doesn't happen.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Good to know, Jim. Thank you!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:26:11 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 Spoke too soon. With further miles, they were found to stretch a bit:
 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/06/24/continental-race-
 king-2-2-tires-midterm-report/


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2?
 It's just above the max for the Hunqapillar.


 My experience with Conti's is that they run small. Here's a review of
 the Race King that measured them at 2.02:
 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/04/12/continental-race-
 king-22-29er-tires-first-impressions/

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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

Sorry for the update on an off topic post, but wanted to easily update all 
the wonderful, thoughtful folks who wrote me off group (and thank you!). I 
saw a behavioral optometrist. The prescribed regular and reading glasses 
using new lenses by Hoya and the difference is stunning. I picked up my new 
two pair of glasses today. It is pretty bloody weird being able to see, 
track things with my eyes rather than just my head, and not have my head 
hurt. So far I am stunned by how well this is going. I've already adjusted 
to them and see far better with more comfort and less strain than ever 
since 2002 and my 8th concussion.

Thank you all for you help getting here! Have I mentioned lately I love 
this group?!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm parallel 2TT Bombadil Raw F/F/HS +

2015-03-12 Thread Jeffrey Marco

I know right, The stars must have aligned. Now if someone would post a 58cm 
Atlantis for sale I'll be golden! The clear over raw is by far my favorite 
finish. It looks even better in person.




Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:

 So about a month ago I bought a beautiful parallel double top tube 
 Bombadil off the list from Dan McNamera.  You may remember the posting. 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/AHOeBQ9082w
 Anyhow, The bike is in immaculate condition and rides like a dream. Except 
 for one thing. It's too small. After enlisting the help of my wife I 
 finally got a true measurement of my PBH and it turns out it's 87cm, which 
 is right at the top end for this size.
 It works but it's not ideal for me. So I am going to sell this to fund my 
 dream bike. a 58cm Atlantis.


 F/F/HS + VO stainless fenders $1350
 add $300 for Rich built 650B wheelset/  (LX hubs 36h R 32h F laced to 
 Velocity Synergy)  
 Your choice of Pacenti Quasi-moto's or Schwalbe Big Ben's.

 Pm me off list if you have any questions.

 Thanks!
 Jeff





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Re: [RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

I've just left a frame and fork with Ed Litton for some braze-on work.  I 
was pleasantly surprised that he's only going to charge me $20 per 
braze-on.  I'm having 5 braze-ons put on the fork (which had none).  2 at 
the fork tips, 2 mid fork, and one under the crown for a fender.  So 
that'll be $100 on the fork, and I'll still have to go get it powdercoated. 
 At that price, the Simple One fork is a super bargain.  It features 6 
braze-ons, plus you get the rest of the fork for $5!  

Bill new-math Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 10:04:21 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Whew... I feared we might see Resurrectio carbon ax handles... 


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:52:14 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  Swordfork fights
  
 From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-...@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
 Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:50 AM
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!
  
 This may get me tossed from this forum... so just to be clear, I am NOT 
 advocating STEALING, I'm advocating STEELING!!  Thanks, Bill !!!
 (Which also makes me wonder... what DOES Grant do with all those orphaned 
 carbon forks?)  
  
 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:31:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
 Save a lifeSTEEL a Carbon fork!
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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2? It's 
 just above the max for the Hunqapillar. 


My experience with Conti's is that they run small. Here's a review of the 
Race King that measured them at 2.02:
http://twentynineinches.com/2009/04/12/continental-race-king-22-29er-tires-first-impressions/
 

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[RBW] frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-12 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean

Hi, all.

I've done a stupid thing and the upshot is that my kickstand plate on a 
Hillborne is separating from the stays. Does anyone here know who in the 
Chicagoland area (I live in the western suburbs; closer to me would 
obviously be great) would be able to remove/repair/replace my kickstand 
plate? Any ideas as to how much any of those options might cost? Any 
thoughts whether any re-painting of the frame could be limited to the 
kickstand plate area (plate, stays, BB shell)?

Fortunately, I can still ride the bike right now. But of course I'd rather 
have a healthy, hearty, hale Hillborne.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-12 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch

Possible option - cut it/grind it/remove it, touch up the paint so as to 
avoid a re-paint, and carry out the brazing work at some point down the 
road when you're actually ready for paint?  Assuming you're not ready for 
paint yet? 

Just an idea.

Under that model, it also shouldn't be necessary to disassemble the whole 
bike.  Plus general quickness.

~pb

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[RBW] Re: frame repair in Chicago

I don't know who the frame repair guys are in Chicago, but I'd guess that 
removing, repairing or replacing a kickstand plate would almost certainly 
be under $50.  That's assuming the obvious that you are going to hand the 
frame builder person a bare frame.  You will have taken everything off of 
it so he can do his work.  Once the repair is done, the paint will 
definitely be cooked in the vicinity.  Rattle-can it with primer before you 
rebuild it, and you'll be good to go. Or go get it powdercoated for about 
$150.  

Bill paying-for-multiple-braze-ons-right-now Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:37:15 PM UTC-7, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I've done a stupid thing and the upshot is that my kickstand plate on a 
 Hillborne is separating from the stays. Does anyone here know who in the 
 Chicagoland area (I live in the western suburbs; closer to me would 
 obviously be great) would be able to remove/repair/replace my kickstand 
 plate? Any ideas as to how much any of those options might cost? Any 
 thoughts whether any re-painting of the frame could be limited to the 
 kickstand plate area (plate, stays, BB shell)?

 Fortunately, I can still ride the bike right now. But of course I'd rather 
 have a healthy, hearty, hale Hillborne.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean


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Re: [RBW] frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-12 Thread Jason Hartman

What exactly happened?
Pictures would help explain too.
Do you use a kickstand?

If it was me, I would cut away as much of the kickstand plate as I could
with a hacksaw, Drexel, etc, and then grind/ file the remnants until there
was nothing left.  Hit it with some primer and touch up paint and get back
to riding. The chain stay bridge is not strictly necessary.

You can still use a kickstand by installing it the normal way, with the two
plates and that big bolt.

If you decide to get a full repaint at some point, you can decide to either
get a new bridge, or kickstand plate, or leave it alone.

Jay Hartman

On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I've done a stupid thing and the upshot is that my kickstand plate on a
 Hillborne is separating from the stays. Does anyone here know who in the
 Chicagoland area (I live in the western suburbs; closer to me would
 obviously be great) would be able to remove/repair/replace my kickstand
 plate? Any ideas as to how much any of those options might cost? Any
 thoughts whether any re-painting of the frame could be limited to the
 kickstand plate area (plate, stays, BB shell)?

 Fortunately, I can still ride the bike right now. But of course I'd rather
 have a healthy, hearty, hale Hillborne.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Spousal Conversion stories: they love biking after riding a Riv

2015-03-12 Thread Surlyprof

My wife is not the avid cyclist I wish she would be but she does love to do 
the grocery shopping and other errands by bike rather than car which is 
great.  The best I could do was to get her to finally ditch her aluminum 
Fuji (with shock forks and shock seat to dampen the harsh ride) for a 
Public mixte.  Even then it was only because it was discounted below $500.  
She was amazed at the difference a steel bike makes.  Overall, they are not 
bad bikes for what they are but I would love to get her on a Cheviot or 
Clementine or even a SOMA Buena Vista.  Not going to happen.  But, who am I 
to question her love of that (very) bright orange Public mixte?  As long 
as it makes for happy riding around the area, we'll get to share that time 
together and the hilly distance stuff will remain my zen time.  If I was 
to do that purchase over again, I would have tried to steer her toward 
Brooklyn Bikes.  I'm intrigued as to what influence Grant had on their 
designs.  That said, their matte black and red alternatives probably 
wouldn't get her to give up her happy orange Public.  To quote others on 
this discussion, the heart wants what it wants.

John



On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 My wife has yet to meet a bike she gets along well with, let alone one she 
 is passionate about. Hearing a few stories of spousal conversion from folks 
 here, I thought I’d ask for them explicitly, as my wife loves hearing them.

 What’s your story of a spouse who was less than excited about bicycling 
 until they hopped on a Rivendell?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Tips for using the Minoura Repair Stand?

2015-03-12 Thread Leslie

I don't have a lot of seatpost showing, so I was clamping on the toptube 
sometimes, but that doesn't work if adjusting the rear brake cable, so, I'd 
sometimes clamp on the seat tube.   Wish I hadn't:  the frame is fine, but, 
the seattube decal is a little bit marred because of it.:/Lesson 
learned. 



On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:30:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I guess I'm an outlier here.  Both my Saluki and Trek have the Carradice 
 SQR attached to the post, so there's no room for the stand to clamp there, 
 so I routinely clamp to the top tube with no ill effects.  I'd only worry 
 about decals; I don't think that stand would damage paint.

 Seconds on being careful with the legs and QR which holds them.  Other 
 than that I really like the stand.
 Michael

 On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 5:30:42 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I hear ya! I'm thinking I should have gotten it with the septets grabber. 
 That's now on the list.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 3:16:32 PM UTC-6, Clayton.sf wrote:

 Clamp the post and not the frame. 

 Use a new rag after working on a dirty bike.



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[RBW] Re: Go fast-ish tires on the Hillborne

2015-03-12 Thread Pondero

My experience is like so many others already provided.  I recently 
installed Barlow Pass extra lights on my Quickbeam fixed-wheel bike.  I 
needed to switch the rear cog to compensate for the additional speed.  My 
prior tire was just as wide, but these tires are noticeably more 
comfortable...and they have that delightful high pitched hum.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Tips for using the Minoura Repair Stand?

2015-03-12 Thread Garth


I too have always attached the clamp to the frame for decades without any 
ill effects .   Just use some sense, like don't over clamp with force, and 
if you're concerned with double butted tubes being too thin in the middle, 
clamp near the lugs instead.   A Hunqa frame has no concern about that . 


Parallel TT's make for a great place to clamp btw, as well as a great 
carrying handle ;) 

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Re: [RBW] Friday morning ride, Carlsbad

2015-03-12 Thread Jim Bronson

16-17 average is fast!  ;)

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Looking for someone to join me on 50-60 mile ride out of Carlsbad, CA
 tomorrow morning. Moderate pace 16-17mph.

 I'd like to start between 9-9:30. Contact me off list if interested and
 we'll work out details.

 Best,

 Joe

 Joe Bartoe
 Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
 email: j...@synapticcycles.com
 website: www.synapticcycles.com
 Twitter: @synapticcycles
 phone: 949-374-6079

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[RBW] Re: frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-12 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean

I definitely would be handing it to someone as a bare frame

Thanks for the guesstimates. Here's hoping it's in that ballpark!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

Spoke too soon. With further miles, they were found to stretch a bit:
http://twentynineinches.com/2009/06/24/continental-race-king-2-2-tires-midterm-report/


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2? It's 
 just above the max for the Hunqapillar. 


 My experience with Conti's is that they run small. Here's a review of the 
 Race King that measured them at 2.02:

 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/04/12/continental-race-king-22-29er-tires-first-impressions/
  


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[RBW] ClemSamples on the BLUG

I'm sure most of you check every day, but for those who missed it, there 
are a few ClemSamples back from paint displayed on the BLUG.  Plan on 
visiting Riv HQ next week and take a test ride!


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[RBW] Re: My Riv inspired townie..

2015-03-12 Thread Fullylugged

Just need some pine tar soap and maybe a hatchet on that work bench...

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:08:00 PM UTC-5, Chris in Redding, Ca. 
wrote:

 Hey All,
 I can not argue with other's opinion that I seem Riv inspired. Pics are 
 of my everyday ride. Sorry about the chaotic scene. But that's our garage.


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[RBW] Friday morning ride, Carlsbad

2015-03-12 Thread Joe Bartoe

Hi everyone,

Looking for someone to join me on 50-60 mile ride out of Carlsbad, CA tomorrow 
morning. Moderate pace 16-17mph.

I'd like to start between 9-9:30. Contact me off list if interested and we'll 
work out details.

Best,

Joe

Joe Bartoe
Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
email: j...@synapticcycles.com
website: www.synapticcycles.com
Twitter: @synapticcycles
phone: 949-374-6079   

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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG