date:20150313

Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread 'Jay B' via RBW Owners Bunch

Thanks, that's the plumpness!  but, holy camoly, you're right, that's a 
whole lotta grams to spin.   

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:42:48 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jay, these are the size you're looking for, but not sure about all that 
 mass you would be spinning around... 1125g is two tires worth of rubber!
 http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/super-moto-x


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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread iamkeith

I don't know about the water-bottle-behind-the-seat-tube idea.  I'm 
not particularly worried about this under normal circumstances (I know many 
people who will only use camelbacks when mountain biking, because of 
concerns about trail dirt and animal dung), but it seems like this is just 
asking for trouble.   Unless you have *really good* fenders (which might 
make it too tight and not an option anyway) then there's a pretty high 
likelihood of splashing contaminants from the road or trail right onto the 
valve that you drink out of.  Ick.

An everything cage for stuff could be pretty neat though.   Ideally, 
they'd add a third boss there, but that's a lot to ask considering how many 
braze-ons these appear to have already.  These are an AMAZING value, in 
that respect!!!  Might only  work on the 59, with skinny tires and no 
fenders, too.  

I think a pair of pump pegs on the back of the seat tube would be the 
ultimate winner, personally.

All-in-all, these are even more beautiful than I had expected.   Just, 
WOW!   I'm quite happy with my sight-unseen selection of dark blue, too!

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 10:26:29 AM UTC-6, Jay B wrote:

 +3 on all that useful space behind the seat tube!  a great place for a 
 water bottle or a Salsa Anything cage, and it frees up the main triangle 
 for a capacious frame bag.  

 and speaking of the massive tire clearances, are there any great for 
 nothing, good for everything 650b x 60mm tires out there?  perhaps 
 something like the available 650b x 50 Big Ben, but fatter?  

 i really like what RBW is doing here,
 Jay B.  

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 I was thinking the same about a second cage behind the seat tube. Maybe a 
 nice place for a tool roll or even a paleo sandwich. There's a Porcelain 
 Rocket/Rick Hunter long-wheelbase fat bike that has a custom behind 
 seat-tube bag.

 http://www.porcelainrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sandsledbefore2.jpg

 The colors are great, and white RBW on the headtube reinforcements is a 
 nice touch. 

 I'm digging the curved seat stays, too. A graceful curve to match the 
 fork. (Riv forks have such nice curves.)

 Enjoy the bikes!
 shoji

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:34:40 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:

 They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the 
 seat tube.  They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier on 
 the BLUG.

 The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.  

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
 David
 Chicago




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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

Keith, I'd rather my wife and daughters have the option of a second bottle 
cage and choose not to use it. As for contaminants, all kind soft solutions 
exist, including putting a cloth cover with elastic over the top of the 
bottle. I just wipe away the dirt and drink away. Of course most people 
think me insane anyway, so that's just more evidence. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 12:47:53 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:

 I don't know about the water-bottle-behind-the-seat-tube idea.  I'm 
 not particularly worried about this under normal circumstances (I know many 
 people who will only use camelbacks when mountain biking, because of 
 concerns about trail dirt and animal dung), but it seems like this is just 
 asking for trouble.   Unless you have *really good* fenders (which might 
 make it too tight and not an option anyway) then there's a pretty high 
 likelihood of splashing contaminants from the road or trail right onto the 
 valve that you drink out of.  Ick.

 An everything cage for stuff could be pretty neat though.   Ideally, 
 they'd add a third boss there, but that's a lot to ask considering how many 
 braze-ons these appear to have already.  These are an AMAZING value, in 
 that respect!!!  Might only  work on the 59, with skinny tires and no 
 fenders, too.  

 I think a pair of pump pegs on the back of the seat tube would be the 
 ultimate winner, personally.

 All-in-all, these are even more beautiful than I had expected.   Just, 
 WOW!   I'm quite happy with my sight-unseen selection of dark blue, too!

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 10:26:29 AM UTC-6, Jay B wrote:

 +3 on all that useful space behind the seat tube!  a great place for a 
 water bottle or a Salsa Anything cage, and it frees up the main triangle 
 for a capacious frame bag.  

 and speaking of the massive tire clearances, are there any great for 
 nothing, good for everything 650b x 60mm tires out there?  perhaps 
 something like the available 650b x 50 Big Ben, but fatter?  

 i really like what RBW is doing here,
 Jay B.  

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 I was thinking the same about a second cage behind the seat tube. Maybe 
 a nice place for a tool roll or even a paleo sandwich. There's a Porcelain 
 Rocket/Rick Hunter long-wheelbase fat bike that has a custom behind 
 seat-tube bag.

 http://www.porcelainrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sandsledbefore2.jpg

 The colors are great, and white RBW on the headtube reinforcements is 
 a nice touch. 

 I'm digging the curved seat stays, too. A graceful curve to match the 
 fork. (Riv forks have such nice curves.)

 Enjoy the bikes!
 shoji

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:34:40 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:

 They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the 
 seat tube.  They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier 
 on 
 the BLUG.

 The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.  

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daba...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
 David
 Chicago




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[RBW] Re: frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-13 Thread 'Steve' via RBW Owners Bunch

Others builders listed in Chicago are:
 
http://legacyframeworks.com/
http://www.methodbicycle.com/contact/
 
Also, a couple in Indiana, but probably farther than you want to go.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 6:37:15 PM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I've done a stupid thing and the upshot is that my kickstand plate on a 
 Hillborne is separating from the stays. Does anyone here know who in the 
 Chicagoland area (I live in the western suburbs; closer to me would 
 obviously be great) would be able to remove/repair/replace my kickstand 
 plate? Any ideas as to how much any of those options might cost? Any 
 thoughts whether any re-painting of the frame could be limited to the 
 kickstand plate area (plate, stays, BB shell)?

 Fortunately, I can still ride the bike right now. But of course I'd rather 
 have a healthy, hearty, hale Hillborne.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean


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[RBW] 2008 time machine

2015-03-13 Thread Bill Lindsay

When I bought my Hillborne in Fall of 2009, Keven handed me two Riv 
Readers, the late 2008 one and the early 2009 one.  I ran across them last 
night and flipped through them.  Included in these two issues were:

1.  Introductory article on the Bombadil and justification for the 2TT
2.  Introduction of kickstand plates
3.  Introduction of the Hillborne
4.  Introduction of an article by paleo guy Mark Sisson, and Grant 
beginning to think about it
5.  Calm you down article predicting that 650B likely will be viable. 
 Interview with Kirk Pacenti.  Kirk predicts that one or two big tire 
manufacturers will offer 650B reasonably soon


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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

The simple answer, Bobby, is yes. The world has been blurry for 4 years, as 
I experienced the world better without glasses because of a huge number of 
factors. These lenses appear to make it possible to both see clearly and 
not interfere with brain function. It's a new type of lens, and allows for 
natural eye movement, peripheral vision, and minimal light refraction. An 
amazing blessing so far. I rode for four hours this morning and it was 
wonderful seeing the world clearly, including the pits and ruts and 
washboard to avoid!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread drew beckmeyer

on the 46cm protovelo we have, there is absolutely no room for a water 
bottle on the back of the seat tube with or without a fender.

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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

I just talked with Mark at Riv. and he said he's pretty sure there will be 
a second set of bottle mounts on the upper part of the top tube, high 
enough to no interfere with step through. Putting the bosses on the back of 
the seat tube could limit fender clearance in some sizes, so they nixed 
that idea.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread lungimsam

They look great!

But I see they are built with heavy duty tubing. Why couldn't they make 
them with lighter tubing for less weight to get up them hills?

I would like to get a Riv one day for my wife to ride, if I can convince 
her. But I don't want to put anymore weight against her feet than 
necessary. She doesn't like hills and just likes her gentle rides to and 
from work.

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[RBW] Re: frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-13 Thread Matthew J

 Others builders listed in Chicago are:

At least when I reached out to them last Fall, those two builders said they 
were not able to take on repairs of third party bikes.  

Any how, appears to be a moot point now.

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:12:14 PM UTC-5, Steve wrote:

 Others builders listed in Chicago are:
  
 http://legacyframeworks.com/
 http://www.methodbicycle.com/contact/
  
 Also, a couple in Indiana, but probably farther than you want to go.

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 6:37:15 PM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I've done a stupid thing and the upshot is that my kickstand plate on a 
 Hillborne is separating from the stays. Does anyone here know who in the 
 Chicagoland area (I live in the western suburbs; closer to me would 
 obviously be great) would be able to remove/repair/replace my kickstand 
 plate? Any ideas as to how much any of those options might cost? Any 
 thoughts whether any re-painting of the frame could be limited to the 
 kickstand plate area (plate, stays, BB shell)?

 Fortunately, I can still ride the bike right now. But of course I'd 
 rather have a healthy, hearty, hale Hillborne.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean



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RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Tom Harrop

Nice! I can't wait for mine. Did I say mine? I meant my wife's...

One thing I haven't got my thick head around yet is the routing for the rear 
brake cable. We'll see soon enough when some build pics go up I guess, but I'm 
wondering what the trick is to get the cable from under the 'mixte stay' to a 
cable stop for a rear canti brake?

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I have this 1986 diamondback apex bike that im getting rid of. i always
wanted to do something with it since it has so much potential, but i never
got around to it. it measures 19.5in center to top, and the standover with
these smallish tires is 76cm. would be a great trail bike or loaded tourer.

Japanese made with double-butted tange mtb frame/fork/stays. partially
lugged, partially tig welded. it has a really cool extra spoke holder that
doubles as the chainstay protector. has the classic deerhead derailleurs
and front canti. rear wheel has a roller brake under the chainstay, which
is an odd design, but it works fine. shimano cranks with biopace rings.
braze ons for 2 water bottles, racks, midfork eyelets, fenders. 26 inch
original wheels.

frame is nice with hints of beausage in the regular places, ie. little
paint chips here and there. no dings or dents. components are used but in
good condition. this bike was never ridden all that much.

selling this with everything *except* brake levers/shifters/cables/saddle.
everything but the tires are original, including the stock blackburn mtn
rack.

i really don't know what a fair price is...not looking for all that much.
open to suggestions and offers. if interested, ask for some detailed
photographs. located in los angeles, and could potentially ship

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0artItXAvTw/VQNSHnHtGgI/AL4/R23t5xU5fCM/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-03-13%2Bat%2B2.07.07%2BPM.png

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r7rW9NwBEOw/VQNSAKQSoYI/ALw/gX1yTJSGaUI/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-03-13%2Bat%2B2.06.43%2BPM.png

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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Tom Harrop

Now now, what we are doing is considering, not worrying!

I recently had a canti epiphany so I would prefer them to Vs for the added 
fender clearance... but on the other hand if there are no nice 60 mm slicks 
in 584 I guess we'll go with something smaller anyway, so it's a non issue.

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RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

But once you get ‘em spinning…WHEE!

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Thanks, that's the plumpness!  but, holy camoly, you're right, that's a whole 
lotta grams to spin.

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:42:48 AM UTC-5, 
cyclot...@gmail.commailto:cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
Jay, these are the size you're looking for, but not sure about all that mass 
you would be spinning around... 1125g is two tires worth of rubber!
http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/super-moto-x
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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread ascpgh

Patrick, glad that better vision doesn't make experiences sensory overload!

Style points to you new doc.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

Here they are. I think they do a LOT to help my appearance. Grin.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16804007932/

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread David Banzer

Seatpost binder bolt mounted pulleys are the usual solution, both on older 
step-throughs for centerpull  and step-through MTBs with cantis from the 
'80s. I have a few stashed away for whatever projects might call for one.
David
Chicago

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 3:48:49 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:

 That's funny, I just called Walnut Creek to get the answer to that very 
 question, relative to my pre-ordered blue 52cm.  (Also funny because we're 
 all sitting here worrying about build issues for a frame we're not even 
 going to have for another 7 months at the earliest!)  I got Miesha, then 
 Will, who said it would probably require some sort of pulley arrangement, 
 but that V-brakes were really better for the Clementine for this reason, 
 and then (after a brief Will-Mark consultation) suggested I email Mark 
 because he might have an alternative approach.  Which I did, just now. 
  Will report back on whatever I learn. 

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 Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG 

 Nice! I can't wait for mine. Did I say mine? I meant my wife's... 

 One thing I haven't got my thick head around yet is the routing for the 
 rear brake cable. We'll see soon enough when some build pics go up I guess, 
 but I'm wondering what the trick is to get the cable from under the 'mixte 
 stay' to a cable stop for a rear canti brake? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

I hear you, George! Probably not, but then I shouldn't be doing anything I 
do with vertigo either. Grin. I have several advantages over your car ride 
on Pikes Peak. My vertigo is constant, as in my mind never has an idea 
where I am in space, so there aren't any surprises from it, the only issue 
is how well can I cut through it? That's where proprioception comes in. 
The only way I can run or ride a bike is by going barefoot or in minimalist 
shoes. The feedback from my feet tells by body where I am in space though 
by brain hasn't a clue. We all have this capacity, but most of us go around 
with blinders on our feet. Grin. God's engineering really is amazing!

Hopefully my next Pikes Peak attempt will reach above tree line. I wimped 
out at Glen Cove my first go.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:

 Deak - Bringing this OT thread a bit back On, if you suffer from vertigo 
 should you be taking bike trips up Pike's Peak?  I was uncomfortable almost 
 the entire time, especially above the tree line, and I was in a car.  I 
 can't imagine what it'd be like on a bike, especially on the descent with 
 those hairpin turns (hello good brakes!).


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 9:01:06 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Hoya single lens iD. My doc suggested I get separate reading glasses 
 because of how progressive lenses might interact with my brain and 
 particularly my vertigo.

 With abandon,
 Patrick



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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

Anyone who can put up with me gets style points! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:29:38 PM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:

 Patrick, glad that better vision doesn't make experiences sensory 
 overload! 

 Style points to you new doc. 

 Andy Cheatham 
 Pittsburgh 


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Re: [RBW] frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-13 Thread Tim McNamara

Owen Lloyd at Blue City Cycles (32nd  S. Halsted) can probably take care of 
this.

http://www.bluecitycycles.com/


I grew up in Elmhurst but don’t know any frame builders out that way (I’ve 
lived in Minnesota for decades), although quite frankly any decent welder 
should be able to reattach the kickstand plate for you.


 On Mar 13, 2015, at 2:12 PM, 'Steve' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Others builders listed in Chicago are:
  
 http://legacyframeworks.com/
 http://www.methodbicycle.com/contact/
  
 Also, a couple in Indiana, but probably farther than you want to go.
 
 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 6:37:15 PM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 I've done a stupid thing and the upshot is that my kickstand plate on a 
 Hillborne is separating from the stays. Does anyone here know who in the 
 Chicagoland area (I live in the western suburbs; closer to me would obviously 
 be great) would be able to remove/repair/replace my kickstand plate? Any 
 ideas as to how much any of those options might cost? Any thoughts whether 
 any re-painting of the frame could be limited to the kickstand plate area 
 (plate, stays, BB shell)?
 
 Fortunately, I can still ride the bike right now. But of course I'd rather 
 have a healthy, hearty, hale Hillborne.
 
 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread George Schick

Deak - Bringing this OT thread a bit back On, if you suffer from vertigo 
should you be taking bike trips up Pike's Peak?  I was uncomfortable almost 
the entire time, especially above the tree line, and I was in a car.  I 
can't imagine what it'd be like on a bike, especially on the descent with 
those hairpin turns (hello good brakes!).


On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 9:01:06 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Hoya single lens iD. My doc suggested I get separate reading glasses 
 because of how progressive lenses might interact with my brain and 
 particularly my vertigo.

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Evan E.

Looking good, Deacon!

Evan E.


On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:29:43 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Here they are. I think they do a LOT to help my appearance. Grin.
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16804007932/

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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[RBW] Re: frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-13 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean



Thanks to all for the suggestions. I get the impression that this job is 
too small (as defined by what I'm willing to pay) for it to be part of 
somebody's actual business. I think I will simply try to re-mount the 
kickstand retro style (with a plate above the chainstays and a long 
bolt). I may later try to remove the kickstand plate myself with a grinder 
if I think I can do it without totally trashing the frame. If/When I'm 
ready for a re-paint or develop some more important/extensive repair needs, 
I'll take the frame to its original manufacturer Waterford (less than two 
hours away).

Yours, 
Thomas Lynn Skean



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RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

That's funny, I just called Walnut Creek to get the answer to that very 
question, relative to my pre-ordered blue 52cm.  (Also funny because we're all 
sitting here worrying about build issues for a frame we're not even going to 
have for another 7 months at the earliest!)  I got Miesha, then Will, who said 
it would probably require some sort of pulley arrangement, but that V-brakes 
were really better for the Clementine for this reason, and then (after a brief 
Will-Mark consultation) suggested I email Mark because he might have an 
alternative approach.  Which I did, just now.  Will report back on whatever I 
learn.

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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Harrop
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:42 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

Nice! I can't wait for mine. Did I say mine? I meant my wife's...

One thing I haven't got my thick head around yet is the routing for the rear 
brake cable. We'll see soon enough when some build pics go up I guess, but I'm 
wondering what the trick is to get the cable from under the 'mixte stay' to a 
cable stop for a rear canti brake?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 03/13/2015 04:29 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Here they are. I think they do a LOT to help my appearance. Grin.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16804007932/



Not as much as these would do...


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 03/13/2015 10:31 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

I have an iPhone. It’s not hard to use.


I find touch screen phones virtually impossible to use in the only 
circumstance I care about (the only reason I have a cell phone, 
actually): outdoors in the sun, when somebody's had an emergency on a 
bike ride.  Bright sun on the screen and you can see absolutely bloody 
farking nothing.




“Complications” answering a call? Huh? It rings, and to answer I slide 
a big red button to the right across the screen. It even shows you 
which way to slide it. I’m mystified at how anyone could be confused 
by that.


Or how about this very common scenario: phone rings when you're riding.  
By the time you hear it and stop, it's gone to voice mail. Call voice 
mail -- if you can actually see the touch screen buttons, which in the 
bright sun is almost impossible -- and after it rings, it wants your 
PIN.  But, on my phone, by that time the GDMFSOB buttons are gone and 
there's nothing you can do to bring them back. So, I have to slide out 
the texting buttons, which are the size of grains of sand and which 
require a 3 button key press to get ther # sign in order to enter the PIN.


Complicated enough for you?  It certainly is for me.



Yes, a flip phone is easy to answer. But that’s about where its 
“benefits” end. My iPhone will do about a half million other things 
besides just being a phone. I can text my exact location to my wife, 
take photos, receive texts, check a map if I get lost … I could go on 
for days.


Almost none of which are things I would ever want to do with a phone on 
a bike ride.ALL I want of a phone on a bike ride is to be able to 
call 911 to get an ambulance, or contact a rider who has gone missing.  
Everything else I do at home, on a real computer, with a screen about 
two feet wide and a real full size keyboard that even clicks and feels 
just like one of the old IBM keyboards, and a fine mouse.  No squinting 
at sun washed out touch screen buttons or pinching around to try to get 
text large enough to see.  And no $1500 per year cell phone bills for 
the dubious privilege of being able to do on the road things I would 
never even want to do.


I still remember a chat I had with one of the first people at work to 
have the first Iphone.  We're waiting for service at the IT hardware 
desk and got chatting.  I ask her how she likes the phone. I LOVE it.  
Best phone I've ever had.  Best thing since sliced bread.  So I ask, 
how is it for voice calls?  It sucks.  Useless. I've given up on voice 
calls and just text all the time.  Silly me, I thought it was a phone, 
and all about voice calls...


And let's not even talk about form factor and weight.


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread cyclotourist

All you young kids with your fancy phones... in my day we wore an onion on
our belt, as it was the fashion then!

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

  On 03/13/2015 10:31 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

 I have an iPhone. It's not hard to use.


 I find touch screen phones virtually impossible to use in the only
 circumstance I care about (the only reason I have a cell phone, actually):
 outdoors in the sun, when somebody's had an emergency on a bike ride.
 Bright sun on the screen and you can see absolutely bloody farking nothing.


  Complications answering a call? Huh? It rings, and to answer I slide a
 big red button to the right across the screen. It even shows you which way
 to slide it. I'm mystified at how anyone could be confused by that.


 Or how about this very common scenario: phone rings when you're riding.
 By the time you hear it and stop, it's gone to voice mail.  Call voice mail
 -- if you can actually see the touch screen buttons, which in the bright
 sun is almost impossible -- and after it rings, it wants your PIN.  But, on
 my phone, by that time the GDMFSOB buttons are gone and there's nothing you
 can do to bring them back.  So, I have to slide out the texting buttons,
 which are the size of grains of sand and which require a 3 button key press
 to get ther # sign in order to enter the PIN.

 Complicated enough for you?  It certainly is for me.


  Yes, a flip phone is easy to answer. But that's about where its
 benefits end. My iPhone will do about a half million other things besides
 just being a phone. I can text my exact location to my wife, take photos,
 receive texts, check a map if I get lost ... I could go on for days.


 Almost none of which are things I would ever want to do with a phone on a
 bike ride.ALL I want of a phone on a bike ride is to be able to call
 911 to get an ambulance, or contact a rider who has gone missing.
 Everything else I do at home, on a real computer, with a screen about two
 feet wide and a real full size keyboard that even clicks and feels just
 like one of the old IBM keyboards, and a fine mouse.  No squinting at sun
 washed out touch screen buttons or pinching around to try to get text large
 enough to see.  And no $1500 per year cell phone bills for the dubious
 privilege of being able to do on the road things I would never even want to
 do.

 I still remember a chat I had with one of the first people at work to have
 the first Iphone.  We're waiting for service at the IT hardware desk and
 got chatting.  I ask her how she likes the phone.  I LOVE it.  Best phone
 I've ever had.  Best thing since sliced bread.  So I ask, how is it for
 voice calls?  It sucks.  Useless.  I've given up on voice calls and just
 text all the time.  Silly me, I thought it was a phone, and all about
 voice calls...

 And let's not even talk about form factor and weight.


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[RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread Don Compton

My horribly complicated Iphone allows me more freedom to ride my obsolete 
steel bike. And I favor my steel bikes most. 

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:52:47 AM UTC-7, Jay LePree wrote:

 Hi all:  
 I took my Rambouillet in for service to get it ready now that we are 
 getting a thaw here in Northern NJ.  The new owners of the Tenafly Bicycle 
 Workshop had not seen the bike before.  (I had been riding a Redline 
 Monocog set up for the street.) I brought the bike in and the owners had 
 the biggest smile on their faces.  There were a couple of customers in the 
 shop and they came over too.  Really nice complements on the bike. It is a 
 slow time in the shop and with the ice on the roads, I told the owners to 
 that they could take their time as I was riding the Monocog anyway.  For 
 the two weeks it was in the shop, I was told many of their other customers 
 did a double take when they saw the bike.  

 I think that with the increase in carbon fiber performance machines, the 
 Rivendell models really do stand out, perhaps more than when I purchased 
 the bike in 2003.  They are nice looking machines.  I am getting ready to 
 pull the trigger on another Rivthinking the Atlantis.  It would be a 
 good pairing, and I like the classic look.
 Best,
 Jay 
 Demarest, NJ


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread Eric Norris

I have an iPhone. It’s not hard to use.

“Complications” answering a call? Huh? It rings, and to answer I slide a big 
red button to the right across the screen. It even shows you which way to slide 
it. I’m mystified at how anyone could be confused by that.

Yes, a flip phone is easy to answer. But that’s about where its “benefits” end. 
My iPhone will do about a half million other things besides just being a phone. 
I can text my exact location to my wife, take photos, receive texts, check a 
map if I get lost … I could go on for days.

I love traditional steel bikes, and I love modern technology. No way would I go 
back to a flip phone!

—Eric N
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org
Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @campyonlyguy

 On Mar 13, 2015, at 4:00 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This post seems to be drifting away without response and I'm reluctant to see 
 that happen, so here goes:
 
 Within the past couple of months I have seen evening news segments containing 
 man-on-the-street interviews of people favoring those older style cell phones 
 that just flip open to be answered.  I suppose this is no surprise, given 
 the complications involved in answering some of the latest smart phones 
 or  iPhones currently on the market.  Then, just the other day, I saw a 
 news segment interviewing people who have a renewed interest in 
 run-of-the-mill typewriters (as opposed to software/printer based word 
 processing systems).  Enter this current and curious interest in nicely 
 painted, well-equipped steel bike frames and are we on the verge of yet 
 another retro (but practical and efficient) movement back to practical 
 cycling?  Only time and popularity will tell.
 
 And BTW, Grant featured at least one article in an older RivReader about the 
 benefits of the mechanical typewriter, which makes me wonder if he has not 
 been a prophet all along of the direction that some of these technological 
 advancements (including CF) would eventually take.
 
 
 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:52:47 AM UTC-5, Jay LePree wrote:
 Hi all:  
 I took my Rambouillet in for service to get it ready now that we are getting 
 a thaw here in Northern NJ.  The new owners of the Tenafly Bicycle Workshop 
 had not seen the bike before.  (I had been riding a Redline Monocog set up 
 for the street.) I brought the bike in and the owners had the biggest smile 
 on their faces.  There were a couple of customers in the shop and they came 
 over too.  Really nice complements on the bike. It is a slow time in the shop 
 and with the ice on the roads, I told the owners to that they could take 
 their time as I was riding the Monocog anyway.  For the two weeks it was in 
 the shop, I was told many of their other customers did a double take when 
 they saw the bike.  
 
 I think that with the increase in carbon fiber performance machines, the 
 Rivendell models really do stand out, perhaps more than when I purchased the 
 bike in 2003.  They are nice looking machines.  I am getting ready to pull 
 the trigger on another Rivthinking the Atlantis.  It would be a good 
 pairing, and I like the classic look.
 Best,
 Jay 
 Demarest, NJ
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

Steve, where you ride there is no shade? Takes me .02 seconds to fix your 
high tech problem to position my body between the sun and my iPhone.

With abandon,
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[RBW] 2008 time machine

2015-03-13 Thread lungimsam

I remember when I first started considering buying certain models of Riv, I saw 
that my size was in 650b. I thought Why is this guy messing with things?. I 
wanted 700c.

But I think both my Rivs look great with 650b, there's no toe overlap -even 
fendered, there are fantastic tires and wheels available now for any kind of 
riding you'de want, and I can go as wide or narrow as I want with tires. So I 
don't think I'd even want to go back to 700c anymore. Unless someone had a NIB 
54 blue Ram, of course.

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Re: [RBW] 2008 time machine

2015-03-13 Thread cyclotourist

Remember Rivendells that only had clearance for 28-32mm tires!
That seems like a BCE funerary object you would find in an Etruscan tomb!

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 *I also love that Riv has now been around long enough that there are eras.*

 Right? I remember the era when Riv style was an outlier in a sea of
 skinny tires and low bars. Now there's tall headtubes and fat tires
 everywhere, and 650B is a common mtb size!

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:35:20 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 Wow. The transition from what I sometimes call the Riv Classic era of
 ToyoRam and ToyoAtlantis to the current era. I simultaneous love both the
 classic era and what they have evolved into. I also love that Riv has now
 been around long enough that there are eras.



 Off to ride my 2TT albatross bar bike home now!



 -Jim W.

 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Lindsay
 Sent: Mar 13, 2015 10:48 AM
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] 2008 time machine

 When I bought my Hillborne in Fall of 2009, Keven handed me two Riv
 Readers, the late 2008 one and the early 2009 one.  I ran across them last
 night and flipped through them.  Included in these two issues were:

 1.  Introductory article on the Bombadil and justification for the 2TT
 2.  Introduction of kickstand plates
 3.  Introduction of the Hillborne
 4.  Introduction of an article by paleo guy Mark Sisson, and Grant
 beginning to think about it
 5.  Calm you down article predicting that 650B likely will be viable.
 Interview with Kirk Pacenti.  Kirk predicts that one or two big tire
 manufacturers will offer 650B reasonably soon


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[RBW] 61cm Atlantis on LA Craigslist

2015-03-13 Thread sameness

Ostensibly complete bike. Decent price if she rolls out the door in one 
piece. I am extrapolating the 61cm from C-C/C-T. No affiliation.

(Apologies if you are the seller. Getting good intel from you was like 
pulling teeth. Uncle.)

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/4925558875.html

From the seller:

Deoro Hub
 Nitto handlebar and water bottle cage.
 Brooks saddle. Tan.

 This bike is loaded and was $3600 when I got it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread RJM

I just got my first smartphone, an Iphone 5s, a few months ago. S much 
better than a flip phone which I was using prior. The GPS has already saved 
me on a ride and my wife can track my position if she gets worried, which 
she doesand that is just for starters. It's awesome. The functionality 
of a smartphone, especially the iphone, is top notch. Voicemail is easy to 
get to, not requiring any pin, but that may be different on android phones. 

Now with Rivs it's differentyou can have all the modern functionality 
you want with a riv if you choosejust build it up with modern 
components. Or just go oldschool, or just go thrifty or mix and match. 
Nothing weird on them. The beauty of a Riv is in it's versatility, 
ride...and, of course, headtube badges. 

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Re: [RBW] 2008 time machine

2015-03-13 Thread Joe Bernard

*I also love that Riv has now been around long enough that there are eras.*

Right? I remember the era when Riv style was an outlier in a sea of 
skinny tires and low bars. Now there's tall headtubes and fat tires 
everywhere, and 650B is a common mtb size!

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:35:20 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 Wow. The transition from what I sometimes call the Riv Classic era of 
 ToyoRam and ToyoAtlantis to the current era. I simultaneous love both the 
 classic era and what they have evolved into. I also love that Riv has now 
 been around long enough that there are eras.

  

 Off to ride my 2TT albatross bar bike home now!

  

 -Jim W.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Bill Lindsay 
 Sent: Mar 13, 2015 10:48 AM 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: [RBW] 2008 time machine 

 When I bought my Hillborne in Fall of 2009, Keven handed me two Riv 
 Readers, the late 2008 one and the early 2009 one.  I ran across them last 
 night and flipped through them.  Included in these two issues were: 

 1.  Introductory article on the Bombadil and justification for the 2TT
 2.  Introduction of kickstand plates
 3.  Introduction of the Hillborne
 4.  Introduction of an article by paleo guy Mark Sisson, and Grant 
 beginning to think about it
 5.  Calm you down article predicting that 650B likely will be viable. 
  Interview with Kirk Pacenti.  Kirk predicts that one or two big tire 
 manufacturers will offer 650B reasonably soon


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Re: [RBW] 2008 time machine

2015-03-13 Thread James Warren

-Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay Sent: Mar 13, 2015 10:48 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] 2008 time machine
When I bought my Hillborne in Fall of 2009, Keven handed me two Riv Readers, the late 2008 one and the early 2009 one. I ran across them last night and flipped through them. Included in these two issues were:

1. Introductory article on the Bombadil and justification for the 2TT
2. Introduction of kickstand plates
3. Introduction of the Hillborne
4. Introduction of an article by paleo guy Mark Sisson, and Grant beginning to think about it
5. Calm you down article predicting that 650B likely will be viable. Interview with Kirk Pacenti. Kirk predicts that one or two big tire manufacturers will offer 650B reasonably soon

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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread dougP

Cyclotourist has a Glorious in the family.  Maybe he'll comment on what 
kind of brakes  how they're rigged.  I occasionally see a Glorious around 
town and noticed it had Dura-Ace center pulls (how old are those??) but 
never noticed the actuation.  

dougP

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:

 Seatpost binder bolt mounted pulleys are the usual solution, both on older 
 step-throughs for centerpull  and step-through MTBs with cantis from the 
 '80s. I have a few stashed away for whatever projects might call for one.
 David
 Chicago

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 3:48:49 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:

 That's funny, I just called Walnut Creek to get the answer to that very 
 question, relative to my pre-ordered blue 52cm.  (Also funny because we're 
 all sitting here worrying about build issues for a frame we're not even 
 going to have for another 7 months at the earliest!)  I got Miesha, then 
 Will, who said it would probably require some sort of pulley arrangement, 
 but that V-brakes were really better for the Clementine for this reason, 
 and then (after a brief Will-Mark consultation) suggested I email Mark 
 because he might have an alternative approach.  Which I did, just now. 
  Will report back on whatever I learn. 

 -Original Message- 
 From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] 
 On Behalf Of Tom Harrop 
 Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:42 PM 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG 

 Nice! I can't wait for mine. Did I say mine? I meant my wife's... 

 One thing I haven't got my thick head around yet is the routing for the 
 rear brake cable. We'll see soon enough when some build pics go up I guess, 
 but I'm wondering what the trick is to get the cable from under the 'mixte 
 stay' to a cable stop for a rear canti brake? 

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[RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread George Schick

This post seems to be drifting away without response and I'm reluctant to 
see that happen, so here goes:

Within the past couple of months I have seen evening news segments 
containing man-on-the-street interviews of people favoring those older 
style cell phones that just flip open to be answered.  I suppose this is 
no surprise, given the complications involved in answering some of the 
latest smart phones or  iPhones currently on the market.  Then, just 
the other day, I saw a news segment interviewing people who have a renewed 
interest in run-of-the-mill typewriters (as opposed to software/printer 
based word processing systems).  Enter this current and curious interest in 
nicely painted, well-equipped steel bike frames and are we on the verge of 
yet another retro (but practical and efficient) movement back to practical 
cycling?  Only time and popularity will tell.

And BTW, Grant featured at least one article in an older RivReader about 
the benefits of the mechanical typewriter, which makes me wonder if he has 
not been a prophet all along of the direction that some of these 
technological advancements (including CF) would eventually take.


On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:52:47 AM UTC-5, Jay LePree wrote:

 Hi all:  
 I took my Rambouillet in for service to get it ready now that we are 
 getting a thaw here in Northern NJ.  The new owners of the Tenafly Bicycle 
 Workshop had not seen the bike before.  (I had been riding a Redline 
 Monocog set up for the street.) I brought the bike in and the owners had 
 the biggest smile on their faces.  There were a couple of customers in the 
 shop and they came over too.  Really nice complements on the bike. It is a 
 slow time in the shop and with the ice on the roads, I told the owners to 
 that they could take their time as I was riding the Monocog anyway.  For 
 the two weeks it was in the shop, I was told many of their other customers 
 did a double take when they saw the bike.  

 I think that with the increase in carbon fiber performance machines, the 
 Rivendell models really do stand out, perhaps more than when I purchased 
 the bike in 2003.  They are nice looking machines.  I am getting ready to 
 pull the trigger on another Rivthinking the Atlantis.  It would be a 
 good pairing, and I like the classic look.
 Best,
 Jay 
 Demarest, NJ


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Re: [RBW] 2008 time machine

2015-03-13 Thread James Warren

Wow. The transition from what I sometimes call the "Riv Classic" era of ToyoRam and ToyoAtlantis to the current era. I simultaneous love both the classic era and what they have evolved into. I also love that Riv has now been around long enough that there are eras.

Off to ride my 2TT albatross bar bike home now!

-Jim W.
-Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay Sent: Mar 13, 2015 10:48 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] 2008 time machine
When I bought my Hillborne in Fall of 2009, Keven handed me two Riv Readers, the late 2008 one and the early 2009 one. I ran across them last night and flipped through them. Included in these two issues were:

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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread James Warren

Here's a good reason for more water bottle holders on a good "town" bike: If you're shopping, it's sometimes nice to have a bottle cage for a newly purchased bottle of something you got at the store. If the bottle's the right size, the cages can hold "non-athletic" drink containers. Seems fitting for a town bike. Better for a town bike that will be ready for "dirt sport" action like the Clem.
-Original Message- From: Tim Gavin Sent: Mar 13, 2015 8:34 AM To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the seat tube. They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier on the BLUG.The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daban...@gmail.com wrote:

Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.DavidChicago
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[RBW] Re: The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread Deacon Patrick

That's awesome, Jay! You've got some good owners there to recognize that. 
The shops around here (especially the one I can bike to without risking 
life and limb climbing back up the canyon pass without a shoulder and a lot 
of insane drivers) scratch their heads. Really? That's NEW? They still 
make those? Yes. They do. Grant and Co. are they. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

I have a Wilbury – no problem there, the rear brake is mounted on the midstay 
bridge, so the cable run is straight to the brake straddle cable.  (For 
centerpulls; for sidepulls I think you can just install the cable upside down, 
no straddle required.)  On the Clemmie-girl, the canti posts are up near the 
seat stay bridge, but the cable runs along the upper downtube, which meets the 
seat tube very low, well below the seat stay bridge – hence the need to figure 
out the cable run without a kink-inducing sharp turn downward.  Something like 
that.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dougP
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:19 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

Cyclotourist has a Glorious in the family.  Maybe he'll comment on what kind of 
brakes  how they're rigged.  I occasionally see a Glorious around town and 
noticed it had Dura-Ace center pulls (how old are those??) but never noticed 
the actuation.

dougP

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
Seatpost binder bolt mounted pulleys are the usual solution, both on older 
step-throughs for centerpull  and step-through MTBs with cantis from the '80s. 
I have a few stashed away for whatever projects might call for one.
David
Chicago

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 3:48:49 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
That's funny, I just called Walnut Creek to get the answer to that very 
question, relative to my pre-ordered blue 52cm.  (Also funny because we're all 
sitting here worrying about build issues for a frame we're not even going to 
have for another 7 months at the earliest!)  I got Miesha, then Will, who said 
it would probably require some sort of pulley arrangement, but that V-brakes 
were really better for the Clementine for this reason, and then (after a brief 
Will-Mark consultation) suggested I email Mark because he might have an 
alternative approach.  Which I did, just now.  Will report back on whatever I 
learn.

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Harrop
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:42 PM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

Nice! I can't wait for mine. Did I say mine? I meant my wife's...

One thing I haven't got my thick head around yet is the routing for the rear 
brake cable. We'll see soon enough when some build pics go up I guess, but I'm 
wondering what the trick is to get the cable from under the 'mixte stay' to a 
cable stop for a rear canti brake?

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[RBW] Re: BUMP: Blue 58 cm Ram for sale, lower price: $1,200.00

2015-03-13 Thread Andy.M

any possibility that you can wash it in hot water, throw it in the dryer 
and shrink it down a few sizes??? i had to let go of a 56 that I finally 
came to terms with it being too big...  Great bike though!
-Andy

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:40:41 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I am the 3d owner of the frame, and while it has a few little dents and 
 nicks, overall it's quite good. 

 The tt has 2 or 3 slight dents that I find hard to photograph; let's say 
 that you can sense them by touch but it's hard to see them, at least for my 
 caratact-corrected eyes.

 The right chainstay just aft of the bb shell has been scuffed and touched 
 up.

 Photo attached; additional photos available upon request.

 Geometry available here: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html

 Shipping: I will have it packed professionally ($50) and shipped UPS, 
 fully insured.

 Build: 

 Wheels:
 Open Pro, SP V8 front, Ultegra 9 sp rear, 32 X DB stainless steel spokes.
 Challenge Parigi Roubaix Tires -- much life left, but front and rear each 
 have a small cut at right angles to the tread; don't go to casing and 
 filled with Shoe Goo.*  1 almost new pair of the same tires included.*
 Tubes filled with Stan's -- make these delicate tires viable in goathead 
 country without affecting ride.
 Allen key skewers, tho' I may swap the QRs back in

 Crankset: Dura Ace 7410, 52/38 Sugino rings
 BB: 103 mm Phil, steel

 Pedals: almost new Shimano M540s or pair of older Look Keo Pluses, no 
 cleats.

 Cassette: it's a home brew 16-26 9 speed but I can change that. Note that 
 any cassette will be home-built. 88 to 39.

 Derailleurs: Dura Ace 7400. I gouged the rear slightly with a Dremel and 
 polished the damage so that it doesn't look bad. Will photograph. *I can 
 substitute a long-cage, 8-sp era XT, VG.*

 KMC (I think) 9 sp chain

 Shifters: Silver down tube

 Seatpost: Nitto Jaguar

 Saddle: *NONE*

 Stem: Nitto I-Beam, 9 cm

 Bar: Noodle, 42 cm

 Headset: Ultegra

 Brake levers: Shimano Aero

 Brakes: Shimano normal reach dual pivot

 Brass bell

 Cyo N headlamp

 Tubus Fly rear rack

 Toplight rack mount rear light

 2X Iris bottle cages

 Unmounted, still in package pair of 40 mm SKS Longboards, grey

 Second pair of  Challenge Parigi Roubaix, bought from friend with only 100 
 miles or so on them.

 Various spare tubes

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Re: [RBW] Friday morning ride, Carlsbad

2015-03-13 Thread lungimsam

Real fast!

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RE: [RBW] Friday morning ride, Carlsbad

2015-03-13 Thread Joe Bartoe

Maybe I should have mentioned that we'll be riding on the road only, no mixed 
terrain?

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 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:41:03 -0700
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 Subject: Re: [RBW] Friday morning ride, Carlsbad
 
 Real fast!
 
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[RBW] Re: Widest fender for 20 wheel?

2015-03-13 Thread Takashi

Cody at Woody's Fenders would make such fenders for you.
http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/

But they are much more expensive than most fenders.
Also they are thicker than plastic / metal fenders, so it's possible that 
you don't have enough clearance.

Takashi


2015年3月13日金曜日 10時34分33秒 UTC+9 Anton Tutter:

 I'll be taking delivery of a Bike Friday Hauladay cargo bike shortly and 
 will need to outfit it with fenders.  Here's the deal:  the bike will come 
 stock with 20x1.75 tires.  I will want to immediately upgrade them to 
 20x2.0 Schwalbe Big Apples, or if the frame will fit even larger ones, 
 20x2.125 Schwalbe Big Bens.  The problem is going to be sourcing fenders 
 that fit.  Both Planet Bike and SKS make fenders for 20 wheels, but the 
 widths limit them for use with 1.75 wide tires.  The Planet Bike fenders 
 are 50mm wide (and I have these on another 20 wheeled bike with 20x1.75 
 tires, and it's a very tight fit).  The SKS fenders are 55mm wide.  

 I'm considering trying some VO stainless 60mm fenders for 26 wheels and 
 re-radiusing them for 20 wheels, which will widen them significantly, but 
 I've only ever done this for using 700C fenders on 650B applications, where 
 the delta radius was only about an inch, and it's very easy. But going from 
 26 to 20 would require a delta radius of around 3! 

 Does anyone know of any wider fenders that will work with 55 and even 60mm 
 wide 20 tires?


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[RBW] The Rambouillet and Rivendell Models....better with age

2015-03-13 Thread Jay LePree

Hi all:  
I took my Rambouillet in for service to get it ready now that we are 
getting a thaw here in Northern NJ.  The new owners of the Tenafly Bicycle 
Workshop had not seen the bike before.  (I had been riding a Redline 
Monocog set up for the street.) I brought the bike in and the owners had 
the biggest smile on their faces.  There were a couple of customers in the 
shop and they came over too.  Really nice complements on the bike. It is a 
slow time in the shop and with the ice on the roads, I told the owners to 
that they could take their time as I was riding the Monocog anyway.  For 
the two weeks it was in the shop, I was told many of their other customers 
did a double take when they saw the bike.  

I think that with the increase in carbon fiber performance machines, the 
Rivendell models really do stand out, perhaps more than when I purchased 
the bike in 2003.  They are nice looking machines.  I am getting ready to 
pull the trigger on another Rivthinking the Atlantis.  It would be a 
good pairing, and I like the classic look.
Best,
Jay 
Demarest, NJ

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[RBW] FS Phil wood rivy rear wheel plus plus

2015-03-13 Thread Trevor saxton

Bump price reduced to $475...will also sell front hub and rim separately 150 
for hub 75 for rim, that includes shipping...$200 for both including shipping. 

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Re: [RBW] Friday morning ride, Carlsbad

2015-03-13 Thread Jim Bronson

That's still fast, unless I'm drafting the whole time, then I can keep up.

Wind resistance seems to be an issue for me :)

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Maybe I should have mentioned that we'll be riding on the road only, no
 mixed terrain?[image: Emoji]

 Joe Bartoe
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  Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:41:03 -0700
  From: john11.2...@gmail.com
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Friday morning ride, Carlsbad

 
  Real fast!
 
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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-13 Thread Jim Bronson

Do you use the same hubs when you are using multiple wheelsets on the same
bike?  Seems like if you didn't, you might have to make minor rear derailer
adjustments when you switched.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:52 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I am a huge proponent of multiple wheelsets. I have two wheelsets on two
 different bikes that I swap, and have zero problem shifting between them.
 One set is disc brakes which is really easy (swapping between 700X40C and
 650X50B). On the rim brake wheelsets, I just make sure the outside rim
 width is the same on both (23mm) so I don't have to adjust brakes. Swapping
 tires on the other hand just doesn't happen.

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com
 wrote:

 Good to know, Jim. Thank you!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:26:11 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 Spoke too soon. With further miles, they were found to stretch a bit:
 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/06/24/continental-race-
 king-2-2-tires-midterm-report/


 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2?
 It's just above the max for the Hunqapillar.


 My experience with Conti's is that they run small. Here's a review of
 the Race King that measured them at 2.02:
 http://twentynineinches.com/2009/04/12/continental-race-
 king-22-29er-tires-first-impressions/

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[RBW] Re: Widest fender for 20 wheel?

2015-03-13 Thread Anton Tutter

Whoa, those are nice!  And they make them in a 2.5 version!  Alas, way out 
of my budget at this point...

Anton


On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 6:04:40 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:

 Cody at Woody's Fenders would make such fenders for you.
 http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/

 But they are much more expensive than most fenders.
 Also they are thicker than plastic / metal fenders, so it's possible that 
 you don't have enough clearance.

 Takashi


 2015年3月13日金曜日 10時34分33秒 UTC+9 Anton Tutter:

 I'll be taking delivery of a Bike Friday Hauladay cargo bike shortly and 
 will need to outfit it with fenders.  Here's the deal:  the bike will come 
 stock with 20x1.75 tires.  I will want to immediately upgrade them to 
 20x2.0 Schwalbe Big Apples, or if the frame will fit even larger ones, 
 20x2.125 Schwalbe Big Bens.  The problem is going to be sourcing fenders 
 that fit.  Both Planet Bike and SKS make fenders for 20 wheels, but the 
 widths limit them for use with 1.75 wide tires.  The Planet Bike fenders 
 are 50mm wide (and I have these on another 20 wheeled bike with 20x1.75 
 tires, and it's a very tight fit).  The SKS fenders are 55mm wide.  

 I'm considering trying some VO stainless 60mm fenders for 26 wheels and 
 re-radiusing them for 20 wheels, which will widen them significantly, but 
 I've only ever done this for using 700C fenders on 650B applications, where 
 the delta radius was only about an inch, and it's very easy. But going from 
 26 to 20 would require a delta radius of around 3! 

 Does anyone know of any wider fenders that will work with 55 and even 
 60mm wide 20 tires?



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RE: [RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Big smile here, Patrick.  Congratulations!

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Deacon Patrick
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

Sorry for the update on an off topic post, but wanted to easily update all the 
wonderful, thoughtful folks who wrote me off group (and thank you!). I saw a 
behavioral optometrist. The prescribed regular and reading glasses using new 
lenses by Hoya and the difference is stunning. I picked up my new two pair of 
glasses today. It is pretty bloody weird being able to see, track things with 
my eyes rather than just my head, and not have my head hurt. So far I am 
stunned by how well this is going. I've already adjusted to them and see far 
better with more comfort and less strain than ever since 2002 and my 8th 
concussion.

Thank you all for you help getting here! Have I mentioned lately I love this 
group?!

With abandon,
Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Spring thaw...for real?!?!?!

2015-03-13 Thread Matthew J

Potholes and litter appearing in massive quantities as the snow melts above 
it are all around us here in Chicago.

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[RBW] Re: frame repair in Chicago

2015-03-13 Thread Matthew J

Custom frame builder on the south side d/b/a: Humble Frameworks 
http://www.humbleframeworks.cc/ says he does repairs.  Heard good things 
about his work.

Caveat: I reached out to the builder about some revisions I wanted on one 
of my frames.  Initially he was enthusiastic and seemed ready to assist. 
 But then we lost contact and I wound up making arrangements with Bilnkey. 
  Humble was in the process of setting up a website at the time.  Now that 
it is online he may have things better coordinated.  Can't hurt to call.


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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-13 Thread Scott Henry

Mike,
Thanks for passing on the Hunter Nugz link!
http://huntercycles.bigcartel.com/product/hunter-nugz
Amazing, its one of those I cant believe that I didn't garage-make
something like that. I think I might make one this weekend. No
Paul brakes in the house, but that wont stop me.

Scott

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Mike Schiller
mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
with Paul Canti's you can add Hunter Nugz
http://huntercycles.bigcartel.com/product/hunter-nugz . They make it easy
to adjust for different rim widths.
I have them on my Bantam that will have ( eventually) two wheelsets. Fat
roadies and fatter knobbies.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14522976996/in/set-72157642985369584

~mike
Carlsbad Ca

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:52:47 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

I am a huge proponent of multiple wheelsets. I have two wheelsets on two
different bikes that I swap, and have zero problem shifting between them.
One set is disc brakes which is really easy (swapping between 700X40C and
650X50B). On the rim brake wheelsets, I just make sure the outside rim width
is the same on both (23mm) so I don't have to adjust brakes. Swapping tires
on the other hand just doesn't happen.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:

Good to know, Jim. Thank you!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 5:26:11 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

Spoke too soon. With further miles, they were found to stretch a bit:

http://twentynineinches.com/2009/06/24/continental-race-king-2-2-tires-midterm-report/

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 2:16:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Anyone know the actual width of Continental's Speed King 29 x 2.2?
It's just above the max for the Hunqapillar.

My experience with Conti's is that they run small. Here's a review of
the Race King that measured them at 2.02:

http://twentynineinches.com/2009/04/12/continental-race-king-22-29er-tires-first-impressions/

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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Tim Gavin

They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the seat
tube.  They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier on the
BLUG.

The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daban...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
 David
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[RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Montclair BobbyB

*Oh my darlin, OH my darlin*...  I ordered a 59' Clementine in orange... oh 
mercy she is beautiful... Got a slow and meticulous build plan racing 
through my head...  Oh the accessories that will be required... wow.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 7:51:59 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I'm sure most of you check every day, but for those who missed it, there 
 are a few ClemSamples back from paint displayed on the BLUG.  Plan on 
 visiting Riv HQ next week and take a test ride!




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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread WETH

Patrick,
That is wonderful news.  And, I couldn't agree more about the nature of 
folks in this group!

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 9:00:22 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Sorry for the update on an off topic post, but wanted to easily update all 
 the wonderful, thoughtful folks who wrote me off group (and thank you!). I 
 saw a behavioral optometrist. The prescribed regular and reading glasses 
 using new lenses by Hoya and the difference is stunning. I picked up my new 
 two pair of glasses today. It is pretty bloody weird being able to see, 
 track things with my eyes rather than just my head, and not have my head 
 hurt. So far I am stunned by how well this is going. I've already adjusted 
 to them and see far better with more comfort and less strain than ever 
 since 2002 and my 8th concussion.

 Thank you all for you help getting here! Have I mentioned lately I love 
 this group?!

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Way OT: Is there an Eye Doctor in the House?

2015-03-13 Thread Montclair BobbyB

So you mean you've been able to do ALL that you do, despite limited vision? 
 

Wow, can't wait for the NEXT trail report... Safe riding, Patrick.   

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 9:00:22 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Sorry for the update on an off topic post, but wanted to easily update all 
 the wonderful, thoughtful folks who wrote me off group (and thank you!). I 
 saw a behavioral optometrist. The prescribed regular and reading glasses 
 using new lenses by Hoya and the difference is stunning. I picked up my new 
 two pair of glasses today. It is pretty bloody weird being able to see, 
 track things with my eyes rather than just my head, and not have my head 
 hurt. So far I am stunned by how well this is going. I've already adjusted 
 to them and see far better with more comfort and less strain than ever 
 since 2002 and my 8th concussion.

 Thank you all for you help getting here! Have I mentioned lately I love 
 this group?!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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[RBW] Re: Minor MINDBLOWN : More Riv forks! and affordable!

2015-03-13 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Hopefully no lawyer lips on those drops... Funny!! 

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 12:34:43 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:

 Has anyone checked the bathroom?

 [image: Tp]



 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 8:49:40 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 This may get me tossed from this forum... so just to be clear, I am NOT 
 advocating STEALING, I'm advocating STEELING!!  Thanks, Bill !!!
 *(Which also makes me wonder... what DOES Grant do with all those 
 orphaned carbon forks?)  *

 On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:31:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Save a lifeSTEEL a Carbon fork!



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm parallel 2TT Bombadil Raw F/F/HS +

2015-03-13 Thread Jeffrey Marco

Thanks Dan! No worries, It's actually headed to San Fran so maybe you'll 
see it around. I have a line one. We'll see what happens.

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 11:19:44 PM UTC-4, danmc wrote:

 That build looks great Jeff! Too bad it was a little too small for you. I 
 am sure the 58 Atlantis will show up. 

 Dan



 On Mar 12, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I know right, The stars must have aligned. Now if someone would post a 
 58cm Atlantis for sale I'll be golden! The clear over raw is by far my 
 favorite finish. It looks even better in person.




 Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey Marco wrote:

 So about a month ago I bought a beautiful parallel double top tube 
 Bombadil off the list from Dan McNamera.  You may remember the posting. 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/AHOeBQ9082w
 Anyhow, The bike is in immaculate condition and rides like a dream. 
 Except for one thing. It's too small. After enlisting the help of my wife I 
 finally got a true measurement of my PBH and it turns out it's 87cm, which 
 is right at the top end for this size.
 It works but it's not ideal for me. So I am going to sell this to fund my 
 dream bike. a 58cm Atlantis.


 F/F/HS + VO stainless fenders $1350
 add $300 for Rich built 650B wheelset/  (LX hubs 36h R 32h F laced to 
 Velocity Synergy)  
 Your choice of Pacenti Quasi-moto's or Schwalbe Big Ben's.

 Pm me off list if you have any questions.

 Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Shoji Takahashi

I was thinking the same about a second cage behind the seat tube. Maybe a 
nice place for a tool roll or even a paleo sandwich. There's a Porcelain 
Rocket/Rick Hunter long-wheelbase fat bike that has a custom behind 
seat-tube bag.
http://www.porcelainrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sandsledbefore2.jpg

The colors are great, and white RBW on the headtube reinforcements is a 
nice touch. 

I'm digging the curved seat stays, too. A graceful curve to match the fork. 
(Riv forks have such nice curves.)

Enjoy the bikes!
shoji

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:34:40 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:

 They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the seat 
 tube.  They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier on the 
 BLUG.

 The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.  

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daba...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
 David
 Chicago




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Re: [RBW] Best 2ish allrounder tire?

2015-03-13 Thread John

Mike,  How does the ride of the Nine Line's compare to the Rock 'n' Roads?

Thanks,

John

On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 8:21:09 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 with Paul Canti's you can add Hunter Nugz 
  http://huntercycles.bigcartel.com/product/hunter-nugz 
 http://huntercycles.bigcartel.com/product/hunter-nugz .  They make it 
 easy to adjust for different rim widths.  
 I have them on my Bantam that will have ( eventually) two wheelsets.  Fat 
 roadies and fatter knobbies.  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14522976996/in/set-72157642985369584

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread 'Jay B' via RBW Owners Bunch

+3 on all that useful space behind the seat tube!  a great place for a 
water bottle or a Salsa Anything cage, and it frees up the main triangle 
for a capacious frame bag.  

and speaking of the massive tire clearances, are there any great for 
nothing, good for everything 650b x 60mm tires out there?  perhaps 
something like the available 650b x 50 Big Ben, but fatter?  

i really like what RBW is doing here,
Jay B.  

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 I was thinking the same about a second cage behind the seat tube. Maybe a 
 nice place for a tool roll or even a paleo sandwich. There's a Porcelain 
 Rocket/Rick Hunter long-wheelbase fat bike that has a custom behind 
 seat-tube bag.

 http://www.porcelainrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sandsledbefore2.jpg

 The colors are great, and white RBW on the headtube reinforcements is a 
 nice touch. 

 I'm digging the curved seat stays, too. A graceful curve to match the 
 fork. (Riv forks have such nice curves.)

 Enjoy the bikes!
 shoji

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:34:40 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:

 They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the 
 seat tube.  They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier on 
 the BLUG.

 The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.  

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
 David
 Chicago




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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread Anne Paulson

There's room for an Anything Cage behind the seat tube? Wow. I knew
the chainstays were long, but I didn't realize they were THAT long. I
am so upset about this bike-- upset that I can't buy one right now for
my son. This is the bike he needs.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:26 AM, 'Jay B' via RBW Owners Bunch
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
 +3 on all that useful space behind the seat tube!  a great place for a water
 bottle or a Salsa Anything cage, and it frees up the main triangle for a
 capacious frame bag.

 and speaking of the massive tire clearances, are there any great for
 nothing, good for everything 650b x 60mm tires out there?  perhaps
 something like the available 650b x 50 Big Ben, but fatter?

 i really like what RBW is doing here,
 Jay B.

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 I was thinking the same about a second cage behind the seat tube. Maybe a
 nice place for a tool roll or even a paleo sandwich. There's a Porcelain
 Rocket/Rick Hunter long-wheelbase fat bike that has a custom behind
 seat-tube bag.

 http://www.porcelainrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sandsledbefore2.jpg

 The colors are great, and white RBW on the headtube reinforcements is a
 nice touch.

 I'm digging the curved seat stays, too. A graceful curve to match the
 fork. (Riv forks have such nice curves.)

 Enjoy the bikes!
 shoji

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:34:40 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:

 They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the
 seat tube.  They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier on
 the BLUG.

 The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
 David
 Chicago


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Re: [RBW] Re: ClemSamples on the BLUG

2015-03-13 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

Jay, these are the size you're looking for, but not sure about all that 
mass you would be spinning around... 1125g is two tires worth of rubber!
http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/super-moto-x



On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 9:26:29 AM UTC-7, Jay B wrote:

 +3 on all that useful space behind the seat tube!  a great place for a 
 water bottle or a Salsa Anything cage, and it frees up the main triangle 
 for a capacious frame bag.  

 and speaking of the massive tire clearances, are there any great for 
 nothing, good for everything 650b x 60mm tires out there?  perhaps 
 something like the available 650b x 50 Big Ben, but fatter?  

 i really like what RBW is doing here,
 Jay B.  

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 I was thinking the same about a second cage behind the seat tube. Maybe a 
 nice place for a tool roll or even a paleo sandwich. There's a Porcelain 
 Rocket/Rick Hunter long-wheelbase fat bike that has a custom behind 
 seat-tube bag.

 http://www.porcelainrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sandsledbefore2.jpg

 The colors are great, and white RBW on the headtube reinforcements is a 
 nice touch. 

 I'm digging the curved seat stays, too. A graceful curve to match the 
 fork. (Riv forks have such nice curves.)

 Enjoy the bikes!
 shoji

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 11:34:40 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:

 They should add a second set of bottle cage bosses on the back of the 
 seat tube.  They showed a strap-on twofish cage in that position earlier on 
 the BLUG.

 The twofish cage actually works ok, from my experience, but it's ugly.  

 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:19 PM, David Banzer daba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice solution to bottle cage bosses on the Clementine.
 David
 Chicago




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