[RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Philip Williamson]

I would have replaced the pawl with a shiny new one, and sent the original 
shifter back, "all fixed!"

Disagree about cowardly and shameful. "If you wanted a better review, you 
should have behaved more gracefully." (Not you - shifter guy).

Philip
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[RBW] WTB 56cm or 58 cm Sam frameset

[mike gasparino]

Condition doesn't matter. I'd pretty a little worn in anyway! Please contact 
off list

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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[ascpgh]

You could apply a coat of shellac to the platform surface of your pedals to 
seal the Aluminum surface. Cheap and easily repeatable as needed. 

Andy Cheatham
PIttsburghj 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is only on the pedal contact 
> spot. If it was dirt it would be that color other places too and it's not. 
> I suspect sweat oxidizing the aluminum combined with the pressure to rub in 
> off the pedal on/into the skin of my foot.
>
> Yes, the whole exposure things seems most likely minimal, but I also know 
> that my brain injury turns me into a canary in a coal mine in a lot of 
> ways. Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>> When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that 
>> is aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt.  If you rode on 
>> plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray?
>>
>> It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum 
>> develop any neurological problems as a result of handling aluminum year 
>> after year. I know that whenever I work with aluminum fenders, my hands get 
>> black with aluminum oxide. I'm guessing that the absorbtion ends up being 
>> very low, perhaps less than normal diet, but who really knows?
>>
>> Anton, who works in biology and has fun with aluminum
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. 
>>> After a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are 
>>> definately rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The 
>>> logic of it seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it 
>>> being an issue is more extreme.
>>>
>>> For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- thank 
>>> you for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns listed 
>>> are non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite exposure. 
>>> Chemical because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and 
>>> parasite could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of 
>>> course, the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going 
>>> barefoot. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
>>> wrote:

 Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can 
 absorb aluminum via riding barefoot?

 Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer 
 to many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms 
 of mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
 muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
 have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
 and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
 shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
 up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
 causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
 meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
 off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the 
 collective 
 knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
 metallurgy. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
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[RBW] My New Roadeo

[Philip Williamson]

That's nice to hear someone on this list describe their bars as "high" at 1cm 
below saddle height!

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, Oliver. Yes, if it is contributory, it's because I am a canary 
in a coal mine. I wouldn't imagine this would be on a list of toxic things 
we absorb.

Andy, I thought about shellac and may try it, but I wonder if it would come 
off really fast.

Thank you, Clyde. I get 2 cups of homemade bone broth a day, so have 
confidence in my calcium and magnesium. Altra Running is a great company. 
Their shoes are a lot thicker than I wear (theirs are 10+ mm, I wear 2-3mm 
at most). If you do the minimalist thing, you might be interested in 
Zemgear's Terra Tech.

The good news is it seems to be clearing out. Come next spring I'll likely 
play around with going barefoot again.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Michael Hechmer]

Yes, these road bikes are a joy in the hills.  Glad to read of your joy. 
 And for the record, I too like my bars high  - 2 cm below the saddle. 
 That allows me to get a little lower going downhill, and makes it easier 
to stand and rock the bike when I want to.

Michael

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:26:02 PM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>
> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought I 
> would give and update.
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just was 
> an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below my 
> saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
> problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When I first got into bicycling as an adult back in 1995, I bought a book 
and the author recommended setting the handleabars "about an inch or two 
below the saddle, for comfort".  Even then, I had the LBS set up my first 
bike with handlebars well above the saddle and I was young, in good shape 
and not fat back then!  



On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:48:22 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> That's nice to hear someone on this list describe their bars as "high" at 
> 1cm below saddle height!
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2015 01:11 AM, Oliver S. wrote:


Anyway, there's a lot more research you can do, but I think barefoot 
riding sounds harmless on the whole and with respect to aluminum.




Just don't step off while the bike is still moving.  I have an old, worn 
out pair of Sidi Dominators and the lugs are all ground off the sole on 
the foot I step down with.



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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

my freshman Chem prof, Dr. Hall, had an Uncle Charlie - concurrent inventor 
of the Hall-Bayer process and founder of Alcoa.  

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:11:03 AM UTC-5, Oliver S. wrote:
>
> I understand your concern but doubt that the concentrations being 
> transmitted are significant. 
>
> My uncle Charlie studies how chemicals indoors end up in us, focusing 
> mostly on phthalates transmitted through the skin and breathing. [And he 
> and my aunt Lulu are longtime Riv fans and handed down a pile of Readers to 
> me].
>
> Today Charlie tweeted a link  to a CDC 
> report on exposure to environmental chemicals.  I took a brief look at the 
> report , and of the 212 chemicals 
> included (inc. ~20 metals), aluminum isn't in there.  
>
> Anyway, there's a lot more research you can do, but I think barefoot 
> riding sounds harmless on the whole and with respect to aluminum. 
>
> - Oliver
>
>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Ron Mc]

It was the increasing value of the yen that sent Japanese bike production 
to Taiwan and eventually eliminated their export market.  I think it's 
great that the falling yen may bring them back to us

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Cost will be a duesy!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[clyde canter]

Patrick,
About four years ago I started having more than the occasional cramp,
mainly in my feet.  Research lead me to try taking supplements (potassium
and magnesium) along with my daily banana.  I now rarely have any type of
cramp and have ditched the banana (don't need the extra sugar) altogether.
  I gotta say those cramps in my feet were awful. As for barefoot cycling
you might want to give this https://www.altrarunning.com/ a look. Great
shoes. Pricey, but worth it IMO.
I'm not sure if any of this is related to your condition(s), but it might
be worth a look. Hope you get it resolved soon I can relate.
Best,
Clyde

Sorry not to resond off list, but I can't find the "cc" thingy here anymore

emoticons are easy to find...sheesh


On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to
> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

Consider some Magnesium pedals :)  Wellgo MG-1 , Canfield Crampon , 
Xpedo MX Force and Spry and DMR Vault and V12 are some , all with removable 
pins and all . 

   I've had a couple of pairs of Wellgo's for years , perfect for my 12" 
foot length.  Just add some grease to them when new and the are good to go 
indefinitely .

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60CM Blue Bombadil frame LIKE new

[Kim]

Photos please of the 59cm Heron - Thanks, Kim.

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 2:14:01 PM UTC-7, Kendallspower wrote:
>
> Apologies for the lack of info. Its a bit emotional LOL. Twin top tube 
> early model, is a silver blue metallic. 
>
> I am also parting with my 59 Heron. I will begin removing the full XTR 
> M900 gruppo tonight and post pics ASAP.
>
> Thanks, Kendall
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 1:09:22 PM UTC-7, Kendallspower wrote:
>>
>> Trying to gauge interest. I have 2 and I never ride the nicer one which I 
>> am thinking about parting with. It was a wedding gift from 
>> my wife.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts Bin Clean Out

[Sean Bham]

Thanks to everyone who bought something.

Still a number of parts left

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 11:06:54 PM UTC-7, Sean Bham wrote:
>
> I spent the long weekend sorting through my parts stash and have quite a 
> bit to part with.
>
> Everything is pictured, described, and priced here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/27268976@N05/albums/72157658310108362
>
> I was thinking $5 shipping per order, some little things I'll cover, the 
> rack, fork, and frame would be charged at actual shipping cost.
>
> If you have any interest, questions, think a price is out of line, etc, 
> please let me know.
>
> I take Paypal and will ship within 24 hrs of payment, thanks!
>
> -Sean
>

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[RBW] Novels???

[mike gasparino]

Hi folks,
Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks!
Michael 

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[RBW] C / GAP Trail Users: Bike Roll-On Service on Amtrak's Capitol Limited

[Ryan Thompson]

Great news, thanks for posting. I've been looking forward to taking the train 
from DC to Harpers Ferry and riding the C Back home. 

Ryan 

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[RBW] My New Roadeo

[mike gasparino]

Congrats!

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[RBW] Re: FYI: Saluki on Ebay

[George Chalekian]

Hi Interested Riv People.






I actually posted that bike here on June 24th as I was hoping to "keep it 
in the family."
I am the eBay poster, non-bike shop, non-pawn shop, original owner.


Forgive me for the respond-all nature of this post even though it is 
addressed to Minh, but I am endeavoring to reach you all en masse as the 
auction ends today at 11:15 PM PST just in case anybody is interested.

*The Mystery Of The Stem*
It's a Nitto Periscopa stem which effectively raises the bars to saddle 
height, as is Mr. Petersen's penchant.
He picked the stem.
Honestly, I thought it looked somewhat odd when I received the bicycle but 
it provided a lovely place to attach a bell and both it and the headset 
have performed without incident since day 1.
I picked the Chris King headset – the one "blingy bit" on the bike.
(You'll note the rear hub and the bottom bracket are neither King's nor 
Wood's – both of which Mr. Petersen vetoed.)
The original mustache bar (also Nitto) was swapped out for a brand new Velo 
Orange Rando bar when my commute changed to include 6 miles of headwind.
No Bianchi's, Veloce's or otherwise, were harmed, nor did anything on this 
bicycle ever reside on another bicycle myself excepted of course.

*Scratches Everywhere (Dan, this one's for you)*
Perhaps the comment was in jest, but if not, I'm going to guess that the 
highlights running horizontally along the top tube could easily be mistaken 
for scratches, but they're not.
They're the consequence of "poor"overhead bedroom lighting.
I think when I finally got around to taking the pix, at my wife's 
insistence (n + 1, etc) the sun had already set.
Other than the two conspicuous scrapes beneath the top tube (conspicuous if 
you're laying on your back and looking up at bottom of the top tube) that 
resulted from a the bike being locked to a rack, not by me let me quickly 
add, the paint still has that lovely new-bike clear-coat shine.
Why? Because it lived inside my office when I got to work and inside the 
garage when I was home.
My apologies if I sound defensive but, well, I am.
I babied that bike and it's pretty dammit.

*It Really Is A 54.*
See attached pic.

*You're Right John, Japan, Not Taiwan, Is Where The Frame Was Welded.*
(Thanks KevinD2004 for pointing this out if you're haunting this forum.)

*Twin Headlights*
They work. Brilliantly. (I'm sorry for that.) I have them set so the left 
light (if you're on the bike) illuminates the road starting about 10 feet 
in front of the front tire, and the right beam reaching out farther. The 
left light being tilted farther downwards keeps me from blinding oncoming 
cars, who used to flash their brights at me before I got things dialed in. 
While they can be run independently via the magnetic switches on lights, if 
you have both lights on they overlap, creating a bright spot  from about 15 
to 30 feet in front of the front tire. I got the idea from one of Sacha 
White's Rando bikes.

As Bill Lindsey points out the hub is a Schmidt Nabendynamo and it as well 
as the lights were ordered from Peter White. The lights are identical 
models expect for the housing. I had to replace the housing on the left 
(black-rimmed) light because I car-doored it and cracked the housing. The 
hazards of living in a garage.

*It's Stolen! (Halfstep Nell, you listening?)*
The stolen bike was reported in Miami. My bike and I live in Honolulu. The 
stolen bike was Pea Green. Mine is Pewter, complete with all the fancy 
paint touches. See the pics on eBay.

*My eBay Rating Sucks.*
Honestly, you may be right. I've only sold one thing on eBay. I attached a 
screen grab of my profile. My hope is the (1) after my name indicates I'm 
selling one (1) item?

Want to know anything else, email me directly at georgenc...@gmail.com.

George


On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>
> I'm sure most folks have searches on ebay, this one popped up this morning 
> and it's interesting/odd to me.  From the seller, looks to be a 
> non-bikeshop (maybe a pawnshop?) so i don't trust the sizing and there are 
> no measurements (though from the pics, it looks to be a 54-56).
>
> One odd thing, i did not know these ever came with threadless stems.  and 
> from the (poor) pictures, there is a locknut under the stem.  Would that 
> even fit if you went from 1" threaded to 1" threadless?  
>
> Maybe i need another cup of coffee, this just looked odd to me.
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[RBW] Re: Elk Pass tires on dirt

[Don Funke]

What kind of attachment  did you use to connect your light to the front 
fender? Looks good.

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I somehow managed to overshift the rd on the Fargo this morning so that it 
> got into the spokes, 4 miles into a ride, so I walked home and took the '03 
> out on the same acequia  roads -- 20 miles overall, 10 miles dirt. (I know, 
> not epic; but interesting to me as a first time experiment.)
>
> The surfaces are not as deep in sand as they can be after a drier summer, 
> but they are sandy. Still, the Elk Passes did well: far less smooth at 
> ~29/55 than the taller Freds at 51/20, and they bogged down in sandy bits 
> far faster, but certainly doable. I didn't even shift to the 63" or 66" 
> gear.
>
> Photos show that I have a camera.
>
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> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Comotion001]

WOW, thanks for all the great feedback. It definitely sounds like a must 
have bike. The bike is on Minneapolis Craigslist. The owner says he 
purchased it from a collector in Colorado but doesn't know what year it is. 
I live in NC so I'm not able to see the bike other than the pics. He is 
asking $1200. Is there a way to determine year based on a serial number? 
Also, does $1200 sound like a fair price? I don't know what QBs typically 
bring. Based on the feedback I would love to purchase it but want to 
proceed with caution. Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a 
good LBS I can have the owner take it to for inspection and packaging / 
shipping ?  Thanks again for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out. 
 Bill

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>
> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I like 
> the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently riding. 
>  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to hear 
> feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, Garth. With the exception of the Canfield Crampon Classic, they 
all have non-barefoot friendly platforms. I'll definately look into the 
classic.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 5:58:27 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
> Consider some Magnesium pedals :)  Wellgo MG-1 , Canfield Crampon , 
> Xpedo MX Force and Spry and DMR Vault and V12 are some , all with removable 
> pins and all . 
>
>I've had a couple of pairs of Wellgo's for years , perfect for my 12" 
> foot length.  Just add some grease to them when new and the are good to go 
> indefinitely .
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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Roger Blake]

Cauls are shaped wood pieces, in this case curved to suite the shape of the 
chain guard.  They go between the steel clamp(s) and the chain guard.  They 
distribute the forces of the the clamp and protect the chain guard from 
being dented by the clamp. Done in this way, the repair will be stronger at 
the glue line than it was originally. If it breaks again it will be 
somewhere else.

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 4:58:28 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>
> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to 
> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades, 
> cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what you want. 
>
> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my 
> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom 
> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>
> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; I 
> think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look 
> ugly.
>
> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>
> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary 
> reference.
>
> Out flew the web and floated wide-
> The mirror crack'd from side to side;
> "The curse is come upon me," cried
> The Lady of Shalott.
>
> Patrick Moore, who blushes to admit that he finds at least a few Tennyson 
> lines appealing, in ABQ, NM.
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[RBW] WTB - Jack Brown Blues

[MartyG]

I could use a pair, but even one would be enough to see if they fit the 
bike I have in mind. Anything with life left is fine, but a beater is OK 
too for what I need. If they work out I'll buy a new pair. Let me know what 
you might have, and where you ship from. I'm in PA. Don't want to invest in 
new tires until I know for sure. 

Thanks,

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[RBW] Re: September 20 Marin Headlands/Pre Rivendell picnic ride

[John Grady]

I would like to come.  I have a Sam Hillborne, my wife rides a Handsome 
Cycles She Devil.  Are non-Rivendells welcome?


On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 9:08:49 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:

> Quick heads up to anyone who is not watching the Bay Area Rivendell Riders 
> Group, there is a 9/20 Marin headlands ride starting at 9:30 from the ferry 
> building (in front of Gott's) and ending around 1-ish at Crissy Field for 
> the Rivendell Bicycle Picnic from 1-4 featured on the Blug. First version 
> of the route here: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/10349080. Totally open 
> to suggestions for anyone joining that knows the area better than I do. PM 
> if interested in meeting up.
>

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[RBW] Re: Mount Laguna s24o

[Daniel Jackson]

Hey Hugh,

Thanks for sharing this one.

Might I ask:

1. What handlebar bag are you using here?
2. What size saddlesack are you using: medium or large?

Thanks,
D.

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 2:44:19 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
>
> This happened in the Southland over the 9/11 weekend.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/albums/72157656255990733
>
> It was cooler than at the coast with wide open vistas and superb dbl & 
> single track and the company wasn't bad either.
>
> Blessings to the 9/11 victims and their families.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Philip Kim]

yep. i didn't even read it as a shaming, just Grant trying to be 
transparent.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:46:40 AM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
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> I don't think you can call it a public shaming when no one has been named.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for helmet/head rain covers?

[Ron Mc]

thanks for the heads up on the Gore helmet cover.  We rarely get the kind 
of soaking rain most people think of as showers.  We mostly get flash 
monsoons that don't last long but can put down 5-10"/hr.  You get caught in 
one and the worst thing about it is the runoff from your helmet vents 
flooding your eyes.  Carrying an emergency helmet cover sounds like a great 
idea, and I found one online for $35.  

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 5:57:05 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> On long hot rides I prefer to just let the rain cool my head, but below 60 
> if its raining I use a Gore Wear helmet cover with neon yellow sides and 
> effective strips. Adds warmth and visibility. 
>
> I wear a Shower's Pass jacket and Foxwear rain pants in similar 
> conditions. I'll still end up wet or damp from a combination of drip 
> through and sweat, but I won't be chilled -- and having once been 
> near-hypothermic on a cold, wet ride without much opportunity for shelter I 
> really prefer warm and damp!   :)
>
> Foxwear is semi-custom rain [and other outdoor] gear made in Salmon, Idaho 
> by a one-man shop at very reasonable prices -- perfect for me as I have a 
> long inseam and stock rain pants simply don't do the trick. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Next in the series.
>> What works for you in downpours on long rides?
>>
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[RBW] Re: FYI: Saluki on Ebay

[Minh]

George,

Thanks for posting, i didn't mean to incriminate you along with the green 
one.  For anyone coming into this thread late, the Green one in Miami was 
the suspicious one that was reported stolen on BikeIndex.   George's silver 
one in Hawaii is a totally different thread of discussion.

George many of the comments you are referring to are also in regard to the 
green one, so i wouldn't get too wrapped up into it.  The one pertinent 
point in  your post is in regard to your ebay rating, when  you don't sell 
much or are not active it will be low.  Some people are suspicious of low 
feedback sellers so it's good that you posted such a detailed message so we 
know you are a real person.  good luck with the sale.  

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Minh]

the age of the frame does not matter that much.  some of the earlier ones 
do not have the braze-ons the fork for a front rack (you have to use 
clamps).  but i would be more worried about condition, if it's in good 
condition then age doesn't matter to me.

a bike is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, FWIW i paid that 
much for mine but it was local so no shipping factored in.  There was a S1 
(frame + a few extras) on the list for the last few months for ~$700, that 
was a great price even if not complete, so $1200 is reasonable to me for a 
full bike.  you could maybe get one a little less but if you're a 
non-common size, you have to factor in availability.


On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:02:28 AM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>
> WOW, thanks for all the great feedback. It definitely sounds like a must 
> have bike. The bike is on Minneapolis Craigslist. The owner says he 
> purchased it from a collector in Colorado but doesn't know what year it is. 
> I live in NC so I'm not able to see the bike other than the pics. He is 
> asking $1200. Is there a way to determine year based on a serial number? 
> Also, does $1200 sound like a fair price? I don't know what QBs typically 
> bring. Based on the feedback I would love to purchase it but want to 
> proceed with caution. Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a 
> good LBS I can have the owner take it to for inspection and packaging / 
> shipping ?  Thanks again for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out. 
>  Bill
>
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Novels???

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Well, in the not merely good but stunningly great category, there's always 
Heart of Darkness.  And you can get it free on Gutenberg (and I suppose a lot 
of other places, too).

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Hi folks,
Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[Norman R]

Could you narrow your field of interest a bit?  Bicycle related, adventure, 
philosophical, mind bending, etc.

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> Hi folks, 
> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
> Michael 

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Re: [RBW] Re: September 20 Marin Headlands/Pre Rivendell picnic ride

[davecstein]

Absolutely. All bike are welcome.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:35 PM, John Grady  wrote:
> 
> I would like to come.  I have a Sam Hillborne, my wife rides a Handsome 
> Cycles She Devil.  Are non-Rivendells welcome?
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 9:08:49 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>> Quick heads up to anyone who is not watching the Bay Area Rivendell Riders 
>> Group, there is a 9/20 Marin headlands ride starting at 9:30 from the ferry 
>> building (in front of Gott's) and ending around 1-ish at Crissy Field for 
>> the Rivendell Bicycle Picnic from 1-4 featured on the Blug. First version of 
>> the route here: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/10349080. Totally open to 
>> suggestions for anyone joining that knows the area better than I do. PM if 
>> interested in meeting up.
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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[mike gasparino]

I'm all over the board. Mystery,adventure,fantasy,crime,even love!

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RE: [RBW] Novels???

[mike gasparino]

Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[M D Smith]

Patrick-

Have you considered wooden pedals? 

I can't find the exact thing I'm thinking of, but someone made at one point a 
kit that consisted of pedal spindles that one screwed into pieces of wood to 
make any sized platforms.  I'm pretty sure I read it in an old Rivendell Reader 
at some point.  Does anyone else remember those?

If you google "wooden bicycle pedals" and hit "images" you will get lots of 
ideas for pedals that wouldn't cause an issue with aluminum/skin contact.

Cheers- Mike, usually shod in Bkln, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Patrick Moore]

I think your opinion about the matter is entirely off center. Of course,
we've not heard the other person's side of the story -- audiatur et alter
pars! -- but as described in the Blug, the OP is a self involved jerk.

Grant has since Rivendell began soliloquized about running his business and
his own emotional reactions to doing so; this is just one more of a similar
series, and he is entirely in his right to do this. He disclosed no
identity -- this is no public shaming! -- and he (Grant) is very obviously
a person who is very troubled at having to reject stupid demands; this sort
of soliloquy is, I gather, one way he deals with them.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In regards to the Silver shifter. Many, many things (especially high
> quality things) come with a "lifetime guaranty". No company actually thinks
> their product is going to last the lifetime of the purchaser, instead it is
> for the lifetime of the product purchased. Most companies leave it up to
> the customer to decide if the product failed before it should have failed
> and if so are free to return it for repair or replacement. One person may
> be satisfied after a year and another not satisfied if there is a problem
> after 10. Vague warranties leave a lot up to the customer/ purchaser.
> Rivendell's own non-warranty warranty is purposefully vague. This is how
> things work and most good companies would be happy to make a customer
> happy. The public shaming received from Grant is both cowardly and
> shameful. If you don't want to replace it then tell the customer and if you
> do want to replace it then do it graciously. I have handled hundreds (maybe
> thousands) or returns for both good and bad reasons and have never seen a
> company act like Rivendell/ Grant has acted.
>
> I am NOT the returner of said shifter.
>
> Sorry for the typos/ grammar, I'm writing this on my phone.
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Joe Bernard]

For anyone who has a problem with Grant publishing his thoughts about his 
business, I have two words: Boo. Hoo.

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Re: [RBW] Novels???

[Patrick Moore]

Kindle has dozens if not hundreds of free or sub $3 books in the public
domain. Do you like Kipling?

"Can't say; I've never kipled." But no more of that. You can get Rudyard on
Kindle; Kim is good. I just downloaded Plutarch and Tennyson, and I've got
all of Willa Cather and Chesterton.

Not free at all, but the Aubrey/Maturin series of Napoleonic British navy
sailing life are pretty darned good and available on Kindle and in the
library. Patrick O'Brian.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Liesl]

There are few of us in Minneapolis/Greater Twin Cities.  Depending on where 
the seller is and your timeframe, one of us might be able to go have a 
look-see (and get a vicarious thrill).  I'm not sure what bike I would go 
to for packing; maybe Calhoun Cycle in Uptown?  Dan A., do you have 
thoughts?

-liesl who is so tempted by the little silver QB for sale that she must 
avert her eyes

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>
> Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a good LBS I can have the 
> owner take it to for inspection and packaging / shipping ?  Thanks again 
> for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out.  Bill
>
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[RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Liesl]

In regards to another Reader coming out, I am ecstatic!  I reread mine so 
many times...it's like being stuck in the Antarctic with only a 1913 Vanity 
Fair.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Joe Bernard]

Silvers are the bee's knees for front shifting. I currently have my Bike Friday 
set up with Albatross bars, a Sora 9-speed brifter for the rear, and a Silver 
bar-con for the front triple (Dia-Compe brake lever). It looks a little odd, 
but works great. 

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[RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Garth]

   That's what great about opinions  everyone has one :) 

   Mine , Suntour XC Power shifter (thumb shifter) are the best of the best 
of any time .  Yes, lots of "new" ratcheting shifters and they work well 
and all in fun-ction , but none even come close to the position on the bar 
and the shape of the lever . None ! , not even close !  They are all 
mounted away from the bar, the ST mount on top .  These shifters are my all 
timey favs along with the original ST thumbies which are mechanically the 
same just a slightly different body style . Love love love !  

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[Patrick Moore]

If I had much more money than I do, the one Rivendell I'd buy in a snap
would be a Roadeo.

(Tho' I'd love a Hunq and an Atlantis too. And a Legolas. But the Roadeo
would top the list.)

Thanks for the descriptions of handling.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, RJM  wrote:

> Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine about
> even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the drops
> on my Mark's bar fine.
>
> I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me total
> confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did a
> rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was hilly
> and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned out that
> way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once
> uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it,
> something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was
> just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it;
> apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and
> irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders
> were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how
> they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle
> that stuff fine.
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
>> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought I
>> would give and update.
>> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just was
>> an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile rides.
>> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics
>> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's
>> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating
>>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from
>> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
>> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below
>> my saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands
>> problems on long rides.
>> Don Compton
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[RJM]

Volcano Dirt?
 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot? 
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[RJM]

I'm reading "Confederacy of Dunces" for the second time and really am 
enjoying it quite a bit. It's not short, but it is fun. 
 

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:03:22 AM UTC-5, mike gasparino wrote:

> Hi folks, 
> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
> Michael 

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[RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Garth]

   In regards to the person returning the shifter  .. 

   The Eternal mantra : So What !   

  Maybe the customer was this , or maybe that, or maybe that *and* that  . 
. . .  on and on and on . So what ?!   None of us are so fragile as to not 
withstand a little rocking of the boat , it's just a wave ;) 


   Hey, I have family in the bike biz that will never do business with 
Grant again .  They won't shop at Wal Mart and Sam's .  Well . . . .so what 
I say .  Not flippantly , but just that's their experience and choice , not 
mine .  

*Not my circus and not my monkeys*

   There's lot of other stuff to talk about !  

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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

  
  Oh yeah guys , wood !  Brilliant I forget to mention these for Patrick , 
way cool .  I think the shape may work for bare feet ? 

http://www.motobicycles.com/moto-urban-pedal-en.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: Elk Pass tires on dirt

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. It's a custom fender support - cum - lowrider support and it has a
braze on for mounting the light at the apex.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Don Funke 
wrote:

> What kind of attachment  did you use to connect your light to the front
> fender? Looks good.
>
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I somehow managed to overshift the rd on the Fargo this morning so that
>> it got into the spokes, 4 miles into a ride, so I walked home and took the
>> '03 out on the same acequia  roads -- 20 miles overall, 10 miles dirt. (I
>> know, not epic; but interesting to me as a first time experiment.)
>>
>> The surfaces are not as deep in sand as they can be after a drier summer,
>> but they are sandy. Still, the Elk Passes did well: far less smooth at
>> ~29/55 than the taller Freds at 51/20, and they bogged down in sandy bits
>> far faster, but certainly doable. I didn't even shift to the 63" or 66"
>> gear.
>>
>> Photos show that I have a camera.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Tim Gavin]

I'm less than satisfied with right/rear Silver shifters.

I've tried two (used and new, with both gray and black plastic discs) and
encountered the same problem: the tension screw is very finicky and doesn't
stay in place very long.

Within a couple hundred miles, the screw will back out a fraction of a turn
and I'll lose shifter friction, resulting in an abrupt shift to high gear.
When I attempt to re-tension the screw, I invariably over-tighten it and
the effort to move the shift lever is too high (I cracked one gray plastic
disc this way, in the middle of a tour).  Unfortunately, the "sweet spot"
of just-enough tension doesn't last long until it loosens again.

Grant has alluded to this in previous Reader/Blug articles, and says that
messing with the tension bolt is a minor issue that's easy to remedy.  My
opinion differs; I find it more frustrating.

That said, I don't feel that it's such a problem that I expect Riv to
refund me.  It's a foible of the design of these shifters, not really a
failure.

I prefer to use Shimano bar-ends for rear shifting on my bikes.

However, I am very satisfied with the shifting of the front/left Silver
shifter, specifically with triple cranks.
The Silver front shifter seems to throw more cable than the Shimano ones.
This means that I have to move the shift lever less to effect a front
shift, which gives the shift lever a more direct, commanding feel.
The front Shimano bar-ends require lots of lever travel and end up near a
10 o'clock position when in the biggest ring, whereas the Silver is still
at 8:30 in that situation.

I recently took the right Silver shifter off my Riv and set it up with a
Shimano 10s index shifter (with XT M772 RD and 11-32 cassette), but I kept
the left Silver shifter for the front derailleur (IRD Alpina-D with Campy
Racing T crank 52/42/30).  My KOM is set up with 9 speed Shimano bar end
shifters, and I plan on replacing the front Shimano shifter with a Silver
bar-end.

FYI, the bar-end pod on the 10 speed Shimano shifters is black and
oh-so-slightly different than the standard pod on the 7/8/9 speed Shimanos
and Silvers.  The 10 speed Shimano shift lever fits fine on the 7/8/9 speed
pod, BUT the 10th click is locked out.  The top of the 10 speed pod has a
little less material and this allows the lever to reach the 10th click.  If
you want to use the 10 speed Shimano bar ends, you have to use the black
pod (included).

Tim

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Kieran J]

>From the listing pictures, that QB appears to be in really nice shape. I 
don't see anything obviously weird or concerning about it.
Go for it!

KJ


On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:02:28 AM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>
> WOW, thanks for all the great feedback. It definitely sounds like a must 
> have bike. The bike is on Minneapolis Craigslist. The owner says he 
> purchased it from a collector in Colorado but doesn't know what year it is. 
> I live in NC so I'm not able to see the bike other than the pics. He is 
> asking $1200. Is there a way to determine year based on a serial number? 
> Also, does $1200 sound like a fair price? I don't know what QBs typically 
> bring. Based on the feedback I would love to purchase it but want to 
> proceed with caution. Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a 
> good LBS I can have the owner take it to for inspection and packaging / 
> shipping ?  Thanks again for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out. 
>  Bill
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 2:32:34 PM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I 
>> like the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently 
>> riding.  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to 
>> hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Patrick Moore]

Tim is right about the liabilities of the Silver shifters, principally the
loosening tension bolt and consequent breakage of the tension washer; and,
also, their fragility when the bike falls over on them.

The Power Ratchet design used a locknut to hold the tension just right. But
you can compensate for the lack of this on the Silvers by using blue
Loctite. With that, mine stay adjusted indefinitely -- too much so, in
fact, since I Loctited the left after making it too tight, and now it's
hard to back it off. But I don't shift rings much.

The absolute ne plus ultra of shifters would be a Silver with that part
reinforced where the lever is cut back to accommodate the pawl; and with a
locknut added to the mounting screw.

Of course, the great liability of the PRs was that the locknut,
proprietary, always got lost.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I'm less than satisfied with right/rear Silver shifters.
>
> I've tried two (used and new, with both gray and black plastic discs) and
> encountered the same problem: the tension screw is very finicky and doesn't
> stay in place very long.
>
> Within a couple hundred miles, the screw will back out a fraction of a
> turn and I'll lose shifter friction, resulting in an abrupt shift to high
> gear.  When I attempt to re-tension the screw, I invariably over-tighten it
> and the effort to move the shift lever is too high (I cracked one gray
> plastic disc this way, in the middle of a tour).  Unfortunately, the "sweet
> spot" of just-enough tension doesn't last long until it loosens again.
>
> Grant has alluded to this in previous Reader/Blug articles, and says that
> messing with the tension bolt is a minor issue that's easy to remedy.  My
> opinion differs; I find it more frustrating.
>
> That said, I don't feel that it's such a problem that I expect Riv to
> refund me.  It's a foible of the design of these shifters, not really a
> failure.
>
> I prefer to use Shimano bar-ends for rear shifting on my bikes.
>
> However, I am very satisfied with the shifting of the front/left Silver
> shifter, specifically with triple cranks.
> The Silver front shifter seems to throw more cable than the Shimano ones.
> This means that I have to move the shift lever less to effect a front
> shift, which gives the shift lever a more direct, commanding feel.
> The front Shimano bar-ends require lots of lever travel and end up near a
> 10 o'clock position when in the biggest ring, whereas the Silver is still
> at 8:30 in that situation.
>
> I recently took the right Silver shifter off my Riv and set it up with a
> Shimano 10s index shifter (with XT M772 RD and 11-32 cassette), but I kept
> the left Silver shifter for the front derailleur (IRD Alpina-D with Campy
> Racing T crank 52/42/30).  My KOM is set up with 9 speed Shimano bar end
> shifters, and I plan on replacing the front Shimano shifter with a Silver
> bar-end.
>
> FYI, the bar-end pod on the 10 speed Shimano shifters is black and
> oh-so-slightly different than the standard pod on the 7/8/9 speed Shimanos
> and Silvers.  The 10 speed Shimano shift lever fits fine on the 7/8/9 speed
> pod, BUT the 10th click is locked out.  The top of the 10 speed pod has a
> little less material and this allows the lever to reach the 10th click.  If
> you want to use the 10 speed Shimano bar ends, you have to use the black
> pod (included).
>
> Tim
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[RBW] Re: My New Roadeo

[RJM]

Yeah, these Roadeos make great road bikes. I have the saddle on mine about 
even with the stem, which I find comfortable and I can still use the drops 
on my Mark's bar fine. 
 
I'm generally passing people while decending and this bike gives me total 
confidence while doing so, even when the road twists and turns. I did a 
rather difficult 62 mile charity ride on this past Saturday that was hilly 
and ridiculously windy (no tailwinds either because it just turned out that 
way) and the bike was fine. I was tired afterwards, but never once 
uncomfortable. This specific route had some truly terrible roads on it, 
something which I actually brought up with the organizer. One downhill was 
just destroyed and had that gravelly (sp?) loose chip stuff all over it; 
apparently this was a failed attempt to fix the various potholes and 
irregularities. I was glad I had the Roadeo on that one and other riders 
were complaining up a storm afterwards because of the condition and how 
they had to slow way down. I didn't slow down because the bike can handle 
that stuff fine. 
 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 10:26:02 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> After someone had questions about Roadeos on the IBOB group, I thought I 
> would give and update. 
> Over the years ( 63 yo) I have had so many bikes. I never raced, just was 
> an active club rider. A few centuries a year and mostly 35-50 mile rides.
> Okay I am an old fart, but the stability of Grant's handling dynamics 
> makes for a wonderful bike on long rides, especially hilly ones. There's 
> just something special about cruising down a hill at above 30 and floating 
>  over the marginal bumps and feeling confident missing the potholes from 
> hell. And to top it off, The frames are works of art.
> And then there's the fit. I need my bars high. I run my bars <1cm below my 
> saddle. It allows me to have a proper tilt on my saddle and less hands 
> problems on long rides. 
> Don Compton
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Re: [RBW] Novels???

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and for Walter Mitty-type male fantasy small size compensation
purposes, nothing at all, I say *nuthin *at all beats the endlessly
serialized Jack Reacher series by Lee Child. The niche is
semi-demi-hemi-literate escapist-brutal-doogooder-kill-all-the-bad-guys in
horrible ways fantasy. The movie was all wrong.

Ladies welcome, too. I will be curious to hear any lady's opinion of
Child's apparently endless series of Reacher novels.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Kindle has dozens if not hundreds of free or sub $3 books in the public
> domain. Do you like Kipling?
>
> "Can't say; I've never kipled." But no more of that. You can get Rudyard
> on Kindle; Kim is good. I just downloaded Plutarch and Tennyson, and I've
> got all of Willa Cather and Chesterton.
>
> Not free at all, but the Aubrey/Maturin series of Napoleonic British navy
> sailing life are pretty darned good and available on Kindle and in the
> library. Patrick O'Brian.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:51 PM, mike gasparino 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks!
>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Eunice Chang]

If you're curious can find history of QB here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/index.html

-E. (fellow QB owner in NC)

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Kieran J  wrote:

> From the listing pictures, that QB appears to be in really nice shape. I
> don't see anything obviously weird or concerning about it.
> Go for it!
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:02:28 AM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>
>> WOW, thanks for all the great feedback. It definitely sounds like a must
>> have bike. The bike is on Minneapolis Craigslist. The owner says he
>> purchased it from a collector in Colorado but doesn't know what year it is.
>> I live in NC so I'm not able to see the bike other than the pics. He is
>> asking $1200. Is there a way to determine year based on a serial number?
>> Also, does $1200 sound like a fair price? I don't know what QBs typically
>> bring. Based on the feedback I would love to purchase it but want to
>> proceed with caution. Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a
>> good LBS I can have the owner take it to for inspection and packaging /
>> shipping ?  Thanks again for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out.
>> Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 2:32:34 PM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I
>>> like the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently
>>> riding.  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to
>>> hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
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[RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Daniel D.]

maybe the returner has a set of brifters with just as much use still 
working quite well :p.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mount Laguna s24o

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Daniel,

The handlebar bag is an Acorn & the saddle sack is a medium.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



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> Hey Hugh,
>
> Thanks for sharing this one.
>
> Might I ask:
>
> 1. What handlebar bag are you using here?
> 2. What size saddlesack are you using: medium or large?
>
> Thanks,
> D.
>
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 2:44:19 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> This happened in the Southland over the 9/11 weekend.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/albums/72157656255990733
>>
>> It was cooler than at the coast with wide open vistas and superb dbl &
>> single track and the company wasn't bad either.
>>
>> Blessings to the 9/11 victims and their families.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[M D Smith]

Or something along these lines

http://problemsolversbike.com/blog/comments/how_to_make_skateboard_pedal_decks_for_clipless_pedals

Could just use regular ply wood.

-Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Joe Bernard]

Riv replaced it, and I have no problem "piling on" some jerk who sent a 
"failed; replace it" note for a part that obviously got much use and wore 
out. If you drive a car long enough, the moving parts in the engine will 
reach the end of their usefulness and require a rebuild or replacement. 
Good luck parking your old Chevy at the dealer and demanding they make 'er 
good as new at their cost. 

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 11:15:58 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Did I read it wrong? It sounded to me like Rivendell DID replace the 
> shifter. 
> I'm more uncomfortable with us piling on, than with the original Blug post 
> about it.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 8:46:23 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I think your opinion about the matter is entirely off center. Of course, 
>> we've not heard the other person's side of the story -- audiatur et alter 
>> pars! -- but as described in the Blug, the OP is a self involved jerk. 
>>
>> Grant has since Rivendell began soliloquized about running his business 
>> and his own emotional reactions to doing so; this is just one more of a 
>> similar series, and he is entirely in his right to do this. He disclosed no 
>> identity -- this is no public shaming! -- and he (Grant) is very obviously 
>> a person who is very troubled at having to reject stupid demands; this sort 
>> of soliloquy is, I gather, one way he deals with them.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Christopher Murray <
>> chrispm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In regards to the Silver shifter. Many, many things (especially high 
>>> quality things) come with a "lifetime guaranty". No company actually thinks 
>>> their product is going to last the lifetime of the purchaser, instead it is 
>>> for the lifetime of the product purchased. Most companies leave it up to 
>>> the customer to decide if the product failed before it should have failed 
>>> and if so are free to return it for repair or replacement. One person may 
>>> be satisfied after a year and another not satisfied if there is a problem 
>>> after 10. Vague warranties leave a lot up to the customer/ purchaser. 
>>> Rivendell's own non-warranty warranty is purposefully vague. This is how 
>>> things work and most good companies would be happy to make a customer 
>>> happy. The public shaming received from Grant is both cowardly and 
>>> shameful. If you don't want to replace it then tell the customer and if you 
>>> do want to replace it then do it graciously. I have handled hundreds (maybe 
>>> thousands) or returns for both good and bad reasons and have never seen a 
>>> company act like Rivendell/ Grant has acted.
>>>
>>> I am NOT the returner of said shifter.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the typos/ grammar, I'm writing this on my phone.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Chris
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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[john muhl]

Yeah the stitching for the shirt itself separate from the tag. Only rip out 
the red thread and you should be fine.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
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> Thanks.
>
> I'm curious, did you find another set of stitching underneath the tag that 
> holds the shirt together after tag removal?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:12:08 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>
>> Seam ripper 
>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=seam+ripper
>>
>> I removed the label from mine and you can't tell it was ever there to 
>> begin with.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure 
>>> looks to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in my 
>>> MUSA moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side seam.
>>>
>>> Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave you 
>>> with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the complete tag.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole in 
>>> the seam? If so, how was it done?
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>>>
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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[john muhl]

Seam 
ripper 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=seam+ripper

I removed the label from mine and you can't tell it was ever there to begin 
with.

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> The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure looks 
> to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in my MUSA 
> moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side seam.
>
> Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave you 
> with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the complete tag.
>
> Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole in 
> the seam? If so, how was it done?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot brake type?

[Philip Kim]

Nice, was debating the Cheviot but eventually got the Hillborne. I'll be 
looking out for the Chev on your blog.

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:15:11 AM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
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> Good morning all,
>
> I just picked up the used Cheviot that passed across the list, now I'm 
> ordering brakes for it. Just to confirm, it uses allen/recessed type 
> mounting, correct? 
>
> Just want to make sure Riv didn't go nutted for some reason.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
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[RBW] FS: Albastache

[Joe Bernard]

Near-perfect condition, unknown history before I bought it from a 
listmember recently, I rode it about 40 miles. I have once again reached 
the conclusion that the only bar I'm happy riding is the Albatross, so 
these go back in a box and off to someone else's house. $60 shipped or make 
offer if that seems high (I can't remember what I paid). Email or text 
415-786-4623 for pics.

Thanks,
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Novels???

[Steve Palincsar]

Actually, John Maddox Roberts - sorry about that...

On 09/16/2015 03:58 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

John Roberts Maddox's SPQR series;


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[RBW] non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure looks 
to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in my MUSA 
moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side seam.

Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave you 
with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the complete tag.

Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole in the 
seam? If so, how was it done?

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[Bill Lindsay]

I enjoyed The Circle, bought from Riv.  It's short-ish, if not short

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 7:03:22 AM UTC-7, mike gasparino wrote:
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> Hi folks, 
> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
> Michael 

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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[Kevin Lindsey]

Not short, not free (that I know of), but definitely Riv: "Remembrance of 
Things Past" by Marcel Proust.  No particular end goal to the novel, you 
can't get to the finish line in a hurry, it's endlessly lovely, and there's 
no way to tackle it except in a leisurely, winding way.
Kevin

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> Hi folks, 
> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
> Michael 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Novels???

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2015 02:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
Well, a brilliant and erudite classic combining mystery and romance is 
/Gaudy Night/, by Dorothy Sayers.  The only mystery I can think of 
where the crime is not a murder (thought there are some attempts).  
Lord Peter Wimsey at his most human, but the better character is the 
heroine, Harriet Vane.


Three cheers for LPW!  Although, personally, I prefer /Murder Must 
Advertise /and /The Nine Tailors./


Or a mystery in an entirely different style: /The Big Sleep/, by 
Raymond Chandler.  Hard-boiled, but often very funny.


A little something to go with that... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKmq9BivBL4   (actually, not /The Big 
Sleep/ but rather /Farewell My Lovely/)


And then, there's historical mystery.  Today, both LPW and R. Austin 
Freeman's Dr. Thorndyke qualify, because enough time has passed that the 
time periods they (at the time, contemporaneously) portray have become 
historical.  And if Rome's your thing, there are several terrific 
series.  Lindsey Davis' Marcus Didius Falco novels (starting with 
/Silver Pigs/) and now continuing with Flavia Albia; John Roberts 
Maddox's SPQR series; and of course Steven Saylor's Gordianius the 
Finder.  (Several others, too, but those are the major league.)  But no 
matter what your historical period, chances are you'll find someone 
writing historical mysteries about it.


And speaking about historical novels, I can't stop without mentioning 
Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series.  I saw him in person once, at 
the Library of Congress.  He'd come to give a reading.  In the audience 
were several honest to god captains of real life tall ships, at least 
one of whom had come across the entire country to come see him.


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RE: [RBW] Re: Novels???

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Definitely fun.  Definitely not short.  ;-)

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Novels???

I'm reading "Confederacy of Dunces" for the second time and really am enjoying 
it quite a bit. It's not short, but it is fun.


On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 9:03:22 AM UTC-5, mike gasparino wrote:
Hi folks,
Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks!
Michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Philip Williamson]

Did I read it wrong? It sounded to me like Rivendell DID replace the 
shifter. 
I'm more uncomfortable with us piling on, than with the original Blug post 
about it.

Philip
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On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 8:46:23 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I think your opinion about the matter is entirely off center. Of course, 
> we've not heard the other person's side of the story -- audiatur et alter 
> pars! -- but as described in the Blug, the OP is a self involved jerk. 
>
> Grant has since Rivendell began soliloquized about running his business 
> and his own emotional reactions to doing so; this is just one more of a 
> similar series, and he is entirely in his right to do this. He disclosed no 
> identity -- this is no public shaming! -- and he (Grant) is very obviously 
> a person who is very troubled at having to reject stupid demands; this sort 
> of soliloquy is, I gather, one way he deals with them.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Christopher Murray  > wrote:
>
>> In regards to the Silver shifter. Many, many things (especially high 
>> quality things) come with a "lifetime guaranty". No company actually thinks 
>> their product is going to last the lifetime of the purchaser, instead it is 
>> for the lifetime of the product purchased. Most companies leave it up to 
>> the customer to decide if the product failed before it should have failed 
>> and if so are free to return it for repair or replacement. One person may 
>> be satisfied after a year and another not satisfied if there is a problem 
>> after 10. Vague warranties leave a lot up to the customer/ purchaser. 
>> Rivendell's own non-warranty warranty is purposefully vague. This is how 
>> things work and most good companies would be happy to make a customer 
>> happy. The public shaming received from Grant is both cowardly and 
>> shameful. If you don't want to replace it then tell the customer and if you 
>> do want to replace it then do it graciously. I have handled hundreds (maybe 
>> thousands) or returns for both good and bad reasons and have never seen a 
>> company act like Rivendell/ Grant has acted.
>>
>> I am NOT the returner of said shifter.
>>
>> Sorry for the typos/ grammar, I'm writing this on my phone.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Chris
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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Thanks.

I'm curious, did you find another set of stitching underneath the tag that 
holds the shirt together after tag removal?

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:12:08 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:

> Seam ripper 
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=seam+ripper
>
> I removed the label from mine and you can't tell it was ever there to 
> begin with.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>>
>> The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure looks 
>> to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in my MUSA 
>> moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side seam.
>>
>> Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave you 
>> with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the complete tag.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole in 
>> the seam? If so, how was it done?
>>
>> Yours,
>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>>
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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[WETH]

*The Road*  by Cormac McCarthy
*On the Beach* by Nevil Shute

Two favorites of mine- a bit depressing however.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-4, mike gasparino wrote:
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> Hi folks, 
> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
> Michael 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Philip Williamson]

If it's green, it's a 2004. I don't think there was a second run of 
greenies. I much prefer the look of no mid-fork bosses, since the Nitto M12 
is the ideal rack for the QB - it attaches to the cantilever bosses for a 
clean, lightweight look. This bike has included fenders, pump, the stock 
build is nice, and it has pretty bar tape. It's in better condition than *my 
*60cm green QB, and I'd want more than $1200 for mine. 

Philip
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>
> WOW, thanks for all the great feedback. It definitely sounds like a must 
> have bike. The bike is on Minneapolis Craigslist. The owner says he 
> purchased it from a collector in Colorado but doesn't know what year it is. 
> I live in NC so I'm not able to see the bike other than the pics. He is 
> asking $1200. Is there a way to determine year based on a serial number? 
> Also, does $1200 sound like a fair price? I don't know what QBs typically 
> bring. Based on the feedback I would love to purchase it but want to 
> proceed with caution. Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a 
> good LBS I can have the owner take it to for inspection and packaging / 
> shipping ?  Thanks again for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out. 
>  Bill
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 2:32:34 PM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I 
>> like the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently 
>> riding.  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to 
>> hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
>>
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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[Surlyprof]

One of my all-time favoites is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" 
by Robert Pirsig (read 4 times).  Also recently really enjoyed "Super, Sad, 
True Love Story" by Gary Shteyngart.  A funny and horrifying vision of the 
future.  Seems extreme but, given the political and technological trends 
going on... not as far fetched as you would hope.  His writing was 
outstanding.  As much as I want to like Dave Eggers, "SSTLS" was way better 
than "The Circle" (IMO).

John


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> Hi folks, 
> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
> Michael 

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[RBW] Novels???

[islaysteve]

For short, try "Veronica" by Nicholas Christopher. If you like it, try his "A 
Trip to the Stars".  One of my all time Favorites is "Wonder Boys" by Michael 
Chabon, then anything else by him.  Have been reading aloud a lot with my wife; 
all these are books that we have read recently.  We couldn't get through " 
Confederacy of Dunces", go figure.  A very enjoyable nonfiction that we are 
just finishing is "Driving Mr. Albert" by Michael Paterniti, about a trip with 
the guy who "stole" Einstein's brain.  Very interesting, well written and 
entertaining.  Also try any of the mysteries by Bill Pronzini.  Most are short, 
lots of Bay Area and California settings.  Enjoy!

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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[Garth]

I remove tags all the time .  I don't know exactly where you are speaking 
of but there is really only 2 types of sewn tags, on seam or sewn on fabric 
independent of any seam.

For the on seam kind , I hold the garment in my lap , color up facing me. I 
hold the tag with my left hand , first 2 fingers nearest the seam at the 
end facing me. My right hand folds down the collar and back.  I use a pair 
of small Fiskars #4 detail scissors like these 
http://www.amazon.com/Fiskars-4-Inch-Detail-Scissors/dp/B000OQKNCU .   
You'll notice holding the tag like this you can see both top and bottom 
fabric easily .  With scissors in right hand start cutting the tag as close 
as you feel comfortable right up against the edge of both the collar and 
fabric. At first go slow if you don't feel confident, and make small cuts 
instead of one continuous one.  You'll get the hang of it.  About halfway 
through I reverse the fabric and start at the the other end and proceed the 
same.  Bravo well done !

The independently sewn on tags are easy. Just use a seam ripper from the 
tag side , using the tag as a buffer . Start slowly and proceed pulling 
gently the thread loose. Easy peasy !  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Bill Lindsay]

Philip

You didn't read it wrong.  There is no wrong, or right.  Different people 
focus their attention on different aspects of the story.  Some of us focus 
in on the rude note and think "what a jerk!"  Some of us focus in on the 
fact that Grant aired it out in public and think "what a cowardly and 
shameful thing to do!"

Personally, I focus in on the emotional part of it.  A lot of us that work 
retail or customer support are good at it because we care.  We're 
emotionally invested in our customers being happy.  Sometimes those of us 
in that line of work will be treated by our customer in a way that says: 

"you are bad. give me something for free. do it now. after you do it, you 
are still bad, and I will still badmouth you and your company"

When that happens (and it has happened multiple times to all of us in that 
line of work), it is a bummer.  To me, Grant's post was venting a bummer 
situation that bummed him out.  To me, it's a double bummer that his doing 
that is regarded by several of his devoted customers as a cowardly or 
shameful act.  Customer support is draining.  If you are doing customer 
support in a field that you also LOVE, it can be doubly draining.  I feel 
for him.  Working in the retail part of the bike business is the only thing 
(besides fatherhood) that I've ever been absolutely great at.  It doesn't 
pay, and sometimes it grinds you up.  I'm glad Grant has the BLUG to vent 
on things like this, and I hope he gets more "keep your chin up" responses 
than he does "that was shameful and cowardly".

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 11:15:58 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Did I read it wrong? It sounded to me like Rivendell DID replace the 
> shifter. 
> I'm more uncomfortable with us piling on, than with the original Blug post 
> about it.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[LeahFoy]

Just in case anyone is concerned about the aluminum in their deodorant, I make 
my own. Make a paste of baking soda and coconut oil (warmed so that it is 
liquid), add 10-15 drops of your favorite essential oil and store in a glass 
container. Works SO MUCH BETTER than Tom's and is also cheaper and mo better 
for you. I live in one of the hottest places in the US, so if it's working for 
me, I'd guess it would work for you!

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[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[LeahFoy]

Just in case anyone is concerned about the aluminum in their deodorant, I make 
my own. Make a paste of baking soda and coconut oil (warmed so that it is 
liquid), add 10-15 drops of your favorite essential oil and store in a glass 
container. Works SO MUCH BETTER than Tom's and is also cheaper and mo better 
for you. I live in one of the hottest places in the US, so if it's working for 
me, I'd guess it would work for you!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Novels???

[mike gasparino]

I'm going to the downtown bookstore tonight with a wish list! Thanks guys

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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[RobbeR49]

In the sci-fi & fantasy realm I would highly recommend anything by Jack 
Vance. Most of his novels are short.

For adventure Jim Corbett wrote a few books detailing his hunting of 
man-eating tigers and leopards in India that are quite good.




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> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
> Michael 

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[RBW] WTB 56cm or 58 cm Sam frameset

[mike gasparino]

Oh, and I don't mind either a single tt or 2tt. Like said above the more 
scratches the better. I have a offroadish group with bullmoose bars I'm looking 
to build as a fun camping bike!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Liesl]

Touché Bill! Grant keep your chin up!

Xxoo Liesl who worked in the restaurant industry for 10 years where people have 
been known to consume an entire meal and then complain about "cold hard 
Alfredo", wanting their entree comped

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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[john muhl]

Oh dang I see now you are talking about the tag rubbing your neck and I'm 
talking about the one below the front buttons. Sorry for the confusion.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:24:10 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
>
> I'm afraid we're talking about different tags or shirts here. The only red 
> thread on this shirt is holding on the buttons (and not all that well, but 
> that's a separate issue :)). My shirt has two tags of which I'm aware. One 
> is the red/white/blue MUSA tag, and it does not touch me when I'm wearing 
> the shirt. The other is the "content tag" sewn onto (into?) the interior of 
> the left side seam of the shirt's trunk. (Interestingly, onto the tag is 
> stitched the "spare button", held on to the tag with red thread.) It is the 
> content tag which I can feel when I'm wearing the shirt and which I'd like 
> to remove.
>
> It may be (and I would hope that it is) that the stitching holding the 
> content tag onto the shirt is separate from shirt's structural stitching. 
> But it sure doesn't look that way to me.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:30:39 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>
>> Yeah the stitching for the shirt itself separate from the tag. Only rip 
>> out the red thread and you should be fine.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> I'm curious, did you find another set of stitching underneath the tag 
>>> that holds the shirt together after tag removal?
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:12:08 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>>>
 Seam ripper 
 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=seam+ripper

 I removed the label from mine and you can't tell it was ever there to 
 begin with.

 On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn 
 Skean wrote:
>
> The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure 
> looks to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in 
> my 
> MUSA moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side 
> seam.
>
> Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave 
> you with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the 
> complete 
> tag.
>
> Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole 
> in the seam? If so, how was it done?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>


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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Yeah, maybe just a bit depressing... might as well add *Cat's Cradle* to 
that list! :-) 

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:08:15 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> *The Road*  by Cormac McCarthy
> *On the Beach* by Nevil Shute
>
> Two favorites of mine- a bit depressing however.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-4, mike gasparino 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks, 
>> Anyone have any good short novels they'd like to recommend? Thanks! 
>> Michael 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Novels???

[Bob Cook]

*A Month in the Country* by JL Carr.

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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I'm afraid we're talking about different tags or shirts here. The only red 
thread on this shirt is holding on the buttons (and not all that well, but 
that's a separate issue :)). My shirt has two tags of which I'm aware. One 
is the red/white/blue MUSA tag, and it does not touch me when I'm wearing 
the shirt. The other is the "content tag" sewn onto (into?) the interior of 
the left side seam of the shirt's trunk. (Interestingly, onto the tag is 
stitched the "spare button", held on to the tag with red thread.) It is the 
content tag which I can feel when I'm wearing the shirt and which I'd like 
to remove.

It may be (and I would hope that it is) that the stitching holding the 
content tag onto the shirt is separate from shirt's structural stitching. 
But it sure doesn't look that way to me.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:30:39 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:

> Yeah the stitching for the shirt itself separate from the tag. Only rip 
> out the red thread and you should be fine.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I'm curious, did you find another set of stitching underneath the tag 
>> that holds the shirt together after tag removal?
>>
>> Yours,
>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:12:08 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>>
>>> Seam ripper 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=seam+ripper
>>>
>>> I removed the label from mine and you can't tell it was ever there to 
>>> begin with.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
>>> wrote:

 The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure 
 looks to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in 
 my 
 MUSA moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side 
 seam.

 Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave 
 you with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the 
 complete 
 tag.

 Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole in 
 the seam? If so, how was it done?

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

It's a first generation (green) Quickbeam. Maybe with original tires??? I 
think $1200 is within reason, especially if they will work with you on 
shipping, paypal, etc. That was the original price IIRC, so they do hold 
their value. 58 & 60 are probably the most desirable sizes as well. What 
are you waiting for???



On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 11:13:07 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> If it's green, it's a 2004. I don't think there was a second run of 
> greenies. I much prefer the look of no mid-fork bosses, since the Nitto M12 
> is the ideal rack for the QB - it attaches to the cantilever bosses for a 
> clean, lightweight look. This bike has included fenders, pump, the stock 
> build is nice, and it has pretty bar tape. It's in better condition than *my 
> *60cm green QB, and I'd want more than $1200 for mine. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 7:02:28 AM UTC-7, Comotion001 wrote:
>>
>> WOW, thanks for all the great feedback. It definitely sounds like a must 
>> have bike. The bike is on Minneapolis Craigslist. The owner says he 
>> purchased it from a collector in Colorado but doesn't know what year it is. 
>> I live in NC so I'm not able to see the bike other than the pics. He is 
>> asking $1200. Is there a way to determine year based on a serial number? 
>> Also, does $1200 sound like a fair price? I don't know what QBs typically 
>> bring. Based on the feedback I would love to purchase it but want to 
>> proceed with caution. Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a 
>> good LBS I can have the owner take it to for inspection and packaging / 
>> shipping ?  Thanks again for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out. 
>>  Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 2:32:34 PM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I 
>>> like the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently 
>>> riding.  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to 
>>> hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[john muhl]

I'm talking about the big ol' MUSA tag; I thought I remembered it being 
sewn on with red thread. Whatever color the thread just stick to ripping 
out the stitching holding the tag on and you'll be fine; it is completely 
separate (on all MUSA stuff) from anything important.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:24:10 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
>
> I'm afraid we're talking about different tags or shirts here. The only red 
> thread on this shirt is holding on the buttons (and not all that well, but 
> that's a separate issue :)). My shirt has two tags of which I'm aware. One 
> is the red/white/blue MUSA tag, and it does not touch me when I'm wearing 
> the shirt. The other is the "content tag" sewn onto (into?) the interior of 
> the left side seam of the shirt's trunk. (Interestingly, onto the tag is 
> stitched the "spare button", held on to the tag with red thread.) It is the 
> content tag which I can feel when I'm wearing the shirt and which I'd like 
> to remove.
>
> It may be (and I would hope that it is) that the stitching holding the 
> content tag onto the shirt is separate from shirt's structural stitching. 
> But it sure doesn't look that way to me.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:30:39 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>
>> Yeah the stitching for the shirt itself separate from the tag. Only rip 
>> out the red thread and you should be fine.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> I'm curious, did you find another set of stitching underneath the tag 
>>> that holds the shirt together after tag removal?
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:12:08 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>>>
 Seam ripper 
 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=seam+ripper

 I removed the label from mine and you can't tell it was ever there to 
 begin with.

 On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn 
 Skean wrote:
>
> The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure 
> looks to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in 
> my 
> MUSA moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side 
> seam.
>
> Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave 
> you with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the 
> complete 
> tag.
>
> Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole 
> in the seam? If so, how was it done?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>


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Re: [RBW] Novels???

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2015 11:51 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Kindle has dozens if not hundreds of free or sub $3 books in the 
public domain. Do you like Kipling?


I'm puzzled: why would you pay three bucks for a free book in the public 
domain, when you could get it free?



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[RBW] WTB 56cm or 58 cm Sam frameset

[mike gasparino]

Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but if you have something similar to in 
capibility and price as a Sam I'm interested as well. 

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[RBW] Re: non-destructive complete removal of tag in MUSA moleskin shirt - anyone know how?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

No problem! Thanks for the consideration.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 5:36:36 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:

> Oh dang I see now you are talking about the tag rubbing your neck and I'm 
> talking about the one below the front buttons. Sorry for the confusion.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:24:10 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm afraid we're talking about different tags or shirts here. The only 
>> red thread on this shirt is holding on the buttons (and not all that well, 
>> but that's a separate issue :)). My shirt has two tags of which I'm aware. 
>> One is the red/white/blue MUSA tag, and it does not touch me when I'm 
>> wearing the shirt. The other is the "content tag" sewn onto (into?) the 
>> interior of the left side seam of the shirt's trunk. (Interestingly, onto 
>> the tag is stitched the "spare button", held on to the tag with red 
>> thread.) It is the content tag which I can feel when I'm wearing the shirt 
>> and which I'd like to remove.
>>
>> It may be (and I would hope that it is) that the stitching holding the 
>> content tag onto the shirt is separate from shirt's structural stitching. 
>> But it sure doesn't look that way to me.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:30:39 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah the stitching for the shirt itself separate from the tag. Only rip 
>>> out the red thread and you should be fine.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean 
>>> wrote:

 Thanks.

 I'm curious, did you find another set of stitching underneath the tag 
 that holds the shirt together after tag removal?

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 1:12:08 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:

> Seam ripper 
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps=seam+ripper
>
> I removed the label from mine and you can't tell it was ever there to 
> begin with.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn 
> Skean wrote:
>>
>> The tag in my MUSA moleskin shirt is slightly annoying. But it sure 
>> looks to me like ripping enough seam to completely get rid of the tag in 
>> my 
>> MUSA moleskin shirt will completely open a section of the shirt's side 
>> seam.
>>
>> Getting rid of part of the tag seems as though it would simply leave 
>> you with ragged edges of tag which would be more annoying than the 
>> complete 
>> tag.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience removing the tag without creating a hole 
>> in the seam? If so, how was it done?
>>
>> Yours,
>> Thomas Lynn Skean
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Recent Blug post; no date given, but perhaps it's today's, 0915.

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

And on top of that, that returned shifter was used as an 
example/illustration in a bigger observation.


On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 7:08:23 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> yep. i didn't even read it as a shaming, just Grant trying to be 
> transparent.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:46:40 AM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> I don't think you can call it a public shaming when no one has been named.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Comotion001]

Thanks Eunice for the QB info link.  I'm in the Charlotte area, where are 
you in NC?

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:26:44 PM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> If you're curious can find history of QB here:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/index.html 
>
> -E. (fellow QB owner in NC)
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Kieran J  > wrote:
>
>> From the listing pictures, that QB appears to be in really nice shape. I 
>> don't see anything obviously weird or concerning about it.
>> Go for it!
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:02:28 AM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:
>>
>>> WOW, thanks for all the great feedback. It definitely sounds like a must 
>>> have bike. The bike is on Minneapolis Craigslist. The owner says he 
>>> purchased it from a collector in Colorado but doesn't know what year it is. 
>>> I live in NC so I'm not able to see the bike other than the pics. He is 
>>> asking $1200. Is there a way to determine year based on a serial number? 
>>> Also, does $1200 sound like a fair price? I don't know what QBs typically 
>>> bring. Based on the feedback I would love to purchase it but want to 
>>> proceed with caution. Anybody on list live in Minneapolis or recommend a 
>>> good LBS I can have the owner take it to for inspection and packaging / 
>>> shipping ?  Thanks again for all the great feedback.  I hope it works out.  
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 2:32:34 PM UTC-4, Comotion001 wrote:

 I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I 
 like the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently 
 riding.  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to 
 hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill

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Re: [RBW] Novels???

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2015 07:57 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Steve, it's the difference between playing tennis in a wild, lumpy, 
unmarked meadow with occasional fire ant hills and on a beautiful 
grass court with net and court markings. Or in bike parlance between a 
fee set of rusty, wobbly dinged wheels and a new set of Rich wheels. 
Does that aid your rumination?






You do not do Project Gutenberg justice.


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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[john muhl]

The paint on my Waterford Atlantis is noticeably tougher than the paint on 
my Taiwanese Betty Foy or Toyo Saluki. So if you are choosing amongst Rivs 
based on paint toughness the Waterfords seem the clear winner to me.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-5, Richard L wrote:
>
> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave 
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that 
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.  
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the 
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.  
> Thanks.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Patrick Moore]

My first custom was Waterford build and painted. The build was very good;
the paint was indeed prone to chipping. But that was over 20 years ago; I
can't say if their paint today is the same.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 4:38:34 PM UTC-7, Richard L wrote:


> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.
> Thanks--
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Re: [RBW] Novels???

[Steve Palincsar]

I have no clue.  What's not to like about Project Gutenberg?

On 09/16/2015 07:47 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

You figure it out. I'll give you three guesses.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:



On 09/16/2015 11:51 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Kindle has dozens if not hundreds of free or sub $3 books in
the public domain. Do you like Kipling?


I'm puzzled: why would you pay three bucks for a free book in the
public domain, when you could get it free?



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Re: [RBW] Novels???

[Patrick Moore]

You figure it out. I'll give you three guesses.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 09/16/2015 11:51 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Kindle has dozens if not hundreds of free or sub $3 books in the public
>> domain. Do you like Kipling?
>>
>
> I'm puzzled: why would you pay three bucks for a free book in the public
> domain, when you could get it free?
>
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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Richard L]

My question is out of curiosity.  Just wondering if members' experiences 
are the same as what I've read elsewhere.  As with the vast majority of 
Rivendell owners, I have only good to say about Rivendell.  I'm currently 
not looking for another bike, and if I was it would be a Waterford-built 
Rivendell.  I'm confident that if the paint truly was a problem, Rivendell 
would make it right.  I've seen the feedback on D, and Joe Bell's comment 
about Rick, "Well, I guess you don't need me anymore."

Thanks.




 

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Paint

[Comotion001]

Richard, I own a 1992 Paramount, original owner, built and painted by 
Waterford, and a 2007 Waterford, both have excellent paint jobs and are 
holding up well. Bill

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 7:38:34 PM UTC-4, Richard L wrote:
>
> I've read on several other forums that Waterford paint jobs leave 
> something to be desired.  Complaints vary, with the most common being that 
> the paint does not hold up well, and chips and scratches very easily.  
> Although beausage is the sign of a bike that is ridden, I wonder if the 
> members with Waterford-painted Rivendells have had similar experiences.  
> Thanks.
>

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