Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Scott McLain]

Hi Tim,
I shared your thoughts when I bought my first Riv not long ago.  I enjoy the 
uniqueness of my Riv more and more.  It is unique in two ways, unique to 
typical bikes being sold today, but most importantly unique to me because I can 
customize it to make it "my own" (fenders, bar tape, etc.)

It may take you a few months to get used to it, but I think you will enjoy the 
extra unique/weird factor with the DTT.  It will be another thing that makes it 
uniquely yours!

Best,
Scott

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[RBW] Re: Hunq porteur options?

[Philip Kim]

If you decide to sell lmk.

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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Tim Gavin]

I'm 6'1" with a 91 pbh (shorter legs, ape arms and torso) and 225 lbs, and I'm 
very happy with my lighter-gauge Rivs.

I have a 1st-generation 59 cm Riv Road Standard (753 frame) that I've converted 
to 650 x 38 and I use as a Rando/tourer, and a 59 cm Roadeo that I use as a 
road/anyroad bike (currently 700 x 32 but it clears a 700 x 37).
I've never felt the need for the added stiffness or stoutness of a 2TT frame, 
and I'm not light. 

Riv/Waterford can make you a 1TT Hilsen with centerpull posts for a small 
up-charge, and I would consider that a perfect do-anything bicycle: comfortable 
enough for a whole day in the saddle, enough clearance for Barlows and fenders, 
and still fast enough.

A 2TT bike would be great as well, but I don't feel the need.

Cheers,
Tim

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same story 
> as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on expensive 
> bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I have decided 
> that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so the word 
> "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my bike for 
> the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 hours on the 
> bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike has returned.  
> So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. I have pretty 
> much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with a PBH height of 
> 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one of those guys who 
> needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for beautiful bicycles I am 
> struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top tubes. Is there any other 2TT 
> owners who had similar hesitation? What has your experience been? I am 
> wondering if it is something I'll eventually become accustomed to. Please let 
> me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
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[RBW] FS: IRD Defiant Crank and SKF BB

[Mattt]

1. IRD Defiant Fixed Crankset.  170mm arm length.  1/8" x 46T. 144 BCD.  I 
was going to put on my Quickbeam, but I sold it.  Set is in great shape. 
 Price is $85 Shipped



2. SKF Bottom Bracket.  113mm JIS Spindle.  Not sure how many miles.  I 
bought second hand and turned out I didn't need the size.  Price is $70 
Shipped.







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[RBW] Appaloosa, mo bettah pics (hopefully)

[Joe Bernard]

I've seen both live in color, and my impression is that the Clem blue is ever 
so slightly darker than Appa, but it's close enough that it could be a trick of 
light, or even that Clem doesn't have a contrasting headtube. It's definitely 
close enough to say I'd buy it..the blue Clem is gorgeous. 

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Re: [RBW] 205k Eastern Shore Maryland/Delaware Brevet with DC Randonneurs

[Steve Palincsar]

And from now till the end of time, you can call yourself a randonneur.  
And that's not nothin'.


On 07/07/2016 09:01 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

This ride is the one but in 2015 the road to the beach was out so they had to alter that 
part of the route and I guess thats why they changed the name to "Eastern 
Shore" this time.

Also, I couldn't get a medsl brcause it wasnt ACP sanctioned, possibly because 
the route change happened too soon before the event to get sanctioned. Not sure.

So I could not get a medal for completing it. Bummer. Of course, all the Rando 
peeps are probably laughing at me here for my miniscule accomplishment, but 
since I am not really randonneur material I was looking forward to the medal. 
Oh well. I have the memories!



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[RBW] Appaloosa, mo bettah pics (hopefully)

[LLM]

Joe, do you know if your Joe is the same color as the more recent Clem Smith 
Jr. blue?  I've waffled between the blue and dk mustard for my L-style Clem 
pre-order.  If the Clem blue is as pretty in person as you make the Joe blue 
sound, I might have to see if I can still change my order!
Linda

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Looks like we have 24 preorders!! By all accounts it looks like a go! Yahoo!!

+1 on Ryan being awesome

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[Will]

I think I'd give RIv a call and see how this works... It's one of the RIv 
ready-to-ride specials. 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hilsen-67x.htm

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> Hello All, 
>
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same 
> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on 
> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I 
> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so 
> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my 
> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 
> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike 
> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. 
> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with 
> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one 
> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for 
> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top 
> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has 
> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually 
> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[cyclotourist]

Rayn, you are awesome! Just thought it needed to be said!

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> Blakcloud,
>
> Where in Canada are you?  I plan on picking mine up and driving back to 
> Michigan if delivery would help you avoid the surcharges of shipping etc.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
> (616)928-4226
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"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal

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[RBW] New Rivendell

[Garth]

I got my Bombadil sight unseen and never owned a sloping tt bike let alone 
double parallel.  I too had ridden  only level tt road racing frames other than 
a Stumpjumper .  Is the double tt necessary ?not really but I discovered it 
makes for a great carry handle ànd is a preferred place to clamp on the repair 
stand , which being tall is really nice to  work on the bike.  Aesthetically , 
I just look at it as different, by now I don't even think about it as it is 
really just another bike . It is an efective way to raise the bars though which 
I never would have thought I would enjoy so much !  So what if it looks 
different than what I was used to,  I quickly get over myself and all those 
silly ideas of what is "supposed" to be , or not, either way . so what so 
what so what ?!!  Ride on ...

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[drew]

I really like the 2tt, but understand the hesitation. Sometimes it draws 
attention, and you'll have to answer questions about it from the sceptical and 
the sincerely interested.

There are a few big atlanti and a 61cm homer on eBay right now, if you can't 
come to terms with it. 

The pump issue is a legitimate benefit. Hard using a pump along the top tube on 
a normal bike now. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[David Stein]

Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is free
then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut Creek
and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then down to
BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from
Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down
through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded
Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of
pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.

I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I trust the
Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a hatchet
>> from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved the
>> idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to keep
>> it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little
>> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I
>> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if
>> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high
>> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>>
>> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in a
>> few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)?
>>
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Re: [RBW] 205k Eastern Shore Maryland/Delaware Brevet with DC Randonneurs

[Lungimsam]

This ride is the one but in 2015 the road to the beach was out so they had to 
alter that part of the route and I guess thats why they changed the name to 
"Eastern Shore" this time.

Also, I couldn't get a medsl brcause it wasnt ACP sanctioned, possibly because 
the route change happened too soon before the event to get sanctioned. Not sure.

So I could not get a medal for completing it. Bummer. Of course, all the Rando 
peeps are probably laughing at me here for my miniscule accomplishment, but 
since I am not really randonneur material I was looking forward to the medal. 
Oh well. I have the memories!

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[Deacon Patrick]

My Hunqapillar has a diagitube, which is even more odd ball than 2TT. But 
then I'm not one concerned with appearence, I happily contribute to 
beausage through mud and rocks through use bikepacking and singletracking.

However, I'd question your statement that "I'll be one of those guys who 
needs a 2TT design." Maybe, maybe not. I have a Quickbeam (66cm) that is 
single TT and it rides beautifully, including underbiking on singletrack. 
Conclusion: talk with Rivendell. They'll steer you right (and threaded, 
unless you go tandem. Grin.)!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 5:08:55 PM UTC-6, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hello All, 
>
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same 
> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on 
> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I 
> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so 
> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my 
> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 
> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike 
> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. 
> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with 
> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one 
> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for 
> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top 
> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has 
> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually 
> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
>

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[RBW] New Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

I'm way too short for the double-tubers, which is kind of a bummer. I dig 'em.

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Surlyprof]

I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.

John

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a hatchet 
> from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved the 
> idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to keep 
> it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little 
> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I 
> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if 
> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high 
> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>
> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in a 
> few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)? 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell

[Surlyprof]

I own a 56 single tube Hillborne but have always coveted the 2tt model even 
though 2 tubes are not needed in a 56.  I've always loved the more unique 
look of the double tube and would also really appreciate being able to 
carry a frame pump between tubes.  Often, when I lift the bike to go down 
stairs or to put it on the stand, I disengage the frame pump.  The second 
tube would reduce that potential greatly.

Enjoy your Sam.
John

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 4:08:55 PM UTC-7, Tim Bantham wrote:
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> Hello All, 
>
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same 
> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on 
> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I 
> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so 
> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my 
> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 
> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike 
> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. 
> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with 
> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one 
> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for 
> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top 
> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has 
> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually 
> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!  
>

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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hi Tim,

Welcome.

To own a 2TT bicycle is a joy some will never experience. I like the look.
The second tube provides a spot for the pump to be out of the way.

Rejoice in you good fortune.

Ride well,

Curtis "who has two 2TT bicycles" McKenzie

On Thursday, July 7, 2016, Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My
> story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same
> story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on
> expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I
> have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so
> the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my
> bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3
> hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike
> has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short.
> I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with
> a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one
> of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for
> beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top
> tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has
> your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually
> become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] 205k Eastern Shore Maryland/Delaware Brevet with DC Randonneurs

[Steve Palincsar]

You know DC Rand in the past has had a very popular 200K brevet in 
November starting in Centreville MD, going out to Slaughter Beach? 
Flatbread 200K.


On 07/07/2016 06:27 PM, Lungimsam wrote:
Like I said, I don't think I am fast or hardy enough for 
Randonneuring. I cannot imagine 10,000 feet of climbing and riding in 
sub-freezing temps all day, which is what the local Rando club does 
around here in the Maryland winters. George and one of the other club 
members have committed to riding 200k's every month and have been 
doing so in all kinds of weather for 10 years now. I cannot imagine.


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[RBW] Re: Hunq porteur options?

[Thomas Bielavitz]

Thanks, yes, a plumbing tube bender is helpful for getting the tubes bent 
symmetrically around the braze-on centerpulls. Not sure exactly how it 
would line up w/ cantis, but that seems likely. 

BTW, the Surly tubes are stiffer than the Nitto. I don't think you'd need a 
bender for the Nittos (other than for accuracy) but it was necessary for 
the Surly tubes. They also weigh more, but cut short as pictured the weight 
isn't much at all. 

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:24:46 AM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> That's clever. I assume you bent the stays in order to clear the 
> centerpull brakes? Presumably with cantis you could just keep the stays 
> straight and cut them to length. Thanks for the idea!
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 5:02:52 PM UTC-7, Thomas Bielavitz wrote:
>>
>> I use a M-18 rack on my Rambler and had the same concerns. I wanted to 
>> take advantage of the fork crown mounts on top of the fork. So, I bought 
>> the Surly Nice Rack Upper Kit:
>>
>> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=23930&category=3537
>>
>> Attached is a photo of what it looks like. So, It's now attached to the 2 
>> fork crown mounts, the standard center mounting bolt, and the mid-fork 
>> mounts. Seems plenty burly to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:43:42 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
>>> I routinely load my Nitto mini front rack to the limits of my comfort, 
>>> and I'm in the market for something that safely can accommodate heavier 
>>> loads. I'm soliciting input on porteur racks such as those from Soma, VO, 
>>> and the newish Surly 24-pack. I'm particularly curious about whether the 
>>> Surly rack attachments align decently with the fork crown mounts on my Hunq.
>>>
>>> Cross-posting to the internet-bob list, sorry if it causes inbox clutter.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[John Buglino]

+1 Preorder.  Wife and I have nil tandem experience but have always wanted 
one.  Bike looks great in the photos and deal was too good to pass up. 
 Hoping that orange is one of the final colors.  

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 8:43:21 AM UTC-4, Julian wrote:
>
> The preorder for the Rivendell Hubbuhubbuh tandem is now live. Link and 
> information on the blug. Really good pre-order pricing (which includes 
> frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket eccentric, two seat posts, and a 
> stoker stem) until this Friday, July 8. This looks like it will be a fun 
> bike, well priced. Options to buy frame or with parts pachages, assembled 
> or not (freight on a fully assembled tandem is fearsome, although there are 
> creative options for some -- e.g. Amtrak freight). Anyone else on the list 
> planning on riding in style in their neighborhood on a Hubbuhubbuh? 
>
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunq porteur options?

[Mathew Greiner]

I have a Pass & Stow and it's great. Though I'm tempted to sell it for 
something more low profile. With a large Wald it can carry anything. The 
guy who runs it (& makes everything) is extraordinarily helpful, and gets 
very involved with questions of fit.

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 12:24:46 PM UTC-5, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> That's clever. I assume you bent the stays in order to clear the 
> centerpull brakes? Presumably with cantis you could just keep the stays 
> straight and cut them to length. Thanks for the idea!
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 5:02:52 PM UTC-7, Thomas Bielavitz wrote:
>>
>> I use a M-18 rack on my Rambler and had the same concerns. I wanted to 
>> take advantage of the fork crown mounts on top of the fork. So, I bought 
>> the Surly Nice Rack Upper Kit:
>>
>> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=23930&category=3537
>>
>> Attached is a photo of what it looks like. So, It's now attached to the 2 
>> fork crown mounts, the standard center mounting bolt, and the mid-fork 
>> mounts. Seems plenty burly to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:43:42 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
>>> I routinely load my Nitto mini front rack to the limits of my comfort, 
>>> and I'm in the market for something that safely can accommodate heavier 
>>> loads. I'm soliciting input on porteur racks such as those from Soma, VO, 
>>> and the newish Surly 24-pack. I'm particularly curious about whether the 
>>> Surly rack attachments align decently with the fork crown mounts on my Hunq.
>>>
>>> Cross-posting to the internet-bob list, sorry if it causes inbox clutter.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] New Rivendell

[Tim Bantham]

Hello All, 

I discovered the group today and decided to jump in and ask a question. My 
story is like many that you may have heard before. Maybe it's the same 
story as yours. After a decade of racing and spending tons of money on 
expensive bikes only to find that I am just not that comfortable on them I 
have decided that I was going to give Rivendell a try. I no longer race so 
the word "train" is no longer in my vocabulary. Now I like to just ride my 
bike for the pure enjoyment. Once I shed the burden of having to put in 3 
hours on the bike in pursuit of a training goal the joy of riding my bike 
has returned.  So in the interest of brevity I will keep my question short. 
I have pretty much decided that I will get the Sam Hilborne. I'm 6' 1" with 
a PBH height of 95 CM. Long legs, long arms and a short torso. I'll be one 
of those guys who needs a 2TT design. As one who has an appreciate for 
beautiful bicycles I am struggling a bit with the appearance of 2 top 
tubes. Is there any other 2TT owners who had similar hesitation? What has 
your experience been? I am wondering if it is something I'll eventually 
become accustomed to. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Technomic 9cm stem-Extra Tall

[mikel66...@juno.com]

all,

i believe the stem is an 8cm stem, i measured from the front of the hex bolt to 
the center of the bar clamp

the quill measures 280mm

mike goldman
warwick,r.i.


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[RBW] 205k Eastern Shore Maryland/Delaware Brevet with DC Randonneurs

[Lungimsam]

Forgot to mention that this ride was in November, 2015, in flattish, Maryland 
farmland. The manure/fertilizer smell was intense in the air for most of the 
ride! They must fertilize in the fall!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Technomic 9cm stem-Extra Tall

[John Hawrylak]

Does this have the 225mm quill???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown N

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 7:03:53 AM UTC-4, mike goldman wrote:

> very good condition 
>
> taller than the standard which is on the left in the first picture 
>
> 25.4 bar clamp 
>
> $40 shipped 
>
> mike goldman 
> warwick,r.i. 
>
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[RBW] 205k Eastern Shore Maryland/Delaware Brevet with DC Randonneurs

[Lungimsam]

Started in Centreville, MD and went to Milford and Milton Delaware and back.

129 Miles

*Bike and weather:*

On 53 Bleriot. Noodles. Loups. 50’s-60’sF. Rainy and cloudy all day. Light 
rain off and on and a little steady at times, but light enough to be fun. 
Beautiful day in warm enough temps. The rain was light enough to be no 
problem. It can be fun to ride in a light rain. The overcast skies and cool 
air add to the interesting and beautiful ambiance.

It was overcast and dim outside. Light rain off and on all day. I was so 
anxious about the ride, being my first brevet that I didn't sleep at all 
the night before. I am not Randonneur material. Just not a hardy person. 
But I wanted to go a little further than Centuries, so I tried it.

*The Ride:*

The ride started at about 7am. Everyone took off into the early morning 
gloom (50 riders?) from the lot and I was one of the last out of the lot. I 
jumped ahead and figured I’d ride mid-pack so that as we spread out I would 
still have people behind me and I wouldn’t be last. I felt it would be good 
to have some riders behind me as the ride went on in case I needed 
something, or couldn’t make out a turn. I could always try to manage until 
the next rider came along and get assistance if needed. Ha! I quickly fell 
to the back of the pack! Silly me, thinking I could keep up with 
Randonneurs!

The sun was up but it was overcast and cool and a little dark. It was a 
nice ambiance to ride in, though a little gloomy.

I tried to keep up with the front group. So I figured if I could keep them 
in sight I could follow them and not worry about missing the turns so much. 
But they were going fast and I knew I shouldn’t go too hard in the 
beginning. I started to get into a more forever speed and relaxed back into 
the pack. There seemed to be the front group, a middle group, and those 
behind me. Like maybe 5-10 people.  Me and another guy were sort of in the 
middle of the last two groups. Soon I was passed by three more people. I 
kept going and it was a nice ride. I could see people in the distance to 
follow on turns. I tried to keep them in sight. It was easy going and not 
too fast. I was having fun. Soon the other rider with me moved on ahead and 
I was coming to the first info control. It asked how many tiers the 
birdhouse, just after a turn had. I counted three and discussed it with a 
small group of riders from ahead of me who had stopped to check it out. 
They moved on and as I was finishing, two more riders came up from behind – 
George and Jonathan.

We rode together a little and George introduced himself. We chatted for a 
while, but then they moved on ahead of me. I knew I was one of the last 
ones at that point. I am just soo slwww. I followed the cue sheet 
and took the turns easily. It was pretty much flat and easy going. I was 
confident and happy. But it was starting to rain a little. I looked for the 
next control listed on the cue sheet and it was at mile 50. I thought that 
was far for a control, but it was a 205k ride so I guess they had to be far 
apart. I think at around mile 28 there was a gas station/convenience store, 
and I figured I’d stop there for a quick break and to get a drink to 
resupply. Some of the riders from up ahead had the same idea and we chatted 
about our bikes. They took off and I did soon after. It was light and 
rained off and on for the first part of the ride. Not hard enough to put on 
the rain gear, though. I kept going and was enjoying the ride. I think I 
was mostly alone at that point. As I entered Milford, Delaware, near the 
next control, I rode down the main looking street. I asked someone in a car 
where the turn I was looking for was, and he said just ahead. I went along 
and stopped at Dolce coffee place, as it was an open control in Milford and 
you could stop anywhere to get a receipt. There were some seats inside and 
outside on the sidewalk. Riders were hanging out and eating and drinking 
and taking their break. I got a coke and a Gatorade and ate a little. The 
more remote towns on the Eastern shore of Maryland and into Delaware seem 
to be only several square blocks between miles of farmland, and this was no 
different. I enjoy riding through these towns and wonder about the 
inhabitants and what they do for a living all the way out in such remote 
places that allows them to live in such beautiful towns like this one.

After the break I started out alone again and double checked myself on the 
little map I had cut out from a cycling map of the Delmarva peninsula I 
bought. It was great and came in handy a few times to help me check where I 
was to make sure I didn’t overshoot any turns and I was still going the 
right way. *I’ll have to remember to try to bring a map like that on 
brevets with the route traced out by me in highlight pen for easy 
orienteering. *It was good to have along, though I only needed it a few 
times.

At mile 60, the next info control came up asking a T or F 

[RBW] Re: Singletrack with my eldest and her Clementine

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Lovelly! I like the way your daughter used the two bicycles to frame the 
shot of you sitting cross-legged. If everyone were issued a Clem(entine) at 
14 instead of a driver's license at 16...that would be cool.

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 5:25:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> What a gift to get to ride to the top of Lovell Gulch and then down the 
> single track of Lovell Gulch near Woodland Park with my eldest today. 
> Awesome ride and among one of her longest to date.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157667890405824
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB nitto rear bag support

[Conway Bennett]

I bought this big beautiful bag from David Banzer for my Sam and am looking for 
either/or or both/and nitto r10 and r12 rear bag supports.  I'm not really a 
rack type of person, the one I've ever found palatable is the tubus duo.  I 
know these two have been discussed and subsequently offered for sale so if you 
got one still sitting around give me your price.  Thanks in advance!

Fair winds,

Captain Conway

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[masmojo]

You know when Grant started mentioning it on his Blug and he said it was hoing 
to b e Downtown.  Somehow,  I was picturing in my head, San Francisco. The idea 
that it was a 3 blocks away never really sank in til I was there!
That in turn, makes me think that an outpost (not necessarily a BBH) might make 
a lot of sense in another location!? Like maybe Berkeley or even Fairfax? Some 
place close, but not too close. 

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[RBW] 2016 Maryland/Delware Bay to Bay Century Ride Report

[Lungimsam]

 

*Bay to Bay Century Ride*

6/26/2016, Sunday

1638 climbing feet and max grade was 2.7%.

107 Miles

On 53 Bleriot. Sunny. 60’s -80’s. Wore one wool t-shirt, Nike Sneakers, 
wool cycling shorts, RBW Summer gloves, Helmet, cotton socks, RUSA 
reflective vest. Beautiful day and clear skies. Lots of sunlight. I got a 
little sun-burned. I always thought wearing seer sucker was going a little 
too far with the whole Riv thing, but after this sun burning ride, I can 
see the wisdom if it.

*Background:* Because it was on Maryland's eastern shore, I thought it 
would be flat, but it wasn’t. It went from Betterton, MD, to Woodland 
Beach, Delaware, and back to Betterton in one loop.

*Climbing:* Nothing bad and no hard efforts, but this century was like one 
step up in hilliness from the totally flat Seagull or Six Pillars in 
Maryland I reported on here in the past. The roads were like tilted. Long 
straightaways that were tilted a little up or down or flat. Ride with GPS 
said 1638 climbing feet and max grade was 2.7%. But I thought there were a 
couple 4% grades. But they were all easy. I could spin along fast on all of 
them except a couple. I used my big ring most of the time, but sometimes 
had to get in the middle ring, especially during the last 20 miles when I 
started getting tired. So it was climbing that was between Seagull/Six 
Pillars and Lifeline100/Indian Head 100 Maryland Centuries.

*The Roads: *Starting out the roads were pristine new tar looking. With 
some kind of shiny stuff in them. In the early morning sunlight  it looked 
like thousands of stars on the road. It was very pretty and made it a fun 
first part of the ride. There were only two bad roads I remember. One was 
lumpy and had what looked like patchwork the same color as the main tar on 
the road. Gave it a moon like landscape crater look. The other was lumpy 
and harder to get through. Felt bumpier and slow. Then there were the 
smooth but rough surface, bleached out roads. Almost all the roads were in 
good condition, and only a few times saw short busted up sections. Good 
shoulders. Quiet. Not much traffic at all.

*The Ride:* Started out on those starry roads. Clear, sunny skies. Just 
beautiful and perfect weather. Had a great time starting and not many 
people around at all. The whole ride I rode alone with only people 
occasionally passing me and me passing them at times, though that was rare. 
Maybe hundreds had signed up. Looked like most were not doing the century 
from the roster I saw at sign in. As I got about 10 miles into the ride, I 
ran through a field of glass and got my first flat. I took off the tire and 
tube, and installed the new spare tire (field repair style), since the 
tread on the old one was almost all the way worn down. Last fall I noticed 
the tread wore off the old tire and decided, next flat I would switch it 
with this new one. That or when the casing wore through, whichever came 
first. So I replaced it with the new spare tire I had been carrying with me 
since last fall. Yay! No more spare to carry around! Makes more room in the 
handlebar bag! 650b Loup.

I got back on and started riding, knowing the first rest stop wasn’t far 
into the ride. I moved quickly through the first stop. Trying to make up 
the time I spent fixing the flat. Being a slow rider, I wanted to make the 
last rest stop in time before they closed. And also thought it would be fun 
to catch the people who went ahead of me when I flatted. At mile 19, I 
crossed the MD/Delaware line at Caldwell Corners.

On to the next stop. The last 10 miles before the stop were in farm fields, 
but also wetlands of some sort that had reeds and canals through them. 
During the last 8 miles, which ended at the Woodland Beach, Delaware, flies 
started attacking me. I didn’t know what was going on. I thought bees were 
trying to sting me. But turns out they were flies. The flew along side me 
and out in front of me and I think I got bit twice in the behind and they 
kept hitting me in the back, and mostly on the back of my head just under 
the bottom edge of the helmet in the center. I don’t know why they liked 
that spot. At the rest stop, there were hundreds swarming, but they seemed 
to mostly stayed up under the gazebo ceiling and not come down to us. There 
was a beautiful view of the bay. There was a nuclear reactor off in the 
distance. I was told that it was the Salem reactor in Salem, New Jersey. 
After a short rest, I started up again, and went back to a town called 
Smyrna by backtracking on the same road as the flies again attacked along 
the way. There were headwinds during most of the ride but they were minor.  
Just like breezes.

My right thigh had been acting up this last week or so  and I was hoping it 
would be ok, so I went easy during the ride and tried not to push things so 
much, being very careful to not overdo it. My leg felt fine and was doing 
fine the whole ride so far.  I noticed that when I was warmed up and riding

[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[Abcyclehank]

Blakcloud,

Where in Canada are you?  I plan on picking mine up and driving back to 
Michigan if delivery would help you avoid the surcharges of shipping etc.  

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
(616)928-4226

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[RBW] Re: FS: Hetres

[Lungimsam]

PS- forgot to mention  both have very thin, almost undetectable (except for 
neurotic close up looking, can see in rear tire pic), superficial split 
around circumference where a molding line is. My Rivish LBS (College Park 
Bikes) said it is cosmetic and irrelevant. I forgot the exact explanation. 
I think they said something about an overlaying layer of rubber where that 
happens and it means nothing. Every Panaracer tire I have had developed 
these. Yours probably has them too if you look close enough.

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[KC]

If I hadn't happened to walk by BBH after dinner when we randomly stayed in 
Walnut Creek on the way home from visiting our son in the Bay Area, I 
probably wouldn't have my Cheviot.  Actually if Grant hadn't been there, 
introduced himself and suggested a stop at HQ the next day to look at 
bikes, I probably wouldn't have my Cheviot.  That would be pretty sad for 
me.  I guess I was very lucky.  

>
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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[Bob B]

Radivist says the HH is "Designed with Clem Smith, Jr." ... hehe... 

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[RBW] Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[Bill Lindsay]

Never mind selling my Ibis, I'm in!  It's a bicycle and cycling experience that 
cannot be duplicated non-custom at any price. I'd be dumb not to jump in. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Joe Bernard]

Drew, there's nothing strange about visiting RBW as a non-bike-buyer. Anyone 
with 3 Rivs already has major dollars invested in the company, and undoubtedly 
still buys stuff from them. My policy for any bike shop visit is to buy 
something, which I'm sure most of us do when we drop by World Headquarters. I 
know Grant & Co appreciate it. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunq porteur options?

[Jay Lonner]

That's clever. I assume you bent the stays in order to clear the centerpull 
brakes? Presumably with cantis you could just keep the stays straight and 
cut them to length. Thanks for the idea!
Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 5:02:52 PM UTC-7, Thomas Bielavitz wrote:
>
> I use a M-18 rack on my Rambler and had the same concerns. I wanted to 
> take advantage of the fork crown mounts on top of the fork. So, I bought 
> the Surly Nice Rack Upper Kit:
>
> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=23930&category=3537
>
> Attached is a photo of what it looks like. So, It's now attached to the 2 
> fork crown mounts, the standard center mounting bolt, and the mid-fork 
> mounts. Seems plenty burly to me. 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 1:43:42 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>> I routinely load my Nitto mini front rack to the limits of my comfort, 
>> and I'm in the market for something that safely can accommodate heavier 
>> loads. I'm soliciting input on porteur racks such as those from Soma, VO, 
>> and the newish Surly 24-pack. I'm particularly curious about whether the 
>> Surly rack attachments align decently with the fork crown mounts on my Hunq.
>>
>> Cross-posting to the internet-bob list, sorry if it causes inbox clutter.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunq porteur options?

[Thomas Bielavitz]

Thanks, Garth. The Surly tubes are slightly larger, but the clamps were 
still capable of securely engaging the narrower Nitto diameter. 

Also, for the application as pictured a plumbing tube bender is helpful for 
getting the tubes bent symmetrically around the braze-on centerpulls. I 
happened to have a cheap one, I think it cost about $12 from home depot a 
few years ago. 



On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 7:46:13 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> Thomas,  nice and great idea ! Those Surly kits seem very very versatile 
> for any rack with round tubes.   I have always wondered, is the diameter of 
> the Surly rods the same as the Nitto ?
> .

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto 32F rack; Nitto Mark M1 Flat Rack

[Belopsky]

all is gone. thanks

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[drew]

That's a shame. We have unavoidable family in Lafayette, and getting to go by 
riv and bbh was always my consolation prize.
We are a 3 rivendell household, and I always feel a little strange going to 
rivhq, since I'm not gonna be buying another bike. Bbh was a great place to 
see/touch all the new and weird stuff. It's still the only place I've seen my 
wife get excited about buying things for her bike.

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[John A. Bennett]

Operating a small shop selling stuff you like - and that you hope others 
like, too - is a dicey business these days. 

And if you sell anything that can also be had online, it's 
double-dog-dicey. 

The experience of a place (and the people) like Bike, Book & Hatchet cannot 
be duplicated on a web site. 

John Bennett
Portland, Oregon





On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:29:11 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> I've been out of the country so maybe I missed the announcement. I just 
> saw on the Radavist that BBH was closing. Was this known or new info?
>
> -Justin 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Curious what kind of Santana you have,and is it set up with upright bars. I 
have been on the HHH list, but my circumstances have changed and I cannot 
afford one. I was lucky enough to pick up a Santana Vision, circa early 90s 
with 7speed bar ends and 26" wheels. I put on 2.1 Tioga powerblocks and 
some crank shorteners. Waiting for some long cable and I will swap the 
front drops for Boscos or Albatross, but on our short test rides, I really 
like it. Does not exhibit tank-like qualities. I'm hoping it is 87.6 
percent of the HHH.

I would dearly love to get an the HHH, and I also don't like to go on about 
a "poor man's Rivendell" but there is just no way I can even think of 
getting one. I do think they will be highly sought after in the future, 
based on reports that they have a Clemish ride quality.

On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 7:58:15 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> The captain definitely needs to be able to stand solidly with both feet on 
> the ground.  The stoker need not be able to straddle.  If their legs are 
> too short for the little ones, then you can get crank shorteners that will 
> allow you to get an extra inch or two higher in terms of legs being able to 
> reach the pedals firmly.
>
> --My wife says I need to get rid of our Santana tandem if I want to buy 
> the Riv tandem (she is the voice of reason). The Santana rides like a tank 
> compared to the Riv tandem which I test drove. With that said, does anyone 
> want to buy my tank?  :)
>
> Toshi
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Ginz > 
> wrote:
>
>> Not that I have $1,600 in my art budget, but I would love to buy one, 
>> hang it on the wall and await he growth of my children.
>>
>> However, that standover on the smallest size is just about .5 to 1.0" too 
>> much for me to even possibly straddle, which, on a tandem, seems important.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[cyclotourist]

This is such a tough call... I have a perfectly good $600 tandem
collecting dust in the garage. It gets used maybe four times a year.
And it's set up pretty nicely, seen here set up with Little Big Bens:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23046471715/in/photostream/lightbox/
I really want to have a fat-tired 650B tandem, and have even
considered moving the canti posts down on our tandem to get that.
So long/short is that I don't know if getting a $3000 (full build)
tandem is going to change how often we go for rides.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
> That's about the same math I did too .. :-\
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 9:29:09 AM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of it and I have another 30 hours to decide but what is
>> holding me back is the added cost for living in Canada. With the exchange
>> rate, shipping and sales tax, I get dinged for about $2600 for the basic
>> frame. I have ridden tandems with my wife and we really enjoyed the
>> experience and have talked about getting a tandem.
>>
>> The clock is ticking. . .
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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[Kieran J]

That's about the same math I did too .. :-\

KJ


On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 9:29:09 AM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote:
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> I am thinking of it and I have another 30 hours to decide but what is 
> holding me back is the added cost for living in Canada. With the exchange 
> rate, shipping and sales tax, I get dinged for about $2600 for the basic 
> frame. I have ridden tandems with my wife and we really enjoyed the 
> experience and have talked about getting a tandem.  
>
> The clock is ticking. . .  
>

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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh tandem Pre-order is live

[blakcloud]

I am thinking of it and I have another 30 hours to decide but what is 
holding me back is the added cost for living in Canada. With the exchange 
rate, shipping and sales tax, I get dinged for about $2600 for the basic 
frame. I have ridden tandems with my wife and we really enjoyed the 
experience and have talked about getting a tandem.  

The clock is ticking. . .  

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