[RBW] Grant in PDX 10/28

[velomann]

http://www.rivelopdx.com/blog/2017/10/4/questions-and-answers-with-grant-petersen-saturday-october-28-1pm

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne Art

[J Imler]

Does anyone else think a RBW adult coloring book is not a bad idea?

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

Jay, my Clem L is literally three months old (maybe four) so this is 
ridiculous, but I *really* like the fully-lugged Chev, and that color at that 
price came at a perfect convergence where I had just sold a recumbent trike and 
a couple bags. BOOM. Plus I have some heavy sentimental value invested in the 
Roadini color which reminds me of my first Riv, a Romulus. 

Now I just have to decide what to do with the Clem. I have the cranks and front 
derailer that came on it, which I removed for the e-kit, plus the Boscos and 
stem I just replaced with a Jones Loop. The Chev will need road calipers and 
short-pull levers, so that leaves the brakeset on the Clem. Oy, now that I 
think about it, I pretty much just need another 650B wheelset to have two 
complete bikes! ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Belopsky]

theyre like the previous iteration except w cantis

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bob Lovejoy]

I assume the 58cm canti-Sam will be a single top tube (like the 2016 
versions).  Anyone know or suspect that not to be true?

Bob

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

[Justin, Oakland]

Other not-Retro Riv things:
Wide drop bars
Flat pedals with spikes
Curvy crank arms
Wide range doubles

Just thinking that as I rode home on my Saluki with wide upright bars, wide 
range double x 10 speed, flat pedals with spikes and indexed thumbies. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Jay Connolly]

If I didn’t have the big Clem L on the way, I’d be all over the Cheviot.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

I'll have to dig into all the literature more, but I presume the Cheviot is 
more like a Sam with a droptube. I'm thinking it's sportier/less-touring-ish 
than a Joe A. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bob Lovejoy]

A canti-Sam has always been near the top of my list and a choice of black 
or the sage makes my head spin.  That said, I just built up a perfectly 
good and fairly cool Raleigh Randonneur and have an Appaloosa that is 
perfect for me.  I also have a more-than-perfect Cheviot.  I think I am at 
or in a good place.

Still... a great price and a great chance.

Question...  Would people consider a canti-Sam something of a sportier but 
still do-it-all bike versus the Joe A.?  

So, from sporty to less sporty (and not considering the Waterford's or 
customs or, I suppose, the Clem's):

Roadini
Sam H.
Joe A.
Cheviot

I know, at least assume, the Sam is better for a drop-bar set-up (though 
mine is currently successfully set-up with drops) and also has a shorter 
wheelbase.  Does anyone know if the tubing is the same on Sam versus the 
Joe?  I know the forks are different - and probably stouter on the Joe.

I should also add that I believe each of these four bikes to be perfect for 
their intended purpose.  I was just trying to imagine the ride difference 
between the Sam and the Joe.

Anyway, I have backed away from the keyboard a few times but wow(!), 
something of a deal on a bike I have always wanted is hard to not consider. 
 Anyone on the fence and without new builds or bikes in the recent past 
should really consider this!

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Belopsky]

I wouldn't do it. The Atlantis is great and the SH won't be that much 
lighter/whippier.

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-4, Brencho wrote:
>
> ha yeah i'm pretty tempted myself! i'm thinking of a sam to be a lighter 
> whippier alternative to my atlantis but my better judgment says to chill 
> out (and imagining my wife's response)...
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
>> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
>> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
>> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
>> for sale in a couple months! 
>> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

Ah geez, I gotta buy road brakes. You're right, Bill, that rebate is gonna come 
in handy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bunik]

I still think a canti-Cheviot would be AWESOME... just sayin'.
=- Joe Bunik
Nut Creek, CA

On 10/27/17, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% rebate
> on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100
>>
>> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful
>> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev.
>> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame
>>
>> for sale in a couple months!
>> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bill Lindsay]

That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% rebate 
on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
> for sale in a couple months! 
> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Brencho]

ha yeah i'm pretty tempted myself! i'm thinking of a sam to be a lighter 
whippier alternative to my atlantis but my better judgment says to chill 
out (and imagining my wife's response)...



On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
> for sale in a couple months! 
> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 

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[RBW] Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 a day 
til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful Clem L, but 
I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. Fortunately all my Clem 
stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame for sale in a couple months! 
Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 

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[RBW] What do Rivendell riders use for winter weather head gear?

[Deacon Patrick]

https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/winter-ride-medley

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] What do Rivendell riders use for winter weather head gear?

[lum gim fong]

What do Rivendell riders use for winter head gear?

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[RBW] FS: Front-loader shopping package

[Joe Bernard]

Bag was sold almost immediately. Don't doddle, doddlers!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm toyo atlantis in oregon for 1250

[Sky Coulter]

The Ad has been taken down. Do we have a lucky winner?

Sky in new west

On Thursday, 26 October 2017 14:01:45 UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I might be able to. I was going to test ride. If I decided against buying 
> it I could send to you. 

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

[George Schick]

Laing hit the nail on the head for me.  I like to fool around with 30-40 
year old frames and components, overhauling, sometimes repainting (rattle 
can, of course), etc.  Right now I'm in the middle of rebuilding an old 
early-70's Shimano Crane short-cage rear derailleur that I plan to install 
on a '72 vintage frame with 120mm rear spacing/5-speed freewheel hubs.  You 
just can't fiddle around with the modern stuff like that anymore.  Sure, 
sometimes you have to surf around on fleaBay or Craigslist, go to swap 
meets, and what not, but it's all fun and intriguing, this looking back in 
time and reviving some of the old equipment.  Resurrectio, it's called and 
for good reason. The Riv approach to cycling underscores this kind of hobby 
because the frames are never so far out bounds that you can't tweak things 
a bit here and there to wind up with some personally customized result. 
 Call it what you want, but that's what I consider "Rivish."


On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 9:52:56 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> To me a Rivish bike used to mean a highly engineered modern lugged steel 
> frame that was meant for riding, not any type of competition use. The 
> lugged thing has partially gone away, but the other still mostly holds.
>
> I like Rivs because they disappear beneath me. No need to think about or 
> compensate for the bike because it does what I expect it to do.
>
> I am a bit of a Retrogrouch in that I think most modern components are 
> ugly. In general I don't like black components although I have black 
> plastic Simplex derailleurs on one old bike and partially black Super 
> Record derailleurs on another.
>
> I also like Rivs because I like to tinker with and build bikes. I only buy 
> frames with the exception of the "long bike" Protovelo (Protopaloosa). Only 
> the rear derailleur and crank that came on it remain at this point anyway. 
> I tend to watch the frame specials and if something interesting and/or if a 
> great deal on a frame size that fits me shows up, that becomes my next 
> build - 40% off on a new 52 cm Bombadil at Thanksgiving a couple of years 
> ago was too much to pass up. I hardly need another bike, but I have an NOS 
> set of Campagnolo Nuovo Record Hi-Lo hubs that are screaming Frank Jones 
> Sr. at me
>
> Laing
>
>   
>

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[RBW] Re: BG Rock and roll tires 700c

[Carla Waugh]

Okay I am taking them off now and can send them Monday if anyone is interested 
and I’ll pitch in on the postage.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New (old) bike day? An Eroica bike

[Bill Lindsay]

Brian asked the weight of my 1983 Univega Gran Premio.

I don't know for sure.  We don't have a bathroom scale at home, but there 
is one at my office.  Maybe I'll ride it to work next week some time.  I'm 
guessing it's in the 23-24 pound range.  

Bill

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 12:07:03 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was curious if you knew what it weighed, as built?
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Mark asked where I ordered a brown brake cable & housing kit:  
>>
>> I ordered it from Velo Orange. It should arrive today along with the 
>> lever hoods 
>>
>> and also fender stays for the Hillborne 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New (old) bike day? An Eroica bike

[Brian Campbell]

I was curious if you knew what it weighed, as built?

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Mark asked where I ordered a brown brake cable & housing kit:  
>
> I ordered it from Velo Orange. It should arrive today along with the lever 
> hoods 
>
> and also fender stays for the Hillborne 
>
>

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[RBW] In search of Used/New Nitto Albatross Bar- Trade for Bosco Bar or Bullmoose Bar?

[J Imler]

I'm interested in Alba Bosco trade. 

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've seen many opinions on what constitutes a "Rivish" bike and my own 
thoughts have varied over the years.  At this point, I would say that a 
durable, practical, versatile and comfortable bike ridden with a "Just 
Ride" attitude, is "Rivish".  

I can't quite convince myself that a carbon bike is Rivish and I struggle a 
bit with even aluminum.  I tend to agree with Grant that a bike should have 
a lifespan measured in decades, rather than years.   I would never consider 
a non-steel bike that I personally own to be "Rivish" but I wouldn't argue 
that someone else's non-steel bike isn't "Rivish".  




On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I was at Riv HQ yesterday and had a longish chat with several of the 
> staff.  Will, Corey, Roman, Mark, and I waved hi to Vince.  They had been 
> paying attention to my 10x200 thing, and we talked a little bit about that, 
> and we also talked about the Marin Mountains 200k that had been a big part 
> of the focus of my training.  That ride was scheduled for Oct 14, but got 
> moved to the 28th because of the fires, so it's just a few days away.  
> I was telling Will about the bike I'm going to be using, with it's carbon 
> fiber shock fork and disc brakes.  Here's a link to the photo for those who 
> didn't see it before:
>
> NINER 
> 
>
> I made the comment to Will that it's probably my least Rivvish bike, 
> meaning that it's aluminum, with a carbon shock fork, with disc brakes, 
> etc.  It's 'modern'.  It's 'contemporary', etc.  Will disagreed.  Will said 
> he thinks it is totally Rivvish, because I've considered every part on the 
> bike, and decided on what will work for me, with zero consideration about 
> what others expect me to run.  This fork works for me, so I'm running it.  
> I want shifters on the steertube, so I made a shifter mount.  I think 
> hydraulic discs are the best, so I'm running them.  I think brifters are 
> lame, so I'm not running them.  I want 650B wheels on a Niner, so there.  I 
> want a dynamo hub, even though I'm running 15mm through axle.  I 
> commissioned a custom lamp mount.  Etc etc. The upshot is that "being 
> Rivvish" does not mean blindly following Riv's style. It means freeing 
> yourself from style-following.  
>
> Since Will is young, pale and bald, I thought we should paraphrase 
> spoon-boy
>
>
> 
>
> Do not try and bend the *style*, that's impossible. Instead, only try to 
> realize the truth...*there is no style*. Then you'll see that it is not 
> the *style* that bends, it is only yourself.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've seen many opinions on what constitutes a "Rivish" bike and my own 
thoughts have varied over the years.  At this point, I would say that a 
durable, practical, versatile and comfortable bike ridden with a "Just 
Ride" attitude, is "Rivish".  

I can't quite convince myself that a carbon bike is Rivish and I struggle a 
bit with even aluminum.  I tend to agree with Grant that a bike should have 
a lifespan measured in decades, rather than years.   I would never consider 
a non-steel bike that I personally own to be "Rivish" but I wouldn't argue 
that someone else's non-steel bike isn't "Rivish".  



On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I was at Riv HQ yesterday and had a longish chat with several of the 
> staff.  Will, Corey, Roman, Mark, and I waved hi to Vince.  They had been 
> paying attention to my 10x200 thing, and we talked a little bit about that, 
> and we also talked about the Marin Mountains 200k that had been a big part 
> of the focus of my training.  That ride was scheduled for Oct 14, but got 
> moved to the 28th because of the fires, so it's just a few days away.  
> I was telling Will about the bike I'm going to be using, with it's carbon 
> fiber shock fork and disc brakes.  Here's a link to the photo for those who 
> didn't see it before:
>
> NINER 
> 
>
> I made the comment to Will that it's probably my least Rivvish bike, 
> meaning that it's aluminum, with a carbon shock fork, with disc brakes, 
> etc.  It's 'modern'.  It's 'contemporary', etc.  Will disagreed.  Will said 
> he thinks it is totally Rivvish, because I've considered every part on the 
> bike, and decided on what will work for me, with zero consideration about 
> what others expect me to run.  This fork works for me, so I'm running it.  
> I want shifters on the steertube, so I made a shifter mount.  I think 
> hydraulic discs are the best, so I'm running them.  I think brifters are 
> lame, so I'm not running them.  I want 650B wheels on a Niner, so there.  I 
> want a dynamo hub, even though I'm running 15mm through axle.  I 
> commissioned a custom lamp mount.  Etc etc. The upshot is that "being 
> Rivvish" does not mean blindly following Riv's style. It means freeing 
> yourself from style-following.  
>
> Since Will is young, pale and bald, I thought we should paraphrase 
> spoon-boy
>
>
> 
>
> Do not try and bend the *style*, that's impossible. Instead, only try to 
> realize the truth...*there is no style*. Then you'll see that it is not 
> the *style* that bends, it is only yourself.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New (old) bike day? An Eroica bike

[Bill Lindsay]

Mark asked where I ordered a brown brake cable & housing kit:  

I ordered it from Velo Orange. It should arrive today along with the lever 
hoods 

and also fender stays for the Hillborne 

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[RBW] St. Louis shops

[CoalTrain]

I live in the Lou and no, there are no riv like stores. I go to The Hub in 
Webster and they had cork grips once...

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[RBW] Re: St. Louis shops

[Jim S.]

Steve, I live in St. Louis.

We have lots of nice bike shops, Big Shark, Mesa Cycles, Cursed Bikes. 
Cursed Bikes is new and sells coffee, which is an extra perk (no pun 
intended). I can't say these shops are especially Riv-ish, which I would 
define as practical, steel-framed bikes used for touring and all-round 
riding, as opposed to racing. There are no Rivendell dealers in St. Louis 
that I know of.

There's a small shop in Soulard with, in my humble opinion, and 
exceptionally good mechanic (and owner) -  one Matt LaBerta. He's a great 
guy who makes his own frames. I like going to his shop. His shop is really 
neat, but not Riv-ish.

In short, if you visit any St. Louis bike shop, don't except a 
reincarnation of the Bike Book, and Hatchet. I seldom see another Riv rider 
around these parts. Once, I was in Shaw Park fiddling with my Atlantis, and 
a nice guy road up on a Sam Hillborne. But he was from San Francisco, just 
riding through on a tour.

If you want to know some neat rides around here, tell me and I'll fill you 
in. Otherwise, I'll stop typing.


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>
> I was wondering from any Riv folks in the St. Louis area, if there are any 
> Riv-ish shops I should check out.  My wife and I make fairly frequent trips 
> up that way to visit family.  Advise appreciated!
>

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[RBW] Re: St. Louis shops

[Jim S.]

Steve, I live in St. Louis.

We lots of nice bike shops, Big Shark, Mesa Cycles, Cursed Bikes. Cursed 
Bikes is new and sells coffee, which is an extra perk (no pun intended). I 
can't say these shops are especially Riv-ish, which I would tentatively 
define as practical, steel-framed bikes used for touring and general 
riding, as opposed to racing. There are no Rivendell dealers in St. Louis 
that I know of.

There's a small shop in Soulard with, in my humble opinion, and 
exceptionally good mechanic -  one Matt LaBerta - he's a great guy who 
makes his own frames. I like going to his shop. His shop is really neat, 
but not Riv-ish.

In short, if you visit any St. Louis bike shop, don't except a 
reincarnation of the Bike Book, and Hatchet. I seldom see another Riv rider 
around these parts. Once, I was in Shaw Park fiddling with my Atlantis, and 
a nice guy road up on a Sam Hillborne. But he was from San Francisco, just 
riding through on a tour.

If you want to know some neat rides around here, tell me and I'll fill you 
in. Otherwise, I'll stop typing.


On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 4:37:48 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I was wondering from any Riv folks in the St. Louis area, if there are any 
> Riv-ish shops I should check out.  My wife and I make fairly frequent trips 
> up that way to visit family.  Advise appreciated!
>

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 4:37:48 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I was wondering from any Riv folks in the St. Louis area, if there are any 
> Riv-ish shops I should check out.  My wife and I make fairly frequent trips 
> up that way to visit family.  Advise appreciated!
>

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[RBW] Re: St. Louis shops

[Jim S.]

Steve, I live in St. Louis.

We lots of nice bike shops, Big Shark, Mesa Cycles, Cursed Bikes. Cursed 
Bikes is new and sells coffee, which is an extra perk (no pun intended). I 
can't these shops are especially Riv-ish, which I would tentatively define 
as practical, steel-framed bikes used for touring and general riding, as 
opposed to racing. No Rivendell dealers in St. Louis that I know of.

There's a small shop in Soulard with, in my humble opinion, and 
exceptionally good mechanic -  Matt LaBerta - he's a great guy who makes 
his own frames. I like going to his shop. But he's not Riv-ish.

In short, if you visit any St. Louis bike shop, don't except a 
reincarnation of Bike Book, and Hatchet. I seldom see another Riv rider 
around these parts. Once, I was in Shaw Park fiddling with my Atlantis, and 
a guy road up on a Sam Hillborne. But he was from San Francisco, just 
riding through on a tour.

If you want to know some neat rides around here, tell me and I'll fill you 
in. Otherwise, I'll stop typing.


On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 4:37:48 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I was wondering from any Riv folks in the St. Louis area, if there are any 
> Riv-ish shops I should check out.  My wife and I make fairly frequent trips 
> up that way to visit family.  Advise appreciated!
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[REC]

I think you're considering the right bike for your application, but I have 
to say that I don't own a Clem, but a Joe Appaloosa (my first Riv and I 
LOVE it), as that one fit my needs better.

However, if needed a bike for what you describe, I would have bought a Clem 
L.  If you're thinking Clem H, also consider a Joe Appaloosa.  Gossamer on 
this board has a 58 cm one listed for sale and they come up for sale every 
so often.   I don't think you could go wrong with Clem L or either Clem or 
Joe looking for an "H".

Roberta 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Brad]

I'm not so sure if Tully would fit the Clem L. I'm 6'0 with an 88" PBH and, 
with 170mm cranks, I don't think I have more than two cm of seat post 
showing above the seat lug. I definitely have a ton of standover though!

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 11:01:24 AM UTC-4, Brendan McD wrote:
>
> Tully,
>
> If you can make it down to Portland, you can visit Rivelo. John frequently 
> has a good stock of Clems, and is even hosting an event with Grant this 
> Saturday afternoon (10/28).
>
> Another thought, you could almost certainly get away with the larger frame 
> if you go with the "L" configuration, since stand over will no longer be an 
> issue. 
>
> Brendan
> Portland, OR
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Brendan McD]

Tully,

If you can make it down to Portland, you can visit Rivelo. John frequently 
has a good stock of Clems, and is even hosting an event with Grant this 
Saturday afternoon (10/28).

Another thought, you could almost certainly get away with the larger frame 
if you go with the "L" configuration, since stand over will no longer be an 
issue. 

Brendan
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Tully Lanter]

Paul: great idea to visit Rivelo! The peace of mind plus an excuse to 
explore Portland sounds like a solid plan.

Will contact Riv directly in the meantime, and look forward to (presumably) 
getting on a Clem in the very near future! 

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I've had my eye on a Clem for a while now, and would appreciate 
> your take on whether it's a reasonable choice. 
>
>- 5'10", ~85cm PBH, presumably in need of a 52cm frame
>- Fairly short but steep daily commutes (in the Pacific NW., i.e., 
>hilly and wet) 
>- Occasional Costco runs and the like. Long chainstays are appealing 
>for the heavy loads and bumpy roads!
>- Random, long-ish distance rides on unpredictable routes. Pavement, 
>gravel, etc. in varying proportions. Bits of singletrack if I'm so 
> inclined.
>
> I'm drawn to the Clem's relaxed but not extreme geometry, total lack of 
> back-box components, and (relatively) accessible price point. All in all, 
> does it sounds like I'm barking up the right tree? 
>
> I'm inclined just to take the plunge on a secondhand Clem (if they're out 
> there...), but since even "cheap" Rivendells aren't cheap, I'd love to hear 
> your collective thoughts first!
>

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

[lconley]

To me a Rivish bike used to mean a highly engineered modern lugged steel 
frame that was meant for riding, not any type of competition use. The 
lugged thing has partially gone away, but the other still mostly holds.

I like Rivs because they disappear beneath me. No need to think about or 
compensate for the bike because it does what I expect it to do.

I am a bit of a Retrogrouch in that I think most modern components are 
ugly. In general I don't like black components although I have black 
plastic Simplex derailleurs on one old bike and partially black Super 
Record derailleurs on another.

I also like Rivs because I like to tinker with and build bikes. I only buy 
frames with the exception of the "long bike" Protovelo (Protopaloosa). Only 
the rear derailleur and crank that came on it remain at this point anyway. 
I tend to watch the frame specials and if something interesting and/or if a 
great deal on a frame size that fits me shows up, that becomes my next 
build - 40% off on a new 52 cm Bombadil at Thanksgiving a couple of years 
ago was too much to pass up. I hardly need another bike, but I have an NOS 
set of Campagnolo Nuovo Record Hi-Lo hubs that are screaming Frank Jones 
Sr. at me

Laing

  

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[RBW] Re: Another orange bike - Holey Hillborne Build

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Very nice build. Outdoor shots would be good!

 I like drillium & high flange too. My 1974ish Ron Kitching came with lots 
of factory drillium: drilled first gen Dura Ace brake levers, a drilled 
Crane rear derailleur and a drilled Titlist front, and a drilled Sugino 
52/47 crankset. I like it enough that I had a friend design a drillium 
wedding band. (Sadly, that turned out to be metaphorical.) Here is a 
Stronglight on my ex-L'Avecaise, back when I rode clipless:



On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:49:06 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> Too hard to rustproof
>
> I haven't personally drilled any holes in anything, but I did consider 
> getting a kickstand and going after it with the drill press.
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 2:34:42 PM UTC-4, LBleriot wrote:
>
>> Why not drill out that second top tube?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Eric Daume]

I picked up a used Clem H

this summer and ended up selling it pretty quickly. I think the frameset
would work out fine for me, but I didn't like many on the stock components:

- I'm not a Bosco fan, no "just right" position that I would use for 80% of
my riding

- Stock tires were terrible, the worst tires I've ever used. How can a 2"
tire ride so harshly?

- The saddle caused me physical pain after just a few minutes, much too wide

- The stock shifters shifted pretty poorly, what with the micro clicks.


All pretty small stuff that could have been easily fixed, but I wasn't in
the mood and just sold the complete for about what I paid for it. So my
advice is to think about a frame up build. Maybe I'll try this again in the
future.

Eric
Plain City, OH

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:32 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I like my Clem a lot. I'm your size and I have the 52, which I would
> recommend. I used it every day on my 15-mile round trip commute for about a
> year (stopped when my job stopped), and took it on some nice adventure
> rides, including an ascent of Mt. Beacon. I would also suggest considering
> the L version if you aren't already. It can do everything the H does, and
> more!
>
>
> On Thursday,
> October 26, 2017 at 11:42:53 AM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for the helpful feedback here. Sounds like a great
>> match indeed!
>>
>> Very doubtful I could try one in advance, since there are not yet any Riv
>> dealers here around Seattle. Will definitely chat with Rivendell about
>> sizing, since my short-ish legs + long arms combined with Bosco bars makes
>> for a non-obvious (to me) sizing solution. Thanks again.
>>
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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

[WETH]

I biked with a friend last weekend who doesn't own a Rivendell or a Rivvish 
bike.  I had him ride my Romulus with albatross bars for a few minutes.  When 
he got off of the bike his first comment said with a smile, "I felt like I was 
a kid again riding my bike!"  

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[RBW] St. Louis shops

[Steve Butcher]

I was wondering from any Riv folks in the St. Louis area, if there are any 
Riv-ish shops I should check out.  My wife and I make fairly frequent trips 
up that way to visit family.  Advise appreciated!

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Brencho]

good thread timing! i just ordered a 52 Clem L recently and just have to 
ship some parts over to riv and wait for the build to happen. i'm 5'9ish 
and 85 pbh, and my wife is 5'5 and uh like 78 or 79 pbh. the plan is to use 
it as a kid hauler / utility bike that we can both use, with a quick 
release thingy to adjust the seat post as needed. it'll also make an 
awesome bike for guests since lots of people will be able to ride it. set 
up with a b67 sprunged saddle, bosco bars, huge wald basket on front, and 
rack on back with a kid seat. sticking with stock kenda tires for now but 
will look forward to putting some ne plus ultra fatties on there sometime 
soon. 
 

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 9:32:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I like my Clem a lot. I'm your size and I have the 52, which I would 
> recommend. I used it every day on my 15-mile round trip commute for about a 
> year (stopped when my job stopped), and took it on some nice adventure 
> rides, including an ascent of Mt. Beacon. I would also suggest considering 
> the L version if you aren't already. It can do everything the H does, and 
> more! 

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[RBW] Thoughts/considerations for Clem as daily do-it-all bike?

[Kainalu V.]

I love my Clem H, even though I just took it apart and transferred the parts to 
a step through Rosco Bubbe. Most people are saying it's a relaxed bike that's 
good for going slow, but the whole truth is it does a great job of going fast 
when you want it to (But my Rosco Bubbe is faster!, and it's an "L", so yeah, 
get the clem low if you really want to fly)
It is heavy, and as Joe did, a great candidate for motors or sails or whatever 
else you can imagine. Picture Steve McQueen tearing across the countryside 
jumping fences and stuff, that's well within the spirit of Clem Smith. 
As was said earlier, the moose variety of Bosco bars are so good, that they're 
no longer offered in completes is great reason to look for it used. Never 
having to think about bars slipping or whether you've adjusted them to the 
perfect angle is very comforting, and having the triangle to run a cable 
through is comforting when you lock up for longer than the 45 seconds it would 
take for a low down scoundrel to steal your unsecured stem and bars.
You'd love a Clem, any Clem, with whatever, riding wherever 
-Kai 
BK NY 

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