[RBW] Re: Panaracer Gravelking 650b - reviews - experience

[David Miller]

I have 650b x 42 GravelKings (without knobs) on one set of wheels and 650b 
x 42 Compass Babyshoe Pass on another wheel set. Both are set up tubeless. 
Even though the GravelKings were not tubeless specific they bled less 
sealant through the sidewalls than the Compass tires which are TC. The 
GravelKing are also lighter by 30 grams. The Compass tires seems to be a 
little more cushy riding but don't seem to roll any faster. They seem to be 
equally precise in their handling.Since the GravelKings cost half as much I 
will probably buy them again when the Compass tires wear out
David Miller
Seattle


On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:05:26 AM UTC-8, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> Trying to decide on tires for a new build. This bike would be used as an 
> everything bike but mostly on road riding. They come in 38, 42 and 48 
> sizes. 
> I'm looking for a less expensive alternative to Compass that has better 
> flat protection since I will be commuting on this bike. 
>
> Anyone had any experience with these tires, please share. 
>
> Paul
> Santa Clara CA
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Re: [RBW] WTB: bike poncho/cape

[Jonathan D.]

Agreed though I️ think new from Rivendell it was over a $100. 

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[RBW] Re: FS/T: have Ortlieb Office Pannier, want MultiSack or Sackville Jumbo Grabby or...

[Max S]

Edit: older model, more along these lines 

 (links 
to a sale page!). Insides all the same, some pockets, laptop carrier, 
stiffener, etc. Nice bag, just bigger than I want. 

- M

On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 1:02:09 AM UTC-5, Max S wrote:
>
> This model 
> ,
>  
> but gray & black version, used, still in good shape. (I bought it used, but 
> it doesn't quite work with my bike & needs.) 
>
> Anyone interested in trading for a MultiSack or Jumbo Grabby or something 
> along those lines?.. 
>
> TIA! 
>
> - Max 
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[RBW] FS/T: have Ortlieb Office Pannier, want MultiSack or Sackville Jumbo Grabby or...

[Max S]

This model 
,
 
but gray & black version, used, still in good shape. (I bought it used, but 
it doesn't quite work with my bike & needs.) 

Anyone interested in trading for a MultiSack or Jumbo Grabby or something 
along those lines?.. 

TIA! 

- Max 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; good to know.

I've got a second wheel for my '03 Curt, with a S3X with a freewheel
(70/53/44); rather wish I'd used a Sunrace AW for a lower bottom gear
(70/53/39). But I hardly ever use that wheel; the 17/19 Dingle gives me 70"
and 63" ...

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick- The older (pre Sunrace) ones were the "slippy" ones. The "No
> Neutral" ones from Sunrace shouldn't theoretically slip.
> -Shawn
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> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Shawn -- very interesting, informative; it makes me want a 3 speed off
>> road bike!
>>
>> The only thing that gives me pause is: don't stand in 2nd gear. Heck much
>> of my climbing is standing. Is this a universal rule for all IGHs or just
>> for pre-Sunrace AWs? And surely some of those rough stuffers and time
>> trialists stood when climbing?
>>
>> I had the Geoff Apps site bookmarked: https://clelandcyc
>> les.wordpress.com/evolution/
>>
>> Surely he stood sometimes, too?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Shawn Granton <
>> urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A bit late to this, sorry. But the Deacon asked me off-list about Three
>>> Speed Mountain Bike Resources, and as a (semi-competent) go-to for things
>>> three speeds, I figure I should say *something.*
>>>
>>> Alas, there is no "go-to" list for three speed mountain biking, but to
>>> cover some of the points brought up in this thread:
>>>
>>>
>>>- *Why just three for an IGH (internally geared hub) vs 5, 11, 14,
>>>infinity? *Well, I think Deacon Patrick nailed it on the head when
>>>talking about *simplicity*. Yes, you will not get the range of
>>>something bigger (whether IGH or derailleur) but you think *less*
>>>about shifting. Not as "pure" as a single speed, but not as "corrupt" as 
>>> a
>>>3x11 setup. Also, *three speed hubs are cheap*, relatively speaking
>>>(not counting the cost of building a wheel if need be.) Heck, you can go 
>>> to
>>>your local bike co-op and probably find a bin of old AW hubs and get a
>>>functional one for next-to-nothing. You aren't going to find that with a
>>>bigger IGH. And even if you do, there are other costs: I "scored" an 
>>> Alfine
>>>11 hub for nothing a couple years back, back when they were still like 
>>> $600
>>>MSRP. But it didn't come with a shifter, and that's like $150*
>>>alone.* Heck, you could get the AW hub plus shifter and other bits
>>>for that much.
>>>- *The difference between older (pre Sunrace) Sturmey Archer AW
>>>three speed hubs vs new (Sunrace). *Yes, the old AW hub had that
>>>annoying "neutral" that could happen, but that was usually either because
>>>a) the cable/indicator chain was incorrectly adjusted b) standing up when
>>>pedalling (frame flexes and pulls cable out of adjustment) or c) a
>>>combination of the two. And even the "mediocre" AW hubs of the later
>>>Sturmey Archer years are still *good. *There are plenty of bikes
>>>still running old AW hubs. The one on my Superbe is from 1954 and runs
>>>great. But I also don't pedal while standing up! ;-)
>>>- *Torque. *The problem with most IGHs are their tolerance of
>>>torque. For most old hubs, it's not recommended to go under a 2:1 ratio.
>>>Some people have gone under and not had any problems. A few destroyed 
>>> their
>>>hubs. I think a lot has to do with "rider input", like weight and riding
>>>style. A lighter rider will probably have less issues with destroying a 
>>> hub
>>>if they go under the 2:1 ratio
>>>- *Gearing.* An old AW is simple, and limiting. The low you're going
>>>to safely get is going to be upper-30's (gear-inches). That's not the
>>>low-low of mid-teens you can get from some modern drivetrains, but it is
>>>not bad. Portland isn't exactly flat, and I climb the hills with my 
>>> Raleigh
>>>Superbe. The other day I went up Mount Tabor with grades as high as 7%, 
>>> and
>>>managed. I did a tour a few years back in the Driftless Region of SW
>>>Wisconsin with Pondero and GravelDoc on a loaded three speed and managed
>>>some 8% grinds. No, it's not as optimal as the 15 gear-inch bike climb, 
>>> and
>>>no, I wouldn't do a sustained 20 mile climb with a 7% grade, but it 
>>> worked
>>>for what I did.
>>>- *Those Old Spokes Home 3 Speed MTBs: *They look SWEET! I want one
>>>now. Deacon, maybe just order one of theirs for experimentation? ;-) And 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] WTB: bike poncho/cape

[Patrick Moore]

I have a Campmore cape, thin nylon cape. I actually like it better than the
Carradice cotton or nylon ones I owned, which were respectively too hot and
cut too tight; but the stupid leg loops are very inconvenient compared to
the Carradice waist ties. I cut the loops off and attached 2 short stacks
of washers to the rear; this has worked so far.

It should be easy to attach similar weights to a cheap hiker's poncho.

Once nice thing about weighting the rear is that the cape then covers your
saddle and, if you are using one, your saddlebag.

I've ridden in strong wind with the Campmore, and it works surprisingly
well. You'd probably not want to ride 100 miles with the wind pushing you
around, but it keeps you dry from neck to knee*, even in a surprisingly
strong wind. The worst feature is that the cape forms a little valley
between your arms, where water collects, which you have to drain every half
mile or so. I recall the Ducksback or whatever the waxed cotton Carradice
was called: the pool had iridescent oil streaks from the oils of the
waterproofing wax, and I would be so fascinated by them that I spent far
too much time staring at the puddle instead of at the road.

* I strongly dislike hoods when cycling, so I ignore mine (I got a
Sou'wester type hat).

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Hey Erl, if you have one laying around you might try just going with a
> regular poncho to see what you think.  I rode in an old army poncho once
> last year and it was ok, I tucked the excess in and sat on it...  I'm sure
> a cycling one would be a better solution though.
>
> I missed riding the past two days but got absolutely slammed with rain
> Tuesday evening.  My M65 field jacket did ok, right arm leaked at the elbow
> but that was about it. It was windy to, I wonder about ponchos in the wind
> even when they are bike-optimized.
>
> Let us know if you try one out!
>
> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Shawn Granton]

Patrick- The older (pre Sunrace) ones were the "slippy" ones. The "No
Neutral" ones from Sunrace shouldn't theoretically slip.
-Shawn

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On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Shawn -- very interesting, informative; it makes me want a 3 speed off
> road bike!
>
> The only thing that gives me pause is: don't stand in 2nd gear. Heck much
> of my climbing is standing. Is this a universal rule for all IGHs or just
> for pre-Sunrace AWs? And surely some of those rough stuffers and time
> trialists stood when climbing?
>
> I had the Geoff Apps site bookmarked: https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/
> evolution/
>
> Surely he stood sometimes, too?
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Shawn Granton  com> wrote:
>
>> A bit late to this, sorry. But the Deacon asked me off-list about Three
>> Speed Mountain Bike Resources, and as a (semi-competent) go-to for things
>> three speeds, I figure I should say *something.*
>>
>> Alas, there is no "go-to" list for three speed mountain biking, but to
>> cover some of the points brought up in this thread:
>>
>>
>>- *Why just three for an IGH (internally geared hub) vs 5, 11, 14,
>>infinity? *Well, I think Deacon Patrick nailed it on the head when
>>talking about *simplicity*. Yes, you will not get the range of
>>something bigger (whether IGH or derailleur) but you think *less*
>>about shifting. Not as "pure" as a single speed, but not as "corrupt" as a
>>3x11 setup. Also, *three speed hubs are cheap*, relatively speaking
>>(not counting the cost of building a wheel if need be.) Heck, you can go 
>> to
>>your local bike co-op and probably find a bin of old AW hubs and get a
>>functional one for next-to-nothing. You aren't going to find that with a
>>bigger IGH. And even if you do, there are other costs: I "scored" an 
>> Alfine
>>11 hub for nothing a couple years back, back when they were still like 
>> $600
>>MSRP. But it didn't come with a shifter, and that's like $150* alone.*
>>Heck, you could get the AW hub plus shifter and other bits for that much.
>>- *The difference between older (pre Sunrace) Sturmey Archer AW three
>>speed hubs vs new (Sunrace). *Yes, the old AW hub had that annoying
>>"neutral" that could happen, but that was usually either because a) the
>>cable/indicator chain was incorrectly adjusted b) standing up when
>>pedalling (frame flexes and pulls cable out of adjustment) or c) a
>>combination of the two. And even the "mediocre" AW hubs of the later
>>Sturmey Archer years are still *good. *There are plenty of bikes
>>still running old AW hubs. The one on my Superbe is from 1954 and runs
>>great. But I also don't pedal while standing up! ;-)
>>- *Torque. *The problem with most IGHs are their tolerance of torque.
>>For most old hubs, it's not recommended to go under a 2:1 ratio. Some
>>people have gone under and not had any problems. A few destroyed their
>>hubs. I think a lot has to do with "rider input", like weight and riding
>>style. A lighter rider will probably have less issues with destroying a 
>> hub
>>if they go under the 2:1 ratio
>>- *Gearing.* An old AW is simple, and limiting. The low you're going
>>to safely get is going to be upper-30's (gear-inches). That's not the
>>low-low of mid-teens you can get from some modern drivetrains, but it is
>>not bad. Portland isn't exactly flat, and I climb the hills with my 
>> Raleigh
>>Superbe. The other day I went up Mount Tabor with grades as high as 7%, 
>> and
>>managed. I did a tour a few years back in the Driftless Region of SW
>>Wisconsin with Pondero and GravelDoc on a loaded three speed and managed
>>some 8% grinds. No, it's not as optimal as the 15 gear-inch bike climb, 
>> and
>>no, I wouldn't do a sustained 20 mile climb with a 7% grade, but it worked
>>for what I did.
>>- *Those Old Spokes Home 3 Speed MTBs: *They look SWEET! I want one
>>now. Deacon, maybe just order one of theirs for experimentation? ;-) And I
>>highly doubt they would sell bikes like that if they needed constant
>>servicing. They've proven reliable for them, and they put them through the
>>paces, including winter.
>>- *About winter:* Yes, AW hubs work in extreme conditions. My friend
>>Keith has ridden AW equipped bikes through the dead of Edmonton winter for
>>years. He does use a lighter weight oil for those months (which is one of
>>the advantages to the older 

Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Patrick Moore]

Those are very usable gear ranges and indeed, you get much more range with
a 2 X 2 than even most 1 X 3s. But what's this talk of derailleurs? Isn't
this for a Sheldon-type shift by finger system?





On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick, I would start with one of these setups for a 35mm 700c wheel, but
> the derailleur doesn’t require an exact match. That’s just my OCD:
> 36/42 x 16/22 = 45” 53” 62” 72”
> 36/44 x 16/24 = 41” 51” 62” 76”
>
> I might even fool around with a reverse pull fd, so the up/down of
> downtube shifters would correspond to the out/in of the chain.
>
> Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Patrick Moore]

The best rear fork end for ss or fixed is the long horizontal, sloped so
that your rear brake pads (if you use a rear caliper) remain more or less
aligned with the rim when you move the wheel back and forth.

I'd much rather have track ends on a ss/fixed frame than verticals, but I'd
much rather have long horizontals than track ends.

Rivendell, please take note!

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:10 PM, tc  wrote:

> Regarding dropout style, here is Sheldon's QuickBeam page
>  comments:
>
>> The rear fork ends are definitely a good-news/bad-news feature. Current
>> fashion seems to require the atavistic rear-opening design for
>> singlespeed/fixed-gear bikes, even though dropout type (front opening) fork
>> ends are much more convenient to use. The good news is that the Quickbeam's
>> rear axle slots are not truly horizontal, but rather are angled to be
>> roughly perpendiular to the seat-stays. This means that you can take
>> advantage of the long adjustment slots to use different gear combinations
>> without having to re-adjust your rear brake shoes every time you move the
>> wheel. That's a *big* advantage!
>
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:00:13 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>>
>> ...says Will in the November 9th (today) Blug post.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Philip Williamson]

Patrick, I would start with one of these setups for a 35mm 700c wheel, but the 
derailleur doesn’t require an exact match. That’s just my OCD:
36/42 x 16/22 = 45” 53” 62” 72” 
36/44 x 16/24 = 41” 51” 62” 76”

I might even fool around with a reverse pull fd, so the up/down of downtube 
shifters would correspond to the out/in of the chain.

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Patrick Moore]

Shawn -- very interesting, informative; it makes me want a 3 speed off road
bike!

The only thing that gives me pause is: don't stand in 2nd gear. Heck much
of my climbing is standing. Is this a universal rule for all IGHs or just
for pre-Sunrace AWs? And surely some of those rough stuffers and time
trialists stood when climbing?

I had the Geoff Apps site bookmarked:
https://clelandcycles.wordpress.com/evolution/

Surely he stood sometimes, too?

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A bit late to this, sorry. But the Deacon asked me off-list about Three
> Speed Mountain Bike Resources, and as a (semi-competent) go-to for things
> three speeds, I figure I should say *something.*
>
> Alas, there is no "go-to" list for three speed mountain biking, but to
> cover some of the points brought up in this thread:
>
>
>- *Why just three for an IGH (internally geared hub) vs 5, 11, 14,
>infinity? *Well, I think Deacon Patrick nailed it on the head when
>talking about *simplicity*. Yes, you will not get the range of
>something bigger (whether IGH or derailleur) but you think *less*
>about shifting. Not as "pure" as a single speed, but not as "corrupt" as a
>3x11 setup. Also, *three speed hubs are cheap*, relatively speaking
>(not counting the cost of building a wheel if need be.) Heck, you can go to
>your local bike co-op and probably find a bin of old AW hubs and get a
>functional one for next-to-nothing. You aren't going to find that with a
>bigger IGH. And even if you do, there are other costs: I "scored" an Alfine
>11 hub for nothing a couple years back, back when they were still like $600
>MSRP. But it didn't come with a shifter, and that's like $150* alone.*
>Heck, you could get the AW hub plus shifter and other bits for that much.
>- *The difference between older (pre Sunrace) Sturmey Archer AW three
>speed hubs vs new (Sunrace). *Yes, the old AW hub had that annoying
>"neutral" that could happen, but that was usually either because a) the
>cable/indicator chain was incorrectly adjusted b) standing up when
>pedalling (frame flexes and pulls cable out of adjustment) or c) a
>combination of the two. And even the "mediocre" AW hubs of the later
>Sturmey Archer years are still *good. *There are plenty of bikes still
>running old AW hubs. The one on my Superbe is from 1954 and runs great. But
>I also don't pedal while standing up! ;-)
>- *Torque. *The problem with most IGHs are their tolerance of torque.
>For most old hubs, it's not recommended to go under a 2:1 ratio. Some
>people have gone under and not had any problems. A few destroyed their
>hubs. I think a lot has to do with "rider input", like weight and riding
>style. A lighter rider will probably have less issues with destroying a hub
>if they go under the 2:1 ratio
>- *Gearing.* An old AW is simple, and limiting. The low you're going
>to safely get is going to be upper-30's (gear-inches). That's not the
>low-low of mid-teens you can get from some modern drivetrains, but it is
>not bad. Portland isn't exactly flat, and I climb the hills with my Raleigh
>Superbe. The other day I went up Mount Tabor with grades as high as 7%, and
>managed. I did a tour a few years back in the Driftless Region of SW
>Wisconsin with Pondero and GravelDoc on a loaded three speed and managed
>some 8% grinds. No, it's not as optimal as the 15 gear-inch bike climb, and
>no, I wouldn't do a sustained 20 mile climb with a 7% grade, but it worked
>for what I did.
>- *Those Old Spokes Home 3 Speed MTBs: *They look SWEET! I want one
>now. Deacon, maybe just order one of theirs for experimentation? ;-) And I
>highly doubt they would sell bikes like that if they needed constant
>servicing. They've proven reliable for them, and they put them through the
>paces, including winter.
>- *About winter:* Yes, AW hubs work in extreme conditions. My friend
>Keith has ridden AW equipped bikes through the dead of Edmonton winter for
>years. He does use a lighter weight oil for those months (which is one of
>the advantages to the older oil-filled AW hubs of the pre-Sunrace 
> takeover.)
>
> So, should one experiment? Yes!
>
> Now, I don't think a three speed is going to fulfill all the needs for a
> "modern" mountain bike, especially if one is going to do lots of steep
> climbing. But people have been bashing about on three speeds for rough
> stuff for eons, like the UK based Rough Stuff Fellowship. They've been
> going at it since the 50's. Back then I'm sure most of the member's bikes
> had three speed hubs, yet they went all sorts of crazy places in the
> English countryside, up rough and rude paths. Of course, there was some
> pushing involved, and they didn't expect to do 8% grades at a high cadence.
> But they still *did it.*
>
> And anyone who has read this 

Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Shawn Granton]

A bit late to this, sorry. But the Deacon asked me off-list about Three 
Speed Mountain Bike Resources, and as a (semi-competent) go-to for things 
three speeds, I figure I should say *something.*

Alas, there is no "go-to" list for three speed mountain biking, but to 
cover some of the points brought up in this thread:


   - *Why just three for an IGH (internally geared hub) vs 5, 11, 14, 
   infinity? *Well, I think Deacon Patrick nailed it on the head when 
   talking about *simplicity*. Yes, you will not get the range of something 
   bigger (whether IGH or derailleur) but you think *less* about shifting. 
   Not as "pure" as a single speed, but not as "corrupt" as a 3x11 setup. 
   Also, *three speed hubs are cheap*, relatively speaking (not counting 
   the cost of building a wheel if need be.) Heck, you can go to your local 
   bike co-op and probably find a bin of old AW hubs and get a functional one 
   for next-to-nothing. You aren't going to find that with a bigger IGH. And 
   even if you do, there are other costs: I "scored" an Alfine 11 hub for 
   nothing a couple years back, back when they were still like $600 MSRP. But 
   it didn't come with a shifter, and that's like $150* alone.* Heck, you 
   could get the AW hub plus shifter and other bits for that much.
   - *The difference between older (pre Sunrace) Sturmey Archer AW three 
   speed hubs vs new (Sunrace). *Yes, the old AW hub had that annoying 
   "neutral" that could happen, but that was usually either because a) the 
   cable/indicator chain was incorrectly adjusted b) standing up when 
   pedalling (frame flexes and pulls cable out of adjustment) or c) a 
   combination of the two. And even the "mediocre" AW hubs of the later 
   Sturmey Archer years are still *good. *There are plenty of bikes still 
   running old AW hubs. The one on my Superbe is from 1954 and runs great. But 
   I also don't pedal while standing up! ;-)
   - *Torque. *The problem with most IGHs are their tolerance of torque. 
   For most old hubs, it's not recommended to go under a 2:1 ratio. Some 
   people have gone under and not had any problems. A few destroyed their 
   hubs. I think a lot has to do with "rider input", like weight and riding 
   style. A lighter rider will probably have less issues with destroying a hub 
   if they go under the 2:1 ratio
   - *Gearing.* An old AW is simple, and limiting. The low you're going to 
   safely get is going to be upper-30's (gear-inches). That's not the low-low 
   of mid-teens you can get from some modern drivetrains, but it is not bad. 
   Portland isn't exactly flat, and I climb the hills with my Raleigh Superbe. 
   The other day I went up Mount Tabor with grades as high as 7%, and managed. 
   I did a tour a few years back in the Driftless Region of SW Wisconsin with 
   Pondero and GravelDoc on a loaded three speed and managed some 8% grinds. 
   No, it's not as optimal as the 15 gear-inch bike climb, and no, I wouldn't 
   do a sustained 20 mile climb with a 7% grade, but it worked for what I did.
   - *Those Old Spokes Home 3 Speed MTBs: *They look SWEET! I want one now. 
   Deacon, maybe just order one of theirs for experimentation? ;-) And I 
   highly doubt they would sell bikes like that if they needed constant 
   servicing. They've proven reliable for them, and they put them through the 
   paces, including winter.
   - *About winter:* Yes, AW hubs work in extreme conditions. My friend 
   Keith has ridden AW equipped bikes through the dead of Edmonton winter for 
   years. He does use a lighter weight oil for those months (which is one of 
   the advantages to the older oil-filled AW hubs of the pre-Sunrace takeover.)

So, should one experiment? Yes! 

Now, I don't think a three speed is going to fulfill all the needs for a 
"modern" mountain bike, especially if one is going to do lots of steep 
climbing. But people have been bashing about on three speeds for rough 
stuff for eons, like the UK based Rough Stuff Fellowship. They've been 
going at it since the 50's. Back then I'm sure most of the member's bikes 
had three speed hubs, yet they went all sorts of crazy places in the 
English countryside, up rough and rude paths. Of course, there was some 
pushing involved, and they didn't expect to do 8% grades at a high cadence. 
But they still *did it.*

And anyone who has read this far and is still interested: Seek out the work 
of Geoff Apps, considered the father of UK mountain biking, working at the 
same time as the Repack folks. His custom machines usually used drum brakes 
and hub gears, and he pedalled through all sorts of terrain and conditions.

Finally, why can't that Paul Melvin only take a cog up to 20 teeth? ;-)

yours,
Shawn

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

Regarding dropout style, here is Sheldon's QuickBeam page 
 comments:

> The rear fork ends are definitely a good-news/bad-news feature. Current 
> fashion seems to require the atavistic rear-opening design for 
> singlespeed/fixed-gear bikes, even though dropout type (front opening) fork 
> ends are much more convenient to use. The good news is that the Quickbeam's 
> rear axle slots are not truly horizontal, but rather are angled to be 
> roughly perpendiular to the seat-stays. This means that you can take 
> advantage of the long adjustment slots to use different gear combinations 
> without having to re-adjust your rear brake shoes every time you move the 
> wheel. That's a *big* advantage!


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> ...says Will in the November 9th (today) Blug post.
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[RBW] MSL: Sackville items on sale

[Leslie]

I was by Mountain Sports Ltd (MSL) in Bristol VA today, grabbing a 
replacement/spare tube for my son's bike, and while in there, chatted w/ 
the owners for awhile.   They don't have any Rivendell frames left anymore, 
but they have quite a stock of a variety of Sackville bags on hand, that 
they've put on sale.  I think they're all olive, I didn't notice any khakis 
or browns, they've had them for awhile now (stocked up on them not long 
after Grant's book tour).   

Anywho, they asked that I mention them here, in case anyone was looking for 
something that RBW might be out-of-stock on

http://mtnsportsltd.com/ 



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[RBW] WTB: bike poncho/cape

[Tony DeFilippo]

Hey Erl, if you have one laying around you might try just going with a regular 
poncho to see what you think.  I rode in an old army poncho once last year and 
it was ok, I tucked the excess in and sat on it...  I'm sure a cycling one 
would be a better solution though.

I missed riding the past two days but got absolutely slammed with rain Tuesday 
evening.  My M65 field jacket did ok, right arm leaked at the elbow but that 
was about it. It was windy to, I wonder about ponchos in the wind even when 
they are bike-optimized.

Let us know if you try one out!

Tony

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[RBW] WTB: bike poncho/cape

[WETH]

Thanks.  I'll keep an eye on that auction!  But, wow, $20 shipping makes it 
pricey already. Thanks again for alerting me to this.

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[RBW] WTB: bike poncho/cape

[WETH]

Thanks.  I'll keep an eye on that auction!

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[RBW] WTB: bike poncho/cape

[Jonathan D.]

Erl,

I️ thought about bidding on this but really don’t need another jacket.  I️ saw 
a medium poncho at Rivelo but no larger. Would be curious to head your 
impressions. 

https://m.ebay.com/itm/Grundens-Bike-Poncho-Large-Rivendell-designed-/253247845797

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Re: [RBW] "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Clayton.sf]

This is silly. It is a single speed or a manual shifter bike. For single speed 
you need an EBB, sliders, or horizontatal drops. Adding a "dangler" to it is 
like saying "I am not shifting my derailer bike so it is a single speed". 

regarding vertical drops, yes better, but not as good as through axles once you 
enter disc territory. Better for caliper braked derailer bikes though, IF the 
frame is straight enough.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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Re: [RBW] "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[George Cline]

Sorry, but why on Earth are vertical dropouts preferable on a single speed?

That makes a chain tensioner, eccentric bottom bracket or rear hub mandatory. 
No thanks.

George in NoCal

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Re: [RBW] "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Christopher Murray]

Is this BLUG a response to the “3-Speed MTBing Resources?” thread? It seems too 
much of a coincidence. 

Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Patrick Moore]

We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again—but if you ride dirt and
carry stuff and climb super steep hills and don’t have a bike-purist hang
up, get a frame with vertical drop outs and set it up like the picture
above.

Is this said by way of opposition, so that the "classic" single speed frame
*will* have horizontals? I hope so, since I may be in the market for one,
if it is a road type bike. The "but" would seem to indicate "yes" to the
dropout question..



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[RBW] WTB: bike poncho/cape

[WETH]

it's been raining on and off all week, and I am sick of my leaky Shower Pass 
rain jacket.  I want to experiment with using a cape/poncho.  Anyone have one 
they want to sell? Ideally looking for a:  Grudens size large (Riv is out of 
stock), J rain cape, or carradice pro-route.

Thanks,
Erl 
damp and cold in DC

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[RBW] FS: Parts Bin Purge

[Keith Muller]

Update:  Price Drop

TA Crankset $275

Nitto Cockpit $250

Phil BB $90

All prices are shipped.

Keith

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sage Green 64cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frameset

[Keith Muller]

Price Drop!  $750 will get the fine frame shipped to you!

Keith

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree with Will that vertical dropouts are preferable for ALMOST 
everybody.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> ...says Will in the November 9th (today) Blug post.
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[RBW] "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

...says Will in the November 9th (today) Blug post.

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[RBW] Enjoying autumn colors

[Paul in Dallas]

I also enjoyed your autumn pictures very much.

Thanks for sharing them with the group.

Paul in Dallas

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[RBW] Re: FS Silver Power Ratchet Shifters and Bar-end Pods

[Bill Lindsay]

Not only do the stubby IRD shifters work on the bar-end pods, they are 
ideal on the bar-end pods.  Regular Silver downtube shifters on bar end 
pods work fine but they really are long.  The stubby IRD variant is closer 
to the length of Shimano and Suntour bar-end shifters.  They are great.  

In fact, it's a great pro-tip to buy a set of IRD thumbies purely for the 
purpose of using the thumbie base with a nice downtube shifter, and then 
use the stubby shifter as a great barcon shifter.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 7:25:29 AM UTC-8, Jon BALER wrote:
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> Do the bar-end pods work with the ird shifters?  I already have the ird 
> shifters on a choco bar, and was considering switching to a albastache bar 
> with bar end shifters.
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[RBW] Re: 46cm appa clearance

[KenP]

I have 51 Appaloosa and 42MM tires and fenders with lots of space, so, I 
think  ca. 46mm size would fit.  WTB has a 650BX47 tire.  For a wider tire, 
Riv suggested trying  wider fenders, by cutting out the fenders near the 
chain stay and around the front fork crown.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 4:48:01 AM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
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> Looking to buy one soon for my wife. Just wondering if anyone who owns one 
> has fendered a rat trap pass w reasonable clearance? I’m trying to decide 
> what tires to build around.  I’d be happy w anything 40-50mm ish. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Sky in new west 
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[RBW] Re: FS Silver Power Ratchet Shifters and Bar-end Pods

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Hey, Jon-

Yeah, the bar-end pods will work with IRD shifters. 

Cheers,
Tim 

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> Do the bar-end pods work with the ird shifters?  I already have the ird 
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> with bar end shifters.
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[RBW] WTB: 55-56cm Riv

[Carla Waugh]

Possibly a Sam email me if you need more info. lhtbikert...@gmail.com

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[RBW] Enjoying autumn colors

[Ian A]

Hello Takashi

Beautiful photos. The photos seem to be in a quiet and remote region, but the 
absense of vehicles in the photos is interesting. I am curious as to how much 
traffic you encounter on such rides and how the interaction with car drivers 
is. 

Do you find people driving at quite high speeds on these narrow country lanes? 

I grew up in the countryside around southern England and as an adolescent rode 
many miles along narrow country lanes. Cars were often traveling too fast along 
these lanes, but I felt safe enough. The drivers were used to discovering a 
tractor or horse around every corner so were alert. 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Winter tires - studded

[Ian A]

>From my experience, studs are an asset. In my region, there is a freeze thaw 
>cycle at times that leave invisible ice at low points, run-off points. This is 
>when studs are unbelievably useful. I've been surprised a few times when I've 
>stopped for some reason and put my foot down to discover my boot slips out 
>immediately. I can ride across ice that affords no traction underfoot, but the 
>studs and agressive tread of the tires find good purchase. Cornering when 
>surprised by ice can be very tricky, although the tires do help massively 
>there too and I've been saved a few times.

It all depends on local conditions and riding style of course. My tires are 
slow as molasses, like I'm towing a trailer full of groceries some days, but 
for the sake of an extra 5 - 7mins on a 6 mile ride to work, it's well worth it 
for the control the tires offer. 

I'm using 26" x 2.1" Schwalbe Marathon winter tires, with agressive lugs and a 
lot of studs. After five winters they are starting to lose a few studs, but 
they work perfectly still. Lighter winter studded tires are available, which 
could be a good compromise. 

IanA/The North

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[RBW] Re: Panaracer Gravelking 650b - reviews - experience

[Jeremy Tavan]

I just put the 38mm ones on my Kogswell, because the 42mm Compass tires 
were interacting poorly with the fenders. They're definitely not as supple 
and smooth as the Compass tires, but seem acceptable so far. No flats yet, 
but I haven't yet put more than a hundred miles on them.

/Jeremy

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>
> Trying to decide on tires for a new build. This bike would be used as an 
> everything bike but mostly on road riding. They come in 38, 42 and 48 
> sizes. 
> I'm looking for a less expensive alternative to Compass that has better 
> flat protection since I will be commuting on this bike. 
>
> Anyone had any experience with these tires, please share. 
>
> Paul
> Santa Clara CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[Ryan Fleming]

Next fall for Autumn shots...earlier winter than last year :)

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 7:35:58 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>
> Thank you Ryan.
> I suppose that your mixte would look very pretty beneath leaves of 
> Canadian trees.
> I'd like to see pictures of your ride!
>
> Takashi
>
> Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I love your pictures. So evocative! Autumn is my favourite season, but in 
>> Winnipeg , MB the autumn colours maybe last 6-7 weeks. Depending on the 
>> weather, especially the wind our trees can be pretty naked by Halloween. I 
>> do love the colours while they last though in cloudy or clear conditions
>>
>> *"A**utumn...the year's last, loveliest smile"*  From "Indian Summer" by 
>> William Cullen Bryant (or John Howard Bryant who was his brother)
>>
>
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[RBW] Experience with Wolf elliptical chainring?

[Clayton.sf]

even works with singlespeed. no tensioner needed.

Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Experience with Wolf elliptical chainring?

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

I wonder if one of these would work with a Rohloff driven bike equipped with a 
chain tensioner. It seems to me that it would. 

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[RBW] Re: POST YOUR BIKE PICS ON FLICKR RIVENDELL SITE

[Max S]

Those are some very nice bikes and locations!! 

(I think there will be a 650b Hunqapillar in my future... one day...) 

- M

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 10:14:24 AM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> I saw a post where owners were wanting a site to up load photos of their 
> Rivendells.
> Rivendell has a site on flickr.
> https://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell/pool/
> Jon
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[RBW] Re: 52cm, 650b-wheeled Quickbeam for sale.

[stevef]

Grant was right when he said it was hard to sell smaller sized bikes!  B-)

Anyone interested at $900?  Or make me an offer...  Thanks, Steve

On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote:
>
> I bought this new from Riv in 2010  It's from the last/final batch of 
> Quickbeams they did.  It's silver with blue trim, and - unique to that last 
> batch - is a 52cm frame built around sidepull brakes and 650b wheels.  It 
> easily fits Hetres with fenders, and is a great riding bike.  But I find 
> that singlespeed/fixed riding just isn't much fun for me anymore.  I've 
> only ridden it once or twice a season the last few years, so I'm thinking I 
> should let it pass to someone who would enjoy it more.  I'd like to limit 
> potential buyers to those willing and able to meet up within 100 miles or 
> so of Lansing, Michigan for now-if nothing comes of it, I will consider 
> shipping at some point.  Or just keep it.  We'll see.
>
> It's not stock-the wheels, brakes, stem and headset are the only original 
> parts I think.
>
> It has a White Industries Dos Enos 19/17 double freewheel on the rear 
> wheels flip side and 16t fixed cog on the flop side.  It has a Sugino 
> 110mmBCD double crankset with (as I recall) 40/38-t rings mounted on an, as 
> I recall, Sugino 103mm spindle bottom bracket.
>
> Tires are 1st gen, 38mm PariMotos with little wear, an indicator of how 
> little I've ridden it lately.
>
> Silver, Zero set back post and Selle San Marco Regal saddle.
>
> Grey Shimano cable housing and metallic blue Fizik Microtex tape (over 
> Fizik gel padding) are nice matches for the silver and blue frame.  Bars 
> are silver 44cm wide Soma HWY1, which feature a short reach and shallow 
> drop. Brake levers are small-hands-specific Tektro Ergos. 
>
> SKS 50mm wide fenders with quick release sockets front and rear.  (having 
> the QR in back makes it much easier to remove the rear wheel.)
>
> Also included, Crane bell, Zefal frame pump and an older but good 
> condition black Acorn saddle bag.  Pedals of various sorts are also 
> available, if wanted.
>
> I'd like $1,100 but will consider offers.  No trades desired.  
>
> I think that's about it-it's very clean, never been crashed or dropped. 
> Well, it's a little dusty, actually-when I do ride it, it is usually on 
> mixed dirt/paved road rides.  But there's scarcely a mark on it.  It's also 
> quite a rare bird-there aren't many out there.
>
> A few recent pics at the top of my Flick'r feed:
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/with/35483685203/
>
> Steve, East Lansing, MI
>
>
>

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[RBW] Experience with Wolf elliptical chainring?

[Deacon Patrick]

That makes sense, Clayton. I would think it is more noticable for lower 
cadance, higher torque riding — a lot of what I do, kwhich magnifies the 
“jouncy” pedaling.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[somervillebikes]

Takashi,

Thank you for those beautiful photos. They brought a smile to me, too. It 
looks so lovely there, and even reminds me of my childhood home in the 
Catskill mountains of NYS.

Best,

Anton


On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 9:13:12 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I visited Aizu area in October and had great time riding there, so I 
> thought I'd share.
> Aizu is located at northern part of Japan.
> It seems that living in the area is tough (not enough flat land for 
> agriculture, heavy snowfall during winter, etc), but oh the sceneries were 
> so beautiful.
>
> I was there for two days, cloudy on Saturday and raining all day on Sunday.
> I enjoyed on both days, even during rain. Quietness, chilly and damp air, 
> they made sceneries look even more beautiful. (I'm pretty sure that Deacon 
> Patrick agrees!)
>
> Pictures:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsm787CSr
>
> Takashi
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Panaracer Gravelking 650b - reviews - experience

[Eric Norris]

I’ve put a few hundred miles on a set of Gravelkings. My impression is that 
they ride as well as Pari-Motos. I haven’t had any flats with these tires that 
I can recall, but I can’t say for sure whether they’re more flat-resistant than 
other tires.

One minor quibble is the size of the sidewall decals—they are HUGE! Not the 
tire to get if you want a discrete, stealth look.

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> On Nov 9, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Paul Choi  wrote:
> 
> Trying to decide on tires for a new build. This bike would be used as an 
> everything bike but mostly on road riding. They come in 38, 42 and 48 sizes. 
> I'm looking for a less expensive alternative to Compass that has better flat 
> protection since I will be commuting on this bike. 
> 
> Anyone had any experience with these tires, please share. 
> 
> Paul
> Santa Clara CA
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[RBW] Experience with Wolf elliptical chainring?

[Clayton.sf]

I use an absolute black oval ring on my Jones mtb. the theory behind it is that 
it smoothes out  peaks and valleys of power to the drivetrain and thus 
resulting in more traction. Been running one since they first came out. I 
really wanted to dismiss the ring when I first got it but the hype feels true 
to me. Nothing really drastic but felt noticeable, especially in singlespeed 
mode. Never bothered with them on "road" bikes but will consider once current 
rings wear out.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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[RBW] Panaracer Gravelking 650b - reviews - experience

[Paul Choi]

Trying to decide on tires for a new build. This bike would be used as an 
everything bike but mostly on road riding. They come in 38, 42 and 48 
sizes. 
I'm looking for a less expensive alternative to Compass that has better 
flat protection since I will be commuting on this bike. 

Anyone had any experience with these tires, please share. 

Paul
Santa Clara CA

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[RBW] Re: Goofy question about silver shifters

[Joel Koitmaa]

I've quieted them by gently squeezing the D together (inward) with a pair 
of electricians pliers. Put something soft between the tool and the ring.

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 6:14:25 PM UTC-7, nash...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have a pair of silver shifters set up as thumbies on a set of sunrace 
> mounts with the 'Roman Mod' done.  They are very nice and I like them but 
> the little metal rings on the adjuster nuts rattle and drive me a little 
> nuts. 
>
> Any tips on how to quiet them down?  
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Experience with Wolf elliptical chainring?

[Deacon Patrick]

This looks to be the old biopace but actually done correctly, with the teeth 
increase happening in the power stroke rather than the gap between strokes.
https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/collections/powertrac-elliptical/products/elliptical-110-bcd-chainrings

Here’s what they said when I called them: If you’re used to a 38t round ring, 
buy a 38t elliptical ring. You’ll pedal with the power of a 40t ring, but with 
the feel and effort of a 38t ring because there is less time between power 
strokes so pedaling is smoother an more efficient.

Anyone have experience with these? I need to replace my wide-narrow ring 
anyway, so am thinking of giving these a shot.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[RichS]

Takashi,

Thanks for the beautiful images. I have a Bar Sack as well and I admire 
your creativity in adapting the bag to work on a front rack. Nice work!

Regards,
Richard

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 9:58:43 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> Decaleur I made up by buying a basket hardware,
> http://www.cb-asahi.co.jp/item/36/08/item10030836.html
> and adding a piece of metal, Nitto rack struts, and Nitto BarSack Rack 
> (F15).
>
> I made it up because I love my BarSack (which requires BarSack Rack) AND I 
> wanted to put the bag on the front rack.
> If you're OK with other bag (e.g., Berthoud), simply buying a Compass or 
> VO decaleur should be easier and more elegant.
>
> Takashi
>
>
> lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Can you tell us about that decaleur?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautiful, Takashi! I always love your annual convex mirror photo — just wee 
enough that it doesn’t mess with my vertigo. I have two such mirrors on one of 
my routes (and need for more on other routes but they go wanting so far!) and 
in actual life it messes with vertigo so I don’t use them and tilt my hat bill 
to block them.

It is amazing and wondrous how similar yet different autumn is the world over, 
(outside the tropic zone). Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS Silver Power Ratchet Shifters and Bar-end Pods

[Jon BALER]

Do the bar-end pods work with the ird shifters?  I already have the ird 
shifters on a choco bar, and was considering switching to a albastache bar with 
bar end shifters.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[Takashi]

Thank you Mike. I'm glad that you enjoyed pictures.

Takashi


Mike Williams wrote:
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> Great photos Takashi,  thank you for sharing
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[Takashi]

Patrick,

In Aizu area, it tends to be rainy in this season of year.
I am glad I visited there even if it was raining.
Next time I visit, I will be careful not to miss elves!

Here are pictures of the ride on a week after it, in Nagano (near where I 
live). Sunny this time!
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm7uEN3F

Takashi


Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I was particularly struck by the misty, wet forest scenes -- very 
> different from high desert New Mexico, and not at all what we in most of 
> the US would first think of at the mention of "fall pictures." But 
> beautiful; one imagines elusive Tolkein-ian elves threading their way 
> unobtrusively through the undergrowth on their way to some mystical elven 
> gathering (probably to get drunk on miruvor. (Which leads my undisciplined 
> imagination toward that Simpson's parody of the Disney Snow White dwarfs, 
> but let's not go there).
>
> If you have more photos, please post them!
>
> Patrick "Ho hi, ho hi!" Moore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Enjoying autumn colors

[Takashi]

Thank you Ryan.
I suppose that your mixte would look very pretty beneath leaves of Canadian 
trees.
I'd like to see pictures of your ride!

Takashi

Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I love your pictures. So evocative! Autumn is my favourite season, but in 
> Winnipeg , MB the autumn colours maybe last 6-7 weeks. Depending on the 
> weather, especially the wind our trees can be pretty naked by Halloween. I 
> do love the colours while they last though in cloudy or clear conditions
>
> *"A**utumn...the year's last, loveliest smile"*  From "Indian Summer" by 
> William Cullen Bryant (or John Howard Bryant who was his brother)
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[RBW] Re: FS: All-Paul SS Set Up, and Misc

[MartyG]

Front rack pending. 

On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 4:21:01 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
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> Crankset pending. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Patrick Moore]

Speaking of Joe Clark and Kebec: I recall a CBC satirical group mercilessly
poking fun at Conservative Prime Minister (very briefly) Joe Clark back in
the day, but that's neither here nor there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pktt77AJjNo

Patrick "Be still my fervid imagination" Moore

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Wasn't there an icebikelist? A Google, vb, intr, calls up this:
> http://www.icebike.org/the-history-of-ice-biking-and-winter-cycling/
>
> And this: https://joeclark.org/icebike.html
>
> I see that this was updated as recently as 2005 ...
>
> I recall a back page feature in the Montreal Gazette or whatever big
> English Sunday paper sold in la Ville de Kebec almost 40 years ago about an
> intrepid winter cyclist in Quebec City, who made the memorable remark, "I
> don't even get warmed up before I've gone 10 miles." I recall being vaguely
> envious. Kebec was in the snow belt and got an average of 13 feet a year.
>
> Of course, Deek joins the 2 impossible criteria of riding in very cold
> weather, and riding in very mountainous terrain, so he's got his own set of
> problems.
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>
>> Jim, Extreme cold poses the issue of needing lighter lubricant, but does
>> not post the challenge of thaw, mist, freeze. That’s a very different issue.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>


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Re: [RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[Patrick Moore]

Wasn't there an icebikelist? A Google, vb, intr, calls up this:
http://www.icebike.org/the-history-of-ice-biking-and-winter-cycling/

And this: https://joeclark.org/icebike.html

I see that this was updated as recently as 2005 ...

I recall a back page feature in the Montreal Gazette or whatever big
English Sunday paper sold in la Ville de Kebec almost 40 years ago about an
intrepid winter cyclist in Quebec City, who made the memorable remark, "I
don't even get warmed up before I've gone 10 miles." I recall being vaguely
envious. Kebec was in the snow belt and got an average of 13 feet a year.

Of course, Deek joins the 2 impossible criteria of riding in very cold
weather, and riding in very mountainous terrain, so he's got his own set of
problems.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Jim, Extreme cold poses the issue of needing lighter lubricant, but does
> not post the challenge of thaw, mist, freeze. That’s a very different issue.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>

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