Re: [RBW] MIT Atlantis frames have arrived at RBW

[Brett Callahan]

Lester, have you received any more recent update, or a shipping notice?
 
-Anxiously awaiting a frame in PDX, Brett

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[RBW] Billie Bar initial review

[Brett Callahan]

Ive received mine and will add my first impressions. I've only mounted and 
ridden around the block, so hardly a detailed review. 

First, I'll need a longer stem.  These are way longer than the albatross. A 
good trade considering there seems to be a full hand's worth of real estate in 
front of the levers now.

I like the flare.  It's noticeable coming from the albatross, but these are 
still nice and swept back.  I mounted mine upside down for a slight drop.   
They'll go rightside up eventually, but this was a fun experiment.  

FLEX. There's a noticeable amount of flex to these that I never experienced 
with albatross bars.  It's similar to what you get with a wide drop bar.  Could 
be good, could be bad, but for now it's just a little surprising.  

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Re: [RBW] MIT Atlantis frames have arrived at RBW

[Ed Fausto]

Oh no!
I miss the last size 50 Atlantis. :-(
Well, its good for my credit card.

Maybe its a sign that I should wait for Riv's new Mountain bike :-)


On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 12:30 AM, Brett Callahan 
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> Yes! Billie bars came yesterday, new frame soon.  I can't wait.
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[RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[Surlyprof]

+1 on the Gino Light Mount.  I use them mounted on the side of my front 
rack and they work great (light mounts upside down under a Wald).  I 
believe you can mount them on the fork braze on as well but my have to 
change bolt size.  Can't remember for sure.  

John

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:42:03 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Gino Light Mount is a good option for front illumination. Even better if 
> you have mid-fork eyelets.
>
> https://paulcomp.com/shop/components/gino-light-mount/
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 10:49:17 PM UTC-7, Mark Anderson wrote:
>>
>> If your brake-mounted headlight falls into your wheel, that means your 
>> front brake has detached from the fork.  In that case the light may make 
>> you crash, but you'd crash without the light too. 
>> -- 
>> Mark Anderson 
>
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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[tc]

I'd guess 61, which is what I ordered, but haven't received yet, so hoping 
I'm right!

I'm 6'-1", 90.5 PBH.  My only Riv with drop bars is a 58 Sam (8cm Tallux 
stem, 46 Noodle) which I really like the fit of.  I totalled the [ETT + 
stem reach + bar reach] to come up with a similar measurement for the 
Roadini ... which caused me to order a 6cm stem for it.  Riv didn't have a 
6cm Tallux.  So I ordered a 6cm Technomic Deluxe from Ben's Cycle 
,
 
which has the brushed finish of the Tallux but is 190mm tall vs. 225 for 
the Tallux, but I figure with the tall head tube of the Roadini, that 
should offer more than plenty of height extension.  You can actually get a 
5cm Technomic Deluxe if you need something shorter.

Good luck with your decision!

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has RBW ever made bibs?

[M D Smith]

Funny.  I just came across a set (brace?) of the blue Rivendell suspenders 
during spring cleaning the other day.

I’d forgotten I ever had them.  Never worn them, not even once.  

If anyone wants ‘em, let me know off list (Beewak at gmail.)  10 bucks?  

-Mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Melvin SS kit

[Joe Bernard]

FS rescinded. I talked myself outta the new bike so I'm keeping the Melvin. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has RBW ever made bibs?

[William!]

Bibs? Like, for babies? 

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Re: [RBW] ird power ratchet shifters keep loosening

[Drw]

Similar issues with bolt loosening and internal friction loss. 

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I've been a member for about 4 years and If I remember correctly there used to 
be more ride reports and S240 reports then there are now.
Maybe those are being posted on social media now days.
I enjoy seeing members new builds  and how they configure their bikes and 
members product reviews.
I personally am frustrated when I post a picture it gets flipped upside down in 
the transfer. I'm guessing its  Android or Microsoft to blame.
Keep up the good work Jim
Jon
Keep up the good work Jim

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[RBW] NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[LBleriot]

For me it comes down to whether fenders means I can ride vs. not ride.  I’m 
lucky enough to have both fendered and non-fendered choices.  I put fenders on 
my go fast Roadini and now I ride it in snotty weather and wet roads which 
means I enjoy it more. 

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[RBW] Re: Wider Bars, Shorter Stem? Switched to 48cm Noodles.

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Forest and David: pictures please! :)

I'm getting together parts for Black Mountain monster cross build now and 
should have something to share in a few weeks too!

Cheers,
Tim O.
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[LBleriot]

I would hate to see legit FS threads chased away.  2 of my beloved Rivs and one 
gem of a Heron found new homes with me through this forum. I do more lurking 
than contributing and I know some good people who sell things here are in the 
same category.  A big part of why I come here is to hit the elusive Riv FS 
lottery and to keep the brand rolling.

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Re: [RBW] ird power ratchet shifters keep loosening

[wcp444]

The bolt loosening is no longer the problem.
The problem is now that there is no internal friction in the shifter even with 
the bolt fully tightened.  The front derailleur spring pulls the shift lever 
down no matter how much I tighten the bolt.


 Original message From: LBleriot  Date: 
5/21/18  9:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: RBW Owners Bunch 
 Subject: [RBW] ird power ratchet shifters 
keep loosening 
+1 on the beeswax recommendation.  A tiny piece softened in your fingers and 
pushed into the threads will create the friction you need to keep the bolt from 
loosening.

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[RBW] ird power ratchet shifters keep loosening

[LBleriot]

+1 on the beeswax recommendation.  A tiny piece softened in your fingers and 
pushed into the threads will create the friction you need to keep the bolt from 
loosening.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[sameness]

::serious but irrational regret emoji::

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[Reid Echols]

Me too :( 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[CMR]

Sold to someone luckier than me!

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[RBW] Re: NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Eric Douglas]

Eric in Brooklyn here:

There is all sort of gross stuff on NYC streets. I like to keep it off me 
and my drivetrain.



On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:40:03 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. wrote:
>
> Garbage juice spritzer is the key to winning just riding in NYC. I've been 
> without fenders for a year and am stinkier/better than ever! That blurted, 
> the only reason I haven't been using them is that I laminated up my own 
> fenders and have had the job of rigging homemade fender stays on the 
> backburner forever...***
> -Kai
> BKNY
>  
> ***just set up a new to me surly ogre and it's fendered with matching 
> plastics.
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ird power ratchet shifters keep loosening

[Bill Lindsay]

Have a good mechanic look at it.  A good mechanic who understands how that 
mechanism works should be able to look at it and determine what exactly 
isn't working and then can recommend what needs to be done to fix it.  You 
need an expert diagnosis.  As a mechanic I need three senses: touch, sight, 
and sound, to diagnose most things.  You could take a series of photographs 
and give me the sight part.  You may be able to film a movie to give me 
sight and sound.  There's no substitute for touch though.  

I know those shifters well, so if I had your bike in my stand I'm sure I'd 
have your diagnosis done in 30 seconds or so. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 5:14:27 PM UTC-7, Jon BALER wrote:
>
> So the loctite did the trick last year, and shifters have been good until 
> today.
>
> Except now my front shifter has lost all friction.  I tighten the 
> adjustment screw fully, but the lever can't hold position.   Thoughts?
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 9:15:43 PM UTC-5, Dave Penegar wrote:
>>
>> Mine keep loosening as well...I should have stayed w/ the Paul/shimano 
>> combo but will try the blue loctite...
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 6:54:07 AM UTC-5, Jon BALER wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody else have a problem with ird power ratchet shifters frequently 
>>> loosening up?  My rear shifter needs to be tightened every about 1-2 times 
>>> a week (my commute is ~100 miles/week).   It's easy enough to tighten while 
>>> riding, but there should be a way to avoid this.   I'm talking about the 
>>> shifting lever moving on its own, not the bar clamp.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Joe Bernard]

A bump is when the thing doesn't sell so you put another plug in for it. I 
recently had a bike that I bumped about once a week for a few weeks then gave 
up, which I think is what Jim is looking for: Post it, give it 2 or 3 weekly 
shots, then come up with a new plan like Craigslist or whatever if it's still 
around. 

The decision I made about that bike is it doesn't have the value here that I 
need to get to let it go, so it's mine until I decide to 'fire sale' it later 
on down the road.  

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Bill Lindsay]

This may or may not be a helpful datapoint in your search.  I have/had two 
Black Mountain Road bikes in 59cm.  One was at my home and the other lives 
at my Mom's house.  There was a semi-desperate WTB post recently on iBob 
and I went ahead and sold one of my two 59cm Black Mountain Road frames.  
That freed up a spot in my stable for a Leo R.  I was between a 54 and a 
57.  I'm 5'10" with a ~86cm PBH.  I consulted with Cory and he set the 54 
and the 57 demo bikes up with my saddle height and emailed me photographs 
of both.  The 54 looked weird, in my opinion and the 57 looked like a nice 
civilized setup.  The stack is about an inch higher than what I normally 
run, so I might end up with my stem slammed, or I might end up more 
comfortable than ever before.  I'm picking up my Leo Roadini on Wednesday.  
It will be wearing a pretty light build kit, so it'll be interesting to see 
if it's feasible to have a 20 pound Leo.  

Data point of one.  Between sizes, I chose to go bigger

*Bill Lindsay*
El Cerrito, CA  

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 7:45:49 AM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I will surely give him a call.  I have a feeling the 61 is going to be the 
> way to go.  Every time I find a frame that I think will work for me stack 
> and reach wise I go back to thinking, why am I looking around when the 
> Roadini already exists.  It is so ridiculous that such a simple steel road 
> bike with standard threadings and parts can be so outside the box for 
> sizing these days.  And when I find something in the price range of the 
> Roadini, like the barrage of used titanium road frames on eBay, I come back 
> to three main points:
>
> 1  Max clearance on most of those is at best, a 28, which is nothing on 
> the Roadini.
>
> 2.  I will really be pushing the limits of what I want for stack and reach 
> and compromising perhaps the most important aspect of a bike for me these 
> days, comfort.  Seems kind of silly.
>
> 3.  I am not going to crit race anytime soon.  Nuff said.
>
> The BMC road disc is pretty sweet.  Not opposed to discs at all, but 
> honestly, it still doesn't have the all day stack and reach comfort of the 
> Roadini.  Seems like I keep coming back to that.  I've owned enough bikes 
> over the years to know that I've been on too many ill fitting bikes to make 
> that compromise again.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Garth]

  
  My thoughts are . I appreciate this group very much .  

As for "moderation" in general ... "enjoy a few drinks of good cheer in 
spirited moderation, but don't take advantage of the bartender by gettin' 
drunk on it and expecting the bartender or anyone else to clean up your 
mess. "

As for selling . in essence to me sellers are "selling themselves" to a 
large extent in the way they sell their goods. How it's presented, the 
thoughtfulness or lack thereof, really looking at their own "for sale post" 
as a buyer, and not the seller. Is it informative with item details and 
prices and shipping ?  Clear photos easily seen ?  Would I buy this from 
myself ?  Things like that 




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[RBW] NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Kainalu V.]

Garbage juice spritzer is the key to winning just riding in NYC. I've been 
without fenders for a year and am stinkier/better than ever! That blurted, the 
only reason I haven't been using them is that I laminated up my own fenders and 
have had the job of rigging homemade fender stays on the backburner 
forever...***
-Kai
BKNY
 
***just set up a new to me surly ogre and it's fendered with matching plastics.
 


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[RBW] Re: ird power ratchet shifters keep loosening

[Jon BALER]

So the loctite did the trick last year, and shifters have been good until 
today.

Except now my front shifter has lost all friction.  I tighten the 
adjustment screw fully, but the lever can't hold position.   Thoughts?

On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 9:15:43 PM UTC-5, Dave Penegar wrote:
>
> Mine keep loosening as well...I should have stayed w/ the Paul/shimano 
> combo but will try the blue loctite...
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 6:54:07 AM UTC-5, Jon BALER wrote:
>>
>> Anybody else have a problem with ird power ratchet shifters frequently 
>> loosening up?  My rear shifter needs to be tightened every about 1-2 times 
>> a week (my commute is ~100 miles/week).   It's easy enough to tighten while 
>> riding, but there should be a way to avoid this.   I'm talking about the 
>> shifting lever moving on its own, not the bar clamp.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

Bill,

Thanks, that explains some anomalous behavior of the saddle horn. I was moving 
fast, and missed it.

rod

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[CapNMike]

Hello Dave,

I think we are close to the same size. I am 6' 1" ,my PBH is 90.5 cm and my 
saddle height is 77 cm. I chose a 61 cm Roadini. I have about 9 cm of seat 
post showing. I went with 48 cm Nitto Noodles and a 9 cm stem. 

I have Jack Brown Green tires on A23 rims. I haven't measured the tires 
since mounting them so am not certain of the actual size but there is room. 
I have Tektro Brakes, the 539 model, I think. I will need a different brake 
option if I decide to go with a wider tire. I seem to recall someone 
mentioning that they used center pull brakes and were able to fit 38 mm 
Compass tires and I may try that in the future as I am quite please with 
the Barlow Pass tires on my AHH. 

I set the bike up as a single speed with a WI ENO Eccentric hub build by 
Rich at Rivendell. I have a DOS 16/19 freewheel on one side and a 16 tooth 
fixed gear on the flip side. I don't have many miles on the fixed gear as I 
haven't quite gotten used to it. 

If I can offer any other measurements please let me know. If you live near 
Lansing, Michigan I am happy to let you take it for a test ride.

Please excuse the quality of the photos. I took them in the rain after work 
today. 

-Best of luck,

Mike










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[RBW] Re: (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Bill Lindsay]

The seatpost is backwards in the photo.  I'm sure you know that?

Congrats on new bike day.  

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 4:32:42 PM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> I got my consort a 45cm Clem-L complete bike. This arrived Saturday, and I 
> put it together today.
>
> Peeking in the box: fun with lossless compression.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Out of the box, but still in a yoga position.
>
>
> 
>
>
> Now it's a bike (some assembly and a bit of grease and anti-seize 
> required).
>
>
> 
>
>
> Immediately thereafter, the bike escaped the basement and Ellen did some 
> tentative riding, to permit adjustment of saddle and handlebar height (both 
> lowered). She also discovered that V-brakes aren't like the other children, 
> but no harm done (I think). Still to be added are lights, a bell, a water 
> bottle cage, and a saddlebag, and likely a set of Compass Naches Pass 
> Extralights. We'll take a shake-down cruise together tomorrow.
>
>
> rod
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

I got my consort a 45cm Clem-L complete bike. This arrived Saturday, and I 
put it together today.

Peeking in the box: fun with lossless compression.





Out of the box, but still in a yoga position.




Now it's a bike (some assembly and a bit of grease and anti-seize required).




Immediately thereafter, the bike escaped the basement and Ellen did some 
tentative riding, to permit adjustment of saddle and handlebar height (both 
lowered). She also discovered that V-brakes aren't like the other children, 
but no harm done (I think). Still to be added are lights, a bell, a water 
bottle cage, and a saddlebag, and likely a set of Compass Naches Pass 
Extralights. We'll take a shake-down cruise together tomorrow.


rod





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Re: [RBW] NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Steven Sweedler]

Sounds like you need two bikes (at least)   Steve

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 5:03 PM Patch T  wrote:

> Hi Bunch,
>
> Forgive the NYC-specific post, but I know there's a lot out there and I
> would like to know your thoughts on fenders and seasons here.
>
> Namely, do you always wear them? Can I get away with removing them during
> the summer? Too wet?
>
> I prefer the look of a bike without. I'd like a wider tire currently. I
> enjoy tinkering and don't mind removing and reinstalling parts. I
> absolutely appreciate full coverage in significant rain, and do enjoy
> riding no matter what the weather is. I may have answered my own question.
>
> Would still like to know what habits y'all have.
>
> Patch
> BK/formerly LA
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Philip Williamson]

Is a "bump" the same as a "Here's what's left / price reduction" reply to 
your own original FS post? 
Is that even good form? ('cause I do that)

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
 


On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:25:28 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Ha! Thank you all for taking some time to give some feedback. I am very 
> happy that this devolved into an "opinionated discussion" about 
> bickering.  That's why you all make me smile... ;^)
>
> So - here are my current thoughts:
>
> FS (etc.) = A nice value added aspect of the list. There is a tag, which 
> helps those not interested skip over, and those who are searching cluster 
> the results. 
>
> Posting said FS (etc.) content = A privilege. Earned by positive 
> contributions to the group for ~30 days or so. 
>
> ^^^ Above will mean that a little tighter "non-moderated" process for 
> folks who do not actively post. 
>
> Transactional Behavior = Don't commit if you aren't going to follow 
> through. Communicate quickly and clearly via direct channels. But 
> understand that sometimes life does happen and be gracious if necessary.
>
> Original Poster Housekeeping = No more than one bump a week. If you have 
> had to bump more than three times, maybe something isn't clear or the 
> market is trying to tell you something. CLEARLY MARK "SOLD" when SOLD. Ok 
> to leave the listings up as it creates a reference for others. 
>
> Due Diligence/Caveat Emptor = Whoever is parting with the money (or goods 
> in a Trade) should engage in all the current due diligence practices to 
> protect themselves. Buyer assumes all risk. 
>
> I'm going to update the description . Thank you all for taking the time to 
> respond.
>
> - Jim / admin
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[tc]

Many thanks, Jim!  All reasonable. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Big Payoff--Californa State Mountain Bike Championships

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks to all of the above for the kind words.  

Scott commented how most of us didn't have the opportunity to race bikes in 
high school.  I did see a North Orange County Composite team jersey, and 
talked to the kid wearing it.  I confirmed that if I had a time machine and 
could go to Troy high School again, that North OC Composite is the team I'd 
race with.  The kid explained that they are a first year team with a total 
of three riders.  He goes to Fullerton High School.  We used the Fullerton 
High football stadium when I was at Troy.  There were a lot of other 
geographic attention getters.  There was a Corona Composite, and my inlaws 
are in Corona.  There was a Redlands High School team, reminding me of our 
friends in Redlands.  

Bill Lindsay
el Cerrito, CA

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 1:58:27 PM UTC-7, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> What a great day. and story Congratulations Bill. Reading this, I kind of 
> want to see the movie. Any idea when it will be out:)
>
> Scott "who sadly grew up before there were High School cycling leagues" 
> Calhoun
> Tucson,  AZ
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:13:13 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> As all the regulars know, I'm team mechanic and assistant coach for El 
>> Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team.  We're a Division 1 team in 
>> the Norcal League, Southern Conference.  Our conference is traditionally 
>> dominated by Salinas High School, but our local rivals are Berkeley High 
>> and Albany High.  Last year was a breakthrough season for us.  We finished 
>> 2nd only to Salinas in League.  This season we thought we had a chance 
>> against Salinas, but everything had to be perfect.  Meanwhile, it was 
>> pretty clear Berkeley was tired of getting beat, and was gunning for us 
>> with their massive team.  There were 5 league races, and while all of them 
>> were great, none of them was perfect.  Something went wrong each time
>>
>> Race 1:  Nitzan missed it for a religious ceremony.  Enzo finished third 
>> in his race, not realizing he had a broken collarbone.  We were 2nd place
>> Race 2:  Enzo missed the race with his broken collarbone.  Rainy 
>> conditions slowed down our top varsit boys. We were 2nd place
>> Race 3:  Enzo missed the race with his shoulder.  Maddie had a mechanical 
>> in the last mile and finished 2nd instead of her normal 1st.  We were 3rd 
>> in the race, 2nd overall
>> Race 4:  Enzo was back, but had to start in the very back of the field 
>> due to having so few points.  Maria was nipped at the line for 1st, the 
>> only race she didn't win.  Claire missed the race for a family event.  We 
>> were 3rd in the race, 2nd overall
>> Race 5:  Almost everyone had their perfect race.  We won JV Girls and 
>> Sophomore Girls.  We got a 3rd in Freshman Girls and a 4th in JV Girls.  We 
>> got a 2nd in Varsity Boys, Sophomore Boys and Freshman Boys.  We got a 10th 
>> in Varsity Boys as well.  All we needed to beat Salinas was a decent 
>> showing from our small but strong JV boys, but Tal, our top rider, switched 
>> bikes right before the start and had a derailer problem.  He switched bikes 
>> again, started 3 minutes behind the entire field, had the ride of his life 
>> to finish 6th anyway.  Then the 10 minute penalty for switching bikes 
>> placed him 18th.  He could have won that day.  Because of his low showing 
>> we placed second to Salinas, 14 points behind them, out of ~4000 total 
>> points.  We maintained our 2nd place finish in League
>>
>> At State Championships, three Leagues race together:  SoCal, NorCal 
>> North, and NorCal South.  The three leagues are roughly the same size and 
>> strength, traditionally.  So it was pretty normal to expect that if you 
>> finished 5th in League, you were probably going to finish 15th in State.  
>> The best El Cerrito has ever done was 10th as a team.  Our goal was to be 
>> the top team from our league.  In order to keep the fields relatively 
>> manageable, only the top ~60% of riders are allowed to compete.  Each of 
>> the 11 races are limited to a max field of 100, and all of them had about 
>> 80 riders in them, so it was a big event.  It was hosted in Petaluma, so it 
>> was the first time this season that our racers got to sleep in their own 
>> beds.  Things started great with the girls:  
>>
>> Maddie, who was first overall in League for JV Girls, finished 4th.  
>> Claire, who was 6th overall in League for JV Girls, finished 6th!  Amazing
>> Maria, who was first in League in Sophomore Girls, finished 3rd 
>>
>> That was amazing.  The next wave was the Sophomore Boys, who kept it going
>>
>> Nitzan was 6th overall in League, and finished on the podium in 5th
>> Keith was 8th overall in League, and finished 10th racing on my personal 
>> bike (Yes, I have the 10th fastest mountain bike in the State of 
>> California, and I can prove it)
>>
>> Freshman Boys was another slog for Enzo because he again had to race from 
>> the back of the pack but plowed through a 

[RBW] Re: NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Adam Adeane]

I leave them on all year round, and looking at the 10 day forecast just now 
suggests it's not a bad idea either.

Adam in Bed-Stuy

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 5:03:52 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hi Bunch,
>
> Forgive the NYC-specific post, but I know there's a lot out there and I 
> would like to know your thoughts on fenders and seasons here.
>
> Namely, do you always wear them? Can I get away with removing them during 
> the summer? Too wet?
>
> I prefer the look of a bike without. I'd like a wider tire currently. I 
> enjoy tinkering and don't mind removing and reinstalling parts. I 
> absolutely appreciate full coverage in significant rain, and do enjoy 
> riding no matter what the weather is. I may have answered my own question.
>
> Would still like to know what habits y'all have.
>
> Patch
> BK/formerly LA
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Brad]

 I also ride with fenders year round. Sometimes it's raining, sometimes it 
just stopped raining, and sometimes it's trash day and the streets are 
covered with hot garbage juice!

Brad
Queens

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 5:03:52 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hi Bunch,
>
> Forgive the NYC-specific post, but I know there's a lot out there and I 
> would like to know your thoughts on fenders and seasons here.
>
> Namely, do you always wear them? Can I get away with removing them during 
> the summer? Too wet?
>
> I prefer the look of a bike without. I'd like a wider tire currently. I 
> enjoy tinkering and don't mind removing and reinstalling parts. I 
> absolutely appreciate full coverage in significant rain, and do enjoy 
> riding no matter what the weather is. I may have answered my own question.
>
> Would still like to know what habits y'all have.
>
> Patch
> BK/formerly LA
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] RIV Catalog Arrived

[Greg Beachy]

Received in Louisville, KY. Love it. Have to admit that the picture of the Team 
on page 31 is interesting. Grant, really?

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[RBW] Shank Insole Stiffener Sources?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Howard. With fixed gear, I’m shifting to pedal retention and forefoot 
pedaling, hense the need for a stiffener.

My wife reminded me we have 1/4” plywood Purebond (no formaldahyde, though who 
knows what else is in there. My brain doesn’t like formaldehyde.). Cut inserts 
out of that.A bit thick, but may be workable. Time will tell.

Anyone know a source for formaldahyde free 1/8” plywood?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Tim Bantham]

I live upstate where the seasons are similar to what you have a little 
further south. I too have thought about this. I installed hammered metal VO 
Fenders on my Sam and I did so with great care. I have them set up with 
38mm tires and I really love the way they look. I personally don't like to 
hassle with them once they are installed so I will likely leave them on 
year round. That said, I have other bikes to ride if fenders would not be 
appropriate. Can't think of many scenarios like that other than deep mud. 
 

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 5:03:52 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hi Bunch,
>
> Forgive the NYC-specific post, but I know there's a lot out there and I 
> would like to know your thoughts on fenders and seasons here.
>
> Namely, do you always wear them? Can I get away with removing them during 
> the summer? Too wet?
>
> I prefer the look of a bike without. I'd like a wider tire currently. I 
> enjoy tinkering and don't mind removing and reinstalling parts. I 
> absolutely appreciate full coverage in significant rain, and do enjoy 
> riding no matter what the weather is. I may have answered my own question.
>
> Would still like to know what habits y'all have.
>
> Patch
> BK/formerly LA
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Jacob]

I ride with fenders all year round. The grime, animal/human waste, food, oil, 
salt, etc. on the streets is disgusting. I try to keep it off of my frame as 
much as possible.  Also makes the rainday decisions easier.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Melvin SS kit

[Joe Bernard]

Pashley Guv'nor with 2-speed kickback hub. Which kinda makes my 2-speed Pashley 
Clubman redundant, so it's going back to a 16-speed roadie-ish vibe. 

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[RBW] Re: Wider Bars, Shorter Stem? Switched to 48cm Noodles.

[Kieran J]

I'm running the 48 Noodles on my Rambouillet, using a 70mm Technomic. I 
wanted to a shorter stem because I'm using brifters and wanted a 
comfortable reach for riding primarily on the hoods with shifting and 
braking at hand. The Noodles have relatively long ramps.

When I was using the Albastaches on the same bike, I was running a 90mm 
stem. If I ever get a new road bike, the Noodles will go on that the the 
Albas will go back on the Ram.

KJ


On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 10:56:04 AM UTC-7, David B wrote:
>
> I've switched to 48cm Noodles on my Black Mountain Monstercross. I've 
> previously used Albastaches and before that had Nitto B132s, 44cm, which 
> are roughly 40cm at the hoods, so I'm going 8cm wider with Noodles.
> With the B132s, I was using an 11cm stem. With a 10cm stem and the 
> Noodles, I'm feeling like the bars are too far forward.
> I like the wider position, but didn't realize it would make such a big 
> difference in reach, though in hindsight that makes sense.
> Not really a question in here, but wondering if others had similar 
> experiences and how much shorter of a stem they ended up going with.
> David
> River Grove, IL
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[Patrick Moore]

Each box contains 100 patches.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... a box or a box and a half of Remas per year remained the norm.
>
>

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[RBW] NYC riders: fenders year-round?

[Patch T]

Hi Bunch,

Forgive the NYC-specific post, but I know there's a lot out there and I 
would like to know your thoughts on fenders and seasons here.

Namely, do you always wear them? Can I get away with removing them during 
the summer? Too wet?

I prefer the look of a bike without. I'd like a wider tire currently. I 
enjoy tinkering and don't mind removing and reinstalling parts. I 
absolutely appreciate full coverage in significant rain, and do enjoy 
riding no matter what the weather is. I may have answered my own question.

Would still like to know what habits y'all have.

Patch
BK/formerly LA



 


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[RBW] Re: Big Payoff--Californa State Mountain Bike Championships

[Scott Calhoun]

What a great day. and story Congratulations Bill. Reading this, I kind of 
want to see the movie. Any idea when it will be out:)

Scott "who sadly grew up before there were High School cycling leagues" 
Calhoun
Tucson,  AZ

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:13:13 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As all the regulars know, I'm team mechanic and assistant coach for El 
> Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team.  We're a Division 1 team in 
> the Norcal League, Southern Conference.  Our conference is traditionally 
> dominated by Salinas High School, but our local rivals are Berkeley High 
> and Albany High.  Last year was a breakthrough season for us.  We finished 
> 2nd only to Salinas in League.  This season we thought we had a chance 
> against Salinas, but everything had to be perfect.  Meanwhile, it was 
> pretty clear Berkeley was tired of getting beat, and was gunning for us 
> with their massive team.  There were 5 league races, and while all of them 
> were great, none of them was perfect.  Something went wrong each time
>
> Race 1:  Nitzan missed it for a religious ceremony.  Enzo finished third 
> in his race, not realizing he had a broken collarbone.  We were 2nd place
> Race 2:  Enzo missed the race with his broken collarbone.  Rainy 
> conditions slowed down our top varsit boys. We were 2nd place
> Race 3:  Enzo missed the race with his shoulder.  Maddie had a mechanical 
> in the last mile and finished 2nd instead of her normal 1st.  We were 3rd 
> in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 4:  Enzo was back, but had to start in the very back of the field due 
> to having so few points.  Maria was nipped at the line for 1st, the only 
> race she didn't win.  Claire missed the race for a family event.  We were 
> 3rd in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 5:  Almost everyone had their perfect race.  We won JV Girls and 
> Sophomore Girls.  We got a 3rd in Freshman Girls and a 4th in JV Girls.  We 
> got a 2nd in Varsity Boys, Sophomore Boys and Freshman Boys.  We got a 10th 
> in Varsity Boys as well.  All we needed to beat Salinas was a decent 
> showing from our small but strong JV boys, but Tal, our top rider, switched 
> bikes right before the start and had a derailer problem.  He switched bikes 
> again, started 3 minutes behind the entire field, had the ride of his life 
> to finish 6th anyway.  Then the 10 minute penalty for switching bikes 
> placed him 18th.  He could have won that day.  Because of his low showing 
> we placed second to Salinas, 14 points behind them, out of ~4000 total 
> points.  We maintained our 2nd place finish in League
>
> At State Championships, three Leagues race together:  SoCal, NorCal North, 
> and NorCal South.  The three leagues are roughly the same size and 
> strength, traditionally.  So it was pretty normal to expect that if you 
> finished 5th in League, you were probably going to finish 15th in State.  
> The best El Cerrito has ever done was 10th as a team.  Our goal was to be 
> the top team from our league.  In order to keep the fields relatively 
> manageable, only the top ~60% of riders are allowed to compete.  Each of 
> the 11 races are limited to a max field of 100, and all of them had about 
> 80 riders in them, so it was a big event.  It was hosted in Petaluma, so it 
> was the first time this season that our racers got to sleep in their own 
> beds.  Things started great with the girls:  
>
> Maddie, who was first overall in League for JV Girls, finished 4th.  
> Claire, who was 6th overall in League for JV Girls, finished 6th!  Amazing
> Maria, who was first in League in Sophomore Girls, finished 3rd 
>
> That was amazing.  The next wave was the Sophomore Boys, who kept it going
>
> Nitzan was 6th overall in League, and finished on the podium in 5th
> Keith was 8th overall in League, and finished 10th racing on my personal 
> bike (Yes, I have the 10th fastest mountain bike in the State of 
> California, and I can prove it)
>
> Freshman Boys was another slog for Enzo because he again had to race from 
> the back of the pack but plowed through a huge field to finish 12th
>
> Finally, the JV and Varsity Boys went off, and we got three more amazing 
> rides
>
> Tal was 6th overall in JV Boys in League and finished 11th in the State
> Evan was 10th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 20th
> Matt was 5th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 5th in a 
> photo-finish for 4th
>
> It was a near-perfect performance for our team, the first nearly perfect 
> day all season.  Salinas was 6th as a team, Berkeley was 8th, and Albany 
> was 9th, but we made our goal as the top team from NorCal-South.  
> NorCal-North was won by Tamalpais High School, but we beat them, too.  
> SoCal has a number of powerhouse teams, led by Newbury Park, but we beat 
> them also.  Many of these teams were fielding 50-60 racers.  We had 16 
> racers and placed SECOND overall in the state of California.  We were only 
> behind Marin County perennial behemoth, Sir 

Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[Patrick Moore]

Tire savers may help; and may not. I used them for years, then stopped
using them, and don't recall a material increase in flats (more or less the
same tires) -- a box or a box and a half of Remas per year remained the
norm.

Certainly, the local "system" pre-sealant of cutting the beads off a worn
racing tire to use as a liner for a new racing tire indicates that local
roadies didn't think much of them. OTOH, someone I knew who rode 10K miles
a year swore by them.

My own conclusion is that they sort of worked against glass and flints but
not so much against thorns.

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travis.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tire Savers ... and I see that Compass makes them in the US again and
> markets them as ‘Tire Savers.’ Elsewhere, they’ve been called ‘flint
> flickers.’
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[RBW] Re: Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

[Tim Bantham]

Oh yeah Mark I do remember now! Of course I wouldn't have made the 
connection to Mark in Beacon. By the way I was also wearing Samba's. 

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 4:17:06 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi Tim! Actually I did say hello. Do you recall the rather handsome, 
> strapping rider who rode by as we were getting underway at the back of the 
> pack and said "This must be the Rivendell section. I don't have one, but I 
> have a Baggins. Will that do?" Yes, that was me! I'm always struck by what 
> presence Rivendells have in person; if you appreciate well-made anything, 
> you'll appreciate a Rivendell bicycle. The Joe in silver with the Dtt and 
> the way you had it rigged looked super. Definitely would like to do this 
> again next year, and definitely it would be great to get a bigger Riv 
> flotilla!
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 3:36:45 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> I was the one riding the silver 2TT Appaloosa! I wish I had known you 
>> were coming I would have introduced myself. I rode with the guy with the 
>> green Hunqapillar and another with an orange Sam. One other friend has a QB 
>> but did the ride on his non-riv old school MTB. Agree on all of the 
>> positive aspects you mentioned. This is a fun but challenging event. I am 
>> hoping to see more Riv owners next year!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 8:04:18 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> I spotted a double tt Appaloosa, a green Hunq, a fawn-colored Hilsen. 
>>> Honorable mention to a silver Heron. Sorry, no pics, I don't do the smart 
>>> phone thing and it was way too wet and muddy for a camera. The ride, 
>>> sponsored by a local brewer, was spectacular and challenging; a riding 
>>> buddy said the ride narrative was awesome. Sounds maybe a little 
>>> pretentious, but I know what he meant. Incredible vistas, beautiful dirt 
>>> roads, challenging single track, mud, rain, a bit of sun, and moocho 
>>> climbing--advertised as 6,000 feet in 67 miles, something like that. Great 
>>> food, too, and a laid back friendly vibe. A++. I did not have a Rivendell, 
>>> but my at least 10-year old Baggins performed admirably, as did my Riv 
>>> waterbottles and my Newbaum's tape (which will need to be replaced.)
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has RBW ever made bibs?

[Bernie Burton]

Grant has always had and recommended MUSA pants as an alternative to
cycling shorts

Bernie Burton

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> the blue ones?
>
> On 5/21/18, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> > No, but they used to sell some pretty awesome suspenders.
> >
> > On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:49:17 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
> >>
> >> .
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: favorite tires?

[Patch T]

Shikoro's right now in Brooklyn/NYC, 42mm and I just clip on a fender when 
needed. Not beautiful. But comfy and confidence-inspiring.

I usually rode with Nanos back when the QB saw a lot of dirt in and around 
LA. (Cazadores just barely fit the chainstays, but limited my gearing 
options)

Compass would be the choice if I only rode rurally.






On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 8:08:42 PM UTC-4, Birdman wrote:
>
> In a recent thread, Wally and others were singing the praises of Jack 
> Browns on their Quickbeams. I have always run Paselas on mine, starting 
> with 32s, then 38s, and now the 35s that came on a new to me QB. Paselas do 
> the job for my urban, commute oriented riding, and I feel strangely 
> loyal/nostalgic about them, but they’re not blowing my mind. So what do you 
> all like in a 32-38mm tire on a Quickbeam, or on any bike for mostly urban 
> rides? 
>
> Isaac in Pdx

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has RBW ever made bibs?

[Joe Bunik]

the blue ones?

On 5/21/18, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> No, but they used to sell some pretty awesome suspenders.
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:49:17 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> .
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Melvin SS kit

[Belopsky]

whatd you buy

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 4:20:50 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Whelp, I'm about to have another 2-speed bike to go with my singlespeed, 
> so my Melvined bike is going back to derailers. Paul Melvin, 2 Gear Clamps, 
> stack of spacers and a 27t cog, $115 shipped. 
>
> One pic shows how I had it set up with spacers and one clamp, you can also 
> do two clamps only or spacers only. I thought I had a buyer for this 
> already so he gets first refusal if he gets back to me soon. Check it out, 
> people who check things out!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/2fIbM7et1xbeHbyr2
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
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[RBW] FS: Paul Melvin SS kit

[Joe Bernard]

Whelp, I'm about to have another 2-speed bike to go with my singlespeed, so my 
Melvined bike is going back to derailers. Paul Melvin, 2 Gear Clamps, stack of 
spacers and a 27t cog, $115 shipped. 

One pic shows how I had it set up with spacers and one clamp, you can also do 
two clamps only or spacers only. I thought I had a buyer for this already so he 
gets first refusal if he gets back to me soon. Check it out, people who check 
things out!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2fIbM7et1xbeHbyr2

Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Tim! Actually I did say hello. Do you recall the rather handsome, 
strapping rider who rode by as we were getting underway at the back of the 
pack and said "This must be the Rivendell section. I don't have one, but I 
have a Baggins. Will that do?" Yes, that was me! I'm always struck by what 
presence Rivendells have in person; if you appreciate well-made anything, 
you'll appreciate a Rivendell bicycle. The Joe in silver with the Dtt and 
the way you had it rigged looked super. Definitely would like to do this 
again next year, and definitely it would be great to get a bigger Riv 
flotilla!

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 3:36:45 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> I was the one riding the silver 2TT Appaloosa! I wish I had known you were 
> coming I would have introduced myself. I rode with the guy with the green 
> Hunqapillar and another with an orange Sam. One other friend has a QB but 
> did the ride on his non-riv old school MTB. Agree on all of the positive 
> aspects you mentioned. This is a fun but challenging event. I am hoping to 
> see more Riv owners next year!
>
> Tim
>
> On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 8:04:18 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> I spotted a double tt Appaloosa, a green Hunq, a fawn-colored Hilsen. 
>> Honorable mention to a silver Heron. Sorry, no pics, I don't do the smart 
>> phone thing and it was way too wet and muddy for a camera. The ride, 
>> sponsored by a local brewer, was spectacular and challenging; a riding 
>> buddy said the ride narrative was awesome. Sounds maybe a little 
>> pretentious, but I know what he meant. Incredible vistas, beautiful dirt 
>> roads, challenging single track, mud, rain, a bit of sun, and moocho 
>> climbing--advertised as 6,000 feet in 67 miles, something like that. Great 
>> food, too, and a laid back friendly vibe. A++. I did not have a Rivendell, 
>> but my at least 10-year old Baggins performed admirably, as did my Riv 
>> waterbottles and my Newbaum's tape (which will need to be replaced.)
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[travis.ha...@gmail.com]

Tire Savers ... and I see that Compass makes them in the US again and markets 
them as ‘Tire Savers.’ Elsewhere, they’ve been called ‘flint flickers.’

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[RBW] Re: Has RBW ever made bibs?

[Jeremy Till]

No, but they used to sell some pretty awesome suspenders.  

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:49:17 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Joe Bernard]

Ok let's take a look. My "lunch bag" is a lunch bar and the jacket is Ibex 
Breakaway, which would be thicker than a summer shell. So thin the jacket and 
make the lunch bigger..I think you have the same volume. I was wrong, it all 
fits!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGalusW6AgJiqZem2

Joe Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Has RBW ever made bibs?

[Belopsky]

.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendells nicely represented at the Farmer's Daughter Gravel Grinder in Chatham, NY today

[Tim Bantham]

I was the one riding the silver 2TT Appaloosa! I wish I had known you were 
coming I would have introduced myself. I rode with the guy with the green 
Hunqapillar and another with an orange Sam. One other friend has a QB but 
did the ride on his non-riv old school MTB. Agree on all of the positive 
aspects you mentioned. This is a fun but challenging event. I am hoping to 
see more Riv owners next year!

Tim

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 8:04:18 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I spotted a double tt Appaloosa, a green Hunq, a fawn-colored Hilsen. 
> Honorable mention to a silver Heron. Sorry, no pics, I don't do the smart 
> phone thing and it was way too wet and muddy for a camera. The ride, 
> sponsored by a local brewer, was spectacular and challenging; a riding 
> buddy said the ride narrative was awesome. Sounds maybe a little 
> pretentious, but I know what he meant. Incredible vistas, beautiful dirt 
> roads, challenging single track, mud, rain, a bit of sun, and moocho 
> climbing--advertised as 6,000 feet in 67 miles, something like that. Great 
> food, too, and a laid back friendly vibe. A++. I did not have a Rivendell, 
> but my at least 10-year old Baggins performed admirably, as did my Riv 
> waterbottles and my Newbaum's tape (which will need to be replaced.)
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[Tom Wyland]

Someone buy this and ship it to me, please.  Ha ha.

Tom 
DC Area



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[RBW] Re: PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[Reid Echols]

I texted him about it! I'll just have to sell the bike I brought to LA with me 
haha

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[sameness]

I know. Killing me. 

I. Just. Don't. Need. It.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> damnit

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[Drw]

damnit

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[RBW] Re: Billie Bar initial review

[adam leibow]

thanks - yeah these bars are a nice happy medium between the albatross and 
something like the map ahearne bars (or how i expect the wavie bars will 
be). i got some more miles in on them yesterday and confirm they're still 
good. 

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 9:08:04 PM UTC-7, adam leibow wrote:
>
> in case anyone's curious. i bought some billie bars, and already have some 
> miles on them. i didn't know these were coming out but i was checking the 
> site periodically for the wavie bar and found these. i'm still gonna get 
> the wavie bar for my hunqapillar but was happy to see these imho improved 
> albatross. i had swapped out drop bars for albatross on my new canti-sam, 
> but have always had mixed feelings about the albatross bar. i dont like how 
> they come seemingly directly almost straight backwards towards you, and how 
> narrow they feel. the billie's are better imho because they have more flair 
> (a bit less gnarly sweep backwards) and are noticeably wider. they also 
> have a way longer grippable real estate, and you can mount the brake levers 
> forward or backward for a longer section of that grippable portion=more 
> options/versatility. i chose to mount the brake levers pretty far forward, 
> as the billies don't curve forward before turning backward quite as much as 
> the alba's do, and i like my reach to be pretty stretched out. this allows 
> a nice, more aggressive (though still technically very upright) descending 
> position with brake levers in reach. and, if i'm chilling out, i can sit 
> back and place my hands more towards the ends of the bars, a very upright 
> sensation. most importantly, with the alba's i felt slightly out of control 
> and endured a "a-second-too-late" sensation to steer to keep up with twisty 
> singletrack or even road descents. the billie's width and added flair 
> mitigate this to a degree that makes riding offroad quite a bit more 
> enjoyable, while still being relaxed. so, im summary, billie=albatross+more 
> flair outward/wider and longer grip portion. i am a fan for sure. here's 
> some pics:
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Grant Petersen]

 About the Banana Sack, just an opinion :

1. Sway is often an unnecessary concern. There is a difference between an
"on the bike" problem and an "in the head theoretical" one.

2. Security is good. The least secure mount, ironically, is the original
intended mount, on the saddle loops. Then the Bsack's at its most
horizontal. Even then, it's 100 percent secure when closed, and probably 95
percent secure when you shamefull fail to close it right, when the flap's
just flapping free. You can make it 99.googolplex secure with a
free-flapping flap if you push a bandana down on top of your BananaLoad and
use the elastic stuff under the flap (to hold the banandana in place). Then
only neutrinos can escape its clenched maw.

The original bag of this type, made in France by Gilles Berthoud, was made
as a saddle bag. Gilles is a master bag designer, a bicycle rider, and the
design was little-to-notatall changed from its first public use. We copied
that with our first version (which we called the Banana Bag) in the early
2000s, and no problems there, either.

3. The BananaSack, tho, mounts equally well or maybe 2 percent even better
to the handlebar. That's thanks to Roman, I think, who suggested the new
and embarrassingly obvious solution of two separate straps, like saddlebags
have. Mounted on the front, the Bsack is nearly vertical. I can access
everything in it while riding, and on a road (not a trail) it's not even
necessary to close it with the miraculous toggle.

3. It mounts wonderfully on the sides of baskets.

4. The elastic thing makes it easy to overfill.

5. The fore-and-aft slots (one has a stiffener) are good for phones, tire
levers, flat stuff.

Bags should be easy to use on and off the bike. The mouth of the BananaSack
is like the mouth of a largemouth bass, ready to engulf anything that comes
its way, with no buckles or zippers or roll-top weatherproofing to mess
with. It's not waterproof when submerged (like the bass it mimics!), but
it'll handle an apocalyptic rain, and if you doubt that, you can stuff your
stuff in a Target bag before putting it in.

It's not the bag for everybody and every use, but as handy day-bags go,
it's where we want it to be. There are lots of nice bags of about the same
size out there. It's hard to go wrong these days. Yay!


On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Lum Gim Fong,
> Staying in the Riv family, if the banana sax is not quite large enough,
> I'd recommend the Saddlesack Small.
>
> Shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 10:01:12 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The Pika is a pretty good design. No sway; rolls up compactly when
>> carrying little, but expands amazingly when completely filled; I've carried
>> surprisingly large grocery loads in mine. I did sell it because I found
>> other bags better for my use, but for minimalist, non-supported, and
>> non-sway saddle-attached carriage, that and the Viscacha are wonderful. The
>> downside is that, when you fill it up completely, you have all your load
>> stuffed into a long, narrow tunnel, so this isn't the best bag for frequent
>> and rapid access to contents.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:20 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   FWIW, This prolly doesn't fit the "look" you seem to prefer, but for a
>>> rock solid no-sway saddle bag the Revelate Pika to work very well. This is
>>> Revelate's "small" version, the Viscacha is even larger capacity.  I had
>>> the original Banana bag years ago and ended up selling it because of the
>>> sway and I prefer no thigh contact with bags at all. I tried various ways
>>> to minimize the sway and rub but it was a venture in futility. Sure, it
>>> "looked" great, but frankly... so what, and to whom  ? The Pika also
>>> engulfs a Banana bag capacity holding 6-12 liters. It ranges in size by
>>> rolling up the open end as you need it. It has perfectly placed
>>> adjustable/locking straps to eliminate any movement or excess. The fabric
>>> is waterproof, but it's not a "dry bag" in that the seams are not factory
>>> sealed. For practical purposes your stuff is not going to get wet.
>>>
>>>  I carry a small roll of tools, 2 40mm tubes, another small bag with
>>> cell phone, wallet, neck buff, etc., a featherweight vest and water
>>> resistant jacket that packs into your fist. I don't even "try" to pack it
>>> in there tightly, and I still have another half a bag left . The bag rolled
>>> up to it's smallest size it looks like a You could fit a 12" mini pump in
>>> there, prolly longer as I have never used the bag @ full length.  At it's
>>> smallest rolled up size, it looks like an average seat bag. As you
>>> expand/unroll it as needed it grows kinda like Pinocchio's nose !
>>>
>>> If you are curious, do an image search for " Revelate Pika " and you can
>>> see how it changes shapes as needed.
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[RBW] Re: Wider Bars, Shorter Stem? Switched to 48cm Noodles.

[ctifusion]

I had to get a shorter stem when I first started riding the 48cm noodles 
too (9cm). I've been riding the Crust 66cm drops lately and I'm using a 
stem that is basically 3-4cm. I love the noodles but I wish Riv/Nitto would 
spec a wider version, like a 58cm. 

Brynnar
Indy

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 1:56:04 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> I've switched to 48cm Noodles on my Black Mountain Monstercross. I've 
> previously used Albastaches and before that had Nitto B132s, 44cm, which 
> are roughly 40cm at the hoods, so I'm going 8cm wider with Noodles.
> With the B132s, I was using an 11cm stem. With a 10cm stem and the 
> Noodles, I'm feeling like the bars are too far forward.
> I like the wider position, but didn't realize it would make such a big 
> difference in reach, though in hindsight that makes sense.
> Not really a question in here, but wondering if others had similar 
> experiences and how much shorter of a stem they ended up going with.
> David
> River Grove, IL
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Re: [RBW] Wider Bars, Shorter Stem? Switched to 48cm Noodles.

[Forrest Harvey]

David,
Just finished building up my BMC and I went with 3.5" of spacer, 18* 90mm
stem and a pair of the albastache.
This is mated to a nitto 65 but I may need to switch to a 0 setback
seatpost as I still feel a little stretched for ALL hand positions.



On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:56 AM, David B  wrote:

> I've switched to 48cm Noodles on my Black Mountain Monstercross. I've
> previously used Albastaches and before that had Nitto B132s, 44cm, which
> are roughly 40cm at the hoods, so I'm going 8cm wider with Noodles.
> With the B132s, I was using an 11cm stem. With a 10cm stem and the
> Noodles, I'm feeling like the bars are too far forward.
> I like the wider position, but didn't realize it would make such a big
> difference in reach, though in hindsight that makes sense.
> Not really a question in here, but wondering if others had similar
> experiences and how much shorter of a stem they ended up going with.
> David
> River Grove, IL
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[RBW] PSA: Suuuuuper Cheap 59cm Clem L Complete on LA Craigslist

[sameness]

Egad. Racks, dyno, lights, etc. Please save me from myself, it's in West 
Hollywood:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/rivendell-clem-commuter/6595123829.html

Not mine, no affiliation, tick toc, etc.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Wider Bars, Shorter Stem? Switched to 48cm Noodles.

[David B]

I've switched to 48cm Noodles on my Black Mountain Monstercross. I've 
previously used Albastaches and before that had Nitto B132s, 44cm, which 
are roughly 40cm at the hoods, so I'm going 8cm wider with Noodles.
With the B132s, I was using an 11cm stem. With a 10cm stem and the Noodles, 
I'm feeling like the bars are too far forward.
I like the wider position, but didn't realize it would make such a big 
difference in reach, though in hindsight that makes sense.
Not really a question in here, but wondering if others had similar 
experiences and how much shorter of a stem they ended up going with.
David
River Grove, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[travis.ha...@gmail.com]

The first bike of the modern age I bought bore two old skool prophylactics on 
the tubs: thorn scrapers resting gently on the surfaces of the tire treads. 
Because it is the second and subsequent rotation of the tire that is mostly 
responsive for driving the point of the glass or goathead in, flicking them off 
stops most punctures from developing. 
They used to mount to the fork brake bolts. I see a patent illustration in 
which they are mounted with adhesive to the frame. 

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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

Its for saddle loops.

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 1:25:07 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Partially off-topic: does the Banana Sax require saddlebag loops, or will 
> it mount on garden-variety saddle rails? I've stared at the pictures, but 
> am unsure of what I'm seeing.
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:44:53 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
>> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
>> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
>> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
>> small stuff from falling out.
>>
>> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
>> Curious because I might get one!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Justin, Oakland]

Get a Stem bag (Randi Jo, Donut Sack, etc) and put your phone and sunglasses in 
it for better access then it should all fit. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Big Payoff--Californa State Mountain Bike Championships

[T Cal]

Congratulations to you and the team.  Sounds like a great experience for 
everyone involved!

cheers,
Ty

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:13:13 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As all the regulars know, I'm team mechanic and assistant coach for El 
> Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team.  We're a Division 1 team in 
> the Norcal League, Southern Conference.  Our conference is traditionally 
> dominated by Salinas High School, but our local rivals are Berkeley High 
> and Albany High.  Last year was a breakthrough season for us.  We finished 
> 2nd only to Salinas in League.  This season we thought we had a chance 
> against Salinas, but everything had to be perfect.  Meanwhile, it was 
> pretty clear Berkeley was tired of getting beat, and was gunning for us 
> with their massive team.  There were 5 league races, and while all of them 
> were great, none of them was perfect.  Something went wrong each time
>
> Race 1:  Nitzan missed it for a religious ceremony.  Enzo finished third 
> in his race, not realizing he had a broken collarbone.  We were 2nd place
> Race 2:  Enzo missed the race with his broken collarbone.  Rainy 
> conditions slowed down our top varsit boys. We were 2nd place
> Race 3:  Enzo missed the race with his shoulder.  Maddie had a mechanical 
> in the last mile and finished 2nd instead of her normal 1st.  We were 3rd 
> in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 4:  Enzo was back, but had to start in the very back of the field due 
> to having so few points.  Maria was nipped at the line for 1st, the only 
> race she didn't win.  Claire missed the race for a family event.  We were 
> 3rd in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 5:  Almost everyone had their perfect race.  We won JV Girls and 
> Sophomore Girls.  We got a 3rd in Freshman Girls and a 4th in JV Girls.  We 
> got a 2nd in Varsity Boys, Sophomore Boys and Freshman Boys.  We got a 10th 
> in Varsity Boys as well.  All we needed to beat Salinas was a decent 
> showing from our small but strong JV boys, but Tal, our top rider, switched 
> bikes right before the start and had a derailer problem.  He switched bikes 
> again, started 3 minutes behind the entire field, had the ride of his life 
> to finish 6th anyway.  Then the 10 minute penalty for switching bikes 
> placed him 18th.  He could have won that day.  Because of his low showing 
> we placed second to Salinas, 14 points behind them, out of ~4000 total 
> points.  We maintained our 2nd place finish in League
>
> At State Championships, three Leagues race together:  SoCal, NorCal North, 
> and NorCal South.  The three leagues are roughly the same size and 
> strength, traditionally.  So it was pretty normal to expect that if you 
> finished 5th in League, you were probably going to finish 15th in State.  
> The best El Cerrito has ever done was 10th as a team.  Our goal was to be 
> the top team from our league.  In order to keep the fields relatively 
> manageable, only the top ~60% of riders are allowed to compete.  Each of 
> the 11 races are limited to a max field of 100, and all of them had about 
> 80 riders in them, so it was a big event.  It was hosted in Petaluma, so it 
> was the first time this season that our racers got to sleep in their own 
> beds.  Things started great with the girls:  
>
> Maddie, who was first overall in League for JV Girls, finished 4th.  
> Claire, who was 6th overall in League for JV Girls, finished 6th!  Amazing
> Maria, who was first in League in Sophomore Girls, finished 3rd 
>
> That was amazing.  The next wave was the Sophomore Boys, who kept it going
>
> Nitzan was 6th overall in League, and finished on the podium in 5th
> Keith was 8th overall in League, and finished 10th racing on my personal 
> bike (Yes, I have the 10th fastest mountain bike in the State of 
> California, and I can prove it)
>
> Freshman Boys was another slog for Enzo because he again had to race from 
> the back of the pack but plowed through a huge field to finish 12th
>
> Finally, the JV and Varsity Boys went off, and we got three more amazing 
> rides
>
> Tal was 6th overall in JV Boys in League and finished 11th in the State
> Evan was 10th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 20th
> Matt was 5th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 5th in a 
> photo-finish for 4th
>
> It was a near-perfect performance for our team, the first nearly perfect 
> day all season.  Salinas was 6th as a team, Berkeley was 8th, and Albany 
> was 9th, but we made our goal as the top team from NorCal-South.  
> NorCal-North was won by Tamalpais High School, but we beat them, too.  
> SoCal has a number of powerhouse teams, led by Newbury Park, but we beat 
> them also.  Many of these teams were fielding 50-60 racers.  We had 16 
> racers and placed SECOND overall in the state of California.  We were only 
> behind Marin County perennial behemoth, Sir Francis Drake High School.  The 
> Drake Pirates are the team that everyone in California wants to be, and we 
> were 

[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Rod Holland]

Partially off-topic: does the Banana Sax require saddlebag loops, or will 
it mount on garden-variety saddle rails? I've stared at the pictures, but 
am unsure of what I'm seeing.

rod

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:44:53 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
> small stuff from falling out.
>
> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
> Curious because I might get one!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[Patrick Moore]

50 psi in tubes with sealant has worked very well for me, better with
Orange Seal, even, than with Stan's, so I can't add anything useful to your
conundrum.

In many thousands of miles of tubeless and sealant (Stan's, later OS) I've
had 1 puncture that Orange Seal could not seal securely; this was caused I
think by a sharp pebble, and resulted in a hole that was certainly larger
than a goathead prick, but also certainly less than 2 mm in diameter. When
it happened, the Furious Fred had less than 25 psi in it, and pumping and
spinning sealed it after several "pump 'n' spin" cycles -- I lost a lot of
OS and added more when I got home. But a few weeks later, when, for some
reason I forget, I pumped the tire to 35 psi, it blew out in a gusher of
fluid after I had ridden no more than 1 mile.

This was in a tire that had over 2K miles in it using sealant, so a skin
had plenty of time to form.

FWIW, there are plug kits made for such bicycle tubeless tire punctures,
similar to those for car tires. I keep one in my Matthews's kitbag, though
I've not so far used it.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:58 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick, I was running around 50-55 psi in the tube. The puncture happened
> while on chip seal. The Hilsen is now re-imagined as a fenderless, mixed
> terrain bike now with the Snoqualmies (which, incidentally, fit by just a
> tiny hair, maybe 2mm, and an out of true wheel will bring me to a grinding
> halt.) I've got Velocity Synergy wheels so not sure if they're tubeless
> compatible. On another note, about the lower pressures needed for tubeless,
> I think I've decided that it is my weight (230 +/-) combined with my
> propensity to run my Compass at the lowest possible pressure, that has
> caused me so much grief with worn out sidewalls, so I think for now I'm
> going to run a bit more pressure than in the past. I may get more wear that
> way (rear Babyshoe Pass on the MAP lasted about 1500 miles before sidewall
> cut appeared.) Hopefully I can get the sealant thing dialed in and learn to
> love it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

I'll take pics when I get home.

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> Lum,
>
> It depends on how big your multi-tool, rain jacket and lunch are. I just 
> did a test run, and I can pack my spurcyle multitool, park patchkit, 
> schwable SV14 tube, rolled up brake cable, & phone with plenty of space 
> left. I think if I got a packable rain jacket and if my lunch was a modest 
> PB, with a bag of almond nuts or beef jerky it would fit. I don't have a 
> mini pump to test it. My pump is on my frame. I prefer my food in a front 
> bag anyways.
>
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:11:06 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Ok. 
>> Almost sold but can it hold: 
>>
>> One multi tool 
>> One lightweight rain  jacket 
>> One tube 
>> Spare brake cable 
>> Patch kit 
>> Sunglasses 
>> 7” mini pump (mini morph) 
>> Iphone 
>> Keychain 
>> Bag lunch 
>>
>> I would just get another Carradice Pendle bag but I dont like how 
>> floppy/sloppy/shapeless they look in my bikes. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[phil k]

Lum,

It depends on how big your multi-tool, rain jacket and lunch are. I just 
did a test run, and I can pack my spurcyle multitool, park patchkit, 
schwable SV14 tube, rolled up brake cable, & phone with plenty of space 
left. I think if I got a packable rain jacket and if my lunch was a modest 
PB, with a bag of almond nuts or beef jerky it would fit. I don't have a 
mini pump to test it. My pump is on my frame. I prefer my food in a front 
bag anyways.


On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:11:06 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Ok. 
> Almost sold but can it hold: 
>
> One multi tool 
> One lightweight rain  jacket 
> One tube 
> Spare brake cable 
> Patch kit 
> Sunglasses 
> 7” mini pump (mini morph) 
> Iphone 
> Keychain 
> Bag lunch 
>
> I would just get another Carradice Pendle bag but I dont like how 
> floppy/sloppy/shapeless they look in my bikes. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[phil k]

They don't frame save their complete bikes or their frames, but I believe 
everything is looked over and tuned by the good folks at Rivendell.

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:04:03 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> I've just taken delivery of a Clem-L complete, a gift for my girlfriend. 
> As I get set to attach pedals, saddle, bell, etc., it occurs to me to ask 
> what people's experience with the mechanical preparation of Rivendell 
> completes has been. Should I expect that everything that should be lubed, 
> has been lubed? Do I need to second-guess the build? I've never heard 
> stories of that sort here, so I'm guessing not. What are people's 
> expectations for finishing/prepping a newly-delivered Riv complete bike? 
>
> Related question: does Riv normally frame-save their complete bikes?
>
> rod
>

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Abcyclehank]

Jim-
Although it gets said; I believe it can never be said enough. 
So thank you for moderating this motly crew.  
Best location I have found on the internet for bike discourse.  Although I have 
tested, drank, and still believe in the koolaid.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson

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[RBW] Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[Joe Bernard]

I believe Kai is correct. The brakes and such have probably been adjusted by 
Mark, but I don't think they disassemble them for framesaver and grease. 

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[RBW] Reed's Archive of Rivendell Readers

[Cyclofiend Jim]

45 (since it began at "Issue 00") known to be in existence as of early 
2018. Within this group, many of us hoarded/treasured these documents as a 
wonderful resource. But many newcomers have never had the chance to enjoy 
the words and musings of Grant Petersen as he built Rivendell Bicycle 
Works. There are also a couple of Bob Gazettes stored there as well. 

What started as an innocent question bloomed into an effort to collect and 
archive these by long-time group contributor Reed Kennedy.  Thank you again 
for hosting this - 

Rivendell Reader Digital Archive - 

http://notfine.com/rivreader/

Read. Learn. Enjoy.

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[RBW] Re: Big Payoff--Californa State Mountain Bike Championships

[Rod Holland]

Bravo!

rod

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As all the regulars know, I'm team mechanic and assistant coach for El 
> Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team.  We're a Division 1 team in 
> the Norcal League, Southern Conference.  Our conference is traditionally 
> dominated by Salinas High School, but our local rivals are Berkeley High 
> and Albany High.  Last year was a breakthrough season for us.  We finished 
> 2nd only to Salinas in League.  This season we thought we had a chance 
> against Salinas, but everything had to be perfect.  Meanwhile, it was 
> pretty clear Berkeley was tired of getting beat, and was gunning for us 
> with their massive team.  There were 5 league races, and while all of them 
> were great, none of them was perfect.  Something went wrong each time
>
> Race 1:  Nitzan missed it for a religious ceremony.  Enzo finished third 
> in his race, not realizing he had a broken collarbone.  We were 2nd place
> Race 2:  Enzo missed the race with his broken collarbone.  Rainy 
> conditions slowed down our top varsit boys. We were 2nd place
> Race 3:  Enzo missed the race with his shoulder.  Maddie had a mechanical 
> in the last mile and finished 2nd instead of her normal 1st.  We were 3rd 
> in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 4:  Enzo was back, but had to start in the very back of the field due 
> to having so few points.  Maria was nipped at the line for 1st, the only 
> race she didn't win.  Claire missed the race for a family event.  We were 
> 3rd in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 5:  Almost everyone had their perfect race.  We won JV Girls and 
> Sophomore Girls.  We got a 3rd in Freshman Girls and a 4th in JV Girls.  We 
> got a 2nd in Varsity Boys, Sophomore Boys and Freshman Boys.  We got a 10th 
> in Varsity Boys as well.  All we needed to beat Salinas was a decent 
> showing from our small but strong JV boys, but Tal, our top rider, switched 
> bikes right before the start and had a derailer problem.  He switched bikes 
> again, started 3 minutes behind the entire field, had the ride of his life 
> to finish 6th anyway.  Then the 10 minute penalty for switching bikes 
> placed him 18th.  He could have won that day.  Because of his low showing 
> we placed second to Salinas, 14 points behind them, out of ~4000 total 
> points.  We maintained our 2nd place finish in League
>
> At State Championships, three Leagues race together:  SoCal, NorCal North, 
> and NorCal South.  The three leagues are roughly the same size and 
> strength, traditionally.  So it was pretty normal to expect that if you 
> finished 5th in League, you were probably going to finish 15th in State.  
> The best El Cerrito has ever done was 10th as a team.  Our goal was to be 
> the top team from our league.  In order to keep the fields relatively 
> manageable, only the top ~60% of riders are allowed to compete.  Each of 
> the 11 races are limited to a max field of 100, and all of them had about 
> 80 riders in them, so it was a big event.  It was hosted in Petaluma, so it 
> was the first time this season that our racers got to sleep in their own 
> beds.  Things started great with the girls:  
>
> Maddie, who was first overall in League for JV Girls, finished 4th.  
> Claire, who was 6th overall in League for JV Girls, finished 6th!  Amazing
> Maria, who was first in League in Sophomore Girls, finished 3rd 
>
> That was amazing.  The next wave was the Sophomore Boys, who kept it going
>
> Nitzan was 6th overall in League, and finished on the podium in 5th
> Keith was 8th overall in League, and finished 10th racing on my personal 
> bike (Yes, I have the 10th fastest mountain bike in the State of 
> California, and I can prove it)
>
> Freshman Boys was another slog for Enzo because he again had to race from 
> the back of the pack but plowed through a huge field to finish 12th
>
> Finally, the JV and Varsity Boys went off, and we got three more amazing 
> rides
>
> Tal was 6th overall in JV Boys in League and finished 11th in the State
> Evan was 10th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 20th
> Matt was 5th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 5th in a 
> photo-finish for 4th
>
> It was a near-perfect performance for our team, the first nearly perfect 
> day all season.  Salinas was 6th as a team, Berkeley was 8th, and Albany 
> was 9th, but we made our goal as the top team from NorCal-South.  
> NorCal-North was won by Tamalpais High School, but we beat them, too.  
> SoCal has a number of powerhouse teams, led by Newbury Park, but we beat 
> them also.  Many of these teams were fielding 50-60 racers.  We had 16 
> racers and placed SECOND overall in the state of California.  We were only 
> behind Marin County perennial behemoth, Sir Francis Drake High School.  The 
> Drake Pirates are the team that everyone in California wants to be, and we 
> were right on them.  
>
> I'm over the moon with pride about how hard our kids and coaches worked.  

Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, I was running around 50-55 psi in the tube. The puncture happened 
while on chip seal. The Hilsen is now re-imagined as a fenderless, mixed 
terrain bike now with the Snoqualmies (which, incidentally, fit by just a tiny 
hair, maybe 2mm, and an out of true wheel will bring me to a grinding halt.) 
I've got Velocity Synergy wheels so not sure if they're tubeless compatible. On 
another note, about the lower pressures needed for tubeless, I think I've 
decided that it is my weight (230 +/-) combined with my propensity to run my 
Compass at the lowest possible pressure, that has caused me so much grief with 
worn out sidewalls, so I think for now I'm going to run a bit more pressure 
than in the past. I may get more wear that way (rear Babyshoe Pass on the MAP 
lasted about 1500 miles before sidewall cut appeared.) Hopefully I can get the 
sealant thing dialed in and learn to love it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[Kainalu V.]

Not a scientific conclusion, but a week should do before embarking on any epic 
excursion.
-Kai 
BKNY 

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[RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Gino Light Mount is a good option for front illumination. Even better if 
you have mid-fork eyelets.

https://paulcomp.com/shop/components/gino-light-mount/



On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 10:49:17 PM UTC-7, Mark Anderson wrote:
>
> If your brake-mounted headlight falls into your wheel, that means your 
> front brake has detached from the fork.  In that case the light may make 
> you crash, but you'd crash without the light too. 
> -- 
> Mark Anderson 

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Stuff - FREE to Good Home

[bo richardson]

i cant pm
i am helping a student waitress upgrade an estate sale bridgestone.
is there a set of fingertip shifters in your online poke?
or anyone else? cheap is ok as well as free is terrific.

thanks
bo

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[RBW] Big Payoff--Californa State Mountain Bike Championships

[Justin, Oakland]

That’s amazing!
Congratulations. My neices’ boyfriend was there racing for Piedmont. You’ve got 
a lot to proud of Bill.

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Wednesday Musings: Are We A Swap Meet?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Ha! Thank you all for taking some time to give some feedback. I am very 
happy that this devolved into an "opinionated discussion" about 
bickering.  That's why you all make me smile... ;^)

So - here are my current thoughts:

FS (etc.) = A nice value added aspect of the list. There is a tag, which 
helps those not interested skip over, and those who are searching cluster 
the results. 

Posting said FS (etc.) content = A privilege. Earned by positive 
contributions to the group for ~30 days or so. 

^^^ Above will mean that a little tighter "non-moderated" process for folks 
who do not actively post. 

Transactional Behavior = Don't commit if you aren't going to follow 
through. Communicate quickly and clearly via direct channels. But 
understand that sometimes life does happen and be gracious if necessary.

Original Poster Housekeeping = No more than one bump a week. If you have 
had to bump more than three times, maybe something isn't clear or the 
market is trying to tell you something. CLEARLY MARK "SOLD" when SOLD. Ok 
to leave the listings up as it creates a reference for others. 

Due Diligence/Caveat Emptor = Whoever is parting with the money (or goods 
in a Trade) should engage in all the current due diligence practices to 
protect themselves. Buyer assumes all risk. 

I'm going to update the description . Thank you all for taking the time to 
respond.

- Jim / admin



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[RBW] Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[Kainalu V.]

Not framesavered and assembled in Taiwan (so lubed, but not exceedingly so), so 
any extra you've got to give is a good thing.
-Kai 
BKNY 

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Re: [RBW] Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[Patrick Moore]

I've received only 1 built bike from Rivendell, and that was a former floor
model, but it was impeccably assembled; in particular, the IRD cantis were
set up so that they were the best brakes I've ever used (I've not used
hydraulic disks) in power, modulation, and feel, bar none.

My frames at least from Riv had all been frame savered.

But surely, it shouldn't be hard to see if it has been properly assembled
and lubed?

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Rod Holland  wrote:

> I've just taken delivery of a Clem-L complete, a gift for my girlfriend.
> As I get set to attach pedals, saddle, bell, etc., it occurs to me to ask
> what people's experience with the mechanical preparation of Rivendell
> completes has been. Should I expect that everything that should be lubed,
> has been lubed? Do I need to second-guess the build? I've never heard
> stories of that sort here, so I'm guessing not. What are people's
> expectations for finishing/prepping a newly-delivered Riv complete bike?
>
> Related question: does Riv normally frame-save their complete bikes?
>
> rod
>
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[RBW] Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[nash5510]

Just wondering, why not ask the people at rivendell?

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Stuff - FREE to Good Home

[Jeremy Tavan]

Looks like some good stuff, including parts I've been needing for projects. 
I would be happy to pick up! And 826valencia.org looks like a worthy 
organization indeed - would be delighted to make a donation even if not 
picking up parts.

/Jeremy

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:06:30 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
>
> I'm clearing out more boxes. 
>
>
> Some of this is Riv Stuff from Rivendell. Some is Riv-Style Stuff from who 
> knows where. Some is Non Riv Stuff.
>
> All of this stuff is a few years old. It's been sitting on a shelf in 
> boxes.
>
>
> FREE to anyone who can pick it up, in Redwood City, by Memorial Day 
> Weekend. If you are interested, post a reply...
>
>
> If 2 people want it, I’ll let them decide
>
>
> If 3 or more people are interested, We can do a pick a number between 1 
> and 100.
>
>
> Caveat. If you pick up this Stuff and think there value, Please make a 
> donation to 826Valencia.   http://826valencia.org/  Even if you don’t 
> take this stuff, take a look at  http://826valencia.org/   Good Place.
>
>
>
> I hope someone can use this stuff, Thanks for Looking
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Stuff - FREE to Good Home

[Kurt Manley]

PM sent

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:06:30 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
>
> I'm clearing out more boxes. 
>
>
> Some of this is Riv Stuff from Rivendell. Some is Riv-Style Stuff from who 
> knows where. Some is Non Riv Stuff.
>
> All of this stuff is a few years old. It's been sitting on a shelf in 
> boxes.
>
>
> FREE to anyone who can pick it up, in Redwood City, by Memorial Day 
> Weekend. If you are interested, post a reply...
>
>
> If 2 people want it, I’ll let them decide
>
>
> If 3 or more people are interested, We can do a pick a number between 1 
> and 100.
>
>
> Caveat. If you pick up this Stuff and think there value, Please make a 
> donation to 826Valencia.   http://826valencia.org/  Even if you don’t 
> take this stuff, take a look at  http://826valencia.org/   Good Place.
>
>
>
> I hope someone can use this stuff, Thanks for Looking
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Big Payoff--Californa State Mountain Bike Championships

[Bill Lindsay]

As all the regulars know, I'm team mechanic and assistant coach for El 
Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team.  We're a Division 1 team in 
the Norcal League, Southern Conference.  Our conference is traditionally 
dominated by Salinas High School, but our local rivals are Berkeley High 
and Albany High.  Last year was a breakthrough season for us.  We finished 
2nd only to Salinas in League.  This season we thought we had a chance 
against Salinas, but everything had to be perfect.  Meanwhile, it was 
pretty clear Berkeley was tired of getting beat, and was gunning for us 
with their massive team.  There were 5 league races, and while all of them 
were great, none of them was perfect.  Something went wrong each time

Race 1:  Nitzan missed it for a religious ceremony.  Enzo finished third in 
his race, not realizing he had a broken collarbone.  We were 2nd place
Race 2:  Enzo missed the race with his broken collarbone.  Rainy conditions 
slowed down our top varsit boys. We were 2nd place
Race 3:  Enzo missed the race with his shoulder.  Maddie had a mechanical 
in the last mile and finished 2nd instead of her normal 1st.  We were 3rd 
in the race, 2nd overall
Race 4:  Enzo was back, but had to start in the very back of the field due 
to having so few points.  Maria was nipped at the line for 1st, the only 
race she didn't win.  Claire missed the race for a family event.  We were 
3rd in the race, 2nd overall
Race 5:  Almost everyone had their perfect race.  We won JV Girls and 
Sophomore Girls.  We got a 3rd in Freshman Girls and a 4th in JV Girls.  We 
got a 2nd in Varsity Boys, Sophomore Boys and Freshman Boys.  We got a 10th 
in Varsity Boys as well.  All we needed to beat Salinas was a decent 
showing from our small but strong JV boys, but Tal, our top rider, switched 
bikes right before the start and had a derailer problem.  He switched bikes 
again, started 3 minutes behind the entire field, had the ride of his life 
to finish 6th anyway.  Then the 10 minute penalty for switching bikes 
placed him 18th.  He could have won that day.  Because of his low showing 
we placed second to Salinas, 14 points behind them, out of ~4000 total 
points.  We maintained our 2nd place finish in League

At State Championships, three Leagues race together:  SoCal, NorCal North, 
and NorCal South.  The three leagues are roughly the same size and 
strength, traditionally.  So it was pretty normal to expect that if you 
finished 5th in League, you were probably going to finish 15th in State.  
The best El Cerrito has ever done was 10th as a team.  Our goal was to be 
the top team from our league.  In order to keep the fields relatively 
manageable, only the top ~60% of riders are allowed to compete.  Each of 
the 11 races are limited to a max field of 100, and all of them had about 
80 riders in them, so it was a big event.  It was hosted in Petaluma, so it 
was the first time this season that our racers got to sleep in their own 
beds.  Things started great with the girls:  

Maddie, who was first overall in League for JV Girls, finished 4th.  
Claire, who was 6th overall in League for JV Girls, finished 6th!  Amazing
Maria, who was first in League in Sophomore Girls, finished 3rd 

That was amazing.  The next wave was the Sophomore Boys, who kept it going

Nitzan was 6th overall in League, and finished on the podium in 5th
Keith was 8th overall in League, and finished 10th racing on my personal 
bike (Yes, I have the 10th fastest mountain bike in the State of 
California, and I can prove it)

Freshman Boys was another slog for Enzo because he again had to race from 
the back of the pack but plowed through a huge field to finish 12th

Finally, the JV and Varsity Boys went off, and we got three more amazing 
rides

Tal was 6th overall in JV Boys in League and finished 11th in the State
Evan was 10th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 20th
Matt was 5th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 5th in a 
photo-finish for 4th

It was a near-perfect performance for our team, the first nearly perfect 
day all season.  Salinas was 6th as a team, Berkeley was 8th, and Albany 
was 9th, but we made our goal as the top team from NorCal-South.  
NorCal-North was won by Tamalpais High School, but we beat them, too.  
SoCal has a number of powerhouse teams, led by Newbury Park, but we beat 
them also.  Many of these teams were fielding 50-60 racers.  We had 16 
racers and placed SECOND overall in the state of California.  We were only 
behind Marin County perennial behemoth, Sir Francis Drake High School.  The 
Drake Pirates are the team that everyone in California wants to be, and we 
were right on them.  

I'm over the moon with pride about how hard our kids and coaches worked.  
We had a huge asset by having a ton of ride leaders, so our training rides 
were often one adult with two or three kids, or two adults with 4 or 5 
kids.  This allowed us to get a ton of work done with almost no standing 
around.  

[RBW] Shank Insole Stiffener Sources?

[Howard Hatten]

Patrick
A few years ago I had some foot trouble and I tried these. 
https://www.powersteps.com/pinnacle.html/

If you’re familiar with an orthotic insert these are similar. 
The part that is under the ball of the foot is pliable but arch to heel is 
stiff. I think if you pedaled midfoot these might help. Ball of the foot 
pedaling probably not so much. 
I’ve never tried it but I think these might work with sandals. 
Good Luck
Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] Bicycle Stuff - FREE to Good Home

[John]

Hi Folks


I'm clearing out more boxes. 


Some of this is Riv Stuff from Rivendell. Some is Riv-Style Stuff from who 
knows where. Some is Non Riv Stuff.

All of this stuff is a few years old. It's been sitting on a shelf in boxes.


FREE to anyone who can pick it up, in Redwood City, by Memorial Day 
Weekend. If you are interested, post a reply...


If 2 people want it, I’ll let them decide


If 3 or more people are interested, We can do a pick a number between 1 and 
100.


Caveat. If you pick up this Stuff and think there value, Please make a 
donation to 826Valencia.   http://826valencia.org/  Even if you don’t take 
this stuff, take a look at  http://826valencia.org/   Good Place.



I hope someone can use this stuff, Thanks for Looking


John





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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Steven Seelig]

Compared to a $600 Bike Friday tandem, my suggestion will be in the 
stratospheric realm.  For my young son and me, we invested in a Co-Motion 
tandem, the Torpedo model where the stoker seat can be raised from 4 foot 
something rider up to 6 feet.  We also got S couplers so we can fit into 
two suitcases for travel. It is super fantastic, and rides really as smooth 
as butter - Riv-like if you would.

The thing about a tandem with couplers is that only one wheel needs to fit 
in each suitcase, making the loading process a heckuva lot easier than 
loading a single, where the two wheel stuff gets pretty tight.  I would say 
that the breakdown and assembly are about the same hour as with the Bike 
Friday.  Where it is not as good is being able to stuff the tandem into the 
trunk of a car, so if you have a sedan, the Bike Friday would work.  But if 
like most 'Mericans you have an SUV or a station wagon like me, just detach 
the front section and the bike fits nicely.  BTW: it breaks into 3 section.

Price is an issue, of course, with a new bike being in the 5 grand range.  
I am told (by the dealer!?) that coupled tandems do hold their value, to 
which I can attest only to their rarity.  I just couldn't find another like 
this in the used market.

Aside from the fact that my stoker son is 9, and getting him to pedal 
steadily is a chore, the bike is a pleasure.  Let's see how many more years 
I get from it until he is ready to ride 50 mile days on his own bike.  

Steve Seelig



On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 1:38:07 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Kelly, 
> Long time no talk.  Feel free to call if you want more details. 
> I had a 66cm Bike Friday briefly and was surprised at the ride for riders 
> our size.  I second that the tire size (width) makes a difference when 
> trying to calm the steering a bit.  Mine accelerated brilliantly and would 
> have been a good fit for your intended purpose. 
> Although I adapted well to the ride and don’t see that being an issue for 
> you.  My wife did not like the look of me riding it. Her being a non 
> cyclist at the time; thought I looked like a “bear on a tricycle” (6’6” 
> 240lbs) and questioned why I was not riding my “normal” bikes (74cm 
> Bombadil or 68cm Quickbeam.  Not that others opinions would significantly 
> affect you nor I.  Nothing better than tightening up a Tilly for protection 
> and riding off. 
>
> Now regarding the Bike Friday Tandem I would not pull the trigger without 
> riding one first although they do hold used value and you could flip/resell 
> easily.  Most who rave about them to my knowledge are not our size and ride 
> them frequently with children and/or as introduction to Tandems.   
> I know you have evolved away from Rivendell but you might want to try 
> their tandem.  My wife wants to ride ours weekly and it is 100% better 
> (more enjoyable) than the Jumbo Cannondales we each owned in the past. 
> I consider mine custom-like and it is so dialed in we will never part with 
> it.  Grant’s willingness to add a size for us outliers is something I will 
> be forever grateful for and what makes him and RBW special.   
>
> Sincerely, 
> Ryan Hankinson 
> West Michigan 
> (616)928-4226 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[Patrick Moore]

Good point. OTOH, getting a skin inside a tube, where sealant dries far
more slowly IME than in a tube, might take longer than in a bare tire. How
long does this take in your experience?

With higher pressures, sealant doesn't seem to require "skinning" to work
inside a tube.

Must cut an older tube open one day to see what's inside. I know with
Stan's, the sealant formed little rubber marbles after 12 or 18 months.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Kainalu V.  wrote:

> I've had the same exasperating experience with newly sealanted tubes. I've
> found that sealant needs a little time to settle in and do it's job.  It's
> miraculous once the internal skin settles.
> -Kai
> BKNY
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[RBW] Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[Rod Holland]

I've just taken delivery of a Clem-L complete, a gift for my girlfriend. As 
I get set to attach pedals, saddle, bell, etc., it occurs to me to ask what 
people's experience with the mechanical preparation of Rivendell completes 
has been. Should I expect that everything that should be lubed, has been 
lubed? Do I need to second-guess the build? I've never heard stories of 
that sort here, so I'm guessing not. What are people's expectations for 
finishing/prepping a newly-delivered Riv complete bike? 

Related question: does Riv normally frame-save their complete bikes?

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which tire (and can I get by without sealant?) for AZ road/dirt

[Kainalu V.]

I've had the same exasperating experience with newly sealanted tubes. I've 
found that sealant needs a little time to settle in and do it's job.  It's 
miraculous once the internal skin settles.
-Kai 
BKNY 

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Dave Grossman]

I will surely give him a call.  I have a feeling the 61 is going to be the 
way to go.  Every time I find a frame that I think will work for me stack 
and reach wise I go back to thinking, why am I looking around when the 
Roadini already exists.  It is so ridiculous that such a simple steel road 
bike with standard threadings and parts can be so outside the box for 
sizing these days.  And when I find something in the price range of the 
Roadini, like the barrage of used titanium road frames on eBay, I come back 
to three main points:

1  Max clearance on most of those is at best, a 28, which is nothing on the 
Roadini.

2.  I will really be pushing the limits of what I want for stack and reach 
and compromising perhaps the most important aspect of a bike for me these 
days, comfort.  Seems kind of silly.

3.  I am not going to crit race anytime soon.  Nuff said.

The BMC road disc is pretty sweet.  Not opposed to discs at all, but 
honestly, it still doesn't have the all day stack and reach comfort of the 
Roadini.  Seems like I keep coming back to that.  I've owned enough bikes 
over the years to know that I've been on too many ill fitting bikes to make 
that compromise again.  

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[RBW] Re: Barsack (sackville) help needed

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Lum, 

A thin foam sheet. (Fabric backed foam head liner might work). Closed cell 
or Neoprene. Neoprene is a little heavier. You can find thin closed cell 
foam at Fleabay. Turn your bag inside out. Cut the foam to fit. Mask off 
the zipper and anywhere you don't want spray glue. Spray the foam and bag 
interior with contact cement and carefully wrap the foam on. Carefully, as 
you only have one shot at this. Let dry. Remove tape. Turn back right side 
out. You might want to fill the bag tightly while inside out, to help put 
on the foam straight and without bubbles or wrinkles. ..If gluing your bag 
sounds too scary and drastic, you can spray glue a flexible plastic 
stiffener to the foam, roll it, insert and let expand to fit (with the foam 
side exposed to the contents).  I would add some peel and stick velcro to 
keep the plastic from rotating around and covering up the zipper if the 
natural expansion fit isn't enough to hold it in place. Foam is key, as the 
noise will drive you nuts with crap bouncing around on the bare plastic.  

Clayton
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