date:20200315

Over the 50 some years I’ve been riding I’ve “crashed” numerous times. But 
rather than relate tales of those I’d like to sing the praises of bump and 
touch drills. I encountered these when riding with a racing focused club but 
I’d hope other types of clubs or clinics do such things. Im no great bike 
handler but I’m convinced having practiced riding through things that sometimes 
induce folks to crash has enabled me to stay upright more often than I 
otherwise would have.

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[RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

You're halfway there now. All you gotta do is slide that bracket on your fender 
and put it back on! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

using a spacer (riv sells nice ones though they are currently out of stock) and 
a longer bolt allows the rack strut to clear the fork blade without needing to 
go flush along the fork end (aka drop out) between the qr axel and the end of 
the fork blade. We’re you to do that you would likely find the qr lever would 
have to be oriented differently to close properly.
To be sure it’s nicer to have a mount on the top of the fork end for rack 
mounting, but it’s possible to do it without them.

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[RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

Woo, that was a fascinating read on black ice. That author was talented - I had 
to skip ahead and find out what would happen to his daughter.

I looked at my fender and rack and realized they required hex keys, which I 
love. I got so far as to get the fender nearly off and realized there is a bolt 
that would necessitate removing the rear wheel. I don’t like taking off wheels; 
I don’t really understand how to know that they are securely seated again 
andsome other stuff. I started at that tight space, wishing I had a shorter 
hex key. I finally realized if I flatted my own tire I just may have enough 
room to maneuver my key. It worked! 

I won’t need my rear rack because I won’t be hauling the boys’s stuff to school 
- we got word today no school until middle of April. So, I’m riding around with 
one front fender and one front rack and the back end is looking naked and 
unbalanced but at least I don’t have to worry about wiggly fenders. Now, I’ll 
wait for the parts to arrive.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread j.schwartz

Thanks Justin
totally agree 
This group needs to stay in it's lane or it's really not worth being a part 
of.





On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:16:07 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high 
> risk all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away 
> from this group as a contributing member. 
>
> It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging 
> impacts on people. 
>
> Grow up. 
>
> -Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread masmojo

As chance would have it; I lost my job just as this was starting to blow 
up, but I can't breath easy even though the kids are out of school because 
my wife is a nurse. :-(

As an aside (and qualifying it with a disclaimer, because I am not a 
medical professional) I *THINK* this YouTube channel is VERY good!!  Watch 
it for a little while and you quickly figure out this guy knows his Sh*t!!!
 https://youtu.be/vE4_LsftNKM

I recommend going back to at least episode #30, then watch through to today.

Me thinks the Italians could put some of this information to good use!?

Regarding group rides, I used to try and go on a ride at my local shop 
(before it closed) and as much as I enjoyed it, what I discovered was that 
sometimes I had to bail out early & go home and when that happened I almost 
always enjoyed riding by myself just as much!

Indeed, I enjoy riding by myself probably too much! :-O  

So, Social Distancing is pretty much normal for me! ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Jay Lonner

My wife and I are both hospital-based physicians in northwest Washington 
state so we are very much on the front lines of  this. I have also noticed 
plenty of anti-science in this thread, but have resisted (and will continue 
to resist) calling it out because a listserv dedicated to Rivendell 
bicycles and adjacent topics is the wrong place to discuss appropriate 
infection control measures for the COVID-19 pandemic. There are many 
excellent and easy to find online resources that are much better suited for 
this purpose, which I strongly encourage everyone to consult for an 
unbiased scientific perspective.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:04:38 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Again, anti-science? Please, help me understand what this means and where 
> it appears in this conversation. Please, be specific.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Daniel M wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for calling it out, Justin. 
>>
>> It's insidious and it's dangerous.
>>
>> Daniel M
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

The answer to the OP's question is riding in groups with decent distance yes, 
pacelines no 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Again, anti-science? Please, help me understand what this means and where 
it appears in this conversation. Please, be specific.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Daniel M wrote:
>
> Thank you for calling it out, Justin. 
>
> It's insidious and it's dangerous.
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Daniel M

Thank you for calling it out, Justin. 

It's insidious and it's dangerous.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

2020-03-15 Thread Sky Coulter

Sorry about the link. And I just looked at my dropout.  has dual eyelets 
and I'm using the top ones so my setup does not mirror yours.  It does make 
me wonder about the origin of my bike. Dual eyelets, on front dropout but 
no rack eyelets on fork.  

On Sunday, 15 March 2020 13:51:11 UTC-7, maxcr wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone, I'll follow Bill's lead and probably save the rack to an 
> upcoming Susie build.
>
> Ted, the problem isn't the QR, it's the notch in the fork and the location 
> of the boss.
>
> Sky, I tried your link, but it seems your account is private.
>
> Max
>
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:57:16 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> I have a toyo 61cm atlantis w the basket rack installed. I felt pretty 
>> good about it until i read Bill’s post (now self doubt begins to stir). I 
>> remember a brief hiccup in the setupbut it seemed to smooth out easily 
>> enough. 
>>
>> Pic of setup from a distance here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/B9UNr5lF5_gcTTZR2RIQq1aMUbCHBUQ-xjHQV00/?igshid=1l2q6z5hwtl6r
>>
>> I’ll take a closer pic of dropouts later if that helps.
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, ted  wrote:
>>
>> Rotate the qr so it’s not over the mounting bolt, get a longer bolt and 
>> a spacer so the rack mount stay can clear the fork blade.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Who here has voiced anything anti-science, Justin?

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:16:07 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high 
> risk all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away 
> from this group as a contributing member. 
>
> It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging 
> impacts on people. 
>
> Grow up. 
>
> -Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Justin, Oakland

As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high risk 
all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away from this 
group as a contributing member. 

It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging 
impacts on people. 

Grow up.

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wheelset and tires 700c

Steilacooms are spoken for

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 7:51:44 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:
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> Pm sent
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yepp Maxi Easyfit Rear Child Seat and Easyfit Compatible Rear Rack

2020-03-15 Thread Michael Baquerizo

Since you prefer local pick up which for something this size I obviously 
understand, i'll submit my interest in the event that you have to ship it 
because no one is interested. 

With that being said my son is only a few months so i'm in no way in a rush 
to take it, so please let this covid thing die out before you even consider 
my interest.



On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:42:07 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> Slowly (very slowly to space out projects over the next couple, likely 
> more, weeks at home) cleaning out bike related things from the garage.
> I bought this setup for my wife's Clementine as I have been very happy 
> with the same setup on my Clem. Well, one ride in my wife confided that 
> she's not too confident in her bike handling skills in general and doesn't 
> feel comfortable with a kid in the back. That and our oldest is reaching 
> the weight limit for this, so we'll only need the setup on my Clem and/or 
> switch to a trail-a-bike or trailer (still figuring that solution out).
>
> So... for sale...
>
> Yepp Maxi Rear Child Seat - Easyfit model - White
> Rear Rack (forget the make/model) designed for the Easyfit window - silver 
> - steel - hefty - mount for rear light
>
> Mounted and used for one short ride. It's a great system overall and the 
> rack is rated well beyond the seat's weight limit.
> Highly recommended system - I'm continuing to use the first setup we have 
> with our youngest on my Clem.
>
> Photos here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B9xC61ZFhp6/
>
> $125 for both (seat AND rack) plus shipping. Not wanting to separate the 
> two right now.
> Local pickup would be ideal to avoid the shipping cost - I just ask that 
> you pay via Paypal first - then we can arrange something, maybe after this 
> health crisis subsides or with a pickup from my porch option.
> Contact offlist if interested.
> Paypal for payment.
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

We do need all of us, in humble kindness. The world is experiencing 
something unprecedented, both in the rapidly spreading new coronavirus and 
the more rapidly spreading virus of fear. That we may the better apply 
ourselves to addressing the virus, let kindness and reason rule our hearts, 
along with the other virtues, that elevate us beyond the reach of fear and 
its spread. Kindness combats spite; humility overcomes pride; and so on do 
the heavenly virtues vanquish the deadly sins. May God startle you with joy!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] FS: Wheelset and tires 700c

2020-03-15 Thread Ray Varella

Pm sent

Thank you 
Ray

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

2020-03-15 Thread Jay Lonner

Attached find a pair of Rivs (and their owners) on a bright and chilly day 
- me and my trusty Hunq and my wife on her maiden Cheviot voyage, after I 
spent way too long building it up... She likes it! 

Jay Lonner
Bellingam, WA

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

2020-03-15 Thread Jay Lonner

Enjoyed this discussion, and wound up buying a pair of Red Wing mocc toe 
boots (see attached photo). The chukkas didn’t have enough room for my 
high-volume forefoot. The breaking-in process is going smoothly, and I look 
forward to wearing these for years to come. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:37:39 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional 
> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>
> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is 
> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles. 
> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type 
> "technology."
>
> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished 
> to restore looks.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about 
> walking boots.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Mark’s rack + Wald 137

2020-03-15 Thread Nathan Mattia

I’m Putting the same setup on my new caliper Hillborne : Mark’s Rack with a 
Wald 137 Medium basket.   I’ve got albatross bars. I hope it all works 
together. 

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[RBW] Re: Crash Stories

2020-03-15 Thread George Schick

My crash stories begin way back in the mid-60's.  My first "decent" bike 
was a Raleigh three-speed knock-off of some kind or another.  I was riding 
down a long hill along the edge (no shoulder) of a major concrete, curbed 
thoroughfare when I, not knowing any better, rode across a storm sewer that 
only had parallel grates.   Needless to say, my front wheel went straight 
down between some of those grates and over the bars I went.  I managed to 
get up without any injuries, save maybe a few minor bumps and bruises and 
continued on.  'Course, I was a kid then and more able to withstand 
injuries.

After that I was on high alert for sewer grates.  In subsequent years most 
of my "crashes" have been caused by irresponsible personal behavior - 
forgetting to clip-out of pedals until too late and falling over, not 
watching where I was going and running into inanimate objects, etc. 
 Nowadays, when I've become too old to afford to have a crash of any kind, 
I'm overly cautious about anything and everything.

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 5:40:10 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> On a recent thread, we veered off topic things that might cause crashes. 
> Stories began pouring in, and they were fascinating and useful. I think we 
> should have a new thread here where you can contribute your experiences and 
> the rest of us can learn a thing or two. For instance, I didn’t know a 
> fender unsecured at the seat stay could cause a crash and now I do. I’ll be 
> fixing mine forthwith! 
>
> I feel fortunate not to have any stories to contribute here, but please 
> share yours with us. Some of them might even be funny. (We’ll be laughing 
> WITH you.) 
> Leah

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[RBW] Crash Stories

2020-03-15 Thread J Imler

I thought I was Lance Armstrong. My commute home was a leg of the tour. I was 
riding hard, head down. Next thing I know there’s a lady on the street that I’d 
put the front wheel between the legs of. She was getting her mail and we 
collided. Luckily she was young and could take it. She was exceptionally nice 
about it. I think I was on an upslope so that probably helped.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

Party on, Garth! 藍

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Patrick Moore

Garth -- I appreciate your good nature.

Patrick

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:59 PM Garth  wrote:

>
> ( ( ( (  Laughing  ) ) ) )With Patrick  Moore.
>
>
>
> You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a
> couple of my favorites.  It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels,
> hears and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play".
>
> In celebration of what LIFE IS . which ever is   never not .
>
> "If" you're wondering what this has to do with "reality" . such has
> EVERYTHING to do with reality ! !
>
> Smile and play . it is your nature after all ;-)
>
> " Party On "    (  just for you Joe !  )
>
> Twinkle Twinkle  . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjJyiqpAuU
>
> Oh ... and Snowflake too . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbKjDjMDok
>
> And a goodnite for all with Bears.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbpLQp509Y
>
>
> I appreciate you'nz"all  as they say in da'Burg.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> *He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and
>> darkness begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover
>> over the abyss of unideal vacancy ...*
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or
>>> any topic, including yours.
>>>
>>> What's done is done . censorship censored.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
 If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not
 saying anything might be a wise choice.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Stories

I remember when I was in elementary school watching a kid riding as hard
as he could, head down and not looking where he was going, ride right
into the back of a New York City garbage truck. He ended up flying over
the bars, inside the truck, sprawled out in the garbage. The bike was a
total loss.

On 3/15/20 7:05 PM, Garth wrote:

Oh I remember running into a parked pickup truck at low speed in
front of the County garage in the fairgrounds at age 12 or something
! My new Raleigh 3 speed as unharmed too.

Ummm ... keep your head up ?

Ahahahahahah !!!

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:40:10 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
Ding! wrote:

On a recent thread, we veered off topic things that might cause
crashes. Stories began pouring in, and they were fascinating and
useful. I think we should have a new thread here where you can
contribute your experiences and the rest of us can learn a thing
or two. For instance, I didn’t know a fender unsecured at the seat
stay could cause a crash and now I do. I’ll be fixing mine forthwith!

I feel fortunate not to have any stories to contribute here, but
please share yours with us. Some of them might even be funny.
(We’ll be laughing WITH you.)
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Crash Stories

Ooh, I have that story from about the same age, too, Garth! I was cruising 
along on my Sting-Ray (probably) and got distracted for a moment.. 
KABLAMMO..suddenly I find myself sprawled on the back of a parked VW Beetle. I 
hope the cute girl across the street was impressed. The one I was distracted 
by.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Leah Peterson

You know, we just need all of us. That’s what I’m going with from now on.

Just got word Nevada has no school until middle of April at least. We’re 
grounded these days, I imagine we’ll all be ”seeing” each other a bit more 
here. Like family!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ( ( ( (  Laughing  ) ) ) )With Patrick  Moore. 
> 
> 
> 
> You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a couple 
> of my favorites.  It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels, hears 
> and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play".  
> 
> In celebration of what LIFE IS . which ever is   never not . 
> 
> "If" you're wondering what this has to do with "reality" . such has 
> EVERYTHING to do with reality ! !  
> 
> Smile and play . it is your nature after all ;-)
> 
> " Party On "    (  just for you Joe !  )  
> 
> Twinkle Twinkle  . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjJyiqpAuU
> 
> Oh ... and Snowflake too . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbKjDjMDok
> 
> And a goodnite for all with Bears. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbpLQp509Y
> 
> 
> I appreciate you'nz"all  as they say in da'Burg. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness 
>> begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the 
>> abyss of unideal vacancy ...
>> 
>> Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or any 
>>> topic, including yours. 
>>> 
>>> What's done is done . censorship censored. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
 If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
 anything might be a wise choice.
 
 
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>> ---
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[RBW] Re: Crash Stories


  Oh I remember running into a parked pickup truck at low speed in front of 
the County garage in the fairgrounds at age 12 or something !   My new 
Raleigh 3 speed as unharmed too. 

Ummm ... keep your head up ?

Ahahahahahah !!! 



On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:40:10 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> On a recent thread, we veered off topic things that might cause crashes. 
> Stories began pouring in, and they were fascinating and useful. I think we 
> should have a new thread here where you can contribute your experiences and 
> the rest of us can learn a thing or two. For instance, I didn’t know a 
> fender unsecured at the seat stay could cause a crash and now I do. I’ll be 
> fixing mine forthwith! 
>
> I feel fortunate not to have any stories to contribute here, but please 
> share yours with us. Some of them might even be funny. (We’ll be laughing 
> WITH you.) 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World


( ( ( (  Laughing  ) ) ) )With Patrick  Moore. 



You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a 
couple of my favorites.  It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels, 
hears and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play".  

In celebration of what LIFE IS . which ever is   never not . 

"If" you're wondering what this has to do with "reality" . such has 
EVERYTHING to do with reality ! !  

Smile and play . it is your nature after all ;-)

" Party On "    (  just for you Joe !  )  

Twinkle Twinkle  . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjJyiqpAuU

Oh ... and Snowflake too . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbKjDjMDok

And a goodnite for all with Bears. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbpLQp509Y


I appreciate you'nz"all  as they say in da'Burg. 








On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> *He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness 
> begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the 
> abyss of unideal vacancy ...*
>
> Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>  
>> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or 
>> any topic, including yours. 
>>
>> What's done is done . censorship censored. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
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>>> anything might be a wise choice.
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[RBW] Crash Stories

I was on a folding bike at my old apartment, rode to the mailbox. Grabbed the 
mail, put it on top of the bars and rode back. At one point I came to a turn in 
the path and..I don't remember if I couldn't reach a brake lever or what 
exactly went wrong but I could tell I was about to WAY overshoot the turn into 
a bush. So I bailed instead and tumbled through the grass to my left. After 
looking around and realizing nobody saw it, I quickly stood up and walked the 
bike back like nothing happened 

Joe "nothing to see here, folks" Bernard
Falling at the apartments, California

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[RBW] Crash Stories

On a recent thread, we veered off topic things that might cause crashes. 
Stories began pouring in, and they were fascinating and useful. I think we 
should have a new thread here where you can contribute your experiences and the 
rest of us can learn a thing or two. For instance, I didn’t know a fender 
unsecured at the seat stay could cause a crash and now I do. I’ll be fixing 
mine forthwith!

I feel fortunate not to have any stories to contribute here, but please share 
yours with us. Some of them might even be funny. (We’ll be laughing WITH you.)
Leah

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[RBW] Real Crashes & What Caused Them

Steve - I shuddered. I examined your photos before your explanations and I 
could see the potential danger in them and it made me wonder how I knew. It’s 
from being a kid and crashing, I’m certain of it. Kids learn this stuff the 
hard way and apparently, we remember as adults! I knew exactly what do do about 
the railroad photos; hit them at a right angle - but if moving at speed I 
wonder if I’d have dared try to zip over them... 

Joe - well, I’m sorry but I laughed at you. Diving off your folder bike into 
the bushes and “nothing to see here” 藍

I’m going to start a new thread because these are really good things for 
cyclers to ponder and we can’t have them lost in my Wiggly Fender Thread. If 
it’s not too troublesome, repost your stories there!

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[RBW] Real Crashes & What Caused Them

I was on a folding bike at my old apartment, rode to the mailbox. Grabbed the 
mail, put it on top of the bars and rode back. At one point I came to a turn in 
the path and..I don't know if I couldn't reach a brake lever or what exactly 
went wrong but I could tell I was about to WAY overshoot the turn into a bush. 
So I bailed instead and tumbled through the grass to my left. After looking 
around and realizing nobody saw it, I quickly stood up and walked the bike back 
like nothing happened 

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Re: [RBW] Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

I appreciate Garth, too. I mean I've given him the business many times, but I'm 
Kinder Gentler Joe now and we're currently in the Apocalypse. Bigger fish to 
fry and whatnot!  

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[RBW] Re: Mark’s rack + Wald 137

That's what I have on my Homer and I recommend it. If I put too much weight 
on it, I can feel it as it deteriorates handling, but generally speaking it 
works like a charm.

If you plan to carry a heavier laptop plus other stuff, I suggest adding 
the additional struts and something to tie the tombstone to the handlebar 
to make sure it's safe.

Max

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 5:21:04 PM UTC-4, Eric G@rs wrote:
>
> I’m looking to outfit my Homer with a front basket rather than rear and 
> considering Mark’s rack as it is seems small and light and ideally won’t 
> effect handling while unloaded. 95% of use when loaded would be carrying my 
> messenger bag with laptop for work or a single bag of groceries so not too 
> heavy. I’ve read through the archives a bit in this, but opinions change 
> with experience so I’m curious to hear from people that have used this 
> combination whether they like it or would recommend another option. 
>
> Eric G@rs (I prefer some degree of anonymity via google search hence the @ 
> in place of “a”) 
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[RBW] Mark’s rack + Wald 137

2020-03-15 Thread Eric G@rs

I’m looking to outfit my Homer with a front basket rather than rear and 
considering Mark’s rack as it is seems small and light and ideally won’t effect 
handling while unloaded. 95% of use when loaded would be carrying my messenger 
bag with laptop for work or a single bag of groceries so not too heavy. I’ve 
read through the archives a bit in this, but opinions change with experience so 
I’m curious to hear from people that have used this combination whether they 
like it or would recommend another option. 

Eric G@rs (I prefer some degree of anonymity via google search hence the @ in 
place of “a”)
SF

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

Thanks everyone, I'll follow Bill's lead and probably save the rack to an 
upcoming Susie build.

Ted, the problem isn't the QR, it's the notch in the fork and the location 
of the boss.

Sky, I tried your link, but it seems your account is private.

Max


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:57:16 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I have a toyo 61cm atlantis w the basket rack installed. I felt pretty 
> good about it until i read Bill’s post (now self doubt begins to stir). I 
> remember a brief hiccup in the setupbut it seemed to smooth out easily 
> enough. 
>
> Pic of setup from a distance here:
>
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B9UNr5lF5_gcTTZR2RIQq1aMUbCHBUQ-xjHQV00/?igshid=1l2q6z5hwtl6r
>
> I’ll take a closer pic of dropouts later if that helps.
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, ted > 
> wrote:
>
> Rotate the qr so it’s not over the mounting bolt, get a longer bolt and 
> a spacer so the rack mount stay can clear the fork blade.
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Re: [RBW] Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

I appreciate Garth. Trying to figure out just what the heck he is saying has 
taken my mind off the global pandemic for a while.

"Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.” 
—Derek Zoolander

--Eric Norris
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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, lambbo  wrote:
> 
>  I appreciate Garth's odd posts. 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

Steve, we should start such a thread - real crashes and what caused them. I’d 
read every last entry.

The noise I heard was definitely part of my bike - I could feel it. 

Pretty sure those fender bolts require hex keys - and hex keys are my jam, so 
I’ll rip that rear fender right off.

Just gotta wait for the fender parts and then if the world hasn’t shut down, 
I’ll haul my bike in to a mechanic. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

On 3/15/20 4:29 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Robert, wow. Glad to hear you recovered and sorry that this crash had such a
lasting impact on the way you ride. I’m glad you have been able to work through
it (though you clearly have some traumatic effects); it’s inspiring.

Ted and Steve - very interesting tales, and good for us to know about so we can
prevent crashes like these. I have a strange fascination with hearing stories
of crashes, as if I can prevent them happening if I just catalogue everyone’s
stories and learn from their mistakes. This is ridiculous, of course, and if I
ride long enough there will probably come a day when I crash. My sons have rear
racks and baskets on their bikes and their backpack straps will sometimes fall
down near the spinning rear wheel I I SHUDDER. I make them stop and we fix the
straps.

Yes, there's real value in that, and in learning from other people's
mistakes. I could go on about things that have caused crashes to
myself or others near me, but this isn't the thread.

So, a weird thing happened today. We’ve been doing the social distancing thing
hoping to “flatten the curve” but I’m still going out for solo bike rides. I’m
now freshly aware of the dangers of wiggly fenders, so I’m already on edge. A
fourth of the way down Killer Hill I hear what sounds like some thuds from my
rear wheel. I honestly believe the tire is flatting. I stop the bike and can
see nothing amiss (which makes me laugh to type because I’ve been riding around
with a wiggly fender so what do I know about things being amiss?) but I decide
I’m NOT going down that hill now. I turn around, get up the hill and I hear the
noise again. Whatever is causing it stops as suddenly as it starts, and I ride
home another mile with no issue.

Are you sure it wasn't something by the side of the road? Someone doing
home repairs, maybe using a nail gun? Or possibly out back doing some
plinking? (one of our local trails goes by a private shooting range -
lot of signs saying "STAY ON THE TRAIL!!") Maybe it wasn't from your
bike at all.

But now I’m scared of the bike because I’ve read your stories and you’ve told
me the perils of wiggly fenders and poor mechanics. (Fun fact: the mechanic in
question actually assembled my whole Clem L. Yay!) I decide to ditch my Clem L
and ride the cast-off Clem H that I’m saving for my son to grow into. I tweak
it a bit, put a Randi Jo bag on the bars for my essentials and go.

Roberta calls mixtes “trip throughs.” I would call a diamond frame a “fall on
top of.” I don’t actually fall over it, but we cannot rule this out. I am
immediately aware of what a BRAT I have become. I can’t live with these grips.
These bars are not high enough and close enough for my liking. I smirk when I
realize how ridiculous it is to say so about one of Grant’s bikes. I wish my
Betty Foy was not disassembled and packed because I would ride that bike
instead. The Cheviot I’m ordering won’t arrive until August (so, September) and
I spend the rest of the ride in misery worrying over my disabled Clem and about
being bikeless. I make myself thoroughly miserable and come home after only 5.6
miles. I look longingly at my bike in the garage, wonder if it’s really *that*
dangerous to ride it. I have become a brat, snooty about bikes and I know it. I
can only ride Rivendells. And only if they have a certain stem I like, and
those Ergon grips. Ok, one bike. I can ride like one bike - the Clem L with the
wiggly fender that threatens to crash me at any moment.

Get that fender fixed and all will be well. In the meantime, maybe just
take it off. It'll take you 10 seconds to figure out how. Seriously,
it's that obvious.

I don’t know if I’m supposed to be going to bike shops during COVID-19. I don’t
have the fender parts I need yet anyway. It looks like Old Blue is going to be
my ride for the foreseeable future. If you guys want to shed real tears for the
terrible situation I find myself in, I’m totally ok with that. 

"Social distance" - how close to you need to get to anyone in a bike
shop? 10' is certainly close enough. Pay with a credit card. Wash
your hands. Here's a link to a good video on hand washing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rnI0PHIFEMA=2s

It's going to be less crowded in a bike shop than in your supermarket.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread George Schick

Deborah - this supports what I heard on the local news channel last night. 
 Our governor, like many, has nixed all get-togethers, whether schools, 
churches, movies, or other social events of over 250 people for a period of 
2 weeks, i.e., until the end of the month.  However, a comment from a 
national health organization representative said that only a 2 week period 
will be of minimal use.  Hopefully, as this pandemic continues these people 
will issue further guidelines extending that period.

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:57:13 AM UTC-5, Deborah Coffin wrote:
>
> Keeping this in mind: 
>
> Half of the overall cases are expected within a period of a few weeks, 
> with 95% in a period of around 10 weeks. 
>
> From columnist Megan McArdle: There’s an old brain teaser that goes like 
> this: You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single 
> lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that 
> on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on. 
> Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond 
> completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?” 
> The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily 
> pads are there. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

This reminds me there's gotta be a better way to cover wheels than this. I love 
the look, I love the not getting sprayed with stuff on the street, but this 
"hope they don't fail" business is for the birds. Birds who like that kind of 
thing. 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Elias Hakim

I’ll agree with that Steve.
I can imagine situations where having a rear wheel lock up would be quite
stressful and dangerous, even if you were able to maintain control.
Riding in heavy traffic and crossing major intersections are two situations
that are easy to think of.

Btw- I do still run fenders on some bikes. One of my takeaways was to
increase the frequency and intensity of my “bolt checks”. Failure is always
in the back of my mind and frequently I will stop to give a tightness check
if those thoughts are disrupting my flow state.

Robert, SLC


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:31 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Can a rear wheel lock up be problematic?
>
> Let me tell you a little story.  A few years ago, a colleague at work
> wrapped a cast-off sweater around her seat post and rear rack.  As she was
> riding along, an arm of the sweater came loose.  It got wrapped up in the
> back wheel, which locked.  Her bike skidded, she crashed, and spent most of
> the next year out of work having and recovering from multiple surgeries.
>
> Is it likely?  Probably not.  As someone mentioned, you can control rear
> skids.  On the other hand, many people lose control if their rear wheel
> skids -- it's how most crashes on the local bike trail happen, rear wheel
> skids on slippery boardwalk or bridge, and most people simply lose control
> and crash.
>
> Something similar happened with a rear mud flap to one of Jan Heine's
> riding companions on Paris Brest Paris last year.  He managed to avoid a
> crash.
>
> In any event, it's not something you want to happen.
> On 3/15/20 2:44 PM, Elias Hakim wrote:
>
> Leah,
> Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my front
> fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help secure the
> fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed riding that nut
> eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and contacted the wheel.
> It had enough force the twist the fork crown and place the dropouts behind
> the down tube. I was lucky to escape with an overnight in the hospital, a
> grade III ac separation, a concussion, and serious road rash on legs, arms,
> stomach, shoulders, and lower back. It took me over a year and a half to
> regain confidence riding down the slightest hill and to this day I dislike
> high speed road descents.
>
> Though it was a costly way to learn, I did come away with a number of
> lessons and strong opinions.
>
> I imagine a rear fender issue could be problematic, but certainly less
> catastrophic than a front failure.
>
> Robert, SLC
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:55 AM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I
>> won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I
>> wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us
>> what happened? I hope you are ok.
>>
>> Best,
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the
>> bolt- not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the
>> know-how and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave
>> the shop "as is"
>>
>> That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop.
>> Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed
>> wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other
>> safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?
>>
>> FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was
>> omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a
>> spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile
>> bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a
>> suitable solution.
>>
>> Good luck finding a reputable shop!
>>
>> -Robert, SLC
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Steve Palincsar
>>> Alexandria, Virginia
>>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

2020-03-15 Thread Sky Coulter

I have a toyo 61cm atlantis w the basket rack installed. I felt pretty good 
about it until i read Bill’s post (now self doubt begins to stir). I remember a 
brief hiccup in the setupbut it seemed to smooth out easily enough. 

Pic of setup from a distance here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9UNr5lF5_gcTTZR2RIQq1aMUbCHBUQ-xjHQV00/?igshid=1l2q6z5hwtl6r

I’ll take a closer pic of dropouts later if that helps.

Sky in new west

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 12:22 PM, ted  wrote:
> 
> Rotate the qr so it’s not over the mounting bolt, get a longer bolt and a 
> spacer so the rack mount stay can clear the fork blade.
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Re: [RBW] Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

So much depends on what "group ride" means. If your notion of "group
ride" means pacelining and close contact that's probably not safe.

I led a ride yesterday. My ride report:
https://ohbike.memberlodge.org/reports/8827761

11 of us altogether. We had no physical contact with each other, were
never closer to each other than around 5-6 feet, usually farther. We
rode apart -- there never is pacelining on my rides -- keeping usually
at least a car length distance between bikes. I asked at the start that
there be no snot-rockets and everyone obliged. At the rest stops,
people washed their hands in the rest rooms, and before the ride most
people chose a quiet spot behiind a Connex container rather than use the
rest room at the Exxon. I modified the ride sign-up procedure to
eliminate each rider signing the waiver; instead, they told me their
names and emergency contact info and I wrote it down.

There were two physicians in the group, and they were content with our
"social distancing" practices.

It was a fabulous day, great weather, terrific scenery and all made
better because of good company (kept at a safe distance, of course).

Big rides? Canceled. In fact some of our club were packing for a Moab
bike festival when news of the cancellation of the event arrived. Our
club hosts a metric century in June that usually gets 500-600
participants; the organizers are planning to cancel the event.

On 3/15/20 3:30 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

The OP asked what I think about bike gatherings in March 2020. I think most of
your group ride opportunities will get postponed or canceled. I think you
should go ahead and ride solo within reason but keep unnecessary interactions
with people to a minimum.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Austin B.

No over the shoulder loogies applies at all times, not just during 
pandemics!

And here's something that will eat up 8 minutes of your isolation if you've 
never seen it: 

The Backwards Bicycle Brain
https://youtu.be/MFzDaBzBlL0

Cheers,

Austin 
Sykesville, MD



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>
> :) and no over the shoulder loogies!  
>
>
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[RBW] FS: Yepp Maxi Easyfit Rear Child Seat and Easyfit Compatible Rear Rack

2020-03-15 Thread David B

Slowly (very slowly to space out projects over the next couple, likely
more, weeks at home) cleaning out bike related things from the garage.
I bought this setup for my wife's Clementine as I have been very happy with
the same setup on my Clem. Well, one ride in my wife confided that she's
not too confident in her bike handling skills in general and doesn't feel
comfortable with a kid in the back. That and our oldest is reaching the
weight limit for this, so we'll only need the setup on my Clem and/or
switch to a trail-a-bike or trailer (still figuring that solution out).

So... for sale...

Yepp Maxi Rear Child Seat - Easyfit model - White
Rear Rack (forget the make/model) designed for the Easyfit window - silver
- steel - hefty - mount for rear light

Mounted and used for one short ride. It's a great system overall and the
rack is rated well beyond the seat's weight limit.
Highly recommended system - I'm continuing to use the first setup we have
with our youngest on my Clem.

Photos here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B9xC61ZFhp6/

$125 for both (seat AND rack) plus shipping. Not wanting to separate the
two right now.
Local pickup would be ideal to avoid the shipping cost - I just ask that
you pay via Paypal first - then we can arrange something, maybe after this
health crisis subsides or with a pickup from my porch option.
Contact offlist if interested.
Paypal for payment.
Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread lambbo

:) and no over the shoulder loogies!  


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:32:16 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> And no snot rockets.
> On 3/15/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline 
> ‍♀️‍♂️
>
>
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> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World


And no snot rockets.

On 3/15/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline ‍♀️‍♂️


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Pass And Stow 5 rail rack

2020-03-15 Thread Jim M.

It's gone. Thanks for the interest. 

Healthy trails!
jim m
wc, ca

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 9:48:31 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 4:08:30 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> i have a CETMA Half Rack, https://cetmacargo.com/products/cetma-halfrack, 
>> you can have cheap if you want. 
>>
>>>
>>>
> Sorry for any confusion, I did not look closely at the link. I have an 
> earlier version of the Halfrack, and the legs are welded not bolted, so 
> it's an awkward item to ship.  If you're in the SF Bay Area and want it, 
> make a $50 donation to my local food bank, 
> https://give.foodbankccs.org/give/190501/#!/donation/checkout. 
>
>
> 
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

Can a rear wheel lock up be problematic?

Let me tell you a little story. A few years ago, a colleague at work
wrapped a cast-off sweater around her seat post and rear rack. As she
was riding along, an arm of the sweater came loose. It got wrapped up
in the back wheel, which locked. Her bike skidded, she crashed, and
spent most of the next year out of work having and recovering from
multiple surgeries.

Is it likely? Probably not. As someone mentioned, you can control rear
skids. On the other hand, many people lose control if their rear wheel
skids -- it's how most crashes on the local bike trail happen, rear
wheel skids on slippery boardwalk or bridge, and most people simply lose
control and crash.

Something similar happened with a rear mud flap to one of Jan Heine's
riding companions on Paris Brest Paris last year. He managed to avoid a
crash.

In any event, it's not something you want to happen.

On 3/15/20 2:44 PM, Elias Hakim wrote:

Leah,
Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my
front fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help
secure the fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed
riding that nut eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and
contacted the wheel. It had enough force the twist the fork crown and
place the dropouts behind the down tube. I was lucky to escape with an
overnight in the hospital, a grade III ac separation, a concussion,
and serious road rash on legs, arms, stomach, shoulders, and lower
back. It took me over a year and a half to regain confidence riding
down the slightest hill and to this day I dislike high speed road
descents.

Though it was a costly way to learn, I did come away with a number of
lessons and strong opinions.

I imagine a rear fender issue could be problematic, but certainly less
catastrophic than a front failure.

Robert, SLC

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:55 AM Leah Peterson
mailto:jonasandle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious
mistake, I won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a
little concerned - I wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a
wreck. Do you mind telling us what happened? I hope you are ok.

Best,
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim
mailto:elias.robert.ha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have
the bolt- not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't
have the know-how and actually allowed a bicycle with an
unsecured fender to leave the shop "as is"

That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon
the shop. Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly
following a high speed wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also
makes me wonder, what other safety issues is the mechanic
oblivious to?

FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip
was omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help
turn up a spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill,
some low-profile bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather
washer will also be a suitable solution.

Good luck finding a reputable shop!

-Robert, SLC

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar
wrote:

It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the
requisite bolt.

Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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[RBW] Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Bill Lindsay

The OP asked what I think about bike gatherings in March 2020. I think most of 
your group ride opportunities will get postponed or canceled. I think you 
should go ahead and ride solo within reason but keep unnecessary interactions 
with people to a minimum. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline ‍♀️‍♂️

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

Rotate the qr so it’s not over the mounting bolt, get a longer bolt and a 
spacer so the rack mount stay can clear the fork blade.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

2020-03-15 Thread Bill Lindsay

>From my perspective, you shouldn’t consider this rack of you don’t have bosses 
>on top of the fork tips. There ar other racks that will accomplish the same 
>things while attaching to the bosses below the fork tips

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

Front fenders are much more problematic than rear ones. A friend of mine 
recently picked up a stick with her front tire which lodged under her front 
fender. She is now recovering from a broken arm and can’t ride (except on an 
indoor trainer). I once had a rear fender accordion up against the rear brake 
bridge locking up the rear wheel. It was very disconcerting but manageable.
Perhaps the worst thing about the fascination with racing bikes and the 
attendant marginalization of fenders is the resulting proliferation of 
“mechanics” who’ve no idea what to do with them. If fenders on bikes weren’t so 
uncommon such incompetence wouldn’t be tolerated.

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[RBW] Re: Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

Leah, it's the front fender that can cause trauma if it fails. A rear fender 
doing something odd and interfering with your rear wheel is going to cause a 
skid, which will most likely be no more dramatic than you gradually coming to 
an unplanned stop. 

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[RBW] Re: Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Philip Williamson

I was literally about to suggest that. “Salt Lake is close to a Vegas, right?” 
:)

As for myself and the small crew I rode with, we do not work on bikes together 
unless it’s trail side. Pre-ride, there may be texting pictures along the line 
of “what should I ride?” or “I hope I can get this bike together in time!” 

Philip
Happy for the rain in Santa Rosa, Cal.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Patrick Moore

I agree with this as long as I am able to yank Garth's chain.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Patrick Moore

*He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness
begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the
abyss of unideal vacancy ...*

Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM

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[RBW] Clem rack

2020-03-15 Thread 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch

Is anyone using the Clem rack as a basket support on the front?  There are 
a couple of pictures on the Rivendell site that appear to have it on the 
front, but they're not great.  

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Elias Hakim

Leah,
Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my front
fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help secure the
fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed riding that nut
eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and contacted the wheel.
It had enough force the twist the fork crown and place the dropouts behind
the down tube. I was lucky to escape with an overnight in the hospital, a
grade III ac separation, a concussion, and serious road rash on legs, arms,
stomach, shoulders, and lower back. It took me over a year and a half to
regain confidence riding down the slightest hill and to this day I dislike
high speed road descents.

Though it was a costly way to learn, I did come away with a number of
lessons and strong opinions.

I imagine a rear fender issue could be problematic, but certainly less
catastrophic than a front failure.

Robert, SLC

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:55 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I
> won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I
> wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us
> what happened? I hope you are ok.
>
> Best,
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt-
> not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how
> and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop
> "as is"
>
> That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop.
> Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed
> wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other
> safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?
>
> FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was
> omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a
> spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile
> bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a
> suitable solution.
>
> Good luck finding a reputable shop!
>
> -Robert, SLC
>
>
> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.
>>
>
>
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia
>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack Reports and Photos?

Has anyone successfully installed a basket rack on an older Toyo Atlantis?

Mine is a 61 with 700c wheels and I don't see how to make it fit. I thought 
it would make a fun weekend project, but I'm stuck.

There's a notch that limits the angle of the support extension, see photo. 
I tried longer ones which I had from a rear rack, but they also don't work 
(and look ridiculous).

Any ideas welcome.

Max self distancing in Cambridge, MA

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>
> Actually, it looks like they have a restock right now. As of this morning, 
> there were 8 available. But yeah, i'm sure this rack will be around for a 
> long time so take your time deciding. 
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 11:16 AM Isaac Enloe  > wrote:
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>> Thanks, Justin. I really appreciate the quick review and photos. One of 
>> the things I really like about the Basket Rack is that you can bring the 
>> basket closer or further from the crown while keeping it level, unlike my 
>> old Large Front Rack, which put the center of the basket in front of the 
>> hub and could be a little unwieldy. I had wondered about the drop 
>> attachments, both in terms of aesthetics and strength, so it's good to see 
>> that they don't look bad and to hear that they feel secure.
>>
>> It looks like I'll have some time to think more about it, because they're 
>> all sold out.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS feeler 68cm Atlantis

2020-03-15 Thread Kurt Manley

It does actually fit great when I'm riding it but with big tires there's 
just not enough stand over for off road riding. It fits exactly how I 
wanted, just the right amount of post showing for a correct look imo, but 
not enough room for unplanned off road dismounts.

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 6:00:39 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Good price for a nice bike. It's definitely too big for me, but based on 
> the saddle height in that picture, it doesn't look to big for you. 
> Obviously, you know better than me if it doesn't fit, but out of curiosity, 
> what about feels too big? Not enough standoff height?
>
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> Seattle
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[RBW] Re: FS feeler 68cm Atlantis

2020-03-15 Thread Kurt Manley

Saddle height is about 86cm

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> I’ve never seen a 68cm Atlantis.  I’m curious, do you know the saddle 
> height in the photo?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread lambbo

While a great source of community and bike/Rivendell related 
information...it is easy to consider this entire endeavor a foolish waste 
of time if we're shutting people down and arguing about who should be able 
to say what when.  I appreciate Garth's odd posts. 

I'm personally quarantined right now, and can forsee how, as many of us are 
working from home, this forum could become a wonderful escape from the news 
and monotony of quarantine, a space for humor, to find information, and 
opinions you disagree with (Deacon, grin), and community...

...or, it could slip into a site for us to place our (justified) 
frustration with politics, our health, and the economy, in hurtful and 
thoughtless ways which will only further dampen our collective spirits. 

Let's choose to be kind and celebrate this space, where viruses can't 
interrupt our sociability! 

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> It's not censorship to think your comments on this issue are a foolish 
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> On 3/15/20 1:43 PM, Garth wrote:
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>
> What's done is done . censorship censored. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

Wiggly fender comes in contact with wheel, gets sucked into the space
between the tire and the fork, wheel locks because it's jammed and Bye
Bye Love...

On 3/15/20 1:54 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake,
I won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned
- I wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind
telling us what happened? I hope you are ok.

Best,
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim
wrote:

I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the
bolt- not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have
the know-how and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender
to leave the shop "as is"

That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the
shop. Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a
high speed wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder,
what other safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?

FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was
omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up
a spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some
low-profile bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer
will also be a suitable solution.

Good luck finding a reputable shop!

-Robert, SLC

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite
bolt.

Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Leah Peterson

Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I won’t 
go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I wouldn’t have 
known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us what happened? I 
hope you are ok. 

Best,
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt- 
> not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how and 
> actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop "as is"
> 
> That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop. 
> Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed wreck 
> due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other safety issues 
> is the mechanic oblivious to?
> 
> FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was omitted a 
> quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a spare part. 
> Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile bolts, a small "L" 
> clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a suitable solution. 
> 
> Good luck finding a reputable shop! 
> 
> -Robert, SLC
> 
> 
>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.   
>> 
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>> Alexandria, Virginia 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

It's not censorship to think your comments on this issue are a foolish 
waste of time.


On 3/15/20 1:43 PM, Garth wrote:


What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this 
or any topic, including yours.


What's done is done . censorship censored.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World


 
What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or any 
topic, including yours. 

What's done is done . censorship censored. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Deborah Coffin

Keeping this in mind:

Half of the overall cases are expected within a period of a few weeks, with 95% 
in a period of around 10 weeks.

>From columnist Megan McArdle: There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: 
>You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This 
>particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you 
>have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on.
Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond 
completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?”
The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads 
are there.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Robert Hakim

I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt- 
not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how 
and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop 
"as is"

That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop. 
Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed 
wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other 
safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?

FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was omitted 
a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a spare part. 
Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile bolts, a small 
"L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a suitable solution. 

Good luck finding a reputable shop! 

-Robert, SLC

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> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.   
>

> Steve Palincsar
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Re: [RBW] OT: Wrenching for homeless

2020-03-15 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch

UPDATE: I got home from a ride/hike on Friday to find an email letting me know 
that the homeless event has been canceled. They were adamant earlier in the 
week about the show going on but, alas, it is not to be. I want to thank those 
who chipped in their advice and eased my apprehension. I'd also especially like 
to thank Kim/flowerfang, for her help. She reached out to me through PM. She 
used to live here in Tucson and, in fact, founded an organization called BICAS 
(bicycle inter community art and salvage), which is a non-profit doing great 
community bicycle work here. She also sent an email to many of her friends here 
and I had some help coming to the event. I'd also like to thank Grant and 
Rivendell as well. I was in the Bay Area last week and visited. I bought a few 
things for the event and they, through my protests, threw in a few things as 
well. And then Grant put the homeless event on his Blahg. It makes me so 
grateful that I didn't back out. When you put yourself out there, the universe 
responds. I'll post an update for when the event gets rescheduled. Thanks all!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Pass And Stow 5 rail rack

2020-03-15 Thread Jim M.

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 4:08:30 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>
> i have a CETMA Half Rack, https://cetmacargo.com/products/cetma-halfrack, 
> you can have cheap if you want. 
>
>>
>>
Sorry for any confusion, I did not look closely at the link. I have an 
earlier version of the Halfrack, and the legs are welded not bolted, so 
it's an awkward item to ship.  If you're in the SF Bay Area and want it, 
make a $50 donation to my local food bank, 
https://give.foodbankccs.org/give/190501/#!/donation/checkout. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

“I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the flu" and then "80% of 
infected people are invisible because they are untested and asymptomatic." 
Those two statements seem to not make sense together except to say we have yet 
to understand what is happening.”

Not so hard for me to grasp. Even if 80% of infected people don’t get sick 
(which is not true), it seems totally possible that of the 20% who do get sick, 
more die from the disease. Not all diseases are the same, and this is NOT the 
flu. Ten times more deadly than the flu translates into potentially millions 
dead. 

My wife is reasonably healthy, but has chronic heart and lung issues that would 
make COVID  very difficult for her. For the sake of everyone like my wife, 
please let’s all take steps to slow the spread of the disease. 

Leaders, such as trusted clergy, can be especially helpful in setting a good 
example and spreading accurate information. 

Thanks, everyone!

–Eric N (who is maintaining social distancing on today’s coffee ride)

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
> anything might be a wise choice.
> 
>> On 3/15/20 10:09 AM, Garth wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>You have no say in the matter. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>> 
>>> Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Leah Peterson

Doug, you’re a *sweetheart* and thanks for your kind words. I am not on the 
front lines of this for now; I echo your sentiments for all the healthcare 
workers who ARE. I’ve followed the stories of some of the nurses fighting 
COID-19 in other countries and it’s demoralizing.

I hope you all are well and stay that way in the coming weeks!

Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:46 AM, DHans  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> I want to thank you and other health care workers who put themselves in harms 
> way to treat others. Your sense of humanity and selflessness is awe-inspiring 
> and certainly much appreciated. 
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread DHans

Leah,
I want to thank you and other health care workers who put themselves in harms 
way to treat others. Your sense of humanity and selflessness is awe-inspiring 
and certainly much appreciated. 
Doug

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[RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Deborah Coffin

The flu vaccine is designed to produce “herd immunity.” Those weakest and 
immune-compromised cannot take the vaccine. The rest of us get the vaccine to 
shield babies, the sick, and the elderly. The more people protected, the lower 
the spread. “The” flu isn’t always the “same” flu, which is why we have world 
health geniuses developing new vaccines to protect against the prominent strain 
that year. Sometimes they get it wrong—like a couple of years ago—and a lot of 
people get sick. Some flu strains are more virulent in the young, others in the 
elderly, others still, in mid-life. I only started getting flu shots once I 
realized that I was protecting my little grandsons and the old people at the 
retirement community where my mother lived. I’d never gotten them until I 
understood the community purpose. It will be the same in future with this 
virus. We’ll get a vaccine to bring the death rate from what it seems to be now 
(I’ve read it’s from .2-16% depending on age and health) down to levels like 
the flu.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
anything might be a wise choice.


On 3/15/20 10:09 AM, Garth wrote:



   You have no say in the matter.


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.




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[RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread Deborah Coffin

“I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the flu" and then "80% of
infected people are invisible because they are untested and asymptomatic."
Those two statements seem to not make sense together except to say we have yet
to understand what is happening.”

The issue is that people do not show SYMPTOMS for 3-12 days AFTER they have
the virus and are most infectious at the earliest stages of the illness. A
“mild” case of the virus is a two-week to month-long illness, with symptoms up
to and including pneumonia; a “moderate” case Is one that requires
hospitalization and intubation; “severe” means that other organs are involved
and survival is not assured. Once hospitals become overwhelmed with “moderate”
cases, they must make decisions about who to treat. They will treat younger
people, those with kids, politicians, the richest, (pick your category)etc.
before older people. They will have to make decisions like that. Healthcare
workers will be overwhelmed and fall sick themselves.
Because we have done so little testing, epidemiologists are projecting spread
by using China, South Korea, and Italy as models. China built a couple of
entire hospitals in 10 days to meet the need. They took draconian (by our
standards) measures. Still, they were treating people stacked in hallways and
broom closets. South Korea has far more beds per person than the US, so their
survival rate is expected to be higher than ours will be. The latest
projections are showing a conservative 420,000 will die in the US in the next
several weeks. It will spread quickly because of the 5.2-day (on average)
pre-symptomatic infectious period. Here’s my source.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World


 
   You have no say in the matter. 


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World


Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.

On 3/15/20 6:41 AM, Garth wrote:

Reminds of these few movie scene words with Uncle Jack and Tom 

"You want answers ?
.I want the Truth
You can't handle the Truth"

The Truth is The Truth is The Truth . Truth, The Whole Truth and 
nothing but Truth is Truth .
Unchallengingly  unchallengeable . Indivisibly Indivisible and 
Absolutely Absolute . One and All and All and One  .
Truth has no "room" for an "else/other/counter/contra" . Truth is 
all Full Totally True  Totally Truth.

Every Truth be True  negation negated.

Riddle me this Batman (playfully laughing) Who AM I ?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World




On 3/14/20 11:38 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Philip, as it’s been in our country for ages, we have some natural immunity to 
influenza.



Not to mention vaccines that provide acquired immunity.



  We have none to COVID-19. COVID-19 is a virus new to us,



and a vaccine is optimistically at least a year away.



with a much higher death rate than flu, and unknown long-term effects. We are 
trying “flatten the curve” so as not to cause a collapse with our healthcare 
system, and we’re already behind the 8 ball. See Italy.




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[RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

2020-03-15 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

If you're responding to me, Philip, no, I am not making any particular 
conclusion other than we don't know far more than we realize, including 
what we think we know. I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the 
flu" and then "80% of infected people are invisible because they are 
untested and asymptomatic." Those two statements seem to not make sense 
together except to say we have yet to understand what is happening. If we 
compare apples to apples in death rates, we don't yet know the parallel 
death rate because we are using "confirmed cases,"  when for every 
symptomatic person there are four asymptomatic. However, you are correct, 
that if we are this concerned about coronavirus and it's current 
progression, it sheds light on our lack of concern for the flu. 

Are we in the US systematically using everything at our disposal? No. If we 
were, we would be responding with homeopathics, which were very successful 
in treating the Spanish flu compared with allopathic (modern) medicine. We 
should be using both/and, much as Saint Mother Teresa and her sisters 
did/do. Some places around the world use both. It will be interesting to 
learn how successful homeopathy is in comparison to allopathy. For anyone 
interested, here is the homeopathic resource we use and her approach to the 
coronavirus. https://joettecalabrese.com/blog/ferocious-flu-fears/

There remain many unanswered and even unaddressed questions on the long 
term effects of immunizations. Over time (generations), do they weaken the 
immune system's ability to respond to new viruses? We don't really know, we 
are only at the multi-generational wide-spread use of them now. Are there 
other long term unintended consequences? Much like taking antibiotics has 
significant unintended consequences, so may immunizations. We simple don't 
know, and we know so little we likely don't know what we don't know.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 9:15:32 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
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> So you’re saying we should have already been taking these precautions in 
> order to have lessened the deaths from the flu last year? And in addition 
> to the flu again this year we have the corona virus? So we should double 
> down, clearly. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, Cal. 

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