date:20200609

Since these are sold I'll offer up a couple more, same price. One silver, one 
black. 

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[RBW] FS Nitto Handlebar Plugs, Silver

2020-06-09 Thread Irving

Hi david, Ill take these. let me know your preferres method of payment and 
address

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[RBW] Re: Commuter Tire for Hunq

2020-06-09 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Dave,

I presume you mean 29 (700) x 2? Have you liked your Big Bens?

You may want to be more specific in what is important to you (smooth, 
supple, or no flats ever as the two extreme examples). Folks here commute 
on Rene Hearse ELs, or the beefiest Schwalbe there is. Here is the dizzying 
array of Schalbe touring tires: 
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires

Of course, with Rene Herse's Endurence + tires, you can have better flat 
protection in a still quite supple tire.

Personally, I go with the most supple tire I can without needing to change 
more than 4 flats a year. So far that generally means 2 flats or less a 
year and the most supple tires. Now that I've written this and am 
aproaching needing to change out my rear tire I've doomed myself to a flat 
here soon. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-6, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I want to replace the 28x2 Big Ben's on my Hunq.  I use it primarily for 
> errands and commuting right now.  I was debating getting a set of Marathon 
> Supremes.  As I haven't purchased "commuter" tires in a while, I'm 
> wondering if there is something better out there.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

2020-06-09 Thread Mark Roland

Even with the same tubing and geo, a different size frame will have 
different characteristics as far as liveliness. I bought a Woodrup Giro for 
a tour of Tuscany a dozen or so years ago, all 531ST. One of the few bikes 
I ever actively disliked, felt sluggish and dead. But it was a 57cm frame, 
so naturally going to be stiffer. And the tubes are quite a bit thicker, 
with typical 531 tubeset of the day having a top tube with a .8 belly, and 
ST 1.0.

On the other hand, my 531 Ron Kitching is a superb rider. And is getting a 
long-awaited, well-deserved rebuild...soon. It will be fun!

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 5:01:01 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Yeah Ted it seems I do prefer frames that have some flex in the right 
> places. The 531ST tubes are intended for touring, slightly thicker wall 
> diameter than the regular 531. OF course I know nothing of designing bikes, 
> but thankfully the designer/builder does and he would not do something he 
> wasn't comfortable with. Tall head tube, yes, I've seen taller ! Fork flex 
> is in the blades. 
>
> In regards to the tubing, 531 seems to have a kind of PFM status... pure 
> f'n magic for their ride characteristics. 
>
> https://www.bretonbikes.com/homepage/cycling-article-blog/87-reynolds-531-tubing-the-cycle-tourists-friend
>
> My takeaway from all this is that in this case a "lively" frame will feel 
> that way with large of range of tire quality whereas a frame that isn't 
> so lively, even with specifically "supple" tires isn't going to compensate 
> for it's not so liveliness. Improve the ride, yes. 
>
> I can see how those that have both a lively frame and supple tires would 
> find it blissful !  
>
> At 165lbs or so I would have to go really low on the Bomba to get a pinch 
> flat as I naturally ride "light" over things. I have Big Ben 50 on there 
> now @25-30 psi. I'll try lowering them off the pavement and see how it 
> goes. As for other tires  man it's like pie in the sky. They all look 
> good from afar ! Ahahaha !
>
> In regards to George's mishap, I've heard him account what happened a 
> couple of times and what failed was the Trek frames carbon steering tube. 
> He was trying to land softly to the left when it was happening but since 
> the failure happened so fast he was a mere passenger. This was the early 
> days of carbon frame construction. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:15:53 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>>
>> My Bombadil has Pacenti Quasi-Moto tires. I would think any non uber 
>> stout 2 inch tire would behave much the same in this respect.
>> I have another more roadish bike with 47mm tires (wtb byway) I run at 
>> ~25psi when I want things cushy. That one does fairly well off road as well.
>> Keep in mind at 20 psi, 2 psi is 10%. Do the fat bike crowd run pressures 
>> down in the single digits?
>> My rules of thumb are: 
>>If your tires aren't soaking up bumps the way you want, lower the 
>> pressure, then lower it some more until they are. (too low may not be low 
>> enough)
>>If you start getting pinch flats in the process, get bigger tires. 
>> (got the first classic pinch flat of my life yesterday, guess I should try 
>> 28mm tires on that bike)
>>If you feel like your tires have too much rolling resistance, shop for 
>> more supple tires.
>> I think that approach can produce satisfactory results for a lot of folks 
>> without going beyond 28-33 mm tires. Despite the current popularity of 
>> "wider is better" and asking "how wide is too wide?" there can be wisdom in 
>> asking "how wide is wide enough?".
>> Typically it seems like tires are so much more compliant than even "std. 
>> diameter" thin wall tubing, that softer tires dominate wrt vertical 
>> compliance. Sounds like for you, not so much. First time for everything I 
>> suppose.
>> I expect you are aware there are folks who only like more flexible extra 
>> thin walled "standard" diameter tubed frames. Perhaps you do too. It's good 
>> to know what one likes.
>> I hope the stress levels in your fork blades are well below the fatigue 
>> limit for steel. Also that's a tall head tube, perhaps some of the flex in 
>> your fork is in the steerer tube?
>> Have you seen the video of Hincapie in Paris Roubaix sitting bolt upright 
>> with his disconnected bars in his hand as he veered into the ditch and 
>> separated his shoulder?
>>
>> I think the handling of my Bombadil is somewhat different than my other 
>> bikes, I like it a lot for riding the hills in my local open spaces. Prefer 
>> other bikes for riding on roads though.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Commuter Tire for Hunq

2020-06-09 Thread Dave Grossman

I want to replace the 28x2 Big Ben's on my Hunq.  I use it primarily for 
errands and commuting right now.  I was debating getting a set of Marathon 
Supremes.  As I haven't purchased "commuter" tires in a while, I'm 
wondering if there is something better out there.

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[RBW] Painted Appaloosa - Almost Like a New Bike Day!

2020-06-09 Thread Roberta

It's beautiful, even more so with the blue contrasts.  Your story is similar to 
mine: I went to Gravel and Grind to do one last test ride of their selection of 
bikes and expected to order a S hillborne.  I went home with a Joe Appaloosa!   
That ride is special!  Here's to many wonderful miles for you.
Roberta 

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[RBW] Re: The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

2020-06-09 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

All my bikes are as silent as I can make them. My QB with Steilacoms is 
fixed and as close to silent as a supple knobby tire can get, quieter on 
dirt/gravel and trail than the slick Rene Herse tires. My GBW 2.8" tires 
are noticeably louder below 50˚F as the rubber hardens, otherwise 
surprisingly quiet-ish for huge knobbies. In general, I've learned that a 
quiet bike is a happy bike.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
wrote:
>
> Might be a first for this topic. I was out on my All Rounder this weekend, 
> a local rail trail that has sections of pavement here and there. My current 
> set up is one speed, using a Paul Melvin matched up to an eight speed 
> cogset on an XT cassette hub out back - one of the middle cogs, (not sure 
> which) and a single TA zephyr ring up front - a 36 I think. Anyway, one of 
> the best things about biking for me, and a goal of mine in general, is to 
> ride as quietly as possible. Similar to sculling on flat water, which I 
> have done my share of, the feeling of self propulsion in total silence 
> intrigues and pleases me. 
>
> On gravel, the Rivendell makes very little sound while pedaling or not, 
> just a light crackle/hiss from the tires. (700c Big Ben's in this case) But 
> on pavement, damn if all sound doesn't evaporate entirely! I love that! 
> Granted, at 64  - and having played drums for many years in my youth - my 
> hearing is diminished somewhat to begin with. Regardless, my mission to 
> ride silently appears to be achieved. Having said that, there may be room 
> to improve. I suppose a fixed gear hub would eliminate any chance of pawl 
> noise, and smooth tires may take it down a notch too. I have a White ENO 
> flipflop hub laced to a rim that would work, so that may be my next 
> experiment. 
>
> Any other ideas for silent running are welcome. 
>
> Marty
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread Robert Tilley

I also really like the Sony RX100 but I don't believe it has the timer 
functions the OP wants. I had the original version but mine finally died due to 
poor packing on an off-road tour last year. I picked up a replacement of the 
basic version since I didn't want to spend the $$ for the upgraded model. I 
like mine enough I didn't even look at what else may be out there now when 
deciding to buy a new one.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


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I have no recommendations for you, but huge praises for being able to shed your 
cell phone. You are an inspiration Deacon!

Karl
Nash, TN

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

2020-06-09 Thread Steve Palincsar

Don't forget the rat tail file.

The drilling is easy. The measuring to get the holes in the right
places, now that takes patience and repetition. You can't measure it
all at once. You have to mount one point, measure the next, remove,
drill, install, mark the next point, remove, drill, reinstall. That's
because the mounting changes the shape.

Also, you don't want to use the stays to pull the fender into the proper
shape, like you would do with a plastic fender. You've got to alter
tthe profile of the fender by either spreading out the edges or
squeezing them together. a little bit at a time all over the curve of
the fender.

On 6/9/20 7:56 PM, Clayton Scott wrote:
Not sure if it matters, but you would not need a power drill. The
aluminum fenders are fairly soft. A hammer and punch or even sharp
nail and a hand reamer will be sufficient for the holes.

Here the a similar reamer to the one I use:
https://www.harborfreight.com/t-handle-reamer-66936.html?cid=paid_google|||66936_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=_content==CjwKCAjw5vz2BRAtEiwAbcVIL1GFqSHOzVIUOm0tyo2HBV8Hm29UvrBsIqHaIleP61p1Cb8943NAZxoCPhUQAvD_BwE

The installation process may look a bit daunting but it is a fairly
straight forward operation. There is a BQ that has a tutorial in it.
Would be happy to scan and send them to you.

Clayton Scott.

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

These are on the list to do in the near future. However, if I have
to get into metal drilling or cutting, I'm going to need to make
arrangements for someone to help/do the install.

What non-standard issues will I run into installing these:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/rene-herse-smooth-fenders-700c-for-48-52-mm-tires-h80-700c/

on a 66cm silver (final run) QB?

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-09 Thread Nate in Oakland

What a dream!!! I'm vegan, so I try not to buy new leather saddles but I 
wasn't having any luck on Ebay.  My preferred color too!  I'll DM you.

Nate

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:15:15 PM UTC-7, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> The answer is yes I have experience with both and yes you can get further 
> back (it's why I converted) on the Berthoud Aspin compared to the B17 and 
> yes I just happen to have a black Aspin for sale in excellent condition for 
> $100 shipped. What else do you want to know? 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> [image: GB Berthoud Aspin.JPG]
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:48:08 AM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hey all!  I just converted my Atlantis to drops and now I’m finding that 
>> I can’t get my trusty B17 far enough back for comfort.  I’ve been lusting 
>> after/looking for an excuse to buy a Berthoud saddle for a while, and now 
>> I’m wondering if one would fix my setback issue.  Someone out there must 
>> have experience with both! 
>>
>> Btw, I know I could get a whacky looking seat post like the one in the 
>> Blahg, but would rather not! 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Nate
>
>

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[RBW] The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

2020-06-09 Thread Tom Palmer

Hi Marty,
I share your appreciation for silent propulsion. My current silent meditative 
steed is an early 70’s FUJI Finest fixed gear with Conti Speed Ride tires. 
Unfortunately just today they sprayed many of my roads with tar and stones to 
extend the life. It will be very difficult to be silent until the stones settle 
into the tar and the loose stones are forced off the road. I also second night 
riding in the country. Very calming and exhilarating. 
I am intrigued by belt drive also, but fixed is already silent. 

Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI USA

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread Karl

I have no recommendations for you, but huge praises for being able to shed your 
cell phone. You are an inspiration Deacon! 

Karl
Nash, TN

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-09 Thread R Shannon

To Bruce's point, the Charlie Gallop looks more refined and will have a
ride to match. Love Charlie's graceful fork.

Abe, thanks for the visual comparisons.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:47 PM bruce.herbit...@gmail.com <
bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually
> made more cheaply and at a lower price point.
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell <
> bdcampbel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> VO is offering something similar:
>
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html
>
> Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

Garth, I'm not qualified to address the "springiness" factor of the Susie from 
one trip around the building, but it was definitely floaty and fun! Fat tires 
do neat stuff, too. 

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

2020-06-09 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

I have fenders on my QB. For me, a clean fender line in the back was more 
important that the ease of installing the rear wheel. I need to let the air out 
to get the wheel out (not a problem if it’s flat already) and in. Once it’s in, 
I air it up.

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> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> You should have a kickstand plate to screw into at front/bottom so that's the 
> first drilled hole. Then mount it at the brake bridge, does this model have a 
> fender braze-on there? If so that's your next drilling spot, or slide a clip 
> on. The only thing to worry about after that is to keep the fender stays long 
> enough that the fender will kinda stick out in the back, to clear sliding the 
> wheel out. 
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

2020-06-09 Thread Clayton Scott

Not sure if it matters, but you would not need a power drill. The aluminum 
fenders are fairly soft. A hammer and punch or even sharp nail and a hand 
reamer will be sufficient for the holes. 

Here the a similar reamer to the one I use: 
https://www.harborfreight.com/t-handle-reamer-66936.html?cid=paid_google|||66936_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=_content==CjwKCAjw5vz2BRAtEiwAbcVIL1GFqSHOzVIUOm0tyo2HBV8Hm29UvrBsIqHaIleP61p1Cb8943NAZxoCPhUQAvD_BwE

The installation process may look a bit daunting but it is a fairly 
straight forward operation. There is a BQ that has a tutorial in it. Would 
be happy to scan and send them to you.

Clayton Scott.




On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> These are on the list to do in the near future. However, if I have to get 
> into metal drilling or cutting, I'm going to need to make arrangements for 
> someone to help/do the install.
>
> What non-standard issues will I run into installing these:
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/rene-herse-smooth-fenders-700c-for-48-52-mm-tires-h80-700c/
> on a 66cm silver (final run) QB?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

Buzzy bees!  

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

Hehe, I hear ya Patrick. I technically know HOW to do it, but getting me to the 
goal is a whole 'nother kettle of monkeys or whatever the phrase is. My Frank 
Jones has new fenders still safely in the packaging 

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

2020-06-09 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Thank you, Jason and Joe. So, above my pay grade. I'll make other 
arrangements.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

2020-06-09 Thread Steve Palincsar

Don't have a White Industries MI5 rear hub, and if you do NEVER coast.

On 6/9/20 6:18 PM, Craig Montgomery wrote:

Ride at night in the middle of nowhere.

Craig in Tucson

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:12:58 PM UTC-7, Marty Gierke,
Stewartstown PA wrote:

Might be a first for this topic. I was out on my All Rounder this
weekend, a local rail trail that has sections of pavement here and
there. My current set up is one speed, using a Paul Melvin matched
up to an eight speed cogset on an XT cassette hub out back - one
of the middle cogs, (not sure which) and a single TA zephyr ring
up front - a 36 I think. Anyway, one of the best things about
biking for me, and a goal of mine in general, is to ride as
quietly as possible. Similar to sculling on flat water, which I
have done my share of, the feeling of self propulsion in total
silence intrigues and pleases me.

On gravel, the Rivendell makes very little sound while pedaling or
not, just a light crackle/hiss from the tires. (700c Big Ben's in
this case) But on pavement, damn if all sound doesn't evaporate
entirely! I love that! Granted, at 64 - and having played drums
for many years in my youth - my hearing is diminished somewhat to
begin with. Regardless, my mission to ride silently appears to be
achieved. Having said that, there may be room to improve. I
suppose a fixed gear hub would eliminate any chance of pawl noise,
and smooth tires may take it down a notch too. I have a White ENO
flipflop hub laced to a rim that would work, so that may be my
next experiment.

Any other ideas for silent running are welcome.

Marty

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-09 Thread Leah Peterson

I 100%, wholeheartedly agree, DP. Truly. The thing about a bike becoming dear 
is that it gets that way because you have a long-term relationship with it. I 
rode the Betty from 2012-2020. And for all but the last 8 months of its 
existence, it was my ONLY bike. It was like an extension of me and we covered a 
lot of time and territory together. The Betty saw me through the kid-hauling 
years and the school-age years and our many cross-country road trips home. It 
carried my dog in the front basket until that very dog died July 2019. That 
Betty never imagined it would be upstaged by a comfortable Clem, but it was, 
and I find myself starting over. 

I’ve got a LOT of miles on my Clementine now, but new parts means I’m still 
getting acquainted with it. We get along great, the two of us, and I don’t see 
myself changing anything else unless it’s to lighten some parts when the old 
ones wear out. I have come to find I really like “light” where I can get it on 
a steel frame, even though that is not a popular opinion here. But the goal is 
to feel about it as I did its predecessor, which is as if the bike was made for 
me. And I think I’m nearly there.

Doug - I ride an average of 10 miles per day. That’s way, way up from my bike 
commuting days. I used to ride with the boys to school and back, so only 4 
miles. But now I ride all the time, whenever I can. “Are you going out on your 
two-wheeler?” my husband will ask. “Heading out on the old dusty trail?” 藍 He’s 
accepted this is just part of our life now. Sometimes he tags along on his 
ebike and embarasses me with his portable speaker and unfortunate choice of 
music. When you’re that comfortable on a bike, you can just keep going. 

One funny story...I’ve shared on this List that I’ve evolved from Bicycle Belle 
to Lone Wolf Leah. We were riding our bikes on a cool Saturday morning when we 
encountered a group of about 20 roadies pulled over and chatting. All their 
heads followed us as we went by. You’ve seen what I’ve got going on...Oakley 
robot glasses like theirs, steel frame nothing like theirs, goofy polka dot 
helmet, basket in front, colors sparking from the wheels... My husband (who 
anyone can look at and know EXACTLY where he fits in the velotaxonomy) looked 
at me and said, “I don’t think they know what to make of you.” 

Lone Wolf Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 2:14 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Och! Leah, we have such very different definitions of "heat" and "reprieve 
> from the heat." Grin. It is a delightful feeling to sustain, and even deepen, 
> the joy of changes to a bike as the days and rides pass and you settle in 
> with it being the bike rather than the new bike. Grin. Keep on enjoying all 
> that cool weather, er, in the evenings with your light Clementine with a 
> light!
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
>> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> I continue to be in raptures over my “new” bike. Here is my NLC in the 
>> evening sun on our 13 miler tonight. It was only 79 and breezy today in Las 
>> Vegas. A reprieve from the heat is always welcome in my book. 
>> 
>> The sun caught the colors well. No filters.
>> Lone Wolf Leah
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Brian Campbell  wrote:

>>> 
>>> Awesome bike! Glad everything worked out and you are getting to enjoy you 
>>> Clem even more!
>>> 
 On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
 Strange Magic
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

I remember Doug ! The wondrous days of walking into the shop and seeing the 
magical SunTour board filled with cogs, bodies spacers and micro spacers... and 
the charts. I still have a couple of those customs as well as some other stock 
ST freewheels I've kept since the 80's. I do love that distinct sound of them 
freewheeling. 

I so wish some company would make bike parts that were timeless, so to speak. 
Imagine still being able to get all those great parts from the 70's,80's and 
90's today. Enduring Durables !




I found fotos of the HG500 cassette back sides btw, they have flush rivets that 
will require some drillin'. Too bad Sunrace doesn't make cassettes that use 
even numbered cogs as their non-spider cassettes use a single easy to remove 
torx bolt to hold them together. 

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

You should have a kickstand plate to screw into at front/bottom so that's the 
first drilled hole. Then mount it at the brake bridge, does this model have a 
fender braze-on there? If so that's your next drilling spot, or slide a clip 
on. The only thing to worry about after that is to keep the fender stays long 
enough that the fender will kinda stick out in the back, to clear sliding the 
wheel out. 

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[RBW] Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-09 Thread True Golden

What a great looking Appaloosa!Congrats Roberta.
The etching on the crank arm looks very cool.
If I could order a Riv the Appaloosa appeals to me most at this time.
Enjoy.
Paul in Dallas 
P.S.
I have a new in box, much lesser,  much cheaper dyno hubbed wheel setting in my 
closet for a  couple years now that I have never mounted on a bike.
Perhaps time to get it rolling on one of my 5 bikes.

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-09 Thread Doug Hansford

Next Level Clementine is such a nice name for your bicycle. I think 
changing out parts, components, wheels and tires does make every bike 
unique. I did that on my BMX bike as a kid and still do that to my bikes. 
Racks, bags and bells..oh my! Leah you seem to be riding daily and upping 
your mileage? I like to ride at least a few miles a day and take some 
longish rides on the weekends. Happy trails.
Doug Hansford
Watkinsville, GA

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 5:02:27 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>
> Thanks, Joe. I do so love it. I never get tired of color, I suppose. And I 
> love the idea of having a Clem different from everyone else’s. Let’s see if 
> I can pull off the same for the upcoming Platypus.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-09 Thread bruce.herbit...@gmail.com

 VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually made 
more cheaply and at a lower price point.
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell 
 wrote:  
 
 VO is offering something similar:
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html

Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

2020-06-09 Thread J L

Patrick,

The fenders need to be drilled before mounting.

Jason

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 3:26 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> These are on the list to do in the near future. However, if I have to get 
> into metal drilling or cutting, I'm going to need to make arrangements for 
> someone to help/do the install.
> 
> What non-standard issues will I run into installing these:
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/rene-herse-smooth-fenders-700c-for-48-52-mm-tires-h80-700c/
> on a 66cm silver (final run) QB?
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

2020-06-09 Thread dougP

*":Assuming it works out as planned the next step is to start designing my 
cog board"*

Raise your hand if you remember cog boards.  It's not always been cassettes.

dougP

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:23:51 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I thought my idea was such a good one that I did in fact order three of 
> each from Nashbar.  That's a calculated risk because I am not 100% certain 
> that the HG500 is disassemble-able.  
>
> Assuming it works out as planned the next step is to start designing my 
> cog board
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:09:15 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> At Nashbar you can buy the 11-32 for a dollar cheaper ($35.99)  -  LINK 
>> 
>> And you can buy the 12-28 for $29.99 - LINK 
>> 
>>
>> Between those two cogsets you have every Shimano 10 speed cog covered 
>> from 11 to 23 teeth.  
>>
>> Buy three of each and this would be your 10 speed shimano cog board:
>>
>> 3 x 11T first position 
>> 3 x 12T first position
>> 3 x 12T second position
>> 3 x 13T second position
>> 6 x 14T 
>> 3 x 15T
>> 3 x 16T
>> 3 x 17T
>> 3 x 18T
>> 3 x 19T
>> 3 x 20T
>> 3 x 21T
>> 3 x 22T
>> 3 x 23T
>> 6 x 25T
>> 6 x 28T
>> 3 x 32T
>>
>> That would be a total of 60 cogs, for under $200.  If you were to sell a 
>> few 28T and all the 32s to your friends for $5 apiece, and use the 11T's as 
>> christmas ornaments, you could be down to under $150 invested.  Assuming 
>> you have the 13/14 situation covered, then you could have your ideal 13-25 
>> 10sp, plus an essentially effortless exchange of a 20 for a 28 as a 
>> hillclimber event setup.  You could even run a 14-23 10 speed straight 
>> block if you so choose, or a 13-22, or a 12-21.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:14:08 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, the HG500 looks like a good option at about $6 per 10 sp cog. 
>>> I'm near to buying -- something. Report at 10.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 5:17 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 I did a little bit of internet research since Patrick Moore sometimes 
 struggles with this.  I also put my hands on some of my own stock.  I have 
 the following items to report:

 I own a brand new SRAM PG950 cassette in 11-34.  It disassembles into 
 individual cogs and the 11-34 includes a 20.  I disassembled mine to 
 confirm it.  You can sometimes find a PG950 for as little as $20.  Here is 
 a link to the SRAM page that lists all the cogs.  My guess is Patrick 
 Moore 
 would use at most 3 of the 9 cogs, so it might be too expensive for him:

 https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/CS-PG-950-A1

 I own several Deore XT 10 speed 11-32 cassettes.  There are two 
 carriers, with three cogs each.  The smaller of the two carriers has a 
 18-20-22, permanently and inextricably attached to a carrier.  Even though 
 Patrick Moore needs a 20 and a 22, I suspect he cannot stomach the jump 
 from 18 to 20.  The four remaining loose cogs would be 11, 12, 14 and 16, 
 so Patrick Moore could possibly get 5 usable cogs out of a $50 cassette.  

 I researched the cheap Shimano HG-500 10 speed cassette.  I am 95% sure 
 it can be completely disassembled into individual cogs, and it costs $37 
 at 
 Jenson USA.  The full cog progression is:11-12-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32

 I recommend you put your hands on a 10-speed HG500 and confirm you can 
 either unscrew a pin or grind off a rivet to get the cogs apart.  If you 
 can, then you could get a bunch of matched 10-speed spacers plus as many 
 as 
 6 great cogs all for $37.  Once you confirm that you can take it apart, 
 you 
 should buy 4 of them.  

 Here is the Jenson USA link:  
 https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-HG-500-10-Speed-Cassette

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito CA

 On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 12:50:11 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've been beating my head against the supply chain, vendor stockage, 
> and data-dearth obstacles to finding 10 speed cassettes without spiders 
> with a 20 t middle and 25 t outer, or 13-20 + 22 and 25 10 sp loose cogs, 
> so at least for now the strategy is to stick with 9 (14-25 instead of 
> 13-25) so that I can use 9, 8, 7, or even Uniglide cogs to build my 
> cassettes -- (13)-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-25. 
>
> Friendly listers have suggested eBay, Spanish, US, and British 
> sources, but neither cassettes nor all cogs are available.
>
> I can find dozens of 14 thru19 cogs; 20s and 22s and 25s are less 
> common.
>
> Point: If you have 20s or 22s or 25s to sell, please advice. (Need not 
> be new, but must be little worn.)
>
> I will

[RBW] Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

2020-06-09 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

These are on the list to do in the near future. However, if I have to get into 
metal drilling or cutting, I'm going to need to make arrangements for someone 
to help/do the install.

What non-standard issues will I run into installing these:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/rene-herse-smooth-fenders-700c-for-48-52-mm-tires-h80-700c/
on a 66cm silver (final run) QB?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

I thought my idea was such a good one that I did in fact order three of 
each from Nashbar.  That's a calculated risk because I am not 100% certain 
that the HG500 is disassemble-able.  

Assuming it works out as planned the next step is to start designing my cog 
board

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:09:15 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> At Nashbar you can buy the 11-32 for a dollar cheaper ($35.99)  -  LINK 
> 
> And you can buy the 12-28 for $29.99 - LINK 
> 
>
> Between those two cogsets you have every Shimano 10 speed cog covered from 
> 11 to 23 teeth.  
>
> Buy three of each and this would be your 10 speed shimano cog board:
>
> 3 x 11T first position 
> 3 x 12T first position
> 3 x 12T second position
> 3 x 13T second position
> 6 x 14T 
> 3 x 15T
> 3 x 16T
> 3 x 17T
> 3 x 18T
> 3 x 19T
> 3 x 20T
> 3 x 21T
> 3 x 22T
> 3 x 23T
> 6 x 25T
> 6 x 28T
> 3 x 32T
>
> That would be a total of 60 cogs, for under $200.  If you were to sell a 
> few 28T and all the 32s to your friends for $5 apiece, and use the 11T's as 
> christmas ornaments, you could be down to under $150 invested.  Assuming 
> you have the 13/14 situation covered, then you could have your ideal 13-25 
> 10sp, plus an essentially effortless exchange of a 20 for a 28 as a 
> hillclimber event setup.  You could even run a 14-23 10 speed straight 
> block if you so choose, or a 13-22, or a 12-21.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:14:08 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, the HG500 looks like a good option at about $6 per 10 sp cog. I'm 
>> near to buying -- something. Report at 10.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 5:17 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> I did a little bit of internet research since Patrick Moore sometimes 
>>> struggles with this.  I also put my hands on some of my own stock.  I have 
>>> the following items to report:
>>>
>>> I own a brand new SRAM PG950 cassette in 11-34.  It disassembles into 
>>> individual cogs and the 11-34 includes a 20.  I disassembled mine to 
>>> confirm it.  You can sometimes find a PG950 for as little as $20.  Here is 
>>> a link to the SRAM page that lists all the cogs.  My guess is Patrick Moore 
>>> would use at most 3 of the 9 cogs, so it might be too expensive for him:
>>>
>>> https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/CS-PG-950-A1
>>>
>>> I own several Deore XT 10 speed 11-32 cassettes.  There are two 
>>> carriers, with three cogs each.  The smaller of the two carriers has a 
>>> 18-20-22, permanently and inextricably attached to a carrier.  Even though 
>>> Patrick Moore needs a 20 and a 22, I suspect he cannot stomach the jump 
>>> from 18 to 20.  The four remaining loose cogs would be 11, 12, 14 and 16, 
>>> so Patrick Moore could possibly get 5 usable cogs out of a $50 cassette.  
>>>
>>> I researched the cheap Shimano HG-500 10 speed cassette.  I am 95% sure 
>>> it can be completely disassembled into individual cogs, and it costs $37 at 
>>> Jenson USA.  The full cog progression is:11-12-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32
>>>
>>> I recommend you put your hands on a 10-speed HG500 and confirm you can 
>>> either unscrew a pin or grind off a rivet to get the cogs apart.  If you 
>>> can, then you could get a bunch of matched 10-speed spacers plus as many as 
>>> 6 great cogs all for $37.  Once you confirm that you can take it apart, you 
>>> should buy 4 of them.  
>>>
>>> Here is the Jenson USA link:  
>>> https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-HG-500-10-Speed-Cassette
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 12:50:11 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I've been beating my head against the supply chain, vendor stockage, 
 and data-dearth obstacles to finding 10 speed cassettes without spiders 
 with a 20 t middle and 25 t outer, or 13-20 + 22 and 25 10 sp loose cogs, 
 so at least for now the strategy is to stick with 9 (14-25 instead of 
 13-25) so that I can use 9, 8, 7, or even Uniglide cogs to build my 
 cassettes -- (13)-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-25. 

 Friendly listers have suggested eBay, Spanish, US, and British sources, 
 but neither cassettes nor all cogs are available.

 I can find dozens of 14 thru19 cogs; 20s and 22s and 25s are less 
 common.

 Point: If you have 20s or 22s or 25s to sell, please advice. (Need not 
 be new, but must be little worn.)

 I will also buy any 13 t outermost or 14 t outermost that you have for 
 sale.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

Thanks Conway . ... laughing at myself ! 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 6:17:35 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
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> Wolf Tooth Components
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
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>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 4:58 PM Garth > wrote:
>
>>
>> Extra long b-screws is something I've not needed but likely will in the 
>> future so it helps me. What does WTC stand for ? 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 4:42:52 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm making an effort to contribute as much as I sell on the list.  
>>> Asking questions that I have hopefully will help enlighten others.
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[RBW] Re: The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

2020-06-09 Thread Craig Montgomery

Ride at night in the middle of nowhere. 

Craig in Tucson

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:12:58 PM UTC-7, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:
>
> Might be a first for this topic. I was out on my All Rounder this weekend, 
> a local rail trail that has sections of pavement here and there. My current 
> set up is one speed, using a Paul Melvin matched up to an eight speed 
> cogset on an XT cassette hub out back - one of the middle cogs, (not sure 
> which) and a single TA zephyr ring up front - a 36 I think. Anyway, one of 
> the best things about biking for me, and a goal of mine in general, is to 
> ride as quietly as possible. Similar to sculling on flat water, which I 
> have done my share of, the feeling of self propulsion in total silence 
> intrigues and pleases me. 
>
> On gravel, the Rivendell makes very little sound while pedaling or not, 
> just a light crackle/hiss from the tires. (700c Big Ben's in this case) But 
> on pavement, damn if all sound doesn't evaporate entirely! I love that! 
> Granted, at 64  - and having played drums for many years in my youth - my 
> hearing is diminished somewhat to begin with. Regardless, my mission to 
> ride silently appears to be achieved. Having said that, there may be room 
> to improve. I suppose a fixed gear hub would eliminate any chance of pawl 
> noise, and smooth tires may take it down a notch too. I have a White ENO 
> flipflop hub laced to a rim that would work, so that may be my next 
> experiment. 
>
> Any other ideas for silent running are welcome. 
>
> Marty
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

2020-06-09 Thread Conway Bennett

Wolf Tooth Components


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 4:58 PM Garth  wrote:

>
> Extra long b-screws is something I've not needed but likely will in the
> future so it helps me. What does WTC stand for ?
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 4:42:52 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
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>> questions that I have hopefully will help enlighten others.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-09 Thread Craig Montgomery

The answer is yes I have experience with both and yes you can get further 
back (it's why I converted) on the Berthoud Aspin compared to the B17 and 
yes I just happen to have a black Aspin for sale in excellent condition for 
$100 shipped. What else do you want to know? 

Craig in Tucson

[image: GB Berthoud Aspin.JPG]


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:48:08 AM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey all!  I just converted my Atlantis to drops and now I’m finding that I 
> can’t get my trusty B17 far enough back for comfort.  I’ve been lusting 
> after/looking for an excuse to buy a Berthoud saddle for a while, and now 
> I’m wondering if one would fix my setback issue.  Someone out there must 
> have experience with both! 
>
> Btw, I know I could get a whacky looking seat post like the one in the 
> Blahg, but would rather not! 
>
> Thanks, 
> Nate

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws


Extra long b-screws is something I've not needed but likely will in the 
future so it helps me. What does WTC stand for ? 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Painted Appaloosa - Almost Like a New Bike Day!

2020-06-09 Thread Ray Evans

I have NEVER wanted an orange bike. I do now! That is one beautiful bike in
the Napa sunshine!

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> You can't spell APPROVE without the APP from APPALOOSA
>
> APPROVE
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:58:05 PM UTC-7, Litho wrote:
>>
>> I just picked up my freshly painted Appaloosa from Rick at D Cycles
>> yesterday and spent the evening getting it all back together.  Rick did a
>> fantastic job!  It's s damn pretty.  I've wanted an orange bike for
>> going on 30 years, but every time I go to purchase an orange one, something
>> else presents itself.  This time, I took matters into my own hands and had
>> my lovely Appaloosa converted to the color of my dreams.  I bought this
>> bike the day I went to Riv intent on purchasing an orange Hillborne.  After
>> talking to Vince about the riding I was planning on doing, he suggested I
>> take the Appaloosa for a spin.  He was right and I opted for the right bike
>> over the right color.
>>
>> The orange is little brighter than the recent orange Appaloosa (having
>> seen it in person) and is exactly what I've wanted.  I think I'm going to
>> swap out the brown saddle for the black one on my Atlantis.  I took it out
>> for a spin around the Napa Valley this morning and thought I'd share some
>> pictures.
>>
>> [image: Appaloosa_03.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Appaloosa_07.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Appaloosa_06.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Appaloosa_04.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Appaloosa_05.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Painted Appaloosa - Almost Like a New Bike Day!

You can't spell APPROVE without the APP from APPALOOSA

APPROVE

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:58:05 PM UTC-7, Litho wrote:
>
> I just picked up my freshly painted Appaloosa from Rick at D Cycles 
> yesterday and spent the evening getting it all back together.  Rick did a 
> fantastic job!  It's s damn pretty.  I've wanted an orange bike for 
> going on 30 years, but every time I go to purchase an orange one, something 
> else presents itself.  This time, I took matters into my own hands and had 
> my lovely Appaloosa converted to the color of my dreams.  I bought this 
> bike the day I went to Riv intent on purchasing an orange Hillborne.  After 
> talking to Vince about the riding I was planning on doing, he suggested I 
> take the Appaloosa for a spin.  He was right and I opted for the right bike 
> over the right color.   
>
> The orange is little brighter than the recent orange Appaloosa (having 
> seen it in person) and is exactly what I've wanted.  I think I'm going to 
> swap out the brown saddle for the black one on my Atlantis.  I took it out 
> for a spin around the Napa Valley this morning and thought I'd share some 
> pictures. 
>
> [image: Appaloosa_03.jpg]
>
> [image: Appaloosa_07.jpg]
>
> [image: Appaloosa_06.jpg]
>
> [image: Appaloosa_04.jpg]
>
> [image: Appaloosa_05.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Painted Appaloosa - Almost Like a New Bike Day!

2020-06-09 Thread Will Ashe



This color is pretty similar to my new-to-me MUSA Homer. Enjoy the fresh 
> paint!
>

Will in Austin 

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-09 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Och! Leah, we have such very different definitions of "heat" and "reprieve 
from the heat." Grin. It is a delightful feeling to sustain, and even 
deepen, the joy of changes to a bike as the days and rides pass and you 
settle in with it being the bike rather than the new bike. Grin. Keep on 
enjoying all that cool weather, er, in the evenings with your light 
Clementine with a light!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I continue to be in raptures over my “new” bike. Here is my NLC in the 
> evening sun on our 13 miler tonight. It was only 79 and breezy today in Las 
> Vegas. A reprieve from the heat is always welcome in my book. 
>
> The sun caught the colors well. No filters.
> Lone Wolf Leah
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Brian Campbell  > wrote:
>
> 
> Awesome bike! Glad everything worked out and you are getting to enjoy you 
> Clem even more!
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Strange Magic
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Re: [RBW] Painted Appaloosa - Almost Like a New Bike Day!

2020-06-09 Thread James Valiensi

Orange is the fastest color...

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Litho  wrote:
> 
> I just picked up my freshly painted Appaloosa from Rick at D Cycles 
> yesterday and spent the evening getting it all back together.  Rick did a 
> fantastic job!  It's s damn pretty.  I've wanted an orange bike for going 
> on 30 years, but every time I go to purchase an orange one, something else 
> presents itself.  This time, I took matters into my own hands and had my 
> lovely Appaloosa converted to the color of my dreams.  I bought this bike the 
> day I went to Riv intent on purchasing an orange Hillborne.  After talking to 
> Vince about the riding I was planning on doing, he suggested I take the 
> Appaloosa for a spin.  He was right and I opted for the right bike over the 
> right color.   
> 
> The orange is little brighter than the recent orange Appaloosa (having seen 
> it in person) and is exactly what I've wanted.  I think I'm going to swap out 
> the brown saddle for the black one on my Atlantis.  I took it out for a spin 
> around the Napa Valley this morning and thought I'd share some pictures. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-09 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Thanks, Joe. I do so love it. I never get tired of color, I suppose. And I love 
the idea of having a Clem different from everyone else’s. Let’s see if I can 
pull off the same for the upcoming Platypus.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

2020-06-09 Thread Conway Bennett

I'm making an effort to contribute as much as I sell on the list.  Asking 
questions that I have hopefully will help enlighten others.

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[RBW] LF 55cm Roadini

LF is "looking for." If you have what she's looking for you can offer it up. 

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[RBW] LF 55cm Roadini

2020-06-09 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Also just learned of the following google group list:

BOBishBikesFS

Good luck!

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[RBW] WTB 120 mm OL 32 hole silver fixed/fixed or fixed/free hub

2020-06-09 Thread Patrick Moore

In new or vg condition, sufficient bearing seals for road use in dust and
occasional rain, QR preferred but allen bolt or nutted considered.

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[RBW] LF 55cm Roadini

2020-06-09 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

WTB?
What is your price point and location?  Looking for Local pick up delivery or 
are you willing to ship ($100-150).

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] June Snow: Callooh! Callay!

2020-06-09 Thread ANDREW ERMAN

Beautiful!  Thank you for sharin and lifting my day

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> What a wondrous gift to wake up to!
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/june-snow-callooh-callay
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> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] June Snow: Callooh! Callay!

2020-06-09 Thread 'richard sulkes' via RBW Owners Bunch

What a wondrous gift that you shared with us. Thank you!


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad


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What a wondrous gift to wake up to!
https://deaconpatrick.org/june-snow-callooh-callay

With abandon,Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

2020-06-09 Thread Matthew Pendergraft

Agreed!
This:
"FWIW, a long cage 9 speed deore rear derailleur will shift at least up to
a 42t cog with the stock b screw full tightened."
to me is a nugget of info.
Thank you forum-ing!

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[RBW] June Snow: Callooh! Callay!

2020-06-09 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

What a wondrous gift to wake up to!

https://deaconpatrick.org/june-snow-callooh-callay

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Great info, lads and lassies! Thank you!

I'm delighted to hear fans for the mirrorless system. Today's ride in 3" of 
snow, with clumps and powder blowing off the trees as I took photos, 
reminded me of the experiment this is. To get weatherproof mirrorless is 
pricy, so my choice to go with the Olympus trailing edge tech in the hope 
it works, but also with an eye on an adventure camera (yeah, that's a thing 
.. weren't all cameras adventure cameras back in the day? Sardonic grin.): 
Olympus Tough TG 6. Time will tell.

On the tripod side, I was delighted to find that Velbon still makes them, 
still in aluminum, and basically the same as I used for years but somehow 
misplaced. My GorillaPod fell apart to the point of unusable: the plethora 
of ball and socket joints just doesn't hold up to abuse well.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:49:31 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread 'hobie' via RBW Owners Bunch

I have been shooting for almost 45 years. I worked with the best as an 
assitant NYC from 85/95. My camera of choice was the Pentax 6x7. A beast to 
lug around. I briefly had the Pentax 645. Worked and loved the Hasselblad 
but very costly. I used almost all makes and models as an assistant. Most 
photogs back then used Hasselblad in the studio, Nikon on location. Nikon 
was my first camera at the age of 15. Great company. I stopped shooting 
seriously when film just about died. 2005? Digital was very expensive for a 
quality system and didn't have what I wanted in a camera. A simple, manual 
version of a film camera. Around 3 years ago I started shooting again. 
Prices had really come down on good camera so I tried the Nikon 1 V1 and a 
few lenes. No regrets on this excellent mirrorless small sensor camera. I 
have since sold that system and moved on to the Nikon full frame Z6. The V1 
is a great value compact system although no longer made.. Nikon also has 
free software for their users. I've attached my pinterest page. A lot the 
images shot I used the Nikon V1. Good luck. There are so many great cameras 
now.  https://www.pinterest.com/travelgears3/nyc/ 

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>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>

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[RBW] WTB: Chris King 1" headset misc. bits

2020-06-09 Thread Joe Bunik

Hi gang,

Stirring the pot a little bit with some of my project frames/forks and
was wondering if any of you might be able to assist me with a few
small Chris King headset bits.

Any of these could help facilitate a fork-swap scenario I am
contemplating, and all involve 1" steerers, FWIW.

1) *SILVER* 1" threadless upper race, and (if you have one) the proper
top-cap for fitting to a 1" fork (1-1/8" have a lip + oversize O.D. /
also don't play well with 1" spacers).

and/or,

2) *BLACK* 1" threaded (2Nut) upper race and the matching top lock-nut.

alternatively,

3) Silver (or any color...), 1" threaded *GRIP-NUT* headset, complete.

4) Chris King 1" crown race.

Thanks!!!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

Belt drive. I had one on a singlespeed coaster-brake Dahon folder. Under power 
(no pawls ratcheting) that thing on its skinny slick tires was utterly SILENT.  

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[RBW] LF 55cm Roadini

2020-06-09 Thread Carla Waugh

Looking for a Roadini or anything similar in a 55 or 56cm that's close to a 
road bike. I would need a complete bike. Email me off list please.

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[RBW] The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

2020-06-09 Thread Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA

Might be a first for this topic. I was out on my All Rounder this weekend,
a local rail trail that has sections of pavement here and there. My current
set up is one speed, using a Paul Melvin matched up to an eight speed
cogset on an XT cassette hub out back - one of the middle cogs, (not sure
which) and a single TA zephyr ring up front - a 36 I think. Anyway, one of
the best things about biking for me, and a goal of mine in general, is to
ride as quietly as possible. Similar to sculling on flat water, which I
have done my share of, the feeling of self propulsion in total silence
intrigues and pleases me.

On gravel, the Rivendell makes very little sound while pedaling or not,
just a light crackle/hiss from the tires. (700c Big Ben's in this case) But
on pavement, damn if all sound doesn't evaporate entirely! I love that!
Granted, at 64 - and having played drums for many years in my youth - my
hearing is diminished somewhat to begin with. Regardless, my mission to
ride silently appears to be achieved. Having said that, there may be room
to improve. I suppose a fixed gear hub would eliminate any chance of pawl
noise, and smooth tires may take it down a notch too. I have a White ENO
flipflop hub laced to a rim that would work, so that may be my next
experiment.

Any other ideas for silent running are welcome.

Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

Dove was cool, too. 

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

That Polyvalent Low-Kicker is a great looking bike, in my opinion.  I think 
it illustrates how much better the Gallop may look with drop bars closer to 
level with the saddle.  Some of you think a bike looks weird when a tube 
curves.  Some of you don't like gaps that are bigger than you are used to.  
Some don't like to see drop bars way above the saddle (or way below). 

I'll give both machines (Gallup and Polyvalent low-kicker) a serious look 
when their respective Geo charts come out.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 11:09:22 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> VO is offering something similar:
>
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html
>
> Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

One of the things I especially love about it is it's so NOT a thing I would 
have thought of for a Riv. Rivs have a certain look to my eye and that's just 
the way it's always been, you can't put orange and red and rainbow spoke 
nipples on them THAT'S CRAZY! But our Bicycle Belle (and Analog) did the deed 
and it's SPECTACULAR 

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires


I agree Jason . such Omniscience is "not my department" so to speak !  
I'm "hoping" that the much longer stays and front end of the Susie exhibits 
some sort of magic carpet float. It should in "theory" but yeah they said 
the same thing about the Titanic and icebergs didn't they ! 


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:05:34 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Funny, I've been wondering the same sort of thing with my Hillborne. In 
> the dozens of bikes I've owned over the years, none have had this magical 
> ability to just gingerly float over everything like the Hillborne.  I had 
> the exact same build (incl wheels and tires) on a Soma Grand Randonneur 
> previous to the Sam, and while that bike rode nicely, it did not have this 
> quality. My Clem, despite much larger tires, does not have this 
> quality--and both have nearly identical CS lengths (455 vs. 460). 
>
> The only thing left that it could be are the seat stays, but it's hard to 
> imagine that they're doing this much. It has to be a culmination of a bunch 
> of small contributors, I expect. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-09 Thread Brian Campbell

VO is offering something similar:

https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html

Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Fuller

Funny, I've been wondering the same sort of thing with my Hillborne. In the 
dozens of bikes I've owned over the years, none have had this magical 
ability to just gingerly float over everything like the Hillborne.  I had 
the exact same build (incl wheels and tires) on a Soma Grand Randonneur 
previous to the Sam, and while that bike rode nicely, it did not have this 
quality. My Clem, despite much larger tires, does not have this 
quality--and both have nearly identical CS lengths (455 vs. 460). 

The only thing left that it could be are the seat stays, but it's hard to 
imagine that they're doing this much. It has to be a culmination of a bunch 
of small contributors, I expect. 

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[RBW] Re: FS- 53cm Atlantis with s couplers (26” wheels)

2020-06-09 Thread Kent Peterson -- Eugene, Oregon

I'm not in the market, but I am amazed this is still here. Damn nice bike, 
it's gotta be perfect for somebody.

Kent "really I'm not a marketing shill!" Peterson
Eugene, OR USA

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>
> Bump!
> Seriously make a best price offer shipped.  Just want this going to 
> someone who will ride an uniquely perfect touring machine.
> All money for the sale of this bike will be repurposed to RBW.
> FFHS wheelset sale possible if someone has a full build of parts already 
> in their possession.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

2020-06-09 Thread ted

My Bombadil has Pacenti Quasi-Moto tires. I would think any non uber stout 
2 inch tire would behave much the same in this respect.
I have another more roadish bike with 47mm tires (wtb byway) I run at 
~25psi when I want things cushy. That one does fairly well off road as well.
Keep in mind at 20 psi, 2 psi is 10%. Do the fat bike crowd run pressures 
down in the single digits?
My rules of thumb are: 
   If your tires aren't soaking up bumps the way you want, lower the 
pressure, then lower it some more until they are. (too low may not be low 
enough)
   If you start getting pinch flats in the process, get bigger tires. (got 
the first classic pinch flat of my life yesterday, guess I should try 28mm 
tires on that bike)
   If you feel like your tires have too much rolling resistance, shop for 
more supple tires.
I think that approach can produce satisfactory results for a lot of folks 
without going beyond 28-33 mm tires. Despite the current popularity of 
"wider is better" and asking "how wide is too wide?" there can be wisdom in 
asking "how wide is wide enough?".
Typically it seems like tires are so much more compliant than even "std. 
diameter" thin wall tubing, that softer tires dominate wrt vertical 
compliance. Sounds like for you, not so much. First time for everything I 
suppose.
I expect you are aware there are folks who only like more flexible extra 
thin walled "standard" diameter tubed frames. Perhaps you do too. It's good 
to know what one likes.
I hope the stress levels in your fork blades are well below the fatigue 
limit for steel. Also that's a tall head tube, perhaps some of the flex in 
your fork is in the steerer tube?
Have you seen the video of Hincapie in Paris Roubaix sitting bolt upright 
with his disconnected bars in his hand as he veered into the ditch and 
separated his shoulder?

I think the handling of my Bombadil is somewhat different than my other 
bikes, I like it a lot for riding the hills in my local open spaces. Prefer 
other bikes for riding on roads though.

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 4:24:23 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> What are your 50mm tires Ted ?  It seems pressure does play a large role 
> in all this ! 
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:52:31 AM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>>
>> Love my road bikes, also love my Bombadil.
>>
>> Logged lots of miles on ~21 or 22mm tubulars, was on 26mm tires today. 
>> Yep, ride great. Probably wouldn't choose them for riding over the ridge in 
>> my local open space though.
>>
>> Yes wide tires are just wider, well wider and taller. The wider tends to 
>> mean they sink in less on soft surfaces. That can be a good thing or a bad 
>> thing. The taller helps to avoid pinch flats at lower pressures. They also 
>> need lower pressure to give the same spring rate. At 20 psi the 50mm tires 
>> on my Bombadil are quite compliant. At 30 not so much. But at 20 psi short 
>> of going fast over bad deep dried out bovine hoof prints i'd never 
>> characterize its ride as "jarring as heck". Clearly your millage differs 
>> though. 
>>
>> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 4:10:41 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a 
>>> whole lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made 
>>> with a 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars 
>>> from Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and 
>>> Sachs 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>>>
>>>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
>>> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
>>> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  
>>> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
>>> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
>>> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
>>> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
>>> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
>>> ! 
>>>
>>> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
>>> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
>>> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
>>> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
>>> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
>>> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>>>
>>> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I 
>>> love narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. 
>>> I rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
>>> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
>>> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
>>> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've

Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

2020-06-09 Thread JohnS

Thank you Garth, I was wondering if such adapters were available. The Deore 
RD has a long cage, so it might be a good candidate. I'll have to do some 
investigate to make sure.

JohnS


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:05:48 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Hey John, one of derailleur tab extenders like a Wolf Roadlink allows the 
> use of such large cogs with derailleurs that couldn't otherwise work. It 
> doesn't alter the RD ch!in wrap capacity of course, just the ability to 
> work with huge cogs. So an 11-46 1x should work with even the older RD's 
> that have at least a 35t chain wrap capacity. 

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[RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws



That's great Conway ... good allaround . 

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[RBW] Gravel survey - which tires do you want to see tested?

2020-06-09 Thread Mike E

First off thank you for all the discussions and constructive criticism when 
we launched the blog. As we move forward, the title says it all. We're 
asking for input into which tires you want to see tested next on 
Gravel Go to https://gravelanddirt.blogspot.com to register your 
vote. Thanks, Mike.

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[RBW] Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

2020-06-09 Thread Nate in Oakland

Hey all!  I just converted my Atlantis to drops and now I’m finding that I 
can’t get my trusty B17 far enough back for comfort.  I’ve been lusting 
after/looking for an excuse to buy a Berthoud saddle for a while, and now I’m 
wondering if one would fix my setback issue.  Someone out there must have 
experience with both!

Btw, I know I could get a whacky looking seat post like the one in the Blahg, 
but would rather not!

Thanks,
Nate

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Re: [RBW] In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

2020-06-09 Thread John G.

My favorite type of bike! The Regular Ass Road Bike! Zippy tubing, comfy 
geo for all day hustling, clearance for 32mm tires, bars just a hair 
beneath the saddle height. Everyone needs one. Or, in my case, 4: my 
secondhand Weigle, my Roadeo by way of Mike Godwin, my Mercian Superlight, 
and my Peugeot with 531 Professional and the really dumb front braze-on 
front derailleur.

I'm a huge fan of these types of bikes, and the Roadeo is an outstanding 
example of one.

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:41:28 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>  
> Patrick your story reminds me of how my brother would recount all his 
> training in the Air Force to work on F-16's and later on commercial 
> jetliners. When asked how such and such "really works", there some point 
> when all you can say is "it's PFM". Pure f'n magic. Beyond explanation and 
> reason.  Ahahahaahah !   I love that term , as when it comes down to 
> everything of this world and how "everything works", is to me ... P F M  
>    In a wondrous way ! 
>
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:40:30 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The Franklin sounds intriguing; can you post a photo?
>>
>> Your experience may well be due to tubing differences; I know that my 
>> Matthews, built from thinwall, heat treated stuff compared to the 
>> excessively stout tubing of the original Fargo, and with a delicately 
>> shaped "French" curve instead of the Fargo's girder legs, rolls smoother 
>> over small bumps -- washboard, eg -- with the same wheels and tires. But 
>> tires and casings and widths and pressures can also cause this sort of 
>> difference.
>>
>> My own experience with tires fat and skinny -- from 19 mm (labeled; this 
>> was at a time when I naively thought (1) skinnier was faster; (2) labeled 
>> width was the actual width, and (3) labeled max press was the best press) 
>> to 65 mm actual width (60 mm Big Apple regulars on 50 mm SnoCat SLs) -- is 
>> that tire pressure, casing, and width all play a tortured, complex, and 
>> often inscrutable ballet or fugue or minuet together, and that -- wala!! -- 
>> sometimes fatter tires feel **harder** than skinnier tires, and sometimes 
>> thinskin, supple tires feel **harder** than thickwall utility tires. I'll 
>> explain.
>>
>> I'll start with an anecdote. For years I rode 26" X1" (559 X 22 mm actual 
>> on my skinny rims) Specialized Turbos at 110 psi, later, wising up, 
>> reducing that to 80/90 f/r. **These felt cushiony and smooth** as long as 
>> you were riding over chipseal or small cracks and not our 6" to 8" 
>> expansion cracks. OTOH, 35 mm Fatboys pumped to sidewall max (try that with 
>> a Blackburn Airstick, 1990 model!) bounced you around on all but the 
>> slickest pavement. Even reducing the Fatboys, and later similarly wide 
>> Kojaks to 50 psi: sure, the 35s (32 actual) handled big cracks better, but 
>> over rough, worn pavement? Nope, the 22s were at least as smooth if not 
>> smoother.
>>
>> Reasons? Well, suppleness for one thing, but also, tire pressure 
>> tradeoff. The 22s at ~90 were so skinny, as well as supple, that they 
>> "gave" at each little bump. The downside? Pinch flat and rim damage if you 
>> hit something too big too hard. I personally am a delicate rider and never 
>> got pinch flats on those tires, even with 40 lb rear loads (broke a spoke 
>> or 2, though, with aluminum nipples and Revolutions). The Kojaks were 
>> smoother than the Fatboys, but to get the same cush, you had to reduce the 
>> pressure to almost -- **almost** -- wallowy softenss. 32 mm Paselas, light 
>> 240 grams, even worse; soft and they bounced; no bounce, and they jarred.
>>
>> I recall swapping the 60 mm Big Apples, thick stout things, for very 
>> supple Furious Freds (60 mm/50 mm, 900 grams versus 360 grams. 800 grams 
>> for the BA "lite" model) and being disappointed that the FFs seemed to be 
>> as harsh over bumps as the BAs. The reason was that, with the paper-thin 
>> sidewalls, I had to pump them to at least 18 psi, while I often rode the 
>> BAs with thicker sidewalls at 15. The balance between "soggy" and "harsh" 
>> was a difficult one to achieve.
>>
>> I switched to 60 mm Big Ones -- 90 grams heavier than the 50 mm FFs at 
>> 450 grams. Again, pump them hard enough to not lose control on fastish 
>> pavement corners, and they are surprisingly harsh over bumps -- the minimum 
>> is about 18 psi, tho' I usually run them at 19-21 for less wallowing in 
>> pavement corners.
>>
>> Upshot of all this driveling: you can put fat tires on a bike and pump 
>> them to the minimum psi to prevent wallow or bouncing, and you may find 
>> that this minimum pressure makes them harsher than you'd think, to the 
>> point where, in certain situations, a 32 mm supple tire at a pressure just 
>> high enough to avoid bouncing or pinch flats actually feels softer over 
>> certain bumps than a fatter tire at a lower pressure.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

I love the micro four thirds system too.  I'm a fan of the Panasonic GX
line (small form with built-in viewfinder).  I have the GX1 and then
upgraded to GX8.  It peaked there with the weather resistant body and was
downgraded with the GX9.  The 20mm f1.7 lens is fantastic.  It has a great
walk forward and backward zoom :) and is perfect for most things except
wildlife, which may flee by the zoom actuation.  I use an old Lightroom
(before they went subscription) with RAW images to get lossless exposure
control.

Toshi


On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 5:57 AM Michael Morrissey <
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> I love Micro four thirds! Get the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. I get so many
> compliments on my photos from it. Just like Rivendell bikes, on paper,
> looking at the technical specs only, micro four thirds cameras don’t seem
> that great. They’re not technically “the best.” But, when you get your
> hands on one in real life they’re way more fun than you expect. For real
> life use, they’re just inexplicably more practical than any other option.
>
> Good call with the Olympus. You’ll like it a lot.
>
> M
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[RBW] Re: Tell me about WTC extra long b screws

2020-06-09 Thread Conway Bennett

Solved!  The screw on the barend shifter came loose and the components were 
slightly out of alignment making it so I could not get a full throw of the 
shifter.

FWIW, a long cage 9 speed deore rear derailleur will shift at least up to a 42t 
cog with the stock b screw full tightened.

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread Glen



On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:49:31 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
I was in the market for a smaller travel camera earlier this year and after 
a week of analysis paralysis settled on the Lumix GX9 with the kit 12-60 
zoom and a 20mm f1/7 prime. 

As I narrowed the choices down the Sony RX100 would have been my 2nd 
choice. They both get great reviews.

Sadly haven't hauled it many places yet but will keep it in a Pelican box 
for river trips and in a small padded bag while biking. 

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Re: [RBW] Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-09 Thread Patrick Moore

Thanks, Roberta, and again, congrats on the makeover.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:07 AM Roberta  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> The kickstand is a Defary removable kickstand (so technically not a
> "kickstand"), about $18 on Amazon. I'm not sure this will work because the
> only way to get to it was through my history:
> https://www.amazon.com/Defary-Removable-Kickstand-Stainless-Material/dp/B074T8V8PH/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=C69TEJKKFPBD8H5GS203
> .
>
> It's very sturdy and strong and doesn't sag under the bicycles weight like
> some of the other removable ones do.
>
> After a week of not being able to ride my bikes, I took my AHH out last
> night and I'm still giddy with happiness on the new ride quality. Joe
> Appaloosa tonight!
>
> Roberta
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[RBW] Re: Racks and hillibikes

2020-06-09 Thread maxcr

A fellow RBW user sent me the wheelbase measurement at 48.5" (thanks!), so 
I think I can make the existing Saris bar work... we'll see.

Also, just noticed that the specs are loaded on 
https://bikeinsights.com/bike-geometries/5dd30c60b67a270017e929cb-rivendell-susie-w-longbolts-wolbis-slugstone-2019-base-50

Hope that's helpful for others that were wondering about them.

Max

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>
> Interesting, that means my current rack config might actually work. I 
> misread the geometry  chart, I 
> used the 53 chainstay number which isn't correct, I need wheelbase. 
>
> If I add chainstay and front-center, do I roughly get wheelbase?
>
> Does anyone have details on the wheelbase number for a 50 Susie?
>
> Max
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 3:56:41 AM UTC-4, Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>> I measured the medium demo Susie as having a 49.2" wheelbase.
>>
>> David Lipsky
>>
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:15:15 PM UTC-7, maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, two quick searches answered my own question. Smallest Susie has a 
>>> 53” wheelbase, the basic Saris Freedom supports up to 48”, so I guess I 
>>> need to order the long wb bar. 
>>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

2020-06-09 Thread Rich Lesnik

One word: zip tie

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread EricP

Another vote for the Sony RX100. Even though I have a mirrorless camera, 
more times than not I grab the Sony. It just works for me. The one big 
downside is the small form can get slippery. Added a grip to mine. In 
general will keep it on automatic and just use it without further thought. 
Mine is the first generation. The newer ones have more features (like 
viewfinder) and are more expensive. 

All the other suggestions are also good. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:57:14 AM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> I love Micro four thirds! Get the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. I get so many 
> compliments on my photos from it. Just like Rivendell bikes, on paper, 
> looking at the technical specs only, micro four thirds cameras don’t seem 
> that great. They’re not technically “the best.” But, when you get your 
> hands on one in real life they’re way more fun than you expect. For real 
> life use, they’re just inexplicably more practical than any other option. 
>
> Good call with the Olympus. You’ll like it a lot. 
>
> M

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[RBW] Re: FS- fenders, Brooks Saddle, Baggins Trunk bag, Nitto lugged seat post

2020-06-09 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Andy, 
Perfect thanks.
I can’t find a DM from you.

Text me for payment details.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-09 Thread EricP

Maybe it's just my eyes, but with the drop bars, it looks to be a bit of an 
homage to the Charlie Cunningham bicycles of the early mountain bike era. 
But different enough. If that ends up being close to the final design, I 
like it. Even though I'm not looking for anything else. (Except for waiting 
on my Clem L.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:05:42 AM UTC-5, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> What looks bad to me is the curved top tube of the Gallop joining the seat 
>> tube at a significantly higher point than on the Gus/Susie. It almost 
>> merges with the seat cluster of the Gallop and that detracts from each 
>> element. If you're going to drop the top tube you might as well provide a 
>> little more clearance.
>
>  
>
>> How is it different from the Gus/Susie? Tig welding versus fillet 
>> brazing? That may allow for a major price break. The Gus/Susie family are 
>> now $1800 for a frameset.
>>
>  
>
>> Shorter top tube to allow for drops?
>>
>  
>
>> And, we don't know if there will be 650b and 700c variants in the size 
>> ranges.
>>
>
> David Lipsky
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

2020-06-09 Thread Doug Hansford

Not a bike name but handlebars. I like the mashup of Albatross and Mustache 
bars...Albastache. Descriptive and simple.
Doug

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 12:15:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I think GP would ask him and he would say no. 

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[RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

2020-06-09 Thread 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch

Memo to self: 2 more Zip-Ties.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 6:16:03 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
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>
> [image: image.png]
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 20 t and 22 t Shimano or Shimano-compatible cogs; also 13 t and 14 t outers

At Nashbar you can buy the 11-32 for a dollar cheaper ($35.99)  -  LINK 

And you can buy the 12-28 for $29.99 - LINK 


Between those two cogsets you have every Shimano 10 speed cog covered from 
11 to 23 teeth.  

Buy three of each and this would be your 10 speed shimano cog board:

3 x 11T first position 
3 x 12T first position
3 x 12T second position
3 x 13T second position
6 x 14T 
3 x 15T
3 x 16T
3 x 17T
3 x 18T
3 x 19T
3 x 20T
3 x 21T
3 x 22T
3 x 23T
6 x 25T
6 x 28T
3 x 32T

That would be a total of 60 cogs, for under $200.  If you were to sell a 
few 28T and all the 32s to your friends for $5 apiece, and use the 11T's as 
christmas ornaments, you could be down to under $150 invested.  Assuming 
you have the 13/14 situation covered, then you could have your ideal 13-25 
10sp, plus an essentially effortless exchange of a 20 for a 28 as a 
hillclimber event setup.  You could even run a 14-23 10 speed straight 
block if you so choose, or a 13-22, or a 12-21.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:14:08 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, the HG500 looks like a good option at about $6 per 10 sp cog. I'm 
> near to buying -- something. Report at 10.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 5:17 PM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> I did a little bit of internet research since Patrick Moore sometimes 
>> struggles with this.  I also put my hands on some of my own stock.  I have 
>> the following items to report:
>>
>> I own a brand new SRAM PG950 cassette in 11-34.  It disassembles into 
>> individual cogs and the 11-34 includes a 20.  I disassembled mine to 
>> confirm it.  You can sometimes find a PG950 for as little as $20.  Here is 
>> a link to the SRAM page that lists all the cogs.  My guess is Patrick Moore 
>> would use at most 3 of the 9 cogs, so it might be too expensive for him:
>>
>> https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/CS-PG-950-A1
>>
>> I own several Deore XT 10 speed 11-32 cassettes.  There are two carriers, 
>> with three cogs each.  The smaller of the two carriers has a 18-20-22, 
>> permanently and inextricably attached to a carrier.  Even though Patrick 
>> Moore needs a 20 and a 22, I suspect he cannot stomach the jump from 18 to 
>> 20.  The four remaining loose cogs would be 11, 12, 14 and 16, so Patrick 
>> Moore could possibly get 5 usable cogs out of a $50 cassette.  
>>
>> I researched the cheap Shimano HG-500 10 speed cassette.  I am 95% sure 
>> it can be completely disassembled into individual cogs, and it costs $37 at 
>> Jenson USA.  The full cog progression is:11-12-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32
>>
>> I recommend you put your hands on a 10-speed HG500 and confirm you can 
>> either unscrew a pin or grind off a rivet to get the cogs apart.  If you 
>> can, then you could get a bunch of matched 10-speed spacers plus as many as 
>> 6 great cogs all for $37.  Once you confirm that you can take it apart, you 
>> should buy 4 of them.  
>>
>> Here is the Jenson USA link:  
>> https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-HG-500-10-Speed-Cassette
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 12:50:11 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been beating my head against the supply chain, vendor stockage, and 
>>> data-dearth obstacles to finding 10 speed cassettes without spiders with a 
>>> 20 t middle and 25 t outer, or 13-20 + 22 and 25 10 sp loose cogs, so at 
>>> least for now the strategy is to stick with 9 (14-25 instead of 13-25) so 
>>> that I can use 9, 8, 7, or even Uniglide cogs to build my cassettes -- 
>>> (13)-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-25. 
>>>
>>> Friendly listers have suggested eBay, Spanish, US, and British sources, 
>>> but neither cassettes nor all cogs are available.
>>>
>>> I can find dozens of 14 thru19 cogs; 20s and 22s and 25s are less common.
>>>
>>> Point: If you have 20s or 22s or 25s to sell, please advice. (Need not 
>>> be new, but must be little worn.)
>>>
>>> I will also buy any 13 t outermost or 14 t outermost that you have for 
>>> sale.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell handlebard rando bag (forgot the name)

2020-06-09 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

DStein,

I have a new grey one stashed somewhere I might sell.  Do you want the nitro 
attachment also?  Contact me for pictures etc.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan
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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-09 Thread Michael Morrissey

I love Micro four thirds! Get the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. I get so many 
compliments on my photos from it. Just like Rivendell bikes, on paper, looking 
at the technical specs only, micro four thirds cameras don’t seem that great. 
They’re not technically “the best.” But, when you get your hands on one in real 
life they’re way more fun than you expect. For real life use, they’re just 
inexplicably more practical than any other option. 

Good call with the Olympus. You’ll like it a lot. 

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[RBW] FS- 53cm Atlantis with s couplers (26” wheels)

2020-06-09 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Bump!
Seriously make a best price offer shipped.  Just want this going to someone who 
will ride an uniquely perfect touring machine.
All money for the sale of this bike will be repurposed to RBW.
FFHS wheelset sale possible if someone has a full build of parts already in 
their possession.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson

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Re: [RBW] In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

 
Patrick your story reminds me of how my brother would recount all his 
training in the Air Force to work on F-16's and later on commercial 
jetliners. When asked how such and such "really works", there some point 
when all you can say is "it's PFM". Pure f'n magic. Beyond explanation and 
reason.  Ahahahaahah !   I love that term , as when it comes down to 
everything of this world and how "everything works", is to me ... P F M  
   In a wondrous way ! 


On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:40:30 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The Franklin sounds intriguing; can you post a photo?
>
> Your experience may well be due to tubing differences; I know that my 
> Matthews, built from thinwall, heat treated stuff compared to the 
> excessively stout tubing of the original Fargo, and with a delicately 
> shaped "French" curve instead of the Fargo's girder legs, rolls smoother 
> over small bumps -- washboard, eg -- with the same wheels and tires. But 
> tires and casings and widths and pressures can also cause this sort of 
> difference.
>
> My own experience with tires fat and skinny -- from 19 mm (labeled; this 
> was at a time when I naively thought (1) skinnier was faster; (2) labeled 
> width was the actual width, and (3) labeled max press was the best press) 
> to 65 mm actual width (60 mm Big Apple regulars on 50 mm SnoCat SLs) -- is 
> that tire pressure, casing, and width all play a tortured, complex, and 
> often inscrutable ballet or fugue or minuet together, and that -- wala!! -- 
> sometimes fatter tires feel **harder** than skinnier tires, and sometimes 
> thinskin, supple tires feel **harder** than thickwall utility tires. I'll 
> explain.
>
> I'll start with an anecdote. For years I rode 26" X1" (559 X 22 mm actual 
> on my skinny rims) Specialized Turbos at 110 psi, later, wising up, 
> reducing that to 80/90 f/r. **These felt cushiony and smooth** as long as 
> you were riding over chipseal or small cracks and not our 6" to 8" 
> expansion cracks. OTOH, 35 mm Fatboys pumped to sidewall max (try that with 
> a Blackburn Airstick, 1990 model!) bounced you around on all but the 
> slickest pavement. Even reducing the Fatboys, and later similarly wide 
> Kojaks to 50 psi: sure, the 35s (32 actual) handled big cracks better, but 
> over rough, worn pavement? Nope, the 22s were at least as smooth if not 
> smoother.
>
> Reasons? Well, suppleness for one thing, but also, tire pressure tradeoff. 
> The 22s at ~90 were so skinny, as well as supple, that they "gave" at each 
> little bump. The downside? Pinch flat and rim damage if you hit something 
> too big too hard. I personally am a delicate rider and never got pinch 
> flats on those tires, even with 40 lb rear loads (broke a spoke or 2, 
> though, with aluminum nipples and Revolutions). The Kojaks were smoother 
> than the Fatboys, but to get the same cush, you had to reduce the pressure 
> to almost -- **almost** -- wallowy softenss. 32 mm Paselas, light 240 
> grams, even worse; soft and they bounced; no bounce, and they jarred.
>
> I recall swapping the 60 mm Big Apples, thick stout things, for very 
> supple Furious Freds (60 mm/50 mm, 900 grams versus 360 grams. 800 grams 
> for the BA "lite" model) and being disappointed that the FFs seemed to be 
> as harsh over bumps as the BAs. The reason was that, with the paper-thin 
> sidewalls, I had to pump them to at least 18 psi, while I often rode the 
> BAs with thicker sidewalls at 15. The balance between "soggy" and "harsh" 
> was a difficult one to achieve.
>
> I switched to 60 mm Big Ones -- 90 grams heavier than the 50 mm FFs at 450 
> grams. Again, pump them hard enough to not lose control on fastish pavement 
> corners, and they are surprisingly harsh over bumps -- the minimum is about 
> 18 psi, tho' I usually run them at 19-21 for less wallowing in pavement 
> corners.
>
> Upshot of all this driveling: you can put fat tires on a bike and pump 
> them to the minimum psi to prevent wallow or bouncing, and you may find 
> that this minimum pressure makes them harsher than you'd think, to the 
> point where, in certain situations, a 32 mm supple tire at a pressure just 
> high enough to avoid bouncing or pinch flats actually feels softer over 
> certain bumps than a fatter tire at a lower pressure.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires


Yea Mark  like ye' ol' rabbit hole ... and the irresistible temptation 
to take a peek, "what's in the box ?"...  and then you find yourself sucked 
in it. Until . well  until you don't ! 


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 6:38:54 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Lots of variables to consider--frame geometries and tubing/layups, tire 
> width, construction, pressures; rider style and weight; terrain and road 
> conditions; position of the planets, and so on. 
>
> I like wide mostly these days, but getting on some skinny rubber is fun, 
> and it's about the difference. You can't appreciate one without the other, 
> and they are both fun--all the tens of thousands of people riding on 25mm 
> tires can't be in that much pain! 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

Yes ...nothing to do with tires on this frame... I've had Specialized 
Armadillo(aptly maned as they were stiff !) tires on it way back and even 
then the ride was good. t seems starting with suitable tubing and design 
has more to do with the ride than simply wheels alone.  I posted the geo 
and stuff below. 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 4:16:26 AM UTC-4, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> Garth, I'd like to know the geometry on your Franklin with 531ST. And a 
> photo. Then I'll tell you of my epiphany (similar to yours I think). 
> Nothing to do with tires. 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

Yes Philip .. sharp is a good word  like a sharp .5mm mechanical pencil 
in contrast to a magic marker !  


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:23:29 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I’ve recently built up two bikes with road-sized (26mm-ish) tires, and I 
> love them. A Bontrager RoadLite 1x11, and a Pinarello cross bike set up as 
> a flat bar singlespeed. So fun and sharp! 
>
> Philip 
> SantaRosa, CA 

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

What are your 50mm tires Ted ?  It seems pressure does play a large role in 
all this ! 


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:52:31 AM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
> Love my road bikes, also love my Bombadil.
>
> Logged lots of miles on ~21 or 22mm tubulars, was on 26mm tires today. 
> Yep, ride great. Probably wouldn't choose them for riding over the ridge in 
> my local open space though.
>
> Yes wide tires are just wider, well wider and taller. The wider tends to 
> mean they sink in less on soft surfaces. That can be a good thing or a bad 
> thing. The taller helps to avoid pinch flats at lower pressures. They also 
> need lower pressure to give the same spring rate. At 20 psi the 50mm tires 
> on my Bombadil are quite compliant. At 30 not so much. But at 20 psi short 
> of going fast over bad deep dried out bovine hoof prints i'd never 
> characterize its ride as "jarring as heck". Clearly your millage differs 
> though. 
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 4:10:41 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>  
>>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
>> lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
>> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
>> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
>> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>>
>>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
>> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
>> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  
>> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
>> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
>> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
>> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
>> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
>> ! 
>>
>> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
>> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
>> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
>> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
>> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
>> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>>
>> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
>> narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
>> rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
>> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
>> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
>> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
>> tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
>> that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
>> "soft" and cushy.
>>
>> Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to 
>> throw on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use 
>> Suntour XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective 
>> brake. It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic 
>> wheels that are on it. 
>>
>> Hooray for road-tire bikes !  
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

Like you DP, a jittery ride, for lack of an all encompassing term, just 
doesn't work for me either. That's likely why I've preferred road riding so 
much as I've never had a suitable frame or maybe tires for that matter for 
my local not-so-maintained township "roads". I'm going to try out some new 
tires if I can ever decide on some. 

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 7:25:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I am constantly amazed how my QB with RH Stellacomb knobbies is nearly as 
> plush a ride as my Hunqapillar (with liteskin Schwalbe 2.1" Racing Ralphs) 
> and GBW with 2.8" Nobby Niks. Fork flex is a huge part of this. Viewing the 
> Hunqapillar as parallel to your Bomba, I don't like any tires but the 
> liteskin on it ... not a supple ride.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:10:41 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>>
>>  
>>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
>> lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
>> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
>> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
>> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>>
>>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
>> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
>> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  
>> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
>> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
>> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
>> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
>> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
>> ! 
>>
>> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
>> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
>> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
>> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
>> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
>> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>>
>> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
>> narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
>> rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
>> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
>> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
>> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
>> tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
>> that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
>> "soft" and cushy.
>>
>> Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to 
>> throw on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use 
>> Suntour XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective 
>> brake. It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic 
>> wheels that are on it. 
>>
>> Hooray for road-tire bikes !  
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires