[RBW] Re: WTB: your near-new tires, 700 x 40 ish

[SPC]

I have two Schwalbe Little Big Bens if you're still looking.  I believe 
they are 700x38 if that works.  They are lightly used.  I'm in MN and 
willing to let them go for $30.00 for the pair plus shipping.

Thanks!!

Steve

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 10:01:06 AM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Have any near-new tires you want to move? I need new meats for a currently 
> seldom-used bike and looking to save a few bucks. Waddya got?
>

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[RBW] FS: Bagsxbird goldback large

[Isaiah Kramer]

Just sold. That was quick. 

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[RBW] Re: 59cm Atlantis (current model)

[Ryan Olson]

Hi Bryan,

FWIW, I was corresponding with Will at Riv HQ about the Atlantis and he 
said that the standover is 87 cm with a 2.1 inch tire.  

Ryan
Denver, CO

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:22:21 AM UTC-6 br...@onenaturellc.com wrote:

> Hello- I’m wondering if anyone on this list would be kind enough to point 
> me in a direction where I can find the current standover height for the 
> 59cm Atlantis. The table provided by Rivendell seems to leave it blank, at 
> least the ones I have seen. I do realize there is some variation based on 
> tire size so there is no perfect answer, just trying to get close. I’ve 
> been able to use a website called “bike insights” to compare a 59cm 2019 
> Atlantis with my current non-Rivendell bike, but I’m not sure how accurate 
> it is. Thank you! 

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Jason Fuller]

I totally agree that a more moderate sweep and short reach is much better 
for off-road control than Bosco type bars - I am LOVING the look of your 
GBW here!  If i were just a foot taller, i'd love to ride that rig!
>
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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Jason Fuller]

Maybe a more concise way to say what i meant would be: 

We all have very different life experiences, which lead to very different 
world views. all of them are valid. but it's important to recognize where 
those differences in life experiences might come from, and that the 
relevance of yours vs. others will depend on the topic. Our odds at success 
or failure depend on a lot of things, and many of them are out of our 
control.  Some of those are unrelated to our visible differences.  Some of 
them are. 

Patrick, your signature tells me that we have different belief systems, but 
that's not to say they can't both convey the same message in different 
ways. When it comes to the tool, it's all about how you use it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Jonathan D.]

I deleted my response. Don’t know about the overall post.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Ted; your remarks incline me further toward trying tubulars, fatter
than 22 mm, but still "road" width.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 4:07 PM ted  wrote:

> Patrick M,
>
> Hm.
>
> First I'd encourage anybody who hasn't used tubulars, is up for the gluing
> aspect, and has an interest in it to give them a try.
>
> Though I like my RH tires, I think comparing RH tires to tubulars is sort
> of apples to oranges. The tubulars I rode were 21 or 22 mm road racing (or
> training) tires. The good ones had a round cross section even before you
> inflated them, and they all had a round cross section when inflated. The
> effect of that roundness may have been primarily psychological, but somehow
> tubulars never felt as narrow as 23mm clinchers do to me. The tubulars gave
> a remarkably comfy ride even pumped to ~100psi. They also gave very
> immediate and responsive handling. It's possible the different wheel types
> played a roll too. I used light low profile rims like Arc En Ciel, and
> gl330 or gl280. I think even a "light" clincher rim like the Pacenti Brevet
> or the MA-40s that were ubiquitous in the 90s is significantly stiffer than
> those old tubular rims. Surely the more aero rims common today are.
> I don't think my recollections are good enough to pass judgement on the
> relative rolling resistance compared to tires I ride these days, but I'd
> hazard a guess that they (the good hand made tubulars) roll more easily.
>
> Most of the tires I ride now are a lot bigger than a road tubular. I like
> them a lot, they are comfy, and handle well if I don't run the pressure too
> low. But I don't think I would like riding those tires in a criterium,
> particularly not a technical downtown one (as opposes to a wide open course
> in a business park). Perhaps not even for a road race, where shoulder
> rubbing bar bumping crunches weren't unheard of either. However I don't do
> those things anymore so it's not really relevant for me.
>
> The 26mm cayuse extralights mounted to Hed Ardennes+ rims on my BMC Road
> are probably close to a good hand made tubular, but I doubt they are quite
> the same. They are very nice though and I doubt Ill ever go to the trouble
> and expense of setting up a road bike just to have for riding tubulars when
> I want to do so. But I'd never call into question anybody else's decision
> to so.
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:16:12 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Ted: Wrestling in prayer not to jerk the thread onto a tangent, but
>> giving in to sin with the consolation that the tangent isn't irrelevant: Do
>> you find that the best GB and RH clinchers perform (criteria: rolling
>> resistance, at least perceived, and cushioning over bumps of any sort) as
>> well as tubulars? If no, can you explicate?
>>
>> Thanks. Patrick "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" Moore, in full confidence
>> of the group's absolution.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:51 AM ted  wrote:
>>
>>> Trying is knowing. Do it.
>>>
>>> After riding strictly on tubulars for a couple decades I went back to
>>> clinches and never got results I was really happy with till I tried a pair
>>> of Grand Boise extralights I bought from Compass bikes (before JH
>>> introduced his like of tires). If you are at all interested in RH tires, I
>>> encourage you to try them. They were around and used very successfully by
>>> many folks before TC versions were even available.
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, didn't mean to start another debate, just thought it interesting and
pertinent because Moulton is certainly about cycling, usually, and I got
carried away.

How do I take this down?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:12 PM Drw  wrote:

> ...
> Anyway, this will get taken down. I’m ok with that, but I do hope we are
> all reading and talking and acting...just not here...
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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What does my signature, with abandon, tell you?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 9:05:45 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> I would never claim there's a singular correct view on how to fix the 
> problem, but I will certainly maintain there's only one correct answer to 
> whether there is a problem that needs fixing. A common theme in my world 
> view is that diversity is a positive thing, and that goes for opinions too. 
> However, a lot of so-called opinions are simply incorrect understandings of 
> reality, when ignorance stands in the way of learning. 
>
> I bet we have extremely different views in general (I know this, from your 
> signature) but I take no issue with that at all, in fact I appreciate it, 
> as long as those views aren't causing unnecessary pain or suffering. That's 
> when I would have to disagree. 
>
> In the case of police brutality, the opinion that matters to me is of 
> those affected by it; many of us aren't (myself included) and therefore I 
> don't consider myself to have any say in the matter, except to echo and 
> amplify the experiences and opinions of those who do. 
>
>
> On Monday, 15 June 2020 19:52:12 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Jason, if "these kinds of issues" aren't political, but are just about 
>> being a decent human being, are you saying there is one, singular way to be 
>> a decent human being and zero room for disagreement about how we go about 
>> upholding human dignity, be it protesting, rioting, looting, burning, 
>> voting, praying, learning, reasoning, competing, purchasing, building ... 
>> et al?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Drw]

I won’t speak to Jason’s intent, but I think quite the opposite, Deacon 
Patrick. Saying something is political seems to let people off the hook ( like 
“I don’t do politics”) but even that is, in fact a political move. 

I think there are a set of objectives that definitely reflect a good person’s 
character. That said, debate about ways of accomplishing them, for me, would be 
welcome. I’d almost go so far as to say that not talking about accomplishing 
the objectives does reflect poorly on a person’s character, and implies a 
definite level of ambivalence to the plight of our neighbors. 
Anyway, this will get taken down. I’m ok with that, but I do hope we are all 
reading and talking and acting...just not here...

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Jonathan D.]

Thank you for sharing.  He had some interesting posts. I agree with Brent and 
would love to hear what others would read.  I am heartened by how many folks 
are speaking up right now about what is happening in this country and the 
systems of injustice. There are many ways to be a good person in the world but 
not one that involves the exploitation, abuse and dehumanization of human 
beings. At least today there was a glimmer of hope for our LGBTQ+ friends, 
family and neighbors.  

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Jason Fuller]

I would never claim there's a singular correct view on how to fix the 
problem, but I will certainly maintain there's only one correct answer to 
whether there is a problem that needs fixing. A common theme in my world 
view is that diversity is a positive thing, and that goes for opinions too. 
However, a lot of so-called opinions are simply incorrect understandings of 
reality, when ignorance stands in the way of learning. 

I bet we have extremely different views in general (I know this, from your 
signature) but I take no issue with that at all, in fact I appreciate it, 
as long as those views aren't causing unnecessary pain or suffering. That's 
when I would have to disagree. 

In the case of police brutality, the opinion that matters to me is of those 
affected by it; many of us aren't (myself included) and therefore I don't 
consider myself to have any say in the matter, except to echo and amplify 
the experiences and opinions of those who do. 


On Monday, 15 June 2020 19:52:12 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Jason, if "these kinds of issues" aren't political, but are just about 
> being a decent human being, are you saying there is one, singular way to be 
> a decent human being and zero room for disagreement about how we go about 
> upholding human dignity, be it protesting, rioting, looting, burning, 
> voting, praying, learning, reasoning, competing, purchasing, building ... 
> et al?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jason, if "these kinds of issues" aren't political, but are just about 
being a decent human being, are you saying there is one, singular way to be 
a decent human being and zero room for disagreement about how we go about 
upholding human dignity, be it protesting, rioting, looting, burning, 
voting, praying, learning, reasoning, competing, purchasing, building ... 
et al?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Jason Fuller]

Babyshoe Pass here, standard casing, 2 or 3 flats over 4500 km, no flats in 
the past 2500 km.  I find them long-wearing and plenty durable for my 70/30 
mix of pavement and gravel. I really enjoy the ride they provide, but I've 
never ridden Gravel Kings which are probably pretty nice too.  

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Jason Fuller]

Hey Doug, they are VO Granola bars - I like the "middle ground" amount of 
sweep, I find it gives me better control. Similar to the Jones bars. I may 
end up with Albatross one day, though. 

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 05:26:24 UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> Jason,
> Which bars are you using on your Clem?
> Doug Hansford
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 1:48:29 AM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Puttered around on the Clem for a bit this afternoon - can't say I aired 
>> any of these jumps!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Jason Fuller]

I can't imagine this post will last too long, despite the Moulton 
connection!

But glad to see that he's aware and acknowledging that these issues persist 
today, and I for one am happy to see you bring it up. These kinds of issues 
get labelled as political, but that's a cop-out. It's about being a decent 
human being in my books. I've been really heartened by how mainstream these 
difficult discussions have become, and I hope the momentum continues for 
some real change. As a society, we tend to get used to things, regardless 
of how sane or insane they are. Things that are perceived as totally normal 
in one country are considered absolutely bizarre in another, and it has 
nothing to do with the predisposition of its people - that's the key thing 
about all of this - we are all the same, regardless of our background. We 
all have different personalities but that's totally independent of our 
heritage--if we sorted ourselves by our mutual interests and skills, it 
would be a pretty diverse mix. 

One of those things that has become perceived as normal in North America is 
that the police are a huge, armed presence that are kind of a 
one-size-fits-all solution to a host of problems. There are a multitude of 
different ways the security of society could be accomplished that look very 
different from today's model, so the idea 'defund the police' is not nearly 
as radical as it sounds. it has a bit of a click-baity vibe to it, which i 
think does a lot of harm to its credibility, but the idea is actually very 
sound. Similarly, the term 'industrial prison complex' sounds like 
straight-up lunatic speak in my opinion, yet if you spend the time to 
really understand how this feedback loop works in modern society, it's a 
real and credible problem. I'm thankful for how much information has come 
to light in all this, I've become a lot better educated and know better how 
to help than ever before, and I hope others do the same. 

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[kim young]

:) Lol
 Thank you joe ‍☠️





On Monday, June 15, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Kim! It's so cool to see you again! 
>
> I've had that '94 catalogue since 1994, it's hilarious to discover you
> were hungover in the pic. You hid it well! 
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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Ash]

My favorite picture: https://i.snap.as/xEgShbB.jpeg

Cigne stem probably won't be an option for my Susie, but I'm planning to go 
high one way or another!

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 19:32:44 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thanks, Aaron. You can see the cages with the big water bottles (3) 64oz, 
> (1) 28 oz. in these two posts.
>
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
> and
> https://deaconpatrick.org/two-midsummer-nights-dream-bikepacking-pikes-peak
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-6, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>>
>> I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 
>>
>> Also love 4 bottle cages! 
>>
>> Thanks for posting. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Ash]

My favorite picture: https://i.snap.as/xEgShbB.jpeg

Cigne stem probably won't be an option for my Susie, but I'm planning to go 
high one way or the other!


On Sunday, 14 June 2020 19:32:44 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thanks, Aaron. You can see the cages with the big water bottles (3) 64oz, 
> (1) 28 oz. in these two posts.
>
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
> and
> https://deaconpatrick.org/two-midsummer-nights-dream-bikepacking-pikes-peak
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-6, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>>
>> I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 
>>
>> Also love 4 bottle cages! 
>>
>> Thanks for posting. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>

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[RBW] Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Brett Callahan]

My initial response to the Gus photos and info from Rivendell was a huge "meh", 
but seeing Patrick's and John's built up is really changing my mind.   

I still think I'd have a hard time buying this type of bike without discs (said 
as the proud owner of a Hillborne and Atlantis--I'm not anti rim brake) but 
these two builds look FUN! 

For a bike that seems similar in purpose and execution that does have discs, 
folks should check out Stooge Cycles.  Their buildouts also seem to scream 
"fun!" 

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[RBW] Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Brett Callahan]

Patrick, thanks for the link.  I read a couple of posts and found them I 
retesting and thought provoking.   

I was just exchanging emails with a group of friends today talking about our 
various "daily visits" as far as blogs, sites, etc It would be interesting 
to have a similar thread here and see what people are regularly browsing.  

Brett in PDX 

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Kim! It's so cool to see you again! 

I've had that '94 catalogue since 1994, it's hilarious to discover you were 
hungover in the pic. You hid it well! 

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[kim young]

Likewise Doug.
I think I am going to win the lottery pretty soon, so I will buy an extra
Riv for you. :)


On Monday, June 15, 2020, Doug Hansford  wrote:

> Nice to meet you Kim! I'm sure Bridgestone was a cool place to work just
> as Rivendell for sure must be. Bike-centric and people friendly. I've never
> been to Rivendell headquarters but have spoken to Grant by phone a couple
> of times and he's genuine and really wants his customers to get the right
> bicycle and just ride. His book drew me to Rivendell in the first place and
> I've been a fan since, even though I don't currently own a fully built
> Rivendell bike. But, I've set my other bikes up according to the "Just
> Ride" philosophy and enjoy riding more than ever before. Leah's Clementine
> is a good example of making a bike uniquely your own even if it isn't a
> custom.
> Doug Hansford
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:43:24 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>>
>> hey doug. you don't know me but i feel like i know you. lol
>>
>> omg leah!! i will get you back for this. dude where did you even find
>> that? I was seriously hung over in that pic (because bridestone reps were a
>> v. bad influence!) yikes, that was a hundred years ago. ugghhh I used to be
>> in mint condition. Now I am like a scratch and dent floor model. ha haha
>>
>> It's funny b/c when I agreed to do that catalogue thing, grant says to
>> me: be sure to bring your riding clothes, because we will all definitely go
>> on a ride. (tho I had been working in shops most my life, I was never the
>> pro-shop cyclist.) In other words, riding clothes meant whatever I had on
>> at the moment.  I remember thinking ogod please no! Because any kind of
>> riding that required special stretchy clothing and the weird shoes was sure
>> gonna kill me.  I tried squirming out of it, but they plied me with the
>> promise of after-ride beer and pizza! (The whole riv ethos sure has changed
>> !)
>>
>> And the bridgestone headquarters...  you can imagine - It was like
>> entering the willy wonka factory. Orange and purple x0-1s all leaned up
>> next to the cubicles. EVERYONE commuted. I think some even had their babies
>> at work with them. It was one of the most creative atmospheres I'd ever
>> experienced.
>>
>> So anyways thank you!!
>> This place is similarly inspiring.
>> sending hugs!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_2491.JPG]
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:08 AM Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> She’s famous, alright!
>>>
>>> I’m so excited for you to get your Rivendell, Kim. You’ll have to be a
>>> little more prolific on this forum when you do! You know, all the photos...
>>>
>>> I get so much joy from my #RivSisters. Riv brothers are good, too!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I'm a little slow so I still have no idea who you are Kim, Flowerfang.
>>> But, all RivSisters are cool and riding Rivs is cool.
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> "Not anonymous in Watkinsville, GA" #RivBro
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:

 Haha. busted.
 I so wish I was humble!
 I think I’m on eBay for $5.
 think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)

 I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the
 klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really
 advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a
 lot here, so thank you!
 I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew
 I loved the klunker vids. btw.)

 BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day
 now.
 (Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed
 up.)

 Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
 ✊

 (Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I
 think. Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink
 dirtdrop I just might have to gift you.)

 On Friday, June 12, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> "Kim, you’re so humble. You should tell them who you really are! I
> think there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."
>
> Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

Nice to meet you Kim! I'm sure Bridgestone was a cool place to work just as 
Rivendell for sure must be. Bike-centric and people friendly. I've never 
been to Rivendell headquarters but have spoken to Grant by phone a couple 
of times and he's genuine and really wants his customers to get the right 
bicycle and just ride. His book drew me to Rivendell in the first place and 
I've been a fan since, even though I don't currently own a fully built 
Rivendell bike. But, I've set my other bikes up according to the "Just 
Ride" philosophy and enjoy riding more than ever before. Leah's Clementine 
is a good example of making a bike uniquely your own even if it isn't a 
custom.
Doug Hansford

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:43:24 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>
> hey doug. you don't know me but i feel like i know you. lol
>
> omg leah!! i will get you back for this. dude where did you even find 
> that? I was seriously hung over in that pic (because bridestone reps were a 
> v. bad influence!) yikes, that was a hundred years ago. ugghhh I used to be 
> in mint condition. Now I am like a scratch and dent floor model. ha haha
>
> It's funny b/c when I agreed to do that catalogue thing, grant says to me: 
> be sure to bring your riding clothes, because we will all definitely go on 
> a ride. (tho I had been working in shops most my life, I was never the 
> pro-shop cyclist.) In other words, riding clothes meant whatever I had on 
> at the moment.  I remember thinking ogod please no! Because any kind of 
> riding that required special stretchy clothing and the weird shoes was sure 
> gonna kill me.  I tried squirming out of it, but they plied me with the 
> promise of after-ride beer and pizza! (The whole riv ethos sure has changed 
> !)
>
> And the bridgestone headquarters...  you can imagine - It was like 
> entering the willy wonka factory. Orange and purple x0-1s all leaned up 
> next to the cubicles. EVERYONE commuted. I think some even had their babies 
> at work with them. It was one of the most creative atmospheres I'd ever 
> experienced.
>
> So anyways thank you!!
> This place is similarly inspiring.
> sending hugs!!
>
>
>
>
> [image: IMG_2491.JPG]
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:08 AM Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
>> She’s famous, alright! 
>>
>> I’m so excited for you to get your Rivendell, Kim. You’ll have to be a 
>> little more prolific on this forum when you do! You know, all the photos... 
>>
>> I get so much joy from my #RivSisters. Riv brothers are good, too!
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Doug Hansford > > wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I'm a little slow so I still have no idea who you are Kim, Flowerfang. 
>> But, all RivSisters are cool and riding Rivs is cool.
>> Doug Hansford
>> "Not anonymous in Watkinsville, GA" #RivBro
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>>>
>>> Haha. busted. 
>>> I so wish I was humble!
>>> I think I’m on eBay for $5. 
>>> think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)
>>>
>>> I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the 
>>> klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really 
>>> advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a 
>>> lot here, so thank you!
>>> I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew I 
>>> loved the klunker vids. btw.)
>>>
>>> BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day 
>>> now.
>>> (Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed 
>>> up.) 
>>>
>>> Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
>>> ✊
>>>
>>> (Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I 
>>> think. Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink 
>>> dirtdrop I just might have to gift you.)
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 12, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 "Kim, you’re so humble. You should tell them who you really are! I 
 think there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."

 Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm, 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis

[Christopher Cote]

This is sold, thanks for the interest everyone!

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

[Bill Lindsay]

The 12-21 indexes great in the stand, so I'll take it out on the hilly road 
standard The Three Bears.  I'm expecting that it will be a grind to push 
the 30-21 up Papa Bear, and back up Wildcat on the way back home.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> great details and good work.
>
> I think you will find the gear change below 17T as 'annoyingly small".  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill

great details and good work.

I think you will find the gear change below 17T as 'annoyingly small".  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[ted]

Patrick M,

Hm.

First I'd encourage anybody who hasn't used tubulars, is up for the gluing 
aspect, and has an interest in it to give them a try.

Though I like my RH tires, I think comparing RH tires to tubulars is sort 
of apples to oranges. The tubulars I rode were 21 or 22 mm road racing (or 
training) tires. The good ones had a round cross section even before you 
inflated them, and they all had a round cross section when inflated. The 
effect of that roundness may have been primarily psychological, but somehow 
tubulars never felt as narrow as 23mm clinchers do to me. The tubulars gave 
a remarkably comfy ride even pumped to ~100psi. They also gave very 
immediate and responsive handling. It's possible the different wheel types 
played a roll too. I used light low profile rims like Arc En Ciel, and 
gl330 or gl280. I think even a "light" clincher rim like the Pacenti Brevet 
or the MA-40s that were ubiquitous in the 90s is significantly stiffer than 
those old tubular rims. Surely the more aero rims common today are.
I don't think my recollections are good enough to pass judgement on the 
relative rolling resistance compared to tires I ride these days, but I'd 
hazard a guess that they (the good hand made tubulars) roll more easily. 

Most of the tires I ride now are a lot bigger than a road tubular. I like 
them a lot, they are comfy, and handle well if I don't run the pressure too 
low. But I don't think I would like riding those tires in a criterium, 
particularly not a technical downtown one (as opposes to a wide open course 
in a business park). Perhaps not even for a road race, where shoulder 
rubbing bar bumping crunches weren't unheard of either. However I don't do 
those things anymore so it's not really relevant for me.

The 26mm cayuse extralights mounted to Hed Ardennes+ rims on my BMC Road 
are probably close to a good hand made tubular, but I doubt they are quite 
the same. They are very nice though and I doubt Ill ever go to the trouble 
and expense of setting up a road bike just to have for riding tubulars when 
I want to do so. But I'd never call into question anybody else's decision 
to so.

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:16:12 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Ted: Wrestling in prayer not to jerk the thread onto a tangent, but giving 
> in to sin with the consolation that the tangent isn't irrelevant: Do you 
> find that the best GB and RH clinchers perform (criteria: rolling 
> resistance, at least perceived, and cushioning over bumps of any sort) as 
> well as tubulars? If no, can you explicate?
>
> Thanks. Patrick "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" Moore, in full confidence of 
> the group's absolution.
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:51 AM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Trying is knowing. Do it.
>>
>> After riding strictly on tubulars for a couple decades I went back to 
>> clinches and never got results I was really happy with till I tried a pair 
>> of Grand Boise extralights I bought from Compass bikes (before JH 
>> introduced his like of tires). If you are at all interested in RH tires, I 
>> encourage you to try them. They were around and used very successfully by 
>> many folks before TC versions were even available.
>>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: For Sale: White Industries DOS freewheel, 16/19.

[Sal]

I’ll buy it. Please email me directly. 

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 1:05:17 PM UTC-7, Rich Lesnik wrote:
> Really only usable for Quickbeam, SimpleOne or Frank Jones. Used, good shape. 
> $60 shipped conus.

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[jack loudon]

I have used 3 sets of RH tires (all 700C, extralight) with tubes; 28mm, 
35mm, and 38mm widths.  By rough estimate, I got flats on average every 2.5 
weeks to 2 months, which translates to about 200 to 700 miles.  The 28's 
were the most flat-prone (due to higher pressure?), followed by the 38's 
and then the 35's.  The 38's were the early non-tubeless type and very 
lightweight, lighter than my 35's, and were a close second to the 28's in 
flat frequency. The 35's were okay, if you consider one flat every 2 months 
to be okay.   

My riding is split 80/20 between Seattle and semi-rural Northern CA.  
Perhaps unsurprisingly, nearly all my flats have been in Seattle.  One day 
last year I got two flats in 3 hours and called it quits; the RH's came off 
and belted tires went on.  The RH tires exceeded my tolerance level for 
flats, though many of you may feel differently.  If I lived in a rural area 
with cleaner roads, I may also feel differently about RH tires, but for the 
present I prefer to give up some ride quality in exchange for better flat 
protection.  

Jack 


 

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:37:46 AM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I , walso recently read that Jan Heine 
> actually runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. 
> Since there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Dirt droppish questions for smallish impulse buy

[Philip Williamson]

I second Bill’s request for pictures of your bikes. A 19” Rock Combo doesn’t 
sound like it should be too small, if you ride a 53cm Atlantis. 

I like Midge bars and current-model Nitto RM-3 bars. They are both flared, 
shallow drops. You may still need a taller stem, like a VO Cigne to get the 
bars way up there, if you no longer like to ride leaned over. Analog makes some 
very very short stems that could bring the bars back close to you, which would 
let you sit up straight. 

Low offset Jack Taylor stem: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274204241275
Low and zero offset Analog stems: 
https://www.analogcycles.com/product/analog-wright-stem/
Threadless Cigne stem: 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/cigne-stem
Quill-threadless adapter: https://www.ebay.com/itm/254222838251

You could measure the distance from saddle center to main grip area on your 
other bikes, as well as BB to grip and see how far off the new bike is from 
your comfortable reference. It may be that you can’t get drops high enough on 
this bike to make you comfortable. 


Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] FS: For Sale: White Industries DOS freewheel, 16/19.

[Bill Lindsay]

Also quite usable if you run two chainrings also 3 teeth apart

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[RBW] FS: For Sale: White Industries DOS freewheel, 16/19.

[Rich Lesnik]

Really only usable for Quickbeam, SimpleOne or Frank Jones. Used, good shape. 
$60 shipped conus.

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Brooks C17

[Carla Waugh]

Found thanks

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Austin B.]

I run Barlow Pass EL's tubed on my BMC Monstercross. No flats in two years.

It rides like buttah.

-Austin



On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 9:37:46 AM UTC-4, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[John Philip]

Those are Coronados. The bike's only been built a couple of days so not 
enough miles and varied conditions as yet to really tell, but in the 
unusually dry conditions we have had lately they roll and grip well.
On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:04:47 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> John, what model Teravail on your Gus, and how do you like? I am looking 
> at Honcho 2.6" for my upcoming L Susie.
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-4, John Philip wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:02:09 AM UTC-4, Bill Fulford wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m quite confused about the handlebar set up with my Gus Boots WILLsen. 
>>> How would waivie bars with the nitto v4 work. I like a little forward lean 
>>> as to not have too much weight on the saddle. Tough decisions.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Mark Roland]

I run my Compass/RH all with tubes.

700x38 Barlow Pass EL
26" Rat Trap Pass EL
700 x 38 Steilacoom 

Done D2R2 with each of the above, no flats. Very few flats overall. 
Initially ran the RTP with some sealant in the tubes, no longer bother. I 
am of the belief that flats are partially luck, partially environment, 
partially riding style and awareness, partially tire width and pressure. 
Lastly perhaps tire construction and rubber compound. Anyway, I seem to be 
getting the best of both worlds--great rolling and handling, plus fewer 
flats--with Rene Herse tires (with tubes.)

700 x 32 Stampede Pass EL, more of a "normal" flat rate (have not had these 
on a bike in a few years, about to build one up).  I attribute this to the 
well-observed phenomena of wider tires at lower pressure being less prone 
to get punctured by sharp objects.

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 3:14:13 PM UTC-4, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone—almost everyone I’ve ever seen on Reddit talking about 
> Herse tires claims to use them tubeless, but it figures I would find the 
> tubed holdouts here. I’d say I’m convinced, and also just realized that my 
> SKS P50 fenders will clear a 45mm tires, so Snoqualmie Pass it is!

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Patrick Moore]

One more remark regarding the British working class: from what I infer from
reading and observation from growing up in ex-Brit-Crown Colonies, the
working class of his time was far more accepting of black and brown people
than the ruling and middle classes; Moulton's remarks about black American
soldiers bears this out. Also, to carry this tangent farther: racialist
prejudice against dark skins was somewhat late among the British, AFAICT:
19th century, and even later 19th century, supported by the new Darwinist
ideologies. Othello was written by a Brit, and you read about and see
colored people of various sorts in 18th century popular media in
surprisingly everyday roles -- Hogarth, for example. Not perfect equality,
but certainly not the savage hatred and fear and contempt of the US South.

Patrick "part brown myself" Moore


On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:52 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com
>
> I don't usually look to craftsmen, however talented, for ethical or
> philosophical insights, but Dave Moulton makes some very basic good points.
> Moulton is not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, and his syntax and
> punctuation are iffy, but he has on his side both age and an upbringing in
> a relative poverty that perforce enforces a certain realism that
> counteracts ideological extravagance -- you don't become an anarchist if
> you are busy working hard to support your family.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Brady Smith]

Thanks everyone—almost everyone I’ve ever seen on Reddit talking about Herse 
tires claims to use them tubeless, but it figures I would find the tubed 
holdouts here. I’d say I’m convinced, and also just realized that my SKS P50 
fenders will clear a 45mm tires, so Snoqualmie Pass it is!

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

[Nate in Oakland]

Hey John,
Thanks for the link.  Despite what the numbers say, I'm actually really 
happy with the Berthoud in the current setup.  If I change my mind, I'll 
probably buy the IRD part from Riv when they stock it.

Nate

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Nate,
>
> Gotcha. My first thought was that I like my Berthoud saddle, but it 
> wouldn't have given me enough room to move back without the S84 seat post.
>
> If you need still more setback with the Berthoud, maybe look into the IRD 
> Wayback Seatpost? Comes in diameters 26.8mm, 27.0mm & 27.2mm.
>
> 
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/product/ird-seatpost-wayback-2418?search=seatpost
>
> Good luck!
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:53:36 PM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hi John, 
>> I currently have the S83 (26.8) on my Atlantis.  I actually own a 
>> beautifully lugged S84, but that lives on my Sam since it is a 27.2 and 
>> won’t fit in my Atlantis’ seat tube.  That’s probably why I don’t have this 
>> issue with my Sam on drop bars! 
>>
>> Andrew, 
>> Gorgeous!  Can’t wait to get Craig’s saddle! 
>>
>> Nate
>
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[RBW] WTT: Mark’s Rack for Nitto RBW51 Rack

[J Imler]

I’d like to trade my Mark’s rack for your Nitto RBW51 Rack. PM off list if 
interested. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Mark Roland]

John, what model Teravail on your Gus, and how do you like? I am looking at 
Honcho 2.6" for my upcoming L Susie.

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-4, John Philip wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:02:09 AM UTC-4, Bill Fulford wrote:
>>
>> I’m quite confused about the handlebar set up with my Gus Boots WILLsen. 
>> How would waivie bars with the nitto v4 work. I like a little forward lean 
>> as to not have too much weight on the saddle. Tough decisions.
>
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[RBW] Social justice from a real working class perspective

[Patrick Moore]

http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com

I don't usually look to craftsmen, however talented, for ethical or
philosophical insights, but Dave Moulton makes some very basic good points.
Moulton is not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, and his syntax and
punctuation are iffy, but he has on his side both age and an upbringing in
a relative poverty that perforce enforces a certain realism that
counteracts ideological extravagance -- you don't become an anarchist if
you are busy working hard to support your family.


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Re: [RBW] Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Andrew Erman]

Great looking bike!  I love it!  Good color!

> On Jun 15, 2020, at 9:59 AM, John Philip  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:02:09 AM UTC-4, Bill Fulford wrote:
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> would waivie bars with the nitto v4 work. I like a little forward lean as to 
> not have too much weight on the saddle. Tough decisions.
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[RBW] Re: Looking for Brooks C17

[Adam Leibow]

I have a C17S (s is for short) in natural. It's missing a Rivet but 
otherwise good condition. Contact me if you want it! 

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 3:14:27 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
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> Let me know if you have one. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to add that yes, even for me, something bigger than 90 gi is
occasionally useful. I spun out (slow rpm; 175 mm crank arms) the 89" the
other day on a very slight downhill.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:46 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 42/30, wheels 29.6" tall.
>
> This is the ideal cassette for these wheels and rings; it's currently a
> 14-25 9-speed while I wait for my cog order.
>
> 29.6" BIG ONES
>   42 28
> 13 96
> 14 89
> 15 83
> 16 78
> 17 73 49
> 18 69 46
> 19 65 44
> 20 62 41
> 22 57 38
> 25 50 33
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:40 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore said: "My own ideal dirt road cogsets are very similar,
>> only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and adding a 25 or 26
>> at the back."
>>
>> What chainrings do you use with this ideal 10-speed 13-25/6?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> 10-speed straight block! It's beautiful. My own ideal dirt road cogsets
>>> are very similar, only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and
>>> adding a 25 or 26 at the back.
>>>
>>> The only closer-ratio cogset is the secret "Polish Team17 X 17" cogset,
>>> with apologies to Poles everywhere.
>>>
>>> My own experience, not extensive, with index-shifting home-made cogsets
>>> is that they work pretty well post-7-speed. You might have to very slightly
>>> overshift on certain cogs, but not to the point where it's annoying --
>>> certainly no worse than OEM Shimano XT stock 7-speed indexing.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0777.jpg]
 Here's my first proof-of-existence of a cassette that does not exist as
 an off the shelf product:  It's a 100% Shimano HG500, 10 speed, 12-21
 straight block.

 On my Rivendell Roadeo, with a 46/30 crankset, that will give me the
 following gears:

 46 30
 12 103.5 67.5
 13 95.6 62.3
 14 88.7 57.9
 15 82.8 54
 16 77.6 50.6
 17 73.1 47.7
 18 69 45
 19 65.4 42.6
 20 62.1 40.5
 21 59.2 38.6
 The way I have the chainline biased for minimum Q-factor, that
 effectively gives me a 1x10 in the big ring that will cover 60 - 100 gear
 inches.  I'll avoid the smallest three cogs with the 30T chainring.  The
 largest 7 cogs spread evenly over the 40 - 55 inch range.

 I haven't confirmed how well this indexes in the stand, but I'll check
 that out shortly.  The on-the-road question I will ask myself will be
 whether I find the steps between gears annoyingly TOO SMALL.

 It definitely looks cool

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I bought six Shimano HG500 10 speed cassettes.  Three of the 12-28
> size and three of the 11-32 size.
>
> I ground off the heads of the rivets holding the cogs together, and
> pulled the cogs apart, and now I have the sweet beginnings of a fully
> stocked cog board.  The two cassettes yield:
>
> 11T lockring
> 12T lockring
> 11T first position
> 12T first position
> 12T second position
> 13T second position
> 2x 14T flat
> 15T flat
> 16T flat
> 17T flat
> 18T flat
> 19T flat
> 20T flat
> 21T flat
> 22T flat
> 23T flat
> 2x 25T flat
> 28T flat
> 28T beveled
> 32T beveled
>
> Lots of 10 speed spacers
>
> The 11-32 cogs have some weird discoloration, like maybe they get
> washed after assembly and the moisture got trapped.  Whatever.
>
> If anybody wants to buy a very hard to find 20T or 22T Shimano 10
> speed cog, I would sell one of each, two cogs for $25 shipped.  I'll even
> throw in two spacers.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> [image: unnamed.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

[Patrick Moore]

42/30, wheels 29.6" tall.

This is the ideal cassette for these wheels and rings; it's currently a
14-25 9-speed while I wait for my cog order.

29.6" BIG ONES
  42 28
13 96
14 89
15 83
16 78
17 73 49
18 69 46
19 65 44
20 62 41
22 57 38
25 50 33

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:40 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Patrick Moore said: "My own ideal dirt road cogsets are very similar, only
> starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and adding a 25 or 26 at
> the back."
>
> What chainrings do you use with this ideal 10-speed 13-25/6?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> 10-speed straight block! It's beautiful. My own ideal dirt road cogsets
>> are very similar, only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and
>> adding a 25 or 26 at the back.
>>
>> The only closer-ratio cogset is the secret "Polish Team17 X 17" cogset,
>> with apologies to Poles everywhere.
>>
>> My own experience, not extensive, with index-shifting home-made cogsets
>> is that they work pretty well post-7-speed. You might have to very slightly
>> overshift on certain cogs, but not to the point where it's annoying --
>> certainly no worse than OEM Shimano XT stock 7-speed indexing.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0777.jpg]
>>> Here's my first proof-of-existence of a cassette that does not exist as
>>> an off the shelf product:  It's a 100% Shimano HG500, 10 speed, 12-21
>>> straight block.
>>>
>>> On my Rivendell Roadeo, with a 46/30 crankset, that will give me the
>>> following gears:
>>>
>>> 46 30
>>> 12 103.5 67.5
>>> 13 95.6 62.3
>>> 14 88.7 57.9
>>> 15 82.8 54
>>> 16 77.6 50.6
>>> 17 73.1 47.7
>>> 18 69 45
>>> 19 65.4 42.6
>>> 20 62.1 40.5
>>> 21 59.2 38.6
>>> The way I have the chainline biased for minimum Q-factor, that
>>> effectively gives me a 1x10 in the big ring that will cover 60 - 100 gear
>>> inches.  I'll avoid the smallest three cogs with the 30T chainring.  The
>>> largest 7 cogs spread evenly over the 40 - 55 inch range.
>>>
>>> I haven't confirmed how well this indexes in the stand, but I'll check
>>> that out shortly.  The on-the-road question I will ask myself will be
>>> whether I find the steps between gears annoyingly TOO SMALL.
>>>
>>> It definitely looks cool
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I bought six Shimano HG500 10 speed cassettes.  Three of the 12-28 size
 and three of the 11-32 size.

 I ground off the heads of the rivets holding the cogs together, and
 pulled the cogs apart, and now I have the sweet beginnings of a fully
 stocked cog board.  The two cassettes yield:

 11T lockring
 12T lockring
 11T first position
 12T first position
 12T second position
 13T second position
 2x 14T flat
 15T flat
 16T flat
 17T flat
 18T flat
 19T flat
 20T flat
 21T flat
 22T flat
 23T flat
 2x 25T flat
 28T flat
 28T beveled
 32T beveled

 Lots of 10 speed spacers

 The 11-32 cogs have some weird discoloration, like maybe they get
 washed after assembly and the moisture got trapped.  Whatever.

 If anybody wants to buy a very hard to find 20T or 22T Shimano 10 speed
 cog, I would sell one of each, two cogs for $25 shipped.  I'll even throw
 in two spacers.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Paul. Aye, at least my prototype has a threadless headset, which I 
think remains true of the production frame. My saddle is a Berthoud. I live 
on Pikes Peak.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:22:42 AM UTC-6, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Patrick,
>
> Bike and photos looks amazing. 
>
> Gus has a Threadless headset? What hard piece of wood saddle do you have 
> on there?
>
> And where are you anyway? Looks beautiful.
>
> Paul
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[RBW] Re: 59cm Atlantis (current model)

[Adam Leibow]

Hi Bryan,

If Steve is correct that your PBH is 87.5cm, then you and I have the same 
exact PBH figure. I have owned both the 59cm MIT Atlantis and now own the 
55cm MIT Atlantis. The 59 is a BIG 59. I was able to fit well but had less 
than 1cm of standover (with big 2.3" tires). 

I sold it and later replaced it with the 55, which is a better fit FOR ME 
as a mountain bike. I am 5'-9" tall with very long legs for my height. How 
tall are you? The 59cm might suit you better in the reach department if you 
are lanky, but if you are wary of minimal standover then 55 or 56 might be 
more appropriate. 

Feel free to reach out if you have specific questions since my experience 
might be relevant to you.

-Adam



On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:22:21 AM UTC-7, Bryan Quinn wrote:
>
> Hello- I’m wondering if anyone on this list would be kind enough to point 
> me in a direction where I can find the current standover height for the 
> 59cm Atlantis. The table provided by Rivendell seems to leave it blank, at 
> least the ones I have seen. I do realize there is some variation based on 
> tire size so there is no perfect answer, just trying to get close. I’ve 
> been able to use a website called “bike insights” to compare a 59cm 2019 
> Atlantis with my current non-Rivendell bike, but I’m not sure how accurate 
> it is. Thank you! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Every cog size Shimano 10 speed cog collection

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore said: "My own ideal dirt road cogsets are very similar, only 
starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and adding a 25 or 26 at 
the back."

What chainrings do you use with this ideal 10-speed 13-25/6?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 10-speed straight block! It's beautiful. My own ideal dirt road cogsets 
> are very similar, only starting with a 13 and swapping the 21 for a 22 and 
> adding a 25 or 26 at the back.
>
> The only closer-ratio cogset is the secret "Polish Team17 X 17" cogset, 
> with apologies to Poles everywhere.
>
> My own experience, not extensive, with index-shifting home-made cogsets is 
> that they work pretty well post-7-speed. You might have to very slightly 
> overshift on certain cogs, but not to the point where it's annoying -- 
> certainly no worse than OEM Shimano XT stock 7-speed indexing.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0777.jpg]
>> Here's my first proof-of-existence of a cassette that does not exist as 
>> an off the shelf product:  It's a 100% Shimano HG500, 10 speed, 12-21 
>> straight block.  
>>
>> On my Rivendell Roadeo, with a 46/30 crankset, that will give me the 
>> following gears:
>>
>> 46 30 
>> 12 103.5 67.5 
>> 13 95.6 62.3 
>> 14 88.7 57.9 
>> 15 82.8 54 
>> 16 77.6 50.6 
>> 17 73.1 47.7 
>> 18 69 45 
>> 19 65.4 42.6 
>> 20 62.1 40.5 
>> 21 59.2 38.6 
>> The way I have the chainline biased for minimum Q-factor, that 
>> effectively gives me a 1x10 in the big ring that will cover 60 - 100 gear 
>> inches.  I'll avoid the smallest three cogs with the 30T chainring.  The 
>> largest 7 cogs spread evenly over the 40 - 55 inch range.  
>>
>> I haven't confirmed how well this indexes in the stand, but I'll check 
>> that out shortly.  The on-the-road question I will ask myself will be 
>> whether I find the steps between gears annoyingly TOO SMALL.
>>
>> It definitely looks cool
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:42:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought six Shimano HG500 10 speed cassettes.  Three of the 12-28 size 
>>> and three of the 11-32 size.  
>>>
>>> I ground off the heads of the rivets holding the cogs together, and 
>>> pulled the cogs apart, and now I have the sweet beginnings of a fully 
>>> stocked cog board.  The two cassettes yield:
>>>
>>> 11T lockring
>>> 12T lockring
>>> 11T first position
>>> 12T first position
>>> 12T second position
>>> 13T second position
>>> 2x 14T flat
>>> 15T flat
>>> 16T flat
>>> 17T flat
>>> 18T flat
>>> 19T flat
>>> 20T flat
>>> 21T flat
>>> 22T flat
>>> 23T flat
>>> 2x 25T flat
>>> 28T flat
>>> 28T beveled 
>>> 32T beveled
>>>
>>> Lots of 10 speed spacers
>>>
>>> The 11-32 cogs have some weird discoloration, like maybe they get washed 
>>> after assembly and the moisture got trapped.  Whatever. 
>>>
>>> If anybody wants to buy a very hard to find 20T or 22T Shimano 10 speed 
>>> cog, I would sell one of each, two cogs for $25 shipped.  I'll even throw 
>>> in two spacers.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> [image: unnamed.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Michael Iauch]

Hey Mark, 

The tires are 44s (42 actual) and the frame is a 610. I only have about 3mm 
clearance on either side in the rear... but I just took it on a three day 
gravel/fire road tour from Boone to Black Mountain and it rode great. No 
problems so far!

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 2:19:19 PM UTC-4, esoterica etc wrote:
>
>
> Michael,
>
> My goodness! What size tires are those, and what kind of Miyata is that 
> that allows you to run such huge tires?
>
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On Jun 11, 2020, at 12:36, Michael Iauch  > wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
> morning ride along the watauga river Boone, NC
>
>
> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>> Why do many of us feel compelled to share pics from our rides?
>>
>> From my perspective a good bike ride is just so enjoyable on a variety of 
>> levels I just want to share it. 
>>
>> Some things that come to mind are that a good ride can be:
>> therapeutic, de-stressing, 
>> good exercise, renewing,
>> peaceful, recharging of the batteries,
>> inspiring, and restorative. 
>> (Ok, some of these mean the same thing.)
>>
>> I'm sure many of you are of a similar mind and have insights and pics to 
>> share of what a good ride does for you and you don't want to keep it to 
>> yourself but share it.
>>
>> It's not like we haven't already been doing this over the years already 
>> but I didn't have a specific thread to go to on the Riv list so I just 
>> started this one.
>>
>> I built this bike frame up for a friend the last few days and decided to 
>> go on a 10 mile shake down ride to check it over.
>>
>> Please share your pics and perspectives.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
>> [image: Image]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Ted: Wrestling in prayer not to jerk the thread onto a tangent, but giving
in to sin with the consolation that the tangent isn't irrelevant: Do you
find that the best GB and RH clinchers perform (criteria: rolling
resistance, at least perceived, and cushioning over bumps of any sort) as
well as tubulars? If no, can you explicate?

Thanks. Patrick "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" Moore, in full confidence of
the group's absolution.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:51 AM ted  wrote:

> Trying is knowing. Do it.
>
> After riding strictly on tubulars for a couple decades I went back to
> clinches and never got results I was really happy with till I tried a pair
> of Grand Boise extralights I bought from Compass bikes (before JH
> introduced his like of tires). If you are at all interested in RH tires, I
> encourage you to try them. They were around and used very successfully by
> many folks before TC versions were even available.
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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[John Philip]

Meant to add that I used a Wavie on my XL using that stem and it's working 
out well for me.

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:17:14 PM UTC-4, Andrew Nussbaum wrote:
>
> +1 on the Cigne stem and production bars custom bent by Blacksheep. I have 
> a Cigne stem on my Super Grizzly 
>  paired to Thomson titanium 
> bars custom bent by James. The combination is so comfortable. 
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:22:42 AM UTC-6, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Hello Patrick,
>>
>> Bike and photos looks amazing. 
>>
>> Gus has a Threadless headset? What hard piece of wood saddle do you have 
>> on there?
>>
>> And where are you anyway? Looks beautiful.
>>
>> Paul
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Steve Palincsar]

You most certainly do not need to run a tubeless compatible tire 
tubeless.  They're just fine with tubes.


On 6/15/20 10:16 AM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:


I don't believe you /need/ to run RH tubeless-compatible tires 
tubeless. These tires have a special bead that has been designed for 
tubeless installation and use, but are otherwise identical to their 
brethren that are not tubeless-compatible.


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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[ted]

Trying is knowing. Do it.

After riding strictly on tubulars for a couple decades I went back to 
clinches and never got results I was really happy with till I tried a pair 
of Grand Boise extralights I bought from Compass bikes (before JH 
introduced his like of tires). If you are at all interested in RH tires, I 
encourage you to try them. They were around and used very successfully by 
many folks before TC versions were even available.

I've had GrandBois extralight 32s, Soma GR (similarly "fragile" ~41mm), and 
two sets of Compass/RH extralight 38s on my 650b AHH. All run with tubes. I 
don't keep good records but I feel like I rarely get flats. Certainly go 
months at a time without one. I think I've had two sidewall cuts in my 
entire life, and one of those was on a continental "gatorskin".

My experience has been that the number of flats I get (using tubes) depends 
more on where and how I ride than it does on what tires I use. Most of the 
flats I get are from sharp thorns or debris that when pulled from the tire 
look like something that would have gone through any tire I would like to 
ride. E.g. riding continental gator skins didn't seem any more flat proof 
than light (no belt) Jack Browns, or Compass/RH extralights when I was 
commuting.

Abhorrence of goat heads, and the roadside debris that rains seem to bring 
onto the roadsides has me experimenting with tubeless on my BMC RoadPlus 
(WTB Byways set up by Mike V). For some conditions, I do like the sense of 
invulnerability they give me. But the set up with tubes is working so well 
on my AHH that, despite having wheels that give me the option, I'm not 
really considering changing that bike to tubeless.

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:37:46 AM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Mike Packard]

I got over 2 years out of my rear RH barlow pass and am well past 3 on the 
front one. Flats are nowhere near the problem I thought they would be. 
Mostly riding commute/urban roads. Do it, you won't regret it.

mike




On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:37:46 AM UTC-5, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Custom Paint Color Help

[Wally Estrella]

Any color other than orange will just make the bike slow.  But, you already 
new that ;)  Can't what to see this refreshed Ent!


On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:36:22 AM UTC-4, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch, 
>
> The bottom bracket shell replacement on my Quickbeam is going well and it 
> will be headed to wet paint at Black Magic Paint next week. I could use 
> some advice. 
>
> For a while I had planned on going with a version of Mark’s custom pink. 
> Next I was convinced that it should be a PurpleRiv purple. Then I settled 
> on a very slightly metallic British Racing Green, as an homage to the 
> original QB green and the to Ents the world over. 
>
> Now that the time has come, I’m not so sure anymore. Also, I’m slightly 
> color blind, so colors are not my strong suit. 
>
> Design constraints: 
> 1. I can go with a single coat, or add a 2nd color for the head tube. 
> 2. It will sport the original decals and head badge (gold with cream). 
> 3. I want it to be a color that’s in keeping with the Riv aesthetic and 
> color pallet. 
>
> Any thoughts or recommendations? 
>
> Isaac in Portland OR

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 6/15/20 9:37 AM, Brady Smith wrote:

I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them due 
to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have tubeless-compatible 
rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually runs his tubed, and I’ve 
encountered other people doing the same. Since there are lots of Herse-users 
here, I thought I’d ask about your experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do 
you flat?



I've been using Compass / Herse EL tires for a long time. Several years 
in 700x32C, probably around 10,000 miles on my Johnny Coast-built Velo 
Orange Randonneur, and the last 5500 miles with the 650Bx38s with my JP 
Weigle.  Always with tubes, I have no interest in going tubeless.  There 
are some older rims that don't coexist well with tubeless-compatible 
tires (a noteworthy example is the MA-40) but that's not a durability 
issue, it's that you just can't get the tires onto the rims they're so 
tight.


I'm not sure what you mean by "durability."  In general, as far as 
flats, scuffs and wear are concerned in my experience they stand up 
about the same as non-belted Paselas.  They're not a short-lived "event" 
tire and at least in my usage they've not been fragile.  (Note that I 
don't ride offroad on fire roads lined with sharp rocks the size of 
softballs, I ride paved and sometimes unpaved roads and have never had 
sidewall tear issues.)


As far as flats are concerned, as has been pointed out that's a crap 
shoot, but the frequency of flats does depend to some extent on how far 
down you wear your tires.  In the past, my long-term average was 
something like one flat every thousand miles with Paselas, Grand Bois 
Cypres and Compass / Herse tires.  But I would typically run my tires 
until they were squared off or worn down enough that the center of the 
tread was noticeably thinner than the adjacent tread shoulders.


Then about a year and a half ago I started taking a medication that has 
a major side effect of causing muscle cramps.  They can happen most 
anywhere -- sometimes like the typical leg cramps that cyclists know so 
well, but also they can affect the hands, especially the fingers.  These 
finger cramps are strange -- sometimes people describe them as "almost 
amusing" -- kind of resembling "trigger finger" where a finger will 
lock, pointed off in a weird direction, and can't move without first 
being "broken loose" with the other hand.  Although most anything can 
kick one off, stretching the fingers into unusual positions or trying to 
exert a lot of force will frequently trigger them.


Like, for example, trying to fix a flat by the side of the road. And the 
faster you try to go, the more likely to trigger a cramp that will make 
a hand useless and getting a tire on or off temporarily impossible.  
Curiously, changing tires or tubes at leisure at home is much less 
likely to trigger a hand cramp than doing so in the field by the side of 
the road.


So for the past year I've been trying to avoid flats by changing tires 
before the tread gets so thin they become easy to puncture.   With the 
Compass / Herse tires, that means replacing a tire when the center tread 
lines completely disappear.  With the Loup Loup Pass 650Bx38 tires, 
that's typically somewhere between 2,000 and 2,500 miles.  At that 
point, the center of the tread feels about the same thickness as the 
tread shoulders.  Since I started doing that, I've had no flats, and 
although the Weigle has a beautiful seatstay-mounted pump I've never 
once had to use it.


I'm accumulating a nice collection of tires that at one time I would 
have said had at minimum hundreds of miles of life left in them, 
possibly even a thousand miles of life left.  This flying in the face of 
frugality used to bother me.  But, having experienced it when I first 
started taking this medication, I know that the frustration and 
discomfort of having my hands become useless while I'm trying to change 
a flat by the side of the road bothers me a lot more.



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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Andrew Nussbaum]

+1 on the Cigne stem and production bars custom bent by Blacksheep. I have 
a Cigne stem on my Super Grizzly 
 paired to Thomson titanium 
bars custom bent by James. The combination is so comfortable. 

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>
> Hello Patrick,
>
> Bike and photos looks amazing. 
>
> Gus has a Threadless headset? What hard piece of wood saddle do you have 
> on there?
>
> And where are you anyway? Looks beautiful.
>
> Paul
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[RBW] FS: Bagsxbird goldback large

[Conway Bennett]

Dibs?  I was just about to post some bags for sale so this might just be a 
lateral move but in a rackless direction.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Specialties TA Handlebar Bottle Cage

[Patrick Moore]

Minoura makes several different models of bar clamps for 1 or 2 cages,
including QR models. Many bike shops carry these. Other mfrs also make
them, and cheap cages with clamps attached are commonly on display too.

But none have the cachet of TA cages. And one good thing about the TAs --
or, if you prefer, problem with the alternatives currently manufactured --
is that the TA cages hold the bottles low, while the alternatives make them
stand up too high above the bar, IMO. Not a horrible defect, but one that
does make the cages tend to rotate downward if they are not clamped very
tight, and one that makes removal and replacement of the bottle a bit more
awkward.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:21 AM Jon B  wrote:

> For future reference, Velo-Orange and others sell a little clamp that
> allows you to attach a "normal" water bottle cage to handlebars.  I have
> used them to mount other things but not actually for the intended purpose.
>
> Jon Blum
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to John for offering his TA bottle cage!  Found what I need.
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[RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[David Carner]

Baby Shoe Pass: 1pair standard, 1 pair EL
Schwalbe extra light tubes
80/20 pavement/gravel 
5 flats in 6000 km (3 standard, 2 EL)

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Patrick Moore]

I use the paper thin Elk Pass, which is for tubes only, in goathead
country. Without inadequate sealant -- OS Endurance -- in the tubes, I get
a rear flat every 10 miles or so; without sealant that would probably
double to the rate -- about 1 every 5 miles -- suffered with the Parigi
Roubaix tires that first convinced me to use sealant. With good sealant --
OS regular formula -- the rate of flats that require me to stop and do
something goes down to less than a 1-hand count per year; I daresay I'm
getting punctures all the time, but OS regular seals them quickly and
perfectly so that I don't notice them.

(FWIW, as I've said before, OS Endurance works wonderfully in low-pressure,
paper-thin fat tires mounted tubeless, lasts a bit longer than regular, and
leaves less residue, and that a very thin film which seems itself to be a
thorn -- well, not a barrier, but a barrier to air leaking out from the
holes they cause.)

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:37 AM Brady Smith  wrote:

> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[hugh flynn]

I currently have 6 sets of Rene Herse/Compass tires in use in extralight
and standard casing on 26", 650B, and 700c wheels and I have yet to
actually run any tubeless.  I do have several sets of tubeless wheels on
hand but I've just been too lazy and gunk averse to bother trying with
tubeless. I'll likely set up my son's gravel bike tubeless with a set of
switchback hill (650b x 48mm) at some point this summer though.

As others have noted...flats are a roll of the dice situation. What I can
offer is that I find no appreciable difference between Rene Herse tires and
anything else I've run in the past with regard to flat frequency (not much
- but now that I've said it out loud I'm doomed).

I am not easy on these tires by any means, and I've been massively
impressed by how they hold up. I have a set of Extralight Snoqualmie
(700x44) tires that have been on my Appaloosa for the last two years that
have held up great (and I ride that thing EVERYWHERE). My first set of
Compass tires (Extralight Barlow Pass/700 x 38) was purchased 5 years ago,
have seen me through multiple backwoods tours on a loaded LHT, and are
currently doing road duty on my fixed gear cross-check. I'm mostly moving
to standard casing when buying new tires now (just to have a little more
rubber on the tires), but my experience with the extralights has certainly
been surprising.

So, as with all things tire-related, your mileage may vary, but I've sure
been thrilled by the ride and durability of my Rene Herse tires
with tubes.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:22 AM Dean Henderson  wrote:

> I’ve been running Loup Loup Pass (650B x 38) extra light casing tires with
> tubes on my Homer Hilsen. Over 1000 miles on a combination of paved &
> gravel roads with no problems.
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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Eric Floden]

I have tubed (non-EL) Compass tires as follows:

- 44 x 700 on my Bomba ridden 80% pavement, 20% gravel, just fine. No flats
in 3000km
- 38 x 700 road tires on my MEC Cote, ridden in eastern Ontario on 60%
dirt/gravel. No flats in 3000 km
- 32 x 700 road tires on my Gilles Bertrand road bike, 50/50, two flats in
4000km
- 1.75 x 26 on wife's LHT, no flats in 3000km all pavement

I weigh 100 kg but think I ride light, often getting out saddle for rough
stuff. I am happy with Compass/Herse!

Eric F
Vancouver BC (and Golden Lake ON)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all, first of all for the bird ID and the link, and secondly for
answering my naive question about snapshotting birds in takeoff.

I think that the birds in question are indeed snowy egrets. Interesting;
they're new to the area, or at least much more common now. I saw none last
year. I first noticed the herons, IIRC, about 2013 or 2014; again, before
that, not in evidence.

I wonder if climate change (generally, not just here) explains their
arrival. Changes in habitat have certainly made the quail go away; they
used to be very common 20 years ago.

At least 2 sorts hawks are also common here, the most common being the red
tailed hawk.

I recall how robins started showing up in spring in my parents' backyard
some 10 years ago; before then, I'd not seen one. And the long-tailed
grackles (?) seem to have appeared and disappeared in the last 6 or 7 or so
years.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 7:58 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> To add more specifics to answer your question:
>
> - a 100-200 mm telephoto lens (minimum) and tripod go a long way to making
> fruitful a wait in a well chosen hide. These are, of course, unwieldy and
> impractical for impromptu shots on a bike. Grin.
>
> - Short the above, an inexpensive point and shoot camera with image
> stabalization and decent telephoto (Canon Elph 180 or 190) are a quickdraw
> solution with a reasonable chance of success if kept in a handlebar "feed"
> style bag.
>
> Those are the only two practical suggestions I have. In general, a mobile
> phone won't cut it for any but the lucky (or unlucky, if you get too close
> to the bear/moose/elk/couger/badger...) encounter with wildlife that pose.
> And, sometimes, they do.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Hours of patience or dumb luck, neither of which guarantee results other
>> than photos that look like proof of bigfoot, which is to say and
>> indiscernable blob. That is why I prefer to hunt flowers and trees and snow
>> and rain and landscapes. I'm fat and lazy. Grin. I see bald and goalden
>> eagles, perigrin, osprey, bats, owles, herons, cranes, song birds of too
>> many varieties to fathom, hummingbirds, and many others, and almost never
>> try to photograph them.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly
>>> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 59cm Atlantis (current model)

[Steve Cole]

Bryan,

I think you made there right call.  I see from your post on the other item 
that you have a PBH of 87.5.  Mine is 86 and I have a 55 cm MIT Atlantis. 
 I find that I am on the edge of this bike although it is very comfortable. 
 I say the edge because the 250 mm seat post is at its max extension.  I 
could and might go to a 300 mm seat post, but don't see that as urgent. 
 I'm fairly confident you'll be very pleased with the 59 cm.  And, the 
bonus is you get that wonderful arched second top tube.  I'm a little 
jealous.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA


On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:22:21 AM UTC-4, Bryan Quinn wrote:
>
> Hello- I’m wondering if anyone on this list would be kind enough to point 
> me in a direction where I can find the current standover height for the 
> 59cm Atlantis. The table provided by Rivendell seems to leave it blank, at 
> least the ones I have seen. I do realize there is some variation based on 
> tire size so there is no perfect answer, just trying to get close. I’ve 
> been able to use a website called “bike insights” to compare a 59cm 2019 
> Atlantis with my current non-Rivendell bike, but I’m not sure how accurate 
> it is. Thank you! 

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

I'm a little slow so I still have no idea who you are Kim, Flowerfang. But, 
all RivSisters are cool and riding Rivs is cool.
Doug Hansford
"Not anonymous in Watkinsville, GA" #RivBro

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>
> Haha. busted. 
> I so wish I was humble!
> I think I’m on eBay for $5. 
> think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)
>
> I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the 
> klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really 
> advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a 
> lot here, so thank you!
> I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew I 
> loved the klunker vids. btw.)
>
> BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day now.
> (Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed up.) 
>
> Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
> ✊
>
> (Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I think. 
> Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink dirtdrop I 
> just might have to gift you.)
>
> On Friday, June 12, 2020, Joe Bernard > 
> wrote:
>
>> "Kim, you’re so humble. You should tell them who you really are! I think 
>> there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."
>>
>> Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)
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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hello Patrick,

Bike and photos looks amazing. 

Gus has a Threadless headset? What hard piece of wood saddle do you have on 
there?

And where are you anyway? Looks beautiful.

Paul

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Dan Vee]

Ahh just checked out your blog story makes me want one of those Bikes

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[RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Dean Henderson]

I’ve been running Loup Loup Pass (650B x 38) extra light casing tires with 
tubes on my Homer Hilsen. Over 1000 miles on a combination of paved & gravel 
roads with no problems. 

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[RBW] FS: Bagsxbird goldback large

[Isaiah Kramer]

New, never used, just mounted once to test fit. Comes with foam spacers and 
voile straps. Khaki xpac.

$225 shipped

Pics to come

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Brian David Lewis-Jones]

I've had 3-4 flats in 3 sets of Bon Jon Passes, over roughly ~10,000 miles 
- some city riding, but mostly country miles. I run tubes in mine all the 
time. A single tire lasts me roughly 3k miles, although some people take 
them past 4k.

I suspect that if I were tubeless I'd have the confidence to take them past 
what I currently see as my "turn back point."



On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:47:26 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I run tubes in mine.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-6, Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
>> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
>> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
>> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
>> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
>> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
>> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
>> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
>> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
>> on. Thoughts? Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr Disc 59

[jstewse]

Bumping this thread in case anyone has the urge for a big Clem Smith.

I think I have to stick to $800 shipped, this is a big bike and likely 
won't be cheap to put in the mail.


Please let me know if you're interested, thanks!


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[RBW] 59cm Atlantis (current model)

[Bryan Quinn]

Hello- I’m wondering if anyone on this list would be kind enough to point me in 
a direction where I can find the current standover height for the 59cm 
Atlantis. The table provided by Rivendell seems to leave it blank, at least the 
ones I have seen. I do realize there is some variation based on tire size so 
there is no perfect answer, just trying to get close. I’ve been able to use a 
website called “bike insights” to compare a 59cm 2019 Atlantis with my current 
non-Rivendell bike, but I’m not sure how accurate it is. Thank you! 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Specialties TA Handlebar Bottle Cage

[Jon B]

For future reference, Velo-Orange and others sell a little clamp that 
allows you to attach a "normal" water bottle cage to handlebars.  I have 
used them to mount other things but not actually for the intended purpose.

Jon Blum

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
>
> Thanks to John for offering his TA bottle cage!  Found what I need.
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks vs Berthoud Saddle Setback

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Nate,

Gotcha. My first thought was that I like my Berthoud saddle, but it 
wouldn't have given me enough room to move back without the S84 seat post.

If you need still more setback with the Berthoud, maybe look into the IRD 
Wayback Seatpost? Comes in diameters 26.8mm, 27.0mm & 27.2mm.


https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/product/ird-seatpost-wayback-2418?search=seatpost

Good luck!

John




On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:53:36 PM UTC-7, Nate in Oakland wrote:
>
> Hi John, 
> I currently have the S83 (26.8) on my Atlantis.  I actually own a 
> beautifully lugged S84, but that lives on my Sam since it is a 27.2 and 
> won’t fit in my Atlantis’ seat tube.  That’s probably why I don’t have this 
> issue with my Sam on drop bars! 
>
> Andrew, 
> Gorgeous!  Can’t wait to get Craig’s saddle! 
>
> Nate

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[RBW] FS: Hubbuhubbuh frame (Medium / Orange)

[Adam Kimball]

Hi all,

Brand spanking new HH frame in Medium.  Color is orange. Includes frame, 
fork, headset, BB, and some hardware.  I will throw in two seat posts that 
I purchased at the same time.  I have the Silver tandem crankset and if you 
want it, let me know but it is NOT included in this price though you will 
see it in a picture or two.

Taken out of the Rivendell box only for pictures and put back in with some 
additional protection.  Selling because I ended up with a small that fits 
just about perfectly and though I'd way prefer the orange, it's gotta fit.  

$1750 of best offer.  Shipping will be by bike flights and will be the 
actual price shipped to you including insurance.  If you are near me (and I 
am in Boise, ID) we can talk about a pickup/meetup.

Plenty of pictures here . Reach out with any 
questions.

Be safe and well,
Adam

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[RBW] first impressions of Atlantis

[Bryan Quinn]

Thanks for all these details you provided about your new Atlantis. How do you 
find the standover height for you? I just bought the 59cm and expect it 
sometime in the next few weeks. This will be my first Rivendell. I’m curious 
because my PBH is a shoeless 87.5 and I’m hoping I made the right call. I’ve 
got a longer torso than most and was on the edge between the 55 and the 59. 

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[RBW] Re: Leather saddle recommendation for upright Sam H?

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hi John.

How long did it take to break in the Vars? Does it get flexible over time 
like a B17 does?

Paul

On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 12:10:58 PM UTC-4, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Maybe take a look at the Ergon ST Core Prime? I have friends who like 
> these one their errand/urban bikes.
>
> I use a Berthoud Vars, but you already said you found Berthouds too hard.
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:36:30 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone!
>>
>> I'm rebuilding an older double top-tube Sam Hillborne from the frame up, 
>> and I'm struggling to find a comfortable leather saddle for an upright 
>> ride. I don't mean "kinda upright", I mean straight back like a dutch bike 
>> for errands and trips around time — achieving this with a Bosco bar and 
>> super long Nitto tectonic stem pushed all the way up.
>>
>> I'm 175 lbs, 5'11" and have 115mm sitbones and normally ride a Fizik 
>> Aliante or B17 Narrow on my more aggressive bikes... but putting either of 
>> those saddles on the upright doesn't work. My sitbones fall off, and I'm 
>> riding on "soft tissue". Ouch. 
>>
>> Other saddles that have not worked:
>>
>>- B17/Flyer: Too narrow. Sit bones fall off the edge, and upturned 
>>nose pokes in a bad place.
>>- B68: Too wide, chafes a bit, and slippery. 
>>- Berthoud Mente: Hard as a rock, and possibly a little too wide 
>>(hard to tell as it is so hard).
>>- Brooks Cambium C19: Sit area curves down so much on the sides it's 
>>really no wider than a C15 — or B17.
>>- Rivet Loveland: Ditto.
>>
>> What sort of of works:
>>
>>- 170mm wide Brompton "Wide version" foam saddle I pilfered from my 
>>wife's folding bike. Feels pretty good. But really, really dumb looking 
>> on 
>>the Sam. I strongly prefer a leather saddle as the bike is turning out 
>>quite lovely, and looks do count!
>>
>> Any suggestions? 
>>
>> PS: If someone has a tried and true way to break in the Berthoud, I might 
>> do it. The issue is I'll never ride a century on this bike, and I'm afraid 
>> that breaking the Mente in the normal way will take a year or more.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Next Level Clementine

[kim young]

Haha. busted.
I so wish I was humble!
I think I’m on eBay for $5.
think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)

I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the
klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really
advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a
lot here, so thank you!
I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew I
loved the klunker vids. btw.)

BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day now.
(Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed up.)

Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
✊

(Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I think.
Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink dirtdrop I
just might have to gift you.)

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> there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."
>
> Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:37:46 AM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!


I don't believe you *need* to run RH tubeless-compatible tires tubeless. 
These tires have a special bead that has been designed for tubeless 
installation and use, but are otherwise identical to their brethren that 
are not tubeless-compatible.

I run my Naches Pass, Rat Trap Pass, Barlow Pass, and Stampede Pass tires 
all with tubes, because I don't feel like repeating a messy sealant 
incident. I don't get too many flats (1-2/month?) and can't feel the lower 
rolling resistance from running them tubeless anyhow. YMMV, of course. Oh, 
my commuter has Naches Pass tires, so at least those aren't babied as a 
fair-weather steed. Life's too short to not be running supple tires. LOL

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I've got some HUGE albatross bars (66cm wide) custom bent by Blacksheep 
Cycles (James)


The wide-ness proved to stabilize nicely on faster/rocky descents and I 
plan on using a Nitto V-4/quill adapter for my Susie Wolbis.  There was a 
quill bull moose stem in the works but it sadly got scrapped by Nitto due 
to complexity/PITA factor.


Alex Waiting-ever-so-patiently-for-my-Susie in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I run mine with tubesand some with tubes & sealant (touring variant)


I've gone two weeks and sliced a tire on some razor wire (why that was on 
the side of the road??)


I've also gone two seasons without a single flat on Snoqualmie Passes; in 
mostly urban riding.


Flats are somewhat based on luck and/or karma IMHO



Alex in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Bill Fulford]

I’m quite confused about the handlebar set up with my Gus Boots WILLsen. How 
would waivie bars with the nitto v4 work. I like a little forward lean as to 
not have too much weight on the saddle. Tough decisions.

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I run tubes in mine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-6, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[Brady Smith]

I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them due 
to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have tubeless-compatible 
rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually runs his tubed, and I’ve 
encountered other people doing the same. Since there are lots of Herse-users 
here, I thought I’d ask about your experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do 
you flat? I’m thinking about a set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my 
BMC Monster Cross. These would be summer fun tires for suburban and country 
roads. When it’s back to commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my 
Pasela Protites back on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Too narrow, too far forward, too low for me. You'd lose the sweet spot of 
upright riding.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:56:57 AM UTC-6, Jesse wrote:
>
> Hey DP. I agree with you about parallel-ish bars being not-great on 
> technical descents. I mean, with the exception of dirt drops, but that's a 
> whole other can of worms.
>
> For those that prefer a swept back bar, but still require a 
> confidence-inspiring descending position, what about running Boscos with 
> inline levers in the front? Too narrow up there to be useful for 
> descending, you think? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Jesse]

Hey DP. I agree with you about parallel-ish bars being not-great on 
technical descents. I mean, with the exception of dirt drops, but that's a 
whole other can of worms.

For those that prefer a swept back bar, but still require a 
confidence-inspiring descending position, what about running Boscos with 
inline levers in the front? Too narrow up there to be useful for 
descending, you think? 

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[ascpgh]

Birthday ride out the GAP and back in time for afternoon observances and 
dinner. 

I was downstaffed for the day due to low census at 0915 after being called 
off the first four hours at 0500 so I felt obligated to do the most 
opposite thing I could. One of my bigger rides on my Coast Rando yet and 
not disappointed at all. This was the mid ground of what I envisioned 
riding when I picked the bike and its spec. It just flies and eats the 
miles. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nx6kSQvnnohcoq4n8

I stopped at a convenience store about 33 miles from home that I always 
patronize after meeting the owner the other summer. He had insisted my 
young friend and I not obey his sign's instructions to park bikes in a rack 
off to the side in a pouring rainstorm but rather we lean them against the 
front windows where there was a bit of cover then come inside with him 
where he made us hot tea and we chatted until the downpour relented. He 
told us about immigrating from India and buying the store. He said the 
cyclists are great and the locals of the "coal holler" community along the 
Youghiogheny River get it and are so as well. 

Hospitality goes a long way and I make sure to reward his human concern for 
us that afternoon with my continued patronage. It made a nice end point of 
my ride out and visit before I turned back.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
> Why do many of us feel compelled to share pics from our rides?
>
> From my perspective a good bike ride is just so enjoyable on a variety of 
> levels I just want to share it. 
>
> Some things that come to mind are that a good ride can be:
> therapeutic, de-stressing, 
> good exercise, renewing,
> peaceful, recharging of the batteries,
> inspiring, and restorative. 
> (Ok, some of these mean the same thing.)
>
> I'm sure many of you are of a similar mind and have insights and pics to 
> share of what a good ride does for you and you don't want to keep it to 
> yourself but share it.
>
> It's not like we haven't already been doing this over the years already 
> but I didn't have a specific thread to go to on the Riv list so I just 
> started this one.
>
> I built this bike frame up for a friend the last few days and decided to 
> go on a 10 mile shake down ride to check it over.
>
> Please share your pics and perspectives.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
> [image: Image]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lowrider racks on MIT Atlantis?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Andrew

Your experience and engineering explanation backs up what Bruce Gordon 
said.  He was referring to the hoop disturbing the rotational stresses.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ




On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:30:53 AM UTC-4, Andrew Letton wrote:
>
> On the topic of hoopless:
>
> I bought the first generation (hoopless) Rivendell/Nitto Hub Area Rack 
> (HAR) and installed it on my Bombadil right before we moved to the southern 
> hemisphere (NZ then Oz). I also have the Platrack on a Nitto Mini-Front 
> 32F above it. I was concerned about the strength/stiffness of a hoopless 
> lowrider, but I thought that struts from the outer edges of the Platrack 
> down to the top corners of the HAR would offer enough lateral support.
>
> I was wrong. 
>
> After only about 10 days of touring, one of the fork end bosses where the 
> right HAR was mounted broke off!
>
> <*Donning Engineering Hat>  *When a hoopless lowrider is mounted at only 
> two points (fork end and mid-fork), those two points define an axis around 
> which the rack can rotate, putting some pretty severe torsional loads on 
> the bosses. (I discussed this with Grant and Mark during the development of 
> the HAR, and I think that is in part what led to the second gen hooped 
> version.) It is not the stiffness of the rack itself that it the issue; it 
> is the fact that without the third mounting support of a hoop, the 
> side-to-side wobbling of loaded panniers puts high stresses on the two 
> mounting points on the fork.
>
> The only way I will ever use a hoopless lowrider again will be if it uses 
> a through-the-fork upper mount with rack struts going to both the inner and 
> outer sides of the fork blade, like the Nitto rack on the Crust shown on 
> the Blue-Lug site and like the rare (late 80's?) Blackburn hoopless 
> lowriders.
>
> As for my Bombadil (photo attached), I haven't yet had the fork boss 
> repaired, but I was able to kluge up a fork end mount with a P-clamp and I 
> added a hoop (from an old Blackburn lowrider) using a couple more small 
> P-clamps. Not elegant, but it works.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 07:15:08 AM GMT+10, dougP  > wrote: 
>
>
> Dave's problem looks to be solved.  I do want to throw in a couple of 
> things about Tubus racks:
>
> 1.  The quoted 165 mm fork tip to mid-fork is what Tubus uses.  It is a 
> commonly used dimension but hardly universal.  Case in point being Bruce 
> Gordon racks. The mid fork mount MUST be correctly located for the Duo to 
> sit level.  While the Duo has 3 mounting holes, the adjustment is limited.
>
> 2. An advantage of the Tara is it can be used with a bolt on mid fork 
> mount.  No eyelet needed.
>
> 3.  "Hoopless is hopeless" is a myth, despite being Bruce's stand on the 
> question.  The main tube on the Duo is a much larger diameter, and hence 
> inherently stiffer, than the tubing on the Tara, which has the hoop.  They 
> actually weigh about the same.  The Duo is stiff enough without the hoop.  
> I've used it with Ortlieb large back rollers, stuffed full for a lodging 
> trip.  The panniers are intended for rear mount & so have limited ground 
> clearance.  OK on pavement; not good on trails.
>
> dougP, (hopelessly hoopless)
>
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 7:25:33 PM UTC-7, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> Curious as to what lowriders people are using on Atlantii. Bonus points 
> for pix.  
>
> Brett in pdx
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