Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

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I think Marty is pretty close. I think Huffy sponsored a cyclocross team right 
around the time enthusiasm was building for the u.s. 1984 Olympics.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two-Bike Leah

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Fantastic!

Unless my monitor is way off, you were correct, it looks like the latest 
blue Sackvilles are a different blue--more yellow, with the original 
leaning toward a red bias. Looks awesome with the aqua-tine! (And the rack 
looks so pretty and useful. Wait till the first time you clamp something 
down with it !;^)

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 4:53:14 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I love your happy verbal descriptions, Roberta!  Relieved the color 
> isn’t seen as too wild - I love a blue Sackville bag for sure. 
>
> Mark, I’m always one to heed good advice, see following photos:.
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:45 PM, REC (Roberta)  > wrote:
>
> Love, love, love the color combo!  This is classy with *personality.*  The 
> Randi Jo bag with its vibrant colors is an added bonus. I have a feeling 
> that you'll be loving this bike even more tomorrow when you ride with these 
> bags.  Cheery-ness will be surrounding you.
>
>
> Monday, July 29, 2019 at 9:53:50 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>> The Backabike bags in “royal” came from Rivendell! Enclosed is a photo in 
>> the sun and a photo in the shade so you can see how the color looks. The 
>> Bananasax bag is the old blue, and I think I’m actually going to have my 
>> Randi Jo bag on the bars instead. I think I like the color combo? It’s not 
>> as classy as the gray would have been, but the blue is a prettier color of 
>> bag and with the aqua frame it’s definitely unique. No one will confuse me 
>> for anyone else! Lastly, my two bikes side by side a couple of weeks ago 
>> when my sister and I rode them on a Minneapolis bike highway. Those 
>> Minnesotans have it made. My sister’s Clem L arrives in the upcoming 
>> presale in chameleon green!
>>
>> I love my Clementine an unhealthy amount. I have a few things left to 
>> make it perfect, but I’ll get right on them when I get back to Vegas. On 
>> the list of ideas: New front rack, maybe a Nitto rear rack (we’ll see), fix 
>> the fender line (I got splashed at every puddle!), new pedals (I ordered 
>> from Riv and have them, just need them put on the bike), and maybedyno 
>> lighting. Not sure about that yet as I almost never night ride, but my Cygo 
>> lights are awful - 3 of my 4 have gone bad on me with minimal use. Maybe I 
>> should start a new thread about dyno lighting as I know next to nothing 
>> about it...
>>
>> Anyway, it’s wild fun to discuss new bike details with you all. Thanks 
>> for chatting with me!
>>
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leah. Yes and Yes. You can see the bags on the Clementine in the 
>> middle photo of my last post in this thread. I purchased both the pannier 
>> rails and the tail light mount for the Clem rack. May get the pump mount as 
>> well. I recommend the pannier rails as they position the bags a bit lower. 
>> I've carried some heavy stuff in the bags on this rack, no problem. 
>> Currently on my Trekendell, which is awaiting an overhaul and re-imagining 
>> this fall. If the Nitto is your desire and will make you happy, definitely 
>> go that way. But props to the Clem Rack, it's useful, and I think, 
>> attractive in an industrial, no-frills way.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 2:59 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark - did you have the Backabike bags on the Clem rack? Did you buy and 
>>> use the pannier rails for that Clem rack? Wondering if they work with the 
>>> Backabikes and if I should order them or just rig the Backabike to the top 
>>> of the rack...
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Two-Bike Leah

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think a Riv safety triangle from the back seat would add the perfect 
splash of complimentary color. I also sense that they do get some drivers 
to think just the teeny-tiniest bit. Which is something. Anyway, I have a 
couple in circulation and rarely pedal from home without one. Cheery, too!

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 12:45:08 AM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> Love, love, love the color combo!  This is classy with *personality.*  The 
> Randi Jo bag with its vibrant colors is an added bonus. I have a feeling 
> that you'll be loving this bike even more tomorrow when you ride with these 
> bags.  Cheery-ness will be surrounding you.
>
>
> Monday, July 29, 2019 at 9:53:50 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>> The Backabike bags in “royal” came from Rivendell! Enclosed is a photo in 
>> the sun and a photo in the shade so you can see how the color looks. The 
>> Bananasax bag is the old blue, and I think I’m actually going to have my 
>> Randi Jo bag on the bars instead. I think I like the color combo? It’s not 
>> as classy as the gray would have been, but the blue is a prettier color of 
>> bag and with the aqua frame it’s definitely unique. No one will confuse me 
>> for anyone else! Lastly, my two bikes side by side a couple of weeks ago 
>> when my sister and I rode them on a Minneapolis bike highway. Those 
>> Minnesotans have it made. My sister’s Clem L arrives in the upcoming 
>> presale in chameleon green!
>>
>> I love my Clementine an unhealthy amount. I have a few things left to 
>> make it perfect, but I’ll get right on them when I get back to Vegas. On 
>> the list of ideas: New front rack, maybe a Nitto rear rack (we’ll see), fix 
>> the fender line (I got splashed at every puddle!), new pedals (I ordered 
>> from Riv and have them, just need them put on the bike), and maybedyno 
>> lighting. Not sure about that yet as I almost never night ride, but my Cygo 
>> lights are awful - 3 of my 4 have gone bad on me with minimal use. Maybe I 
>> should start a new thread about dyno lighting as I know next to nothing 
>> about it...
>>
>> Anyway, it’s wild fun to discuss new bike details with you all. Thanks 
>> for chatting with me!
>>
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leah. Yes and Yes. You can see the bags on the Clementine in the 
>> middle photo of my last post in this thread. I purchased both the pannier 
>> rails and the tail light mount for the Clem rack. May get the pump mount as 
>> well. I recommend the pannier rails as they position the bags a bit lower. 
>> I've carried some heavy stuff in the bags on this rack, no problem. 
>> Currently on my Trekendell, which is awaiting an overhaul and re-imagining 
>> this fall. If the Nitto is your desire and will make you happy, definitely 
>> go that way. But props to the Clem Rack, it's useful, and I think, 
>> attractive in an industrial, no-frills way.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 2:59 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark - did you have the Backabike bags on the Clem rack? Did you buy and 
>>> use the pannier rails for that Clem rack? Wondering if they work with the 
>>> Backabikes and if I should order them or just rig the Backabike to the top 
>>> of the rack...
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: $700 Romulus (57cm) build in Hudson Valley.,NY

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Sorry for the tardy reply Spencer, just saw this. That's what I suspected, two 
different body types. My saddle is generally at 73 centimeters. Which means 
this bike I
s probably the perfect size for me. But as I said, I have other bikes that are 
too similar for me to be tempted by trying this one out. Hopefully I'll see you 
at the Meetup in Minnewaska this September!

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: $700 Romulus (57cm) build in Hudson Valley.,NY

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I did the Farmer's Daughter that year on a bike with centerpulls and 700 x 
38-43 tires (can't remember which set I had on at the time). The main 
problem with a non-canti or disc setup is the mud buildup under and along 
the brake arms. I hosed off at the rest stop after partaking of the 
whiskey-soaked Swedish Fish and pickle juice.

I saw this when you first listed it and was tempted as it's a great deal 
and I am the same size.I think just too many similar bikes, (though this 
one outclasses them). 

I suppose presumptuous of me to claim the bike was not a good fit. That 
would be based partly on my prejudices, including a dislike of super tall 
stems on a traditional drop bar bicycle.

I think maybe the angle of the photo, and the angle of the seat and the 
fact that the sides are cutaway, adds to the illusion that there is a 
decent amount of seatpost showing. My preference would be to have less 
seatpost so the handlebars could come down as well. I realize this is the 
Riv list and that amount of quill is not unusual.

Can you provide the saddle height shown in the photo?  I ride 57-59cm bikes 
and I'm the same height as you but don't have that much seatpost showing. 
All 5'10" people are not the same!

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 6:15:27 PM UTC-4, spencer robinson wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
> The bike that is listed on Hudson Valley CL is mine, you can ask me any 
> questions you might have. 
> The bike is in fact a 57cm. 
> I am 5’10” tall and the bike pictured is setup for me, it fits beautiful. 
>  I have done all day rides on it and it has been my choice for high mileage 
> excursions. 
> In a pinch for a second bike, in the 11th hour, I rode this bike in the 
> Farmers Daughter Gravel Grinder, with the single track, mud and hills 2 
> seasons ago, I ran it with Clement 700x40 gravel tires, on Velocity A23 
> rims, with tubes. The fat tires had to be depressurized to pass by the 
> calipers but they did fit. The bike was designed to take as much as 700x38 
> according the the brochures. 700x40 were very close, but only on the 
> calipers, otherwise, it seemed fine. 
> The bike Is being sold with a very nice wheelset, the old style Open Pro 
> rims with nice fresh gravel kings, the smooth ones in 700x32. 
> The shifters are vintage RSX, as I am sure that you guys know, RSX was a 7 
> speed shifter, however they share DNA with the 105 shifters. I sent these 
> shifters down to Jim in Duncan SC and along with completely rebuilding 
> them, he replaced the “guts” on the right hand with 8 speed 105. So now 
> instead of a spacer on the free hub, it runs 8 speed on the rearpretty 
> cool trick, search Shimano shifter repair on facebook, you can find Jim on 
> eBay as well. Sheldon used to use him back time. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: $700 Romulus (57cm) build in Hudson Valley.,NY

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hopefully he'll take the proceeds and put it toward a bike that fits him 
better.


On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 7:26:24 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Nice bike, odd listing. That sure looks like a 55 to me (I had one), and 
> his seat height for 5'-10" matches my guess. Also there's no way that bike 
> takes 40mm tires unless they're old Paselas with very optimistic labeling, 
> and RSX and 105 are not the same model shifter. 

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hillibikes!

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 8:24:01 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of 
> all the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or 
> replay) the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you 
> would like to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a 
> MUSA version of a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
>
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got 
> away. I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
>
> My vote: the Legolas!

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[RBW] Re: Where does "country biking" fit in?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mark, what 27.5 x 2.4 tires are you referring to here? (And are they on 
non-disc rims?)

Another Mark, in Beacon

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 6:06:14 PM UTC-4, M Talley wrote:
>
> After riding 27.5 x 2.4" tires (changed to a road tread) This is perfect 
> for all urban use and could see riding most (not all) terrain and doing so 
> with a load. 
>
> The Gus Boots Willsen will be able to do the same so I rule it in as urban.
>
>

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[RBW] Gravel tomorrow

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Riding unpaved roads is a whole new flavor of fun on a bicycle. Enjoy!

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[RBW] Drop Bars for Gus Boots & Siblings?

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 Depending on when the pre-order opens, I plan to have funds available for 
one of the new Hillibikes. For various reasons, I have been mulling over 
the idea of running the bike with the nice wide pair of 48 Noodles I've had 
kicking around since dismantling my old Kuwahara. Coincidentally, the 
latest Blahg post features the Zero stem from Analog and Riv's experiment 
with installing a stem backward.

Eventually I see my Hilli with an upright Riv bar, whether the bullmoose 
Bosco in my parts bin or some other flavor. But as I still do the majority 
of my longer rides with drop bar bikes, I thought it would be fun to set 
the bike up this way for a while. I might even try to configure it so I can 
swap the bar and stem with a minimum of hassle so I can change around when 
the situation warrants. I haven't done the calculations, but to mimic the 
reach on my road bikes, I assume I will need to bring the bars in quite a 
bit on this bike to take back some of the top tube territory, and one of 
the Analog stems should get me in the ballpark.

Anybody else contemplating a drop bar for their Hillibike? I think a few 
folks have tried the zero stem, but can't recall if it was here or iBob. 
Now I just have to figure out whether the zero or the 30 (or a reverse 
stem!) will work best for me, as it's a pricey piece of kit.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

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There are different levels of finish for fillet brazing. I understand the 
Lyon/Norther bikes are mostly Jeff just laying in the brass, not much 
filing. I have an old Viscount where they obviously left it completely raw 
(and some pinholes, boo.) I would imagine the Hilli-builder would do some 
cleaning up and a bit of finishing, but perhaps not to the level of a 
$3,000 custom bicycle.

But yeah, fillet brazing bicycles by hand takes time. And no doubt the 
builder Riv is using is good.

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 10:51:53 AM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> "It was earlier stated that the selected builder can complete 1.5 fillet 
> frames a day."
> Here's one hour of the reason why.  From Brian at Chapman Cycles
> https://www.instagram.com/p/By8C2DPldjC/
>
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 5:38:43 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>>
>> Today’s Riv email stated that they are awaiting the arrival of the Susies 
>> (lighter sub 165lb rider) version of Gus.  Once tested the the presale will 
>> occur.  It was earlier stated that the selected builder can complete 1.5 
>> fillet frames a day.  A large variable will be the number of bikes ordered 
>> by individuals, dealers, and RBW itself. 
>> Super excited but equally patient.  Just glad Riv and their special 
>> builds are still rolling out after 25 years. 
>>
>> Ryan Hankinson
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tange Cup & Cone Bottom Bracket

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Despite having a bin full of these, I am seriously considering one of the 
new ones for my upcoming Hillibike. 

Rich, if you enjoy working on bikes, I would say definitely worth the time 
and investment, especially if you have never worked on a classic cup and 
cone bb. The couple of folks over on iBOB who have received theirs have 
remarked on the high quality.

The basic tools are not all that pricey. I'll bet you could pick up a good 
used set on ebay.

I think The Cup & Cone would be an excellent name for a "bike cafe" except 
that it could be confused with an ice cream shop. Too bad, that. Maybe  The 
Cup, The Cone, and the Scone?

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 12:29:14 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> In his last Blahg post Grant talks about the Tange BB Riv now carries. As 
> one who enjoys the mechanical/maintenance time I spend on my bikes it got 
> my attention. 
> Worth the investment in tools and the BB to explore this? 
>
> Thanks very much for your feedback.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

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Hi Ash. Thanks for the mini review. How does it compare to other Rivs? Have 
you had a chance to ride a Clem? Clemsters are quite upright friendly! 

I spoke with a Riv spokesperson and I thought he said presale in September. 
But now it's starting to sound like possibly sooner, and maybe the actual 
bikes will be shipping at that time? Although it could take the better part 
of the summer to test the lighter bikes, so maybe that target date was...on 
target. Who knows, but I am preparing by selling some stuff to build up the 
bike fund account.



On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:25:32 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> I had a chance to ride the small Boots when I visited the world HQ last 
> weekend.  The bike was real fun.  The design is natural evolution of Riv 
> philosophy.  I'm 100% on board.  Except for out and out road biking, I 
> think this bike can serve almost any other needs I can imagine. Touring, 
> commuting, dirt, snow, haul stuff from Costco, around the town utility 
> mobile, kid trailer hauler, take a kid on rack mounter seat, fire roads, 
> crank a generator dynamo for emergency electricity,...
>
> During my test/joy ride at one point there were kids on the trail.  I got 
> off the trail and continue to peddle on the grass area.  The surface 
> beneath grass was uneven.  Very bumpy!   But Boots would just float.  It 
> was so much fun for next 10 mins I was going around on the grass field.
>
> It is also the most upright friendly Riv IMO (this another big plus for 
> me).  CAN'T WAIT!!
>
>
> On Thursday, 20 June 2019 14:38:43 UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>>
>> Today’s Riv email stated that they are awaiting the arrival of the Susies 
>> (lighter sub 165lb rider) version of Gus.  Once tested the the presale will 
>> occur.  It was earlier stated that the selected builder can complete 1.5 
>> fillet frames a day.  A large variable will be the number of bikes ordered 
>> by individuals, dealers, and RBW itself. 
>> Super excited but equally patient.  Just glad Riv and their special 
>> builds are still rolling out after 25 years. 
>>
>> Ryan Hankinson
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 52 Clem L or 45 Clem H

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

FYI you are about the fourth or fifth person to post a WTB Clem L 52. I suggest 
if you are truly serious, you buy a Blue 52 now. You might even be able to 
trade for a color you like better down the road--certainly you'll be in a much 
better position to do so. 

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[RBW] Re: Gus pre-sale

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Patrick. Large goes to 700c on the production models. In any case, 
not a huge deal. I'll probably opt for the medium. And I think I've 
convinced myself to go for a Hillibike instead of Clem L (don't worry, 
BBDD, I have the memories!;^)

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 3:47:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Mark, I'm not sure what the production bikes will be, but my Large Gus is 
> 27.5+/650b. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus pre-sale

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

BBDD--No need to worry about me needing a bike SOON. Although I do not 
currently own a Rivendell, I have an entire fleet of Rivalikes, including 
my 1946 Bianchi  650B step through city bike, which does Clementine duty. 
I'm okay with either of the current colors, but I favor the bronze green, 
though the blue is reminiscent of the Blue Mink Raleigh Professional, which 
I've always liked.

Ed & Patrick, thanks for the reviews, very helpful. 

Garth, I mentioned first gen Clem because I remembered they changed the 
wheels. Just checked and mine are the Alex 18, so a full 6mm narrower. I 
run big rubber on narrow tires all the time, and I do have a set of Atlas 
rims, which are slightly wider at 20, so I guess I would use those to 
start. When/if I go to the full 2.8", I will probably build a second set 
with wider rims.

One other little high class problem is size. With a 73cm saddle setting 
most days, that's a height that appears in all 4 size ranges. Throwing out 
the small and the x-large, that leaves Med and Lg.  I know Grant would 
suggest a Large, and I do like big frames just fine--no worries with this 
design regarding top tube clearance. But I feel like the handling gets a 
bit more staid, lines tend to lock in more, with the fatter 700c tires, so 
I am leaning toward the 650B if only for that reason.  I had a Jones SWB 
complete for a bit and I liked the handling on that, road and trail. (Sold 
it in anticipation of re-acquiring a Riv for the same riding duties. Not a 
huge fan of discs and push button shifters. Bike was a lot of fun, though, 
no question about that.)

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 7:26:05 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, Mark,...it’s hard to see you without a Clementine in your future. And 
> the bonus is that you can have it SOON. Do you like the current offerings 
> for color?

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[RBW] Re: Gus pre-sale

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a bunch of the parts from my Clementine. I am wavering between 
getting another Clem L frame and fork and getting one of the Hillies. Other 
than taking a bigger tire and the construction method and the tubing 
arrangement on top, I wonder how much difference there will be. I would not 
be using it exclusively off-road, so it would need to roll nicely on 
blacktop--and with today's tire choices that should not be so difficult. 

I guess my question is other than novel look and somewhat fatter tires, any 
appreciable differences? And will my first Clem gen Alex rims (650B) be 
wide enough for a Hillibike?

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 1:41:31 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Super excited to land a Gus when they are ready. So worth the wait for 
> something slightly different and perfect for the non-touring non road, non 
> gravel riding I do.  Like the other MIT offerings I would assume a sub 
> $2000 price tag for a beautifully filleted frame.  Setting my pennies aside 
> now for the pre-sale.  Not a grand gesture by any means but saving myself 
> $100 and sending some income Riv’s way to make this special offering easier 
> on RBW for the paying for them ahead of the shipping adventure these 
> beautiful frames will undertake. 
> Really excited to join the Deacon and get this off-road hillibike in its 
> element. 
> Will often pushes the benefit of buying a fully speced Clem for the $1600 
> vs just the frame for $900. 
> Those who have 90% of the parts they need to build a bike or two like me 
> should and can afford $1600 or so for just a F/F/HS etc should jump in line 
> also. 
>
> Ryan Hankinson 
> West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Blahg No. 21 & Instagram post Sam brake cable thing?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree that the Clems are  the best Riv deal ever, no compromises either. 
I was providing justification for the more expensive bike because you wrote:

*"Actually it sounds like they are USA made so they will be way more 
expensive.  Seems an odd choice for a bike they are pushing to be a bike 
for everyone with a brochure to explain that."* 

I wanted to put that in context. Personally, I think Clems should be 
government issue. Remember Clunkers for Cash, the program to help 
automotive companies survive the last economic crash? How about a little 
help for bicycle companies next time? Clunkers for Clems.

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 4:27:31 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> Noted! In my situation I don't have an option to replace a car with a 
> bike. I live the farm life respectably far from the city.  I am lucky in 
> that I can work from home half of the time so we basically have one car 
> between me and my wife and then one for my son that he helps pay for.  No 
> real way to trim that down further and I have zero interest in moving 
> closer to the city.  So basicallya bike is a luxury item for me.  I 
> would prefer to save money and throw it in my 401k to retire early (a goal 
> of mine) or put it into an account to help my son with college costs.  I 
> buy into the idea that Rivendells are worth it BUT a Clem is a hillybike 
> too and it's made just as well and will last me just as long as the model 
> that's twice as much.  I just can't justify building up a $3500 bike when I 
> can get a Clem for $1650 or even cheaper used.  Surly's are well made too 
> and also an option to get a great bike for less.  When I am retired and my 
> son is out of school I will likely have more money for fun stuff.  For now 
> I will probably stick with a Clem L.
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:29:37 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> The frame and fork for the Hillibikes will be $1600 last I heard. It 
>> costs on average $8,500 per year to own and operate a car. If you have two 
>> cars, get rid of one, buy a Hillibike and spruce it up nice and start a 
>> little savings account. If you have one car, cut out as many trips as you 
>> can. A new set of tires costs between $400 and $1000. A Rivendell will last 
>> the rest of your life with minimal operating costs.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Blahg No. 21 & Instagram post Sam brake cable thing?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The frame and fork for the Hillibikes will be $1600 last I heard. It costs 
on average $8,500 per year to own and operate a car. If you have two cars, 
get rid of one, buy a Hillibike and spruce it up nice and start a little 
savings account. If you have one car, cut out as many trips as you can. A 
new set of tires costs between $400 and $1000. A Rivendell will last the 
rest of your life with minimal operating costs.

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 2:58:27 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> Thanks! If is the case then it will be more expensive then the Clem stuff 
> but should be on par with the lugged Taiwan stuff.  Personally I think they 
> should aim to have more in the Clem/Roadini price range but this hopefully 
> won't be too far out there.
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 12:59:43 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> GBW and variants are made by a fellow in Taiwan. There was initially talk 
>> of two versions, TIGed and fillet brazed, but now I believe they will all 
>> be fillet bikes. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg No. 21 & Instagram post Sam brake cable thing?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Unfortunately, perhaps, it doesn't sound that cryptic to me. I am still 
debating between getting another Clementine or going in for a Hillibike. I 
do hope the Longbolts/Slugstone/Willsens get made. I do hope Rivendell 
finds a way to keep going, even after I get what will almost certainly be 
my last new bike.

With talk of ABS-assisted steering for so-called e-bikes, Grant's nightmare 
of bikes becoming not-bikes continues apace. It is already getting 
difficult to sell bicycles without disc brakes anywhere other than big box 
stores. Nobody sells them without indexing. Many recreational riders with 
disposable income have gone to electronic shifting. As electric motors get 
lighter and smaller, more and more bikes will be equipped with them, for 
when you want to extend your commute, or keep up with friends, or get home 
fast when you're tired.

I saw a video for Shimano electric assist Mt. biking that was truly 
creepy--these guys were flying on trails going as fast as if they were on 
motocross machines. The irony that hillybikes.com is a site for electric 
bikes has probably added to the end is nigh mood. At some point, though not 
voluntarily, all the technotopia will stall and wither. It might not be all 
that long from now, but likely too long for Rivendell.

swan song
*noun*
a person's final public performance or professional activity before 
retirement.

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 12:51:08 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> In other Blahg news (about the Gus bikes), this was cryptic, eh? 
>
> "I feel like these bikes and this brochure are kind of swan songs. I 
> really want them out there, I want us to have designed and produced them, 
> in whatever quantities make sense. I don't want collectors to buy them, I 
> want riders to ride them, and I want them in 40 years to be regarded as 
> good bikes of their time. All 100 or 200 of them, or whatever we do."
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Foiled again! Drats.

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 8:31:41 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>  
> I have no clue where you’re going with this, or what your point is, or 
> what your agenda is—because you obviously have one—but have fun with it. 
>  If you’re trying to get my ire up or goad me into some kind of 
> pseudo-intellectual debate on whatever it is you're talking about, then 
> you’ve failed.
>
> Dave
> Boston/Indy
>
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Well Dave, I thought you added a bit more than, cultural differences,and 
>> people confuse them,  that's it. You went on to add that they have their 
>> thing and you have yours and what's the big deal--"*different cultures 
>> gravitate to different things, and there's nothing wrong with it.  It's 
>> just the way it is.*"  
>>
>> It comes off as though, hey, everyone had an equal chance at this 
>> smorgasbord of different activities, and blacks gravitated to x, y, and z, 
>> not a, b, or c, because of black culture. Cool, no problem, just the way it 
>> is. 
>>
>> Except not exactly, right. Some activities were "easier" to break the 
>> racial barrier in, some, not so "easy." To my ears your statement is 
>> cavalier. To say that I "peeled layers to tease out some specific factors" 
>> is a bit disingenuous, making it sound like semantic contortions were 
>> necessary to make some fairly obvious points. Any meaningful discussions of 
>> race are going to mostly encompass "culture," not genetic differences 
>> between races.
>>
>> No, you did not say black people don't like riding bikes. You said *"So 
>> there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's not their thing.  They 
>> have other things."*
>>
>> You mentioned Grant's "issue" with this, but said you don't share his 
>> concern. Grant is a public person who runs a company that presents a 
>> certain image to the world. So he is in a different position. He is also 
>> someone who tries to incorporate his beliefs into his business. It's a 
>> tricky thing to try to tackle the issues around race in this regard, 
>> perhaps most so when you happen to be a white guy, and it may be 
>> ill-advised and he has certainly drawn flack for his ruminations on catalog 
>> shots and reparations.
>>
>> But it's one of the ways to start some dialog, despite possible false 
>> starts or receiving ire. When I was publishing my cycling magazine in the 
>> 1990s, I thought about this a bit.  I had some variety on my cover and in 
>> my content that skewed in favor of under-represented cyclists--i.e, anyone 
>> who was not a youngish white guy**.  I never kept score, it happened mostly 
>> organically as good stories presented themselves, but looking back, the 
>> count ended up 4 white guys (two of the same guy, local legend Mike 
>> McCarthy) 5 white females, 4 black guys (including Messenger 29, a comic 
>> character) 1 black girl (M29s daughter, Kyla, also a comic character), a 
>> white male-female couple, 2 Hispanic guys (on one cover) and possibly 1 
>> transgender person (which I was clueless about until someone told me later) 
>> and one crowd melting pot shot from the 5 Boro Tour.
>>
>> *(For the record, I don't have angst or guilt over being a white 
>> guy, and the little I've heard about reparations doesn't sound like a good 
>> idea or very feasible on a number of fronts)*
>>
>>
>> *Some photos of the covers and a few inside pages here: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YKsMN2sx6wgPPvjJ6 
>> *
>>
>>


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[RBW] Re: Tires for HHH tandem

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You will not blow out a sidewall due to air pressure requirements of a tandem. 
Tires are tested well beyond stated maximum pressure, and you probably won't 
even hit that. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well Dave, I thought you added a bit more than, cultural differences,and 
people confuse them,  that's it. You went on to add that they have their 
thing and you have yours and what's the big deal--"*different cultures 
gravitate to different things, and there's nothing wrong with it.  It's 
just the way it is.*"  

It comes off as though, hey, everyone had an equal chance at this 
smorgasbord of different activities, and blacks gravitated to x, y, and z, 
not a, b, or c, because of black culture. Cool, no problem, just the way it 
is. 

Except not exactly, right. Some activities were "easier" to break the 
racial barrier in, some, not so "easy." To my ears your statement is 
cavalier. To say that I "peeled layers to tease out some specific factors" 
is a bit disingenuous, making it sound like semantic contortions were 
necessary to make some fairly obvious points. Any meaningful discussions of 
race are going to mostly encompass "culture," not genetic differences 
between races.

No, you did not say black people don't like riding bikes. You said *"So 
there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's not their thing.  They 
have other things."*

You mentioned Grant's "issue" with this, but said you don't share his 
concern. Grant is a public person who runs a company that presents a 
certain image to the world. So he is in a different position. He is also 
someone who tries to incorporate his beliefs into his business. It's a 
tricky thing to try to tackle the issues around race in this regard, 
perhaps most so when you happen to be a white guy, and it may be 
ill-advised and he has certainly drawn flack for his ruminations on catalog 
shots and reparations.

But it's one of the ways to start some dialog, despite possible false 
starts or receiving ire. When I was publishing my cycling magazine in the 
1990s, I thought about this a bit.  I had some variety on my cover and in 
my content that skewed in favor of under-represented cyclists--i.e, anyone 
who was not a youngish white guy**.  I never kept score, it happened mostly 
organically as good stories presented themselves, but looking back, the 
count ended up 4 white guys (two of the same guy, local legend Mike 
McCarthy) 5 white females, 4 black guys (including Messenger 29, a comic 
character) 1 black girl (M29s daughter, Kyla, also a comic character), a 
white male-female couple, 2 Hispanic guys (on one cover) and possibly 1 
transgender person (which I was clueless about until someone told me later) 
and one crowd melting pot shot from the 5 Boro Tour.

*(For the record, I don't have angst or guilt over being a white guy, 
and the little I've heard about reparations doesn't sound like a good idea 
or very feasible on a number of fronts)*


*Some photos of the covers and a few inside pages here: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YKsMN2sx6wgPPvjJ6 
*

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 9:24:23 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> My stance is that differences attributed to race are often differences in 
> culture.  That's it.  They're cultural differences, not racial differences. 
>  You peeled a couple of layers away from that to tease out some specific 
> factors that might *create* cultural differences, and I don't disagree 
> with them.  Your points about football and basketball versus golf et al. 
> are good ones and are probably valid, but my point wasn't to dissect the 
> *reasons* for differences, only to point out that they *exist* and that 
> people confuse them.  
>

No 

>
> Interesting, by the way, that you mentioned Major Taylor given his 
> environment growing up.  A lone example doesn't prove anything, but it's 
> consistent with my premise.
>
> By the way, I didn't say black people don't like riding bikes, but I think 
> you already know that.  
>
> Dave
> Boston/Indy
> 
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 6:53:12 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dave Small wrote:
>> *"**The purported paucity of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, 
>> not a racial phenomenonSo there aren't many black cyclists---so what? 
>>  It's not their thing.  They have other things.  Their things aren't my 
>> things, and they're not trying to get me involved in their things because 
>> they're their things and they don't care that they're not my things, 
>> too  It's just the way it is..."*
>>
>> So your stance is, black people as a group just don't like riding bikes, 
>> because, "black culture". Maybe. But you have to take into account the fact 
>> that "cultures" overlap, interact, and affect one another when they exist 
>> in the same country--a country that for a portion of its history allowed 
>> members of one race to own members of another race. The first iteration of 
>> the League of American Wheelmen banned non-white cyclists in 1894, in part 
>> due to the success of Major Taylor.  
>>
>> *"Most NBA and NFL players are black, but few hockey players, race car 
>> drivers, or 

Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I thought it was clear since I quoted the text that I was responding to one 
particular post on the thread. I was just pointing out that "black culture" in 
the US was formed partly in response to the culture and other circumstances 
around it. 

When I lived in NYC, I was involved in several cycling subcultures and knew a 
number of black cyclists. I don't think their numbers were in any kind of ratio 
to the general population, with the possible exception of bike Messengers. 
That's my interpretation of my observations. I've ridden with only a couple of 
black cyclist since moving to the Hudson Valley. I couldn't really comment on 
the scene in Maryland, which is why I didn't. (Isn't chopped liver basically 
pate? Yum.)

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 8:31:45 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> And my observation that at least in Southern
> Maryland, there are plenty of black cyclists, but that in
> general they're most often found in groups that are largely made
> up of other black cyclists, that's to be dismissed as
> "anecdotal" and it's just chopped liver, right?
> 
>     
> 
> On 6/12/19 6:53 AM, 'Mark in Beacon'
>   via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
> 
> 
> Dave Small wrote:
> 
> "The purported paucity of black
> cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a racial
> phenomenonSo there aren't many black cyclists---so what?
>  It's not their thing.  They have other things.  Their
> things aren't my things, and they're not trying to get me
> involved in their things because they're their things and
> they don't care that they're not my things, too  It's
> just the way it is..."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So your stance is, black people as a group just don't like
>   riding bikes, because, "black culture". Maybe. But you have to
>   take into account the fact that "cultures" overlap, interact,
>   and affect one another when they exist in the same country--a
>   country that for a portion of its history allowed members of
>   one race to own members of another race. The first iteration
>   of the League of American Wheelmen banned non-white cyclists
>   in 1894, in part due to the success of Major Taylor.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Most NBA and NFL players are black, but few hockey
> players, race car drivers, or professional golfers are"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Again, your supposition is this is because blacks in
>   general just don't care much for hockey, car racing, or golf. 
>   However, basketball and football are public school sports, and
>   can also be played with a minimum of equipment outside of
>   institutional settings. Hockey and golf are historically more
>   the purview of prep schools. The economic opportunities that
>   blacks have often been excluded from mean they are not as
>   well-represented at these private institutions. Race car
>   driving has a strong Southern background, which may or may not
>   mean something. I bet you could look into it. Golf has an
>   interesting "cultural" past that may have influenced black
>   culture in the U.S.: 
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.complex.com/sports/2011/06/the-most-racist-moments-in-golf-history/kelly-tilghman
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Still seems to be happening in places: 
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.golf.com/tour-news/2018/04/26/fallout-continues-alleged-discriminatory-golf-course-incident
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Really, there's much ado about nothing here. ..
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
>   
> Well, I would not speak for others as to whether or not
> this is true. Perhaps you are right. I think discussions
> about race are a good thing. But probably more useful when
> everyone is at the table.
> 
>   
> 
> -- 
> 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dave Small wrote:
*"**The purported paucity of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a 
racial phenomenonSo there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's 
not their thing.  They have other things.  Their things aren't my things, 
and they're not trying to get me involved in their things because they're 
their things and they don't care that they're not my things, too  It's 
just the way it is..."*

So your stance is, black people as a group just don't like riding bikes, 
because, "black culture". Maybe. But you have to take into account the fact 
that "cultures" overlap, interact, and affect one another when they exist 
in the same country--a country that for a portion of its history allowed 
members of one race to own members of another race. The first iteration of 
the League of American Wheelmen banned non-white cyclists in 1894, in part 
due to the success of Major Taylor.  

*"Most NBA and NFL players are black, but few hockey players, race car 
drivers, or professional golfers are"*

Again, your supposition is this is because blacks in general just don't 
care much for hockey, car racing, or golf.  However, basketball and 
football are public school sports, and can also be played with a minimum of 
equipment outside of institutional settings. Hockey and golf are 
historically more the purview of prep schools. The economic opportunities 
that blacks have often been excluded from mean they are not as 
well-represented at these private institutions. Race car driving has a 
strong Southern background, which may or may not mean something. I bet you 
could look into it. Golf has an interesting "cultural" past that may have 
influenced black culture in the U.S.: 
https://www.complex.com/sports/2011/06/the-most-racist-moments-in-golf-history/kelly-tilghman
 


Still seems to be happening in places: 
https://www.golf.com/tour-news/2018/04/26/fallout-continues-alleged-discriminatory-golf-course-incident


*Really, there's much ado about nothing here. ..*

Well, I would not speak for others as to whether or not this is true. 
Perhaps you are right. I think discussions about race are a good thing. But 
probably more useful when everyone is at the table.

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[RBW] Another Rivendell Tenet Set to Hit the Mainstream?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wool. Breaking out of its "niche" via "sustainability?" Shepherding could 
be a good career path. Or seaweed gatherer.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90359188/the-next-big-thing-in-fashion-not-washing-your-clothes

I've always washed my "Dry Clean Only" wool stuff (except suits) after a 
suitable number of wearings. Cool water, no dryer. 




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Re: [RBW] Betty VS Clem

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The anniversary model is what I would call a twixte, on account of it being 
betwixt and between a Clementine and a Cheviot.

Awesome if they can pull it off. With two versions now of the gus boots planned 
for the fall, and a shipment of clem ls  in September and tandems coming 
shortlythis might be a 26th anniversary edition.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

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Yes, I do remember this now, thank you. Nothing about extra swoopy. And 
"special" lugs, not necessarily fancy--that's because of the ovalized 
flattish tubing. A total of 100, so, unlike Clem and Chev, likely to be a 
full-priced model, if not more. My sense, with the Gus Boots and its 
variations coming down the pike, and the expense of fabrication a bike 
requiring new lugs and tubes to make 100 would require, is the number seven 
scenario is most likely:

*7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an 
anniversary model, and have it be an ongoing model.*

But you can always hope! I'm just hoping Gus and his offshoots are here by 
the fall.

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 2:00:49 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Here. He discusses his dreams for the bike near the end of this post...
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/2019-3
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty VS Clem

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A mixte anniversary design (and I've only heard it mentioned here, not in 
any official Rivendell communications-- I guess I missed it) will not 
address the issue you are having with your Betty Foy in terms of its step 
throughness. I on my Clementine for over a year, and have ridden a friend's 
Cheviot. The Clem L is a great bike. Even with the so-so stock tires it 
rode well, as aptly described by Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!. You really can't 
go wrong if you are intending to use it as a town go getter with some zip. 
It will also do so much more. Lugs are nice, but the lines of the Clem, 
with the swooping top tube, and the lovely paint and clean welds and nice 
fork crown, are beautiful, too.

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:23:40 PM UTC-4, Cinza wrote:
>
> Yes, I would only have one bike. 
> I did not know the fat tires make for a feeling of speed, I was concerned 
> the tires would make the ride feel heavier.
>
> You've made me curious about the  Anniversary Mixte", I didn't know there 
> was another bike to look forward to.
> I'll look to find out more on the Mixte.. 
> Step through is the only reason I'd change my bike.  
> Thank you very much.
>
> Anyone care to post on the Mixtie... I will be happy to read.
>
> Cinza
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>>
>> I have and LOVE my Betty..
>> But I am considering a Clem.
>> I commute around town.
>>
>> What I love about Betty (besides being a beauty) is the ride. 
>> I wonder if anyone has both and can discuss the difference in ride and 
>> fit between the two rides.
>>
>> The reason I am thinking of Clem is the easier step over/through. Other 
>> than this I have no reason to change frames.
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts on the difference in terms of riding experience 
>> (vs frame details).
>>
>> Cinza
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

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My thing with the Keen Commuters is they are more like well-ventilated 
shoes than what I consider sandals. A good summer choice though, especially 
if you seek the extra protection.

On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 5:25:54 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Like Jeff, I have both the leather and nylon versions of the Keen sandal. 
> Like them both on rides under 25 miles. For longer rides or hilly ones 
> where I ill be pushing hard on the pedals, I use Keen Cycling sandals. 
>  These have a firm cycling sole and accept cleats if you clip in.  I have 
> ad cleats in and out of mine, and have decided on none as my best option. 
>  The hard sole protects my mid-foot muscles from cramping on super hard 
> efforts up steep climbs or fatigue over long distance. They have a narrow 
> heel to avoid pedal rub. All the sandals are nice in rain as they allow 
> water to escape so you don't get squishy feet.
>
> https://www.keenfootwear.com/p/M-COMMUTER-4.html
>

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[RBW] Re: It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I get into sandals as soon as the weather warms up, and I do as much of my 
riding in them as possible. I rode D2R2 the last two years in sandals, but 
did not see anyone else. Maybe it's more West Coast. I tried Merrells for 
two seasons, both broke at the same place, so I will use the last credit 
for some non sandal Merrells. (This year's versions are also kinda ugly.) I 
recently ordered the Bedrocks in the 3D? I think they call it? Took a  bit 
to get used to the thong thing, but I  like these so far.

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 11:23:01 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just read the thread from 2014 - 2016...is it time for a?
>
> It's officially summer here in the low foothills, and I'm back to riding 
> in sandals. My 3-year-old Chacos (with toe loop) are still going strong, 
> and at this rate they may never die, but I really don't care for the toe 
> loop.
>
> One option is new Chacos without toe loop (had 'em, loved 'em, took about 
> 10 years to disintegrate). 
>
> Also been eyeballing the Bedrock units for a couple o' years now...kinda 
> like that I could go check them out in person in Richmond and try 'em all 
> on. They look thinner (and lighter) than Chacos (good!), but wondering if 
> the toe thong might bug me as much as the Chaco toe loop.
>
> What are people wearing these days? My ideal use is on the bike and around 
> town...bonus points if they would be good for wet-wading while fishing, and 
> especially if they were light enough to act as camp shoes while backpacking 
> (I find the Chacos weight-prohibitive for this purpose).
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar coming back with a new design?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Gus Boots and its iterations are already slated to be fillet-brazed in 
places.

On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 11:03:18 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote:
>
> Looks like it sold fast. Pretty cool that they’re working with Steve Rex 
> now, it would be awesome to see them start using some fillet brazing on a 
> joint or two. 
>
> Darin

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[RBW] Re: Coffee Grinder Question

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Can someone explain the awesome advantage hand grinders have over my little 
electric Krupps? I assume it has to do with heat affecting final taste. But has 
BQ done any testing in this area? Kidding aside, does it matter that much? Or 
is it mostly just the artisanal aspect? Which is fine, too. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bolt-on Rear Derailleur

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think what you're looking for is a rear derailleur hanger bracket. Like this: 

https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=88608

You can hang most any derailleur off of this bracket.


On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 7:20:19 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
> Evening-
> 
> 
> In preparation for my impending move to the land of Brexit, my beloved 
> SimpleOne is on (very) long-term loan to a trusted friend. I was chatting 
> with him yesterday about the bike and mentioned the article on the two 
> shiftable gears mod in Riv Reader number 36. Needless to say he is interested 
> in trying it.
> 
> 
> So I told him I would ask around for a bolt-on rear derailleur. Anyone have 
> one they are looking to get rid of? If so, just PM me. 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Eric

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Interestingly, at about 5'10" my 73.5cm or so saddle height is representrf in 
all four sizes. Obviously the small and xl being outliers. More to come on this.


On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 10:49:15 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY wrote:
> Sub 165 on an XL? That's some long and skinny (I'm long and skinny too (6'8" 
> 200lbs)) maybe the XL will not be as thinly tubed? I don't think many who can 
> ride it are near or under the prescribed weight limit.
> -Kai

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[RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The bicycle in this link is emphatically not a step-through. Not by any 
stretch.




On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 2:04:05 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Great photo. Step though bikes are the future. I thought this was a Clem 
> but Jones Step through, though branded as a space frame. 
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BxuVT2fBnDN/?igshid=165s8gixyyqpr 
> 
>  
>
> I love the description Jones has of what is basically describing the 
> benefits of a step through bike. 
>
> The Spaceframe design was Jeff’s original frame design, and he designed it 
> to help him navigate the rocks and logs in the mountains of Southern 
> Oregon.  The frame’s top tube is low and out-of-the-way, which keeps the 
> bike out of your way on the bike in steep, technical terrain. A side 
> benefit of the low-slung design is that it’s also great for those with 
> shorter legs because the frame has a very low standover height.  Its 3D 
> Spaceframe design allows the rear end to flex vertically which makes for a 
> smooth ride, without the frame flexing torsionally. These flex 
> characteristics are most noticeable on the titanium version because of the 
> inherent flexibility of that material. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ah. I have seen the name, I guess I got it confused with the Kellys.

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 10:31:42 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>
> Not Jim, but them there look like Gevenalles 
> .
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:12:24 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Jim, what's the story with the shifters perched way on up top of the 
>> brake hoods? Have you set up other bikes like this? Are they modified Kelly 
>> Take-offs? Is this a thing that passed by my notice and I'm the only one in 
>> the dark here?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

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Well, no worries about the handlebars dinging your top tube(s). Jim, what's 
the story with the shifters perched way on up top of the brake hoods? Have 
you set up other bikes like this? Are they modified Kelly Take-offs? Is 
this a thing that passed by my notice and I'm the only one in the dark 
here? I don't think I would worry so much about the aesthetics of the stem, 
since those thumbies tend to draw the eye. I'm trying to imagine how I 
would shift, for instance, the left one in the position it's in now. I 
gather the idea is to not move off the hoods, similar to Ergo/STI? I like 
the purple accents. 


On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:36:57 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> jandrews, thanks for asking. here's a pic. 
>
> I'm neither an effective mechanic nor a quick one, so I'm still fiddling 
> around trying to make sure the brake hoods are symmetrical. 
>
> I haven't ridden it yet. I think I might lower the bars once I've actually 
> ridden it. This is max height.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA 59CM Custom Riv on FC CL

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wish people would stop using "infamous" incorrectly. Or at least I hope 
they are: 

"*Boasting their infamous style, design and quality craftsmanship, this is 
the epitome of bicycle culture."*

Designating a particular bicycle as the "epitome" of something as broad and 
nebulous as "bicycle culture" also makes little sense. Nice color though.

1. disreputable, ill-famed, notorious. 2. disgraceful, scandalous; nefarious, 
odious, wicked, shocking, vile, base, heinous, villainous.

On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-4, Neil wrote:
>
> I wish people would stop painting their names on top tubes. Think about 
> the second hand market!

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

But seriously, for the Crust Towel Rack I would use some good 1/4" anchors. 
Either that or make sure to hit a beam.

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 5:56:42 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> That reminds me of the old joke, starts out, IIRC, This stem walks into a 
> bar and says, Hey, give me a wrap...
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:28:20 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>> It really doesn't matter in that seeing "the whole picture/story" every 
>> stem/part/bike/thing makes sense for the given moment.  A stem w/o a bar, a 
>> bar w/o a bike, a bike w/o a rider, a rider w/o a ride and a ride and 
>> everything included in that ride w/o Life Itself is unimaginable.  Life is 
>> Good , The Best  and there is none else ! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>>>
>>> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first 
>>> reaction is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to 
>>> like it. But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit 
>>> this is a first-world problem)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That reminds me of the old joke, starts out, IIRC, This stem walks into a 
bar and says, Hey, give me a wrap...

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 4:28:20 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> It really doesn't matter in that seeing "the whole picture/story" every 
> stem/part/bike/thing makes sense for the given moment.  A stem w/o a bar, a 
> bar w/o a bike, a bike w/o a rider, a rider w/o a ride and a ride and 
> everything included in that ride w/o Life Itself is unimaginable.  Life is 
> Good , The Best  and there is none else ! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 9:46:40 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>>
>> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
>> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
>> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
>> first-world problem)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Farmers Daughter Gravel Grinder

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Have fun!!

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[RBW] Re: Farmers Daughter Gravel Grinder

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I went last year, lots of mud, lots of fun. My son has a fencing tournament 
Sunday, so I must wait for August and D2R2 to get my gravel event fix.

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

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Tax rules for internet sales recently changed. From what I understand, in 
addition to collecting tax in our State, the company I work for has to 
collect sales tax in those States where our sales go beyond a certain set 
minimum--a minimum which is different for each State. Kind of a nightmare, 
but I suppose there is software that notifies you when you hit the limit, 
though not sure if you then still can wait till the following tax year. I 
doubt Riv sells enough bikes to Nevada to be a problem--that would take a 
lot of anniversary mixtes going to Reno.

(But you don't want to avoid all the tax, or your roads won't get paved!;^)

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Roberta, I’m sure you know, but is there really no loophole? NV billing 
> address, paid over the internet but picked up in person - still stuck with 
> the tax? 
>
> I cannot imagine making the trek to CA (it’s 9 hours to drive!) and not 
> coming home with the AM either. It’s going to be pretty expensive though; I 
> may need to forego the Riv experience and save like $500, plus travel 
> expenses. But, it IS the Anniversary Bike, and maybe there’s an Anniversary 
> Party, and can you really afford to miss THAT? Anyway, you and I are a 
> pair. I’ll probably copy what you do.  
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On May 9, 2019, at 2:04 PM, REC > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > If you purchase your bike or take delivery physically in ca you will 
> need to pay sales tax. If you order it online and you have it ship to you, 
> you will only pay sales tax if they have an employee in NV. 
> > 
> > I cannot imagine  you seeing and riding it in CA and not taking it with 
> you when you’d leave!  You’d have Mixte withdrawal symptoms for a week 
> until it shows up in NV 
> > 
> > I’d probably fly in to make my purchase decision and it would be so cool 
> to go on rides with others from the board!!  They would all come out to 
> visit with you. 
> > 
> > Roberta 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> >> On May 9, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Back to the Anniversary Mixte again. I have all these plans and ideas 
> for/about this bike, and one of them was that a bunch of us could arrange 
> to pick up our bikes on the same day and do a group ride and take group 
> photos, and wouldn’t we be darling? 
> >> 
> >> But it occurs to me that if out-of-staters pick up their bikes at 
> Rivendell, we may have to pay CA sales tax. Does anyone know for sure? If I 
> pay with my credit card via phone or website, and I pick up the bike in 
> person, do I have to pay sales tax? That would be hundreds of dollars, I 
> would imagine... 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

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Thanks, Max. That's a 59, which I could ride, and I generally like bigger, 
but the 52 is what I'm after in a Clementine. Also I have almost all the 
parts from my original Clementine, so I seek a frame and fork only.

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 8:08:45 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>
> Maybe this one is still available (no affiliation):
>
>
> https://elko.craigslist.org/bik/d/wells-rivendell-clem-low-59cm/6849503618.html
>
> I think it was on eBay at some point.
>
> Max
>
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[RBW] PSA 59CM Custom Riv on FC CL

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It's listed as a custom, so you'll probably need to ask the seller to estimate 
max tire size unless they know it offhand.

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[RBW] WTB 52cm Clementine frame and fork

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I know, a unicorn might be easier to find. But I understand they don't like 
to be ridden, so I'm trying for a Clementine frame and fork. Had one that I 
sold for financial reasons. Cash, trade or some of both. I have a 24" 
Raleigh International, Brooks saddles, various Riv-approved handlebars, and 
Paypal or check. Kindly reply off list. Thanks!

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[RBW] Don't Miss Sights Around Las Vegas

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Hey Paul. I was in Las Vegas last fall for a trade show. On the last day, I 
rented a bike from a shop there for the day. They have a plan where they will 
drive you out to the sites, also rides where they lead you. I just pick the 
bike up there and Road. I went to red Rock canyon which is just outside of 
town. Very beautiful, not too much traffic. I'll see if I can dig up the bike 
shop name. Here's a link to my Instagram I took some pictures. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BpOF5v9HoIA/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=bji375397xyhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BpOF5v9HoIA/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=bji375397xy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

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Removing the drive train? You mean to make it a stride a bike? The bikes 
being discussed are for kids presumably well-past that stage. And sure, my 
guy might not "care" but only because he has no baseline. In between the 
Islabike and the WOOM, I did assemble a nifty vintage GT Mt. Bike, complete 
with custom 150 cranks that I had a friend machine for me. He seemed 
perfectly content. But after a downhill spill, I decided to spring for the 
WOOM, remembering how happy I (and Mack) was with the Islabike. I'm not 
fussy or overprotective or the spoiling, get him what he wants only the 
best kind of parent, but a nice bike for my kid, absolutely. Cost is about 
3 sets of Compass/Rene Herse tires, or a mid-price wheel set from Rivendell.

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 10:30:45 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm certainly long past the Islabike stage of parenthood, but I'm curious 
> what Islabikes have to offer that a decent, properly sized child's bike 
> with drivetrain removed does not?
>
> Besides avoiding the hassle of removing the drivetrain, of course.
>
> Patrick Moore, whose daughter stole his car, in ABQ, NM
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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

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And to clarify, I don't worry about bike weight, but with kids I think  it 
can be a negative when a bike ends up to be 35-50% of their body weight.

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 5:16:55 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Yes. Sold the 24" Islabike my son outgrew, got him a WOOM. Very nice bike. 
> Much lighter that most of the kid's bikes from the major brands. They also 
> tend to have at least somewhat proportional cranks , handlebars, and brake 
> levers. I did extensive research and I think the Islabike and the WOOM are 
> worth the premium. They have decent resale too, since they usually remain 
> in good shape, unless you have 3 or 4 kids that they go through. And yeah, 
> Islabike just closed their U.S. distributor, but operating in the UK. 
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:06:24 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Islabikes is still a successful UK company of origin and HQ . They sell 
>> there and in the EU. 
>>
>>
>> Woom bikes seems to make quality kids bikes for anyone looking. 
>>
>> https://us.woombikes.com/pages/bikes-and-accessories
>>
>> Here's a review of a 20" version for example : 
>> https://rascalrides.com/woom-4-review/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

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Yes. Sold the 24" Islabike my son outgrew, got him a WOOM. Very nice bike. 
Much lighter that most of the kid's bikes from the major brands. They also 
tend to have at least somewhat proportional cranks , handlebars, and brake 
levers. I did extensive research and I think the Islabike and the WOOM are 
worth the premium. They have decent resale too, since they usually remain 
in good shape, unless you have 3 or 4 kids that they go through. And yeah, 
Islabike just closed their U.S. distributor, but operating in the UK. 

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 4:06:24 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Islabikes is still a successful UK company of origin and HQ . They sell 
> there and in the EU. 
>
>
> Woom bikes seems to make quality kids bikes for anyone looking. 
>
> https://us.woombikes.com/pages/bikes-and-accessories
>
> Here's a review of a 20" version for example : 
> https://rascalrides.com/woom-4-review/
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

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She may have fallen off the bicycle writing, but she is still very much on 
the internet, blogging about her patterns and knitwear business based in 
Ireland. Accompanied by her stellar photography, of course. Almost makes me 
want to knit. But I think I'll just buy a pair of socks instead.


http://www.lbhandknits.com/

On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 5:51:21 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Also, I thought of one last thing to add about the Clementine. Lovely 
> Bicycle did a great review before she fell off of the internet. It’s 
> glowing, and anyone considering a Clem L should read it...
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html?m=1
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Kiley Demond > 
> wrote:
>
> Oh, oh! I rode both at Riv HQ and picked the Cheviot because I loved the 
> lugs and the shade of orange (which is my favorite color) a pinch more. 
> That choice cost me thousands of dollars over the next few years as I took 
> to swapping out this and that. The Clem standard components would have fit 
> me better initially and I ended up making my Chev more like Clem. The 
> Cheviot's step-thru clearance isn't as significant as I would have liked. 
> And I spent forever trying to get a front fender to work with 55 tires, 
> it's a snap with a Clem. Ultimately, my answer would be that for all day 
> riding and touring, the Cheviot is a better option. For most everything 
> else, Clem is a better option, and you can buy your wife lots of other 
> nifty things with the extra $$;-). (And years before this, I almost bought 
> a Betty Foy. If I had bought that instead of a Dutch bike, I probably 
> wouldn't be writing this at all.)
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more 
>> comfortable than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and 
>> Chevoit and she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>>
>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
>> would be. Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Will there be other riv-ish bikes on the 5 Borough Bike Tour (NYC)?

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I would not describe the 5 boro tour as  a flash of cycling utopia, not 
quite. There is a lot of traffic. Bike traffic. A lot of it New Year's Eve 
style amateur bike traffic. Talk about Critical Mass!  Not too much roaming 
free.  But it will definitely be an experience you will remember! Have fun!


Mark "Did my 5BBT in the early 90s" in Beacon

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-4, Rachel P wrote:
>
>
> Hi Folks! 
>
> Just out of curiosity, anyone planning on doing this ride in NYC this 
> coming Sunday? I imagine it to be like a brief flash of utopia where, for 
> the day, bikes are allowed to roam free in prime car territory...too bad it 
> can’t be the usual rather the exception! 
>
>  Since my daughter is taking her Tolkien Atlantis, I could not in good 
> conscience leave Orange Julius, I mean Orange Cheviot behind, right? There 
> will be other rides for my All City this summer as I try not to make the 
> other rides in the stable too jealous. 
>
> Regardless, I’ll be on the lookout for other cool bikes especially the 
> Rivs—so perhaps I’ll see some of you there! 
>
> Cheers, 
> Rachel 
> Arlington MA

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

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I was comparing a 52 Clementine with a 55 Cheviut. I recall in the original 
literature, the 59 Clementine was advertised as having a tad more "wiggle" 
under load. But as I say, and you say, both bikes in any size are capable 
of just about anything one would want a bike to do, other than try to beat 
M. van der Poel (or BBDD's speed racer).

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 4:54:24 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> I have both (60cm Cheviot & 59cm Clem L) and disagree that the cheviot is 
> faster/sportier. To me the cheviot rides stouter/stiffer and the clem L 
> feels flexier and "planes" if you believe in that. I prefer the Cheviot for 
> carrying a substantial load (clem L flexes too much) and the Clem L for 
> lighter loads & faster rides. I use the Clem L on group rides to keep up 
> with my local MTB & CX group ride friends. They're amazed that my 
> "commuter" can keep up. 
>
> On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more 
>> comfortable than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and 
>> Chevoit and she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>>
>> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
>> would be. Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Chevoit or Clem jr L

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counterpoint: I grew to appreciate the yeoman like work a day style of the tig 
welded Clementine. Mine had just enough flourish, with the seat lug and the 
beautiful fork with the white paint on black to make it lovely. And the name 
and decals, just right. Bigger tires, as someone pointed out. And that swing 
low, much more usable in terms of stepping through the frame. With the Cheviot 
essentially what you're getting is a lower, sloped top tube. With the 
Clementine, no problem stepping through that swoop de doop. I would vote it as 
my favorite Rivendell.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

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For me, for better or worse, the decals and the model name and other possible 
flourishes are part and parcel of the bike. Clem's wouldn't be quite so klemish 
without that guy coming out of the manhole cover. Orosco pub has a cool head 
badge and a cool name, etc. (I left the voice recognition software 
interpretation of what I said. I think most will guess what model I was talking 
about!)

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Re: [RBW] Chevoit or Clem jr L

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I had a Clementine and helped a friend purchase a Cheviot. I would say for 
around town, and ease  of on off-- that is, actually using the 
step-through-ability -- the Clementine wins. If the idea is more of a sport 
recreational ride, the Cheviot might be better suited. If the actual 
step-throughness doesn't matter, either bike is of course pretty fantastic.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

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Thanks Will. I thought they were called grub screws because they're so freaking 
tiny and always falling out of things onto the ground and you have to grub 
around looking for them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

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Hi Will. Yes, I've been rolling with the tektro 720's on my 26in road bike for 
a few years, been through a couple of sets of Koolstops. Steve, they do have 
the grub screw. But it's not necessary to use it.

I think there are lots of variables that makes for such a wide variety of 
opinions. The two main ones in my estimation would be brake setup and user 
expectation.

n Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:56:05 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
> Dear Mark,
> 
> Tektro cr720's are a fine enough brake, and when set up properly, work as 
> well as any. They have the significant advantage of using orbital brake pads 
> and slotted pad holder mounts that greatly simplify setup. Just replace the 
> astonishingly bad Tektro brake blocks with Kool-Stop Salmon pads
> Also, the hardware on the brake is less-than-beautifully finished, if 
> functional. 
> 
> They punch well above their $45/bike price. Add $12 for Salmon pads up front.
> 
> If cost is no object, then the RH brakes work well in my experience. They are 
> lovely as well.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Will
> William M deRosset
> Fort Collins CO USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

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James: I appreciate strong opinions, but I think saying that wide profile 
should be "discounted" for everything unless you are, to use a derogatory term, 
doing a "reenactment" is silly. My CR720s work just fine, as do my Dia Compe 
and Mafac wide profile brakes. I would guess you'll find other folks on this 
list that have a similar experience.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What're the best cantilever brakes out there?

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Beautiful bike, Steve. Built for the RH, and vice versa.

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Re: [RBW] Tolkien themed MIT Atlantis

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Now that's texting. While taping? Black and White and read all over.

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

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Indexing and STI require less thought from our minds and bodies, bringing us 
closer to the technological ideal of mind-lessness and thought-lessness that we 
seem to be striving for.

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

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Did I miss something while I was away? What happened to the helmet thread? 
Did it get nixed for some reason or another? 

On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 5:52:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sure, Joe.
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> - I'm still weighing the question and hoping for more evidence -
>>
>> Put a helmet on, bang your head on a wall. Take off helmet, repeat. 
>>
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> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

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I doubt it's a black and white issue for Rivendell. From what I have read, 
I think Grant sees bikes continually developing toward the e-bike model, 
with more and more of the technology becoming "black box." You might argue 
that disc brakes, in and of themselves, are not that. But taken with other 
developments and trends, it's hard to deny that bicycles are developing 
into something "less simple" than what many of us grew up riding and 
wrenching.

Our culture is set up to believe in eternal progress, from the caves to the 
stars (with a side trip to Mars, courtesy of E. Musk.) But there is 
evidence aplenty that in fact this is not the way things actually work. In 
the 1970s, Ivan Illich, in Tools for Conviviality, writes about watershed 
moments--those points in time where a tool (and here he referred not only 
to tools in the sense of a hammer or a bicycle, but also societal tools 
like the education, transportation, and medical systems) reaches a kind of 
sweet spot. After that, it starts to accrue complexity for the sake of 
keeping itself going, essentially. Applying this theory to the marketplace, 
since our economy is based on eternal growth, the products within must 
constantly "improve" so we can keep moving toward the stars (and service 
our debt--till we can't).

Now some will say that discs are an improvement, and they work, and are not 
overly complex, what's the big deal. Well, if you've thought about where 
bikes have been and where you see them headed and you care about that and 
you have a company and you have a few principles, maybe you are thinking 
that discs are a not so tiny step toward taking the bicycle into something 
that, in some ways, is no longer a bicycle. And so, perhaps after talking 
with family and friends, you decide, even though it might hurt sales, even 
though it might contribute to an earlier demise to your company, to not 
offer this feature on your bicycles.

I could be totally wrong and not even on the bases, but I think it's not as 
black and white as hey, rim brakes have always worked fine, let's stick 
with 'em, just because we're Rivendell and that's what we do. I think might 
be part of a bigger picture view, and where the company wants to fit into 
that. It could be a watershed line they just don't want to cross, for any 
reason.

Or I could have inhaled a bit too much Boeshield this weekend.

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 1:23:43 AM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> We’ve had 4(?) straight up calls for cash in the last year. I’ve 
> contributed to all. Bought a frame for one. I’d be concerned about anyone 
> saying they aren’t concerned. 
>
> I truly believe discs would engage a whole new population. I also don’t 
> think in bicycle black 
> And white terms. If a disc brake is all it takes to get people to come 
> over. Who cares? Even the ibob group and Jan have been able to see this 
> issue with nuance for years now.  Not seeing it with nuance and denying its 
> ramifications financially does seem, to me, like a desperate stand. 
>
> Seeing the idea of having options and differentiation as an ok thing is 
> not the side that’s taking the stand. 
>
> I’ll also stop now though. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: To Helmet or not

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I agree that was a good presentation. Although of course there are no stats 
available on "the odds" or "the consequences."  Which I believe was one of 
Edwin's points.

One situation where I would heartily recommend helmet use: when bringing up 
this topic on iBoB. Nice to give people the space to express their views 
without too much direct judgement.

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 8:08:55 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Edwin, 
> You have perfectly presented logic, stats, comparisons, and whimsy to 
> cover all the bases of Helmet use IMHO.  Free will allows us each to make 
> make the best individual choice for “ourselves” based on are willingness to 
> accept the odds and consequences.   
>
 

>
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Re: [RBW] To Helmet or not

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I usually don't wear a helmet. Not when commuting or shopping. On group rides 
when a helmet is expected or required I will wear a helmet. 

I've come off the bike pretty hard both with and without a helmet. The withs 
were during USCF racing. Both times mild to serious concussions. I was in a 
race where a writer crashed out, he hit his head I guess pretty bad, was 
wearing a helmet. He was never quite the same after that.

Latest without, I came off the bike going downhill at fairly high speed due to 
another rider's error last summer, went off the road, over the bars and down 
off a 6-foot rock retaining wall into the woods. Received a concussion but 
fairly mild compared to the others. I suppose I could have landed on a rock and 
cracked my head open.

Why? I don't really feel like making a case, but I will say it's a good part 
philosophical. I also enjoy the feeling of riding without a helmet.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sackville Backabike Olive Rear Bags - Old Style

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I hope so, as it's been two and a half years since he started the search...

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rosco Bubbe - Bronze

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Howdy It's you Ryan, Nice bicycle! Question: Is that an uncut one inch threaded 
fork with spacers and an adapter for a threadless stem?

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[RBW] Re: Changing brake hoods

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Okay. I'll go with that. But why would non aero be any different than aero, 
assuming you disconnect the cable with the former?

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[RBW] Re: Changing brake hoods

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You still wouldn't need to remove them from the bar if they were non aero 
levers. You would however need to disconnect the cable and housing.

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[RBW] Re: railbiking video

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Beautiful. But also very sad, in that we've let a network of hundreds of 
smaller rail lines that once formed an efficient transportation system system 
fall into ruin. We have a stretch of one here in Beacon that connects to the 
main rail line heading to New York City that would be perfect with a single car 
trolley to feed commuters into that station.

At one time you could take it all the way to Danbury, CT. it was still running 
a leaf peeper train once a year for sightseers when I first moved up here, but 
they've let the tracks fall into such disrepair that even the occasional 
maintenance train can no longer safely cross some of the trestles.

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[RBW] Re: My first Rivendell!

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I'm not sure it's fair to characterize all the components as "cheap" which 
often implies poor quality as much as it does low price. If it came with 
the stock Silver crank, for instance, those sell for $220. Not outrageous 
by today's bloated measures, but not cheap. And a fine crank. The bars are 
Boscos--70 to 95 dollars; my first gen came with Bosco bullmoose, the 
stand-alone version of which sells for $160. The only thing I thought was a 
bit "cheap" were the somewhat maligned shifter things on the first gen--I 
believe they fixed that.  Alex makes fine rims, Kenda makes fine, if not 
cognescenti-worthy, tires. The other bits and bobs are inexpensive, 
practical, good quality, will last just fine. Enjoy your handsome, 
practical, fun, prudently-spec'd new bicycle!


On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:20 PM UTC-5, OwenS wrote:
>
> Well I've officially joined the club after purchasing Danny's (RDS member 
> here) Clem Smith H. He was kind enough to get it shipped to me here in 
> Australia. I don't think are too many of the over here. 
>
> Went for my first real ride with it today on my commute to work. All I can 
> say is. *Wow*. I'm a believer now, Grant.
> I honestly don't know what it is about this bike. So much of it doesn't 
> make sense. On paper it's heavy. The components are quite cheap as well.  
> And yet it all comes together in what is plain a simple, an incredible 
> riding experience. It's comfortable, its fast, its fun. I couldn't be 
> happier. And it's also the first bike I've owned where I actually want to 
> modify it. To tinker and enhance different aspects and make it truly mine. 
> They really are special bikes. 
> Here it is posed gracefully in front of a trashcan and some milk crates.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2019-02-21 at 11.59.05 pm copy.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

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Bill is more of an engineer than I am, and more meticulous with his builds. I 
definitely know what color my fenders need to be first, then I figure out the 
rest! But on this list most bikes are capable of taking fenders of some sort or 
another, without resorting to kludges.

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[RBW] Re: How do you choose fenders--colors, materials, etc., whether to fender or not

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Of course for the serious fenderscenti, it's a big faux pas to run them without 
the proper mud flaps installed...

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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That mountain bubbe is really cool. I love that color. Are you zapping up your 
own racks there?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

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You make a good point. But I think we should go for the gold while we can...

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

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Gold-plated, fillet-brazed Clementine. 

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[RBW] Re: Why not bigger clearances?

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Cuz then there would only be...one model;? 2.25" tires are not needed on 
every bike. It's overkill for people who only ride bike paths and nice 
roads, which many do. And in the 700C size, I for one don't love the 
handling.  Why not make every bike fit 2.35"?

There is something beautiful about a bike with skinny old 32-35mm tires. 
And if you designed everything around 2.25, that bike would suffer--bb too 
low, goofy spacing, etc. Do you have  one of the models that takes the 
golden 2.25" tire size? If so, enjoy! It can do anything! If not, take all 
that nice cash and buy one that does, or order up a custom 2.25 Cheviot, 
Homer, etc. But of course then it would not be a Cheviot, Homer, etc.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 10:12:39 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I mean this as a legitimate question. I would guess that there is a 
> logical answer that I just don’t know. So... 
> Why don’t all rivendells have clearances for 2.25 or larger tires? I’m 
> aware this would mean canti or v brakes on all the models. I’d buy a 
> Cheviot this second if they could go 50mm+ easily...heck I’d buy a Sam or 
> homer as well. I’d imagine with those clearances that someone else could do 
> 38 or whatever smaller size they wanted to and that’d be fine. What would 
> be lost with bigger clearances on all the models?  

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[RBW] WTT WTB Albastache bars, Tektro R559 rear nutted brake

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Several posts recently have people mentioning swapping out their 
albastachios, so figured I would see if anybody would like to trade them 
off. For one-up swap on the bars, I have

57cm, early 80s Lotus Odyssey frame and fork, silver with chromed fork ends 
and stays, no dents, dings, paint 8.9 out of 10.

Deore triple crankset with the crazy dyno pedals and bb included. You can 
order very nice adapters from Poland or Russia on ebay.

Vintage Specialized BB-1 dirt drop handlebars, very good condition

PHOTOS :https://photos.app.goo.gl/zuyXLCok5n6bSdDPA


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Re: [RBW] HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

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Good news from Dave. But obviously he's never ridden a Rivendell bicycle! I'm 
guessing the hubbub is at least as performance-oriented as any of those racy 
bikes, and once people try it, it will be promoted up from the minor league.

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[RBW] Re: Silver Legolas on the blug

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I have my monitor set to black and white for the true Rivendell experience.

I'm kidding. but if I had gotten that last Legolas I would have gone with 
silver for sure. Let's call this one silvery-blue?

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 1:38:25 PM UTC-5, Chris L wrote:
> If I had started this thread, I would have titled it: 
> 
> 
> "Blue Legolas on the blug".  
> 
> 
> Whatever color it is, that is one gorgeous bike!!  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 10, 2019 at 6:03:26 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:Wow. 
> I don't really covet bicycles that I don't own (well maybe a little) and I'm 
> more of a Clementine guy these days, but I sure wouldn't kick that Legolas 
> out of my bike closet! Something about a bicycle with traditional sized 
> tubing and cantilever brakes and nice lugs. Plus that silver paint with gold 
> lug lining. And it's the penultimate Legolas, as decals are then gone.

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[RBW] Silver Legolas on the blug

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Wow. I don't really covet bicycles that I don't own (well maybe a little) and 
I'm more of a Clementine guy these days, but I sure wouldn't kick that Legolas 
out of my bike closet! Something about a bicycle with traditional sized tubing 
and cantilever brakes and nice lugs. Plus that silver paint with gold lug 
lining. And it's the penultimate Legolas, as decals are then gone.

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

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No, Jeff. This was before UR shaved. Mack is the one in the baseball cap...

Sameness wrote:
Helluva beard Little Mack's got going.
> 
> 
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
> 
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 5:03:40 PM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:I think 
> Bene'e Fame really skyrocketed when he was photographed at the North American 
> Hand-Built Bicycle Show hanging out with Little Mack Roland.

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[RBW] Surly 8 pack-rack & Joe Appaloosa

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I put one on my Clementine, which I believe has similar attachment points at 
top of the fork crown. Don't have access to the photos right now but you can 
search the archives here. It did take some reorienting of the top struts and a 
bit of bending, but worked well.

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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

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Early Christmas present! Kinda awesome! Speaking of random happenings, that's 
one of the things I truly love about bicycles. When I'm out on mine, especially 
around town, I'm invariably bumping into folks, finding out about things, and 
seeing sights that I wouldn't see encased in an automobile. 

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[RBW] Re: HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

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The logistics of this might be a challenge. As has been pointed out, this 
organization is basically a broker, putting together Captains with stokers. I 
don't think they actually have bicycles that belong to the club itself at a 
physical location. I think the people who sign up have their own tandems. I 
could be wrong.

Maybe it could be a rally fundraising tandem. It would start out on the west 
coast at Rivendell headquarters. It would make its way across the country, with 
sited captains and visually impaired stokers, changing riders like in a relay 
race. That could be a fundraiser in itself for the organization.

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[RBW] Re: HubbuhHubbuh email from Riv & donation idea

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Hey Alex, don't forget shipping. I'm not sure where this bicycle is destined to 
end up? At one of the local clubs?Hopefully there will be enough for a complete 
bicycle!

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[RBW] Re: Two projects!

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Holy girl bike, Batman! It's a Clementine!

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[RBW] Re: Two projects!

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Holy girl bike? Is that a southern thing?

Karl wrote:
> Ditto on the photos... the 1995 Prototype sounds like. holy girl bike...
> Karl 
> Nashville, TN
> 
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 6:58:25 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:So both 
> of my RBW products are off-line for refurbishment.  The 1995 Road Prototype 
> developed a crack in the left chainstay near te BB shell. Allen Wanta in 
> Clearwater FL has it for replacement (He'll use Columbus or Dedacciai instead 
> of the Reynolds 753-heavy wall) and will re-spray it. It will keep its 
> current colors: Light English Blue (it was originally built at Waterford and 
> that is one of their colors) with cream (the same cream as the decal color) 
> lugs and bi-plane fork crown.  Allen was much more reasonable in price than 
> Waterford and his lead time is about 9 weeks. Btw, even Waterford's price was 
> 1/3 the cost of buying an equivalent new lugged frame, so GP was spot on when 
> he spoke about the long term value of a repairable steel frame. And this 
> particular bike is unique as far as I know and a keeper. I have ridden the 
> tar out of it since acquiring it off this list in 2008.
> painted an old Ford color, Amber (a

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[RBW] Re: How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

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On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:54:42 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
> You let your child out on his own on the streets of DC at 7-10 years old?!?!?!

Hey, no parent-shaming! Headlin: Weird Things You Didn't Know About Rivsters 
And Their Kids. 

Compare this to the Mongolian kids hopping on little horses at two or three 
years old. My kid has been fencing since he was 7, so he's at least got some 
awareness of pointy tools. Plus we cook together in the kitchen, and have done 
some basic bicycle repairs. I wish my dad had been more of the type to 
introduce me to these skill sets.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My First Rivendell... Meet my Leo Roadini and I.

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Congratulations on your new Rivendell. Very nifty build!

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Re: [RBW] Re: My First Rivendell... Meet my Leo Roadini and I.

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I find the "difficulty braking from the hoods on non aero brakes" to be much 
Ado about very little. Anybody with fairly reasonable hand strength can pull 
that lever toward the handlebar from either position. The brake doesn't know 
where your hand is. I wonder if maybe there were levers way back in time that 
were extremely hard to pull, and that's where this truism came from. I brake 
from the hoods on non aero brakes all the time with zero issues.

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

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So do I, but I don't think that's a harmonica.

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

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Hey people! Howabout that head badge though? First one ever in world history to 
feature a mouth organ, from what I gather. Cool.

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[RBW] Rivendell offerings I'm thankful for

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Regarding the safety triangles, they are also about the closest thing to a Riv 
flag or identifier outside of an actual Rivendell bicycle. When you see one on 
a bike, there is a 69.8% chance the owner is a fan of Rivendell.

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[RBW] Rivendell offerings I'm thankful for

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Wish lists can be fun and interesting, but in the spirit of Thanksgiving, here 
are three Rivendell offerings that I am thankful for, past or present.

Clementine. Only Rivendell could have gotten me to think a  non-mixte 
step-through was the bee's knees. A great all-arounder, it also substantially 
lowered the price point to get into the Rivendell world.

Back-o-Bike bags. I've waxed poetic about these panniers in the past(!). 
Stylish and functional,they are a fantastic accoutrement to any Town oriented 
bicycle. And the haptics! I splurged and got a second pair in blue.

Safety triangles. I love these things, and I'm of the opinion that they really 
work, especially in Hudson valley farm country, where drivers are used to 
seeing and respecting them on other slower-moving vehicles.

It is said that corporations are not people, and that is certainly true. But 
it's great to find a company that has a moral compass, and is an entity that 
makes the world a better place. Rivendell has that and does that, and for this 
I am thankful. Happy Thanksgiving, with stirrers! (That's how my Android 
interpreted my lispy riffs Turner's -oops, Rivsters-, but I thought it was 
festive so I left it in)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

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Some people on this list don't even wait for the paint to dry before getting a 
new one...!;o)

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[RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

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They are definitely running smack into the wall of the law of diminishing 
returns as it applies to Technology. Aside from marketing, this has become a 
case of "Can we do it", not "What are the benefits to the rider?" At least one 
of my bikes has 14 speeds. No Hydraulics required, just a front derailleur.

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Re: [RBW] Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

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That would be a g-bike.

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