[RBW] Re: Hwy 1 Closures

[Ben Adrian]

This rings so true ;)

On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 7:45:01 AM UTC-7 boru...@gmail.com wrote:

anarcho- adult children 
who spent a fortune on fat tires"


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[RBW] Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Ben R]

hey all,

this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope fully 
my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member.  shout 
out to Zac big thank you.
i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
have to own one at some point".
i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a group 
within a group.  
You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail and 
even running errands along the Greenway.
Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are pretty 
dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid rise 
that will go on next.
Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
 Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
*pics coming in next post
Ben R from El Cerrito

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[RBW] Re: Favorite clip-in/flat pedal combo?

[Ben Adrian]

I've been using the Crank Brothers double shot pedals for a while and 
really like them. The platform is nice for me, and the clip-in side is as 
good as any other brand I've tried.

Crank Brothers are kind of like the forgotten brother of clip in pedals. I 
only tried them because my friend used to get a discount. Since then, I've 
found that I can often find great deals on barely-used pedals. I think 
people try them, but move back to SPD; probably because the rest of their 
bikes use SPD. So I've picked up Candy, Egg Beater, and Double Shot pedals 
for very  good prices. I recently got a set of Double Shot 3 pedals. I had 
only used the Double Shot 1 up until then. The 3 series fees MUCH nicer to 
me.

I will also add that the Egg Beater style of pedal has been my favorite 
version of clip-in pedals. You can clip in from any angle. Insertion and 
removal feels very smooth. Everything is rebuildable. And they are one of 
the lighter pedal systems... if you care about that.

Good luck!
Ben

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 2:08:52 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> John,
>
> I use SPD pedals on my "pure" road bike, my most road-ish mixed surface 
> bikes get combo pedals, and everything else gets flat pedals.
> For combo SPD/flat pedals, I have the VP-R62 on one bike, which seems no 
> longer available. But I have a few pairs of the very similar Venzo dual 
> function pedals: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084GHVVFP/
>
> They all work great, but I prefer the ones with at least a few pins on the 
> flat side. The silver VP pedals have them, but the Venzo's that are most 
> like the VPs do not - only a concern if you must have silver.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:42:16 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:
>
>> Following on to this; has anyone here used the MKS ezy pedal system to 
>> easily swap between flats and clipless?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:41:02 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Rivsters: 
>>>
>>> I've ridden many many years on Speedplay Frogs with great enjoyment.
>>> I've also ridden for years on flat pedals (MKS Sylvan Touring are my 
>>> favorite) with great enjoyment.
>>>
>>> I'm now curious about trying something I thought I'd never try: A 
>>> clipless-flat combo pedal.  Because there are times  - especially on longer 
>>> rides - when I want more foot support than my flat pedals provide. (Yes, 
>>> I've used larger flat pedals - VP Vice - and found no effective difference 
>>> to my MKS Sylvan in this regard.)
>>>
>>> So for those of you who still ride clipless, and who in fact use a combo 
>>> pedal: What's your favorite?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendells in South Korea

[Ben Adrian]

I've been watching all of these. Fantastic channel.

Ben

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 4:31:51 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It is very definitely permitted to post such interesting videos here; 
> thanks for doing so. I particularly enjoyed (out of the 2 I've watched) the 
> grocery shopping one. + 1 for riding a Riv to make mundane chores into 
> modest and wholly appealing adventures.
>
> Please tell us where you are from, what you do, and why you are living in 
> Seoul?
>
> Also, please tell us who makes your panniers and what the model is.
>
> I do almost all my errands and commuting by bike (not that there's a great 
> deal to do, but =/< 600 miles per year on my car for the last many years), 
> but while these rides traverse pleasant routes they're not the sort that 
> merits videotaping. If I were say in Old Town Albuquerque it might be 
> different.
>
> Others in interesting locales, please post videos of your own errand rides.
>
> Patrick Moore, who lived in Old Town Quebec and remembers Empress 
> (Victoria!) market in Karachi where flies outnumbered (the thousands of) 
> people by many orders of magnitude..
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:10 AM Marcus Gomersall  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
>> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
>> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
>> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>
>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>> YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQEDB9BVgbMKF8gaOW75WGQ>
>>
>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[Ben Cullen]

Pam you made riding from the airport sound so simple, I had to streetview 
it. Now I have to try it! 

The tour is on my bucket list as well. 

Ben from Guelph

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:18:47 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

>
> NYC is great to ride.  I just got back from being there 9 days.  Here are 
> my routes <https://ridewithgps.com/collections/2372121>.  I flew into LGA 
> and unboxed my bike in baggage claim and rode from there.  Exit Terminal B 
> and turn L down the sidewalk towards the parking deck and then cross the 
> street to 96th.  I rode through Queens across the Queensborogh Bridge to 
> Manhattan.  I didn't go to the Bronx or Staten Island but I rode the other 
> 3 boroughs solo.  Have a blast!   Photo is at Central Park.  [image: 
> centralpark1.jpg]
> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:48:54 AM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I used to live in Fort Lee, and it was the prospect of commuting across 
>> the GWB down to Chelsea and back each day that got me into cycling. 
>>
>> We moved to Utah mid-pandemic and went back to NYC for the first time 
>> last week. I rented a road bike from Bicycle Habitat and did the classic 
>> Bear Mountain route. It was all great, but I'd forgotten how much I loved 
>> exploring Manhattan on a bike. I never did the Five Boro tour, but it looks 
>> like a blast. 
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>> Brady in SLC
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 11:51:14 AM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My wife and I signed up for the tour and will be there! We even payed an 
>>> extra cost to be in the first wave of riders. I'll be riding my mustard 
>>> colored Appaloosa (I might even rock my tweed saddlebag) and my wife will 
>>> be on her extra-small orange Salsa Vaya. I'll be on the lookout for other 
>>> Rivendell riders other than my main man, Eben Weiss: 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_9Pj_AD3A
>>>
>>> Say hi if you see us! 
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
>>>> decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
>>>> https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
>>>> Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
>>>> I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.
>>>>
>>>> This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
>>>> won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
>>>> there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
>>>> I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
>>>> where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else here doing the ride?
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

[Ben Cullen]

Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Items Brakes, Seatposts, Saddles, Derailleurs

[Ben Hannon]

If the touring cantis are available I'll take em!

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 12:54:34 PM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Mike, I’ll take it! How to pay?
>
> Thanks, Jock
>
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 10:31 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jock
>>
>> Yes, XC Pro FD available
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 10:08:32 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Mike, if the XC PRO front D is still around, I’ll take it!
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 9:21 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
 Hello folks 

 Both B17s
 Paul skewers
 Diacompe 750 brakes
 Crystal Fella post
 Sanyo Gen set
 105 RD

 Mike SLO CA
 On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 11:31:17 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hi Folks 
>
> Some bits from parting out the Monstercross, other items that just 
> seem to pile up. Some of the parts you may recognize, boomerang!  PDF 
> compilation of parts photos.  Ask for the source photos if needed.  
> Combine 
> parts to economize on shipping. If you feel the asking price is too high, 
> please make an offer.  Price includes shipping. 
>
>  Campy GS crank, 170 length, 144 BCD, w/ 45 t ring. Threads in good 
> condition. $40 
>
> Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 
> hole, NIB $220 
>
> Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120 
>
> B17s, brown with copper rivets. $65 each, or $100 for both. 
>
> Suntour Superbe Pro 170 crank, 130 BCD, 53-39 rings. $40 
>
> Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20 
>
> Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20 
>
> SR Custom seatpost, 27.2 uncut.  $15 
>
> Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost. 27.2, uncut. $40 
>
> Suntour XC Pro FD, 28.6. Chrome good condition. $25 
>
> Shimano 105 long cage RD, RD-5501. $25 
>
> Also have a short cage Tiagra. $15 
>
> Paul Components skewers, black with orange, one bike’s worth 
> 100/135. $90 
>
> Dia Compe Royal Gran Compe brakes 47-57 mm reach, no pads. Recessed, 
> all hardware.  $40  
>
> Paul Components brakes, 1 bike’s worth. Touring Canti and Neo Retro, 
> silver, dual compound Koolstop pads. straddle cables, red hangers.  $165
>  
>
> Dia Compe 750 Centerpull brakes, NIB, 62-78 mm reach, no pads. Nutted, 
> all hardware.  $45 
>
> Avid Shorty cantis 1 bike’s worth. Koolstop/Tektro pads. Missing one 
> barrel for QR end, no straddle cables. $20 
>
> Shimano 1 speed FW 3/32 pitch 18 t, SF-MX30  $15 
>
> Campagnolo Silca Pump metal head  $25 
>
> Sanyo chainstay generator. NIB, includes wires, brackets, front/rear 
> lights, manual  $25 
>
> Ephemera, instruction/sales page for Christrophe toe clips. Raleigh 
> tire pressure gauge, bag of zinc coated steel cables, good for making 
> flexible straddle cables. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
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[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Ben Hannon]

Hey thanks! I made it :) If you're handy with a sewing machine they're not 
too technical to make, just time consuming.

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:07:00 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:

> Nice build! Wondering who crafted that saddlebag 樂
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 5:33:44 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com 
> wrote:
>
>> good shots Ben!
>>
>> -Brent in chicagotoo
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:35:13 PM UTC-6 Ben Hannon wrote:
>>
>>> No derail! The forward position has shellac but the ergon grips do not, 
>>> I think they're a lot softer without shellac and don't mind reapplying 
>>> every now and then. 
>>>
>>> I agree though, these ergons are definitely the most comfy grip I've 
>>> found, but their color selection is limited, so this is a good way to get 
>>> the grips but in a more preferential color.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:38:39 AM UTC-6 John wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't want to derail this thread but I'm really into your Newbaums'd 
>>>> GA-3s, too! I recently tried Newbaums on some cheap Soma grips and it 
>>>> turned out pretty good with three coats of shellac helping to hold it all 
>>>> together. GA-3s have emerged as my favorite comfy grips and I think you've 
>>>> inspired me to try wrapping them.
>>>>
>>>> John in Minnesota
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Ben Hannon]

No derail! The forward position has shellac but the ergon grips do not, I 
think they're a lot softer without shellac and don't mind reapplying every 
now and then. 

I agree though, these ergons are definitely the most comfy grip I've found, 
but their color selection is limited, so this is a good way to get the 
grips but in a more preferential color.

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:38:39 AM UTC-6 John wrote:

> I don't want to derail this thread but I'm really into your Newbaums'd 
> GA-3s, too! I recently tried Newbaums on some cheap Soma grips and it 
> turned out pretty good with three coats of shellac helping to hold it all 
> together. GA-3s have emerged as my favorite comfy grips and I think you've 
> inspired me to try wrapping them.
>
> John in Minnesota
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Ben Hannon]

Thanks everyone!

Regarding the cliffhangers, these are set up tubed, but I do have a pair in 
26 that have been tubeless for over a year without issues.

Grips are ergon ga-3s wrapped in newbaums, correct. No issues with the 26.0 
in 25.4. I think the argument could be made that it's less likely to slip, 
but I haven't tested it on too rugged of trails yet.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Also, the 25.4 faceplater had no issues clamping that 26.0 handlebar?
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:59:18 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Congratulations! Looks ready to make some great memories. 
>>
>> Looks like grips are some Ergon's wrapped in newbaums?
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is nothing quite like the look of a fillet-brazed ATB. Beautiful 
>>> build.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-5 DTL wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is a handsome bike!
>>>> Did you set the Cliffhangers up tubeless? If so how did it go?
>>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:23:06 AM UTC+11 Ben Hannon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I bought a susie frame from a group member here so I figured I'd share 
>>>>> the end product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wolbis Slugstone 
>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12Ls9msIH4aFkQZgSTFVugMjcOzP04IiK?usp=drive_link>
>>>>>
>>>>> Part list:
>>>>> Teravail 2.5/2.6 knobbies
>>>>> velocity cliff hangers
>>>>> shutter precision dynamo front hub
>>>>> shimano something or other rear hub
>>>>> thomson masterpiece setback
>>>>> brooks b72
>>>>> nitto fillet faceplater 80mm
>>>>> uncle rhondas upright bath bars
>>>>> sugino crank 175mm with 36/26 
>>>>> dura-ace 2 by FD
>>>>> altus RD
>>>>> jim 7 speed casette
>>>>> riv shifters
>>>>> deore.v brakes
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if anyone has a fillet faceplater in 10 and wants to trade for 8 
>>>>> let me know!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben in Chicago
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Susie Build

[Ben Hannon]

I bought a susie frame from a group member here so I figured I'd share the 
end product.

Wolbis Slugstone 
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12Ls9msIH4aFkQZgSTFVugMjcOzP04IiK?usp=drive_link>

Part list:
Teravail 2.5/2.6 knobbies
velocity cliff hangers
shutter precision dynamo front hub
shimano something or other rear hub
thomson masterpiece setback
brooks b72
nitto fillet faceplater 80mm
uncle rhondas upright bath bars
sugino crank 175mm with 36/26 
dura-ace 2 by FD
altus RD
jim 7 speed casette
riv shifters
deore.v brakes

Also, if anyone has a fillet faceplater in 10 and wants to trade for 8 let 
me know!

Ben in Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Ben Adrian]

Great post, and great ride. I've done Glendale to Santa Barbara (taking 
Amtrak back). It was quite a day.

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9:59:01 AM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Keith 
>
> Did you return the same day? 
>
> There is a small contingent of Rivbike cyclists in Santa Barbara. 
>
> May have to organize a ride someday so folks can experience a Mountain 
> Drive ride. 
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 6:42:18 AM UTC-8 SallyG wrote:
>
>> Wonderful story! Love your writing:)
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:04 AM ian m  wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely looking ride. Many years ago I lived in Ventura and commuted to 
>>> SB, I still regularly think about how beautiful that stretch of the 101 was.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:05:50 AM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back 
 bars. Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
 building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 

 Armand
 Also in Santa Monica

 On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Part 2:
>
> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got 
> to 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>
>
> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none 
> of the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>
> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>
> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on 
> dedicated bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated 
> for long stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often 
> connected by a frontage road.
>
> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>
> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on 
> ahead 
> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>
> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>
> (That's 103 not 3)
>
> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>
> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
> distance really.
>
> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>
> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>
>
> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>
> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>
> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe 
> would help on long trips like this one.
>
>
> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>
>
> Keith Paugh
>
> Los Angeles, CA
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> 1.27.24
>>
>> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly 
>> optimistic. I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory 
>> - 
>> Maybe the proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy 
>> challenge 
>> is just what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>>
>> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa 
>> Barbara on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from 
>> the 
>> Santa Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>>
>> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
>> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>>
>> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of 
>> short, and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>>
>> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 
>> 300 calories per hour of riding. 
>>
>> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
>> calories."
>>
>> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at 
>> any given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories 
>> as 
>> well as eating them.
>>
>> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with 
>> the proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my 
>> goal was reaching half the distance.
>>
>> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 
>> 5:00. Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus 
>> stronger riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning 
>> to 
>> not only ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride 
>> back. They laid out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the 
>> finish 
>> with ample time for their return trip.
>>
>> [image: 

[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225

[Ben Adrian]

Sold!
Thanks.

Ben

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 9:38:57 PM UTC-8 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Paul Minimoto Silver Set. Non-polished. Two brakes. One bike's worth.
>
> These stop so well, but the setup and cable pull is just a little fiddly 
> for me.
>
> $225 shipped in the US.
>
> Thanks!
> (cutting board not included)
> https://flic.kr/p/2psqz2m
> https://flic.kr/p/2psveze
> https://flic.kr/p/2psxptT
>
> Also, looking for a the following:
> 9 speed RD that can handle a 36t rear cassette.
> Rim brake wheelset that isn't too race-oriented, but also not too 
> overbuilt, and has tubeless potential.
> Cheers!
> Ben in L.A.
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[RBW] FS: Paul Minimoto Brakes $225

[Ben Adrian]

Paul Minimoto Silver Set. Non-polished. Two brakes. One bike's worth.

These stop so well, but the setup and cable pull is just a little fiddly 
for me.

$225 shipped in the US.

Thanks!
(cutting board not included)
https://flic.kr/p/2psqz2m
https://flic.kr/p/2psveze
https://flic.kr/p/2psxptT

Also, looking for a the following:
9 speed RD that can handle a 36t rear cassette.
Rim brake wheelset that isn't too race-oriented, but also not too 
overbuilt, and has tubeless potential.
Cheers!
Ben in L.A.

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Ben Adrian]

I had that same thought, Bill. The big ring on my triples are always the 
least used.

"Unfortunately," my brank is a 110bcd with the Bikingreen 46/30 chainring 
set... machined from one piece of aluminum.
But if a WI VBC crank pops up used, I'll make a dash for it!

--Ben

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:21:33 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ben
>
> You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette.  If it were me, I'd 
> experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple.  46x11 is 
> pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike.  Anything higher than a 4:1 in 
> my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph.  That is a real 
> use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a 
> commuter/city bike.  That's just a suggestion.  The jump from 42 to 30 is 
> much less dramatic.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. My 
>> commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been finding 
>> the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more dramatic than 
>> 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift down 
>> at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out immediately. I 
>> sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find the 
>> right gear.
>>
>> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, and 
>> it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher terrain. 
>> Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I also 
>> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
>> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
>> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a modern 
>> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo that 
>> change.
>>
>> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and useful 
>> for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker."
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, and 
>>> so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two bikes, 
>>> and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 derailer and 
>>> 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost less 
>>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog Cycles 
>>> for inspiration.
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
>>>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push 
>>>> through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. Now 
>>>> its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears available. 
>>>> Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x because I 
>>>> get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me (personally 
>>>> mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of the 
>>>> setup. Dropping chains, chain rubits all a balancing act. I am happy 
>>>> to 
>>>> have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what VO 
>>>> is 
>>>> saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x just 
>>>> works.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that 
>>>>> when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> stay upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> find it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something 
>>>>> we 
>>>>> used to call a “24-inch gear”).
>>>>>
>>>>> --Eric Norris
>>>>> campyo...@me.com
>>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never looked 
>>>>> back.  
>&g

Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Ben Adrian]

I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. My 
commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been finding 
the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more dramatic than 
50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift down 
at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out immediately. I 
sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find the 
right gear.

So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, and 
it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher terrain. 
Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I also 
romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed 
with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I 
didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a modern 
bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo that 
change.

I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and useful for 
hands on bike nerds who like to tinker."

Ben

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I dissent.  Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, and so 
> are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s.  I have 1X 10 one two bikes, and 
> love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 derailer and 11-51 
> cassette for my BMC Monstercross.  The whole drivetrain cost less than a 
> nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too.  Check out Analog Cycles for 
> inspiration.
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear 
>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push 
>> through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. Now 
>> its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears available. 
>> Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x because I 
>> get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me (personally 
>> mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of the 
>> setup. Dropping chains, chain rubits all a balancing act. I am happy to 
>> have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what VO is 
>> saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x just 
>> works.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that 
>>> when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard to 
>>> stay upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, I 
>>> find it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something we 
>>> used to call a “24-inch gear”).
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never looked 
>>> back.  
>>> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift.  
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
>>>> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually 46-32-20 on XT 
>>>> 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off the big ring because I rarely 
>>>> use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my solo riding, just when riding 
>>>> with the guys chasing them down hills. It does look a little ridiculous, 
>>>> with the front der way up in the air but so far its working out just fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Sweedler
>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> VO makes a good case for triples:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1
>>>>>
>>>>> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast simplicity, the 
>>>>> emphasis on constant shifting may be overstated. Many riders find 
>>>>> themselves primarily using the middle ring, operating as a 1x system with 
>>>>> added flexibility to adapt to different terrain.
>>>>>
>>>>> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low and high 
>>>>> ranges available is the key, I think. I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Ben Compton]

also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a thing
I just made up

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson 
wrote:

> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate
> community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point!
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment since
>> she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which was the
>> Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  Please let
>> her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun helping her
>> accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any questions.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Tim -
>>>
>>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>
 Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So
 yeah they're basically the same.

 On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

 I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack,
 fenders, and a pump "naked" haha

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Susie L or XL Frame

[Ben Hannon]

Hello Garth and Joe,

Thank you for both responding. I ended up purchasing a used 2020 era blue 
XL frame from another member and it's en route via UPS.

Ben "In Chicago" Hannon

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:28:26 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Check SF Bay Area Craigslist, there's a Large Susie frame and Gus complete 
> there. 
>
> Joe "you might want to tell people where you're located" Bernard
> Lake County CA. 
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-8 Ben Hannon wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I know that they're coming out with a lugged Susie next year, but wanted 
>> to see if anyone was hanging onto an older frame they were looking to part 
>> with?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Susie L or XL Frame

[Ben Hannon]

Hello!

I know that they're coming out with a lugged Susie next year, but wanted to 
see if anyone was hanging onto an older frame they were looking to part 
with?

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Ben Compton]

I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last
weekish.

In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found a
55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but
good lookin out, thanks!

ben
lexington ky

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hey yall!
>>
>> Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching for
>> a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for example
>> if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, let me
>> know!
>>
>> thanks
>> Ben
>> in ky
>>
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[RBW] ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

[Ben Compton]

hey yall!

Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching for a
55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for example if
anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, let me
know!

thanks
Ben
in ky

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Re: [RBW] Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Michael!

Yea, google groups is a bit vague :)

You can PayPal $110 to my main email b...@benadrian.com 
<mailto:b...@benadrian.com> 
Or you can Venmo @benadrian

Send me you address via email as well. If you have any more questions, feel 
free to ask :)

Thanks!
Ben Adrian
Los Angeles
510-543-6407

> On Nov 1, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
> 
> its alwHs unclear if ive sent a message on iphone, but im intere in these so 
> please let me know what next steps are
> 
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Whoops. I did not realize that! Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:30:18 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>>> mages can only be viewed by creating a Paceline account.   May have better 
>>> luck if you post pics on this thread.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com <> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
>>>> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
>>>> Recessed nut.
>>>> 
>>>> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>>>> 
>>>> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>>>> 
>>>> Photos are easiest to find here. 
>>>> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Ben Adrian
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[RBW] FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[Ben Adrian]

Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
Recessed nut.

Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.

$110 for the set, shipped in the L48

Photos are easiest to find here. 
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Ben Adrian]

I've been on the lookout for a set of Paul Racer brakes for my rim brake 
bike. I tend to find that cheaper U brakes have too much spring tension and 
are not adjustable. My expectation is that Paul with be a very nicely made 
brake with much more tweakability that I'll enjoy.  I probably should just 
buy it new to support the semi-local business.

-Ben

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:11:40 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black 
> Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like 
> them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had 
> on the bike.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. 
>>
>> I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I 
>> applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want 
>> of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. 
>> Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old 
>> Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop 
>> surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of  in my pocket. YRMV, 
>> but I’m happy. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>>> love levers. Are they worth it? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Ben Adrian]

I was in Portugal in May and got a pair of these capri-length 
shorts/knickers at Decathlon.
https://www.decathlon.fr/p/bermuda-de-randonnee-nh500-homme/_/R-p-332747

Now, I've always loved the "longer than shorts, shorter than pants" 
clothing. But sometimes people are less friendly to dudes who wear capris. 
Luckily, when I tried them on my wife thought that I looked super cute. So 
those short pants became the hit of the summer. They are by far my best 
short/pants for casual bike riding. They are my best non-lycra pant. I 
should have bought 4 of 'em. Next time I'm gonna stock up.

Ben

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 2:14:23 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Awesome. Perfect fall outfit, and very reminiscent of our 90s days (like a 
> polished grunge?) - bring it back! Also love the pants, a little bit of 
> stretch is so great for riding. And your Sam is dressed in similar fashion 
> and just looks like it goes with your ‘fit. Thanks for posting; I get no 
> small amount of delight from these Bike Style posts!
> L
>
> On Oct 3, 2023, at 10:46 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> I am not particularly stylish, but my cool but dry autumn day kit is 
> extremely Vancouverite: 
>
>
> - Du/er stretchy slim fit jeans
> - Patagonia flannel shirt (absolutely the best quality flannel shirt I've 
> ever touched) 
> - Vessi waterproof sneakers 
> - Arcteryx thin merino gloves (not pictured) 
>
> I neglected to wear a cap today, so style points lost there. My helmet is 
> just an old MTB hand-me-down .. I need to refresh that. 
>
> 
>
>
> As it gets colder, I'll pull out the Randi Jo over-the-ear wool cap and 
> wear the Ronnie leather gloves I recently purchased. 
>
> On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 19:18:28 UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> It's like my foot changed in the last year or two... All the shoes in the 
>> sizes I used to be able to wear no longer fit, and that goes for bike 
>> shoes, formal shoes, casual shoes... Bought a pair of those VeloSambas – in 
>> BLUE SUEDE, and TWO sizes larger than I used to wear, which now somehow 
>> fits – and am about to try them out on the bike. 
>>
>> - Max "if the shoe fits, wear it" in A2 
>>
>> [image: best foot forward.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 7:02:32 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Max - I love the shoes. If those didn’t work out, you’ll grace us with a 
>>> photo on the bike of their replacements, I just know it.
>>>
>>> Luke - so good. Black on black with all the accessories (“cuz men gotta 
>>> have their accessories”), looking fit and content on that Atlantis with the 
>>> rainbow top tube. Love it. 
>>> Goal: Find you a bike style photographer like Luke’s. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 12:52 AM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:27:02 PM UTC-7 J wrote:
>>>
>>>> That Coppi chest pocket shirt above was remade by Ostroy 
>>>> https://ostroy.com/products/mesh-resort-shirt-with-front-buttons-pocket
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 9:41:19 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Love that you match your bike so well.  Great style for your bike and 
>>>>> you!  You are a well-matched pair.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay...I'll risk the catcalls and cheap jokes - here's a glamour pic 
>>>>>> of my stylish riding kit. I say "function first & to each their own". 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_1918.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:41:28 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Johnny, fellow Gex Xer here. 80s fashion was something to behold 
>>>>>>> indeed! I must say that I do miss my black Members Only jacket and wish 
>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>> still had it. I'll leave the denim jean jacket in the past though along 
>>>>>>> with the mullet haircut.
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:18:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *where. Man do I hate that there is no edit functionality
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:17:31 AM UT

Re: [RBW] Paul Racer Brake Noise/Vibration

[Ben Mihovk]

For sure! I'll see if I can find time when I get home from work.



On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 12:12 PM JohnS  wrote:

> Hello Ben, maybe it would help the group if you were to post a picture or
> two of your current set up.
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good to know...but if my brake is mounted on the fork, I'm not sure where
>> I'd mount a fork-mounted cable hanger.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:50:52 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> This is a common complaint with headset-mounted cable hangers. Changing
>>> to a fork-mounted hanger usually alleviates the problem. Shovel Research
>>> just released a nice one:
>>> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 5:54 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I just got a new set of Racer (regular) brakes for my sidepull
>>> Hillborne. Everything's set up, the brakes are grabbing/stopping, but I'm
>>> getting the most horrific noises from the pads on the front brakes. I'm
>>> using the Kool Stop Thinlines that Paul sends with the brakes. I set them
>>> up following the instructions from Paul initially (no toe-in), and the
>>> brakes squealed on the first test ride. So I toed them in and now I'm
>>> getting this awful vibration when the pads touch the rims that gets
>>> louder/more intense with speed. The vibration can be felt in the
>>> saddle...all through the frame. Truly harrowing stuff here. When I full
>>> pull the brake levers, the vibration kind of goes away but I get a light
>>> squeal (even with brakes toed in).
>>>
>>> I've never set up centerpull brakes or any brakes with a straddle
>>> wire/hanger. I can't see how the problem could be from anything but how the
>>> pads are hitting. I've double checked to see that the unit is centered when
>>> I tighten it. The one goofy thing I'm noticing is that the right arm of the
>>> brake seems lower because I have the pad set higher in the arm than on the
>>> left side...but I've taken the pads off completely and recentered the brake
>>> unit and I'm getting the same results.
>>>
>>> I've read a little about how big frames (this is a 62cm Sam) can have
>>> the vibrations because of the length of cable and how tension varies
>>> through the pull (or something like that). I've also read that this kind
>>> issue could be from cheap/flimsly brakes...but I would hope that Paul
>>> brakes would be above suspicion here. I've also heard that if something is
>>> loose on the brake assembly, the vibrations can happen.
>>>
>>> However...I'm convinced it's in how I have the pads set...I don't get
>>> vibrations when the pads are not toed-in...toeing in almost seems to bring
>>> about the vibrations.
>>>
>>> Any ideas anyone has would be very helpful. I'm at the end of my rope
>>> and considering removing the Pauls and going back to the squisy and not
>>> very good Tektros Riv put on it originally.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben in Omaha
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Paul Racer Brake Noise/Vibration

[Ben Mihovk]

Good to know...but if my brake is mounted on the fork, I'm not sure where 
I'd mount a fork-mounted cable hanger. 

Ben

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:50:52 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> This is a common complaint with headset-mounted cable hangers. Changing to 
> a fork-mounted hanger usually alleviates the problem. Shovel Research just 
> released a nice one: 
> https://shovelresearch.com/fork-mounted-brake-cable-hanger
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 5:54 AM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> I just got a new set of Racer (regular) brakes for my sidepull Hillborne. 
> Everything's set up, the brakes are grabbing/stopping, but I'm getting the 
> most horrific noises from the pads on the front brakes. I'm using the Kool 
> Stop Thinlines that Paul sends with the brakes. I set them up following the 
> instructions from Paul initially (no toe-in), and the brakes squealed on 
> the first test ride. So I toed them in and now I'm getting this awful 
> vibration when the pads touch the rims that gets louder/more intense with 
> speed. The vibration can be felt in the saddle...all through the frame. 
> Truly harrowing stuff here. When I full pull the brake levers, the 
> vibration kind of goes away but I get a light squeal (even with brakes toed 
> in). 
>
> I've never set up centerpull brakes or any brakes with a straddle 
> wire/hanger. I can't see how the problem could be from anything but how the 
> pads are hitting. I've double checked to see that the unit is centered when 
> I tighten it. The one goofy thing I'm noticing is that the right arm of the 
> brake seems lower because I have the pad set higher in the arm than on the 
> left side...but I've taken the pads off completely and recentered the brake 
> unit and I'm getting the same results.
>
> I've read a little about how big frames (this is a 62cm Sam) can have the 
> vibrations because of the length of cable and how tension varies through 
> the pull (or something like that). I've also read that this kind issue 
> could be from cheap/flimsly brakes...but I would hope that Paul brakes 
> would be above suspicion here. I've also heard that if something is loose 
> on the brake assembly, the vibrations can happen.
>
> However...I'm convinced it's in how I have the pads set...I don't get 
> vibrations when the pads are not toed-in...toeing in almost seems to bring 
> about the vibrations. 
>
> Any ideas anyone has would be very helpful. I'm at the end of my rope and 
> considering removing the Pauls and going back to the squisy and not very 
> good Tektros Riv put on it originally.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha
>
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[RBW] Paul Racer Brake Noise/Vibration

[Ben Mihovk]

Good morning,
I just got a new set of Racer (regular) brakes for my sidepull Hillborne. 
Everything's set up, the brakes are grabbing/stopping, but I'm getting the 
most horrific noises from the pads on the front brakes. I'm using the Kool 
Stop Thinlines that Paul sends with the brakes. I set them up following the 
instructions from Paul initially (no toe-in), and the brakes squealed on 
the first test ride. So I toed them in and now I'm getting this awful 
vibration when the pads touch the rims that gets louder/more intense with 
speed. The vibration can be felt in the saddle...all through the frame. 
Truly harrowing stuff here. When I full pull the brake levers, the 
vibration kind of goes away but I get a light squeal (even with brakes toed 
in). 

I've never set up centerpull brakes or any brakes with a straddle 
wire/hanger. I can't see how the problem could be from anything but how the 
pads are hitting. I've double checked to see that the unit is centered when 
I tighten it. The one goofy thing I'm noticing is that the right arm of the 
brake seems lower because I have the pad set higher in the arm than on the 
left side...but I've taken the pads off completely and recentered the brake 
unit and I'm getting the same results.

I've read a little about how big frames (this is a 62cm Sam) can have the 
vibrations because of the length of cable and how tension varies through 
the pull (or something like that). I've also read that this kind issue 
could be from cheap/flimsly brakes...but I would hope that Paul brakes 
would be above suspicion here. I've also heard that if something is loose 
on the brake assembly, the vibrations can happen.

However...I'm convinced it's in how I have the pads set...I don't get 
vibrations when the pads are not toed-in...toeing in almost seems to bring 
about the vibrations. 

Any ideas anyone has would be very helpful. I'm at the end of my rope and 
considering removing the Pauls and going back to the squisy and not very 
good Tektros Riv put on it originally.

Thanks!
Ben in Omaha


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[RBW] Re: FS: EVERYTHING! Lots of parts and tools

[Ben Adrian]

also PM ing

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:56:12 AM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> Also sent a pm :)
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:52:39 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> PM coming
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:27:56 AM UTC-7 twowheeledtexan wrote:
>>
>>> I'm moving and clearing out a bunch of stuff I've been hoarding. Prices 
>>> are shipped, PP or Venmo, you pay the fees or friends and family. Discounts 
>>> for multiple things, the more you buy the better so I don't have to ship 
>>> multiple little things. If you don't like the price just make a reasonable 
>>> offer. The pics should go along with the list hopefully. I'm in NW Indiana 
>>> an hour from Chicago if you really wanted to come pick something up. I'll 
>>> also be listing a few bikes soon. Please just message or email me instead 
>>> of crowding the forum with responses.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1--2QXscjKipzaGsGAcK8fKL8KamllTMS?usp=drive_link
>>>
>>> Bike parts listed in general from top left of picture down to bottom 
>>> right. Everything is used and in good condition unless otherwise mentioned 
>>> or New In Box.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Threaded stems:*
>>>
>>> Nitto forged Tallux I believe 25.4x110 150mm min insertion $60
>>>
>>> Nitto Technomic 26x100 150mm min insert $40
>>>
>>> Technomic 26x70x 150mm $40
>>>
>>> Technomic 26x50x 150 $40
>>>
>>> Discord Fingerling 70mm and 50mm x 31.8 $120
>>>
>>> Discord Wright 30mmx31.8 $120
>>>
>>> Velo Orange 80x31.8x 150mm $30
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Threadless stems:*
>>>
>>> Velo Orange 25.4x100 $25
>>>
>>> VO 25.4x90 $25
>>>
>>> VO 25.4x80 $25
>>>
>>> Soma 25.4x100 $20
>>>
>>> Soma 26x100 $20
>>>
>>> IRD 26x80 $25
>>>
>>> Silver unmarked 26x100 $5 or free with any other purchase
>>>
>>> Nitto UI85EX 26x60 $80
>>>
>>> Dimension 31.8x100 $5 or free with any other purchase
>>>
>>> FSA 31.8x90 $10
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Brake levers:*
>>>
>>> Shimano BL-R550 2 sets black and 3 sets silver $30 a set
>>>
>>> Sunrace no markings on them but I believe they’re the V brake model that 
>>> Riv used to sell $30
>>>
>>> Shimano BL-R780 black V brake NIB $30
>>>
>>> Dia Compe short pull $10
>>>
>>> TRP RRL Black $60
>>>
>>> TRP RRL Gum $80
>>>
>>> Gevenalle GX 10 spd Shimano mtn short/long pull compatible $120
>>>
>>> Gevenalle/Retroshift 9spd Shimano short pull $110
>>>
>>> Cane Creek v brake $20
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Brakes:*
>>>
>>> Paul Comp Motolites 3 sets $180 a pair. One set does not have a barrel 
>>> adjuster on the noodle, I’ll take $150 for that set.
>>>
>>> Avid, vintage I think? $80 
>>>
>>> Paul Racer $180
>>>
>>> Avid shorty ultimates $50
>>>
>>> Paul touring canti $140
>>>
>>> Avid BB7 road 2 sets $20 each
>>>
>>> Tektro R539 med reach $50
>>>
>>> Tektro R559 long reach $50
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Brake pads:* All sets $5 each or free with another purchase
>>>
>>> Hayes MX-5 
>>>
>>> Sram Elixir
>>>
>>> Shimano JO2A
>>>
>>> Avid BB7
>>>
>>> Shimano inserts
>>>
>>> Kool Stop pads from Riv
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Shifters:*
>>>
>>> Silver Thumbies and mounts $100 NIB
>>>
>>> Silver downtube $40
>>>
>>> Shimano 9 spd $20
>>>
>>> Ene Ciclo/Dia Compe 11spd downtube set $60
>>>
>>> Paul thumbies mounts 2 sets 22.2 $60 set
>>>
>>> Suntour  vintage thumbies $20
>>>
>>> Shimano bar end pods 2 sets, one set without washers but I’ll give you 
>>> the dt washers shown next to them and you can file off the tabs if you 
>>> want. $20
>>>
>>> Microshift 9spd on mounts $30
>>>
>>> Shimano SL-M780 3x10, 2 sets, one has indicators $40
>>>
>>> Free with any purchase DT boss covers and DT barrel adjusters
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Derailleurs:*
>>>
>>> Deore RD-M591 9 spd silver $30
>>>
>>> Deore RD-M591 9 spd black $30
>>>
>>> Deore RD-T610 10spd $30
>>>
>>> XT RD-M786 10 spd w/clutch $40
>>>
>>> XT RD-M772 10 spd $40
>>>
>>> Microshift Advent X w/clutch $50
>>>
>>> Deore FD-T610 $20
>>>
>>> CX-70 Direct mount on clamp $20
>>>
>>> CX-70 Clamp $20
>>>
>>> Claris FD-2400 clamp $20
>>>
>>> IRD Alpina-F triple, direct mount on clamp $30
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Handlebars:*
>>>
>>> VO crazy bars $80
>>>
>>> VO Klunker $50
>>>
>>> Bosco heat treated aluminum 2 sets 1 new 25.4x58 $100, $80 used
>>>
>>> Losco HTA 25.4x54 $80
>>>
>>> Billie bar HTA 2 sets 25.4x58 $80
>>>
>>> Albatross steel 2 sets 25.4x 55 $60
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Crust towel rack 660x26 $100
>>>
>>> Crust towel rack 600x26 $100
>>>
>>> Nitto M-137 dirt drop 31.8x52 $80
>>>
>>> Soma portola 26x56 $30
>>>
>>> Nitto noodles M177 46x26 $40
>>>
>>> Spank flare 52x31.8 $100
>>>
>>> Jones bars 2 sets $50
>>>
>>> Vintage bullmoose bars 700mm across $40
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Seatposts:*
>>>
>>> Whiskey No. 7 carbon 31.6x400 $40
>>>
>>> Ritchey comp 27.2x400 $20
>>>
>>> Kalloy uno 26.8x350 $10
>>>
>>> Nitto dynamic 27.2x300 $60
>>>
>>> Silver unmarked prob Kalloy 27.2x250 $10 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Racks:*
>>>
>>> Nitto M-18 2 sets $80
>>>
>>> Nitto Mark’s rack w/long stays $100
>>>
>>> Nitto M-12 2 sets brake post mount $80
>>>
>>> Nitto like RBW 51 $100

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Super fun!
A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.

See you all at the next one!

Ben

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 
>
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting this 
>> together, Houston! -Matt
>>
>> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
>> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
>> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Same here, see you all in a bit. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our 
>>>> LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. 
>>>> Originally, 
>>>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>>>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>>>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>>>
>>>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>>>
>>>> When: 9 AM 
>>>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, 
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90027
>>>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>>>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>>>
>>>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>>>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>>>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>>>
>>>> -Houston
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>>>>>>>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>>>> specifics 
>>>>>>>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>>>>>>>> from 
>>>>>>>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>>>>>>>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but 
>>>>>>>>> wanted rep the set.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 
>>>>>>>>> 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Those bags look super cool. I look forward to checking them out on a future 
ride.

Ben

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: IMG_0338.jpeg][image: IMG_0337.jpeg][image: IMG_0336.jpeg]
>
> Ugh….super bummed I can’t make it! Sorry all. Something came up. 
>
> Off topic, but I dabble with sewing and have a few prototype bags that I 
> was gonna give away. Not really interested in shipping….just figured I’d 
> pass them on to the next person. Maybe we can get another ride scheduled 
> soon. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our LA 
>> Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. Originally, 
>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>
>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>
>> When: 9 AM 
>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, Los 
>> Angeles, CA 90027
>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>
>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>>>>>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>> specifics 
>>>>>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>>>>>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>>>>>> from 
>>>>>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>>>>>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted 
>>>>>>> rep the set.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 2022 
>>>>>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>>>>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at 
>>>>>>> the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is 
>>>>>>> really 
>>>>>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>>>>>>>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>>>>>>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
>>>>>>>> there 
>>>>>>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @bryce

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Looking forward to it, though I am Riv-less at the moment. The Riv-minded, 
party pace ride :)

Ben

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:27:46 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm planning to join! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 3:18:23 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, I'll have to pass.  More climbing than I'm in shape for at 
>> this time.
>>
>> David/Thousand Oaks/2015 Hillborne
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:14:15 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Great! Looking for to it. Looks like a perfect 71 degree day is in store 
>>> for us. The 9am start seems like a good balance. Early enough but not too 
>>> early. Admittedly the starting point is only a 30 min ride from my place.
>>>
>>> Brian/Glendale/2015 Hillborne
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our 
>>>> LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. 
>>>> Originally, 
>>>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>>>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>>>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>>>
>>>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>>>
>>>> When: 9 AM 
>>>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, 
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90027
>>>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>>>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>>>
>>>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>>>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>>>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>>>
>>>> -Houston
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>>>>>>>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>>>> specifics 
>>>>>>>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>>>>>>>> from 
>>>>>>>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>>>>>>>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but 
>>>>>>>>> wanted rep the set.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 
>>>>>>>>> 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>>>>>>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot 
>>>>>>>>> at the swap. It's a great event and

[RBW] Re: New Nitto x Blue Lug Power Stem

[Ben Stuart]

John,

would you mind measuring the height of your FW30 from the minimum insertion 
mark to the midpoint of the intersection between the stem shaft and the 
stem extension?

Many thanks.

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:38:11 PM UTC+2 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I recently bought one of these and just received it. I love the Nitto 
> MT-54S and this is indeed similar but it surpasses it in a few ways. 
>
>1. It has a little extra height. Not a ton but enough to give a little 
>more flexibility. Not a huge deal for me as I don't really need more 
> height 
>but that will be a plus for many people.
>2. The faceplate on the Blue Lug version is a little cleaner and 
>sports the Nitto logo in a classy way. The MT-54S faceplate is nice and 
>maybe even a little fancier to look at but I prefer the one on this Blue 
>Lug stem.
>3. These stems come in smaller sizes. The MT-54S stops at 80mm or 90mm 
>(I forget). I like the option to go shorter. In fact the whole reason I 
>went this way is because my new Clem is a long reach for me. I needed to 
>bring the bars closer than the stock 80mm Nitto allowed. Most options like 
>the MT-54S, the SimWorks stems, those new ones Rivendell sells or the Velo 
>Orange options stop at 80mm. Because of the rise it would have brought 
> them 
>a bit closer than the stock stem but not by a whole lot.  I was able to 
> get 
>a 70mm stem from Blue Lug. The Nitto Faceplatter is just too silly tall 
> for 
>me.
>4. A really nice plus is that the stem cap can be replaced with the 
>options offered by Analog and SimWorks if you want to add a dash of color. 
>I think between those two sources you can get gold, red, green, black and 
>silver. I picked up a gold one. The new Rivendell stem might be able to do 
>the same thing I am not sure.
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:48:32 AM UTC-5 jvoli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> These remind of an updated version (faceplate + additional vertical 
>> adjustment) of the old Ritchey Force (Nitto made) quill stems on 90s MTBs.  
>> I definitely want to try this out in the near future.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 8:27:18 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny that in their blog post Nitto shares two of Ron's bikes with the 
>>> Uncle Ron's Back Bars and yet this new stem wouldn't work with 'em! 
>>>
>>> https://bluelug.com/blog/global/nitto-power-stem/
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 11:25:40 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Happy to share, Jason! Best o'luck :) 

 On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 9:17:25 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Woo!  I might just buy the FW30 for the Bombadil.  I do like the 
> smooth fillets of the Riv version of this stem, but I'm somewhat between 
> sizes on the Riv stems and this has exactly what I want (the 100mm, which 
> will be around 90mm actual I believe). Thanks for sharing Eric! 
>
> On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 17:42:47 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Nice! It seems exactly like the MT-54S but maybe with a touch more 
>> height.  The MT-54S is my favorite Nitto stem.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 8:15:52 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me this group would go just plain bananas for this new stem!
>>>
>>> 25.4 clamp with a 4-bolt plate
>>>
>>> Nitto Power Stem 
>>> . Two 
>>> models with different rises, FW30 and FW33. Silver and black. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3951.jpg][image: IMG_8699.jpg]
>>> [image: 9509351F-ECA4-46BC-B163-EF1580DF7A48-900x600.jpg][image: 
>>> IMG_8709.jpg]
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-26 at 8.15.08 PM.png]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey everyone.
Goofy question and maybe I've already asked this...but I have a 2019 MIT 
Atlantis and the pump peg under the top tube is (I think) facing the wrong 
way. I have a 59cm so it's a long top tube with a little hanging peg...but 
the peg is towards the saddle and faces the head tube. When you put a pump 
in it, it slides down the head tube. If the peg were closer to the head 
tube and facing the seat tube, it would work great.

I've remedied this by putting the pump behind the seat tube and using a 
little slice of cork to stabilize/have the pump sit parallel to the tube, 
and quite frankly, I much prefer it here than under the top tube (I can't 
remember who suggested this to me on this board, but is a great hack!).

Just wondering if anyone with longer MIT Atlantis frames have the same 
issue? 

Ben in Omaha

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:53:09 AM UTC-5 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just finished this build 2 weeks ago and have been riding it every chance 
> I get. 53cm frame built up with lots of parts from the Owners bunch, My 
> local Bike non-profit Bearings Bike Works, and some new stuff from Riv. 
>
> [image: Atlantis.jpg]
>
> Planning to do the Asheville ride in July on it too!
>
> - Drew
>
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 11:01:49 PM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Vern,
>>
>> Yes that was me! I just camped in HMB last night with some pals. There 
>> was an orange Hunq along, too. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all!
I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to 
join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my 
availability.

Cheers!
Ben

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
> Has he seen this yet?
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do 
>> the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
>> a cafe stop or two thrown in. 
>>
>> I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA 
>> daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with 
>> interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
>> Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 
>> But it's beautiful and fun.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivet Imogene Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

Photos here. Thanks!
Ben
https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72157716325502908

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:47:35 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Rivet Imogene - Chestnut? CroMo rail. Shows some "patina". Also, there is 
> some discoloration from my denim pants. I want to love this saddle, but no 
> matter how hard I try I just don't get along with leather saddles. - $125 
> shipped
>
> Photos in this thread.
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291675
>
> More info here:
> https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-imogene/
>
> Please email directly as I get the digest version of the group.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivet Imogene Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

I've been informed that a Paceline account is needed to view photos on that 
site. Whoops. I'm attaching the photos here. 
Thanks!
Ben

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:47:35 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Rivet Imogene - Chestnut? CroMo rail. Shows some "patina". Also, there is 
> some discoloration from my denim pants. I want to love this saddle, but no 
> matter how hard I try I just don't get along with leather saddles. - $125 
> shipped
>
> Photos in this thread.
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291675
>
> More info here:
> https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-imogene/
>
> Please email directly as I get the digest version of the group.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivet Imogene Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

Rivet Imogene - Chestnut? CroMo rail. Shows some "patina". Also, there is 
some discoloration from my denim pants. I want to love this saddle, but no 
matter how hard I try I just don't get along with leather saddles. - $125 
shipped

Photos in this thread.
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291675

More info here:
https://rivetcycleworks.com/product/the-imogene/

Please email directly as I get the digest version of the group.

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: Question - when did derailleurs become "mechs"?

[Ben Adrian]

Yeah, I first heard it when I began watching GCN videos. It seems like the 
U.K. produces the mosts cycling media, with a huge uptick on Youtube from 
U.K. sources in teh last 5 years or so. that would be my guess.

Cheers!
Ben

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:20:39 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> The late, great Sheldon Brown on the same subject in one of his threads 
> referred to rear deraillers as "jumpers," which he said was the 
> African-American term for that component.  In similar manner, he called 
> cassettes "kah-septs" which he attributed to the French for some reason.  
> Hmmm...seems to be a bit of similarity here, but then there is what the 
> early mountain biking crews referred to a chain that had over shifted the 
> front derailler as "chain suck."  Go figure.
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> In 54 years of working on bicycles with derailleurs, I had never used or 
>> heard them referred to as "mechs" until the last year or so. Where did this 
>> come from? Does it only refer to non-electronic derailleurs?
>>
>> Laing
>> Old guy in Delray Beach FL
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everyone! 
This is still for sale. I've had some serious lookers, but no takers.
$1,500 plus shipping?
I need a new computer ;)

Cheers!
Ben

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 1:28:45 PM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:

> Good to know, thanks!
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:59:44 AM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It wasn't possible to do get the bars on the stem with the stem on the 
>> bike. Like an impossible puzzle. However, with both the stem and bars off 
>> of the bike I was able to gently rotate the stem as I was feeding it onto 
>> the handlebars. There was always one rotational point where the stem would 
>> move on the bars with no forcing. Cheers!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice bike, wish I could get it.
>>> A question about the build: How did you get the Soma Highway One bars 
>>> thru a Nitto quill stem? I was under the impression these bars required an 
>>> open face stem due to the abrupt curves.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alan in NYC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry the Rambouillet didn't fit you well, despite Grant's input on 
>>>> sizing. It was increasingly under square (top tube shorter than seat tube) 
>>>> up through the sizes. Your 58 has a 57cm TT, my 62's is 59cm. I think 
>>>> Grant 
>>>> was trying to incorporate into frame spec what is often "fit" with seat 
>>>> post setback, stem length, handlebar reach, etc. without excluding sizes 
>>>> and shapes of riders. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm the opposite of your phenotype, too long of leg/short of torso for 
>>>> my height and the Rambouillet fit me like a glove and deflected the need 
>>>> for a custom for 20 years. 
>>>>
>>>> Someone's in for a blast from the past sorry it had to come from this 
>>>> bike's envelope just being outside your perfect fit margins. Sometimes 
>>>> wider accessibility comes at a cost and trying to fit all who come isn't 
>>>> at 
>>>> the cost of ride quality. I know it was for me when looking around for my 
>>>> Rambouillet, all that sloped TT "fastback" foolishness was the meme. 
>>>> Brands 
>>>> made 3-4 sizes in a model and LBS would bodge fit with stem and post 
>>>> choices.
>>>>
>>>> Andy Cheatham
>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell 
>>>>> swears this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs 
>>>>>  
>>>>> ), Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up 
>>>>> paint 
>>>>> from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
>>>>> still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
>>>>> appropriate wear. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The Rundown: 
>>>>>
>>>>>- 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
>>>>>- Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
>>>>>- Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
>>>>>- Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
>>>>>- Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
>>>>>- TRP RRL Brake Levers
>>>>>- Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto 
>>>>>Noodle bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
>>>>>- Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I 
>>>>>also have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
>>>>>    - I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur 
>>>>>hanger extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not 
>>>>> quite as 
>>>>>awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
>>>>>- Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will 
>>>>>include.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, 
>>>>> but I can ship to a loving home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos: 
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>> Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
>>>>> The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The 
>>>>> ride is great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was 
>>>>> able 
>>>>> to make myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Ben Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] FS: Silver Shifter set

[Ben Adrian]

Original Silver Shifters set.
$50. I'll cover shipping.

I'm selling some other stuff too, none of it to Riv-y, but feel free to 
have a look.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bop/d/dodgertown-seatposts-saddles-cranks/7581168817.html

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

It wasn't possible to do get the bars on the stem with the stem on the 
bike. Like an impossible puzzle. However, with both the stem and bars off 
of the bike I was able to gently rotate the stem as I was feeding it onto 
the handlebars. There was always one rotational point where the stem would 
move on the bars with no forcing. Cheers!

Cheers!
Ben


On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-8 alan lavine wrote:

> Very nice bike, wish I could get it.
> A question about the build: How did you get the Soma Highway One bars thru 
> a Nitto quill stem? I was under the impression these bars required an open 
> face stem due to the abrupt curves.
> Thanks,
> Alan in NYC
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Sorry the Rambouillet didn't fit you well, despite Grant's input on 
>> sizing. It was increasingly under square (top tube shorter than seat tube) 
>> up through the sizes. Your 58 has a 57cm TT, my 62's is 59cm. I think Grant 
>> was trying to incorporate into frame spec what is often "fit" with seat 
>> post setback, stem length, handlebar reach, etc. without excluding sizes 
>> and shapes of riders. 
>>
>> I'm the opposite of your phenotype, too long of leg/short of torso for my 
>> height and the Rambouillet fit me like a glove and deflected the need for a 
>> custom for 20 years. 
>>
>> Someone's in for a blast from the past sorry it had to come from this 
>> bike's envelope just being outside your perfect fit margins. Sometimes 
>> wider accessibility comes at a cost and trying to fit all who come isn't at 
>> the cost of ride quality. I know it was for me when looking around for my 
>> Rambouillet, all that sloped TT "fastback" foolishness was the meme. Brands 
>> made 3-4 sizes in a model and LBS would bodge fit with stem and post 
>> choices.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell 
>>> swears this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs  
>>> ), Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up paint 
>>> from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
>>> still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
>>> appropriate wear. 
>>>
>>> The Rundown: 
>>>
>>>- 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
>>>- Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
>>>- Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
>>>- Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
>>>- Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
>>>- TRP RRL Brake Levers
>>>- Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto Noodle 
>>>bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
>>>- Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I 
>>>also have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
>>>- I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur hanger 
>>>extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not quite as 
>>>awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
>>>- Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will include.
>>>
>>>
>>> $1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, but 
>>> I can ship to a loving home.
>>>
>>> Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680
>>>
>>>  
>>> Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
>>> The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The ride 
>>> is great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was able to 
>>> make myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben Adrian
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Rambouillet 58cm Orange

[Ben Adrian]

Early 2000's Rivendell Rambouillet 58cm frame (Grant from Rivendell swears 
this is my size, but I'm a corgi with a long torso and short legs  ), 
Orange and Cream finish, lots of small paint dings, some touch-up paint 
from a previous owner, small top tube dent. Everything works great and it 
still looks stunning, but it was once somebody's daily driver and shows 
appropriate wear. 

The Rundown: 

   - 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet Frame/Fork
   - Mavic Open Pro Rims on Ultegra 6500 Hubs (32h) (12-26 cassette)
   - Ultegra 6500 Deraillures with 3x8 Bar End Shifters
   - Sugino XD Triple Crank 48-38-26
   - Panaracer Pasela 35c folding bead tires with maybe 50-60 miles.
   - TRP RRL Brake Levers
   - Soma Highway One bars (42cm)*BUT I also have some Nitto Noodle 
   bars in 42cm. take your pick!*
   - Nitto Cold forged 7cm stem (Tallux? It's pretty tall)   *BUT I also 
   have the same model in 10-11cm. take your pick!*
   - I'll also toss in an 8 speed 11-32 cassette and derailleur hanger 
   extender. I ran that for a while and while shifting was not quite as 
   awesome, having a 26 x 32 gear was nice.
   - Oh, there is also a set of beat up SKS fenders that I will include.


$1,600. + actual shipping cost. I'd, of course, prefer a local sale, but I 
can ship to a loving home.

Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benadrian/albums/72177720305079680

 
Why am I selling? I'd want to know as a buyer.
The size is a little big for me. It has never felt quite right. The ride is 
great. It glides over the road beautifully. Still ,I never was able to make 
myself comfortable. I just want to try other things.

Cheers!
Ben Adrian

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Re: [RBW] What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Ben Mihovk]

I guess I should add that I'm not really willing to go 31.8 clamp 
diameter...I'm looking only for 26mm.

Ben

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 12:59:25 PM UTC-6 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I quite like Ritchey's Venturemax, and also have a set of Salsa 
> Cowchippers.  Both are 12ish degrees of flare, which seems just right for 
> me.  Ergo bend bars are divisive, though.
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:16:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> I was certain I at least captured something since swapping to the RM013 
>> in 52cm but I’ve apparently failed at documenting anything on this one 
>> since this prior Salsa Cowbell build from June’21. 
>>
>> This would eventually wear the aforementioned Nitto bars with shim, 
>> Sugino GLP double cranks bought from Bill L., turned into a single 42t, 
>> Nitto 32f mini front rack with partial DIY light mount bracket from a cut & 
>> filed 52t chainring drilled and adapted for a Paul Gino light mount to get 
>> a battery light bar bracket out in front and above the tire.  Plus a Tubus 
>> Tara option for front low riders if another build meant for more errand 
>> running went down.  Actually, come to think of it, I never tested whether 
>> the Tara hoop would’ve interfered with the new light placement (or vice 
>> versa.)  It probably would have…
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi J,
>>> Adding this link for prosperity...  Primarily compares RM014 to RM013 
>>> but scroll to the bottom for the notable Noodle comparison!  I eventually 
>>> stumbled upon this page some time ago during searches for 52cm RM013 bars 
>>> and trying to verify how they were measured.  I'll see if I could dig up a 
>>> photo of the build though it'll likely differ in some regard from the most 
>>> recent variation as I had swapped bars/levers/cranks/wheel at various 
>>> points but unfortunately think I missed an proper photo documentation of 
>>> where it ended.
>>>
>>> http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:28:23 AM UTC-5 J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian-
>>>> That's good insight about the 52 vs 48, the difference being in the 
>>>> width of the flair only, since nowhere else is that useful info available. 
>>>> I've been considering moving from the narrowest Towel Rack V1 to a Noodle 
>>>> bar but have been unsure I could get along with the narrow width. What 
>>>> bike 
>>>> are you using the 52 Noodle on, any photos? 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They 
>>>>> make really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare 
>>>>>> only in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but 
>>>>>> that 
>>>>>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>>>>>> more technical terrain.) 
>>>>>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the 
>>>>>> measurements, which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> hair too narrow for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> the same model through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as 
>>>>>> well 
>>>>>> as a Salsa Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to 
>>>>>> center 
>>>>>> at the hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>>>>>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>>>>>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>>>>>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 
>>>>>> felt 
>>>>>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>>>>>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do li

[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Ben Mihovk]

Oooh...I like the looks of that. It's a contender!

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:05:41 AM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> Have you looked at the spank flare 25 from Analog? I rode them on one of 
> their demo bikes and it had a nice flare
>
>
> https://analogcycles.com/collections/bars/products/spank-flare-25-degree-bars?variant=42906531004648
>
> Max
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey everyone!
I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.

I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
technical or serious.

Thanks!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hello!
I think a lot of it has to do with how you set 'em up, but I have a "work" 
and "play" two Riv set up. Atlantis is work horse with racks, basket on the 
front, Sackville saddle sack for laptop, lunch, incidentals, upright bars, 
etc... I can carry a lot on it, it's stable loaded up, etc... I have a Sam 
Hillborne that's just to ride for fun. No racks, Swift Zeitgeist on the 
front for layers, snacks, phone/keys/wallet, x-small saddle sack on the 
back for tools/flat kit, drop bars. I like having a somewhat lighter and 
zippier bike to ride when I don't need to carry anything and I'm just going 
out for fun.

Now...I do ride my Atlantis for fun now and then, and I have taken the Sam 
to work when I don't have more than a lunch to carry with me. It's nice to 
ride one where you'd normally ride the other to see how each performs 
outside of the normal use.

Ben in Omaha 


On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:18:49 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> I have a Homer and HHH in the shed among other bikes. I'm on the fence 
> about getting a Platypus: I'd use it as an all-rounder commuter, like my 
> Homer. I have a medium saddlesack and 137 basket, which handles most of 
> what I would want to carry by bike. 
>
> I'd add a lightweight one-speed, like the coming RoadUno. Whenever I strip 
> down the Homer for maintenance and ride it (sans racks), it always sparks 
> joy. I would try to leave it as a minimal bike that's for Just Riding. 
>
> Enjoy!
> shoji
> arlington ma
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:30:20 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> When I started buying Rivendells after owning a 93 X0-1 (still have it), 
>> I started with the classic All-Rounder ordered in 1997. Since I still did 
>> longer road rides I got a custom Road in 2001 to replace a nice enough 
>> Rossin I had and later sold...fast but not especially comfortable since it 
>> was a typical Italian racing bike, so harsh with our roads the way they 
>> are. The Riv road is a great-riding bike, as is the all-rounder.
>>
>> I ordered a custom mixte late 2015 for my retirement bike but (I'm 
>> embarrassed to confess) don't ride it much mainly because it's a bit of a 
>> pain getting it up and down the narrow flight of stairs to my apartment and 
>> I won't lock it up in the garage; a little too risky. Not ready to let it 
>> go just yet, though, and if I were to sell it I doubt I'd recoup what I 
>> paid for it. Money aside, though, I put a lot of thought into how it was 
>> built up and it should be ridden. Fore and aft fit needs a little tweaking 
>> and I do plan to ride it more in the spring. Should practice the mixte 
>> deadlift like the Riv sisters often post
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:40:09 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>
>>> It's really rare to see the old Rivendells where I live so that I'm not 
>>> familiar to them but I always hear that Hunqapillar is one of the most 
>>> popular/admired Rivendells. I assume that you like the one you own much. 
>>> AlsoI wonder if there is a significant difference you find between 
>>> Hunqapillar and Appaloosa while they would be redundant.
>>>
>>> 2022年12月6日火曜日 20:50:09 UTC+9 captaincon...@gmail.com:
>>>
>>>> I have my Hunqapillar and my partner has a Rosco Bubbaloosa ATB Mixte, 
>>>> so that's two.  I currently have a Quickbeam too, but that's on its own 
>>>> way 
>>>> out.  I also owned a Sam Hillborne, but gasp, I was never comfortable 
>>>> enough on it.  The only current Riv that I like is the Appaloosa, but it 
>>>> would be redundant.  I have always wanted a canti-Romulus or an All 
>>>> Rounder 
>>>> and would buy either if it wasn't a hassle in any way.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:16:02 AM UTC-6 Masa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Luke! Thank you for your post, your Atlantis must be an amazing 
>>>>> looking bike!
>>>>> It's nice that you can enjoy cruising, trailing and even commuting 
>>>>> with one bike. In my case there aren't many trails near here in Tokyo so 
>>>>> that I made my Platypus as a commuter/grocery bike (43c semi slicked 
>>>>> Gravel 
>>>>> King, RMX pedal, chain guard, basket and fenders etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy with the current build of my Platypus so I would rather keep 
>>>>> it as it is than installing too much stuff to spoil the purpose of the 
>>>>> bike.
>>>>> Therefore I can understand that you would like to keep the Atlantis 
>>>>> as-is and own another o

[RBW] Re: Stem Length and Handlebar Width

[Ben Mihovk]

I, too, am interested in flaring out the drops in a noodle after seen Ronny 
Romance do it on a video. 


Thanks for all the insights everyone. I know I like the feel of 54cm for 
hand position on my Choco bars, though they are a lot closer to me. I feel 
just a little wobbly with 48cm Noodle bars and I feel like the 54cm would 
just nail the feel that I want when riding. I don't think I'll need to 
change my stem length after thinking about it. I did a little experiment 
with reach sitting at a chair and marking 48cm and 58cm lines on the edge 
of a desk and the difference in feel touching my index fingers to both sets 
of lines. Negligible. Plus, as someone who'd only had a drop bar bike for 
one year, I have a little more getting used to to the saddle position that 
gets me in the hoods.

Thanks again, all! 
Ben in Omaha 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:25:48 PM UTC-6 J wrote:

> I'd be interested in seeing an example of the 54mm Noodle bar. I've been 
> considering them after breaking in my old MTB musculoskeletal system to be 
> more drop bar friendly using the older models of Crust Towel Racks starting 
> at the widest and now the most narrow. I'd still throw the Noodle in a vice 
> to flair them out a bit further but the shape looks very nice. 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:49:17 PM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If you like the reach with 9cm stem, I would just swap out the 48's for 
>> the 54's.. not a huge difference in width (1 inch per side?).   In fact, I 
>> just made this exact switch about a month ago on my 65cm Homer and kept the 
>> same stem with no ill effects.  I think this 54 noodle bar strikes a real 
>> sweet spot for taller riders like myself who don't necessarily need the 
>> full-on wide wide options that have become so popular.  
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be inclined to try the stem you have first IF you hadn't mentioned 
>>> it already feels a smidge long to you. In this case it's probably not worth 
>>> sliding your brand new bars through a stem you're very likely not going to 
>>> be happy with, then do it again. I'd get something 2cm shorter at least. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Everyone!
>>>> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
>>>> stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
>>>> same...right? 
>>>>
>>>> I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is 
>>>> pretty good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm 
>>>> noodle 
>>>> bar, I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your thoughts!
>>>> Ben in Omaha 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Stem Length and Handlebar Width

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey Everyone!
In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the 
stem length would have to get shorter to keep the reach about the 
same...right? 

I have 48cm noodle bars on my Sam with a 9cm tallux. The reach is pretty 
good...maybe a little on the stretchy side. If I go to a 54cm noodle bar, 
I'm thinking it'd be necessary to get a shorter stem. Right? 

Thanks for your thoughts!
Ben in Omaha 


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[RBW] Re: Derailleur precision and wear characteristics for 11+ speed systems

[Ben Adrian]

Campy Ekar is machanical only and has 13 speeds. I've heard nothing but 
good reviews (also, how high price comments). My guess is that they just 
have a lot of cable pull and the derailleur is a lower ratio than other 
mechanicals.

There's also the Ratio Technology retro-fit kit that turns SRAM 10 or 11 
speed mechanical into a 12 speed with their SRAM MTB mechanical standard, 
so one can run road shifters up front and mechanical 12speed MTB in the 
back. I've also heard good things about this.

I think the problems mainly come when people try to make a 1.7:1 ratio 
derailleur (like Shimano 7-8-9 speeds) work on higher numbers of cogs. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:12:00 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ted's remark raises an interesting question. I for one didn't think that 
> so very closely spaced cogs might require fine tolerances that exceed the 
> everyday capabilities of shift-by-cable systems, what with friction 
> changing with wear and dirt.
>
> So, question: Is it generally true that above 10 speeds or perhaps 11 
> cable systems don't work very well, or at least, shifting quality degrades 
> quickly compared to systems with fewer cogs and wider tolerances?
>
> I recall using a Cyclo Benelux pullchain rd* to shift 2 cogs hacked onto a 
> SA AW driver; to take an extreme case, I can't imagine that rd indexing 4 
> cogs let alone 12. It did index 2: all t'way for'ard and all t'way 
> backward. (Kidding.)
>
> So, again, to sum up: do 12 and 13 speed systems require and lock you in 
> to electric shifting?
>
> That is a question, not an implicit value judgment.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:14 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> ... 
>>
> Exactly! It's not like I used a super-accurate digital measuring device to 
>> come up with the numbers. When you're talking .1 mm, you can understand why 
>> it's hard to make a cable-shifting indexed system work reliably on tightly 
>> packed gears. I was able to confirm on the road my spreadsheet prediction 
>> that a Shimano 9-speed lever can work with a SunTour rear derailer and a 
>> Shimano 8-speed cassette.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] SunTour Rachet Bar Ends shifting a Modern RD - Need to Trim??

[Ben Adrian]

I have a nutty setup at the moment:
Silver 1 shifters
R7000 105 rear derailleur (yes, this is modern 11 speed which has a lower 
cable pull ratio)
11-32 8 speed cassette
9 speed chain

In general, it works really well. I have has some issues "finding" the 
larger cogs. When shifting from small to the 6th or 7th cogs, it sometimes 
either doesn't go enough, or goes too much. I make up for it by 
intentionally shifting too far and then trimming it back down. A bit 
tiresome, but I'm okay with it for the simplicity of the setup.

Also, since this RD has a 1.4 cable pull ratio rathe than a 1.7 of the 9 
speed and earlier RDs, it sould have finer movement. I believe that I have 
experienced this. The R7000 is definitely more forgiving than the RD-6500 
that I had on previously. Thought if I want to go back to my indezed 
shifters, I know this RD won't work.

Cheers!
Ben

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:36:23 AM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> While were on the subject. I have some Riv Silver 2 shifters. I can’t seem 
> to get the tension right. They’re either stiffer than I’d like or they 
> slip. New housing and cables. Any tips?
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 8:23 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Scott has covered this completely so I'll just add this from my 
>> experience with various ratcheting style shifters: I've never noticed the 
>> specific number of clicks per cog, what I *have *noticed is the ratchet 
>> feature makes the "I have to move the lever this much to get a clean shift" 
>> action easier to nail. I can't explain why it helps me, but I always had 
>> better luck with them than pure friction levers. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:43:17 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> I'll attempt to add to the valuable information Dave and Nick have 
>>> shared...
>>>
>>> When thinking about compatibility with shifters, RDs, and cassettes; 
>>> keep in mind the RD does whatever the shifter (index, ratchet, or friction) 
>>> tells it to do, hence the "dummy" comment. So you can for the most part 
>>> eliminate the RD from your compatibility question.
>>>
>>> Your Shimano 8 speed shifter works with your Shimano 7 speed cassette 
>>> because the "indexing" in the shifter is matched with the spacing between 
>>> the cassette cogs; hence one click, one shift. So when you click a shift 
>>> the shifter pulls the cable an amount that causes the RD to move (inboard 
>>> or outboard) an amount equivalent to the distance between the cogs of the 
>>> cassette. On a Shimano 8 speed cassette the distance between cogs is 4.8 
>>> mm, so each time you shift with a Shimano 8 speed indexed shifter the RD is 
>>> going to move 4.8 mm inboard or outboard. Shimano 9 speed cassettes have 
>>> the cogs spaced 4.34 mm apart. You can see the problem if you were to use, 
>>> for example, a Shimano 9 speed indexed shifter with an 8 speed cassette 
>>> (one shift would move RD 4.34 mm, not the needed 4.8 mm between 8 speed 
>>> cassette cogs) Your 8 speed shifter works on the 7 speed cassette because a 
>>> limit screw on the RD doesn't allow it to move the full distance into the 
>>> 8th position and the distance between cogs on a 7 speed cassette are the 
>>> same as 8 speed: 4.8 mm. Indexing (space between cogs) is the same between 
>>> Shimano 7 and 8 speed, so they play well together. If you were to use a 
>>> cassette from a different manufacturer in which the distance between cogs 
>>> was different from that of a Shimano cassette, then you'd likely run into a 
>>> compatibility issue with your 8 speed shifter/non-Shimano cassette 
>>> (assuming cog spacing was different from an 8 speed Shimano cassette).
>>>
>>> One can almost look at a friction shifter as allowing infinite 
>>> adjustment. Riders that are good with them almost develop an indexing in 
>>> their head/hand feel then fine tune after a shift. No indexing to a 
>>> friction shifter so you can run a friction shifter with any make/speed 
>>> cassette. Just have to find the sweet spot yourself.
>>>
>>> The ratchets move the shift cable in little bits (and the RD in little 
>>> bits) I believe (I've never ran them. Someone, please, correct me if I'm 
>>> wrong). So each click moves the shift cable a certain amount that in turn 
>>> moves the RD a certain amount. You'd have to do some research to find out 
>>> how much the RD moves with each click of your 1975s and then do some math. 
>>> You know, at least with your Shimano 7 speed cassette, the co

Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Just wanted to check in. I've been using the SIlver 1 shifters as bar ends 
for a while. Overall, things were good, but I did have some ghost shifting 
under torque and something just seemed less than precise. For the record, 
I've been using my Ultegra 6500 RD with a hanger extender to get up to a 32 
on the back. 

I took my bike to my list member Jason's house to use his hanger alignment 
tool. It was a little better, but still had some issues with ghost shifting 
under torque. I noticed that there was a little left-right play in the 
derailleur hanger bolt interface. 

So, I happened to have a 105 R7000 RD (11 speed) kicking around. I put that 
on with no idea if it would work. Surprise, it works really well. Silver 1 
shifter, 11 speed RD, 8 speed cassette, 9 speed chain.
I was still getting occasional ghost shifting, especially on larger cogs. 
Much better, but still not perfect. I felt like there was stil a little 
cable play and imprecision on the rear... Like it sometimes settled into a 
position.

It was raining today, so just for fun I mounted the shifters on the 
downtube again. I'm getting pretty quick at this. The improvement felt 
dramatic to me. I'm using off brand shift housing, and I don't know how 
well the housing is sitting in the shifter pods. I just have a feeling that 
something is amiss in that the pod to housing to cable stop interface.

So, I'll roll with this for a while until if and when I get annoyed by 
something. I'll pull my cable housing from under the tape and try some kind 
of alternate routing if I get restless on the next rainy day.

Now I'mjust having fun.

Cheers!
Ben

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:33:47 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> With the Shimano's I find I often shift with the lever between my pinkie 
> and ring finger.   Almost effortless and one of those things one does 
> without thinking.
>
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:14:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I can't comment on the Shimano comparison but I've used Silver1 and 2 as 
>> bar-ends and liked that long blade better. The way you can drop your whole 
>> hand and pull up on the ratcheting direction with your two rear fingers 
>> (pinkie and the other one) can't be beat for friction shifting. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 3:07:00 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Adding to Ben's comments.  I've been running Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed 
>>> bar ends on my bikes for awhile, in friction mode.  Recently wanted to see 
>>> what, if any, difference Silver2 shifter would be.  So last week I 
>>> purchased one Silver2 lever for the rear to try on one bike.  Yes, had to 
>>> use my Dremel to shave off the little nub on the Shimano pod, which doesn't 
>>> affect the ability to go back to using the Shimano shift lever.  After a 
>>> few days of riding with the Silver2 lever the verdict is in and I've 
>>> switched back to the Shimano lever.  Smoother operation and more 
>>> comfortable ergonomics, in my opinion.
>>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:40:38 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love this conversation and have learned alot from it.  I'm not the 
>>>> only one to be bothered w/cable routing, etc.  There is no perfect 
>>>> solution 
>>>> - long cables, impaired shifting, down tube or stem shifters...  I have 
>>>> bar 
>>>> ends (friction) on albatross bars and long cables which sometimes get in 
>>>> the way of closing my front
>>>>
>>>>  bag.  [image: fanny.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 7:57:10 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
>>>>> square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
>>>>> I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube 
>>>>> where I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with 
>>>>> MAYBE 
>>>>> a bit of bonus friction from the housing. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the 
>>>>>> indexing shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it 
>>>>>> impossible

Re: [RBW] Tire shipping advice

[Ben Mihovk]

You can get creative with how you cut cardboard boxes into different
shapes. If you find one big enough to lay the tires down in, you can use a
razor/box opener to cut down the corners of the box and then trim the flaps
to the size you need. It's really hard to explain and it's something I
messed up a few times before I could do it well (I work in a golf shop that
ships oddly shaped things now and then), but it's do-able.

Otherwise, you could try to find unwanted TV boxes or cardboard boxes that
people ship art in?

Good luck,
Ben

On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 4:20 PM Ezri Rose  wrote:

> Does anyone have experience shipping wire bead tyres? I have some 26"
> studded Schwalbe Marathon winter tyres I would like to sell. But I have no
> idea how to ship them. It's probably not good for them to fold them, right?
> Selling them locally isn't an option, as I've moved from Colorado to
> Florida 
> Ezri,
> Merritt Island, FL
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[RBW] Los Angeles Ride Saturday October 1st

[Ben Adrian]

Hello Riv List. I often plan rides for my non-racing bike friends. Many of 
them are Riv riders and a few even post here. This Saturday I"m doing a 
fun, casual ride around L.A. to eat donuts, talk music, and nerd out on 
bicycles. The description I posted to my friends is below. Thanks!

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I love donuts. I love bikes. Let's do both! I've planned a mostly flat, 
casual ride, but there are a couple of little climbs thrown in because it's 
L.A. and you can't avoid it.

Saturday October 1st. 9:00 am.
Ms. Donut.
1353 Glendale Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90026

Meet up at Ms. Donut for the first snack.
We then ride to the river path (first climb to get there) and stop by La 
Colombe if anyone wants good coffee.
After that it's up to Eagle Rock to Colorado Donut.
Next is a sharp climb, a fast descent, and a stop at Donut Friend for any 
vegan needs.
Then a cruise AROUND Mt. Washington (not over), through Chinatown, and 
landing at Donut Man (or whatever else you want) at Grand Central Market.
Then back to the start.

I'm going to promote this ride to the Rivendell owner's list. Really, ride 
any bike you want and wear whatever you want. All are welcome. Still, if 
you are fortunate enough to own more than one bike, I encourage riding your 
steel frame, flat pedal, easy-going commuter bike.

A few pieces of advice.

   - Parking can be annoying if you plan to drive to the ride. You're 
   welcome to meet at my place at 8:30 and ride down with me. Text me for 
   details if you need them. 
   - There is also no bathroom at the start. There's a McDonald's across 
   the street, though. 
   - It's probably a good idea to bring a lock on this ride. 
   - At least one donut shop is Cash Only.
   
Strava Event: https://www.strava.com/clubs/303280/group_events/1251872
Strava Route: https://www.strava.com/routes/3009362240178879004

See you Saturday!
Ben
510-543-6407   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Since I didn't REALLY want to mangle the pods, I decided to dremed the 
square centered washer spacers. A few minutes carefullt carving on each and 
I got the stopper washers to fit over the indexing alignment bump.

Here's hoping for the best on my ride this evening. 
I really live in a charmed world... Amixing shifting on the downtube where 
I have to lean dow a couple inches vs quick-access bar end with MAYBE a bit 
of bonus friction from the housing. 

Cheers!
Ben

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> The half-round function is to locate the indexing function of the indexing 
> shifters correctly. Not strictly necessary, but it makes it impossible to 
> install an indexing shifter incorrectly - idiot proofing. It is easily 
> removed with a file or Dremel to allow silver or Dia-Compe friction 
> shifters to be installed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> More shifter nerd talk!
>>  
>> Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning 
>> and ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's the 
>> deal.
>>
>> Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg
>>
>> There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
>> where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. The 
>> standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
>> their silver pods do not have this half-circle.
>>
>> The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano 
>> pods not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably 
>> don't want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle 
>> off and fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano performance 
>> in any way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 
>>
>> For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go crazy 
>> ;)
>>
>> Ben
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
>>> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise feeling.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
>>> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
>>> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
>>> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
>>> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
>>> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
>>> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>>>
>>> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
>>> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
>>>> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
>>>> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
>>>> appearance
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>>>>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>>>>
>>>>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my 
>>>>> first configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It 
>>>>> was kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>>>>
>>>>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>>>>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have 

[RBW] Re: Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Ben Adrian]

I have tried a lot of saddles and I find that I can't do any that have a 
strong arc or curve. It's too much of a "taint blaster". Unfortunately, 
I've found that almost all leather saddles have either too much arc, or are 
difficult to get into position. I have found a number of modern saddles 
that I like.

Specialized Power and Toupe saddles - 155mm width for me. These are flat 
and feel stable and comfortable. However, they do work best with padded 
bike shorts if the ride is long, and can start to get challenging after a 
couple hours without a padded chamois. 

I also have a Selle SMP "Plus" model as well. This has worked great on my 
Riv; correct amount of padding, desireable shap, but OH IT'S UGLY

I revently picked up a Rivet Imogene saddle from this forum. It's a flat, 
pretty wide saddle. I THINK it's working, but I"m waiting for a longer 
setback seatpost before I decide for sure. 

But holy hell, saddles are a litera and figurative pain in the ass until 
something comes along and you ride and stop thinking about it.

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> This might be bad advice since I like brooks saddles (the B-17), and only 
> gave up on them because my sweat in combination with my riding style 
> basically destroyed too many B-17s so quickly that I went with a lower 
> mainteneance solution. I switched over to the Ritchey WCS saddle, and 
> they've worked out great for me. What's impressive about them is that the 
> "Vector Wing" structure doubles as saddlebag loops, which is something that 
> doesn't exist on most plastic saddles.
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:39:19 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
>> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
>> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
>> Anatomica. 
>>
>> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
>> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
>> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>>
>> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in 
>> a similar riding configuration?
>>
>> Zack
>> Toronto, Canada
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

More shifter nerd talk!
 
Attemped to mount the silver shifter onto the shimano pod this morning and 
ran into a snag. Many of you probably know this, but if not, here's the 
deal.

Here's a photo of the Shimano Pod. Thanks Park Tool!
https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/repairhelp/barendshifter44.jpg

There is a little extra half-circle of metal on the little square area 
where one fits a spacer/washer. The shimano spacer fits right over it. The 
standard square-hole washer does not. Riv obviously knows ths=is because 
their silver pods do not have this half-circle.

The only reason I can fathom why this is there is to make the Shimano pods 
not be compatible wiuth other bands of shift levers. They probably don't 
want people futzing around. I believe I can dremel that half-circle off and 
fit my washer, and it will also not affect the shimano performance in any 
way if I want to put the Shimano shifters back on. 

For now, I will remain a downtube shifter user and see if/when I go crazy ;)

Ben
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:53:11 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am with you Ben! First 20+ mile ride with the Silver thumbie rear. 
> Shifting is buttery smooth - love it! It is so responsive & precise feeling.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
> Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 
>
>
> Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
> However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
> I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
> gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
> tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
> an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
> direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 
>
> So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
> mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 
>
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
>> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
>> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
>> appearance
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>>
>>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>>
>>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>>
>>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>>
>>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>>> configurations.
>>>
>>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if 
>>> I should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>>
>>> Let's chat!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Pointless updates because I just like talking bikes. 

Ever since I rerouted my cables, my performance has been very good. 
However, I've never tried any of the Suntour/Silver ratchet shifters and 
I've always been curious. I found a used set here so I grabbed them. I 
gently removed my rear derailleur cable, wrapped the cable and housing, and 
tied it down to my rack. Then I mounted the SIlver shifter to the DT boss 
an ran the a new rear cable to the RD. WOw, these are really nice. And the 
direct cable run gives me the smoothest performance yet. 

So now... set up the front and leave it as a DT shifter bike, or try 
mounting the Silvers on my Shimano pods and do full friction bar-end? 

Ben

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> I do a half and half set up with my Roadini - Silver One levers, front 
> shifter on the downtube and rear shifter on an IRD stem mount.  You can 
> just leave out the left threaded insert from the stem mount for a neater 
> appearance
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>
>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>
>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>
>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>> configurations.
>>
>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
>> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>
>> Let's chat!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Savannah recommendations and more?

[Ben Mihovk]

I can't speak to biking or bike shops in Savannah...but I can't recommend 
highly enough Vinny Van Go Go's for pizza. I was in Savannah in 2014 for a 
wedding and I still think about the to-go slice I got there. So good.

Ben
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:25:37 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone — I'm heading to Savannah for a few days in October. I've 
> never been. We'll be in town for a wedding and pretty busy with wedding 
> stuff but wanted to check in to see if there is good riding or bike shops 
> worth checking out. Haven't yet decided if I'm going to bring a bike but 
> could be swayed. 
>
> Thanks! 
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[RBW] WTB: long setback seatpost

[Ben Adrian]

Hey All!

I've recently purchased a leather saddle that I think I'll get along with. 
However, like most leather saddles, I'll need a bit more setback to really 
get my sit bones into the right place. 

The plan is to get the Velo-Orange Grand Cru 30mm setback post. I can find 
one for about $50 or so. However, before I buy a new piece of gear, I 
always like to look for something second-hand. Sometimes I can even find 
something nicer for about the same price as a new unit.

So, does anyone have a 27.2, 30mm or longer setback post they might be 
selling?
Thanks!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: FS - Riv Bits - Silver 1 Shifters, Sun/SRAM Dynamo Wheel, Compass Snoqualmie Pass Tires, Rivet Saddle

[Ben Adrian]

I bought the saddle and shifters from Huston and I just wanted to drop a 
note here. His pacing job was the BEST packing job of used gear that I have 
ever received (bike or guitar). Fully reccommend him for transactions. 
Thanks Huston!

Ben

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 6:33:06 AM UTC-7 Huston wrote:

> All items are SOLD.  Thank you for your interest.
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 11:00:30 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>
>> Update #2.  Only the wheel remains.
>>
>> 1. Rivendell Silver 1 Shifters.  Shift levers are very clean.  Attachment 
>> hardware shows a bit more wear.  Does not include bar end pods; however, 
>> the stop washers that attach to the downtube bosses are included.  Plastic 
>> washers are not cracked (as they often are).  *SOLD*.
>>
>>
>> 2. Dynamo Wheel.  700c dynamo wheel with Sun CR18 36h rim.  The hub is a 
>> SRAM I-Light D7 series.  For a used wheel, the hub is quite clean.  Rim 
>> shows a bit of wear.  Includes QR skewer.  This would be a good wheel for 
>> giving dynamo lighting a whirl.  $75.00 plus shipping.  Box is 26x26x7.
>>
>> 3. Compass/Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (2).  700c x 44.  Standard 
>> casing.  Lightly used.  Rear tire shows a little tread wear; front tire 
>> shows minimal wear.  The tires were run with tubes, so they are clean on 
>> the inside.  *SOLD*.
>>
>> 4. Rivet "The Imogene" saddle.  Chrome rails.  Used but clean with a few 
>> light marks on the leather.  These have a listed width of 175mm.  *SOLD*.
>>
>> Huston
>> Lexington, KY
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 8:41:49 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>>
>>> Update:
>>>
>>> 1. Rivendell Silver 1 Shifters.  Shift levers are very clean. 
>>>  Attachment hardware shows a bit more wear.  Does not include bar end pods; 
>>> however, the stop washers that attach to the downtube bosses are included. 
>>>  Plastic washers are not cracked (as they often are).  $50.00 shipped to 
>>> CONUS.
>>>
>>> 2. Dynamo Wheel.  700c dynamo wheel with Sun CR18 36h rim.  The hub is a 
>>> SRAM I-Light D7 series.  For a used wheel, the hub is quite clean.  Rim 
>>> shows a bit of wear.  Includes QR skewer.  This would be a good wheel for 
>>> giving dynamo lighting a whirl.  $75.00 plus shipping.  Box is 26x26x7.
>>>
>>> 3. Compass/Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (2).  700c x 44.  Standard 
>>> casing.  Lightly used.  Rear tire shows a little tread wear; front tire 
>>> shows minimal wear.  The tires were run with tubes, so they are clean on 
>>> the inside.  *SOLD*.
>>>
>>> 4. Rivet "The Imogene" saddle.  Chrome rails.  Used but clean with a few 
>>> light marks on the leather.  These have a listed width of 175mm.  $100 
>>> shipped to CONUS.
>>>
>>> Huston
>>> Lexington, KY
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 12:23:58 PM UTC-4 Huston wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the process of overhauling a new-to-me Rivendell and have some 
>>>> Riv (or Riv-ish) items for sale.  Photos are available here 
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1g37oOx43Q13LLILmDfMDvV3fQ9yFBCaR?usp=sharing>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Rivendell Silver 1 Shifters.  Shift levers are very clean. 
>>>>  Attachment hardware shows a bit more wear.  Does not include bar end 
>>>> pods; 
>>>> however, the stop washers that attach to the downtube bosses are included. 
>>>>  Plastic washers are not cracked (as they often are).  $50.00 shipped to 
>>>> CONUS.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Dynamo Wheel.  700c dynamo wheel with Sun CR18 36h rim.  The hub is 
>>>> a SRAM I-Light D7 series.  For a used wheel, the hub is quite clean.  Rim 
>>>> shows a bit of wear.  Includes QR skewer.  This would be a good wheel for 
>>>> giving dynamo lighting a whirl.  $75.00 plus shipping.  Box is 26x26x7.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Compass/Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (2).  700c x 44.  Standard 
>>>> casing.  Lightly used.  Rear tire shows a little tread wear; front tire 
>>>> shows minimal wear.  The tires were run with tubes, so they are clean on 
>>>> the inside.  $85.00 shipped to CONUS.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Rivet "The Imogene" saddle.  Chrome rails.  Used but clean with a 
>>>> few light marks on the leather.  These have a listed width of 175mm.  $100 
>>>> shipped to CONUS.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for looking.  Please send a PM if you are interested.  I will 
>>>> update the list as items are sold.
>>>>
>>>> Huston
>>>> Lexington, KY
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro R559 - Cable Anchor Bolt Replacement?

[Ben Adrian]

Could a small cable channel be cut with something like a dremel? I've never 
used these brakes, so I"m not sure if this is a possible modification.

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 10:47:28 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Remember that Stainless Steel cables require a different flux and solder 
> than the older galvanized cables. The solder and flux for SS works on 
> galvanized but not vice-versa.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:43:58 PM UTC-4 Tim Tetrault wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the soldering idea- that’s great. On my particular 559s 
>> there’s not one grove but three that seems to act as friction bites on the 
>> cable. 
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:39 lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> You can solder the cable that goes in the anchor. You can still crush 
>>> the soldered cable, but the soldered cable will take more clamping force 
>>> before it crushes.
>>> I also align the square washer so it contacts the cable along the full 
>>> length and keep the cable as close as possible to the bolt. There is a 
>>> semi-concave groove somewhere in there as I recall.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 1:01:25 PM UTC-4 Tim Tetrault wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Folks, 
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2012 Sam that uses Tektro R559 side pull canti's with a square 
>>>> "smush" style anchor bolt for the brake cable. (See picture)
>>>>
>>>> Trouble is I generally fray or smush the brake cable more than I'd 
>>>> like. Can one replace these with something that has a little bit more of a 
>>>> "pocket" for the cable, so I can adjust as the pads wear with less 
>>>> smushing/fraying?
>>>>
>>>> Something like this- 
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Brake-Part-Anchor-Bolt-Tektro/dp/B0047MCLUE
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the answer is I get one of those 'third hand' brake tools to 
>>>> really seat it in there better when installing...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Royal Blue Slimsucker

[Ben Mihovk]

Bag is spoken for. Thanks!

Ben

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 8:13:48 AM UTC-5 Ben Mihovk wrote:

> [image: 3.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 8:12:45 AM UTC-5 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
>> [image: 2.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Royal Blue Slimsucker

[Ben Mihovk]

Good morning!
I got this Slimsucker a year ago and it worked perfectly for me. Long story 
short...I need to carry my lunch this school year and the Slimsucker is 
just barely too small to fit everything I carry, and I hate to add a bag or 
basket just to carry my lunch. I can still use this bag, so I'm leaving it 
up to fate...if someone else wants it, it's my sign to order the BagBoy. If 
not, I'll just keep using it.

The bag is in the kind of shape you'd expect for a year of use...nothing 
major (except the little hole in the third pic...I think the corner of my 
laptop might have settled there for a few weeks as I kept putting in the 
laptop on top of my sunglasses case). 

I'm asking for $100 shipped USPS Priority in the US. See pics below and let 
me know if you have questions. Thanks!

Ben in Omaha


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[RBW] Re: WTB Slimsucker

[Ben Mihovk]

Did you ever find a slimsucker? I know they've restocked at Riv since you 
posted this. I'm about to list mine (royal blue) so I can upgrade to the 
regular saddle sack (just need that extra bit of room after a year of use). 

If you're all set, no worries. I'm posting it now either way, so if you are 
interested let me know and I'll put you to the front of the line.

Ben

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 3:00:45 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> This bag seems like it would be a good fit given the clearance I have. 
> Does anyone have one they want to move along?
>
> They are sold out at Riv. 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Mihovk]

I have a Sam with 700x38 Gravel King slicks. Pretty good, decent price. 
Smooth and snappy on pavement and fairly stable on gravel. Being over 
200lbs, I'm hesitant to run them lower than mid 40s PSI, so I think at some 
point I'll switch to the Snoqualmies so I can run a lower PSI. 

Ben in Omaha 
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 9:52:00 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm going to retract my statement and say these XL Snoqualmie's are the 
> bee's knees. They feel every bit as fast as the 28's but I can tell they 
> won't beat me up as much when the mileage starts ticking. It should be 
> noted that they're mounted on some very narrow Mavic Open 4 CD rims so they 
> actually only measure around 37/38mm.  
>
> I'd take things a step further and also recommend a lightweight wheelset 
> if the goal is spirited riding with a light load. Nothing too crazy light, 
> but putting super supple tires on stout touring wheels just seems a little 
> backwards. 
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:33:05 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Never measured the 27s and the bike they were on was stolen a few years 
>> back unfortunately. I'll have to check the 40s and get back to you.
>>
>> I've only very briefly ridden soma shikoros. They were nice too, though I 
>> have to say i didn't like them as much. They were on wildly different bikes 
>> though and the shikoros were at much higher pressure so not a great 
>> comparison.
>>
>> In that same size I have a set of mavic all road tires in 35mm to go on 
>> some future build as well. Haven't ridden the 35s yet but i had the same 
>> tires in 30mm that came with a mavic wheelset I bought, and they felt great 
>> too actually. Mavic is definitely not my first thought for tires but they 
>> were a pleasant surprise 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 12:02 PM Chris Dedinsky  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad to hear it Alexander. I'm pretty set on getting a 36mm pair for 
>>> my Heron touring bike, which is kinda the max clearance I think to get in 
>>> there and keep my fenders. Did your 27s and or 40s measure fairly true to 
>>> size? The other tires I've been leaning towards are the 38mm SOMA Shikoro's 
>>> and or Supple Vitesse. I guess all this to say, 700x~35 feels good for a 
>>> road and road-ish rubber radius.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:46:58 AM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris, I rode on 27mm Strada Biancas on an old Nishiki for a while and 
>>>> loved them. Would have gone bigger but didn't have the clearance. Now I 
>>>> have some 40mm Challenge Getaways on my CX bike. They probably the fastest 
>>>> feeling tires I've ever ridden. If I end up getting the Quickbeam I am 
>>>> hoping to buy soon, I plan to put some Strada Biancas in 36 or 40mm on it
>>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris -- the Roadeo from the last Riv blast is headed my way very 
>>>>> soon! I'll let y'all know how they ride. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:29 PM UTC-7 
>>>>> h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone tried out the 36 Challenge Strada Bianca's as featured on 
>>>>>> the Roadeo in the last e-blast—and if so, thoughts? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:27:26 PM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I accidentally ended up trying Hurricane Ridge front with Snoqualmie 
>>>>>>> Pass rear--as a way to salvage the two front tires from worn pairs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like the setup. I find the handling on-road closer to what 
>>>>>>> I had with the 38 slicks, but there's more grip and float, esp in wet 
>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure how the combo will be on wet pavement or road only 
>>>>>>> rides, but I like it for what I've done so far 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:32:45 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Scott — I don't have any relevant experience to share from 
>>>>>>>> riding off road. I love the idea of knobs and slicks together on one 
>>>>>>>> Sam. 
>>>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:02:35 AM UTC-7 shopmonkey 39 wrote:

> Here's some ideas based on personal experience as I have barends on a 
> handful of bikes.  First idea since you are already there, would be to turn 
> your indexing off on your shifters.  I have this on a bike and it works 
> great in friction mode.
>
>
I've tried this, and yeah, friction is a little better but still stiff.
 

> Second idea.  If you are open to other models of drop bar, you can look 
> for something with more run out.  I switched to Soma Highway Ones and the 
> extra run out has allowed me to run cables that apex just before the basket.
>

I actually am running 42cm highway one bars. I'm not sure what you mean by 
more run out. However, I'm thinking maybe I can do something like start to 
run the housing out of the bar tape once the bar starts to curve upward. 
This might make the shifter cables run upward out of the bars rather than 
forward?
 

> Fifth.  Gevenalle shifters.  I love these and they work great for basket 
> bikes and even sometimes saddlebag on the front bikes.  I would choose it 
> over STI everytime.
>

I had considered these, but I wish I could try them first. I've never seen 
them in real life.
 

>
> Alot of this is based on the size of your bike, stem, bars, etc.  Also 
> keep in mind that STI depending on the size of your bike and bars can 
> sometimes hit your basket or bag.  I ran 44cm bars and occasionally if my 
> bag was stuffed it would be a struggle to shift.  
>

This is a fantastic point. Shimano STIs on a set of 42cm wide bars with a 
loaded front basket seems like a bad idea.  

Thanks for your thoughts!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Ben Mihovk]

Sorry if this double posts...I typed out my reply and then...nothing!

Effectively, according to Riv's 2018 catalogue, Sam and Homer are 95% the 
same bike, but Sam is stouter and burlier. I'm guessing it's a tubing 
difference and the fact that most Sams have canti posts that can take a 
stronger brake than the sidepull. Comparing geometry from similar sized 
frames from the same year on Bikeinsights shows them to be very similar 
indeed.

I don't think you can go wrong with either, honestly. I love my Sam and I 
know I'd love a Homer. The slightly burlier Sam would be my choice because 
I'm over 200 pounds, but I think I'd never have any issues with a Homer in 
my size.

Ben in Omaha.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 6:48:19 PM UTC-5 Dave C wrote:

> Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the 
> ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how 
> they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested 
> in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am 
> trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style 
> and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is 
> not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad

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[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Scene report!

To the Riv out for an urban cruise today. Shifting was still terrible. I 
did some tests while riding where I just leaned over and pulled on the 
shifting cables between the stops and the bottom bracket. The shifting was 
really smooth. So it must be the cable going through the handlebar bends 
while under load/tension. Around the circle I continue to go...
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:38:13 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:

> Having ridden for years with a front handlebar bag, I guess I'm just used 
> to pushing the cables from the bar end shifters one way or the other to 
> mount or unmount the bag.  That said, I now run my Atlantis with a DT front 
> shifter and bar end rear shifter for two reasons unrelated to cable/bag 
> interference - for some reason, my left hand is less tolerant of the 
> shifting motion required for the bar end shifter than my right and, on past 
> tours, my front derailleur has at times become balky in dirty conditions 
> which I attribute partially to the derailleur spring having trouble 
> overcoming the additional friction caused by dirty cable housing.  I find 
> the front shift much more reliable and quick with less effort with the DT 
> shifter.  On a two month tour just completed, I had zero troubles with 
> front shifts despite lots of gravel and rain whereas one week tours on 
> gravel of past with bar end required daily lubrication and exercise of the 
> front derailleur and still things could get balky.  For whatever it is 
> worth, a couple of the guys I toured with used brifters and suffered from 
> similar issues.  The downside was the double shift to or from the granny 
> was not nearly as smooth as with two bar ends but at least they always did 
> happen.  I just don't worry much where I've got to push the cables from the 
> bar ends. I have another bike with two bar ends and a bag which works just 
> fine for me on day rides.
>
> Bill S 
> San Diego
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 2:44:26 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love all the replies and knowledge here. It's pretty fun.
>>
>> I did a little test. I put my RD in the biggest cog. I then shifted all 
>> the way down to the smallest cog without pedaling to put slack in the 
>> cable. Then I pulled the cable tight at the downtube. Then I shifted back 
>> up to the biggest cassette without any derailleur spring tension in the 
>> way. It actually felt pretty smooth. I never did this test BEFORE this 
>> routing, so I have no control, though.
>>
>> I will say that just a couple days before I ran new cable that I put a 
>> derailleur hangar extender on the rear so I could go up to a 32t rear cog 
>> with my Ultegra 6500 derailleur. It works fine, but I wonder if some of the 
>> shifting resistance is more about making larger cog jumps and running my 
>> derailleur out of spec, and not entirely cable friction. Also, I've been 
>> running the bike in indexed mode.
>>
>> So, step 1 is to go to friction mode and hang out on the smaller side of 
>> the cassette; see if it feels any easier. If so I'll have to figure out 
>> where to go. If not...
>> Step 2, try the long floppy cable thing.
>> Step 3. consider Tiagra 4703 and a 4700/5800/6800 long rear derailleur. I 
>> have a 2x10 4700 setup on a budget carbon road bike and it was actually 
>> pretty good. It looks like they have a 3x10 lever setup. I know that RD can 
>> handle a 34, shifts smoothly, and is easy to set-up. Plus a 10s cassette 
>> will still fit my older wheels.
>>
>> Or I just go back to a high end, ratchet, downtube shifter and learn to 
>> love it ;) Keep this circle going!
>>
>> By no means should this kill the conversation, though. Chat away!
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 12:15:35 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> Ben: I will add my 2 cents: we are big bar-end fans - they are on the 
>>> bikes that have drop handlebars.  We only go friction - not indexed, so 
>>> YMMV.  We use front racks and Wald baskets, and yes, depending upon your 
>>> specific setup, the pair of long "U" cable and cable housing can get in the 
>>> way.  Try routing the big U's under the Mark's rack and then zip-tie them 
>>> to the rack so they are somewhat stationary.  Finally zip tie both U's 
>>> together so they act like a single unit.  Yeah, it looks clunky but it 
>>> might help keep those big U's under control.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
&g

[RBW] Re: Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

I love all the replies and knowledge here. It's pretty fun.

I did a little test. I put my RD in the biggest cog. I then shifted all the 
way down to the smallest cog without pedaling to put slack in the cable. 
Then I pulled the cable tight at the downtube. Then I shifted back up to 
the biggest cassette without any derailleur spring tension in the way. It 
actually felt pretty smooth. I never did this test BEFORE this routing, so 
I have no control, though.

I will say that just a couple days before I ran new cable that I put a 
derailleur hangar extender on the rear so I could go up to a 32t rear cog 
with my Ultegra 6500 derailleur. It works fine, but I wonder if some of the 
shifting resistance is more about making larger cog jumps and running my 
derailleur out of spec, and not entirely cable friction. Also, I've been 
running the bike in indexed mode.

So, step 1 is to go to friction mode and hang out on the smaller side of 
the cassette; see if it feels any easier. If so I'll have to figure out 
where to go. If not...
Step 2, try the long floppy cable thing.
Step 3. consider Tiagra 4703 and a 4700/5800/6800 long rear derailleur. I 
have a 2x10 4700 setup on a budget carbon road bike and it was actually 
pretty good. It looks like they have a 3x10 lever setup. I know that RD can 
handle a 34, shifts smoothly, and is easy to set-up. Plus a 10s cassette 
will still fit my older wheels.

Or I just go back to a high end, ratchet, downtube shifter and learn to 
love it ;) Keep this circle going!

By no means should this kill the conversation, though. Chat away!

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 12:15:35 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Ben: I will add my 2 cents: we are big bar-end fans - they are on the 
> bikes that have drop handlebars.  We only go friction - not indexed, so 
> YMMV.  We use front racks and Wald baskets, and yes, depending upon your 
> specific setup, the pair of long "U" cable and cable housing can get in the 
> way.  Try routing the big U's under the Mark's rack and then zip-tie them 
> to the rack so they are somewhat stationary.  Finally zip tie both U's 
> together so they act like a single unit.  Yeah, it looks clunky but it 
> might help keep those big U's under control.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>
>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>
>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>
>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>> configurations.
>>
>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
>> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>
>> Let's chat!
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Going around in circles with shifters.

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.

I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.

My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 

After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had previously 
used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I have a 
front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were always 
getting in the way of the front stuff.

So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
configurations.

So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?

Let's chat!
Ben


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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Mihovk]

I have Gravelking Slicks in 38 on my Sam and I really like them but want 
more width the next time I buy tires for it. 

I JUST put on Snoqualmie's on my Atlantis and already prefer them over the 
Shikoros I had used for two years. I can see getting another pair for the 
Sam when the GKs are worn down 

Ben in Omaha 
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Ben Mihovk]

In keeping with what Bill said, I'll answer but I'll say which type of 
person I am before doing so...

I'm a two-bike person...

I have my Atlantis that is set up for commuting and carrying a lot if 
necessary. Upright and swept back bars, front rack and rear rack, fenders, 
700x44 all road tires. Slimsuker on the saddle, X-Small saddle sack on 
handlebars. Great for urban rides and getting to and from work on days I 
ride. 

I have my Sam set up for fun mixed-surface rides. Noodle drops, 38mm 
Gravelking Slicks, no racks, x-small saddle sack on the saddle for tool kit 
and snacks. I need to get a shorter stem...I'd like the hoods to be a touch 
closer and I already have the bars as high as they'll go, but still a fun 
bike for long rides where there's not really an agenda.

If I had to keep one of the two, I'd keep the Atlantis just because most of 
my riding is to and from work. I've taken the Sam to work and it's fine, 
but I like the v-brakes on the Atlantis (no canti posts on my Sam to 
convert) for riding on streets, and though I love the drops for long 
stretches of cruising, I'm way more comfortable and nimble with the Choco 
bars...especially with using a helmet mirror, I need to stay in one 
position to get a sense of what's going on behind me. Finally, with the 
Sams being a less stout in tubing and fork, the Atlantis works better for 
me. I meet the recommended weight for a Sam, but I'd be in the 230-240 
pound range of rider weight + cargo with all my work  stuff and stopping 
for a few things at the store on the way home. I love my Sam, but I only 
carry the necessities when I ride it. 

Ben in Omaha


On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 7:34:19 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Like you and Emily (three happy Platy riders--mine is 55 Mermaid) at first 
> I was taken aback by the prices, but I got to test ride the Chev, 
> Appaloosa, Sam and Atlantis all in my size at the shop before I bought in 
> 2017.  For me, it was that one run around the parking on the Appaloosa that 
> that clinched it (I loved the Atlantis, too, but at that time, it was MUSA 
> and way out of my budget).  So, how much is it worth to me to have NO NECK 
> PAIN (vs wanting to cry after each ride with my previous bike)?
>
> The joy of being comfortable on a bike and to bike more often and longer 
> without any pain than I could ever do before is nearly priceless.  I bought 
> the bike for exercise, but it's brought me so much joy than I ever thought 
> an inanimate object could!   Worth every penny!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM UTC-4 jim.k...@abbvie.com wrote:
>
>> Alexander, I'm out in the western burbs (Downers Grove) with a big 
>> Platypus--if you're interested, give me a shout. I love mine, but my last 
>> bike was a Sanwa from the mid 80's--and that's the last time I rode it... 
>> so I'm not a good resource for comparisons. 
>>
>> As Emily said, I was a bit mortified that I spent this much on a bike, 
>> but it is a ridable piece of art... and it makes me very happy.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:39:19 PM UTC-5 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Karl, I am in Chicago and PBH is 88. If anyone is local and would be 
>>> willing to let me try something out I'd be grateful! I also think there is 
>>> a shop not to far from me that carries them, I've been meaning to go see 
>>> what they have for a while.
>>>
>>> Rich, I suspect once I get one more will follow! I think the first will 
>>> likely be something used, so it may just come down to what pops up in my 
>>> size/budget. But who knows, the orange color of the Appaloosa is calling to 
>>> me as well, so if they make more that could end up being it as well. That 
>>> Hillborne looks super fun, love that color and bag setup. Looks very 
>>> capable for Atlanta's hills and potholes - I grew up there and my family is 
>>> all still in the city
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>>
>> Alexander,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the group! Terrific collection of Rivendells on this thread. 
>>>>
>>>> Not an easy decision to select your first Rivendell. I went through 
>>>> this exercise years ago and landed on a Waterford built Atlantis. There is 
>>>> a common feeling running through Riv owners that says you can't have just 
>>>> one Rivendell. True enough I discovered. A Sam Hillborne followed shortly 
>>>> after acquiring the Atlantis. Others followed: Clem H, Roadeo, and a 
>>>> Taiwan 
>>>> built Homer. All except the Sam have moved on. Pic shows it in commuter 
>>>> mode; it's done everything well for me i

[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Adrian]

Just watched your assembly video again, Eric, and I see it's a 7cm. Love 
the videos, especially as eye candy to see different build configurations 
close up.

Cheers!

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:34:39 AM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> I just put the 700 x 35 Rene Herse slicks back on my Rambouillet. I had 
> them on before, but the wider tire and a loaded front rack started to feel 
> weird. Plus, I wanted to put on fenders and the fenders I have were too 
> small for 35s. Anyway, I'm shifting the load to the rear and I've removed 
> the fenders, so I put the 35s back on. What a fantastic ride now.
>
> I just got some 700 x 44 tires like yours above for my Salsa Warbird. I've 
> not had a chance to do a serious ride on them, but they look like they are 
> going to be very nice.
>
> Also, what's the stem length on your Hillborne?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Adrian]

I just put the 700 x 35 Rene Herse slicks back on my Rambouillet. I had 
them on before, but the wider tire and a loaded front rack started to feel 
weird. Plus, I wanted to put on fenders and the fenders I have were too 
small for 35s. Anyway, I'm shifting the load to the rear and I've removed 
the fenders, so I put the 35s back on. What a fantastic ride now.

I just got some 700 x 44 tires like yours above for my Salsa Warbird. I've 
not had a chance to do a serious ride on them, but they look like they are 
going to be very nice.

Also, what's the stem length on your Hillborne?

Cheers!
Ben

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:23:03 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] FS: Thomson Elite Setback Seatpost Silver 27.2 x 250mm

[Ben Adrian]

Thomson Elite Setback Seatpost Silver 27.2 x 250mm

A few insertion marks, but still in very good shape.

I used this on my Rambouillet and, for me, I couldn't get it low enough 
with the saddle that I ended up using/ The setback area should run into the 
seat tube. However, with other saddles that weren't as tall, it worked 
great. I'm happy yo take measurements for people.

$75 shipped

AS usual, best place to see pics is n my Paceline ad.
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=285395

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Pearl 9cm 26mm

[Ben Adrian]

Nitto Pearl 9 cm stem. 26mm clamp.
Missing the clamp bolt.
There a mark on it by the stem bolt. Other small wear marks… it’s had a 
life but there more left.

See photos. Happy to answer questions.
Bet place to find pictures is here:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=285247

$25 shipped as is.

Thanks!
Ben in L.A.

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[RBW] For Sale: Shimano Dura Ace 11 Speed bar end shifters

[Ben Adrian]

Dura Ace 2/3 x 11 bar end / tri / time trial shifters. Left friction. Right 
is index only. should work with 5800, 6800, 7000, 8000 and whatever number 
Dura Ace called their 11 speed Rear Derailleurs. It will also work with 
Tiagra 4700 RD if paired with an 11 speed cassette.

I got this crazy idea to run an 11 speed setup on my Riv. I started buying 
parts. After doing some reconfigurations, I have decided to go in another 
direction.

I got these used and never installed them. Shifters, original box, one 
housing, one cable, cable stops, other misc. stuff. It's what I got from 
the previous seller.
$85 shipped

Photos Here:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=284654

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

I keep remembering this post and I hate to admit how much it probably 
applies to me. It feels so much more alive whenever I ride the bike without 
the front rack. I really want this to be my "utility" bike. For instance, I 
went and picked up some sushi tonight, and I needed a flat area to keep the 
food upright and stable. Something on the front just seems so much more 
convenient for me. I usually leave my bag on all the time and it's always 
getting used.

Perhaps I just need some kind of larger rear bag for my everyday stuff; 
tools, lock, emergency road snacks, light jackets, etc. Then I keep an 
empty front rack and only bungee stuff to it when the rear is not an 
option? 

It's that or get a different bike that likes a front load more.

Cheers!
Ben

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:31:38 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Most of us who mucked around with those bikes 15-20 years ago used a 
> Mark's Rack. It worked well enough but honestly I can't recommend it, 
> P-clamps are a pain in the patooty and Rivs are rear-loader designs. My 
> preference - I know you didn't ask, just putting it out there to ponder on 
> - is an unsupported bar bag of some sort and rack-and-bag in the rear. As 
> seen here. 
>
> Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of you 
>> know.
>>
>> I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has eyelets for 
>> fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a 
>> mount at the brake bolt.
>>
>> Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the 
>> favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is appreciated as 
>> well.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ben Adrian
>>
>>

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[RBW] Carradice Keswick Bag still for sale

[Ben Adrian]

Hey everybody!
I kind of forgot that I still had this. Handlebar bag that lives on a 
klickfix mount. 
Best way to see pics it to check the ad on paceline
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=280760

$75 shipped in the U.S.

Thanks!
Ben

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:37:05 PM UTC-7 Ben Adrian wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
> I bought the Carradice Keswick bag from Joe, but it's not working out for 
> me. It sits a little high on the handlebars for my taste. I have it on drop 
> bars. It might be better for flat or riser bars.
> It's in fantastic shape and includes a shoulder strap, the bottom light 
> mount, and and two Klickfix mounts. 
> $80 and I'll split actual shipping.
> No photos yet, but it's Black and looks just like the one on the website.
>
> https://carradice.co.uk/shop/handlebar-bags/originals-keswick-handlebar-bag-5l/
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to those who bought the cranks and bags. Here's what still 
>> available:
>>
>>
>> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
>>
>>- Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
>>
>> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
>> offer!
>>
>> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
>>
>>- Great condition with no signs of use
>>
>> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
>>
>> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275 or make an offer
>>
>>- Almost new 
>>- Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
>>
>> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:22:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:
>>
>>> Cranks are sold thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
>>> Keswick and and Zeitgesit are pending sale. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Fantastic. 
>>>
>>> No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules 
>>> are better.
>>> I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
>>> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure 
>>> what hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me 
>>> until the weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe
>>> 818-590-8377 <(818)%20590-8377>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hey Joe
>>>
>>> I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park 
>>> so maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben Adrian
>>> 510-543-6407 <(510)%20543-6407>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
>>> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
>>>
>>> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
>>> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
>>> support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
>>> disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects 
>>> the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
>>>
>>> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed 
>>> with ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional 
>>> toll is immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three 
>>> hours away and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into 
>>> financial hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a 
>>> hairdresser in Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring 
>>> for her mom up in Santa Maria.
>>>
>>> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her 
>>> so that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and 
>>> not worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling 

[RBW] FS: Velo Orange Randonneur Rack and Suntour shifters

[Ben Adrian]

*Older Velo Orange Randonneur Rack with separate 1" decaleur.*

This shows some wear, but works fine. Mounts with included P clamps or to 
fork braze ons.

Notice, the mount for the brake/fork crown has been cut. Also, it's not a 
diving board style, but rather is welded to the rack frame. Also, I have to 
squeeze the decaleur mount slightly to put the mount onto the receiver. I 
don't know if this is a standard thing or just some weirdness with this 
unit. It's never been a bother for me though. I just want to be fully clear 
of what is being sold.

$80 shipped for the set.


*Suntour Friction Shifters*

In excellent shape. They look super cool to me. True friction; no indexing, 
no power ratchet. I went back to my bar end shifters.

$20 shipped

Check out photos here if you can
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=283799

Thanks!
Ben

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Re: [RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Ben Adrian]

Yes, it's a delight to be able to ride to most shows in Los Angeles. My 
wife and I will ride to see the symphony at Disney Hall, many concerts at 
the Hollywood Bowl, and pretty much everywhere in between. I've discovered 
many well hidden or well protected bike racks. Outside the Midnight Oil 
show was a little sketchy, but we had three locks between two bikes. 
Luckily everything was still there when we left.

Now, to organize the So Cal Rivendell "Owners and Appreciators" ride ;)

Ben

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 4:19:52 PM UTC-7 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> Seeing Midnight Oil live is always a treat -- I've seen them three or four 
> times -- but being able to bike to the show is an extra treat!
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 1:14:13 AM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>>
>> I plead guilty on all counts! Great to meet you outside the concert, Ben! 
>> Sweet Rammy!
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>>
>> Wow, Mike!!!
>>
>> Notwithstanding the legend of the RPV Oil/RBW superfan, I was **also** in 
>> SLO over the Mem Day weekend (regrets, it was but a quick lunch stop), and 
>> lookie what I spotted - who dis?!?
>>
>> (bad bike-pile photo / am sure everyone here is capable of the quick 
>> forensic reading to recognize "ONE OF US")
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> Cool
>>> I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got 
>>> comments on my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv too. 
>>> Jarrod and Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, 
>>> apparently standing too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with Texas 
>>> plates was trying to park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along and 
>>> found one of the many empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice 
>>> running into some new folks in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch B 
>>> on his Atlantis (Hi Mitch). Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.
>>>
>>> Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Everybody!
>>>> Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los 
>>>> Angeles. While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line 
>>>> approached me because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took 
>>>> pictures, 
>>>> but I can't remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. 
>>>> say hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
>>>> happen. Maybe this is a good sign!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Ben
>>>>
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[RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everybody!
Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los Angeles. 
While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line approached me 
because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, but I can't 
remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.

Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say 
hi! I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride 
happen. Maybe this is a good sign!

Cheers!
Ben

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[RBW] Re: Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

I finally got around to taking the fenders and front rack/bag off of my 
bike. I only had time for a short ride, but it does seem to have a 
significant change of feel. I never though that it handled poorly with the 
front rack. The best way to put it is that maybe the bike seems "sleepy" 
with the front rack and bag. One thing I did notice is that it really wants 
to be a wheelie machine without the front rack. My front wheel kept coming 
up when climbing steep hills.

Tonight I have a longer ride planned with a friend. We'll see how it does 
with a non-trivial distance.

Cheers!
Ben
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:13:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> In spite of how often people do it and seem fine with it, I *really *don't 
> like front loads on Rivs. Even the weight of a porteur rack with no load 
> was enough to make my steering feel sketchy. Did you have the problem 
> before you installed it? 
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:04:52 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: A2D2E895-1FB7-4121-A081-8CDCC4E9F3E4.jpeg]I’ve never used a rear 
>> bag… just an under seat wrap.
>> I had a handlebar bag for a bit, and now a front porteur rack with an 
>> average bag on top. It’s usually pretty light.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:24:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You might get rid of some fender wobble with a bolt-tightening session 
>>> at all the mounting points, it's not my experience that SKS fenders move 
>>> around much. 
>>>
>>> The wobble you feel in turns is concerning and probably not fender 
>>> related. What's the bags/racks situation on your Ram?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all! 
>>>>
>>>> I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. 
>>>> Still, there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of 
>>>> rain, so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. 
>>>> Now, they do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving 
>>>> from bumps and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with 
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
>>>> sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not 
>>>> all 
>>>> the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and 
>>>> weird. 
>>>> I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
>>>> to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
>>>> fenders are becoming the scapegoat.
>>>>
>>>> So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just 
>>>> take them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the 
>>>> same either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I 
>>>> like 
>>>> having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
>>>> nicer fenders because I like having them.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Ben Mihovk]

Atlantis for me. So to answer the question in the image, a "normal" shaped 
steel frame that can do basically anything. 

Ben
On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>
> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
> question yesterday: 
>
> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and what 
> style - mixte or normal? 
>
> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>
> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a Rivendell 
> steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry Platypus, but 
> I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping Platypus. Up 
> until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring having a trio of 
> bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the raspberry mixte as my 
> One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, does whatever I want it 
> to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>
> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which rims did Rivendell endorse in the early days?

[Ben Adrian]

I scored a set of Mavic Open Pro rims for free when buying another wheelset 
on Craigslist. The guy just threw them in. 
I built them up with some Ultegra 6500 hubs and it's a strong, 
straightforward, and reasonable light wheel set that is adjustable and 
rebuildable with standard tools. 
I don't know if they were "riv endorsed", but they fit the spirit of Riv as 
I believe in it; graceful and durable bikes that can be worked on for years 
and built with industry standard parts that cab be rebuilt or replaced 
indefinitely.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 2:59:54 PM UTC-7 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll second the RC-540 use, in fact I have an early Riv wheelset with
> these. The rear rim has a few issues but is still running strong. I
> was able to secure a backup replacement for it from RBW but I haven't
> yet needed to relace.
>
> Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 4/12/22, Andrew Turner  wrote:
> > Thanks for the intel. Good ol' Sheldon Brown mentions using Araya 
> RC-540's
> > on his Ram and wouldn't ya know it I found some in stock. Good to know.
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:01:01 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew, I am not sure what Rivendell suggested but on my early Riv 700c
> >> bikes I always used Mavic MA2 I believe.
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
> >>
> >>> Specifically, on the road models. I'm pretty sure my dad's Rambouillet
> >>> has some Araya's but I'm not sure what model. If anyone knows 
> specifics,
> >>>
> >>> I'm all ears.
> >>>
> >>> Backstory: I have a wheelset with nice hubs I want to reuse but the 
> rims
> >>>
> >>> have lived a life already. I'm fine with A23's or something similarly
> >>> modern, but NOS always peaks my interest. Plus, these older caliper
> >>> brakes
> >>> seem to gel a little better with the narrower rims of their era since 
> the
> >>>
> >>> spring gets to contract a little more.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>> Andrew
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! Thanks for all the advice so far. When I see Fender wobble my 
brain goes more to a telecaster with a Bigsby... not my bike!
Here are responses to questions and comments.

At one point my rear wheel went out of true. I trued it and found one spoke 
was totally slack. I though that would fix it, but no. I will go back and 
check spoke tension. Just because it's straight doesn't mean there's not a 
tension problem.

I've had strap and clamp on handlebar bags. It has wobbled with those. I 
have done very few rides with nothing on the bike. I will remove fenders 
and racks and all bags and go do some cornering; see if I can make the 
problem happen with fewer variables.

I've checked headset. Will re-check skewers and wheel tightness. Also, will 
check hub bearings for play.

I don't have a lot of fender experience. These SKS fenders came used with 
the bike. I've watched videos and I'm pretty handy mechanically. The struts 
have flex in them that is not very damped. I can whack the fender laterally 
with my hand and it will oscillate for about 1-2seconds. It's like a fast 
pendulum swaying from the mounting points.

I just went to the garage to check, and there's a crack in the rear fender 
on the left lower strut. Maybe this is it. It can flex to hit the tire, and 
it might be bouncing against the wheel as I turn. Maybe it's been a broken 
fender all along.

It's not supposed to rain for a while. Off with the fenders soon for 
testing!

Cheers!
Ben






On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:07:30 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Shaking fenders won't make your bike mishandle in corners,  something else 
> is causing that. As others suggested, check tire pressure, wheel bearing 
> adjustment, fork bearing adjustment, or a wagging rear load (and even a 
> wagging rear load has to be pretty heavy to upset cornering).
>
> As to SKS fenders, I've used probably a dozen pairs, and  while they're 
> not as stiff as good, well installed metal ones, and while they do vibrate 
> visibly over bumps, none of mine, from 35s to 65s, have "wagged." Check the 
> mounting bolts, particularly under fork crown.
>
> Good luck, and let us know the cause when you find it.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:14 PM Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
>> Hey all! 
>>
>> I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. 
>> Still, there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of 
>> rain, so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. 
>> Now, they do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving 
>> from bumps and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with 
>> that.
>>
>> There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
>> sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not all 
>> the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and weird. 
>> I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
>> to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
>> fenders are becoming the scapegoat.
>>
>> So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just 
>> take them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the 
>> same either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I like 
>> having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
>> nicer fenders because I like having them.
>>
>

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[RBW] Fender Wobble

[Ben Adrian]

Hey all! 

I have SKS Fenders on my Ram. I live in L.A., so I rarely need them. Still, 
there are puddles of gross water, damp mornings, and smatterings of rain, 
so I really appreciate them when I need them and I leave them on. Now, they 
do move a bit when riding. I'll look down and see them moving from bumps 
and wind. I know they're not the best fenders and I'm okay with that.

There's something else that happens on this bike. When cornering, I 
sometimes feel it getting a little noodle-y. There is a wobble, and not all 
the time. It never feel dangerous, but it is a bit disheartening and weird. 
I'm wondering of the lateral wobble of the fenders is also giving a wobble 
to the cornering sometimes. Perhaps it's something else, and the wiggling 
fenders are becoming the scapegoat.

So, anyone else have anything like this happen? My instinct is to just take 
them off and see if it happens again. I guess the result would be the same 
either way; it's the old fenders so I buy nicer fenders because I like 
having them, or it is the fenders, I fix it with the fenders off and I buy 
nicer fenders because I like having them.

Cheers!
Ben

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Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Everyone!
I bought the Carradice Keswick bag from Joe, but it's not working out for 
me. It sits a little high on the handlebars for my taste. I have it on drop 
bars. It might be better for flat or riser bars.
It's in fantastic shape and includes a shoulder strap, the bottom light 
mount, and and two Klickfix mounts. 
$80 and I'll split actual shipping.
No photos yet, but it's Black and looks just like the one on the website.
https://carradice.co.uk/shop/handlebar-bags/originals-keswick-handlebar-bag-5l/

Cheers!
Ben

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to those who bought the cranks and bags. Here's what still 
> available:
>
>
> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
>
>- Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
>
> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
> offer!
>
> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
>
>- Great condition with no signs of use
>
> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
>
> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275 or make an offer
>
>- Almost new 
>- Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
>
> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
>
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:22:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Mullins wrote:
>
>> Cranks are sold thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>> Keswick and and Zeitgesit are pending sale. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Fantastic. 
>>
>> No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules 
>> are better.
>> I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure what 
>> hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me until 
>> the weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>> 818-590-8377 <(818)%20590-8377>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey Joe
>>
>> I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park 
>> so maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben Adrian
>> 510-543-6407 <(510)%20543-6407>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
>> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
>>
>> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
>> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
>> support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
>> disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects 
>> the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
>>
>> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed 
>> with ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional 
>> toll is immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three 
>> hours away and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into 
>> financial hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a 
>> hairdresser in Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring 
>> for her mom up in Santa Maria.
>>
>> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
>> that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and not 
>> worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
>>
>> Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but 
>> if you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. I 
>> ask that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from Los 
>> Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to my 
>> friend too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
>>
>> Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
>> circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but since 
>> it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>>
>&g

Re: [RBW] Front Range Riv Riders? Atlantis curious in Boulder

[Ben Mihovk]

Good morning!
I don't know how you'd define "a few hours," but I'm in Omaha, NE and have 
a 59cm. If for some strange reason you found yourself in town, you'd be 
more than welcome to give it a spin. I'm confident, though, that you'll 
encounter one a little closer to home.

Ben in Omaha. 

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:10:31 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Rivendell likes to put people in the MAX size possible. With the expanded 
> geometry I am almost always at the top of one size and the very bottom of 
> another.  Rivendell has suggested the larger sizes but time has shown me 
> that I prefer to be at the top of a size vs the bottom contrary to what 
> they would push for me.  It looks like you might be exactly the same with 
> the Atlantis frame. A PBH of 89.5 is the minimum size that that they would 
> recommend for the 59 which would put you at the very bottom for that size 
> and at the top for the 55.  That makes it tricky and a lot will come down 
> to personal preference. I hope you can find a good source for a try out!! 
>
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am still new here but I suspect you will get a lot of folks suggesting 
>> you depend on & trust the advice on fit that is available just from talking 
>> to the folks at Riv. They will not steer you wrong. Of course there is 
>> nothing wrong with riding first if the opportunity presents itself.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Christian B-H a wrote:
>>
>> Hi All-
>>
>> A Riv admirer from afar since 2019 thanks to my Rivspirational Uncle Andy 
>> in SF. Grant's Bluhgs and Riv-stuff kept me mostly sane from 2019 till now 
>> and influenced my decision to get a steel "gravel" bike with bigger tires 
>> over carbon.  I had a chance in July 2021 to  go to Walnut Creek, and my 
>> wife and friends who joined will attest I was like a kid in a candy shop. I 
>> remember glancing over at Grant who was practicing laps on the 
>> long-stemmed, mini cycle with James, and then looking back at Antonio, who 
>> had Grant's Appaloosa in hand and saying, "Really? I can *ride HIS bike?*" 
>> (photo below- Me with Friend in Hat clarifying with Antonio. My wife in the 
>> background experiencing the Riv magic). 
>>
>> [image: 1866700f-dbed-4501-9ad3-abec74f90665.JPG]
>>
>> That day however I left with one thought in mind: Jame's Atlantis was the 
>> smoothest, best feeling bike I've ever ridden. Even if it was a size or so 
>> too small. 
>>
>> So, looking to determine what *size* Atlantis I'd be ahead of this next 
>> order, my question for this group is: *Is there anyone within a a few 
>> hours of Boulder, CO with a 55-60cm Atlantis who'd be willing to let me 
>> test ride? *
>>
>> I *think *I've seen at least one Atlantis in the wild here, and I *know 
>> *I've 
>> seen a few other Riv's around here...I'd love the opportunity to ride an 
>> Atlantis again before buying to help figure out sizing (I know PBH (89), 
>> calling to discuss, email etc. I've done it. I just want to see if I should 
>> go 55 or 59  based on feel, and experience the ride one more time to see 
>> which bike I may have to get rid of to help the purchase along). 
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Christian Beitel-Horton in Boulder, CO
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Re: [RBW] How do you track mileage?

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Joe and all!

I just use a standard GPS bike computer and have it set to auto-load it 
to both Strava and RIdeWithGPS.


I do al kinda of riding on all kinds of bikes; Rivendell cruising, 
gravel rides, club road rides, commuting and utilitarian riding. My 
carbon gravel/road bike has a power meter, speed sensor, and cadence 
sensor. Plus, I will wear a heart rate monitor. I don't live and die by 
these numbers, but the Garmin keeps track and lets me know how my 
fitness is holding up. I don't need those sensors when I ride my other 
bikes, though, and the Garmin just does fine on GPS alone. Plus, I'm a 
map nerd and I love having everythign available without having to get my 
phone out.


I know the Riv ethos and GPS computers are sometimes at odds. I've heard 
of plenty of people who start the ride on their computer and just toss 
it in their handlebar bag. It's just collecting the data for later use.


My Garmin has "profiles" I can customize like road, mountain, gravel, 
rando, commuting, etc. The main screen of my commuting profile is just 
map, speed, and distance. When I want to have a worry free ride, I don't 
need to see any performance data. It's pretty nice. When I do a quick 
pre-work, morning ride for exercise, I can see heart rate and power and 
make sure I push myself the right about in the short time available.


Anyway, Joe, if you ever want to do a ride around our neighborhood, talk 
music gear, bikes, and GPS computers, let me know. I think Ron Frazell 
and Hugh Smitham? are close-ish too? L.A. Riv List meetup?


Ben


On 3/1/2022 1:13 PM, Joe Mullins wrote:

? I’m curious what methods people are using.

I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the data, 
let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without tracking 
as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But it would be 
fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of owning a bike, etc. I 
wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks saddle that I bought 15 or 
so years ago.

I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise RD. 
How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps track 
keep track?

Joe M.
Los Angeles


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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

[Ben Adrian]

I was looking to do an order for some DT shifters, lights, bar tape, and 
a front rack. Shipping was $80. While still kind of a good deal for air 
freight from Japan, it's still much more that we Americans are used to 
paying. I took out the front rack and the shipping went down to $40.


So, I'd be down to do a group order, especially for SoCal friends. Also, 
I'm interested in your front racks and down tube shifters that you may 
have for sale ;)


Cheers!
Ben

On 2/15/2022 6:46 AM, exliontamer wrote:
I've put in an order recently  and have been amazed at how relatively 
quick and affordable it was. DHS is silly quick too. I think the key 
is getting odds & ends(exclusive grips, bar tape, that amazing x-pac 
zip up wallet, etc.) to make it worth while.


On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

Excuse the iPad auto correct.

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On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 10:09 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:

Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on
the shipping for a larger order and if it then makes sense.
 Logistics ok for me.

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On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Sofie C  wrote:

I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a
lot of small things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but
I find myself adding more to my cart than what I need to justify
the shipping cost I would be interested in going in on a
group order, but with two young kids and a ft job I'm not in a
position to handle the logistics of organizing one...
On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll
get back to me and if not I’ll give them a call. I really
appreciate it


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On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin 
wrote:

Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in
Johnstown PA. They are real sweethearts and get regular
Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma lights stocked.
https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
best
Justin
On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine
justifying paying more for shipping than for the 1 Koma
light I want to get. If there are others in this
situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save
on shipping.

I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they
redesigned them and a front light only gives 2 hours
now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode. My
Koma lights seem to last longer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Ben Adrian]

Okay, I'll jump in.

We're all on a bike mailing list specializing in once specific brand and 
type of bikes. Granted, they are more practical bikes than specialist 
bikes, but we're all still bike nerds here. I have a carbon gravel/road 
bike, a steel commuter and errand bike, and my Riv as my "zippy, do 
whatever" bike.


Now, in general, most people who are bike nerds tend to specialize in 
one or more specific types of riding; MTB, gravel, high performance 
road, randonneuring, etc. With bike nerdery come riding nerdery, I 
suppose. I can be extreme in both bike/component choice and riding 
choice. And while this is extreme in performance, it's kind of the 
mainstream for "people really into bikes."


Then, there are people who are kind of average, utilitarian riders. 
They're generally not bike nerds. My wife has an ebike for commuting, 
errands, and the occasional fun ride. It's like a Toyota Corolla... but 
a bike. The brand and the specs don't really matter so long as it's 
reliable and functional.


However, Riv bike owners/riders seems to appreciate both the 
practicality and utilitarian nature of these bikes, AND the gear head, 
bicycle craft, nice component nature of bikes. It's an uncommon 
crossover, and it's something I find I have to describe to both by 
extreme cycling friends AND my non-cycling friends who might just have 
their "errand bike."


But it's fun! I love maintaining my Riv. I love the classic look of my 
bike. I love being able to fix and maintain everything with a pretty 
basic tool set. I love the fact that I can find really nice parts for 
usually pretty cheap because they're not the latest modern standard. I 
love the joy of riding my very nice bike in everyday situations.


For me, I kind of enjoy playing around with the Riv trends because they 
usually work well. Here's how I've come to explain the Riv culture to 
people who aren't familiar. Riv bikes tend to take the best parts of 
practical bike design from the 70s, 80's and 90's and put them all 
together on one classic looking bike.


Cheers!
Ben
P.S. L.A. folks, we should all try to do a meetup soon-ish!

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[RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Ben Mihovk]

I might be outing myself and will lose a lot of respect for this, but my 
OTHER big obsessive hobby is golf. I even work in a golf store during the 
summers. 

I only bring this up because this post makes me think about technology in 
golf. There are people who play golf equipment that's lacking in technology 
because they want to let their skill/technique/creativity be the focus of 
their experience instead of optimizing for performance. Then there are 
people who want every technological advancement and want to pay exorbitant 
amounts of money for components that they believe will help them unlock 
every ounce of potential in their swings. They want performance to be the 
experience.

Neither golfer is wrong to want what they want out of their experiences.

If mountain biking is more fun for you on a modern, fully-equipped bike, 
then that's what you should buy to mountain bike. If mountain biking is 
more fun when you really feel the challenges and struggles but want to push 
yourself, then I think a Riv is the bike for that situation.

Neither rider is wrong to want what they want out of their experiences.


Ben in Omaha, where there are no mountains. 
On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 7:08:56 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> I did the same much longer ago, pre-Rivendell. The bike complimented my 
> time and trail acquired skills but also introduced more maintenance needs 
> and unknown intervals of service and parts consumption. It showed me that 
> technology is a fast moving train and anywhere you get on it won't be long 
> before you are not so much obsolete but certainly not cutting edge. Bike 
> companies were selling bike experiences, I was interested in riding 
> experiences.
>
> My "modern" bike wasn't an enduro design but enough to introduce the 
> possibility of cycling not being rewarding when out on rides with folks on 
> the latest new bikes and I started riding alone to avoid that. Technology 
> supplanted skills. Someone on a wide tired full SUS bike could traverse 
> terrain that a veteran rigid or hardtail rider with years of learned 
> skills. The idea of expanding access to the sport and all the cup half full 
> perspectives didn't account for terrain no longer being enough for many new 
> bike riders so they increased speed on existing trails and began 
> construction of ramps and park features to meet the capabilities of their 
> hardware. When the bikes fell short and the riders didn't have the skills 
> to ride it out, folks got hurt. Some bounced back, more just stopped riding 
> and a few lawyered-up, looking for liability to attach and share their 
> expenses. 
>
> Time has reinforced that what I enjoy about riding isn't about what a more 
> complicated bike will provide, it's the surroundings. The same has been 
> true about the cars I've had along the way. I wouldn't know what to do with 
> a Nissan GT-R (besides keep a bank account and service calendar for it) and 
> I doubt it would have been as fun to me or go as many places as the Fiat 
> with the limited slip differential in this picture.[image: 
> RenderedImage.jpg]
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:49:11 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> My wife and I are spending a week in northern AZ, which included a day of 
>> mountain biking in Sedona. We rented fancy dual-suspension, carbon fiber 
>> wonderbikes which are about as anti-Riv as you can get — and it was a 
>> fantastic experience! I’ve never ridden such a beast before, and was amazed 
>> at the terrain it could handle in the hands of a newcomer to this style of 
>> riding. It’s the most fun I’ve had on a bike in years.
>>
>> I had a Gus in my shopping cart when they were last on sale, but 
>> ultimately didn’t go through with the purchase because I want to be free to 
>> experiment with builds that depart from the Riv way of doing things, such 
>> as IGHs and disc brakes. And now I’m doubly glad I held off, because I am 
>> giving serious consideration to buying a fully modern mountain bike.
>>
>> In retrospect I think I gave too much credence to the idea of 
>> underbiking. There’s no way I could have handled this sort of terrain on a 
>> Riv-style bike — I would have been walking it the entire time. And while 
>> that may be the lowest common gear, as a former commenter here liked to 
>> say, it wouldn’t have been nearly as fun.
>>
>> So I guess this is part confession and part query — who else mixes and 
>> matches their Rivendells with the sort of modern ironmongery that would 
>> give Grant & Co. conniptions? 
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA (but temporarily in Sedona, AZ)
>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Ben Mihovk]

If you do the newbaums and twine and shellac it, it will be pert near 
bulletproof.

-Ben in Omaha 

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:56:49 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
> of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold 
> not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Ben Mihovk]

Greetings!
I commute maybe 75% of the time (negative windchills, rain, and messy snowy 
streets put me in the car) and it's about 3 miles for me. 

I LOVE my Slimsucker...fits my laptop, some books, extra layers, a lunch if 
I need to squeeze it in, etc... Perfect. I also have a Mark's rack up front 
that I put a basket on with voile straps when I need to stop at the store. 
I have a rear rack on my commuter (Atlantis) that I haven't used since I 
got the Slimsucker, but if I have something heavy to carry, I can throw my 
basket on the rear rack and it can do up to 40 pounds I think. 

For your carrying needs, I think you could get away with a bigger saddle 
bag (Baggabond or Happisack) if you're carrying shoes. Maybe even a 
Bike-a-bag (is that what the pannier is called?). 

Have fun!
Ben in Omaha 

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 8:33:29 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
> take the bike into my office.
>
> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>
> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Ben Adrian]

Fantastic. 

No rush on my end. Just hang on to it and I can grab it when schedules are 
better.
I’m happy to PayPal or Venmo any time, or can do cash in person.

Thanks!
Ben

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
> 
> Great thanks Ben! I work until probably 8-9pm tomorrow and not sure what 
> hours the rest of the week. I’m in production so long hours for me until the 
> weekend. I’d be happy to meet as I’m close by in Mt. Washington. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe
> 818-590-8377
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:46 PM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hey Joe
>> 
>> I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park so 
>> maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Ben Adrian
>> 510-543-6407
>> 
>>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
>>> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
>>> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to 
>>> support a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s 
>>> disease—a rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects 
>>> the nerve cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
>>> 
>>> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed with 
>>> ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional toll is 
>>> immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three hours away 
>>> and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into financial 
>>> hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a hairdresser in 
>>> Los Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring for her mom up 
>>> in Santa Maria.
>>> 
>>> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
>>> that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and not 
>>> worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
>>> 
>>> Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but if 
>>> you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. I ask 
>>> that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from Los 
>>> Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to my 
>>> friend too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
>>> 
>>> Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
>>> circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but since 
>>> it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
>>> 
>>> -Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ITEMS FOR SALE:
>>> 
>>> 1. Swift Industries Zeitgeist bag (2020 version) - $130
>>> 
>>> Barely used, only damage is a slight tear shown in one of the photos.
>>> 2. Carradice Keswick handlebar bag - $80
>>> 
>>> Comes with 2 Klickfix mounts for transferring between bikes
>>> Like new, purchased in 2020.
>>> 3. Sugino AT 170mm 3 speed cranks 24-34-46 - $100
>>> 
>>> The 34T & 46T chainrings are Sugino, the 24T is a steel Shimano
>>> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
>>> 
>>> Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
>>> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an 
>>> offer!
>>> 
>>> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
>>> 
>>> Great condition with no signs of use
>>> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
>>> 
>>> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275
>>> 
>>> Almost new 
>>> Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
>>> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
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Re: [RBW] Items for sale to help a friend

[Ben Adrian]

Hey Joe

I’ll take the carradice bag if it’s still available. I live in Echo Park so 
maybe I can just pick it up sometime? Happy to pay right away, though.

Thanks!
Ben Adrian
510-543-6407

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
> 
> 
> *I will be updating this list of items for sale as I take more pictures, 
> gather more prices, and decide what else to part with.
> 
> I’ve been inspired by Riv’s spirit of supporting those in need and have 
> decided that 100% of the proceeds of everything that sells will go to support 
> a friend who’s mother is battling ALS, also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease—a 
> rare and progressive neurological disease that primarily affects the nerve 
> cells responsible for controlling voluntary muscle movement.
> 
> A little over a year ago, my good friend Marisa’s mother was diagnosed with 
> ALS. It has been an agonizing year for both of them. The emotional toll is 
> immeasurable. Given the fact that her mother lives nearly three hours away 
> and requires round the clock care, Marisa has begun to fall into financial 
> hardship while spending time caring for her mom. She is a hairdresser in Los 
> Angeles and she can’t cut her clients’ hair while caring for her mom up in 
> Santa Maria.
> 
> Some close friends and I are hoping that we can chip in to support her so 
> that she can spend what time remains with her mother being present and not 
> worrying about the unmanageable debt that’s piling up.
> 
> Prices are what I estimate they are worth given current market value but if 
> you feel like being generous, know that 100% of it goes to my friend. I ask 
> that you please add $15 for shipping. The actual cost to ship from Los 
> Angeles may be more or it may be less. If its less, that will go to my friend 
> too. If it’s more, I will cover the difference.
> 
> Some items may be bicycle-adjacent (camera bags, etc.) Under normal 
> circumstances I’d never post non-bike items for sale in the group but since 
> it goes to a good cause, I figure it does more good than harm.
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who might buy some of this stuff! 
> 
> -Joe
> 
> 
> 
> ITEMS FOR SALE:
> 
> 1. Swift Industries Zeitgeist bag (2020 version) - $130
> 
> Barely used, only damage is a slight tear shown in one of the photos.
> 2. Carradice Keswick handlebar bag - $80
> 
> Comes with 2 Klickfix mounts for transferring between bikes
> Like new, purchased in 2020.
> 3. Sugino AT 170mm 3 speed cranks 24-34-46 - $100
> 
> The 34T & 46T chainrings are Sugino, the 24T is a steel Shimano
> 4. Thomson Masterpiece 27.2x330 set back seat post - $80
> 
> Used with a few scratches as shown in the photos
> 5. MKS GR-9 platform pedals with cages and VO leather straps - make an offer!
> 
> 6. Roadrunner bags cell phone pouch - $25
> 
> Great condition with no signs of use
> 7. GB Stem 12cm - make an offer!
> 
> 8. Billingham 335 camera bag - $275
> 
> Almost new 
> Almost fits into a Wald 137 basket. Will easily fit into Wald 139
> Photos of everything here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

That is a great idea! Thanks!

Ben

On 1/27/2022 5:05 PM, iamkeith wrote:
Don't forget to look through the cyclofiend photo archives.  There are 
lots of examples there.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html

I settled on a nitto handlebar bag support, that riv used to sell, on 
my ram.  I've posted pictures somewhere, but can do so again if you're 
inerested.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

I love this crazy, out of the box thinking, but 2 kgs seems like not 
quite enough load capacity.


Thanks!
Ben


On 1/28/2022 11:18 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Here's an out-there suggestion for a "road" bike with no proper rack 
attachment points


Convert to Dia Compe GC610 centerpulls: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124254805889
Buy the Gran Compe ENE front rack: Dia-Compe Ene Front Rack Bag 
Luggage Carrier for Road Bikes Silver | eBay 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/255277087645>
(optional), buy the adorable bag to fit: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333939881911
I ran this setup for a while on my Black Mountain Road, and it worked 
fine.  I ran a normal handlebar bag with a decaleur.


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hey all!

I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of
you know.

I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has
eyelets for
fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a
mount at the brake bolt.

Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the
favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is
appreciated as
well.

    Cheers!
Ben Adrian



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