[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint
I did the 3 tubes with clear coat for $50 less 10% coupon. There were several other options but I didn't need all the extra gloves/sandpaper/etc. Some of the other oranges looked a little closer on the ap but the c5 was recommended. When it arrives I'll repost so all of the other creamsicle Rams can get their orange on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e88f53d2-c2a0-4fb0-9036-cd87e4137240o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint
Just pulled the trigger in the Lamborghini Huracan Orancio Borealis C5C5 touch-up paint from Touch-up as others have mentioned. Will let you know how it looks when it is received. See link below. https://touchupdirect.com/touch-up-paint/lamborghini/huracan/#pf-year=all=111820=jar Leave the year blank. Good luck! Bruce On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 2:27:49 AM UTC-7, Nick Payne wrote: > > If you take the frame to a paint store, they should be able to scan it and > produce a matching colour paint, though it will just be plain and not > metalflake. Alternatively, see if you can find some orange metalflake nail > polish that's a close match. I found some blue metalflake nail polish that > is a good match for the paint on my Romulus, and I touch up any scratches > through to the bare metal with that. > > Nick > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2784ddff-feaf-40f3-81c6-2e314fbe9154o%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] 69 cm A Homer Hilsen for $1100 on eBay (not mine)
Looks like a 64 to me. I reached out to the seller several times and have yet to receive a response. Not sure how the seller has a 100% rating. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5010847f-b4c0-48d8-8511-2bb4d0174207%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] FS:Brooks B17 Champion Special Antique Brown Phil Wood touring Hubs Scott Mathauser Brake pads.
Is that saddle still avail? Bruce currybruce3atgmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d29d22d8-9bb8-4329-ae36-afb8c55abb2e%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] WT: 66cm Riv Ramboulliet for a 62-64cm Riv
Sean, I have an orange 64 frame to swap. Interested? Thanks. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] 68cm Rambouillet
Hey Lon, would love to chat about this. currybru...@gmail.com Many thanks. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS 68 cm rivendell rambouillet
Jim, can you forward me your details offline. I would love to chat. Curry Bruce 3 @ gmail. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Trying to help a friend with his RAM, what are the largest fenders you can run and largest tires?
I have VO 45 stainless fenders over 33 jack brown blues. It is very tight and I had to cut the daruma bolt short but still doable with an orange 64 ram. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: best tires for fendered rambouillet
I have 33.3 green Jack Browns with 45 Velo orange stainless fenders on my 64 ram. Very tight and took a lot of wrestling plus a hacksaw to the darima bolt but works. The new 2 clamp vo's rattle much less than the older single clamp design. If I had a do-over I would try the 50mm Berthouds. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Seattle Mechanic Recommendation- Overhaul
Plus 1 on Freerange ( in Fremont - they sell Riv/Rawlands and Ocean Air and hosted Grant during the Just Ride tour), My daily shop is RE (U Dist) and Tre builds some great wheels. Counterbalance in U dist is also good. Brian there was at RE and owns a Ram. I also like Polka-dot Jersey down in Leschi who always have interesting bikes in their repair section. They seem to have a good handle on custom tweaks (setting up lights, fenders, brackets, etc). Elliott Bay down in Pike Place market is considered the gold standard - home of Bill Davidson and all the amazing bikes he has built over the years, Not an easy location for me, a little pricey and can take forever to get your rig back. Montlake strikes me more as a commuter shop. When I stopped in they didn't seem to know much about Rivs and didn't quite speak steel. Bruce On Thursday, October 24, 2013 5:32:29 PM UTC-7, Tim Tetrault wrote: Hey Seattle based RBW gang- I don't have the skills or tools to perform my own overhaul, but could any of you recommend a reputable mech who maybe knows their way around a Riv and will take pains to do a good job for a full overhaul? Thanks in advance. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: From bar ends to thumbies
+1 on Ultegra bar ends on Paul's Thumbies. I was coming off a MTB to my Ram and the oem DT shifters were uncomfortably distant for me to shift properly. I set up an indexed 3x9 with thumbies which I am very happy with. I did get a 48cm noodle to mitigate crowding of all that hardware on top of the bars. Having the output cables of both shifters pointed towards each other so close to the stem necessitates having them mounted at odd angles to each other to allow them to cross effectively. Only a deal if perfect symmetry is important to you. I need to move my hands to shift from my normal ride position on the curves to downshift but can rotate my thumb across the bar to move to a higher gear. I also like the idea of mounting the thumbies under the bar as someone else suggested. Maybe a winter project. BC On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:54:13 PM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote: I run a Shimano Ultegra BE shifter on a Paul's Thumbie, on my 1x9spd riser-bar commuter. It's my preferred system, and works equally well indexed or in friction. Flawless shifting. My Ram is running the remaining BE pods, fitted with the spacers from Riv and Dura-Ace DT shifters mounted. Also great! KJ On Monday, September 23, 2013 7:33:05 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote: Since retiring I have gradually moved my single bikes back from bar ends to down shifters. Now that I don't commute and rarely ride into heavy town traffic I find I prefer the speed and clean looks of DT shifters. But the tandem is still bar end because my stoker doesn't like me letting go of the handle bars, and we're never or rarely needing to shift rapidly. But I am considering switching these to thumbies. Has anyone made this transition, especially with drop bars? With friction? How did it go? Do you like it better or worse? My wife has been enjoying the albatross bars on her half of the tandem and so we have been talking about also switching her single and if I do that maybe I'll install thumbies there too. Do people use this combination and how have they likes it? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Bike Fit - Back/Elbow/Knee
I have been getting some weird, annoying and persistent pains lately. Nothing debilitating but enough to make me uncomfortable. I plan to play with my fit geometry over the next few weeks and wanted to seek out the knowledge and experience of the group. I realize that Fit is perhaps one of the most difficult and subjective of all the velo arts but I welcome any feedback my fellow listers wish to provide. Known facts: My mileage (about 75/wk) hasn't really gone up but the fall weather windows may be pushing the ride dates closer together. My bars are about 1 higher than the saddle. I am old enough to have watched Nixon's resignation on the evening news. The only fit change I made recently was to bring the saddle about 1 closer to the bars. My first thoughts are to 1) move the saddle back, 2) drop the bars to saddle height as I have heard others do (even though I expect the additional weight will exacerbate the elbow). Elbow: essentially the tendon and related muscle/connective tissue over the top of the joint (from the hollow to the bone at the top of the whole assembly) as you would sit in an armchair. The joint also hurts when first moved after being stationary for more than a few minutes and again as it reaches full extension. Back: mild sciatica-type symptoms starting at the lower back near the top of the pelvis. I am developing largish knots in my lower back down to the top of my hips. Knee: irritation to the pencil lead sized tendon which runs vertically down the leg between the kneecap and the Medialis (potato) muscle. This is located near the part of the knee you could flex to touch the downtube while riding. Any thoughts or feedback are welcome. Thanks all. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 68cm Ram near Seattle
This is not a 68cm it is a 64cm in near mint condition. A 15 yr old kid named Skyler is selling for a neighbor and according to him the frame was never built out and is in perfect condition. He was relying on info from wife of the owner and hadn't gone to see the frame yet before listing on CL, He sells mtn bikes on CL and will ship if needed. He doesn't know much about Rivs but has done some research on ebay and has a general idea of what to sell it for. New pix will be attached to SEA CL Listing soon. Email is: skylerlee...@aol.com. Bruce On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:23:17 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/3105497010.html Wow. Pricey but a like-new 68cm Ram. - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cRBYfEzo4i4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale; Riv Quickbeam Flip-Flop SS Wheel set, GB 2286 Front Bag, etc
Marc, on that Gilles... I have a 64cm frame with the handlebars are 40cm over the front rack. Will your decaleur will reach. Thanks. Bruce On May 27, 8:53 am, Marc Schwartz mschw...@nmsu.edu wrote: Hiya All! The Stuff Purge Continues Some More I am offering the following items; 700c Single Speed flip-flop wheelset. 32 spokes front and rear. Sansin hubs, stainless spokes, Araya TX rims. These are the original wheels from my first iteration green Quickbeam. Good used condition. Hubs are excellent, as are spokes. Rims have some brake pad residue, but no prominent wear. $135/set including oversize shipping cost. Gilles Berthoud 2286 Front Handlebar Bag. The tallest one. Black with brown leather. With Gilles Berthoud Decaleur for horizontal mounting for stems like the Nitto Tec. Like new condition. $260 shipped Campagnolo Record Pista Crankset. Classic Classy. 167.5mm arms. 144mm bolt circle diameter. Japanese chainring, 42T. Square Campy taper. 9/16 X 20 Pedal threads. Excellent shape. $80 shipped. Suntour Superbe road pedals. Silver with black cages. Sealed and smooth bearings. 9/16 threads. Christophe steel clips (size large), leather straps with leather shoe pads and plastic end buttons. Bodies fine, cages, clips, straps good condition with normal wear. I will include a set of brand new Suntour black replacement cages. $75 shipped. 2 Willow tripleizer chain rings. 130mm BC X 74mm BC. 1ea 46 tooth, 1ea 39 tooth. For 130mm BC standard road doubles. To be used as a middle ring allowing the addition of an inner third ring (74mm) to a double crank. Unused with a little shop wear. $25/ each shipped. All including Shipping to CONUS. Paypal, por favor. Please email for photos and more info to mschw...@nmsu.edu. Thank you all for your consideration. The following have been sold; VO Campagne Handlebar Bag Official BOB wool cycling jersey Nitto M12 front rack VO Constructeur front rack VO Stainless Steel wing nuts Thanks, Marc http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/az6.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Point of order on fenders on Ram: All I have 33.3 Jack Browns with fenders (45mm stainless VO's). The silver brakes probably help w/clearance. Took a couple hours to install/tweak but worth it. Bruce On Apr 11, 2:21 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Compared to what came later, the only functional drawback of the Ram is tire clearance, and it's not really a drawback compared to the rest of the world. The Ram can ONLY take 700x33.3's without fenders. Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH and Roadeo beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in awesomeness. -Original Message- From: Rambouilleting Utahn glam...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:41 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page on the Ram on his website http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around the Silver brake) and a few other differences. Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway down the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have to repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added. hope that helps. On Apr 11, 11:33 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
I will post on this later this am after I take some pics and get the serial number. It is orange (which I think ran until 2003) but since am not original owner I don't know for sure. The brakes are the true silvers (not 556's or other bigmouth). Bruce On Apr 12, 6:38 am, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote: Can we see pics or a write up on how to do this? I think a lot of us Ram riders would love to run a Jack Brown / Fender combination. I also second the request on what year your ram is from. It's possible some change occurred in later years (like the rack braze-ons folks have mentioned that aren't on my blue ram) I run 28s (Gatorskins but have run Roly-Polys ) with the SKS P35s and feel like I have barely enough room those and Bigmouth 57s. The BM57s were a big improvement over the Shimano R600 brakes but I can't see how to get bigger tires and fenders under them. Love to see some shots / write up =) Stephen On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:05:35 AM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote: Point of order on fenders on Ram: All I have 33.3 Jack Browns with fenders (45mm stainless VO's). The silver brakes probably help w/clearance. Took a couple hours to install/tweak but worth it. Bruce On Apr 11, 2:21 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Compared to what came later, the only functional drawback of the Ram is tire clearance, and it's not really a drawback compared to the rest of the world. The Ram can ONLY take 700x33.3's without fenders. Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH and Roadeo beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in awesomeness. -Original Message- From: Rambouilleting Utahn glam...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:41 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page on the Ram on his website http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around the Silver brake) and a few other differences. Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway down the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have to repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added. hope that helps. On Apr 11, 11:33 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Here are the pics of my Ram with 33.33 Jack Browns and 45mm VO Stainless fenders. http://www.flickr.com/photos/taizocurry/6925065306/in/photostream/ The one change to the standard VO install is the the rear hanger was clipped to fit and be mounted from underneath the fender. I cut a small slot with a dremel so that the hanger head could fit thru the fender from the bottom to reach the brake bridge. The other tweak was to wrap the stay bolts with hemp twine to keep the pronounced rattle to a dull roar. Bruce On Apr 12, 6:38 am, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote: Can we see pics or a write up on how to do this? I think a lot of us Ram riders would love to run a Jack Brown / Fender combination. I also second the request on what year your ram is from. It's possible some change occurred in later years (like the rack braze-ons folks have mentioned that aren't on my blue ram) I run 28s (Gatorskins but have run Roly-Polys ) with the SKS P35s and feel like I have barely enough room those and Bigmouth 57s. The BM57s were a big improvement over the Shimano R600 brakes but I can't see how to get bigger tires and fenders under them. Love to see some shots / write up =) Stephen On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:05:35 AM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote: Point of order on fenders on Ram: All I have 33.3 Jack Browns with fenders (45mm stainless VO's). The silver brakes probably help w/clearance. Took a couple hours to install/tweak but worth it. Bruce On Apr 11, 2:21 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Compared to what came later, the only functional drawback of the Ram is tire clearance, and it's not really a drawback compared to the rest of the world. The Ram can ONLY take 700x33.3's without fenders. Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH and Roadeo beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in awesomeness. -Original Message- From: Rambouilleting Utahn glam...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:41 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs? Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page on the Ram on his website http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around the Silver brake) and a few other differences. Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway down the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have to repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added. hope that helps. On Apr 11, 11:33 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older stuff somewhere on their site? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fit - Back Pain - RivRiders Handlebar Survey
I am a tease... ask anyone. I think I didn't doublecheck that the album was public before sending the link. As to crabs...they were kayak-caught last summer on Lopez. After fresh crab cooked in seawater on the beach in the San Juans nothing else tastes quite as good. Zone 7 has been good to us. Bruce On Apr 3, 5:58 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: At the risk of seeming over eager, the link doesn't work for me. And if I need bike porn, there's a Flickr group of that name: http://www.flickr.com/groups/87416120@N00/ OTOH, if you Google bike porn, I'm NOT resposible for what you find! Teasing us with Dungeness crab after the season has passed? Now that's not fair! Bill On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:09:38 AM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote: OK RivBikers.. You had me at Bike Porn. This is with the latest stem raise to 4cm above saddle height to alleviate back pain. Will be adjusting per Dr. Esteban's advise later today to see if my spine remains intact. I thank all those who contributed advise. I do appreciate it. Photos attached here: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=114171552924642549314ta... Note to anyone with either sensitivity or previously diagnosed addiction to Dungeoness crab porn... do not go past the first picture in this album. It's a slippery slope people. Recovery is long and hard. Bruce On Apr 3, 7:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Bill- could you be a little less overt in your shameless gambits for more bike porn? have you no dignity man? Now, back to the topic at hand: Bruce, please post a picture of your bike already. -Matt On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:23:29 AM UTC-4, Bill M. wrote: Bruce, Can you post a good profile picture of your bike as it sits, and maybe one of you on the bike? Bill On Monday, April 2, 2012 5:05:14 PM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote: Tis the season to be putting on more miles and I am experiencing more pronounced lower back pain. For some reason climbing makes it even worse. I feel like my bars are too far forward for me but don't wan't to launch on a stem buying spree without some scientific study and addl input from group members. The facts: 64cm Ram with the bars about 3cm over saddle height, 60cm cockpit w/a 12cm stem and a VO wayback seatpost w/a brooks B17. I am tall with long torso short arms. When I look at my front hub thru my bars the hub is about an inch ahead of the line made by the bars (but since the bars are up so high this point is essentially moot). What I think is probably the most telling issue is that my knees remain about 7 away from my bars (measured horizontally from each other from a purely eyeballed vertical plane separating my knee from the bars). The method I used to take this measurement was to spin backwards holding onto the wall looking straight down at a tape measure to judge the imaginary horizontal distance from the farthest forward progress of the knee. Has anyone else faced this challenge? Solution? Does the knee-bar quotient seem like a rational metric. Anyone else care to share their number? Bruce in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fit - Back Pain - RivRiders Handlebar Survey
OK RivBikers.. You had me at Bike Porn. This is with the latest stem raise to 4cm above saddle height to alleviate back pain. Will be adjusting per Dr. Esteban's advise later today to see if my spine remains intact. I thank all those who contributed advise. I do appreciate it. Photos attached here: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=114171552924642549314target=ALBUMid=5727209143669659169authkey=Gv1sRgCN6fvKHRzcX3lgEfeat=email Note to anyone with either sensitivity or previously diagnosed addiction to Dungeoness crab porn... do not go past the first picture in this album. It's a slippery slope people. Recovery is long and hard. Bruce On Apr 3, 7:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Bill- could you be a little less overt in your shameless gambits for more bike porn? have you no dignity man? Now, back to the topic at hand: Bruce, please post a picture of your bike already. -Matt On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:23:29 AM UTC-4, Bill M. wrote: Bruce, Can you post a good profile picture of your bike as it sits, and maybe one of you on the bike? Bill On Monday, April 2, 2012 5:05:14 PM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote: Tis the season to be putting on more miles and I am experiencing more pronounced lower back pain. For some reason climbing makes it even worse. I feel like my bars are too far forward for me but don't wan't to launch on a stem buying spree without some scientific study and addl input from group members. The facts: 64cm Ram with the bars about 3cm over saddle height, 60cm cockpit w/a 12cm stem and a VO wayback seatpost w/a brooks B17. I am tall with long torso short arms. When I look at my front hub thru my bars the hub is about an inch ahead of the line made by the bars (but since the bars are up so high this point is essentially moot). What I think is probably the most telling issue is that my knees remain about 7 away from my bars (measured horizontally from each other from a purely eyeballed vertical plane separating my knee from the bars). The method I used to take this measurement was to spin backwards holding onto the wall looking straight down at a tape measure to judge the imaginary horizontal distance from the farthest forward progress of the knee. Has anyone else faced this challenge? Solution? Does the knee-bar quotient seem like a rational metric. Anyone else care to share their number? Bruce in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Bike Fit - Back Pain - RivRiders Handlebar Survey
Tis the season to be putting on more miles and I am experiencing more pronounced lower back pain. For some reason climbing makes it even worse. I feel like my bars are too far forward for me but don't wan't to launch on a stem buying spree without some scientific study and addl input from group members. The facts: 64cm Ram with the bars about 3cm over saddle height, 60cm cockpit w/a 12cm stem and a VO wayback seatpost w/a brooks B17. I am tall with long torso short arms. When I look at my front hub thru my bars the hub is about an inch ahead of the line made by the bars (but since the bars are up so high this point is essentially moot). What I think is probably the most telling issue is that my knees remain about 7 away from my bars (measured horizontally from each other from a purely eyeballed vertical plane separating my knee from the bars). The method I used to take this measurement was to spin backwards holding onto the wall looking straight down at a tape measure to judge the imaginary horizontal distance from the farthest forward progress of the knee. Has anyone else faced this challenge? Solution? Does the knee-bar quotient seem like a rational metric. Anyone else care to share their number? Bruce in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Book Tour - Seattle Stop
Spoke to Free Range Cycles in Freemont (@Seattle Bike Expo this weekend) and hear that Grant has a possible date in Seattle of 5/11/12 to do the Book Tour Thing. I'm sure I'm not the only lister that would like to come and hear a talk and/or support in other ways. GP: please let us know once the schedule is decided. We will help spread the word. Bruce in Seattle On Mar 9, 5:36 pm, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: Notes about book tour: The pub, not me, sets up the schedule, and I just go along. It's not clear to who pays---my contract doesn't address that, and I've been assuming the pub pays, but on the Ultimate Source for Info on Everthing (internet/google), it kind of says yeah, maybe you, maybe them, just depends. So...if it IS me, then it will be an even shorter tour---but I will certainly make it to any Rivrelated venues. If it's them, I'll go to Austin other places. No, not talking at Mellow Johnny's. I'd get kicked out of there real fast. Anyway, I'll find out Monday who pays. It's a good publisher, the opposite of Rinky Dink, and I've been treated well from the start. I have that kind of faith...but I long for verification. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom
I have a Ram with 33mm Jack Browns and 45mm VO stainless fenders. A bit of a pain on the install (a couple hours on install, some dremel work and tweaking) but fits well. I did get the Silver brakes for additional muscle (rather than room) and this probably makes a difference. My $.02 is you can get 32/33 tires under you w/Ram/Rom as long as you go long reach brakes, are patient and have faith that it will all work. Lastly the VO fenders are a great look w/Riv but their stays (at least w/the single eyelet bolts) rattle like hell out of the box. I ended up wrapping the eyelet bolts with the same hemp twine Riv sells for the handlebar wrap. This also keeps the fender stable by keeping it from shifting/twisting as you go over bumps. Much better results after this last touch. Bruce On Jan 5, 4:38 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I will second both of Etaban's posts. The Ram/Rom was designed as a road bike. They are great brevit bikes but the design point is definitely 28mm fenders and that is where the bike will give you its best. I'm sure I could run 30s under my Honjo fenders, but don't think 28 to 30 or to drive the choice. michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding?
In the spirit of peace love and understanding... Retaliation is not a sustainable strategy. Riding in the center of the road merely serves to irritate your fellow travelers and reinforces negative stereotypes and behavior directed towards you as well as all other bikes on the road. The only sensible choice is hold yourself to your own high standard of behavior and hope that others choose to do the same. You can no more make driving choices for them than they can riding choices for you. Bruce On Jan 4, 7:07 pm, Bill Carter billcar...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, I believe we all have had similar experiences. A recent law was passed here in Georgia that requires motorists to give cyclists at least three feet clearance, but it remains to be seen whether the police will actually enforce it, and publicity to educate the motoring public about the new law has been sorely lacking. I was once buzzed on an uphill by a huge black SUV, and I moved over toward the center of the lane thinking that might dissuade the next idiot from trying the same stunt. Well, a sheriff's car pulled me over to lecture me for not riding far enough to the right. I was tempted to ask him how many cars he had pulled over in his career for buzzing cyclists too close, but I figured arguing with the long arm of the law might not be a good idea. Thanks for the reminder to be careful out there, and to be respectful of others on the forum because life's just too short. Bill Carter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new AHH, new city: Seattle build advice
Hey Matthew, as one of several Seattle Riv riders I can chime in. I ride a triple Ram (26/39/49 x 11-26) and stay almost exclusively on the 39 ring (but then I ride w/out a load). There is only one 30 yard stretch on my normal routes where I need the 26 (coming off the top of I-90 over lake WA). Summer is gorgeous w/long dry days. Winter is fairly mild (esp coming from Ann Arbor) with short gray days (dusk at 4:30pm). Rain is about 33 - about equivalent to Boston or NYC except you get more gray drizzle out here. You will want fenders and a solid light set-up. I ride a brooks but don't leave it outside at all. Give me a yell when you hit town. Best of luck. Bruce On Jul 11, 12:23 pm, Matthew Snyder mwsny...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RBW folks, I put down a deposit on a new AHH (63cm) and I'm looking for advice on how to build it up. I'm relocating to Seattle after years of living in various places where the biggest hills are highway overpasses. I'm looking to build a commuter that can also handle weekend trips, overnights, light touring, centuries... that sort of thing. I see there are a few Seattle-area people on this list so I'm hoping to elicit some insider advice. The AHH will not be my only bike. I already have a Bilenky porteur (650B) that I will use for grocery runs and heavy loads. I have a beater for locking up outside late at night. I want the AHH to be zippier, more suited to a faster pace and longer rides. I have a set of Acorn bags (large saddlebag and boxy rando bag) that I plan to use as part of the build, and I'm hopeful that those bags will be enough for daily use, perhaps augmented with a backpack on days when I need extra capacity. I'm also considering a rear rack with panniers. I have a set of orange Ortliebs which are great at keeping things dry and for visibility, but lose points in the attractiveness category, I think. I have been using albatross-style bars almost exclusively for the past five or six years. But I'm thinking it makes sense to go with drops on the AHH for the increased riding positions. I'm 6'3, 175lbs, in case that matters. Questions I have: - What about the rain? Obviously fenders are a must, but I'm interested in other suggestions from people living in rainy climates. Are there certain components you'd recommend or not recommend? I'm also very interested in tire suggestions -- my current favorite tires are Hetres but it's been awhile since I've bought a quality 700c tire and I'm not sure what people like for rainy, hilly areas. - Hills. I know this might sound silly, but I haven't had to think much about gearing, living on flat ground. I always have enough gears and I can usually get by with just one if need be. How do I know if I want a compact double or a triple? - Saddles: I've been riding mostly Brooks for years, and I carry a rainproof saddle cover with me. Should I consider some non-leather alternatives, though? Thanks. This will be my first Riv! -- Matthew Snyder Ann Arbor, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Touring Gear
Is the berthoud frontbag still available? Bruce On Jun 7, 12:22 pm, Tim Smith tssm...@sonic.net wrote: Well, I couldn't sell my 59cm custom. So I'm offering the touring accessories that I was planning to sell with it separately. This is (deluxe!) gear that I've bought in the past 7 or so years, but for one reason or another never used on a tour. That is, the stuff may be used in the sense that it has been tried out on a short ride, but never used hard, and shows no or very little signs of wear. Prices include USPS Priority Mail shipping to lower 48 USA. Berthoud Frontbag (basic) WITH rack and decaleur -- $170 Berthoud SS fenders, struts, hardware (no flap), will fit 700C up to 35mm (probably more) -- $ 35 Tubus Logo rear rack with taillight -- $ 110 Ortlieb front roller classic bags, red (really like new!) -- $ 105 Picture (group shot) at http://www.flickr.com/photos/11901252@N06/sets/72157626820508070 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS B17 and Selle Anatomica saddles
Does that B-17 honey have copper rails? Bruce On Jun 4, 9:36 am, Melanie Yolles myol...@gmail.com wrote: My search for the perfect saddle is at an end (for now). The Brooks Flyer Special S is perfect on my Bleriot. So its time for the test saddles to go. B-17 honey - $80 shipped (ridden for ca. 20 miles) Selle Anatomica Titanico black - $150 shipped. (ridden for about 5 minutes) Both a superb saddles - just not for me. Email me if you're interested. Thanks, Melanie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle Riv Ride: 10:10 on 10/10/10
Sorry to miss the ride next weekend. I have seen several Rivs in Seattle this summer (two blue Rams, a yellow Bleroit, a green custom (?) and a seafoam Atlantis) and I would love to see more. Bruce Orange Ram. On Sep 30, 1:00 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: San Diego, San Francisco and Portland have RIv Rides--let's try for one in Seattle! I hear they've happened in the past Brian Hanson and I have been talking about this. Here's the plan: We'll depart at 10:10am on 10/10/10 from Pert's Deli. Come earlier for coffee and pastries. We'll head up the hill and over the I-90 Bridge for a circumnavigation of Mercer Island, and then head back to Seattle for lunch if anyone's up for it, possibly at the Madrona Ale House. Around Mercer Island is about a 2-hour ride for me from my house in nearby Mt Baker, 'least it was this summer, last time I did it, a while prior to the STP. (Clearly I'm no speed demon!) We can break into different speed groups, if enough people show up to make that worthwhile. Plans may be adjusted, ride shortened or lengthened depending on who shows up and how we all feel. The forecast looks fantastic right now. I'll be on my butterscotch Saluki, wearing wool...;) Let me know if you think you'll come along, we can wait for you. Rob in Seattle ___ By the way Here's a route guide: http://www.trimbleoutdoors.com/ViewTrip/273594 and... a Google Map of Pert's Deli: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=Pert's+A+... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Heavy rider wheel issues
I see your 250lbs and raise you almost 20. When I first got my current bike add another 30. I started with a Rambouillet with older 105 hubs on 32 spoke Mavic M3's which were built for the 200lb PO who rode 27mm specialized tires. The rear rim lasted probably 3 months. Solution: keep the 105/32 rear hub, rebuild w/Mavic a317's (?) double butted rims w/DT 14guage spokes and brass nipples that have some loctite-type glue substance which keeps them solidly in place. I put 33.33mm Jack Brown tires @80 psi which are about as light as Grant recommends at my weight. I expect about 1500 miles off the rear JB, about 3k on the front. They have a Kevlar version if you need additional puncture protection. Front rim is the original Mavic M3 w/ the 33.33 JB @70 psi. I have about 2500 miles on these rims without any issues but would move to a Mavic 717 36 spoke on 105's if I did. Last point: go to your local wheel builder to get these done. You will get free trueing as well as his advice. Cost is probably $60 for the hub, $45 for the rim, $1/spoke and $50 for the build. Last thought. At 100miles/wk I was losing 10lbs/month no matter what I ate. Average ride was 25 - 40miles solo @17-17.5mph. Didn't take long. Bottom line: I think w/a decent hub and the right rim fabbed by a good builder and you will have more than you need for less than $200. Good luck. Bruce On Apr 19, 10:02 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, all. I seek counsel. I weigh about 250 lbs. I often carry 10-15 lbs on a rear rack. I ride a Trek hybrid, sitting bolt-upright. (By the way, this Trek is about as Riv'd up as any Trek could be. Actual Riv relevance: Later this year I'll also be riding a Hillborne and any counsel I receive will apply to it for sure; maybe/maybe-not for the Trek. Also, the riding I do is very much non-clubby, non-race-y, and non-trivial in distance; this seems to match up with Riv philosophy and thus seems appropriate for this group.) I use 700x35 tires on 32- or 36-spoke wheels at about 60 psi. I ride 70-100 miles/week 12 months a year (I bet that'll rise when I get the Hillborne), over half on limestone trail. I'm actually pretty easy on the bike in general, avoiding obstacles/rough path where practical, lifting the wheel and slowing down when I don't avoid the hazard. My problem is that I haven't gotten more than 1000 miles on any rear wheel without complete failure (cracked hub, bent axle) or the need for repair (hub overhaul, multiple spoke breakage, rim *way* out-of- true-or-round). The wheels I've used include some cheapies and some good ones. Some were better to use than others. But all were okay to use (until they failed :( ). More wheel details later. My preliminary question is: should I simply expect to have these problems every thousand (or two) miles? That is, will I likely have problems like these at that rate no matter *what* wheel I have? If so, then my plan will likely be to go for a value proposition instead of a reliability one. That is, I'll settle with a cheap wheel, always having a backup, knowing that I'll have to replace/repair/adjust more often than I'd like. That'd be okay, I guess... though it seems wrong in some profound way; after all, I've literally never *had* to replace any of my non-Pasela tires. I've put at least 3000 miles on my most recent set and still *could* use the originals the Trek came with. (I went through 4 Paselas in short order, with all of them failing in the same way with a sidewall eruption. Too bad. I liked the gum sidewall look.) However, if these wheel problems are avoidable (yes, yes... I know... losing 80-90 pounds would go a long way; let's assume that's not happening short-term), what kind of wheel will avoid them? Wheels I've used thus far include: --- Shimano RM60 (Alivio-ish?) hub / 32 2|1.8|2mm spokes / cheapish Alex rim - lasted about 1000 miles before breaking spokes, eventually on 3 rides in a row --- 105 hub / 36 2mm spokes / Sun CR18 rim - lasted maybe a little over 1000 miles before 4 holes-worth of drive-side hub snapped off of the hub body --- Deore hub / 32 2mm spokes / Sun CR18 rim - lasted maybe 400 miles before breaking spokes on 3 or 4 rides in a row (had 2 of these on the the theory that the first one was not prepped properly... 2nd one was no different with prep) - eventually I bent an axle on one of these, the other one (having been re-laced and re-trued and overhauled) is now my snow/ice wheel and will see little mileage --- XT hub / 36 2|1.7|2mm spokes / Velocity Synergy OC rim - lasted around 1000 miles before periodic ka-tink ka-tink noise appeared in the hub; am currently looking into whether this is a fatal problem or simply a maintenance issue Now, if the current XT-hubbed wheel's problems turn out to be readily solvable (adjustment of bearings, regreasing, something like that) then I'm happy to stay with this kind of wheel. The spokes seem to
[RBW] Re: 43mm Honjos on a Ram/Rom
I am running 33.33 Jack Browns on my Ram w/the 45mm stainless Velo Orange fenders which is tight but do-able. Before doing this I added the Rivendell Silver brakes without which this set-up would never have worked. There are several other brakes which have this amount of fender clearance but the Silvers looked great and had the kwikstop pads which also make a difference. I had to dremel a slot for the rear fender bracket which I mounted underneath the fender (clipping off the ends and JB Weld-ing it under the curve of the fender). Rear end works really well. The front end is tight and the trick is to find the right amount of bolt tightness underneath the fork. After an hour or so of tweaking it all fits and looks good. Downsides: I often get a little fender rub noise on the front end as I hit the front brakes but not enough to bother me. These fenders have an unusual mount on the back which can cause them the shift or rattle. I counter by wrapping the rear block with the Riv hemp twine handlebar wrap which looks OK and keeps most bumps from shifting the fender-line. I still check them every time I get back on the bike to ensure there is no rub. The fenders are also 6oz heavier than their aluminum counterpart. A lot of people stop to ask me about the fenders. It does complement the Riv silver aesthetic and offers a different look from the hammered honjos. http://www.velo-orange.com/vo45ststfe.html On Mar 15, 8:38 pm, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Not Honjos, but I have 45mm VO fenders on my Ram w/ 32 Paselas. It works well, but, it's close. I don't think I'd get a 33.333 JB under there if I kept the fenders on. The Paselas measure closer to 31. http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/ On Mar 15, 3:35 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone had any success with the 43mm Honjos on their Rams/Roms? Maybe with a 28mm tire? My 35s are too tight. Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
