Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Don Compton]

That is a beautiful bike and the fit looks like Grant fit you. Cheers

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:33 AM Reid Echols  wrote:

> Went for a nice ramble on the Hilsen earlier this week. Almost have the
> build dialed in!
>
> Reid in Austin
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[RBW] Re: Intro to Group!! Toyo AHH

[Don Compton]

Beautiful bike. A true "Country Bike". 

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 8:04:57 AM UTC-7, Garrett Berkey wrote:
>
> Hello! I am new to the group and thought I would share my Toyo AHH with 
> everyone. I have done a couple camping trips with rear panniers, and the 
> frame really didn't like the weight back there (the flex through the frame 
> while at a good speed and pedaling was scary). I even towed my dog when he 
> was a puppy! He weighs 45lbs now so I am going to spare the Homer of 
> pulling him. I decided to take the rear rack off and enjoy it as a rando 
> bike. I love how confident this bike feels at speed on either smooth tarmac 
> or a bumpy gravel descent. There are fewer and fewer people with rim brakes 
> on the gravel rides, but this A Homer Hilsen will do just fine for a long 
> time to come. 
>
> Nitto Noodle, TRP Levers, Silver Long Reach Brakes, Phil Wood Hubs F/R, 
> 2x7sp. Sugino XD Cranks, Brooks B17, Nitto S83, Ultegra Headset + BB, Nitto 
> Mark's Rack, Acorn Bags (just in case people were curious) 
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[RBW] Re: 59 CM Roadeo for sale

[Don Compton]

My Roadeo is sold, thanks for all the replies.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:56:48 AM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I am selling my red Roadeo. 59CM, equipped with Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
> group. Williams wheelset with Hutchinson Secteur tubless tires( a tube can 
> easily added if you're uncomfortable with tubeless). Nitto stem and seat 
> post, Soma Highway One handlebar. No saddle or pedals. No dents, a few 
> paint chips , normal wear. Please email for pics. $1600 net to me.
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Re: [RBW] 59 CM Roadeo for sale

[Don Compton]

I will send you pics tomorrow. Thanks for responding.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:20 PM Jonathan D.  wrote:

> I sent an PM to see pics. I am definitely interested.
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[RBW] 59 CM Roadeo for sale

[Don Compton]

I am selling my red Roadeo. 59CM, equipped with Shimano Ultegra 11sp group. 
Williams wheelset with Hutchinson Secteur tubless tires( a tube can easily 
added if you're uncomfortable with tubeless). Nitto stem and seat post, 
Soma Highway One handlebar. No saddle or pedals. No dents, a few paint 
chips , normal wear. Please email for pics. $1600 net to me.

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Don Compton]

I have a 59cm Roadeo ( 3+ years old ) and I noticed in the picture of the 
new Roadeo that the conection of the seat lug and the seat stay looks 
different. Just an observation.

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. So 
> there ya go!
>
> All good, right?
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
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[RBW] Re: 59cm Roadeo for sale

[Don Compton]

Sorry folks, but the bike is gone. Thanks for your interest.

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 7:58:37 AM UTC-8, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I am selling my Roadeo. Time to move on. The frame is in great shape, a 
> few paint chips but NO DENTS. It is equipped with a Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
> partial group, Nitto stem and seat post, and a very good set of Williams 
> wheels. Asking $1500 net to me.. If interested, please send me a private 
> message and I will send pics and any other info. This is a California bike 
> and there is little to no rust.
> Thanks, Don
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[RBW] 59cm Roadeo for sale

[Don Compton]

I am selling my Roadeo. Time to move on. The frame is in great shape, a few 
paint chips but NO DENTS. It is equipped with a Shimano Ultegra 11sp 
partial group, Nitto stem and seat post, and a very good set of Williams 
wheels. Asking $1500 net to me.. If interested, please send me a private 
message and I will send pics and any other info. This is a California bike 
and there is little to no rust.
Thanks, Don

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Don Compton]

Just curious, what size is that frame? A 60? I had a 60cm Ram and regretted 
selling it starting the day I shipped it. I have a Roadeo, but I still wish 
I had my blue Ram.

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 10:08:12 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> got this rambouillet on craigslist last week. just unbuilt it and rebuilt 
> it with more modern 105 stuff. rides s nice. lightest+fastest rivendell 
> i've ever had. 
>
>
> [image: IMG_1677.jpeg]
>
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>>
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[Don Compton]

My experience with leather saddles is so different than this discussion. 
For years I was using Brooks B-17 Ti models and every one developed a hump 
that made them uncomfortable for even a short ride. I sold them all. I have 
two Berthoud saddles and have not experienced any of these problems 
mentioned. I have used Odenaufs ( recommend bt Mr. Heine) and after a 
fairly long break-in, they have remained very comfortable.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:24:45 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
> very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
> the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
> bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
> Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
> have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
> comfortable than the Aspin?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell tinkering..

[Don Compton]

Thanks for your pictures. I recognized Bode. I remember the road to Bode 
from the the highway used to be pretty rough.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 12:57:33 PM UTC-8, Craig Montgomery 
wrote:
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> Owen, Deacon, Kiley, 
> You bet. The bikes invite "messin' with." I remember reading the early 
> catalogs where Grant would make suggestions on different ways to set up his 
> designs.  I remember unboxing that brand new '96 All Rounder and thinking 
> "now what the hell can I do with this?" The bike changed over the years 
> through the evolution of riding styles, purposes, and age. And it was a lot 
> of fun, stress relieving, and cheaper than changing bikes. Although I've 
> had dozens of bikes in my adult life, collecting and riding vintage, the 
> All Rounder has always been the mainstay, the flagship, and always 
> malleable. 
> Here's a few major permutations: 
>
> 1997:   https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/4354670656/
>
> 2003:   https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/3199899065
>
> 2008:   https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/3696789561
>
> 2017:   https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/24144107988
>
> 2019:   https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/47179428032/
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 5:18:21 AM UTC-7, OwenS wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if it's just me but my recently acquired Clem Smith has me 
>> continually tinkering and tweaking the setup - trying new positions for the 
>> microshift thumbies, different bosco bar heights and angles and it got me 
>> wondering if this has been the same experience for others? Do you find 
>> yourself continually wanting to tweak, modify and personalize your bikes? 
>> With all my previous bikes from Trek and Specialized I never felt this way, 
>> they never really encouraged personalization in the same way. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Don Compton]

Wow. That is one, sweet "Country" bike. Great components.

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 6:23:11 PM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
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> My AHH.
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[Don Compton]

Evan,
Thanks for posting. That is a beautiful bike. I used to have a 60cm Ram and 
rode a lot of long rides on it. Rams are the best.

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 8:32:21 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Rambouillet: 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19TrbqrlTfcHNB9_tF1YU0UsdMqx-VaGM/view?usp=sharing
>
>
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[RBW] Looking for a 60cm Ram frameset

[Don Compton]

I am looking for a 60cm Ramboullet frameset. The frame can be scratched , 
but no dents. I live in N CA. I would have the frame repainted. 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet Refresh

[Don Compton]

That's a beautiful bike. Love those Rams

On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 3:50:20 AM UTC-8, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I took it for a shakedown yesterday and it was very sweet. Just a few 
> little tweaks needed, but it's staying like this for a while. I moved the 
> link to Flickr because Google is phasing photos out. Can't upload anymore. 
> For those who are interested, the spec:
>
> Paint: Amber Gold/Cream By Nathan Barnes (Pelham AL)
> Headset, triple crank (52/42/30) Rear long cage derailler, BB: Ultegra
> Brakes: Shimano A550
> Front Derailler: Campy Mirage
> Stem: Nitto Dynamic
> Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow
> Bar: Nitto Mustache (upside down for more height.
> Wheels: Shimano Tiagra hubs and Arraya non-machined rims
> Cassette: SRAM 11-34
> Tires: Panaracer Pasela 1 1/2"
> Bar Tape: Specialized Roubaix
>
>  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmxUiWpP 
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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Don Compton]

I have to pass. They've lost me with their new models.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:31:37 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> Here :*
>
>
> 6. This will be our 25th year. We'd talked internally about a 20th 
>> anniversary bike, but it never happened. We're talking again, and there are 
>> a few ideas, but IT may not happen, either. I don't want to make a 
>> collector's model, but I want it, if we do it, to be special in some way. 
>> My idea is a long shot. I know the criticism it would get like I can hear 
>> it now. It would be a special kind of mixte with special tubes requiring 
>> special lugs, and a normal decal wouldn't work on it. We're investigating 
>> the soundness of the idea. I am not a tease. It's laterally ovalize top and 
>> downtubes, to make the side-viewable surfaces minimal. The seat tube has to 
>> be round at the top to fit a round post. It sounds weird, but looks great 
>> in my head. We'd make four sizes, do 25 of each, and label them RIVENDELL.
>>
>>
>> 7. Alternatively, we'd do something less radical, not call it an 
>> anniversary model, and have it be an ongoing model.
>>
>
> (*Also that whole Blahg post sounds a bit like Kurtz plodding ever further 
> up the Nong, God bless 'im.) 
>
> Jeff "Eventulism Bandit" Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

[Don Compton]

As an owner of my fourth Rev( a Roadeo), I would be interested if it's a 
bike like the Ram or something similar.

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 2:42:48 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned this as a possibility on the latest Blahg, and I'm curious 
> to hear how much interest there is in it. I think it sounds swell, 
> especially with the "Rivendell" name on it. I want one!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Don Compton]

At one time  I owned a 60cm Ram and a 59cm Rom. I thought that the Rom was 
heavier and kind of dead. I really liked the Ram, Great handling and a 
lively feel. My Roadeo is a step above the Ram.

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 1:48:03 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Please only those who have ridden both:
>
>
> I own a blue Ram.
> Gonna be any noticeable ride diffs if I get a Roadeo?
> I do road riding with light loads.
> Just wondering if worth getting one or if it is virtually the same 
> experience.
> Thanks for the info.
>
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Don Compton]

Some Roadeo's have downtube shifter bosses. My Roadeo has them.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 4:06:08 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> That's a reeeally good looking rig! I can tell you put a lot of thought 
> into the build.
>
> (As an aside, I had no idea that the Roadeo doesn't have DT shifter 
> bosses. Guess I never noticed. You'd think of all their frames, this one 
> would?)
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Black road wheels

[Don Compton]

Check out Williams cycling

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:49:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm looking for 100/130 road wheels with black hubs/spokes/rims for my 
> Sparkly Orange Roadini. 
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Don Compton]

I really like my Roadeo and loved my Ram. I appreciate Grant's vision. But, 
I have ZERO interest in his new models. He lost my interest.

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 8:43:49 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see 
> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>
> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
> Collin
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Pacenti Brevet 700c rim questions.

[Don Compton]

I have used Compass ( Grand Bois, also ) for years. When the rim 
manufacturers went to tubeless design, I found that lots of tires were 
really difficult to mount when new. I found out that it's really important 
to use a very thin rim tape. Just a thought.

On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> FRBWOBI:
>
> I emailed Kirk Pacenti and he reported back that Weigle says Compass and 
> those rims are a perfect match. So sounds great!
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet purchase

[Don Compton]

Assuming no dents, no rust, just a few scratches ( dropouts, chain stay ) 
and components are in working order, $ 1000-1200. I have seen them go for 
less, but those purchases were a steal.

On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 5:57:21 PM UTC-7, James Copp wrote:
>
> Hi friends,
>
> I am seeking help appraising a Rambouillet, and looking for details on the 
> frame in regards to year made and location.  A friend has offered to sell 
> me his 58cm Rambouillet before he posts it publicly.  It includes
> Nitto Stem
> Nitto Bars
> Velo Orange Seat Post
> Brooks Saddle
> New Shwalbe Tires
> Mavic Open Pro Rims
> Ultegra derailurs
> Tekrto R538 Brakes
> Its an 8 speed in the back, 3 in the front
>
> The frame has cosmetic damages
>
> What is a fair price for this ride?  I am new to the Rivendell world. 
>  Thank you.
>
> (I attached a photo)
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[RBW] Re: Goatheads and goatheads, what is rider to do?

[Don Compton]

Some of the tire brands are very sensitive to over inflation. And I ride 
90% of the time on pavement, but many times on rough or broken pavement. 
28s is the perfect size for my riding habits. I inflate my tires to 68r and 
60f and some of the other brands will not hold these pressures. I was 
riding my Compass 32c extralights with tubes at 55f and 50r.I could have 
purchased Compass 35c, but one of my bike's clearance between the chain 
stays would have been a little tight. My Roadeo would have been fine with 
35s but my Rex needed to have the chainstays widened and I really didn't 
feel the need for a tire wider than a 28.

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 8:48:28 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> Ok, as a Roadeo owner, maybe I am not today's typical Riv owner. But, 
> living in Northern CA and experiencing "goathead " season, I have finally 
> found a solution to the problem. I finally tried "Tubeless" tires. What a 
> revelation. I was using Compass 32 extralights and recently got 4 flats in 
> 6 rides ( 3 goatheads and 1 radial tire wire ).Enough is enough. I bought a 
> pair of Hutchison Sector 700x28 tubeless from Rex Cycles in Sacramento and 
> the 28s ride better than the Compass 32 extralights and in 5 rides I 
> haven't had a flat. Also. the tires, while riding and handling better than 
> the Compass tires, the combo of tire and sealer is lighter than the tire 
> and tube combo.I really think think this is the future of bike tires.
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[RBW] Goatheads and goatheads, what is rider to do?

[Don Compton]

Ok, as a Roadeo owner, maybe I am not today's typical Riv owner. But, 
living in Northern CA and experiencing "goathead " season, I have finally 
found a solution to the problem. I finally tried "Tubeless" tires. What a 
revelation. I was using Compass 32 extralights and recently got 4 flats in 
6 rides ( 3 goatheads and 1 radial tire wire ).Enough is enough. I bought a 
pair of Hutchison Sector 700x28 tubeless from Rex Cycles in Sacramento and 
the 28s ride better than the Compass 32 extralights and in 5 rides I 
haven't had a flat. Also. the tires, while riding and handling better than 
the Compass tires, the combo of tire and sealer is lighter than the tire 
and tube combo.I really think think this is the future of bike tires.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

[Don Compton]

The largest size is 56ctc. Oh well

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 9:13:18 AM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:
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>
>
> https://alexscycle.com/collections/randonneur-frames/products/rivendell-rambouillet-frame-front-fork-1
>
> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 7:39:16 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Alex cycles has new Rams made with niobium tubing in blue and green in 
>> 50, 52, and 56 sizes for $1,625 plus shipping (frameset).  Good deal for 
>> those wanting them. I think supply is very limited. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:56 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Christopher, what do you mean that it's still possible to get a new Ram 
>> from Japan? Is there NOS out there? Nothing I have read or heard would lead 
>> me to believe that there are new Ramboullets coming out of Japan. This 
>> would not be the first time I've not known what I'm talking about. 
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo touch-up paint

[Don Compton]

If you're lucky to find a color match, fingernail polish works really well.

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> Any recommendations for touch-up paint for the off-white paint on 
> Rivendell Roadeo?
>
> Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: Grant Consulting For TdF Racing Teams?!

[Don Compton]

I think varnished cotton tape is still in the distant future.

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 7:34:04 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
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>
> I did a double take when I saw the lead photo *Cycling News* ran for a 
> tech gallery feature of this year's TdF machines:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Kinda looks exactly almost like this bad boy, from Rivendell's derailer 
> page:
>
>
> 
> Wow. According to the VN article below, it can actually save you a watt or 
> two when you are pushing 250 watts! No wonder my Trekendell, running Altus 
> big wheels, is going so fast! I bought one from Riv a while back, right now 
> it resides on my son's bike. Had to go elsewhere for the black edition for 
> my Trek conversion. The pro version shown in the CN gallery is slightly 
> more expensive that the $28 Altus, but, you know, it's special, and better! 
> Plus, you'll appreciate it more if you pay more! And really, what's $500 
> when your bike cost 9 Gs?
>
> Velonews even ran a whole ad--I mean article--about the system and the 
> company that makes it, CeramicSpeed.  Grant has been extolling the virtues 
> of larger pulleys
> for some time now. I guess it's a case of "Just Ride" working it's way up 
> into the pro peloton. Funny, I did recently hear a rumor that MovieStar 
> riders had been spotted riding with Albastache bars at an undisclosed 
> location just before the tour. Stay tuned for the final TT...
>
>
> https://www.velonews.com/2018/07/bikes-and-tech/tour-de-france-pros-are-using-oversize-rear-derailleur-pulleys-should-you_472956
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[RBW] Re: Prayers for Deacon Patrick

[Don Compton]

Thank God you're ok. I feel lucky that I can enjoy your many photos and 
posts. Take care .

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> Reports of devastating floods along Fountain Creek near Deacon Patrick's 
> home in Mountain Glen near Woodland Park, CO. Prayers for everyone there. 
> My wife Ann is safe in Denver but planning to visit Colorado Springs on 
> Wednesday with her sisters.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle turning into a banana

[Don Compton]

It's bad if you're having a prostate problem

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 8:59:13 PM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have been touring, and yesterday it rained quite a bit. My B17 seems to 
> have developed quite a curve, upsloping front and back, or sagging in the 
> middle. Is this unusual? Is it bad? Just curious about what board members 
> think. Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Is the Roadeo gone?

[Don Compton]

Bottom line, I screwed up selling my 60cm Ram, and I will not make the same 
mistake with my 59cm Roadeo. The Roadeo is a fairly expensive non-custom 
frameset, but it's a great design and the build quality and paint is 
impeccable. And the geo is perfect for someone that just plain enjoys 
riding his or her bike.

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>
> I was looking for the Roadeo on the Riv site, and couldn't find it. I am 
> thinking of going to a Compass tubeless tire in a 700x35 size and was 
> wondering if it would fit my 59cm Roadeo.
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[RBW] Re: Is the Roadeo gone?

[Don Compton]

On another subject, maybe with this switch to the Far East for 
manufacturing, Riv could resurrect the Ram. Just a thought.

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> I was looking for the Roadeo on the Riv site, and couldn't find it. I am 
> thinking of going to a Compass tubeless tire in a 700x35 size and was 
> wondering if it would fit my 59cm Roadeo.
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Re: [RBW] Is the Roadeo gone?

[Don Compton]

As always, thnaks for your advice.
Don

On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 3:37:40 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It sure helps with mine!
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> Will Orange Seal help with tubes?
>>
>> On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 8:16:59 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Don: Re: tubeless versus tubes for goatheads:
>>>
>>> IME, which is considerable, even Compass extra light Elk Passes (175 
>>> grams for a 26 X 29 mm tire) shrug off goatheads with tubes containing 
>>> Orange Seal. You might not need to convert to tubeless with 35 mm tires.
>>>
>>> IME again, tubeless is better for flats only with fat tires requiring 
>>> less than 30 psi -- the low pressures don't seem to force the sealant 
>>> through the holes in the tubes; while OS and Stan's work in tubeless tires 
>>> down to mid-teen psi's.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Don Compton  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks. It's goathead season around here, and I am finally going to try 
>>>> tubeless. I am looking at the Compass 700x35.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 6:07:52 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Don-
>>>>>
>>>>> My 59 cm Roadeo fit an actual 38 mm tire with minimal (~2 mm) 
>>>>> clearance (chainstay pictured below).  A 700 x 35 will fit yours with 
>>>>> safer 
>>>>> clearances.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ​
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was looking for the Roadeo on the Riv site, and couldn't find it. I 
>>>>>> am thinking of going to a Compass tubeless tire in a 700x35 size and was 
>>>>>> wondering if it would fit my 59cm Roadeo.
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[RBW] Re: Is the Roadeo gone?

[Don Compton]

Allright. Here's what I am going to try. I am going to have Steve Rex ( 
actually Doug, his AAA mechanic ) buy some Compass 700x35 extra lights and 
have Doug install them on my Williams' tubeless-ready wheelset. Down the 
road I will buy a compressor ( just a tank) so I can get the beads set. My 
go-to bikes are a Roadeo and a Steve Rex and both are set up to handle 
700x35 tires. Can't wait to try tubeless. And, thanks for all the advise.

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>
> I was looking for the Roadeo on the Riv site, and couldn't find it. I am 
> thinking of going to a Compass tubeless tire in a 700x35 size and was 
> wondering if it would fit my 59cm Roadeo.
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Re: [RBW] Is the Roadeo gone?

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
Will Orange Seal help with tubes?

On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 8:16:59 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Don: Re: tubeless versus tubes for goatheads:
>
> IME, which is considerable, even Compass extra light Elk Passes (175 grams 
> for a 26 X 29 mm tire) shrug off goatheads with tubes containing Orange 
> Seal. You might not need to convert to tubeless with 35 mm tires.
>
> IME again, tubeless is better for flats only with fat tires requiring less 
> than 30 psi -- the low pressures don't seem to force the sealant through 
> the holes in the tubes; while OS and Stan's work in tubeless tires down to 
> mid-teen psi's.
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks. It's goathead season around here, and I am finally going to try 
>> tubeless. I am looking at the Compass 700x35.
>>
>> On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 6:07:52 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> Don-
>>>
>>> My 59 cm Roadeo fit an actual 38 mm tire with minimal (~2 mm) clearance 
>>> (chainstay pictured below).  A 700 x 35 will fit yours with safer 
>>> clearances.  
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was looking for the Roadeo on the Riv site, and couldn't find it. I 
>>>> am thinking of going to a Compass tubeless tire in a 700x35 size and was 
>>>> wondering if it would fit my 59cm Roadeo.
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Re: [RBW] Is the Roadeo gone?

[Don Compton]

Thanks. It's goathead season around here, and I am finally going to try 
tubeless. I am looking at the Compass 700x35.

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> Don-
>
> My 59 cm Roadeo fit an actual 38 mm tire with minimal (~2 mm) clearance 
> (chainstay pictured below).  A 700 x 35 will fit yours with safer 
> clearances.  
>
>
> ​
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> I was looking for the Roadeo on the Riv site, and couldn't find it. I am 
>> thinking of going to a Compass tubeless tire in a 700x35 size and was 
>> wondering if it would fit my 59cm Roadeo.
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[RBW] Is the Roadeo gone?

[Don Compton]

I was looking for the Roadeo on the Riv site, and couldn't find it. I am 
thinking of going to a Compass tubeless tire in a 700x35 size and was 
wondering if it would fit my 59cm Roadeo.

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Re: [RBW] The "One Bike" for a featherweight?

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
You have some really cool bikes. Cheers
Don

On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 4:56:44 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Perhaps this is not stealing from Riv's market, given your quandary, but 
> you might enquire with Chauncey Matthews (Matthews Custom Cycles, Belen, 
> NM) who specializes in rather nice and even exotic off road bikes at very 
> reasonable prices. Mine doesn't give me the superlative ride I'd expect 
> from an Atlantis or Hunqapillar -- but who knows, I've not ridden those -- 
> but it rides darned nicely for a bike that takes 60 mm tires with fenders, 
> 70s or 75s without, is made from lightweight heat treated tubing, has all 
> sorts of custom features, and allows use of a Logic triple with sub 160 mm 
> Q (Q on mine is right at 160, but I could get a 126-127 spindle to work in 
> place of the 130). Disc brakes with nice, tapered, curving fork, custom 
> racks f/r.
>
> I'm 175 and my bike shown weighs in at 30.34 lb with frame bag full of 
> kit, pump, spare tube, 4 oz sealant; 1 lb tires with 4 oz sealant; and 
> bulky dynamo light system, the innards of which are in the frame bag.
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Sean Steinle  > wrote:
>
>> So, I see lots of discussion around how a bike handles for tall/heavy 
>> riders. What I don't see is much about us featherweights. Is it because we 
>> don't have to worry about it, or what? I'm 125 pounds if I'm lucky, and I'm 
>> lusting after a Bomba/Hunq. The thing is though, I'm wondering if it's 
>> overkill. I live in Kansas and have endless miles of country roads with 
>> loose, large gravel that I want to explore, and dip my toes into some 
>> bikepacking. I also commute to work, and buying a new bike will likely mean 
>> selling my Titanium Brommie, so this new bike will see plenty of paved 
>> roads for commuting duty as well. 
>>
>> I bought a Soma San Marcos (54 cm 700c version) frame on an impulse, 
>> without doing any research. Everything that Grant has said about it though 
>> is that it's made with lightweight tubing and is a road bike.  I was 
>> originally thinking about doing a 650b conversion to get 42s under there, 
>> but now I'm second guessing it with Grant's "this is a road bike" remarks. 
>> With my interest in lots of gravel riding and bikepacking, this frame seems 
>> like a poor choice. 
>>
>> Sorry for the long-winded post. I think my real question boils down to: 
>> does being very light let me pick whichever frame I want as long as tire 
>> clearance and geo are good, without the worry about putting too much stress 
>> on the frame on rough surfaces? Or is a Hunq/Bomba still a good choice for 
>> me?
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Re: [RBW] J.P. Weigle For Sale

[Don Compton]

CONGRATULATIONS! A Weigle is my dream bike. This one was a little big for 
me.

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> Not to gloat, but I am delighted to have snagged this. Perfect size for 
> me. I’ll need to move a bike on, but this should be a great brevet bike.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62 Rambouillet 745$ complete bike ebay

[Don Compton]

I am so happy this bike is not my size(58 0r 60cm)

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> no affiliation. just thought some would be interested.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Rambouillet-Road-Bicycle-62cm-Excellent-Condition/292587804128?hash=item441f9795e0:g:DSUAAOSwj0RbEVa9
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[RBW] Re: My redone Atlantis

[Don Compton]

That is one beautiful bicycle. CHEERS

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:31:56 PM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> Over the winter I redid my Toyo Atlantis - stripped to the bare frame and 
> rebuilt it -- went from mustache to Noodles, got fancy new-to-me wheels, 
> crankset, and BB as well as bags and rear support from the list. Stem, 
> rack, and sundries from Riv. Compass tires. Paul Touring cantilevers. 
>
> Looking at this photo it looks undersized (certainly it is by Riv 
> standards) -- it's a 64, and in a fender-less fattie setup I like the extra 
> room. My Ram and QB are 68 cm. I took it out for a 24 mile spin today -- 
> thoroughly enjoyable. 
>
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> Bloomington, Il 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
The Roadeo is just slightly more responsive, and has room for bigger tires. 
I had a 60cm Ram and have a 59cm Roadeo. The fit is very similar. Just 
personal, my Roadeo is a very slight favorite.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 8:21:24 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Don: Can you say if, and how, the Roadeo handles differently from the Ram? 
> I've owned a Ram and am interested in a Roadeo.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Don Compton <dpc...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I have owned four ( two Roadeos). For me it's a toss up between my old 
>> Ram and my current Roadeo. Both are wonderful bikes and are great for 
>> longish rides. Impeccable handling.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue 
>>> Ram, later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.
>>>
>>> I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe 
>>> gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it 
>>> just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer 
>>> gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just 
>>> rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to 
>>> ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know 
>>> why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels 
>>> -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight 
>>> differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle 
>>> cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I 
>>> dunno. 
>>>
>>> I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; 
>>> but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose 
>>> now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.
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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

I have owned four ( two Roadeos). For me it's a toss up between my old Ram 
and my current Roadeo. Both are wonderful bikes and are great for longish 
rides. Impeccable handling.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 3:30:55 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue Ram, 
> later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.
>
> I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe 
> gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it 
> just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer 
> gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just 
> rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to 
> ride, measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know 
> why this is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels 
> -- same tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight 
> differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle 
> cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I 
> dunno. 
>
> I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; 
> but for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose 
> now!", I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.
>
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[RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
Thank you for another great post.

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:54:32 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I strive to complete Chasing Mailboxes fantastic invitation to 
> incorporate errands into everyday riding, having tried multiple years, and 
> finally been successful last year.
>
> I’ll update this post as I complete more controls, but wanted to post this 
> in case anyone wanted to quickly jump in and join the fun! Today’s trip: 
> 120 pounds of bulk groceries, for the “You Carried What?” control.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonnee-2018
>
> Here are the details from Mary at Chasing Mailboxes:
>
> https://chasingmailboxes.com/2018/03/11/errandonnee-2018-the-details-of-our-lives/
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Don Compton]

I would really like a 60cm Saluki with Roadeo/Legolas tubing.

On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 12:21:26 AM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly topic 
> creation.  I’ve owned 2 sams,  a hunq, Clem and Atlantis. Down to just an 
> Atlantis now and pretty happy. I’ve been thinking about what kind of model 
> would get me to buy a new rivendell again. So I pose the same question to 
> you all. (Let’s eliminate the things they won’t do, like low trail and disc 
> brakes) 
>
> For me, it’d be a Roadini with clearances for 
> 2.1 tires or a canti cheviot. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking opinions on 11 speed roadie setup

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
I have Ultegra 11sp on my Roadeo. At 66yo I have little or no need for high 
gears but still enjoy close gears on the flats and rolling hills. I have a 
48-34 crankset with an Ultegra 14-28 cassette. That's a straight block 
14-21 with 23,25 and 28 cogs added. It's like having an older triple. I 
like to keep my rpms at 85 or higher and when riding with friends the close 
gears help me find a comfortable gear which has always helped me maintain 
decent speeds over the length of a ride.. And I always hated the shifting 
and wide Q of a triple crankset.
And after 2 years the Ultegra 11sp has been flawless. All I have done is 
clean the chain, cassette, an cables under the bottom bracket. Not bad for 
a full group that was purchased for  $600 shipped to my home.( shifters, 
brakes,cable set, derailleurs, chains, and cassette)

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 12:00:24 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This brings up an interesting question: I know it applies mostly to racing 
> at close to 10/10s, but still: do any of you find that the easier shifting 
> when using brifters translates into measurable speed gains, on the average? 
> I realize that this depends on riding style and conditions, but I think the 
> question can be answered in a general way. 
>
> And while we're at it, do any of you find that more cogs means measurably 
> faster speeds?
>
> I'll tell you what does make for measurably faster speeds, IME: 
> freewheels! Yes indeed, a freewheel will make you faster, at least if you 
> are riding where there are any steepish hills. I was struck -- the only 
> time I bothered to notice it -- when I compared my times on a given route 
> with my tank of a Fargo with very heavy wheels (800 gram rims, 800 gram 
> tires, and much taller to boot) against my times on the much lighter 
> Rivendell road fixies and found them much the same. Combine coasting with 
> downshifting on climbs and you might go faster --who'd a' thunk?
>
> Patrick "fixed and slow is better than coasting and fast" Moore, who once 
> dated a woman because of a bike.
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Max S  
> wrote:
>
>> ...At that point I also started using a lighter bike and 9 and 10 sp 
>> drivetrains – Shimano and Campy, respectively – but didn't see too many 
>> improvements. But I did start dating a beautiful girl. Win some, lose some, 
>> I guess.) 
>>
>> Anyhow, I now have just one bike set up with Shimano DA 9sp brifters 
>> (Deda Zero Uno tubing, which is slightly oversize, fits 700c x 28 mm 
>> tires). I have logged faster times on it than on my other bikes even on the 
>> dirt roads. However, I think it's mostly because it reminds me of my racing 
>> days, so I try to hammer a bit more on that bike. :-) 
>>
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[RBW] Re: No Ordinary Rides

[Don Compton]

Thanks for all your great riding pics. And have a wonderful new year.

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> In which the gift of every ride is celebrated, however small.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Don Compton]

Just looking at the Roadini frame from the side, it looks like it has the 
longer chainstays of the Ram vs the Roadeo. The Ram had less room between 
the chain stays ( width) than a Roadeo or many of their current models. I 
bet that the Roadini is a great road bike that can handle today's fat but 
lightweight tires.

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:59:16 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a 
> Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) 
> that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
> The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit 
> sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv 
> Road customs. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton <dpc...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. 
>> With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat 
>> tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
>>> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
>>> looming build.
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Don Compton]

I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. With 
the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat tires, 
the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet in orange metallic

[Don Compton]

That is a beautiful bicycle. Thanks for the pics.

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 8:17:17 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> For my blue 54 rambouillet:
>
> 700c. -  I only have room for 28mm with fenders. For me this is the max 
> for safety with fenders. 32 was too tight for my comfort zone.
>
> 650b- I now have 650b x 42 Compass tires and fenders with massive 
> clearance all around on my 54 Rambouillet.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/8d6H11
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[RBW] Re: No More Rambouillet Decals @ RBW

[Don Compton]

It may cost more, but decals can easily be copied.

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 4:06:41 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> I'm readying my blue Ram for a re-paint (going green this time) and 
> emailed Roman about decals.  He reports none left and they don't have the 
> graphics files.  Actually, that's Okay. I'd be happy with a more minimalist 
> badging anyway. I've asked about an R deat tube decal, but if that is a 
> dead end, does anyone have one of those "Old Man Peterson's Ferrous 
> Velocipedes" decals? My 52cm size only came in blue so the green will be 
> kind of neat, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadini build and first ride report!

[Don Compton]

Bill, Beautiful build. I am trying to get a feeling for Roadinis. The 
toptube slopes more than my Roadeo. What size your frame and what is your 
saddle height?
Thanks,Don Compton

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 12:47:02 PM UTC-7, William R. wrote:
>
> I took my first "serious" ride on my new Roadini this morning. 28 chilly, 
> brisk, Halloween miles! Short version is it is beautiful, awesome and 
> everything you expect from Rivendell. You may skip to the photos now if you 
> wish...
>
>
> I was notified that Leo Roadini had arrived at my local FedEx location on 
> Friday. Work was crazy and I didn't want to be hasty so I waited until 
> Saturday morning to pick it up. Out of the box everything was packed very 
> well. My daughter assisted me with unpacking. She complained that it was 
> heavy, but I didn't think so... Once unpacked I took a good look at the 
> frame. What a beauty! Rivendell's attention to detail is so high. The new 
> seat lug is a thing of beauty, right down err up to the little curly cue 
> point where the seat post goes in. Nicer than the simple point on my 
> Appaloosa. The decals and gorgeous grilver paint are executed so nicely. 
> The welds in the places where there are no lugs are uniform and clean. I 
> really like the "napkin holders" on the head tube also. I think they serve 
> a structural purpose and are aesthetically pleasing too.
>
>
> We had a lot of soccer and projects for school going on this weekend. I 
> was sure I would not get it built up over the weekend. Still, knowing I was 
> taking today off, I was hoping that maybe by Tuesday I could get it out for 
> at least a shake down ride. Well, as luck would have it, we got hit with a 
> pretty nasty east coast rain storm that was just a drencher all day Sunday. 
> All soccer was cancelled. Projects were done on Saturday. Besides cooking 
> and chasing cabin feverish kids around the house from time to time, I was 
> able to focus on the build.
>
>
> Again, as I went about the build I was continually impressed by Rivs level 
> of attention. Obviously they took it out of the box and went over it before 
> shipping it on to me. Even the water bottle screws had been taken out and 
> the threads lightly greased. I could also tell that a wheel set was very 
> lightly installed. Alignment check? I appreciate that they took the time to 
> do these things. I have had a couple of other frames from other companies 
> that I know were built in the same neighborhood in Taiwan, if not the same 
> factory. I never got the impression that they had left their boxes from the 
> time they were packed at the factory. Luckily there were no problems with 
> those frames, but as time goes on, all of these things that Riv does add up 
> and keep me coming back.
>
>
> The build went smoothly, most of the parts used were from my used parts 
> bin. Some of you may remember me trying to sell my Compass Rene Herse 
> crankset about a year ago. I'm glad nothing came of that! This is the 
> perfect frame for that crank. I also had the SKF bottom bracket, so I 
> pulled the one that came with the frame and installed those. The chainrings 
> are a little worn though and the cassette that I am using here has some 
> miles too. I recently installed a new chain on these used parts and was 
> experiencing some chain skip. To avoid that I put a new chain on my 
> Appaloosa and used the old chain here. It has maybe 1200 miles on it and it 
> worked perfectly. The drive train is quiet, smooth and there is no skip. 
> Maybe I can rehab this drivetrain a bit and get the most miles out of it by 
> cutting down on the miles that I put on the new chain on the Appaloosa 
> before I switch it over to the Roadini little-by-little over time?
>
>
> When Will called me to tell me that the frame was ready to ship, he also 
> mentioned that it was coming with a seat post. I was happy to hear this. I 
> thought Grant said that posts would not be included with these Roadini's. 
> The only 26.8mm post that I had on hand was a super long mtb post. I didn't 
> really want to use that one and was contemplating cutting it. Glad the 
> frame came with the post and I didn't have to deal with any of that. The 
> only new parts that I had to get were the wheels and the brake calipers. I 
> had the buttery Simplex Retrofriction shifters. I also had the cockpit: 48 
> Noodles, Shimano levers and Nitto 9cm stem. I have two pretty used tire 
> choices that I need to wear out before I get any new tires. I decided to 
> start with the Kojaks. They are worn a little square but definitely have 
> some life left in them. Nominally they are 35s, but they measure 32 on the 
> A23 rims with tubes. I also have a pair of Jack Brown Greens that I suspect 
>

[RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

Forrest,
I would be interested in the frameset and headset. I have all the other 
parts that I need.
Thanks, Don

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 1:38:59 PM UTC-7, Forrest wrote:
>
> I have a blue one (60 cm) that is in very good shape that I may need/want 
> to sell soon. Probably frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, Sugino triple 
> crankset, Nitto Technomic stem (7 or 8 cm reach?). I'm in Iowa City, IA. I 
> can send pics if you're interested, though I am a touch on the fence about 
> selling. But too many bikes and am acquiring a new one, so one needs to 
> clear out. Sophie's choice. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:09:19 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or 
>> preferably a frame set.
>> Sincerely, Don
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

[Don Compton]

I have owned 4 Riv's and my current is a 59cm Roadeo. To me "Rivish" is 
finding a bike that you can enjoy riding and also be fairly comforable 
doing so. Pretty simple.

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 1:12:47 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I was at Riv HQ yesterday and had a longish chat with several of the 
> staff.  Will, Corey, Roman, Mark, and I waved hi to Vince.  They had been 
> paying attention to my 10x200 thing, and we talked a little bit about that, 
> and we also talked about the Marin Mountains 200k that had been a big part 
> of the focus of my training.  That ride was scheduled for Oct 14, but got 
> moved to the 28th because of the fires, so it's just a few days away.  
> I was telling Will about the bike I'm going to be using, with it's carbon 
> fiber shock fork and disc brakes.  Here's a link to the photo for those who 
> didn't see it before:
>
> NINER 
> 
>
> I made the comment to Will that it's probably my least Rivvish bike, 
> meaning that it's aluminum, with a carbon shock fork, with disc brakes, 
> etc.  It's 'modern'.  It's 'contemporary', etc.  Will disagreed.  Will said 
> he thinks it is totally Rivvish, because I've considered every part on the 
> bike, and decided on what will work for me, with zero consideration about 
> what others expect me to run.  This fork works for me, so I'm running it.  
> I want shifters on the steertube, so I made a shifter mount.  I think 
> hydraulic discs are the best, so I'm running them.  I think brifters are 
> lame, so I'm not running them.  I want 650B wheels on a Niner, so there.  I 
> want a dynamo hub, even though I'm running 15mm through axle.  I 
> commissioned a custom lamp mount.  Etc etc. The upshot is that "being 
> Rivvish" does not mean blindly following Riv's style. It means freeing 
> yourself from style-following.  
>
> Since Will is young, pale and bald, I thought we should paraphrase 
> spoon-boy
>
>
> 
>
> Do not try and bend the *style*, that's impossible. Instead, only try to 
> realize the truth...*there is no style*. Then you'll see that it is not 
> the *style* that bends, it is only yourself.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

Thanks ofr the pic. I am still interested. Then you get a chance, can you 
send a few more pics of the frame set?

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 3:09:19 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or 
> preferably a frame set.
> Sincerely, Don
>

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

Michael,
I am interested. Any dents? Please some pictures.
Don

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:54:24 PM UTC-7, Michael Rivers wrote:
>
> I have an orange 60cm frame, but won’t be able to ship for weeks. 
>
> Michael 

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

Thanks for the reply, but that frame is a 62ct. I like to ride a frame on 
the large side, but a Ram 60 is my limit.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 3:31:31 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I think there's a 61cm for sale on this list:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/kKU8E-E5nWU
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
> On Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:09:19 UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or 
>> preferably a frame set.
>> Sincerely, Don
>>
>

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[RBW] 60cm Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or 
preferably a frame set.
Sincerely, Don

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[RBW] Re: Jobst ever say why he didn't wear helmet?

[Don Compton]

Not wearing a helmet while cycling is right up there with the argument 
regarding not wearing a seatbelt in a car. What if I can't get out of the 
car? I have seen rider's heads bounce off pavement with a helmet. They 
ended up with a concussion, but can you imagine the result if they weren't 
wearing a helmet? NO BRAINER

On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 9:06:52 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>
> *Please let's not discuss helmet use.*
> *I'm Just looking for Jobst quotes.*
>
> Just wanted to know if he ever discussed this publicly.
>
> I cannot find any comments by him about it online.
> Anyone here read anything he said on this?
>
> Thanks for any links.
>
> Let's leave this at just links. Thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a sub-25lb. complete Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

My 59cm Roadeo with an Ultegra 11sp group. Nitto bars and stem, and 
Williams Wheels weighs around 22 lbs.

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 3:45:49 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> With 10+ gears, that is...
>
> What components are on it?
> Just curious to see.
> Thinking of dropping weight for my component replacements.
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[Don Compton]

If that was a 59 or 60, 58tt, I would be all over this bike. What a combo. 
Sachs and Grant!

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:39:20 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-built-custom/6238145416.html
>
> Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!
>
> Ride Safely,
> Beaverton Bob
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[RBW] Re: S240 Season Opener Pics

[Don Compton]

Thanks for posting. It brings back memories for me. I would ride a mtn bike 
with a rear seat for my 4yo daughter and my son would ride his BMX bike and 
we would go exploring on trails in a wilderness area. We had a blast. My 
kids are now 35 and 38 with their own families.

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:13:29 AM UTC-7, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>
>
> I know you fine ladies and gentlemen like pictures so here goes.  We 
> landed at an old Erie Canal lock about 13 miles from my doorstep. Enjoy!
>
> Twas a couple days before a full moon. Tried to put these in order but it 
> kept inserting them randomly
>
>
>
> Moonrise
>
>
> 
>
> Morning
>
>
> 
>
> Unpacking
>
>
> 
>
> Settling in/firewood
>
>
> 
>
> Arrival
>
>
> 
>
> This snake hung out with us for a good hour
>
>
> 
>
> Ride back
>
>
> 
>
> On the way to
>
>
> 
>
> Gypsy dad bike
>
>
> 
>
> Breakfast
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Rosco Road Fatty build

[Don Compton]

Thanks for the pics. That's a wonderful bike.
Don Compton

On Friday, March 10, 2017 at 11:15:12 AM UTC-8, Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>
> This is my first post, but I have been a long time reader.  I've gotten 
> lots of ideas and inspiration from this group, so I wanted to share my 
> first Riv build with you all.
>
> I was intrigued by the Rosco Road frame from the first time I saw it--the 
> blue paint job drew me in and the lifter tube was so weird, but useful 
> looking, and I wanted to try it.  The kicker for me was the geometry-- for 
> the 58cm, all the numbers were spot on for me.  I ruminated over it through 
> December, then pulled the trigger in early January.  The frame arrived 
> January 17th, and I had it built up by the 18th.  The initial build was 
> more or less the same as you'll see in the photos, except I was running 
> Jack Brown greens, old Dia-compe cantis, and a B17.
>
> On my first ride I was immediately struck by the bike's ride and handling. 
>  It smooths out road noise better than my previous smoothest bike-- a 1964 
> Atala Grand Prix, also wearing Jack Browns.  And with the long chain-stays 
> it is exceptionally stable going forward (and descending), but it also 
> turns quickly and with no twitchiness or drama.  I figured that these 
> characteristics are what Riv owners praise when they talk about the Riv 
> feel.  I love it.  Very confidence inspiring.
>
> I use this bike primarily for commuting and riding the local trails on the 
> weekend.  It kills on crushed gravel.  I can't wait to take it on some 
> country road rides once I get a free day.
>
> Here are some build details:
>
> Drivetrain: 1x9, Sugino-- RD2 cranks with 44t chainring, Exustar pedals. 
>  Shimano 11-32t rear cassette. Microshift R10 RD shifted by a Dia Compe ENE 
> bar end shifter (friction, of course!!!)
>
> Wheels and tires: H Plus Son Tb14s, Soma Cazaderos (tons of clearance on 
> this frame! I ran some BG Rock n Roads for a weekend, but like the 
> Cazaderos better, because they roll nicer on pavement)
>
> Saddle & seat post: C17 Cambium, whatever Riv sent
>
> Bars and stem: Nitto B135 42s, some old SR Royal 90mm I had sitting around
>
> Brakes and levers: Paul Touring Cantis (the best brakes I've ever tried) 
> and Shimano levers.
>
> And now, photos.  Thanks for reading!
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xa5ALapt91s/WMLtZb8Y7QI/B78/M3w2eqmS_6MHpywb3N9O38F_UxGvjQq0gCLcB/s1600/IMG_6974.JPG>
>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n0QbOG-XuKs/WMLtis8pZ8I/B8A/khBP5km8X6s0tl-nYx6rCEW-HkNoM8DZgCLcB/s1600/IMG_6977.JPG>
>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Tc6PfAU6r9E/WMLtsMQAZMI/B8E/2hPaIgUXNSk5zfYUxj1v3MJKUjgv3l4DgCLcB/s1600/IMG_6978.JPG>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RB-1 vs Rivendell

[Don Compton]

Beautiful bike. Great traditional RB-1 paint scheme and colors. 
In your pic, I noticed that the chainstays are much shorter on an RB-1 than 
on a Roadeo. 

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 5:20:48 PM UTC-8, clifto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Thanks again to everyone for all the useful perspectives!  Andy's reply in 
> particular really speaks to what I'm wondering about.  If a Rivendell 
> really feels like a higher quality bike and is less fatiguing (read more 
> enjoyable) over middle distances then that appeals to me a lot.  As I get 
> older and more achy but still able and wanting to do 75 mile rides with 
> some regularity (thanks Advil!) comfort means a lot.  I know prices for the 
> RB-1 peaked some time ago and even fairly priced, good condition examples 
> with up-graded components seem to languish on Ebay but I assume if I can 
> honestly say it's an NOS bike/build with one 20 mile shakedown ride I think 
> it would bring a better premium that if I did a couple of metric centuries 
> on it.  Fortunately it's not nearly spring here in Vermont (was 1 degree 
> this am) so I have some more time to ponder.  Now if I'd only started this 
> thread before that new 57 Roadeo frame sold on Ebay for $1500!
>
> I've tried to attach a small picture as I have no photo site at the moment.
>

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[RBW] Re: Kogswell P vs. Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

Wow, the 60 cm Kogswell P's geometry is identical to my old blue 60 cm 
Rambouillet.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> The truth be told:
>
> http://yojimg.net/bike/kogswell/kogswell_docs/Model%20P/Model%20P.pdf
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 6:22:41 AM UTC-8, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Saw an ebay listing for a 62cm Kogswell P and the ad copy stated it was 
>> an exact copy of the Rambouillet geometry. IIRC, the P was only made 
>> briefly, used lugs and HT tubes out of Taiwan.  Does anyone know if was in 
>> fact a close relative or truly an exact copy? 
>>
>> Hard to believe, but the Ram took a "nap" about 10 years ago now and 
>> still hasn't woken up :)  I saw an Orange 55 CM frame here on the list this 
>> week and ALMOST bought it. It is truly a big too big though, even if I 
>> built it as a 650B. I hope someone who will enjoy its ride gets it and 
>> builds it up. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: bar height

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
Propper fit on a bike is unique to each rider. I used to ride a 56ctc 
Italian frame with an 11cm Cinelli stem. Not anymore. Bars at whatever 
height should fit the individual rider. AMEN

On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 5:48:51 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I also like my bars low enough; certainly not high above the saddle. My 
> road bikes -- the 2 Riv customs -- are set up identically with the bar 
> about 1" below saddle. That's up from 3" below saddle up to my mid 50s, and 
> *that's* up from 6" below saddle when I knew no better than to have my 
> bar 6" below saddle, and saddle too far forward. Grant cured me of that 
> about 1995, and I went from a 13 or 14 cm stem and saddle all the way 
> forward to saddle way back, a 8 cm stem, and half the saddle to bar drop. 
> Age and shallower drop (but longer reach) bars raised the bars the 
> additional 2 inches.
>
> I first put the bar on the Matthews (all 3 drop bar bikes have Maes 
> Parallel clones with 115 mm reach and 125 mm drop; 38s at the hoods for the 
> Rivs, 42 for the Matthews) a good inch above saddle, but it has gradually 
> worked its way down to about 5-6 mm below saddle -- and I cut off a good 
> amount of steerer, too. I sometimes find it feels a wee bit high when 
> cruising fast on smooth surfaces at speed, and I think of getting negative 
> rise stem, but I can always bend my elbows. It's a good all-round bumpy 
> dirt-to-fast-pavement-cruising position. 
>
> What I find I dislike about bars much above saddle height is 2 things: (1) 
> the bike feels "tippy"; (2), I feel as if I can't get any torque to the 
> pedals. I tend to ride in higher gears than many, I think. Since I ride 
> fixed so much, I often find myself dropping into the hooks, or at least 
> shoving back and bending down, not because of the wind, but for a bit more 
> torque to crest a rise, say. 
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: bar height

[Don Compton]

They're set 1cm above the saddle. Also, the bars are Soma Highway One's. 
Short reach  and very shallow drop.

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 10:05:24 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Don
>
> How much further are your bars above the saddle??  I have my bars 15mm 
> above the saddle. 
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 11:55:52 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
>> I have finally given in to Grant's bar height philosophy. Please forgive 
>> me for my past transgressions. On my Roadeo I raised my bars slightly above 
>> my saddle and I am much more comfortable and able to spin as before ( I am 
>> 65 ).
>>
>

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[RBW] bar height

[Don Compton]

I have finally given in to Grant's bar height philosophy. Please forgive me 
for my past transgressions. On my Roadeo I raised my bars slightly above my 
saddle and I am much more comfortable and able to spin as before ( I am 65 
).

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[RBW] Re: Riv in wild: Glendale CA, blue custom

[Don Compton]

Not mine, but sweet bike. Thanks for the pic

On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 7:53:01 PM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> As seen at my local vons. Looked great. Custom? Older?  Anyone here?

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Don Compton]

Would his bike need the extra space for the larger tires and fenders? Just 
a thought.

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Pano
>
> The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS 
> a conscience decision
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote:
>
>>
>> CS length 47cm
>>
>  
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

I just wish someone would offer a 60cm for dale.

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 4:30:58 PM UTC-8, Alex Zeibot wrote:
>
> Hello - 
> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and I would like to swap it for a smaller 
> Rambouillet either 50 or 52cm.  I might consider a 54cm as a last resort.  
> My orange Rambouillet is in a very good and intact condition, beautifully 
> beausausaged here and there where normally expected. 
> I might consider selling it if all other options are exhausted.
> Email me directly at velob...@gmail.com  if you have 
> questions.
> Cheers!
> Alex
> Minneapolis
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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Don Compton]

They're the new Stampede Pass. I only have about 500 miles on them, but the 
rear shows very little wear. Awesome tires.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 6:53:40 PM UTC-8, Paul Y wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Are 32c ultra lights the Stampede Pass extra light or another tire ? 
> The bike currently has Stampede Pass (standard weight), which are just 
> lovely. I will no doubt be using them for a while before needing to get a 
> new pair.
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:18:15 AM UTC+8, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>> Great writeup. I have had a ton of bikes in all shapes and sizes. At 
>> 65yo, I am no longer looking for that magical bike, I have found it in the 
>> Roadeo.
>> By the way, have you consider Compass 32c ultra lights? They're 
>> expensive, but they really fit a Roadeo's ride. Just a thought.
>> Don Compton
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:13:48 PM UTC-8, Paul Y wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for all your comments. I am indeed loving this bike even more 
>>> after a few days of commuting on it and a couple of recreational rides, I 
>>> don't feel the need to have both this and the Hillborne in the stable, so I 
>>> will probably put the Hillborne frame up on the wall and appreciate that I 
>>> have a great backup if needed.
>>>
>>> The Hillborne won my heart with its reliability and robustness. I 
>>> marvelled at how I could ride it on trail yet join club rides when 
>>> necessary, then shop for groceries on the way home. While I'd never 
>>> complain about its ride and handling, I couldn't say I really enjoyed it 
>>> either. With the Hillborne I loved the maturity and sensibility of design. 
>>> The Roadeo, on the other hand, has awoken the part of me that loves the 
>>> tactile experience of cycling and being at one with a bicycle. It throws 
>>> the sensibility of racks and bags and a kickstand out the window. It 
>>> instead rewards with responsiveness to pedal and steering inputs that is 
>>> both sensual and sensational, and really brings out the joy of riding in a 
>>> puritanical way. It is very pleasurable to ride, even if wearing a backpack 
>>> with a hefty lock and change of clothes, one feels like an athlete, moving 
>>> with strength and purpose on it. I had thought this type of riding was no 
>>> longer for me, but the Roadeo suggests otherwise!
>>>
>>> I will still put on fenders and the Bagman support with the Carradice 
>>> Nelson when they arrive in the mail though, and hope they don't affect the 
>>> character of the Roadeo too much. If I still lived in Chiang Mai or a place 
>>> with some dirtish rides or possibilities of camping, I'd build the 
>>> Hillborne again in a heartbeat, because Sam is perfect in those situations. 
>>> In Singapore though, it is either mingling with the road traffic or 
>>> aggressive XC trail, so having just the Roadeo and my hardtail mtb fit the 
>>> bill well.
>>>
>>> How the Roadeo compares to a Lyon or Boulder though, not something I 
>>> might ever know!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day (Rosco Road 53cm)

[Don Compton]

Looks like a fun bike. Thumbs up!!!

On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 4:12:01 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> In my never ending quest for a 700c road-ish bike (for my short ass at 
> 5'7") with drop bars and wide (over 33mm) tires I've finally landed on a 
> Rosco Bubbe road! I road the demo a few weeks back and really liked it, it 
> felt more spritely than other Riv drop bar road-ish bikes I've ridden. I've 
> never ridden the Rodeo or Legolas but I bet its more along those lines. 
>
> Bought the frame over the holidays when that 10% coupon along with a few 
> parts I knew I needed to complete a build. Repurposed several others, 
> including some RM-013 Nitto dirt drop bars I've had hanging around (which I 
> forgot were 26.0 and sent me looking for a new stem). And was able to score 
> a really nice A23 wheelset off the ibob list for not too much money.
>
> Finally got it all together today and was able to take on a short 3-mile 
> neighborhood jaunt. Love this bike so far. The g-one tires are great, I 
> thought the clearance on this maxed out at 40mm but I think it'll go 50mm 
> (not sure what tires I'd want to put on that are wider but open to 
> suggestions if you got 'em). The one thing I think I'll change is the 
> sugino xd2 double (40/26) to get a higher top gear, thinking about a 46/30 
> (which will allow me to put this double back on the quickbeam as a 40/34 
> crank).
>
> Just in time for more rain and a work trip (hard to complain about rain in 
> california and the coming weekend is looking nice for an extended ride).
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Don Compton]

Paul,
Great writeup. I have had a ton of bikes in all shapes and sizes. At 65yo, 
I am no longer looking for that magical bike, I have found it in the Roadeo.
By the way, have you consider Compass 32c ultra lights? They're expensive, 
but they really fit a Roadeo's ride. Just a thought.
Don Compton

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:13:48 PM UTC-8, Paul Y wrote:
>
> Thanks for all your comments. I am indeed loving this bike even more after 
> a few days of commuting on it and a couple of recreational rides, I don't 
> feel the need to have both this and the Hillborne in the stable, so I will 
> probably put the Hillborne frame up on the wall and appreciate that I have 
> a great backup if needed.
>
> The Hillborne won my heart with its reliability and robustness. I 
> marvelled at how I could ride it on trail yet join club rides when 
> necessary, then shop for groceries on the way home. While I'd never 
> complain about its ride and handling, I couldn't say I really enjoyed it 
> either. With the Hillborne I loved the maturity and sensibility of design. 
> The Roadeo, on the other hand, has awoken the part of me that loves the 
> tactile experience of cycling and being at one with a bicycle. It throws 
> the sensibility of racks and bags and a kickstand out the window. It 
> instead rewards with responsiveness to pedal and steering inputs that is 
> both sensual and sensational, and really brings out the joy of riding in a 
> puritanical way. It is very pleasurable to ride, even if wearing a backpack 
> with a hefty lock and change of clothes, one feels like an athlete, moving 
> with strength and purpose on it. I had thought this type of riding was no 
> longer for me, but the Roadeo suggests otherwise!
>
> I will still put on fenders and the Bagman support with the Carradice 
> Nelson when they arrive in the mail though, and hope they don't affect the 
> character of the Roadeo too much. If I still lived in Chiang Mai or a place 
> with some dirtish rides or possibilities of camping, I'd build the 
> Hillborne again in a heartbeat, because Sam is perfect in those situations. 
> In Singapore though, it is either mingling with the road traffic or 
> aggressive XC trail, so having just the Roadeo and my hardtail mtb fit the 
> bill well.
>
> How the Roadeo compares to a Lyon or Boulder though, not something I might 
> ever know!
>

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[RBW] Re: Photos from 2012 Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail

[Don Compton]

Thanks for the photos. Beautiful.
Don Compton

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 10:32:53 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> With the interest in the trail, here are photos from my trip on the 
> Southern Colorado portion of the trail: 
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/great-divide-mountain-bike-trail/ 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Don Compton]

Welcome to the Roadeo club
Don Compton

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 6:50:55 PM UTC-8, Paul Y wrote:
>
> I just bought this 59cm Roadeo from Tim on the board. 
>
> After six years of living on the Sam and finding no other bike able to 
> replace its position in the stable, moving to the Roadeo feels like a leap 
> of faith. I had initially considered a Lyon (was not entertaining 
> international orders) and then Boulder (Mike seemed a bit too busy to reply 
> emails). Then finally had the realization that I was much more Rivified 
> than I thought, having read this board everyday for years and having really 
> REALLY grown into my Sam.
>
> Hoping to do a SR on it the Roadeo this year and fingers crossed, PBP 
> 2019, but the plan is also for this to replace my Sam as the commuter.
>
> Pics from my shakedown ride:
> https://flic.kr/p/QN8vdm
> https://flic.kr/p/QFaCGn
>
> Tektro 539s
> Rich built 105/SON28 A23
> 8 speed Sora cassette 
> 32mm Compass Stampede Pass
> All other parts are from the hillborne and were standard Riv issue in 
> 2010, except my much-missed silver shifters which suffer the 
> stuck-cable-end syndrome :(
>
> The Roadeo feels incredibly different from the Sam (56cm double TT). More 
> spritely, less robust, certainly more squirrelly at speed but I'm still 
> sorting out my riding position at this stage. Gets up to speed much quicker 
> and more effortlessly. Already missing the rack mounts and ability to mount 
> a kickstand... but I wanted a faster bike and everything can be gotten used 
> to!
>
> I have a Bagman support and fender nuts on order after which a Nelson 
> longflap and 45mm sks chromoplastics will join the party and normalcy can 
> return!
>
> Thanks for sharing in my joy :)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Don Compton]

A beautiful pure Rivendell. I love my Roadeo, but I could sure enjoy a 
Rosco.
Cheers, Don C.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:37:22 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[Don Compton]

OK. After about a 150 miles I measured the tires. They both measured 32.3.

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:40:46 PM UTC-8, Don Compton wrote:
>
> It's Christmas time and I thought that it's my turn to splurge on some 
> fancy tires. It was not a mistake. These tires rock!! My , already 
> incredible) Roadeo has entered a new level of comfort and handling.
>

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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[Don Compton]

I am sorry that I haven't measured them. They're wider than the Grand Bois 
28's I had used before. I have so much room for tires on my Roadeo that I 
don't worry about actual width.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:
>
> Don, what is the width of your new Stampede Passes at your inflation 
> pressures on those 23mm rims?

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

Re:my wife's bike. We are now in our 60's ( 64 and 65 ), but in our 50's we 
road a lot (6-7000 miles a year). We had to rebuild her Campy shifters 
several times and had to replace wheel sets, and finally replaced the Campy 
triple group with a Shimano Ultegra 6800 11sp group. But the frameset will 
remain her favorite forever.
In my experience, a well built and well designed bike is a great 
investment. Heck, we even had her Rex repainted.
Don C.

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 6:40:16 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Need help justifying a Rivendell?

[Don Compton]

I bought a custom Steve Rex for my wife 8-9 years ago. We spent about 
$5000. My wife is 5'1"and needed a custom frame set. She has nevered even 
considered wanting another bike. It really fits the author's experience.
Don C.

On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 6:40:16 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I know most of you do not... but here is a good article 
> 
>  
> about why buying a more expensive version of something (happens to be a 
> bike, and a Moots) can be the right decision.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[Don Compton]

Another note. I am riding the tires at 48psi front and 55psi rear on 23 mm 
rims. They do not feel mushy, but have a wonderful ride.

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:40:46 PM UTC-8, Don Compton wrote:
>
> It's Christmas time and I thought that it's my turn to splurge on some 
> fancy tires. It was not a mistake. These tires rock!! My , already 
> incredible) Roadeo has entered a new level of comfort and handling.
>

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[RBW] Just bought Compass 700x32 Extra Lights

[Don Compton]

It's Christmas time and I thought that it's my turn to splurge on some 
fancy tires. It was not a mistake. These tires rock!! My , already 
incredible) Roadeo has entered a new level of comfort and handling.

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[RBW] Re: 2016 PTSD Ride: The Video

[Don Compton]

Eric,
As always, your videos are fun to watch.
Thanks, Don Compton

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My latest video highlights my annual Post Turkey and Stuffing Day ride 
> from Davis to SF:
>
> https://youtu.be/mgZIty9L4w0 
>
> Enjoy!
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
>

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[RBW] Roadeo ???

[Don Compton]

I really enjoy Rivendells.  I am a roadie , club rider, once in awhile a 
dirt road.  Is Rivendell getting  away from the Rambouillet, Roadeo type of 
bike?

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[RBW] Re: What's the longest you have ridden on your Rivendell period?

[Don Compton]

I am not a long distance rider, but I  rode the Wine Country Century twice 
on my old Ram, and 4 times on my old Roadeo that I sold to someone on this 
forum. At 65, I am enjoying my new Roadeo, but shorter distances and less 
hills. I have ridden lots of centuries over the years and wish I had 
discovered Rivendell much earlier. 
For me, Rivs are the best bikes from both a handling viewpoint and 
comfort.I think the stable handling takes pressure off the rider's core.

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 1:14:29 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> So I typed up this long post to Lum gim fong, and then realized that he 
> was just asking about Boscos.  Woops
>
> I'm going to post it anyway, so I can feel like my effort was justified, 
> even if it wasn't.
>
> 
>
> 1000K is the farthest I have successfully completed.  I'm 2 out of 3 at 
> that distance, the one failing due to a mechanical that could not be easily 
> solved in a geographically remote area of Texas.  (stripped crank bolt and 
> rounded crank arm interface).
>
> 1000K is easier to compartmentalize into seeming just a day longer than a 
> 600K. On a flat-ish one like I did most recently in 2014, I was in all 
> three days around midnight-12:30, so I got some sleep too and still 
> finished 9 and a half hours under the 75 hour time limit.  It still seemed 
> a bit long on the third day, I was telling the guys and gals I was riding 
> with that "It just seems like we ride our bikes all day every day" but 
> overall it was a manageable distance and we finished that ride in good 
> spirits.
>
> I admit to wanting to quit my first 1000K in 2007 at times but it was the 
> point to point Portland to Glacier ride, so if I wanted to quit, I was 
> going to have to hitch hike in remote areas of Washington, Idaho and 
> Montana.  Continuing to ride seemed like a better option at the time, so I 
> did.
>
> I have made a couple of attempts at 1200K, but failed in both, quit on or 
> end of the first day.  It's really in my head.  Mentally for some reason it 
> seems much more daunting than a 1000K, that extra 200K manifesting itself 
> as a 4th day on the bike gets to your psyche if you're having a tough 
> time.  I was miserable in the cold and rain in France in 2007 without 
> fenders.  I was 36 at that time and less mature, I really wanted to go 
> drink more wine and try to meet Parisian women, which of course didn't 
> happen.  The second part, I mean. The other time, I got psyched out by 
> looming spectre of the Salinas Valley headwind in California in 2014 after 
> I slept in on Day 2, just decided to sleep in and go visit family rather 
> than continue riding.  
>
> I also do better when I'm riding with people that I frequently ride with 
> with out of the Texas clubs, because I know their riding paces and habits, 
> how long they'll take at controls, etc.  In neither 1200K I attempted did I 
> have those people around me save for one rider in California but she was on 
> a recumbent, so it wasn't a great match.  Maybe next time I just need to 
> pay for a rando friend's registration and travel expenses that I know I can 
> get along with, won't quit the ride and will push me to keep going when the 
> going gets hard.
>
>
> Jim
>
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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Don Compton]

I rode noodles for years using Campy Ergo Shifters. On my latest Roadeo, I 
installed a Shimano 6800 group ( with Shimano std reach brakes). The 
brifters are longer and I needed a shorter reach bar. If I had used a 
shorter stem, the tops of the bars of the Noodles would have been useless. 
So, I went with Soma Highway One bars.
On any bike with Campy shifters the Noodles would be perfect for me.

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
> Grant wrote:
>
> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but 
> that's to be expected, I'm sure).
>
>  
>
> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the 
> praise for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be 
> murder for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to 
> search ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand 
> from them. IS there a concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just 
> asking.
>
>  
>
> Olof Stroh
>
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: eBay Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

That is a steal!!

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 6:14:02 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAMBOUILLET-Steel-Touring-Commuter-18-Speed-Bike-Shimano-105-Brooks-Mavic/331996274514?_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39856%26meid%3D01eddf63c7ec4e7ebfb3cc224bc8108d%26pid%3D15%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D172369221158
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet Questions

[Don Compton]

Adam,
Bottom line, what is your saddle height? spindle to top of saddle.

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:08:45 PM UTC-7, adam leibow wrote:
>
> hello !
>
> recently i sold my too-small 56cm a homer hilsen, and have been looking to 
> replace it with something similar, but larger, so that less seatpost shows 
> and it fits a bit more traditionally/rando-y. i contacted a seller on ebay 
> about his 60cm rambo and he agreed to sell to me as a frameset even though 
> his listing was for the complete. before i decide to commit to this bike, 
> can i ask you fellow rambo owners a) what size do you ride? b) what is your 
> pbh? c) how much seatpost is showing? and finally d) do you have the 
> original geometry sheet for this bike? i couldn't find it after a quick 
> google search. also, if you have pictures of your bikes, i would love to 
> see them! 
>
> thank you for your help! it is much appreciated!!
>
> adam 
>

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[RBW] Berthoud Saddles

[Don Compton]

I've been a Rivendell fan for years having owned 4 different bikes. I used 
B-17 saddles for years, but with wear, as the area under my sit bones would 
settle, the hump in the saddle( running for-aft) would cause extreme 
discomfort. I just had to give up on Brooks. I have been using a Secialized 
Phenom for about a year, but it's not so great on longer rides like I 
remember my Brooks in the early years of ownership. Has anyone with issues 
similar to mine switched over to a Berthoud saddle and felt some 
improvement?

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[RBW] Re: How to sell a Rivendell Bike

[Don Compton]

Cecily,
I have read your posts from time to time. I suffer from arthritis. Whatever 
happens with your bike, figure out a way to keep riding. "Quality of Life".
Just a thought

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 7:44:23 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> As many of y'all know, I live in a part of the world where Rivendell bikes 
> aren't widely known. After saving and scrimping for four years to buy my 
> Betty Foy, poor health/chronic illness means I need to sell my Betty Foy 
> for something else - perhaps a Clementine?  My problem is that I really 
> doubt I'll be able to get anywhere near the asking price for a bike that's 
> in darn good shape. 
>
> Do you have any suggestions for how I might make a bike with an $1800-ish 
> asking price more attractive to local buyers? I might go as low as $1500, 
> but that breaks my heart when you consider I paid close to $2500 CAD once 
> all was said and done. 
>
> Thanks,
> Cecily
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bikes should Rivendell keep selling?

[Don Compton]

Patrick,
I live in N. Calif. and stay away from riding in the rain. I never use 
fenders on my Roadeo. So, in that context, my Roadeo has room for some 
fairly large tires, atleast 38c without fenders. It has more room than my 
old Rambouillet.

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:19:42 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I agree with Bill. Heck, on firm dirt and gravel with good tires, 28 mm 
> does wonderfully well, as I can attest with my Compass Elk Passes, which 
> are meant to be 32 mm wide but in fact measure, on my narrower and wider 
> rims, respectively 27 and 29. 32 mm would be practically fat bike velvet. 
> In fact, I'd say that Riv should make the Roadeo even more roadie-like by 
> lightening the tubing.
>
> Can the Hill take 45s and fenders, or 50s without? If not, make it so! 
> Make the smaller models with 650B wheels.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Bill M.  > wrote:
>
>> Sorry, can't agree.  The Roadeo is set up to maximize clearance with a 
>> standard reach caliper.  Stretching it to bigger rubber would mean 
>> different brakes, and basically make it a slightly lighter Hilsen.  Too 
>> much overlap there.  IMO 28 - 33 mm is a sweet spot for a fast, 
>> comfortable, paved road, club-sport-not-quite-a-racing bike.  
>>
>> I've been thinking about having a custom frame built.  Every time I take 
>> a stab at the geometry I'd want, then nudge it back to what can actually be 
>> built without running into clearance problems, I wind up with something 
>> that might as well be a Roadeo.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Don Compton]

Just FYI. I increased my rear tire to 75psi, but I have left my front tire 
at 60psi.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:16:21 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally 
> lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Don Compton]

Fortunately or unfortunately, I have another new Grand Bois 28 Cerf,so it 
will be awhile until I need to purchase new tires. When I finally wear them 
out I am going to buy some Compass 700x32 extra lights. Some complain about 
the price of Grand Bois and Compass tires, but I get my money's worth 
because of their long wear compared to typical expensive race tires.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:16:21 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally 
> lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
>

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[RBW] Re: tire pressures

[Don Compton]

Berto's old method does not take into consideration the benefits of wider 
rims.

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 9:06:17 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Don
>
> 28mm tires at 60psig F & 70psig R supports a TOTAL Weight (rider & bike) 
> of 175 to 180 lb for a 15% Tire Drop (Berto's method) assuming a 45%F and 
> 55%R weight distribution (typical Rando)..
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:16:21 AM UTC-4, Don Compton wrote:
>
>> I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I 
>> finally lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
>> My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Don Compton]

Sorry, it was the Stockton Bike Club.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:00:29 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey Don, was that the Benicia Club ride? I only showed up once, but it was 
> on a Romulus around that time.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Potential Sale of '97 Rivendell Road

[Don Compton]

Eric,
I noticed you have ended your "Camponly" site. I have always enjoyed your 
videos and as a former Campy user, I would like to see where you're going 
next.
Sincerely. Don Compton

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Before I go to the trouble of taking photos, etc., I wonder if anyone out 
> there would be interested in purchasing my 1997 Rivendell Road. It’s in 
> great condition, built with a Campagnolo grippe (but with Silver downtube 
> shifters) and fully ready to ride. Compact double crank, Nitto bars and 
> stem, Brooks saddle. 
>
> The only issue with the bike is the stem, which is stuck in the steerer 
> and needs some convincing to come out.
>
> Contact me offline if you’re interested.
>
> Partial photo of the bike is attached. The Magnic Light headlights will be 
> removed prior to sale.
>
> --Eric N
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>
>
>

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[RBW] tire pressures

[Don Compton]

I have been riding 700x28 Grand Bois Cerfs for years. Yesterday, I finally 
lowered my pressures down to 60f and 70r. Why did I wait so long?
My Roadeo feels like a German car with great shocks.

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Don Compton]

I bought my first Riv ( a blue Ram) around 2005. I am a club rider and 
after years of trying to ride bikes set up for racing and suffering severe 
back pain all those years, a fellow rider had just bought a Romulus bike. 
In a situation where I would try anything, I thought maybe I should take a 
look at Rivendell. Well. long story short. I drove to Walnut Creek, talked 
with G.P. for almost an hour and bought a Ram frameset that day and built 
it up that night and rode it the next day. My riding buddies were a little 
skeptical at first, but after seeing my improvement in riding the 
compliments started coming. 
With my newest Riv, a bright red Roadeo, I never get anything but 
compliments.
The latest trend to high quality, largers has renewed conversations about 
about my bike and Rivendell in general.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 5:44:59 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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[RBW] New chainring for my Roadeo

[Don Compton]

May not be a big deal to a lot of you, but most 11sp systems have an 
unusable  high gear for me. I hate a 50t big ring. I have Ultegra 6800 on 
my Roadeo, but use a Campy 12-29 cassette. TA finally makes a 48t chainring 
for the 6800 crank. I get my old 4 -1 ( 52x13) high gear and all the ones 
in the middle that I love. Thank you TA. 48-34 with a 12-29 11sp cassette 
is perfect ( a triple without the wide tread and shifting issues )

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