Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As if you need it, I’ll give a plus one for a Ram or Romulus. I have had my 
orange Ram for over 15 yrs and it has been on many club rides, centuries, 
short rides, gentle gravel rides, and nowhere rides. It is probably the 
best designed “everything but real dirt” roadish bike Grant’s ever 
designed, at least for me! And don’t be afraid of drop bars!


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:32:59 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

> Jim stated:  " If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the sense 
> in trying to make everyone of them an all rounder".
>
> I really wanted to come here to make that point, but Jim made it better 
> than I can. I wonder if Leah could borrow a club member's bike for a ride 
> or two? Modern road bikes have come a long way in terms of tire clearance 
> with many being able to accept fenders. It might be eye-opening to try a 
> bicycle optimized for purpose in this case.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:42:23 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> I think 38s are great for a 200 pounder like me, but if you weigh 110 
>> like my daughter, they are overkill, and she does fine with 32s or even 
>> 28s. And I gotta admit, I've got 30s on my road bike and they feel good. My 
>> road bike is set up optimally for smooth road riding, I've got other bikes 
>> for rougher stuff. If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the 
>> sense in trying to make everyone of them an all rounder.
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek riv iconoclast
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:22:20 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>>
>>> My orange creamsicle (the fastest color) Ram is currently wearing 38mm 
>>> Schwalbe Marathon Racers. The Racers are mounted on skinny Mavic Open Pro 
>>> rims, but still measure 37.25mm. I would wager, I could mount a pair of 
>>> Schwalbe 40mm tires on the Ram with adequate clearance.
>>>
>>> I ride the Ram and my Custom Rivendell (wearing 40mm tires) on club 
>>> rides, keep up with much younger riders, and highly recommend 38 and 40mm 
>>> tires for road riding. As a matter of fact, my Hubbuhubbuh wears Schwalbe 
>>> Hurricanes which measure 71mm mounted on Velocity Cliffhangers. My wife 
>>> refuses to ride anything but roads and we regularly pass most other bikes 
>>> we encounter.
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:54:03 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
 that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be 
 able 
 to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
 "road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
 purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for 
 road 
 riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
 rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on 
> it. Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 
> 36. 
> With that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to 
> or 
> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>
> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the 
> AHH and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the 
> AHH 
> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the 
> AHH 
> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
> difference at the beginning.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
>> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really 
>> need 
>> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going 
>> to 
>> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom 
>>> should have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with 
>>> PBH's of 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going 
>>> larger is 
>>> better" on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 

[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

ScaD, I don’t know the recommendations but my PBH is 91 and it fit 
perfectly. I also had an older double top tube 58 Sam and it fit about the 
same.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:51:21 AM UTC-5 ScaD wrote:

> That's a great looking bike! Do you happen to know the PBH recommendation 
> for that size, or have a link to the old geo chart? 
>
> I ride an older 58 cm Sam. Wonder if it's similar. 
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 7:27:39 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>
>> The saddle height in the pics is 80cm.
>>
>> Bill, your technical knowledge is way past mine - I'd always assumed the 
>> brake arms were the same and didn't notice any difference in feel. I will 
>> swap them front to back, thanks for the tip! And right now, I'd like to 
>> keep them with the complete bike. If the sale of just the frame frees them 
>> up, I'll get back with you.
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:36:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the market for a set of M900 cantilevers.  Let me know if you 
>>> want me to liberate them
>>>
>>> Also, it looks to me like you have the brakes installed backwards.  The 
>>> M900s were very cleverly designed by Shimano to be slightly different, 
>>> FRONT vs REAR.  The intent was for them to feel the same in your hand.  The 
>>> REAR has a longer run of cable and housing, so would naturally feel 
>>> squishier.  So, they designed the REAR caliper to have a little bit shorter 
>>> arms, and a corresponding slightly lower Mechanical Advantage.  That offset 
>>> the squishiness of the cable and housing run, and the MA demands for a rear 
>>> brake are lower anyway because it's much easier to lock up a rear brake.  
>>> The FRONT had longer arms and a higher MA to complement the stiffer feel 
>>> from a much shorter cable run.  
>>>
>>> You have the longer arms installed in back and the shorter ones in 
>>> front.  At a glance you can tell them apart by the size of the hole in the 
>>> arm.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:24:47 PM UTC-8 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is 
>>>> up for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not 
>>>> sure about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can 
>>>> see 
>>>> from the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
>>>> discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and 
>>>> front rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in 
>>>> between priced accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Component list:
>>>> Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
>>>> Silver shifters
>>>> XTR m900 cantis
>>>> Tektro brake levers
>>>> Noodle 46cm bars
>>>> Generic seat post from Riv
>>>> Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe 
>>>> Marathon Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)
>>>>
>>>> I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to 
>>>> ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p
>>>>
>>>> Send me a PM with any questions!
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi everyone,
Thanks for all the interest. The App is headed to a new home in Colorado.
g

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 7:27:39 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:

> The saddle height in the pics is 80cm.
>
> Bill, your technical knowledge is way past mine - I'd always assumed the 
> brake arms were the same and didn't notice any difference in feel. I will 
> swap them front to back, thanks for the tip! And right now, I'd like to 
> keep them with the complete bike. If the sale of just the frame frees them 
> up, I'll get back with you.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:36:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I'm in the market for a set of M900 cantilevers.  Let me know if you want 
>> me to liberate them
>>
>> Also, it looks to me like you have the brakes installed backwards.  The 
>> M900s were very cleverly designed by Shimano to be slightly different, 
>> FRONT vs REAR.  The intent was for them to feel the same in your hand.  The 
>> REAR has a longer run of cable and housing, so would naturally feel 
>> squishier.  So, they designed the REAR caliper to have a little bit shorter 
>> arms, and a corresponding slightly lower Mechanical Advantage.  That offset 
>> the squishiness of the cable and housing run, and the MA demands for a rear 
>> brake are lower anyway because it's much easier to lock up a rear brake.  
>> The FRONT had longer arms and a higher MA to complement the stiffer feel 
>> from a much shorter cable run.  
>>
>> You have the longer arms installed in back and the shorter ones in 
>> front.  At a glance you can tell them apart by the size of the hole in the 
>> arm.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:24:47 PM UTC-8 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is 
>>> up for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not 
>>> sure about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see 
>>> from the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
>>> discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.
>>>
>>> I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front 
>>> rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between 
>>> priced accordingly.
>>>
>>> Component list:
>>> Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
>>> Silver shifters
>>> XTR m900 cantis
>>> Tektro brake levers
>>> Noodle 46cm bars
>>> Generic seat post from Riv
>>> Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe 
>>> Marathon Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)
>>>
>>> I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to 
>>> ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.
>>>
>>> Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p
>>>
>>> Send me a PM with any questions!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The saddle height in the pics is 80cm.

Bill, your technical knowledge is way past mine - I'd always assumed the 
brake arms were the same and didn't notice any difference in feel. I will 
swap them front to back, thanks for the tip! And right now, I'd like to 
keep them with the complete bike. If the sale of just the frame frees them 
up, I'll get back with you.

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:36:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm in the market for a set of M900 cantilevers.  Let me know if you want 
> me to liberate them
>
> Also, it looks to me like you have the brakes installed backwards.  The 
> M900s were very cleverly designed by Shimano to be slightly different, 
> FRONT vs REAR.  The intent was for them to feel the same in your hand.  The 
> REAR has a longer run of cable and housing, so would naturally feel 
> squishier.  So, they designed the REAR caliper to have a little bit shorter 
> arms, and a corresponding slightly lower Mechanical Advantage.  That offset 
> the squishiness of the cable and housing run, and the MA demands for a rear 
> brake are lower anyway because it's much easier to lock up a rear brake.  
> The FRONT had longer arms and a higher MA to complement the stiffer feel 
> from a much shorter cable run.  
>
> You have the longer arms installed in back and the shorter ones in front.  
> At a glance you can tell them apart by the size of the hole in the arm.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:24:47 PM UTC-8 Gary L wrote:
>
>> I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is up 
>> for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not sure 
>> about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see from 
>> the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
>> discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.
>>
>> I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front 
>> rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between 
>> priced accordingly.
>>
>> Component list:
>> Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
>> Silver shifters
>> XTR m900 cantis
>> Tektro brake levers
>> Noodle 46cm bars
>> Generic seat post from Riv
>> Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe 
>> Marathon Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)
>>
>> I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to 
>> ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.
>>
>> Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p
>>
>> Send me a PM with any questions!
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is up 
for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not sure 
about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see from 
the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.

I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front 
rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between 
priced accordingly.

Component list:
Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
Silver shifters
XTR m900 cantis
Tektro brake levers
Noodle 46cm bars
Generic seat post from Riv
Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe Marathon 
Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)

I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to ship 
if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.

Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p

Send me a PM with any questions!

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[RBW] Re: Campy and Riv

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a campy triple rear derailleur on my Riv Ram and use silver friction 
shifters. It works flawlessly.

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 9:22:18 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> My 2001 Riv Road has Silver 1st gen barend shifters shifting an 80s Super 
> Record derailleur and it works fine; any misshifts are totally attributable 
> to the operator...since derailleurs themselves are not "indexed" I can't 
> see logically why you can't use Silver shifters with the newer (than my SR) 
> Campy Racing-T
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:05:56 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone - 
>>
>> My 93 XO-1 came equipped with campy racing T. Everything is in good 
>> shape, but it has my least favorite ergo shifters. I'm wanting to upgrade 
>> to a thumb shifter or downtube. Does anyone have experience running the riv 
>> silver shifters and campy? 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Steven,

Thanks - the bag is a standard extra large Berthoud bag from Jan Heine’s 
site. It’s about 31cm tall.

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 4:47:40 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Gary, very noce bike, is your bag also custom or a very tall model. How 
> tall is it. Thanks, 
>
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 10:32 AM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill - congrats on a great new addition. I did a similar build last 
>> year but went straight to Mark N (cause I have always wanted a fillet 
>> brazed frame). I asked for a geometry like my orange Ram with light tubing 
>> and clearance for big 650b tires using cantis[image: 
>> 1E3E569E-15E7-4FE2-AD26-B098E772A5B7IMG_1106.jpeg]. It is fantastic in 
>> every way and I'm sure yours will be too.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

[Gary Jacobson]

Given that the seatpost on my usual brevet bike (a BMC monster cross) is
irredeemably fused in place, it may well become my brevet bike if I ever
have to box one for travel.

=Industrial ammonia and time is your friend. That, or give me a saw and
I'll get the seat post out:)

gary

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 7:06 PM Brady Smith  wrote:

> It'd be hard to go wrong with any Riv except maybe the Hillibikes. One of
> my fellow Salt Lake Randonneurs has a Rambouillet that he seems to really
> like. I haven't done any randonneuring on my Roadini, but having just
> finished RAGBRAI on my Roadini, I wouldn't hesitate to ride it for any
> randonneuring distance. Given that the seatpost on my usual brevet bike (a
> BMC monster cross) is irredeemably fused in place, it may well become my
> brevet bike if I ever have to box one for travel.
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:50:34 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Wow - Gary it’s perfect!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 3:47 PM, Gary Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Toyo 56 Atlantis. 650 b fenders over 1.75 tires. Ritchey Logic triple.
>> Sachs Qartzrd and fd. Early Son front, White Industry rear hub.
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:46:04 AM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a great setup, Bryan!
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:10 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>
>>> And mine:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:03:31 AM UTC-4 bryan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is my Toyo Atlantis that I've got set up for my rando
>>>> events/longer road rides. It's wonderful. Clears 42s with fenders and I
>>>> could probably go a little bigger if I wanted but it's plenty. Super comfy
>>>> for a long day in the saddle, while remaining relatively light, though I
>>>> don't care much about weight. Just switched out the wheelset for
>>>> tubeless/dynamo so now I'm really good to go.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Toshi,
>>>>>  No braze ons for the current run of Roadini’s but the wider tires
>>>>> would certainly sweeten the ride. Some great ideas on setting up the bags.
>>>>> I will have to try food up front and everything else in the back.
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 3:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on
>>>>>> carbon fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> have a much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably
>>>>>> better (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I
>>>>>> were considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> it balances speed and comfort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I
>>>>>> had no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have
>>>>>> any handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't 
>>>>>> "front
>>>>>> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food
>>>>>> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into
>>>>>> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is
>>>>>> not necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Stark NAKED Platypus!!!

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks great Steve! Can't wait to see it on the road (all kinds!).


On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:30:46 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Congrats Steve! Can’t wait to see how you put it all together!
>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> It arrived earlier today from Austin, still wrapped up in the original RBW 
> shipping box, purchased by the PO from last November's batch but never 
> unpacked (thank you Leah for the tip).
>
> I'm planning to build it up as a road-ish  cruiser, probably 38 to 44mm 
> slicks, definitely with fenders. A Billie bar is on the way from Walnut 
> Creek. I'll also be fitting it with a 3x8 drivetrain because I already own 
> it, but am thinking about an eventual compact wide range double.
>
> This is my first Rivendell build. For those of you experienced with the 
> Platy, or any of its kin, how would you do the  build? I'd enjoy  hearing 
> any thoughts, opinions, or words of  wisdom.
>
> Steve 
>
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[RBW] Asheville Riv Rendesvous Recap

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just a quick recap from our fantastic Riv weekend in Asheville.

It was a blast. Almost 25 riders from Indiana to FL, including 10 local 
folks. Everyone was great and the bikes were, as you can imagine, almost 
all rivs, but we did let in a bridgestone :).  A Hunq, 5 Appaloosas, a 
couple of Atlanti, 3 or 4 gorgeous customs, the famous Betty Foy ridden 
72.000 miles by Pam (yes 72K!), a purple Rosco Platypus, a pumpkin 
platypus, a couple of Sams, and two Salukis, a Gus, and probably some more 
that I'm forgetting.

Some highlights:
The River Arts District greenway ride followed by beer and dinner at New 
Belgium Brewing, where our bikes took up and spilled over the entire bike 
rack system.

Our Bent Creek Gravel rides - three groups had a splendid day with not too 
hot temps, no rain, and perfect fire roads.

Two friendly bears who realized they were in the poster and better make an 
appearance.

Our bike parts garage sale, where everyone realized that we were all trying 
to get rid of lots of tires, stems, handlebars, bags, etc. that everyone 
else there already had. We all have a bike parts hoarding problem.

Beer and dinner at The Wedge brewery Saturday night.

The fabulous poster from Brian.

All of the fun people that came together with amazing bikes, great 
personalities, and brought all of their fun to the weekend.

Enthusiastic agreement that we should do it all again, maybe in during a 
fall or spring timeframe.

And thanks to a very gracious offer from Leah, she put our pics and videos 
together into one of her great videos - THANK YOU, LEAH!  A link to her 
video is below if you'd like to watch it.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xG1CvrSGHQ6um

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[RBW] Re: posters for Asheville Riv weekend

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

And for those of you that weren’t there, the posters are gorgeous.  And 
accurate - Some bears actually joined some of us during the weekend :)

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 9:31:24 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Hi everyone! There's still a dozen or so commemorative posters left from 
> our Rivendell owners meet-up in Asheville this past weekend. If you would 
> like to purchase one, you can do so directly via the link below:
>
>
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/1506233644/rivendell-owners-meetup-asheville-art?click_key=71d5b36ccbdf34afff4d4bc8adbbbab7e4d12242%3A1506233644_sum=5861b03c=shop_home_active_1
>
> If you were in attendance and failed to get one from me, just shoot me and 
> email and we'll figure out a way to get one to you.
>
> These are 4-color screen prints, 16" x 20", signed and numbered in a 
> limited edition of 40 on Cougar Natural 100# cover stock. Designed and 
> hand-printed by yours truly. Thanks! - Brian
>
> [image: IMG_5729.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry to miss you next weekend Dick, but I'll let Brian know you'd like to 
be on the list for one of his posters (which are so great!).

If anyone else is interested in a poster (see details in my last post) pls 
let me know asap so I can give Brian a heads up on how many to print.
Gary

On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 2:30:43 PM UTC-4 Dick Pahle wrote:

> I can't make the ride that wkend but I'd sure like one of those posters 
> (nicely done, Brian!!). 
>
> Dick
> Brevard, NC
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi from Asheville!
>>
>> Looks like we're going to have a fun turnout for our Riv get together 
>> July 7-9. We are going to be finalizing plans next week and will get the 
>> details out to everyone, but until then here is an awesome poster that one 
>> of our participants, Brian Turner came up with (Thank you Brian!!!). He 
>> runs a graphic design and printing company and is offering to print up 
>> posters for anyone coming to the gathering who may want one. He estimates 
>> that they will cost about $20-25 and if you're interested please let me 
>> know asap so I can let him know.
>>
>> Also, if anyone wants more info about the weekend now that you've been 
>> tempted by Brian's amazing work, please contact me.
>> [image: Unknown-1.jpeg]
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:52:25 PM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
>>
>>> Gary, did you say there's an extra 55cm Cheviot lying around here in 
>>> Asheville? I could maybe help with that . . . 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:19:20 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leah,
>>>>
>>>> What a great offer - it would be an honor to have a video made by you! 
>>>>  But better yet, why don’t you come join us? I know of an extra 55cm 
>>>> Cheviot lying around here in Asheville :)
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dick, sorry you won't be able to make it that weekend. 
>>>>>
>>>>> "40 mm Little Big Ben's...Could I do those Bent Creek area forest 
>>>>> roads on that bike?" 
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely!!!Come on up from Brevard and give it a go!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:03 PM Dick Pahle  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to joining 
>>>>>> in. Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for sure I can't 
>>>>>> make it. Ratz!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on 
>>>>>> roads and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on 
>>>>>> that bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a 
>>>>>> regular basis some other time, if ok to join ya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss 
>>>>>> Pam,  a good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a 
>>>>>>> May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest 
>>>>>>> in a 
>>>>>>> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
>>>>>>> there's 
>>>>>>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah,

What a great offer - it would be an honor to have a video made by you!  But 
better yet, why don’t you come join us? I know of an extra 55cm Cheviot 
lying around here in Asheville :)

Gary

On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dick, sorry you won't be able to make it that weekend. 
>
> "40 mm Little Big Ben's...Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on 
> that bike?" 
>
> Absolutely!!!Come on up from Brevard and give it a go!
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:03 PM Dick Pahle  wrote:
>
>> I've been following this for a while hoping I could commit to joining in. 
>> Knew that week in July was problematic and now know for sure I can't make 
>> it. Ratz!!
>>
>> I'm in Brevard and ride a Homer with 40 mm Little Big Ben's. 90 % on 
>> roads and paved trails. Could I do those Bent Creek area forest roads on 
>> that bike? If so, I may try and join those of you who ride there on a 
>> regular basis some other time, if ok to join ya.
>>
>> Sorry I'll miss meeting/riding with all of you and sorry to miss Pam,  a 
>> good friend and my Cycling Savvy instructor from Charlotte. 
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a May 
>>> date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in a 
>>> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's 
>>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for 
>>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>>> Gary
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great write up Steve! You did a fantastic job describing the really nice 
riding there and the pictures prove it :). If anyone else gets inspired to 
join us on July 7-9 please let me know via PM and I’ll add you to our list. 
Right now we are at about 20-ish participants, some coming from as far as 
Florida, Georgia, Indiana, and New Jersey. Looking forward to it!

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:05:22 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Brian.  Joel laid out the draft routes with RWGPS - I believe his 
> intention is to share them in that format prior to the gathering. For any 
> analog navigators I'd be glad to work up a cue sheet (if anyone would like 
> a printed cue sheet make a request on this thread and I'll post it as an 
> attachment).  
> We're also planning on providing a lead and a sweep.. 
>
> Stay tuned for more info as the gathering approaches. Our local planning 
> group will be meeting in the near future to finalize things.
>
> Hope to see you in Asheville, Steve
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:19:35 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is excellent, Steve (and, nice Outback too!). Photos look amazing! 
>> Will you be able to make these routes for the weekend available for those 
>> of us also using RWGPS?
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had an opportunity this past weekend to pedal the planned Bent Creek 
>>> gravel route for the upcoming Asheville Riv Ride. For those of you hoping 
>>> to attend the gathering who might enjoy hearing a bit about the route, read 
>>> on.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll start with a teaser; I’ve been riding the forest service roads in 
>>> Western North Carolina for a number of years and Bent Creek offers some of 
>>> the very best. As a bonus, the course that Joel Osgood laid out for us is 
>>> at least 85% shaded or in dappled shade, perfect for a mid summer ride in 
>>> the mountains. It includes a few hundred feet of pavement but is otherwise 
>>> all hard pack gravel - what fast riders like to call “hero gravel”.  I did 
>>> note  two short downhill runs showing a bit of erosion with a few exposed 
>>> baby heads, forcing me to pay attention to my line.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you’re ambivalent about the whole gravel thing, the course starts 
>>> with an easy 6.9 mi loop with a moderate 649 ft of climbing. If that whets 
>>> your appetite, the first loop flows into a second one with a slightly more 
>>> challenging climb, bringing the total mileage  to 14.1 for 1,176’ of 
>>> elevation gain. The final, and most formidable leg, makes for a healthy 23 
>>> mile ride with 2,133’ of climbing. Never forget the pedaling in the 
>>> mountains mantra: what goes up gets to come down! 
>>>
>>>
>>> (These numbers are based on Ride With GPS - my probably less accurate 
>>> Garmin watch clocked it at 20.55 miles and 2610’ - a healthy ride anyway 
>>> you cut it.)
>>>
>>>
>>> The full course took me 3 hours of ride time with another 30 minutes for 
>>> resting taking pictures and nibbling snacks. At 71years old I’m no 
>>> spring chicken, so factor that in. I rode on 700c x 40mm shallow knobbed 
>>> tires at 27psi (Conti Terra Speeds). My trusty climbing gear is 36 x 51 for 
>>> 19.6 gear inches and I gave it plenty of use. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Elevation Profile for the full route and a few pics showing the various 
>>> road surfaces (and one gratuitous glamour shot - forgive me):
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: BCRivRideElevProfile.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: HardTimes.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: BoydConnector.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: LedfordBranch.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: SouthRidgeDescent.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: BentCreekRd.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: GlamourPic.jpeg]
>>> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:43:33 AM UTC-4 Carl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Thank you Gary for the update on the July 7-9 meet-up in Asheville! 
>>>>
>>>> As Gary said, we're planning a swap meet. We'll choose the location for 
>>>> that based on how many want to participate and how much stuff you want to 
>>>> bring. Could you let me know if you plan to do the swap meet and a 
>>>> ballpark 
>>>> idea of how much stuff you might bring?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and looking forward to seeing everyone in July, -- Carl
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi from Asheville!

I just wanted to send a quick update about our Riv gathering July 7-9.  You 
can see our planned activities below.

Right now we’ve got 20 folks that have indicated that they are planning to 
attend, and 6 that are maybe’s. Here’s the “yes” list I’ve got:

*Yes (traveling to Asheville):*

Brian plus 2 - Lexington, KY
Jason - Indiana
Laing - FL
Pam - Charlotte, NC
Frank - Richmond, VA
Ken - VA
Drew plus 1 - Atlanta, GA
Eric - Indianapolis, IN


*From Asheville:*

Joel and Heather
Theresa and Gary
Ellen
Carl
Nic
Steve
Robert

Please let me know if I’ve missed anyone - and also let me know if you’d 
like to attend but haven’t yet responded.

Some folks have arranged campground reservations (right at Bent Creek where 
our Saturday morning ride will be) here:  
https://adventurepisgah.com/lake-powhatan.  There are also tons of hotel 
and VRBO options in Asheville but the summer gets very busy so book early.

And a big thanks to the “Planning Committee” members - Carl, Nic, Joel, 
Robert, Steve, and Ellen!  They are working on route details (map and GPS), 
food and drink venues, a pavilion for the swap meet, and possibly (fingers 
crossed) some ride swag (hat and/or a bandana).

It should be a really fun weekend and we are looking forward to meeting 
everyone, riding, and geeking out on all things Riv!

Gary

*Schedule for July 7-9:*

*July 7* - Afternoon ride on Greenway (mostly paved with maybe a short 
gravel section - very easy) followed by dinner/beer at one of the local 
places (All Souls, New Belgium, White Duck Taco, Smokey Park, etc) all near 
the Greenway with outdoor seating. 

*July 8* - Morning ride at Bent Creek Forest near the NC Arboretum with two 
options (all nontechnical gravel fire roads - an easier, shorter one and a 
longer one that ideally could be done in a figure 8 so everyone stays 
together for the first, easier part. Parking either at the Arboretum or by 
the river (for those that don’t want to pay for Arboretum parking)

   Afternoon short ride in conjunction with a swap meet, possibly 
at Carrier Park near the Greenway (paved) under one of their pavilions (or 
another similar location near the greenway). Other ideas are welcomed!

   Dinner somewhere local (same possible options as for Friday)

*July 9* - Morning ride near downtown (all paved very quiet neighborhood 
roads) around Montford, Sunset, etc. with optional lunch afterwards

*Please let me know *if you’d like to continue to get info about this, and 
if you’re planning to attend. That will help us with planning and food 
options...




On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:29:47 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brokebike - You done good - it's a beautiful campground. My wife and I 
> have been saying for years that if we didn't live only 10 miles from 
> Powhatan it would be our favorite camping destination.
>
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:18:02 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I got a campsite reserved at Lake Powhatan for the Ky contingent. Looks 
>> like a sweet spot! Thanks for all the information and organization! Looking 
>> forward to this!
>>
>> On May 17, 2023, at 6:10 PM, 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Laing,
>>
>> Bent Creek fire roads are gravel, but not too rough. Greenway is almost 
>> all paved except for a short gravel portion that we may or may not do. 
>> Neighborhood ride is all paved. Your custom with 650b x 48 would be perfect 
>> (and I'd like to see it!).
>> gary
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:55:58 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Hostel booked. Need to decide on which Riv (or Rivs). Is it all paved 
>>> and/or gravel? If so, I am thinking the Riv Custom with 650Bx48 Switchback 
>>> Hills would be the choice, so I need to quit dithering on the 90 vs. 100 
>>> stem and finally tape the handlebars.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 12:39:22 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> We had a fun meeting yesterday with our local Riv riders and sketched 
>>>> out a few more details about the upcoming Rivendell (unofficial) Meet up 
>>>> this July. Here's what we've got so far:
>>>>
>>>> *Schedule for July 7-9:*
>>>>
>>>> *July 7* - Afternoon ride on Greenway followed by dinner/beer at one 
>>>> of the local places (All Souls, New Belgium, White Duck Taco, Smokey Park, 
>>>> etc). 
>>>>
>>>> *July 8* - Morning ride at Bent Creek with two options - an easier, 
>>>> shorter one and a longer one that ideally could be done in a figure 8 so 
>>>> everyone stays together for the first, easier part. Parking eith

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Laing,
Bent Creek fire roads are gravel, but not too rough. Greenway is almost all 
paved except for a short gravel portion that we may or may not do. 
Neighborhood ride is all paved. Your custom with 650b x 48 would be perfect 
(and I'd like to see it!).
gary

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:55:58 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Hostel booked. Need to decide on which Riv (or Rivs). Is it all paved 
> and/or gravel? If so, I am thinking the Riv Custom with 650Bx48 Switchback 
> Hills would be the choice, so I need to quit dithering on the 90 vs. 100 
> stem and finally tape the handlebars.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 12:39:22 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> We had a fun meeting yesterday with our local Riv riders and sketched 
>> out a few more details about the upcoming Rivendell (unofficial) Meet up 
>> this July. Here's what we've got so far:
>>
>> *Schedule for July 7-9:*
>>
>> *July 7* - Afternoon ride on Greenway followed by dinner/beer at one of 
>> the local places (All Souls, New Belgium, White Duck Taco, Smokey Park, 
>> etc). 
>>
>> *July 8* - Morning ride at Bent Creek with two options - an easier, 
>> shorter one and a longer one that ideally could be done in a figure 8 so 
>> everyone stays together for the first, easier part. Parking either at the 
>> Arboretum or by the river (for those that don’t want to pay for Arboretum 
>> parking)
>>
>>Afternoon short ride in conjunction with a swap meet, possibly 
>> at Carrier Park under one of their pavilions (or another similar location 
>> near the greenway). 
>>
>>Dinner somewhere local (same possible options as for Friday)
>>
>> *July 9* - Morning ride around Montford, Sunset, etc. with optional 
>> lunch afterwards
>>
>>
>> *Please let me know *if you’d like to continue to get info about this, 
>> and if you’re planning to attend. That will help us with planning and food 
>> options!  You can PM me with any interest or questions!
>>
>> Gary 
>>
>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 5:50:54 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pam,
>>> Yes, July 7-9 is the weekend we are aiming for. Some of the asheville 
>>> folks will be getting together next week to nail down some more details 
>>> which we’ll post here. We’d talked about an easy gravel ride, a harder 
>>> gravel option, a greenway ride, a quiet neighborhood ride, and lots of 
>>> opportunities for craft beer stops and socializing. You’d also mentioned a 
>>> possible “swap meet” and I think that is a great idea. Keep your eyes 
>>> peeled here for more details to come sometime next week!
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:10:27 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Pam! Gary had posted earlier in this thread about making July 7-9 
>>>> the weekend for this get-together. I think it's still in the planning 
>>>> stages, but those were the dates discussed.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:29:17 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What are the dates?  I thought I'd seen June 7.  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 11:05:16 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey All, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A (Bridgestone riding) friend and I will likely be making the trek up 
>>>>>> from Atlanta for this! Excited to see all the bikes and meet everyone. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:36:02 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curious to be in the loop as well.  I'm in Asheville but just unsure 
>>>>>>> if I'll be able to make the dates.  If I can, I will!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>>>>> Thanks for letting us know you might be interested in the Asheville 
>>>>>>>> weekend ride in July. I'll be starting to actually plan stuff in a 
>>>>>>>> couple 
>>>>>>>> of weeks with some other local Riv owners  and will definitely keep 
>>>>>>>> you in 
>>>>>>>> the loop.
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Everyone,

We had a fun meeting yesterday with our local Riv riders and sketched out a 
few more details about the upcoming Rivendell (unofficial) Meet up this 
July. Here's what we've got so far:

*Schedule for July 7-9:*

*July 7* - Afternoon ride on Greenway followed by dinner/beer at one of the 
local places (All Souls, New Belgium, White Duck Taco, Smokey Park, etc). 

*July 8* - Morning ride at Bent Creek with two options - an easier, shorter 
one and a longer one that ideally could be done in a figure 8 so everyone 
stays together for the first, easier part. Parking either at the Arboretum 
or by the river (for those that don’t want to pay for Arboretum parking)

   Afternoon short ride in conjunction with a swap meet, possibly 
at Carrier Park under one of their pavilions (or another similar location 
near the greenway). 

   Dinner somewhere local (same possible options as for Friday)

*July 9* - Morning ride around Montford, Sunset, etc. with optional lunch 
afterwards


*Please let me know *if you’d like to continue to get info about this, and 
if you’re planning to attend. That will help us with planning and food 
options!  You can PM me with any interest or questions!

Gary 

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 5:50:54 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Pam,
> Yes, July 7-9 is the weekend we are aiming for. Some of the asheville 
> folks will be getting together next week to nail down some more details 
> which we’ll post here. We’d talked about an easy gravel ride, a harder 
> gravel option, a greenway ride, a quiet neighborhood ride, and lots of 
> opportunities for craft beer stops and socializing. You’d also mentioned a 
> possible “swap meet” and I think that is a great idea. Keep your eyes 
> peeled here for more details to come sometime next week!
> Gary
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:10:27 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Pam! Gary had posted earlier in this thread about making July 7-9 the 
>> weekend for this get-together. I think it's still in the planning stages, 
>> but those were the dates discussed.
>>
>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:29:17 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> What are the dates?  I thought I'd seen June 7.  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 11:05:16 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey All, 
>>>>
>>>> A (Bridgestone riding) friend and I will likely be making the trek up 
>>>> from Atlanta for this! Excited to see all the bikes and meet everyone. 
>>>>
>>>> - Drew
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:36:02 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Curious to be in the loop as well.  I'm in Asheville but just unsure 
>>>>> if I'll be able to make the dates.  If I can, I will!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>>> Thanks for letting us know you might be interested in the Asheville 
>>>>>> weekend ride in July. I'll be starting to actually plan stuff in a 
>>>>>> couple 
>>>>>> of weeks with some other local Riv owners  and will definitely keep you 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> the loop.
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to know more about Asheville area routes, once you 
>>>>>>> folks do this.  I was down there at the beginning of April for a couple 
>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>> days and definitely need to go back.  (I just wish it wasn't such a 
>>>>>>> looong drive from northern NJ.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am 
>>>>>>>> looking at my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip 
>>>>>>>> for me. 
>>>>>>>> I will be traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> effort to get this going!
>>>>>>>> -Frank 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Pam,
Yes, July 7-9 is the weekend we are aiming for. Some of the asheville folks 
will be getting together next week to nail down some more details which 
we’ll post here. We’d talked about an easy gravel ride, a harder gravel 
option, a greenway ride, a quiet neighborhood ride, and lots of 
opportunities for craft beer stops and socializing. You’d also mentioned a 
possible “swap meet” and I think that is a great idea. Keep your eyes 
peeled here for more details to come sometime next week!
Gary

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:10:27 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Pam! Gary had posted earlier in this thread about making July 7-9 the 
> weekend for this get-together. I think it's still in the planning stages, 
> but those were the dates discussed.
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:29:17 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> What are the dates?  I thought I'd seen June 7.  
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 11:05:16 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All, 
>>>
>>> A (Bridgestone riding) friend and I will likely be making the trek up 
>>> from Atlanta for this! Excited to see all the bikes and meet everyone. 
>>>
>>> - Drew
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 10:36:02 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>>
>>>> Curious to be in the loop as well.  I'm in Asheville but just unsure if 
>>>> I'll be able to make the dates.  If I can, I will!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 6:55:58 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>> Thanks for letting us know you might be interested in the Asheville 
>>>>> weekend ride in July. I'll be starting to actually plan stuff in a couple 
>>>>> of weeks with some other local Riv owners  and will definitely keep you 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> the loop.
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would love to know more about Asheville area routes, once you folks 
>>>>>> do this.  I was down there at the beginning of April for a couple of 
>>>>>> days 
>>>>>> and definitely need to go back.  (I just wish it wasn't such a 
>>>>>> looong 
>>>>>> drive from northern NJ.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am 
>>>>>>> looking at my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip for 
>>>>>>> me. 
>>>>>>> I will be traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> effort to get this going!
>>>>>>> -Frank 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
>>>>>>>> certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything 
>>>>>>>> down 
>>>>>>>> yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel 
>>>>>>>> fire 
>>>>>>>> roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in 
>>>>>>>> pre 
>>>>>>>> and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a 
>>>>>>>> swap/sale/trade 
>>>>>>>> opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
>>>>>>>> about bringing to make it more interesting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options 
>>>>>>>>> are we thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see 
>>>>>>>>> all 
>>>>>>>>> the bikes and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way 
>>>>>>>>> and some 
>>>>>>>>> time at the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to 
>>>>>>>>> bring 
>

[RBW] Re: WTB - 51 or 55cm Cheviot

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Joyce, thanks for the tip about the Portland cheviot. No luck contacting 
them, tho. 

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 7:43:18 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Gary, 
> There's a Cheviot on the Portland, Oregon Craigslist, though it's listed 
> as small/medium rather than a specific measurement.
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/lake-oswego-rivendell-cheviot-bicycle/7603619142.html
>
> Joyce
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 4:05:30 PM UTC-7 Gary L wrote:
>
>> A friend is looking for a Cheviot (51 or 55). Let me know if anyone is 
>> looking to find a new home for theirs.
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB - 51 or 55cm Cheviot

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A friend is looking for a Cheviot (51 or 55). Let me know if anyone is 
looking to find a new home for theirs.
Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi James,
Thanks for letting us know you might be interested in the Asheville weekend 
ride in July. I'll be starting to actually plan stuff in a couple of weeks 
with some other local Riv owners  and will definitely keep you in the loop.
Gary

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I would love to know more about Asheville area routes, once you folks do 
> this.  I was down there at the beginning of April for a couple of days and 
> definitely need to go back.  (I just wish it wasn't such a looong drive 
> from northern NJ.)
>
> James
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-4 frank.b...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all - I have been quietly tracking this conversation and am looking at 
>> my work & life calendars to see if it is a feasible trip for me. I will be 
>> traveling from Richmond, VA and appreciate all the thinking and effort to 
>> get this going!
>> -Frank 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 9:48:02 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
>>> certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything down 
>>> yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel fire 
>>> roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
>>> and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
>>> opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
>>> about bringing to make it more interesting.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are we 
>>>> thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the 
>>>> bikes 
>>>> and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some time at 
>>>> the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to bring stuff to 
>>>> swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear such as 
>>>> favorite bags, tents, accoutrements....?  Let me know how I can help.  Let 
>>>> me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on the 
>>>> way there or back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a 
>>>>> few other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi from Asheville,
>>>>>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv 
>>>>>> riders and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting 
>>>>>> me 
>>>>>> know) that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work 
>>>>>> for them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet 
>>>>>> up. 
>>>>>> If anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to 
>>>>>> answer any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work 
>>>>>>> better for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I 
>>>>>>> am 
>>>>>>> freed up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can 
>>>>>>> materialize for these new dates!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the 
>>>>>>>> July/Sept dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to 
>>>>>>>> join.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2

[RBW] Re: Long shot: Trade 50 Rosco Platy for 52 Clem L

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Taylor, just sent you a PM.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:03:23 AM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This is a long shot, but it's worth a try! 
>
> I have a 50cm Rosco Platy in Rosco Green, standard Riv build + Paul Love 
> levers that I've been using for paved bike rides with my little one. It's 
> in excellent condition save a few scuffs on the seatpost, and is a great 
> bike. My kid is getting bigger though (as children invariably do), so I'm 
> looking to get a stouter bike. The Clem L checks all the boxes.
>
> Anyone out there looking for a 50cm Rosco Platy or has a Clem L they would 
> like to trade for a Rosco Platy? I'm in MA, so a local buy / trade would be 
> easiest, but I'm willing to ship. If you have a 52 Clem L in good shape 
> (and preferably in a shade of green) and are looking to trade or are 
> seriously interested in a Rosco Platy, please contact me off list, and we 
> can discuss the price differential, shipping, etc.
>
> The long shot aspect of this is that the deal would need to be worked out 
> before this Friday (4/21) when the Clem Ls go on sale.
>
> Here's a photo of the Rosco Platy. Happy to share more upon request. 
> Saddle, bottle cage, pedals, and the Homer ;) not included.
>
> Thanks!
>
> [image: IMG_5388.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Pam! So glad you’re interested and hope you can make it. We will 
certainly have lots of options ride-wise but haven’t nailed anything down 
yet. Certainly lots of road and greenway options. Some of the gravel fire 
roads are pretty mellow too. And we’ll definitely have time built in pre 
and post ride for socializing, and I love your idea of a swap/sale/trade 
opportunity. Maybe we could even let folks post what they are thinking 
about bringing to make it more interesting.

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm going to try to come.  I'd like roads.  What mileage options are we 
> thinking about?  Obviously I would like plenty of time to see all the bikes 
> and meet all the owners so plenty of stops along the way and some time at 
> the beginning and end of the rides would be great.  Want to bring stuff to 
> swap/sell/trade?  Want to have anything else like seeing gear such as 
> favorite bags, tents, accoutrements?  Let me know how I can help.  Let 
> me know if anyone wants to carpool from Charlotte or stop through on the 
> way there or back.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:46:14 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gary! I’m definitely free then. I’ll see if I can round up a few 
>> other Riv riders here in Kentucky!
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Jason D  wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Gary! This sounds like an awesome time.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi from Asheville,
>>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders 
>>> and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) 
>>> that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for 
>>> them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If 
>>> anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer 
>>> any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better 
>>>> for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed 
>>>> up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize 
>>>> for 
>>>> these new dates!
>>>>
>>>> -Brian
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
>>>>> dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend 
>>>>>> of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be 
>>>>>> free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi George,
>>>>>>> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
>>>>>>> Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike 
>>>>>>> path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
>>>>>>> Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
>>>>>>> during or after the rides.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going 
>>>>>>>> over to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just 
>>>>>>>> curious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
>>>>>>>>> before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>&g

[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Drew,
Saw your post about a Southeastern ride - we've been talking on the forum 
about a Riv weekend in asheville July 7-9. Let me know if you're interested 
and we'll keep you posted on planning as it gets more dialed in.
Gary

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:49:18 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Been mulling it over too Eric, but the drive up from Atlanta... little bit 
> spicy! 
>
> Maybe some of us in this neck of the woods can put together some sort of 
> Sou'Easter event that's similar? 
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:18:04 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm giving attendance some serious consideration and if I come up, I'll 
>> do the ATB route. 
>>
>> Scott — I think the road route for the 2023 Fling is considered the 
>> bailout option. 
>>
>> More on the routes here from the 2022 edition, which follows the same 
>> routes: 
>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2022/04/03/2022-nutmeg-country-spring-fling/
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 
>>> miles, wondering if there are any bailouts?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
>>>> route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
>>>> to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I love 
>>>> that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Max,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will 
>>>>> attempt the ATB route. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam 
>>>>> Hillborne back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
>>>>>> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa 
>>>>>> on 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed 
>>>>>> Bombadil on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Details here: 
>>>>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks 
>>>>>> from the group in person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max 
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy for sale

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Steve,
I sent you a couple of PMs about your Betty. Not sure if you’ve sold it yet 
or not!

On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:37:32 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I love mine.  If anyone has any questions or needs a test ride, please 
> tell them to come to Charlotte.  I have a 55 Cheviot which is basically the 
> same.  As well as a 47, 50 Betty and a 60 Cheviot.  So the rider can see 
> many sizes for fit.
>
> I can't tell you how much I love my Betty.  Over 71,000 miles worth.  And 
> still riding it daily.
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 7:56:28 AM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Had mine for a long time - this is a steal. Good luck with the sale!
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:37:49 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> My wife loves hers as well. Looks like a very nicely kept bike at a 
>>> superb price! This shouldn’t last long. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-6 Steve Cole wrote:
>>>
 I'm selling my wife's Betty Foy.  She was the second owner.  As you 
 will see from the attached photos, it was very rarely ridden.  It is in 
 near perfect condition; the only blemishes are small scratches on the 
 left-side chain stay (see photo).  There are several upgrades to this 
 bike: 
  fenders, dynamo and lights, saddle, seat post, stem, handlebars, rack, 
 etc. It's a very wonderful bike.  Photos attached (more upon request). 
  Here are the specs (more details on request):

- Seat Tube/Frame Size: 55 cm
- Drive Train:
   - Rear Derailleur —  Shimano Deore
   - Front Derailleur — Shimano (I think it’s a 105, but am not 
   sure)
   - Crankset — Sugino w/ 40 & 26 chainrings.  Pants protector in 
   3rd spot.
   - Shifter — Shimano Deore XT trigger Shifter
- Brakeset — Tektro R559 long reach, Shimano Levers
- Cables/Housing — Velo Orange/Velo Orange Metal Braid Housing
- Handlebars — Velo Orange Curvy; Grips — Miesha's Cork Grips
- Stem — Nitto Technomic; Seat Post — Nitto S83
- Saddle — Brooks B67
- Wheel: Rear Hub — Shimano; Front Hub — Shutter Precision PD-8X 
Dynamo
   - Rims — Velocity Synergy 650B; Tires — Rene Herse  Loup Loup 
   Pass 
- Lights: Front — Busch & Mueller Eyc N Plus; Rear — Topflight Mini 
Plus
- Fenders — Velo Orange Snakeskin
- Rear Rack — Nitto Big Back Rack — Medium 32R
- Peddles — VP Alloy (excellent bearings)
- Kickstand

 We are asking $2,200 if you want the saddle and the rack.  Otherwise, 
 the we are asking $2,000 without these.  Reasonable offers will be 
 considered.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Laing,
We've not solidified ANY details yet, but I'd guess about 50/50 road/gravel 
fire roads. There are also lots of single track options that we could map 
out if anyone is interested in that. We will probably also map out shorter 
and longer options for each day.
g

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 9:50:31 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Great. I guess we have a couple of months to nail down the details.
> Is this going to be more roadish or more off-roadish / gravel? I just want 
> to make sure that I have the correct bicycle(s) assembled.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi from Asheville,
>> Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders 
>> and 3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) 
>> that have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for 
>> them, so let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If 
>> anyone else would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer 
>> any questions if you're iffy or want more info.
>> Cheers, 
>> Gary
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better 
>>> for me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed 
>>> up after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize for 
>>> these new dates!
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
>>>> dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend 
>>>>> of May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be 
>>>>> free that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> more people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi George,
>>>>>> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
>>>>>> Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike 
>>>>>> path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
>>>>>> Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
>>>>>> during or after the rides.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going 
>>>>>>> over to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just 
>>>>>>> curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
>>>>>>>> before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laing
>>>>>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but 
>>>>>>>>> a May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any 
>>>>>>>>> interest in 
>>>>>>>>> a meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
>>>>>>>>> there's 
>>>>>>>>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
>>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi from Asheville,
Wanted to let folks know that we've currently got 5-8 local Riv riders and 
3+ (thanks Laing, Brian, Jason, and maybe George for letting me know) that 
have said they'd be able to make the weekend of July 7-9 work for them, so 
let's make that the official date for our Asheville meet up. If anyone else 
would like to join us please let me know! Also happy to answer any 
questions if you're iffy or want more info.
Cheers, 
Gary

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:56:46 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification, Gary! Those potential dates work better for 
> me, personally. I have no plans for the month of July, and I am freed up 
> after Sept. 10th for some bike fun. Hoping something can materialize for 
> these new dates!
>
> -Brian
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 11:41:18 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept 
>> dates were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend of 
>>> May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be free 
>>> that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better for more 
>>> people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi George,
>>>> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at 
>>>> Bent Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike 
>>>> path, and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North 
>>>> Asheville. With plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food 
>>>> during or after the rides.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going over 
>>>>> to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
>>>>>> before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laing
>>>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a 
>>>>>>> May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest 
>>>>>>> in a 
>>>>>>> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If 
>>>>>>> there's 
>>>>>>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's correct - the May 12-14 date didn't work out so the July/Sept dates 
were thrown out to see if more folks would be able to join.

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> So, just to get this straight... did the previously proposed weekend of 
> May 12-14th not work well enough for everyone? I was not going to be free 
> that weekend, but if it's looking like a July date might be better for more 
> people, then I may just be able to make that happen.
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi George,
>> Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at Bent 
>> Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike path, 
>> and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North Asheville. With 
>> plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food during or after the 
>> rides.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going over 
>>> to ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just curious.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend 
>>>> before thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a 
>>>>> May date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's 
>>>>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for 
>>>>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi George,
Probably not going into TN. We were talking about riding locally at Bent 
Creek and the WNC Arboretum, possibly the River Arts District bike path, 
and maybe a low traffic road ride around Montford and North Asheville. With 
plenty of opportunities for brewery refreshments/food during or after the 
rides.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> When you all call for a Riv ride "in" Asheville do you mean going over to 
> ride the loop at Cades Cove in Tennessee by any chance?  Just curious.
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:07:20 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I will be in North Carolina from July 1 thru July 9 - The weekend before 
>> thru the weekend after July 4. That would be the best for me.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a May 
>>> date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in a 
>>> meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's 
>>> enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for 
>>> whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Riv Ride in Asheville NC?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi,
There was some talk about a Riv ride in Asheville this spring but a May 
date won't work for lots of people. If there's still any interest in a 
meetup, how would a July or mid-Sept weekend work for folks?  If there's 
enough people interested I would be happy to try to nail down a date for 
whatever month seems to work for most everyone.
Gary

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[RBW] Re: FS: 51 Sam Hillborne - Sage Green complete bike

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Damien,
Just sent you a pm.
G

On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 1:23:09 PM UTC-4 Damien wrote:

>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Riv for a 69cm seat height

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Forgot to mention - willing to consider frame/fork, complete bike, or 
anything in between.

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 8:22:30 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

>
> Hi all, I’ve got a friend looking to get a Rivendell. She has a 69cm seat 
> height and wants to use it on fire roads, etc. for day rides and light 
> touring. No technical single track, etc. Does anyone have a gently used Riv 
> that they are looking to re-home? Appaloosa, Cheviot, Sam, Homer, Atlantis, 
> etc. are all possibilities. Located in Asheville, NC.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
>

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[RBW] WTB - Riv for a 69cm seat height

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all, I’ve got a friend looking to get a Rivendell. She has a 69cm seat 
height and wants to use it on fire roads, etc. for day rides and light 
touring. No technical single track, etc. Does anyone have a gently used Riv 
that they are looking to re-home? Appaloosa, Cheviot, Sam, Homer, Atlantis, 
etc. are all possibilities. Located in Asheville, NC.

Thanks,
Gary

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Re: [RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr. H

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Jason, sent you a pm yesterday about your Clem.


On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 8:26:01 PM UTC-4 Jason D wrote:

> Haha yes indeed - thanks Joe!
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 2:52:05 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike & I know that spot.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:01 AM, Jason D  wrote:
>>
>> Hi friends!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hoping this bike finds a great home with one of you! Forgive me I get a 
>> little attached to my bikes haha and I have a soft spot for this one. 
>>
>> This is a 52cm Clem H, the model that has the curved seat stays which I 
>> think look very nice. It hasn’t been a trail bike, I just ride it casually 
>> on the paved bike trails around Columbus, OH, so it is in very good 
>> condition. The bike paths in Columbus are great by the way if you’re ever 
>> up this way.
>>
>> I’m starting off offering this as a pickup or meetup preferred. I am in 
>> Columbus OH, Charleston WV, Asheville NC and all points in between quite 
>> frequently so hoping that works for someone.
>>
>> Pedals, bottle cage, and saddle not included.
>>
>> $950
>>
>> Microshift Rear Derailleur
>> Shimano Alivio Front Derailleur
>> SunRace Thumb Shifters 3 x 7
>> Sugino Triple Crankset 175mm 46-38-28
>> Shimano MF-HG37 Sprocket 7 Speed 13-28
>> Planet Bike Eco Rack rear rack
>> Kenda Kranium 1.75” x 27.5” Tires
>> Sta-Tru 27.5” wheelset - Schrader valve
>> Nitto Technomic Stem and Velo Orange Handlebars
>> VO Cork grips (one is cracked and will need glued or replaced)
>> Tektro Eclipse brake levers
>> Tektro V Brakes
>>
>> Kickstand
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> More pics: 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YO10FjeUI-utFfsHi6MYi6lqPpXyA19h?usp=sharing
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We've had five folks fill out the doodle scheduling poll (thanks Steve, 
Jason, Ky, and Chasen) to try to find a late spring date for a potential 
Asheville gathering and the May 12, 13, 14 weekend is best for those who 
responded. Does that date work with others who didn't respond? Or should I 
throw out some summer and/or early fall dates? 
Gary

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:45:38 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:

> Yes, Steve - all the options I selected were the weekends of May and the 
> first weekend of June.
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:09:19 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Gary for setting this up!Are you thinking weekends, or...?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 2:59:12 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, at the risk of being presumptuous I went ahead and created 
>>> this Doodle scheduling poll to see what (if any) weekend dates in May/June 
>>> would work best for a Riv group meetup in Asheville.  Just click on the 
>>> link and it will guide you to a calendar that will allow you to select the 
>>> dates you are (and are not) available for a weekend meetup. After about a 
>>> week, I can post the results and we can either take the planning further 
>>> from there or else pick different dates and try again.  Here is the link to 
>>> the poll:  https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/eXQgKnka
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:00:51 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary, I second your suggestion.   I lived in North Asheville on Melrose 
>>>> St for a number of years - I'm currently on the south side. Those roads 
>>>> above the Grove Park Inn and on to Town Mountain and then the BRPW were my 
>>>> go to routes (that was back when Michael Davis owned ProBikes). I haven't 
>>>> ridden up that way for over a decade. Good to hear it's still decent 
>>>> riding. 
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:23 PM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Steve - Yes, Bent Creek and the River Arts sounds good. We could also 
>>>>> add another ride the following day on quiet roads (they do exist!) just 
>>>>> north of downtown, up Sunset to Town Mt, around Montford, etc. that could 
>>>>> follow the Asheville bike routes.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 4:47:59 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary, May would be a good choice. September is  generally a bit 
>>>>>> quieter as well. I'm guessing most would prefer a weekend???   
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking a 3-4 hour ride at Bent Creek early in the day and then 
>>>>>> possibly an afternoon to early evening ride on the River Arts District 
>>>>>> greenway concluding with a stop for food & beverage. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone want to weigh in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:28:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve, I agree that July 4 wknd would not be the best time for a 
>>>>>>> gathering as Asheville gets mobbed then. But if we can find a suitable 
>>>>>>> date 
>>>>>>> I’d be happy to help with some organizing of the gathering. Seems like 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> biggest hurdle is getting a date nailed down. Any summer date would 
>>>>>>> probably work for me, but I’d suggest late May/early June if we wanted 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> avoid July 4. Not quite as many tourists here then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:38:05 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Giving this thread a bump -  Hate to see it get lost.  Trigger 
>>>>>>>> Warning: Long Post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been living and riding in Asheville for 30 some years now, and 
>>>>>>>> would be happy to offer some route ideas - but first a caveat. The 
>>>>>>>> Asheville metro area has seen phenomenal growth over the past decade 
>>>>>>>> (from 
>>>>>>>> 282,000 to 371,000 residents). We're also seeing about 11 million 
>>>>>>>> annual 

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, Steve - all the options I selected were the weekends of May and the 
first weekend of June.

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:09:19 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Gary for setting this up!Are you thinking weekends, or...?
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 2:59:12 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, at the risk of being presumptuous I went ahead and created 
>> this Doodle scheduling poll to see what (if any) weekend dates in May/June 
>> would work best for a Riv group meetup in Asheville.  Just click on the 
>> link and it will guide you to a calendar that will allow you to select the 
>> dates you are (and are not) available for a weekend meetup. After about a 
>> week, I can post the results and we can either take the planning further 
>> from there or else pick different dates and try again.  Here is the link to 
>> the poll:  https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/eXQgKnka
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:00:51 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Gary, I second your suggestion.   I lived in North Asheville on Melrose 
>>> St for a number of years - I'm currently on the south side. Those roads 
>>> above the Grove Park Inn and on to Town Mountain and then the BRPW were my 
>>> go to routes (that was back when Michael Davis owned ProBikes). I haven't 
>>> ridden up that way for over a decade. Good to hear it's still decent 
>>> riding. 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:23 PM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve - Yes, Bent Creek and the River Arts sounds good. We could also 
>>>> add another ride the following day on quiet roads (they do exist!) just 
>>>> north of downtown, up Sunset to Town Mt, around Montford, etc. that could 
>>>> follow the Asheville bike routes.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 4:47:59 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gary, May would be a good choice. September is  generally a bit 
>>>>> quieter as well. I'm guessing most would prefer a weekend???   
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking a 3-4 hour ride at Bent Creek early in the day and then 
>>>>> possibly an afternoon to early evening ride on the River Arts District 
>>>>> greenway concluding with a stop for food & beverage. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone want to weigh in?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:28:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve, I agree that July 4 wknd would not be the best time for a 
>>>>>> gathering as Asheville gets mobbed then. But if we can find a suitable 
>>>>>> date 
>>>>>> I’d be happy to help with some organizing of the gathering. Seems like 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> biggest hurdle is getting a date nailed down. Any summer date would 
>>>>>> probably work for me, but I’d suggest late May/early June if we wanted 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> avoid July 4. Not quite as many tourists here then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:38:05 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Giving this thread a bump -  Hate to see it get lost.  Trigger 
>>>>>>> Warning: Long Post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been living and riding in Asheville for 30 some years now, and 
>>>>>>> would be happy to offer some route ideas - but first a caveat. The 
>>>>>>> Asheville metro area has seen phenomenal growth over the past decade 
>>>>>>> (from 
>>>>>>> 282,000 to 371,000 residents). We're also seeing about 11 million 
>>>>>>> annual 
>>>>>>> visitors. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The result of the rapid growth  transpo infrastructure has been 
>>>>>>> overwhelmed. Paved routes around town and the surrounding county that 
>>>>>>> were 
>>>>>>> old favorites have mostly become Thunderdome rides. --   
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKZKjFjHDM ---   
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're still reading this - in addition to the decline in road 
>>>>>>> riding pleasantness,  the best close to town off pavement riding (Bent 
>>>>>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Everyone, at the risk of being presumptuous I went ahead and created 
this Doodle scheduling poll to see what (if any) weekend dates in May/June 
would work best for a Riv group meetup in Asheville.  Just click on the 
link and it will guide you to a calendar that will allow you to select the 
dates you are (and are not) available for a weekend meetup. After about a 
week, I can post the results and we can either take the planning further 
from there or else pick different dates and try again.  Here is the link to 
the poll:  https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/eXQgKnka

Gary

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:00:51 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gary, I second your suggestion.   I lived in North Asheville on Melrose St 
> for a number of years - I'm currently on the south side. Those roads above 
> the Grove Park Inn and on to Town Mountain and then the BRPW were my go 
> to routes (that was back when Michael Davis owned ProBikes). I haven't 
> ridden up that way for over a decade. Good to hear it's still decent 
> riding. 
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:23 PM 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve - Yes, Bent Creek and the River Arts sounds good. We could also add 
>> another ride the following day on quiet roads (they do exist!) just north 
>> of downtown, up Sunset to Town Mt, around Montford, etc. that could follow 
>> the Asheville bike routes.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 4:47:59 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Gary, May would be a good choice. September is  generally a bit quieter 
>>> as well. I'm guessing most would prefer a weekend???   
>>>
>>> I'm thinking a 3-4 hour ride at Bent Creek early in the day and then 
>>> possibly an afternoon to early evening ride on the River Arts District 
>>> greenway concluding with a stop for food & beverage. 
>>>
>>> Anyone want to weigh in?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:28:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve, I agree that July 4 wknd would not be the best time for a 
>>>> gathering as Asheville gets mobbed then. But if we can find a suitable 
>>>> date 
>>>> I’d be happy to help with some organizing of the gathering. Seems like the 
>>>> biggest hurdle is getting a date nailed down. Any summer date would 
>>>> probably work for me, but I’d suggest late May/early June if we wanted to 
>>>> avoid July 4. Not quite as many tourists here then.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:38:05 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Giving this thread a bump -  Hate to see it get lost.  Trigger 
>>>>> Warning: Long Post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been living and riding in Asheville for 30 some years now, and 
>>>>> would be happy to offer some route ideas - but first a caveat. The 
>>>>> Asheville metro area has seen phenomenal growth over the past decade 
>>>>> (from 
>>>>> 282,000 to 371,000 residents). We're also seeing about 11 million annual 
>>>>> visitors. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The result of the rapid growth  transpo infrastructure has been 
>>>>> overwhelmed. Paved routes around town and the surrounding county that 
>>>>> were 
>>>>> old favorites have mostly become Thunderdome rides. --   
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKZKjFjHDM ---   
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're still reading this - in addition to the decline in road 
>>>>> riding pleasantness,  the best close to town off pavement riding (Bent 
>>>>> Creek) has become a "regional destination". Trailhead parking can be 
>>>>> a challenge, especially on weekends. Having said that, BC and the Pisgah 
>>>>> National Forest are still great riding. If you want you can climb up to 
>>>>> Bent Tree Gap  and descend on the BRPW through two tunnels  (bring 
>>>>> your lights).  Ample (& secure) parking is available at the NC Arboretum 
>>>>> for $20 per vehicle. I have an annual membership and could transport up 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> 4 bikes and three passengers. 
>>>>>
>>>>> As already mentioned, the new urban greenway in the River Arts 
>>>>> District is pleasant, albeit short, with multiple interesting places to 
>>>>> stop for food and/or beverage or just to gawk at the graffiti murals.. 
>>>>> There are some opportunities to climb up into surro

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Steve - Yes, Bent Creek and the River Arts sounds good. We could also add 
another ride the following day on quiet roads (they do exist!) just north 
of downtown, up Sunset to Town Mt, around Montford, etc. that could follow 
the Asheville bike routes.

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 4:47:59 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gary, May would be a good choice. September is  generally a bit quieter as 
> well. I'm guessing most would prefer a weekend???   
>
> I'm thinking a 3-4 hour ride at Bent Creek early in the day and then 
> possibly an afternoon to early evening ride on the River Arts District 
> greenway concluding with a stop for food & beverage. 
>
> Anyone want to weigh in?
>
> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:28:31 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Steve, I agree that July 4 wknd would not be the best time for a 
>> gathering as Asheville gets mobbed then. But if we can find a suitable date 
>> I’d be happy to help with some organizing of the gathering. Seems like the 
>> biggest hurdle is getting a date nailed down. Any summer date would 
>> probably work for me, but I’d suggest late May/early June if we wanted to 
>> avoid July 4. Not quite as many tourists here then.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:38:05 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Giving this thread a bump -  Hate to see it get lost.  Trigger Warning: 
>>> Long Post.
>>>
>>> I've been living and riding in Asheville for 30 some years now, and 
>>> would be happy to offer some route ideas - but first a caveat. The 
>>> Asheville metro area has seen phenomenal growth over the past decade (from 
>>> 282,000 to 371,000 residents). We're also seeing about 11 million annual 
>>> visitors. 
>>>
>>> The result of the rapid growth  transpo infrastructure has been 
>>> overwhelmed. Paved routes around town and the surrounding county that were 
>>> old favorites have mostly become Thunderdome rides. --   
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKZKjFjHDM ---   
>>>
>>> If you're still reading this - in addition to the decline in road riding 
>>> pleasantness,  the best close to town off pavement riding (Bent Creek) has 
>>> become a "regional destination". Trailhead parking can be a challenge, 
>>> especially on weekends. Having said that, BC and the Pisgah National Forest 
>>> are still great riding. If you want you can climb up to Bent Tree Gap  and 
>>> descend on the BRPW through two tunnels  (bring your lights).  Ample (& 
>>> secure) parking is available at the NC Arboretum for $20 per vehicle. I 
>>> have an annual membership and could transport up to 4 bikes and three 
>>> passengers. 
>>>
>>> As already mentioned, the new urban greenway in the River Arts District 
>>> is pleasant, albeit short, with multiple interesting places to stop for 
>>> food and/or beverage or just to gawk at the graffiti murals.. There are 
>>> some opportunities to climb up into surrounding neighborhoods on fairly 
>>> quiet streets.   There also happens to be a small RV park (with a tent 
>>> area) that the western end of the River Greenway. runs right through.
>>>
>>>  I do not recommend planning a gathering for a holiday weekend ---  or 
>>> any time in the month of October.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:01:54 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we should stick to the Asheville area for the main ride.  I 
>>>> know Wilson Creek is beautiful.  I've hiked there.  I ride fully loaded 
>>>> and 
>>>> am not into hiking a bike.  Mine is too heavy.  I think we should shoot 
>>>> for 
>>>> a ride in Asheville at the end of June 
>>>> For those who want to do Wilson Creek would y'all want to a 2 part Riv 
>>>> event so people could choose one or the other or both?  I hope this pans 
>>>> out.  I'd love to see all these bikes.
>>>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:02:32 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and one other detail I forgot to mention is that there's a really 
>>>>> nice campground at Bent Creek - although it fills up pretty quickly in 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> summer. Lots of chain hotels around Bent Creek too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:39:47 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Wilson Creek area is beautiful - but is pretty remote and about 
>>>>>> 1.5 hrs from Asheville. Closer 

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Steve, I agree that July 4 wknd would not be the best time for a gathering 
as Asheville gets mobbed then. But if we can find a suitable date I’d be 
happy to help with some organizing of the gathering. Seems like the biggest 
hurdle is getting a date nailed down. Any summer date would probably work 
for me, but I’d suggest late May/early June if we wanted to avoid July 4. 
Not quite as many tourists here then.

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:38:05 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Giving this thread a bump -  Hate to see it get lost.  Trigger Warning: 
> Long Post.
>
> I've been living and riding in Asheville for 30 some years now, and would 
> be happy to offer some route ideas - but first a caveat. The Asheville 
> metro area has seen phenomenal growth over the past decade (from 282,000 to 
> 371,000 residents). We're also seeing about 11 million annual visitors. 
>
> The result of the rapid growth  transpo infrastructure has been 
> overwhelmed. Paved routes around town and the surrounding county that were 
> old favorites have mostly become Thunderdome rides. --   
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKZKjFjHDM ---   
>
> If you're still reading this - in addition to the decline in road riding 
> pleasantness,  the best close to town off pavement riding (Bent Creek) has 
> become a "regional destination". Trailhead parking can be a challenge, 
> especially on weekends. Having said that, BC and the Pisgah National Forest 
> are still great riding. If you want you can climb up to Bent Tree Gap  and 
> descend on the BRPW through two tunnels  (bring your lights).  Ample (& 
> secure) parking is available at the NC Arboretum for $20 per vehicle. I 
> have an annual membership and could transport up to 4 bikes and three 
> passengers. 
>
> As already mentioned, the new urban greenway in the River Arts District is 
> pleasant, albeit short, with multiple interesting places to stop for food 
> and/or beverage or just to gawk at the graffiti murals.. There are some 
> opportunities to climb up into surrounding neighborhoods on fairly quiet 
> streets.   There also happens to be a small RV park (with a tent area) that 
> the western end of the River Greenway. runs right through.
>
>  I do not recommend planning a gathering for a holiday weekend ---  or any 
> time in the month of October.  
>
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:01:54 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I think we should stick to the Asheville area for the main ride.  I know 
>> Wilson Creek is beautiful.  I've hiked there.  I ride fully loaded and am 
>> not into hiking a bike.  Mine is too heavy.  I think we should shoot for a 
>> ride in Asheville at the end of June 
>> For those who want to do Wilson Creek would y'all want to a 2 part Riv 
>> event so people could choose one or the other or both?  I hope this pans 
>> out.  I'd love to see all these bikes.
>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:02:32 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and one other detail I forgot to mention is that there's a really 
>>> nice campground at Bent Creek - although it fills up pretty quickly in the 
>>> summer. Lots of chain hotels around Bent Creek too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:39:47 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Wilson Creek area is beautiful - but is pretty remote and about 1.5 
>>>> hrs from Asheville. Closer to Asheville there are some great fire roads 
>>>> and 
>>>> mellow singe track at Bent Creek Experimental Forest that is connected to 
>>>> the NC Arboretum. I ride there all the time and it is just about perfect 
>>>> for a riv. It's also only about 15 min from downtown Asheville.   There's 
>>>> also a growing urban bike trail that includes roads, bike paths, and 
>>>> breweries lacing through town that is a fun way to get to know the town 
>>>> (and the beer). And, a new bike store named "Gravelo" just opened in town 
>>>> and although they don't sell rivs, they are very familiar with them and 
>>>> always ooh and aah appropriately when me and my other riv pals go in 
>>>> there. 
>>>> They are really a great group!  That's my. $.02!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd propose a ride that is a figure 8 loop in the pisgah national 
>>>>> forest wilson creek area. It takes me about 3hours with a lunch stop. Its 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> 70/30 mix of gravel forest road and fire roads to mostly mellow 
>>>>> singletrack. There are some sections folks may prefer to hike a bike, but 

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, and one other detail I forgot to mention is that there's a really nice 
campground at Bent Creek - although it fills up pretty quickly in the 
summer. Lots of chain hotels around Bent Creek too.


On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:39:47 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:

> The Wilson Creek area is beautiful - but is pretty remote and about 1.5 
> hrs from Asheville. Closer to Asheville there are some great fire roads and 
> mellow singe track at Bent Creek Experimental Forest that is connected to 
> the NC Arboretum. I ride there all the time and it is just about perfect 
> for a riv. It's also only about 15 min from downtown Asheville.   There's 
> also a growing urban bike trail that includes roads, bike paths, and 
> breweries lacing through town that is a fun way to get to know the town 
> (and the beer). And, a new bike store named "Gravelo" just opened in town 
> and although they don't sell rivs, they are very familiar with them and 
> always ooh and aah appropriately when me and my other riv pals go in there. 
> They are really a great group!  That's my. $.02!
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> I'd propose a ride that is a figure 8 loop in the pisgah national forest 
>> wilson creek area. It takes me about 3hours with a lunch stop. Its a 70/30 
>> mix of gravel forest road and fire roads to mostly mellow singletrack. 
>> There are some sections folks may prefer to hike a bike, but those are 
>> downhill. I am not much on digital route planning, I ride with paper maps, 
>> so forgive the lengthy text description. You can refer to the MTB project 
>> website - "yancey ridge" 
>> <https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/7003935/yancey-ridge> to use their map 
>> of the area as reference for the following description. Start at Beacon 
>> Heights on the parkway> Carrol Gragg rd>Mountains to Sea trail> Old House 
>> gap> down yancey ridge trail to FS 451>Roseborough rd> FS 192(old house gap 
>> rd)>edgemont rd> 221> Beacon heights. 
>>
>> Another possible route would be a loop covering the Maple Sally Rd 
>> <https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/3567751/maple-sally-road-fsr-187> in 
>> Wilson Creek Area - a full loop ride (back on Brown Mountain Beach) takes 
>> me about 4 hours. Theres also an option for a shorter 10 mile loop 
>> <https://www.mtbproject.com/trail/3283763/loose-mountain-loop> along the 
>> route if some folks wanted to opt for that. 
>>
>> late may? june? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-5 Jason D wrote:
>>
>>> I would be interested in this ride as well. I visit Asheville pretty 
>>> often, but I don't have any insights on the trails/fire roads there. 
>>> Asheville or Boone would be good with me!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:41:33 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should we shoot for Boone or Asheville?   What month?  Mileage?
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:01:38 PM UTC-5 River Bailey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also in Indy and could travel down with Eric for a Riv ride.
>>>>>
>>>>> River
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 12:07:39 PM UTC-5 EGNolan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm throwing my name in the hat to join along. I'm in Indianapolis, 
>>>>>> but my in-laws are in Spruce Pine just off the Parkway and I'm keen to 
>>>>>> ride 
>>>>>> in the area with other Riv-folk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Eric 
>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:08:33 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be happy to come up to Boone too. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:36:56 AM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just putting my name down in the "happy to travel from Knoxville 
>>>>>>>> for a Riv-ride" column...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:38:04 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am out of my league when it comes to orgainizing things 
>>>>>>>>> (anything). Pam in Charlotte (on this list) is much better at it than 
>>>>>>>>> me as 
>>>>>>>>> she d

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Wilson Creek area is beautiful - but is pretty remote and about 1.5 hrs 
from Asheville. Closer to Asheville there are some great fire roads and 
mellow singe track at Bent Creek Experimental Forest that is connected to 
the NC Arboretum. I ride there all the time and it is just about perfect 
for a riv. It's also only about 15 min from downtown Asheville.   There's 
also a growing urban bike trail that includes roads, bike paths, and 
breweries lacing through town that is a fun way to get to know the town 
(and the beer). And, a new bike store named "Gravelo" just opened in town 
and although they don't sell rivs, they are very familiar with them and 
always ooh and aah appropriately when me and my other riv pals go in there. 
They are really a great group!  That's my. $.02!

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5 Michael Iauch wrote:

> I'd propose a ride that is a figure 8 loop in the pisgah national forest 
> wilson creek area. It takes me about 3hours with a lunch stop. Its a 70/30 
> mix of gravel forest road and fire roads to mostly mellow singletrack. 
> There are some sections folks may prefer to hike a bike, but those are 
> downhill. I am not much on digital route planning, I ride with paper maps, 
> so forgive the lengthy text description. You can refer to the MTB project 
> website - "yancey ridge" 
>  to use their map 
> of the area as reference for the following description. Start at Beacon 
> Heights on the parkway> Carrol Gragg rd>Mountains to Sea trail> Old House 
> gap> down yancey ridge trail to FS 451>Roseborough rd> FS 192(old house gap 
> rd)>edgemont rd> 221> Beacon heights. 
>
> Another possible route would be a loop covering the Maple Sally Rd 
>  in 
> Wilson Creek Area - a full loop ride (back on Brown Mountain Beach) takes 
> me about 4 hours. Theres also an option for a shorter 10 mile loop 
>  along the 
> route if some folks wanted to opt for that. 
>
> late may? june? 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-5 Jason D wrote:
>
>> I would be interested in this ride as well. I visit Asheville pretty 
>> often, but I don't have any insights on the trails/fire roads there. 
>> Asheville or Boone would be good with me!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:41:33 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Should we shoot for Boone or Asheville?   What month?  Mileage?
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:01:38 PM UTC-5 River Bailey wrote:
>>>
 Also in Indy and could travel down with Eric for a Riv ride.

 River

 On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 12:07:39 PM UTC-5 EGNolan wrote:

> I'm throwing my name in the hat to join along. I'm in Indianapolis, 
> but my in-laws are in Spruce Pine just off the Parkway and I'm keen to 
> ride 
> in the area with other Riv-folk.
>
> Best,
> Eric 
> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 9:08:33 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>
>> Be happy to come up to Boone too. 
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:36:56 AM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just putting my name down in the "happy to travel from Knoxville for 
>>> a Riv-ride" column...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:38:04 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>
 I am out of my league when it comes to orgainizing things 
 (anything). Pam in Charlotte (on this list) is much better at it than 
 me as 
 she does it all the time. Downside is she doesn't know the area all 
 that 
 well. Could be wrong about that. 

 Would enjoy a group ride and would be cool to get others from as 
 far away as Kentucky and/or Knoxville Tn to join us. If anybody wants 
 to 
 stay overnight Jann and I have two guest bedrooms and lots of 
 floorspace 
 for those who may not mind crashing there in a sleeping bag. Neat 
 little 
 50's style motel nearby too.  Lots of camping options including 
 backcountry 
 in the Pisgah National Forest. 

 99% of my road riding is slow and solo. Leave from my house for 
 various amounts of time and distance, based on how my 73 year old body 
 feels at the time. 

 Thinking out loud...many good local shops in town. They 
 could suggest routes. Or we could do a section of the Blue Ridge 
 Parkway 
 which would mean out and back or arranging for some kind of shuttle 
 service. Parkway is beautiful. Lots of 'scenic overlook spots' every 
 few 
 miles. Hilly in lots of places. As best I can recall the elevation 
 along 
 the ridge near us is 3 to 5,000 feet. Riding up to the Parkway and 
 back 
 from 

[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Dick,
I’m in asheville and know about 5 other riv riders here. We spend lots of 
time on the Bent Creek trails/fire roads.
Gary

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:

> Checking to see if there are any Riv people, other than me, in the Brevard 
> NC area. I ride a 2015 AHH. 
>
> Dick
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB small Atlantis or Appaloosa

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi G.E.
I may be interested in your hillborne. Do you have any info you could share 
about the build/condition/price?
Thanks!
Gary

On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 10:48:13 PM UTC-5 G.E. wrote:

> Hey... Not sure if you're still looking at buying a Riv, but I have a 2010 
> Hillborne in 48cm size (orange) that I'm getting ready to sell. It's a full 
> build, so it would have all the parts, unless someone has the parts they 
> want, in which case I will consider just selling the frameset. Let me know 
> if you have interest, but hopefully, you've already found what you were 
> looking for.  :)
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:35:56 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I've been agonizing over trying to buy a Sam Hillborne today, and I think 
>> I've decided it doesn't quite fit what I want. Really the only space in my 
>> bike stable would be if I could replace my Surly Disc Trucker. I think I 
>> shouldn't try to make the Hillborne fit into that slot, when it isn't 
>> intended to be a fully loaded touring bike (feel free to tell me I'm 
>> wrong...). 
>>
>> So, it seems that the Appaloosa or Atlantis is really what I need. Does 
>> anyone have a small one they're looking to move along? I have a 78 cm PBH, 
>> so the smallest size of the latest generation would be what I'm looking 
>> for. I would also be interested in older generations as well, if available. 
>> A frameset or a full build would both be of interest to me.
>>
>> Good luck to all who are going for a Hillborne today!
>> Keith in Reno
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Rivendell caps, Riv shirt, bandanas, wool sweaters

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric, just sent you a pm about the orange sweater. Thanks!

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 8:11:39 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Riv cotton cap is sold
> Riv by Randi Jo cap is sold
> Patagonia sweater is sold, pending payment. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 6:05:34 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric - sending you a PM
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 2:42:36 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello people — I have some stuff that I'm just not wearing or using, 
>>> including classic Riv stuffs. Prices do not include shipping. PayPal 
>>> Friends & Family or Venmo work best for me. Please hit me for a shipping 
>>> quote. Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: IMG_4242.JPG]*
>>> *Rivendell cycling cap — $10/OBO *
>>> Pretty beat. Classic Rivendell cap made by Pace in the US. The elastic 
>>> was recently replaced by Randi Jo. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4251.JPG]
>>>
>>> *Rivendell by Randi Jo wool cap — $25 *
>>> Wool cap by Randi Jo Fabrications. Some wear and fading, some 
>>> discoloration to interior band. Sized large in Randi Jo sizing, size medium 
>>> in Riv sizing. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: IMG_4216.JPG]Rivendell Peace Wheel tee — $15 *
>>> Size medium in ash grey. It's 19" from pit to pit and 27" overall. Not a 
>>> pocket tee, front has the Riv round RBW + stars logo in black on left side 
>>> of chest. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4252.JPG]
>>>
>>> *Made in US Bandanas lot, nine total — $15 *
>>> These are all Hav-A-Hank bandanas from Rivendell. Two brown, two 
>>> terracotta/brick red, two olive, two gold, one plum. One of the gold ones 
>>> has some grease smears but they're all washed and ready for you. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4217 2.JPG]
>>>
>>> *Patagonia tweed wool henley sweater — $10*
>>> Labeled a size medium, made in Hong Kong. It's a heavy tweed sweater 
>>> with a high collar and three buttons. It's dark grey with flecks of green, 
>>> blue and brown. It has several dime-sized holes on the front, two in the 
>>> belly area, one at the right shoulder. From pit to pit it's 22" and overall 
>>> from top of shoulder to bottom hem is 27". 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4228.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_4170.JPG]
>>>
>>> *Cox Moore English wool sweater — $20*
>>> Beautiful burnt orange ribbed knit sweater, dark orange with flecks of 
>>> brown, yellow and orange. Made in England from Shetland wool. No issues, 
>>> cute label. Measures 22” from pit to pit. Overall from top of collar to 
>>> bottom hem is 25”.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Gary Johnson]

I'm kind of with Doug on this: as much fun as it would be to build up a new
Riv frame, I'm not sure what the point is because I have a Clem L I'm in
love with now.  Plus, I'm currently running north of 250 lbs (body weight,
not tire pressure), and I'm wondering if the new batch of Platy's is
designed as skookum as the Clem, which does not noodle in the least under
the load I impose.  Thoughts?

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 8:58 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> I've been riding my Clem L on longish road rides and am tempted by the
> Rosco Platy but I don't think it would give me any benefit over my Clem. I
> really like the step-through design and after being conscious of it at
> first don't even give it a thought now. It is a burly looking bike to me.
> Riding over pavement cracks and stop indicators at intersections is no
> problem with the wide tires and long wheelbase. These were jarring on my
> old Felt road bike with skinny tires but now they hardly even register.
> Also, I am well-pleased with the Tosco bars and use the out front portion
> about 20% of the time on a long ride to stretch out my back and get good
> pedal leverage. I will be tempted by the Roaduno as an n+1 but as of now
> I'm satisfied riding the Clem.
> Doug
> Athens, GA
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 8:55:14 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> I, for one, can understand Johnny’s affinity for that Clem L. I prefer my
>> Platys, but only slightly. And you really can’t beat a true step-through.
>> I’m an advocate for having BOTH.
>>
>> In any case, I’m glad the Rivendell mixte line continues and that more
>> people of the male variety are accepting them as legit bikes and not girly
>> townies. And how fun that we are venturing into new territory with purple
>> paint! I think the builds on these mixtes will be so interesting. Hopefully
>> the new owners will be generous with their posts and photos and we will get
>> to see this limited edition bike doing its thing in the world.
>>
>> Anyone reading this snag a Rosco Platy yesterday? What did you get? How
>> will you build it up?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I dig them (because I also dig Joe's custom) and I was all on board with
>> grabbing one when they were supposed to be out in May but with the delays I
>> wanted something sooner and fell into a Clem L which I am over the moon
>> about. I think they will sell a touch slower than other models because they
>> are more utility in visual design and priced higher than expected. Not that
>> its not a fair price but its certainly easier to sell a stripped down less
>> fancy Platy for $900-1000 (the original expected price) than $1350.
>> Congrats to everyone that got one. I was expecting to be on that train but
>> alas I am not.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:45:14 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my
>>> custom and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they
>>> didn't do one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold
 in the last several hours. Hmm.

 Eric
 too many bikes, not enough budget


 On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst
> 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one.
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a
>> short stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up.
>> Not good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs 
>> they
>> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had
>> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not 
>> sure
>> I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from 
>> an
>> aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale
 thread better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the 
 frame
 they want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a 
 nice
 day! ‍♂️
 Joe Bernard

 On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and
> sent a pic of the green one with this text:
> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>

Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Gary Johnson]

That color looks so great, it makes you wonder why all bikes aren't
orange.  Cool chainstay decals, may I suggest some helicopter tape to cover
those and to protect from the dreaded chain slap!

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 5:13 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> Thank you! And congrats on the Gus! I plan to wrap my drive side soon.
> Fortunately the clear protection is keeping it safe so far. The non drive
> side has the graphics too on this one at least!
>
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:33 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This color is incredible! Nice build. I just received a NOS Gus from the
>> previous batch (mine is Riv blue), and I'm kinda curious as to why the
>> little instrument graphics were moved to the chainstays - particularly the
>> driveside stays - since folks routinely wrap the stay to protect the paint
>> from chain slap. If I had one of these newer models, I would be bummed to
>> have to cover up those cool little graphics.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 1:11:54 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 1DE74431-611C-4C5D-9711-56E530A91BA0.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Still have some fine tuning to do but it rides great! Could have
>>> probably gone for the longest stem. Older XT derailer I had planned on for
>>> the front was a no go. Hooked up my daughter’s trailer and did a
>>> neighborhood lap with it empty, so far so good. The bike feels like it has
>>> suspension over small bumps. Really looking forward to a real ride,
>>> hopefully in the morning!
>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 11:21:20 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I use the "e-bike" Kool Stops on my Motolites which work fabulously,
 but they're thick and make pulling the front wheel on my roadish fork (Riv
 custom) a pain. I may try the short gray cheapies on the front, I'm tired
 of wrestling with these.

 On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 5:07:10 AM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my
> first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I asked
> about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be a
> free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted out. 
> I
> have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>
> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had any
> problems with them squealing before. There must be something about the
> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in
>> salmon, for my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great
>>> pads but by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can 
>>> require
>>> such ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 1000
>>> miles. One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the pads
>>> themselves with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one or 
>>> the
>>> other. Both, in that order.
>>> I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with
>>> Neo-retros on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is 
>>> far
>>> improved to my previous experience with Neo-retros.
>>> Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I
>>> could tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Brompton Ti

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Jason,
Just sent you a PM about your Brompton.
Gary

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 4:50:26 PM UTC-4 J L wrote:

> Group,
>
> I have a new Brompton 6speed H type bar (high) dark blue with special Ti 
> parts. They call it a superlight. I think It is in the spirit of riv, with 
> a little extra “sure why not” added in. 
>
> For sale: $2300 shipped.
>
> I have some extra parts and could sell as an M bar (mid height) and/or 
> single speed or two speed.
>
> Open to trade plus $ for a 54 or 56cm quickbeam. 
>
> Cheers
> Jason in SF

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[RBW] WTB - Back-a-bike bag

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hello all,
I'm looking for one in either gray, blue, or olive. Anyone have one lying 
around? It can be the old style without the bungee/hook.
Thanks,
gary 
gmlmurray (at) Mac (dot) com

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[RBW] WTB - Blue or Grey GrabSack

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hello all,

Does anyone have a blue or grey grabsack that they're not using? The only 
ones available at Riv now are olive, which wouldn't be my first choice (I 
know, I'm being picky).

Cheers,
Gary

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[RBW] Re: FS :: Wool bike clothing Ibex Woolistic + other [long]

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Dave, just sent you a PM about the blue woolistic jersey.
Thanks!

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:39:35 AM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hi. A combination of downsizing and inadvertent weight loss over the past 
> few years (for reasons neither bad nor good), on top of my huge love of 
> Ibex clothing (I believe purchases by me and my wife were often cited at 
> their annual board meetings), means some really nice wool men’s clothing 
> for sale today. Also some Woolistic jerseys, knickers, Pearl Izumi arm & 
> leg warmers, and…well, please look below.
>
> Sizing help: The 15 items are nominally size medium or large, and most 
> actually are. I’m 5’10” and now about 145 lbs. and when pieces like the sky 
> blue wool jersey fit me in a relaxed but not loose way, “club fit” it’s 
> often called, I was about 165 lbs.
>
> Quick note about condition. New is tried on, never worn. Near-new was worn 
> only about a handful of times. And excellent was worn more than that. But 
> all these pieces are free of holes and stains and fading, which would be 
> less than excellent.
>
> Wool fashion pictures, click here (
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/CpEBxFJsa5ta3SzY8) and all non-fashion 
> questions quickly answered. As before, prices cover shipping if buyers 
> cover the Paypal fee. Thanks for looking!
>
> Dave, who welcomes questions about specific dimensions especially for 
> some odd pieces but for now wanted to gather the photos write up the notes 
> and post the items
> ==
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> *Notes following. Photos here:*
> *https://photos.app.goo.gl/CpEBxFJsa5ta3SzY8 
> *
>
> 1.   Ibex Climawool hooded jacket, grey M, near-new = $165
> 2.   Ibex Loden wool coat, charcoal M, near-new = $235
> 3.   SportHill XC winter pants, black M, near-new = $75
> 4.   Woolistic/Bouré long-sleeve jersey, red/black L, exc. = $53
> 5.   Los Angeles wool knickers, black 34, NEW = $85
> 6.   Pearl Izumi arm warmers, black L, near-new = $21
> 7.   Ibex bouclé wool jacket, black M, exc. = $75
> 8.   Pr’Ana cotton/spandex (2%) knickers, brown L, exc. = $35
> 9.   Woolistic/Bouré long-sleeve jersey, sky blue L, exc. = $68
> 10.   Woolistic Molteni long-sleeve sweater jersey, rust/black M, NEW = 
> $155
> 11.   Ibex wool sweater/layer, charcoal M, near-new = $45
> 12.   Pearl Izumi leg warmers, black L, near-new = $27
> 13.   Ibex bouclé wool sweater/layer, charcoal M, near-new = $110
> 14.   Unis-Sport short-sleeve summer wool, white/red L, NEW = $58
> 15.   Ibex bouclé wool sweater/layer, black M, exc. = $80
>
> *NOTES*
> *All wool items washed only cold water, Kookaburra detergent.*
> 1.   Ibex Climawool makes for a nicely wind-resistant top layer.
> 2.   Ibex Loden is very heavy wool, will last you forever. Easy to layer 
> under.
> 3.   SportHill pants fit like a medium should. If I liked winter sports 
> more, I’d keep ‘em.
> 4.   This red wool jersey is a richer red than the photos show 
> 5.   No brand markings on the elegant Los Angeles wool knickers with satin 
> lining, styled like dress pants, but I remember it’s from an LA company. 
> They’re a real 34; I’m not.
> 6.   PI arm warmers, classic.
> 7.   Ibex bouclé offers that extra warmth from the looped, curled yarn.
> 8.   Pr’Ana knickers, while marked size large, fit more like a 34 (aka, 
> medium).
> 9.   The bright simplicity of this sky blue Woolistic jersey is peak 
> cycling fashion in my eyes.
> 10.   Woolistic made this particular brand-new Molteni sweater jersey so 
> that it’s a bit small for the size medium it’s marked, a bit short and a 
> bit tight on me.
> 11.   An Ibex wool garment with thin wool great for layering.
> 12.   PI leg warmers, also classic.
> 13.   This bouclé wool Ibex sweater is heavier weight than #7.
> 14.   Unis-Sport (which I believe was connected with Woolistic) made this 
> delightful, super-lightweight, 100% wool Faema-sponsored garment. Wear it 
> in summer!
> 15.   The black bouclé Ibex sweater brother of #13.
>
> ==
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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Rear Derailleurs 9-speed NEW & more!

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi David,

Just sent you a PM about the XTR M900 rear derailler

Thanks!
gary


On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 1:46:57 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hello cycling friends. What’s here today are Shimano rear derailleurs, 
> mostly 9 speed (many brand new), a few classic Deore XT 7-speed, and one 
> magnificent first generation XTR M900 mechanism. All these rear derailleurs 
> are traditional, top normal, high normal (aka, NOT Rapid Rise). Most are 
> mainly silver, unless noted. And all the derailleurs are mechanically fine. 
>
> All prices include shipping in for buyers who cover the Paypal fee. Photos 
> available on request, and questions quickly answered.
>
> Thanks for looking, and I’ve posted front derailleurs separately.
>
> Dave, who says you can find the official Shimano instructions for numbers 
> one two four and six here (
> https://si.shimano.com/pdfs/si/SI-5W00A-002-ENG.pdf) but really the info 
> in this PDF applies to the setup basics for all these rear derailleurs
>
> *P.S. Note that all the used rear derailleurs were used only for road 
> cycling.*
>
> 1.   Shimano Deore XT (M761) 9-speed NEW (2 available) = $175 ea.
> 2.   Shimano Deore LX (M581) 9-speed NEW = $140
> 3.   Shimano Deore LX (T661) 9-speed NEW = $150
> 4.   Shimano Deore (M531) 9-speed black NEW = $75
> 5.   Shimano XTR (M952) 9-speed grey near-new = $150
> 6.   Shimano Deore XT (M761) 9-speed near-new = $115
> 7.   Shimano Deore XT (M750) 9-speed near-new = $110
> 8.   Shimano XTR (M900) 8-speed not-quite-near-new = $125
> 9.   Shimano XTR (M952) 9-speed grey exc. = $120
> 10.  Shimano Deore XT (M735) 7-speed silver/black exc. (2 available) = $80 
> ea.
> 11.  Shimano Ultegra (6500) 9-speed exc. = $60
> 12.  Shimano Dura-Ace (7700) 9-speed VG = $65
> 13.  Shimano Deore XT (M735) 7-speed silver/black good = $23
>
> *Here’s a quick gloss on my terms of condition:*
> ** Near-new: clean, super-low miles, no rust, long life ahead*
> ** Excellent: just a few more mild scratches, still clean *
> ** Very good: a bit more schmutz & wear (esp. pulleys)*
> ** Good: not the prettiest, but will still get you home*
> =
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[RBW] Re: For Trade: Acorn Compact Rando Bag in Black X-Pac

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Paul,

I just sent you a PM. I've got a tan Acorn saddlebag and can send pics if 
you're interested.

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:25:18 AM UTC-5 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> PS: Here's a link to the bag on the Acorn website!
>
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/x-pac-compact-rando-bag?variant=31410202804358
>
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-5 Paul in Vermont wrote:
>
>> Howdy Everyone.
>>
>> I'd like to trade my (brand new and awesome) *Acorn Compact Rando Bag in 
>> Black X-Pac *for either an *Acorn X-Pac Compact Saddlebag*, or an *Acorn 
>> Medium Saddlebag... *if anyone has one to trade.
>>
>> I bought the Rando bag last Spring for my Atlantis, but realized I am 
>> just too in love with my half basket and I never actually even mounted it. 
>> So it's new and never used.
>>
>> Image of my bag attached!
>>
>> [image: IMG_2108.jpg]
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Paul
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Hunq

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've got a 2015 grey/kidney bean 58 hunq that I bought new and I'm sure 
that one was built in Taiwan. I remember cause I was talking to Grant when 
I ordered it and he assured me the quality was equal to the Toyo-built 
bikes. It's still a great bike - wherever it came from!

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:28:14 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> I've always wondered if my Hunqapillar was a Taiwan model and I thought 
> this thread might give me the answer, but my top headtube lug seems to be 
> the same as yours, but the lower one is different.  I thought the orange 
> ones all came in one batch, but maybe that's not the case?  
>
> [image: 20190422_062154.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:30:01 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0774.JPG]
>> That is the lug work and paint from the Waterford production run. 
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:03:29 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>
>>> Just wanted to share the only bike I think will be in my stable for 
>>> ever. It's a 54cm Hunq. I'm pretty sure it's Taiwan made, since it doesn't 
>>> have Waterford etched into the drop out. I've been working on this bike for 
>>> 18 months to get it here, and I'm finally happy with where I've landed. The 
>>> only immediate changes might be... changing the 'tross bars to Billie bars. 
>>> It's also set up for quick swaps in case I want to use Bullmoose bars that 
>>> day. 
>>>
>>> Enjoy. Happy to answer questions. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4909.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA shorts (5) and pants (1) LOT

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Eric,

Just PM'd you about #4 and 6.

Thanks,
gary

On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:51:39 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 00A.JPG][image: 00B.JPG]
>
>
> Up for sale, five pair of Rivendell MUSA shorts and one pair of MUSA 
> pants. All are size medium except for one black pair of shorts which are 
> size large. $300 for the lot plus shipping to you from 22401. Payment via 
> Venmo or PayPal Friends & Family. 
>
> More pics are here on google drive. 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lmIlwb6sHPQQ16sKm6FS82cSLkNdHw3e?usp=sharing>
>
> 01. Green, size large. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
> intact. Some scuffs as shown from crashing while wearing these. 
>
> 02. Black, size medium. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
> intact. 
>
> 03. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons intact. 
> Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon that the 
> rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 
>
> 04. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons 
> intact. Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon that 
> the rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 
>
> 05. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Belt is missing! 
> Buttons intact. Adjustable leg cuff with velcro closure. 
>
> 06. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Buttons intact. 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Adapters to make SPD pedals into clip and strap pedals?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Patrick,
Here's another option but they don't take 
straps. 
https://www.adventurecycling.org/cyclosource-store/equipment/sp/problem-solvers-decksters-clipless-pedal--adaptor/

They are kind of heavy but work fine for occasional riding around. I've got 
two pairs and would be happy to sell you a pair for not too much if you're 
interested.

On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 11:47:02 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Ginz; not the SPD but still a general issue to consider. Really, 
> after far too much fretting, I think the best solution is simply to find a 
> more comfortable and conservative-looking pair of SPD shoes that don't hurt 
> my feet after an hour of standing (liturgies regularly last 2 hours, and 
> they can go much longer than that! It would probably have to be a lace up 
> since I have narrow heels and a bunion on my right foot, thus need a wide 
> toe box but a sufficiently narrow heel. 
>
> Someone suggested the Giro Rumble which is designed to be more flexible 
> than most cycling shoes for comfortable walking. It's well priced, too. My 
> only doubt is the look: it's not horrible, but I'd like to find a 
> "walk-oriented" spd shoe that looks like my 5-10 Freerider (5-10 does not 
> seem to offer anything like the Freerider for SPDs). 
>
> Thoughts welcome.
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 8:19 AM Ginz  wrote:
>
>> Ok, I should have researched first.I cannot comment on the "SPD" 
>> pedal.  My feedback would only related to "Step-In A" pedal that Rene Herse 
>> does not carry!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:15:41 AM UTC-4 Ginz wrote:
>>
>>> I had the MKS Urban Step-in B and Lambda combination for a while.  These 
>>> are my thoughts:
>>>
>>> I really did not like the Step-in B pedals.  I am a Time ATAC lover and 
>>> that fact that the MKS used the same cleats was a huge plus.  However, I 
>>> found the break-in period for the Step-in B pedals was incredibly long.  I 
>>> messed with the spring tension.  I was using well broken in cleats.  But it 
>>> took a long, long time before the the clip-in was smooth.  At the 
>>> beginning, I had to jam my foot down, forward, backward, every which way to 
>>> engage the cleat.   Once that issue resolved itself over ~20 rides, they 
>>> were better.  But my goal was to swap between mtb'y pedals and flat 
>>> pedals.  On the trail, the engagement was no where near as nice as my Time 
>>> ATAC.  So, I just gave up and sold the setup.
>>>
>>> That said, if your goal is to ride roads and occasionally swap pedals, 
>>> its fine.  Maybe not perfect, but fine.   One thing you can do is find the 
>>> discontinued Non-Ezy version of the MKS Step-in B pedals for cheap on eBay 
>>> and try them out.  Actually, I may have a set missing the dust cap if you 
>>> are interested (I bought them for parts).
>>>
>>> I wish they had partnered with Time and made the basic ATAC pedal with 
>>> the MKS Ezy Superior Axle.  I would have kept that setup forever.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 2:55:09 AM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Not sure about the SPD quality difference. Also, I realized the SPD 
 rinko system might use different adapters. 

 On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 8:32:31 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks; I've thought of these. Questions: Does the system materially 
> increase Q? Is the MKS spd pedal anywhere near as good as mid and upper 
> level Shimano SPDs -- PD540, XT, XTR?
>
> Actually, ~$275 for MKS SPDs and Urbans and shipping isn't too bad, 
> but only if the MKS spds are good pedals.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 3:10 PM exliontamer  wrote:
>
>> These rink systems work and are pretty sick, they're just expensive. 
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-category/components/pedals/
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 3:50:33 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any well made, well functioning adapter to make an SPD 
>>> pedal into a platform that will take a standard Christophe clip? Rather 
>>> than swapping out my SPDs for quills, this might be the best solution 
>>> for 
>>> merely occasional street shoe riding.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Project Mercury Astronaut Bridge Tour

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I gotta do that ride too. Mike, I lived in Cocoa Beach back then and my dad 
ran the Starlite Motel where the Mercury astronauts stayed. He got to be 
good friends with them and they would come to the house showing off their 
new corvettes. It was amazing for a little kid like me.

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:02:51 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I gotta do that ride. My dad was accepted into the astronaut program in 
> 1957. I spent the first 3 years of life at Cape Canaveral and lived at air 
> force bases with really fast aircraft.  So cool.  Not bike related, but 
> check out this out with astronauts getting Corvettes  Why America's first 
> astronauts all drove Corvettes (jalopnik.com) 
> 
>   
> I can't find the original article, I think it was in Smithsonian Air and 
> Space periodical or AOPA magazine. Here it is i think  My Other Ride Is a 
> Spaceship | Space | Air & Space Magazine (airspacemag.com) 
> 
>   
> My dad did not make the final cut, so no Corvette. 
>
> Mike SLO CA  
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 8:46:51 AM UTC-7 Robb wrote:
>
>> Yesterday was the League of American Bicyclists (LAB)'s National Ride A 
>> Bike Day, so I previewed the Project Mercury Astronaut Bridge Ride, which I 
>> lead annually on the Sunday closest to the Apollo 11 lunar landing 
>> anniversary. While we think of Houston (i.e "Houston .. the Eagle has 
>> landed"), the American human spaceflight program started with Project 
>> Mercury at NASA Langley Research Center in Hampton. Hampton City honored 
>> the project by naming our main street "Mercury Boulevard" and the road 
>> leading to the NASA campus "Commander Shepard Boulevard". The remaining six 
>> Mercury Astronauts have bridges named after them. The 18 mile ride begins 
>> and ends at Air Power Park which displays one of the Mercury capsules used 
>> during training and testing. The ride begins and ends on the 2 1/4 mile 
>> linear trail Hampton Waterwalk. It was a very nice day to ride my Atlantis. 
>> Usually ride the Clem L for errands and Gus Boots on the local trails. 
>> Normally the Atlantis on multi-day tours or sub-24 overnighters (S24O) so 
>> this was a treat.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Gary Jacobson]

Can't praise the RH double in 42/26 enough. 

I have tried many FD's and like the IRD Sub C. with the 42 tooth large 
chainring doubles I've used.

The other crank I like due to it being a no compromise low Q crank is the 
86bcd Sugino Apex. 
28 teeth is the smallest inner chainring for that spider when used as a 
double. I believe I posted about the ball and cup BB works for this set up 
on a 130 OLD frame.

I have used XCD cranks as a triple, but these days I'm riding doubles on 
all road bikes. 

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY and
Roque Bliuffs, ME

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 11:19:36 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Patrick is entirely right about the fact that you can re-jig the existing 
> triple crankset into a double with a pant guard for much cheaper, but I am 
> also completely enamoured with my Rene Herse crankset after a couple of 
> years (42-26 as well), and when you consider that it basically a lifetime 
> purchase (other than new rings every now and again), the price is not so 
> bad. 
>
> I run a road FD but I expect a MTB version would actually be more 
> appropriate.  Works fine though, throws the chain over the top maybe once 
> every 10 rides but that's likely just imperfect adjustment 

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[RBW] Re: Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Gary Jacobson]

The HHH is 135 OLD. Does it make sense to use a low Q RH double with such a 
frame if one likes lower Q? Gotta think about that.

Recently I was thinking of trying a 86 BCD Apex on my Atlantis and nixed 
the idea. Maybe my thinking is faulty.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY and 
Roque Bluffs ME

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 11:19:36 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Patrick is entirely right about the fact that you can re-jig the existing 
> triple crankset into a double with a pant guard for much cheaper, but I am 
> also completely enamoured with my Rene Herse crankset after a couple of 
> years (42-26 as well), and when you consider that it basically a lifetime 
> purchase (other than new rings every now and again), the price is not so 
> bad. 
>
> I run a road FD but I expect a MTB version would actually be more 
> appropriate.  Works fine though, throws the chain over the top maybe once 
> every 10 rides but that's likely just imperfect adjustment 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Sacks are a good deal

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I love sackvilles too, and they are a spectacular deal, but if you want to 
go all in on handmade bags, check out Fogg bags. They are made by a great 
couple in southern France. I have one and it is exquisite.
https://www.foggspecialistbags.com/

And I too am waiting for the backabikes to be back in stock.

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 11:43:24 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Indeed, I've carried my Scotch, as well as my beer, in a grid-grey 
> Sackville bag, and enjoyed both the riding and the imbibing. And my 
> Scottish friends all agree.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 7:23:30 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
>> Scotch bag!
>> https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green
>>
>> Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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[RBW] Re: Green Rambouillet, 56cm, new lower price

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for everyone’s interest in the Ram. It is now off to its new owner 
in San Francisco!

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-4, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am posting this for a friend who has been unable to ride for a number of 
> years and his Ram has been sitting unused in his garage.  It is "almost" in 
> almost pristine condition with very few miles. There are just a couple of 
> scratches on the top tube from a garage tip over. I've got some touch up 
> paint for those.  Everything is in fantastic condition and the bike is 
> awesome. I've got an original orange Ram and I love these bikes...
>
> He is now asking $1300.
>
> Here are the details:
>
> Rambouillet frame, 56 (cm center to top)
> Noodle bars 44cm
> Technomic stem - 11cm
> Shimano levers and mid reach brakes
> Shimano 9spd bar ends
> Sugino crank 48/36/26, 170mm crank arms
> Nitto seat post
> Brooks Champion B17
> Shimano Xt rear derailler
> Shimano 105 front derailler
> Shimano 105 hubs/Mavic Open Pro rims 32 spokes
> 28mm Ruffy Tuffy tires (nearly new)
> Shimano cassette - 12-32
> Wellgo SPD/flat pedals
>
> The seat height in the pics is 74cm. There's room for 35 Compass Bon Jon 
> Pass tires.
>
> Here's a link to a bunch of pics:  
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xJr1PPdJtSRx0
>
> Any questions please email me at:   glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
> Asheville, NC
>
>
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[RBW] Green Rambouillet, 56cm, new lower price

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all,

I am posting this for a friend who has been unable to ride for a number of 
years and his Ram has been sitting unused in his garage.  It is "almost" in 
almost pristine condition with very few miles. There are just a couple of 
scratches on the top tube from a garage tip over. I've got some touch up 
paint for those.  Everything is in fantastic condition and the bike is 
awesome. I've got an original orange Ram and I love these bikes...

He is now asking $1300.

Here are the details:

Rambouillet frame, 56 (cm center to top)
Noodle bars 44cm
Technomic stem - 11cm
Shimano levers and mid reach brakes
Shimano 9spd bar ends
Sugino crank 48/36/26, 170mm crank arms
Nitto seat post
Brooks Champion B17
Shimano Xt rear derailler
Shimano 105 front derailler
Shimano 105 hubs/Mavic Open Pro rims 32 spokes
28mm Ruffy Tuffy tires (nearly new)
Shimano cassette - 12-32
Wellgo SPD/flat pedals

The seat height in the pics is 74cm. There's room for 35 Compass Bon Jon 
Pass tires.

Here's a link to a bunch of pics:  
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xJr1PPdJtSRx0

Any questions please email me at:   glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com

Thanks,
Gary
Asheville, NC

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[RBW] Re: FS - 56cm green Rambouillet, close to pristine condition, $1450

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wanted to bump this up and let everyone know that I've not been able to 
locate a nearby buyer so the Rambouillet is now "shippable." I'd be happy 
to work with anyone connect with a shop to arrange packing and shipping. 
 So let me know if you need any more info or have any questions.  Thanks!


On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-4, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am posting this for a friend who has been unable to ride for a number of 
> years and his Ram has been sitting unused in his garage.  It is "almost" in 
> almost pristine condition with very few miles. There are just a couple of 
> scratches on the top tube from a garage tip over. I've just ordered some 
> touch up paint for those.  Everything is in fantastic condition and the 
> bike is awesome. I've got an original orange Ram and I love these bikes!
>
> Here are the details:
>
> Rambouillet frame, 56 (cm center to top)
> Noodle bars 44cm
> Technomic stem - 11cm
> Shimano levers and mid reach brakes
> Shimano 9spd bar ends
> Sugino crank 48/36/26, 170mm crank arms
> Nitto seat post
> Brooks Champion B17
> Shimano Xt rear derailler
> Shimano 105 front derailler
> Shimano 105 hubs/Mavic Open Pro rims 32 spokes
> 28mm Ruffy Tuffy tires (nearly new)
> Shimano cassette - 12-32
> Wellgo SPD/flat pedals
>
> The seat height in the pics is 74cm. There's room for 35 Compass Bon Jon 
> Pass tires. My friend would ideally like to avoid shipping so a sale within 
> a 100 mi radius from Asheville, NC would be ideal (he's willing to drive to 
> meet a buyer within that distance), but it would be an option if the buyer 
> would cover packing and shipping costs.
>
> Here's a link to a bunch more pics:  
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xJr1PPdJtSRx0
>
> Any questions please email me at:   glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
> Asheville, NC
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - 56cm green Rambouillet, close to pristine condition, $1450

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Joel!

On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-4, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am posting this for a friend who has been unable to ride for a number of 
> years and his Ram has been sitting unused in his garage.  It is "almost" in 
> almost pristine condition with very few miles. There are just a couple of 
> scratches on the top tube from a garage tip over. I've just ordered some 
> touch up paint for those.  Everything is in fantastic condition and the 
> bike is awesome. I've got an original orange Ram and I love these bikes!
>
> Here are the details:
>
> Rambouillet frame, 56 (cm center to top)
> Noodle bars 44cm
> Technomic stem - 11cm
> Shimano levers and mid reach brakes
> Shimano 9spd bar ends
> Sugino crank 48/36/26, 170mm crank arms
> Nitto seat post
> Brooks Champion B17
> Shimano Xt rear derailler
> Shimano 105 front derailler
> Shimano 105 hubs/Mavic Open Pro rims 32 spokes
> 28mm Ruffy Tuffy tires (nearly new)
> Shimano cassette - 12-32
> Wellgo SPD/flat pedals
>
> The seat height in the pics is 74cm. There's room for 35 Compass Bon Jon 
> Pass tires. My friend would ideally like to avoid shipping so a sale within 
> a 100 mi radius from Asheville, NC would be ideal (he's willing to drive to 
> meet a buyer within that distance), but it would be an option if the buyer 
> would cover packing and shipping costs.
>
> Here's a link to a bunch more pics:  
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xJr1PPdJtSRx0
>
> Any questions please email me at:   glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
> Asheville, NC
>

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[RBW] Re: Platform bike racks, again

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a 1 Up and it is great. They also just came up with an attachment 
that allows you to carry a bike with fenders which I just tried out this 
weekend. It works really well.

On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 6:02:05 PM UTC-4, Lucky wrote:
>
> I've read a few of the conversations about best platform rack for hitch, 
> but to be honest, my head is spinning! Just when I think I have narrowed 
> down what to get, I run into another issue with the rack for one reason or 
> another. 
>
> SO, who is using *which* platform rear rack for bikes with front racks and 
> baskets? I was just about to buy the Thule rack and then it occurred to me 
> that the hook over the wheel might not work with my bikes, all but my son's 
> have a front rack and basket. 
>
> The One Up looks nice? 
>
> I need to carry four bikes on the back as I can no longer lift them to the 
> rooftop. And don't want to scratch up my nice Riv and Riv-adjacents. 
>
> Thanks for any advice! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Jeremy,

I've got a 58 Hunq and my wife has the 55 Appaloosa. I started this thread 
to see if anyone has experience with a larger Appaloosa because I was so 
surprised when I rode her App for about an hour how much livelier and 
supple it felt compared to my Hunq (one of the first generation grey/maroon 
ones). I thought maybe because it was a smaller frame?  But others that 
have responded seem to have felt the same thing. My Hunq is noticeably 
heavier and just FEELS heavier riding it compared to my wife's Appaloosa. I 
don't know about the tubes, but it sure seems that the Appaloosa either has 
lighter tubes or the longer chain stays contribute to the significantly 
different feel. A clydesdale vs a gazelle difference almost.  Not good vs 
bad, just different.

Gary

On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 10:51:13 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Masmojo, can you point to a source that describes the tubing differences 
> you mention? Or is it something you experienced from riding both? I've been 
> following Riv bikes pretty closely since the Hunqapillar came out and don't 
> remember such differences being mentioned, but I could have missed it.
>
> I've got an interest in this thread as I have a Clem H which I've ridden 
> as an off-road bike for the last 4 years or so, and honestly it's the best 
> bike in terms of ride quality I've ever owned. I've got a chronic case of 
> upgrade-itis, however, and I've wondered if an Appaloosa or used Hunq would 
> fit the bill. Given how smooth the Clem rides I'd want to make sure its 
> replacement shared its ride quality. I've never ridden a Hunq but I did 
> work on a couple of Waterford built Bombadils and I remember them being way 
> stout. I had an opportunity to buy an Appaloosa frame locally but it had 
> less tire clearance than the Clem and it would have been a tight fit with 
> my preferred tires.
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58 or 60cm Appaloosa - F/F/HS

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi again,

Just to clarify, I realized that my initial post was a little confusing. 
I'm not ready to let go of my Hunq until I try out an Appaloosa. So I'm 
mainly interested in buying an Appaloosa frame at this point.

Jan,I know you understood that and thanks for your interest in the Hunq. PM 
me with your contact info and I'll save it if I do decide to sell the 
Hunqapillar.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 4:33:01 PM UTC-4, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi all,  
>
> I'm thinking of swapping out my 58 Hunq for an similar-sized Appaloosa and 
> would ideally be looking for one of the newer 60cm Appaloosa frames but 
> would also consider an older 58. Let me know if you have one you'd like to 
> re-home.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
>

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[RBW] WTB: 58 or 60cm Appaloosa - F/F/HS

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all,  

I'm thinking of swapping out my 58 Hunq for an similar-sized Appaloosa and 
would ideally be looking for one of the newer 60cm Appaloosa frames but 
would also consider an older 58. Let me know if you have one you'd like to 
re-home.

Thanks,
Gary

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[RBW] Re: WTB Albastache bars

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi John,

I sent you a PM. Thanks!

Gary

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ryan, thanks for the Hunq brochure - I'd not see that before.And I do LOVE 
the head badge!  I agree that the App feels a bit lighter and more roadish, 
while the Hunq feels just rock solid. I'm not sure what MUP riding is :) 
but I'm definitely not doing loaded touring on trails any time soon.  And 
yes, another bike is always the answer!

Chris, the Hunq feels much more stout to me than the App.

Andrew, my PBH is 91 and I'm pretty sure a 62 Hunq would be too tall, even 
tho I've got my seat set with lots of post showing. I didn't realize that 
the 62 App had more clearance. I'm using Albastache bars with a dirt drop 
stem on the Hunq and the reach is great. How do you think that would that 
work on your App? I'd be interested to see a pic of your bike so I can see 
where your seat is set. What is your PBH?

Thanks again everyone,
Gary



On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 6:38:23 PM UTC-4, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking for opinions about the ride of a 58 Hunq vs a 58 Appaloosa. I 
> know that is pretty specific, but here's why. I just finished building up a 
> 55 Appaloosa for my wife and we were on a ride this weekend where we traded 
> bikes. Both of us remarked that the Appa felt much more lively, smoother, 
> and lighter than the Hunq. Seeing how her bike has the awesome 55mm Compass 
> EL tires, I traded wheels to see if that would account for the difference, 
> but it really didn't make much difference.
>
> So before I start thinking about replacing my beloved grey/kidney bean 
> Hunq with an Appaloosa I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone else out 
> in Riv land has had experience with both, ideally in my 58 size. Am I just 
> imagining the difference??
>
> Thanks for any input you have!
>
> Gary
> Asheville,NC
>

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[RBW] WTB Albastache bars

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Hi everyone,

I just finished building up an Appaloosa for my wife (with Choco bars) and 
now after riding my bike with Albastache bars she is wanting to switch to 
those. Riv is out of stock so I'm seeing if anyone here has an extra 
Albastache bar they'd like to re-home. 

Thanks!

Gary

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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

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Hi everyone,

I'm looking for opinions about the ride of a 58 Hunq vs a 58 Appaloosa. I 
know that is pretty specific, but here's why. I just finished building up a 
55 Appaloosa for my wife and we were on a ride this weekend where we traded 
bikes. Both of us remarked that the Appa felt much more lively, smoother, 
and lighter than the Hunq. Seeing how her bike has the awesome 55mm Compass 
EL tires, I traded wheels to see if that would account for the difference, 
but it really didn't make much difference.

So before I start thinking about replacing my beloved grey/kidney bean 
Hunq with an Appaloosa I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone else out 
in Riv land has had experience with both, ideally in my 58 size. Am I just 
imagining the difference??

Thanks for any input you have!

Gary
Asheville,NC

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[RBW] Re: WTB English Rain coat

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric,
I just received my DV Greenspot a couple of months ago and it is heavier 
than my previous rain jacket. I'd probably not use it in warm weather but 
it is great for anything cool/cold. It is bulkier too so it's not the kind 
of thing I'd just throw in my bag if it is not supposed to rain.  FWIW, I 
ordered a medium and am 6'/150#. It fits great with lots of room for 
layering, but I did have the sleeves made longer than the stock size and 
they are perfect.  The construction and quality overall is impeccable.
Gary

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:50:51 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
>
> For those with the double ventile greenspot, do reserve that for colder 
> weather? I generally like to layer under my jacket and use a thinner 
> jacket. I almost worry the single greenspot will be too heavy for me, but I 
> guess I have thinner jacket for warmer weather. 
>
> I have a ventile dress raincoat so I am somewhat familiar with it.  
>
>
> Thanks
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

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Hi Daniel,

I think that is a fun idea, and I'd be happy to join in. I will PM you.

Gary

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Awhile back because of Grant etc.  Thought about getting into film 
> cameras.  Grabbed a deal on b/w film .  Wary of hobby creep and expense of 
> developing i shelved the idea.  But still have the film in my fridge, 
> expired date last year.  Someone's covid camera sale reminded me about that 
> film.  
>
> Came up with an idea for my stash of film. Send film out to people on here 
> and maybe ibob.  Request in return, AT LEAST one photo from the pictures 
> you take using the film. What do you guys think of my idea? If i decide to 
> do it I'll start a new thread (s)
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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle blogs again!

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Hi Joe,

Thanks for sharing her new blog. I too have been checking periodically and 
have always been disappointed that she didn't resurface after she took a 
break. I'm so glad to see her back, even if tentatively.  It was just last 
week that I had deleted the Lovely Bicycle bookmark from my computer - and 
now I"m glad to have it back (even in its new form!

On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 3:22:53 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I saw this on the iBob and thought you non-Bobbers (there's a few) would 
> be interested. Hey, remember when I got in that big fight over there 
> because I defended her not announcing the end of her cycling blog? That was 
> great fun. Here's a new one which may or may not continue to be about 
> bikes, it starts with knitting a jersey. Welcome back, Velouria! ♥️ 
>
>
> https://www.pancogcycle.com/blog/cycling-jersey-that-got-me-pregnant 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bags, Bags, Bags and More

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Hi Ahmed,

I just sent you a pm about the RW brevet bag and the Brenn bag. Thanks!

gary
glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:52:49 PM UTC-4, Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>
> Brenn bags, handmade by Cory Brenn in Scotland. 
>
>
> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 1:45:16 PM UTC-7, Keith Swanson wrote:
>>
>> Could you send a picture of the Brenn please?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 10:57:08 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you post a picture of the VO saddle bag and the VO rack?
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 1:22:09 AM UTC-4, Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Corona Clean Up of the Garage...
>>>> Apologies in advance for any "For Sale" faux pas, as this is really my 
>>>> first attempt at selling stuff on here. 
>>>>
>>>> I am a Riv nerd with four rivs so over the years I have collected a 
>>>> bunch of different bags and things in an attempt to dial things up just 
>>>> the 
>>>> way I want. Many impulse buys the just didn't work but they're all in 
>>>> almost perfect condition, if not totally unused. 
>>>>
>>>> *Prices are not including shipping. PayPal or local pickup - I am on 
>>>> the Peninsula in Sillycon Valley. If you're interested I will send more 
>>>> info/pics. *
>>>>
>>>> Brenn Bags (@cbrennbags in Scotland) Custom Saddle bag leather/treated 
>>>> canvas, never used - $50
>>>> Rivendell Sackville Saddle Sack SMALL - never used. They don't make 
>>>> this anymore so it's a fun "rare" item. - $125
>>>> Ruthworks Custom Brevet - it was on a bike for a hot minute and is in 
>>>> stellar condition - $125
>>>> Ruthworks Custom Standard Wedge - Never used. - $100
>>>> Ruthworks Ultralight Brevet, used on one ride but in like new condition 
>>>> - $75
>>>> Ruthworks Ultralight Wedge, slightly used, $50
>>>> Carradice Carradry Heavy Duty saddle bag, never used - $25
>>>> Carradice "Super C" Cotton Canvas Saddle Pack, never used - $25
>>>> Trash Messenger Bags Custom RED "Wastebasket" fanny pack/mini messenger 
>>>> bag, never used - $50
>>>> Velo Orange Saddlebag in canvas and leather, never used - $20
>>>> Restrap Saddle Bag 8.5x5 rolled up, never used - $25
>>>> Velo Orange Constructeur Front Rack, never used - $75
>>>> Nitto M12 Front Rack, never used - $80
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

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I'm 5'11", 32" waist and the Mediums are a little tight. I'd probably have 
been better off with a large.

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:21:58 AM UTC-4, Dan Kretzer wrote:
>
> What can you tell me about the fit of the current MUSA long pants now back 
> in stock? (the tapered ones)
>
> Always find buying clothes online risky. Most Riv stuff is cut generously 
> but I'm probably at the upper end of the XL.
> (235 Lbs 36-38 waist depending on cut, 6'3")
>
> -Dan
>

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[RBW] WTT: 42 Noodle bar for 46 or 48

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Hi All,

With some close-to-home time on the horizon I want to redo the cockpit on 
my tandem. I have a 42 Noodle bar that would be too narrow, so I'm looking 
for a 46 or a 48. If anyone is interested in trading, please let me know!

Thanks,

Gary - glandwirth (at) Mac (dot) com
Asheville, NC

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B.17 Titanium Saddles

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Hi Laing,

I just sent you a PM on the brown brooks. Let me know if you don't get it. 
 glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com

Thanks!
gary

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 10:08:35 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> 2 Brooks Champion Special B.17 with titanium rails. 
> Too narrow for me these days
>
> Dark green - used - $150 shipped CONUS OBO.
> Antique Brown take-off from Pashley Guv'nor, basically new, maybe 10 
> miles - $250 shipped CONUS OBO.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> [image: 20200310_093331.jpg]
>
> [image: 20200310_093235.jpg]
>
> [image: 20200310_093555.jpg]
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Drop bar on MIT Atlantis?

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I have a friend that has a 59 MIT Atlantis with drops and he loves it. He 
just set it up with a shorter stem.

gary

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 9:45:19 AM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I did on the older 56 and liked it. I normally ride a 58-60 cm frame 
> though. 
>
> Best regards,
> Matt Beecher
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[RBW] Re: FS: One Backabike, non-grid grey

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Hi Joe,
I just sent you a PM - I'll take them if they're still available!
Thanks,
gary

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 5:55:42 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Once again I've reduced my bike count in an effort to minimalize my world 
> and have more bags than I can use. This is one Backabike, an excellent 
> shopping bag for your store runs. It's the darker (and beautiful) flat grey 
> Riv used to do, not the current lighter grid style. 
> $65 shipped. 
>
> I also have a near-new condition Medium Saddlesack with Kangaroo Pouch in 
> the same color. I'm on the fence about selling, but if you're really into 
> it gimme a holler and we'll talk. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Brooks Cambium 17s and a Nitto large front rack

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The slate/tan cambium is sold but the slate/slate cambium and the nitto 
front rack are still available. PM me if interested.

Thanks


On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 11:45:06 AM UTC-5, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have two cambium 17s that just didn't work for me. One is a nearly new 
> (slate top and bottom) and the other is a little older and slightly faded 
> on top (slate top and tan bottom). Asking $80 shipped for the newer one and 
> $65 shipped for the tan bottom one.
>
> I've also got a nearly new Nitto big front rack that has two attachment 
> pieces that fit fine on my Hunq. Asking $145 shipped. I bought this from a 
> list member a while ago and never used it.
>
> Pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0x5BydzFWMY9A
>
> Thanks,
> gary
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[RBW] Re: Compass EL tires, 35 and 48

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Hi Luke, PM'd you yesterday that I'm interested in two of your BJP tires. 
Thanks!

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 9:06:13 PM UTC-5, lukeheller wrote:
>
> 5 brand new/unopened compass Bon Jon Pass EL700x35 (black sidewall) 
> $65/tire. 
>
> 2 brand new/unopened switch back hill EL, tan sidewall 650bX48. $70/tire.
>
> Cost of shipping additional. Whatever USPS flat rate shipping is. 
>
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[RBW] FS: 2 Brooks Cambium 17s and a Nitto large front rack

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Hi all,
I have two cambium 17s that just didn't work for me. One is a nearly new 
(slate top and bottom) and the other is a little older and slightly faded 
on top (slate top and tan bottom). Asking $80 shipped for the newer one and 
$65 shipped for the tan bottom one.

I've also got a nearly new Nitto big front rack that has two attachment 
pieces that fit fine on my Hunq. Asking $145 shipped. I bought this from a 
list member a while ago and never used it.

Pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0x5BydzFWMY9A

Thanks,
gary

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[RBW] Re: 59cm Clem barely fits in car, thus will be caried on the outside. I like the 1UP rack, but what about others...?

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+++1 for the 1 UP.  I've had one for about a year and it's the best rack 
I've ever had. Rock solid with zero sway, and it only touches the wheels 
and can be configured for 1 - 4 bikes, with an add-on carrier for each one. 
That way the pieces can be added separately and individually don't weigh 
much (maybe 20# each). Kind of pricy but well worth it!

On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 12:00:05 AM UTC-4, LeRoy wrote:
>
> As detailed in a recent post (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/BMwnMT8KlG4), my 
> be-fendered 59cm Clem is an awkwardly tight fit in my recently-acquired 
> Jeep Cherokee. As a result, I'm hitch-mounted bike-rack shopping (and hitch 
> shopping as well!). My requirements in a rack are:
> 1) must securely accommodate a 40+ lb. 59cm Clem with its fenders and 
> front (Nitto Mini 32F) and rear (Pletscher Clem) racks
> 2) must be readily removable without much fuss and knuckle-skinning
> 3) prefer a rack that supports the bike under its wheels rather than 
> hanging it off the top tube
> 4) as of now, I only anticipate the need to carry a single bike; 
> expandability, however, would be a nice virtue
> Digging around in the archives uncovered enthusiastic recommendations for 
> the 1UP hitch-mounted rack. This looks like a very good combination of 
> sturdiness, good design and reasonable price. It ticks all the above boxes 
> and would be about $400 delivered to my door.
> I could pull that trigger but thought I'd first ask whether anyone could 
> suggest an even better alternative with respect to price, value, function, 
> etc. (Or, maybe you have one for sale!) Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>

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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

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I can't do PMs right now but if Clayton doesn't take it I will, slotted or not!

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[RBW] Re: FS -- Bike Bags, Riv and other

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Hi Tom,
I sent you a pm about the grab sack and tool wrap.
Thanks, gary


On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 11:45:24 AM UTC-4, Tom Allingham wrote:
>
> Make your bike more useful and more beautiful!  Over the years I've 
> accumulated a lot of very nice bags, and now we're moving and I have to 
> radically downsize my inventory of bikes and accessories.  I'm starting 
> with bike bags (parts and bike sale lists will follow).  A summary list 
> with prices is below, but please take a look at this link for pics and very 
> detailed descriptions:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmChnHQ2.  These are priced 
> to move, and offers will be considered for sure!
>
> The list (all prices are plus actual shipping):
> Riv Saddlesack Large, tan, new. $145
> Riv Saddlesack Large, Royal Blue, new. $145
> Riv Saddlesack Large, green, lightly used, $145 (with bonus inclusions)
> Riv Saddlesack Large, black, lightly used, $145 (with bonus inclusions)
> Riv Nigel Smythe Big Box Saddlebag, tan, very lightly used. $100
> Zimbale Saddlebag, black, used but very nice. $50.
> Riv Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Saddlebag, new. $100
> Riv Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Handlebar Bag/ Nitto F-15 Rack combo, both 
> new. $135 for both.  Note discount if you buy both Tweed Saddlebag and 
> Tweed Handlebar Bag/Rack combo.
> Riv Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Lil' Loafer Trunk Bag, lightly used.  $60
> Pair of Riv Sackville Small Pannier/seat bag/handlebar bag, tan, new.  $75 
> for the pair.
> Riv Sackville ShopSack Medium, tan, new.  $30
> Riv Sackville GrabSack, brown, new.  $35
> Riv Sackville Mark's Tool Wrap, green, new. $25
> Pass and Stow Roll-Top Porteur Bag, black, new.  $125
> Guu-Watanabe small May under-saddle bag, new.  $65
> Hand-tooled custom leather small saddlebag, blue and tan, essentially new. 
>  $70
> Acorn Tool Roll saddlebag, tan, used but very nice.  $40
> Acorn Tool Roll Saddlebag, black, used but very nice.  $40
> Acorn Medium Banana Saddlebag, black, lightly used.  $45.
> Pair of unique small pannier bags, made from green canvas and brown 
> leather US Army surplus ammo bags, new and beautiful.  $60 for the pair.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Tom Allingham (a/k/a Pudge)
>

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[RBW] WTB - a 55 Appaloosa frame or bike

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Hi All,  I just finished helping a friend build her Appaloosa (which she 
loves) and now my wife is thinking she'd like one too - so I am on the 
hunt.Of course they are all gone at RBW by now so does anyone have a 
frame/fork/HS/BB or full build they are thinking of finding a good home 
for? Blue would be her ideal color. PM me if you might have something - 
Thanks!

Gary
Asheville, NC

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

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I really appreciate and respect everything about Riv and Grant's ability to 
push the boundaries of "normal" bikes and parts, and have introduced many 
folks to them who are glad to now be part of the "club." So I'm happy to 
buy a few gift certificates when Grant throws out a request - I'd much 
rather hear from him early rather than have him/riv hold things close and 
not give folks a chance to help before it might be too late (which I hope 
never happens!).  A company like Riv is so rare theses days - integrity, 
supreme customer service, innovative not-made-in-china products that are 
hard if not impossible to find anywhere else, and a just plain fun vibe. 
 I'm with John B, I'd be happy to pay the old membership fee from long ago 
again just to have access to their thinking!

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:13:01 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> A few days ago over on the Paceline forum, in response to a recent Riv 
> email about a slow holiday season they've restarted the "Riv Saved For Now" 
> discussion.  https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=218496=4 
> starting at post no. 51
>
> I'm a bit surprised there's been no discussion of the subject here.  
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - 51 Appaloosa or 51 Hillborne - or possibly 55 Cheviot

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for all the responses. And thanks to a number of very nice offers, 
I've been able to find a great 51 App frame that will work really well. To 
chime in on the sizing issue, my friend is not a fan of close top tubes and 
since she is in the upper PBH range for the App I think it will be perfect 
for her. I agree with Joe's comment that the smaller frame's shorter top 
tube would be beneficial as well.  I think that a 55 Sam might have worked 
too, but no Sam's materialized.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 9:14:44 AM UTC-4, C Sharp wrote:
>
> FWIW, I’m a guy with an 82 PBH (stubby legs, long torso) and I have a 55cm 
> 2009 Sam. I believe the TT for that model year was something like 57 or 
> 57.5 (don’t feel like looking it up). The bike definitely fits and is a joy 
> to ride, but it does feel a bit long for me. Just saying a 55 might be 
> worth a try, esp. if she’s going to set it up with upright bars. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB - 51 Appaloosa or 51 Hillborne - or possibly 55 Cheviot

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

HI Andrew, Her PBH is 84. 

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:17:31 PM UTC-4, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> Curious, what is her PBH?  

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[RBW] WTB - 51 Appaloosa or 51 Hillborne - or possibly 55 Cheviot

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all,

I've got a friend that is looking to get her first Riv and I'm trying to 
give her a hand. Anyone have a 51 Appaloosa or 51 Hillborne that's looking 
for a good home? A frame/fork/headset, partial, or full builds could all 
work. Another option would be a 55 Cheviot but that would be a little lower 
on her list.  A 56 Atlantis (old version) would also work but that is 
probably wishful thinking 

Thanks!
Gary in western NC

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[RBW] Re: I RECEIVED MY SOLEREBEL SHOES

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just received my today tool. They are pretty well built, really 
comfortable, and look great. But they are about a half size too small. 
Maybe they will stretch if I walk around the house long enough with them. 
I'm not thinking of sending mine back either. Just glad they arrived, happy 
that the company is making a go of it, and hope that they will do well.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 5:19:00 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> I received my shoes today.
> Unfortunately they are too small.
> I put them up against my foot sketch and the outside of the shoes are 
> close to my foot sketch with no room inside. Maybe  the copy of the sketch 
> that was sent to use as a pattern shrunk in the transition.
> I will take them to Goodwill and maybe someone can use them.  I will not 
> ask for a refund or for a new pair.
> Like most here I bought the shoes to first help these people and second to 
> actually get a pair of shoes that fit.
> I hope others here have better luck.
> Jon
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a similar story. I ordered my shoes on July 27 and inquired last 
week as well. I received the exact same nice reply. Since then I've not 
heard back from the "order team" and no shoes have arrived.

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 11:00:47 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I contacted them about my order and I recieved a very nice reply; the 
> "orders" dept was copied in & asked to give me a status & tracking number, 
> but I've yet to hear anything.
> It's been two months and although I don't characterize myself as a 
> suspicious or paranoid person, I am starting to think there's a problem. I 
>  suspect that there's likely a disconnect between the web site/ management 
> & production in Ethiopia. 
> I certainly hope I am wrong, but they've got a week or so, before I follow 
> up with my credit card company.

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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Nitto Big Front Rack install?

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here's a few pics I found. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9406237330/in/album-72157634881121054/

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[RBW] Re: MIT Atlantis frames have arrived at RBW

[Gary]

A friend of mine got a call this week and expects his here (in NC) by the 
end of the week.

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 5:04:40 PM UTC-4, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> Got a voice mail from Dave that the frames are in and will begin shipping 
> soon. :-)
>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: Glorius and Wilbury

[Gary]

Hey Pudge, I pm'd you a couple of times but they must not have gone thru. Would 
love to talk more about the Wilbury. You can email me at glandwirth (at) mac 
(dot) com or call at 828-279- 5758. 

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[RBW] Re: Great Divide Thoughts

[Gary]

I agree with Patrick about the albastache bars. I had both albatross and 
noodles on my hunq and found the albatross too upright for good climbing, and 
the noodles were difficult to get a good hand position when descending anything 
steep / technical. Then put on the albastaches and they are the perfect 
compromise - upright enough, easy to keep your hands on the brakes for 
descents, and easy to climb with. Here are a couple of pics from the North 
Carolina mountains...

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B02GtnIORGGKAoX

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[RBW] Re: Fender for blue Rambouillet?

[Gary]

I've got a 60cm Ram that fits P45 fenders and 32 Paellas pretty easily.
gary

On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 12:13:51 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Building up my new to me blue 54 Rambouillet and 32mm tires fit with 
> clearance but P45 fenders are too bulky for the frame.
>
> What are you using on yours? Did you have to cut them to clear chain stays?
>

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[RBW] WTT - B17 Champion Special for Cambium C17

[Gary]

Greetings all,

I have a B17 - honey colored with copper rails - that's in excellent 
condition that I'm looking to trade for a Cambium C17 in similar condition 
(any color but "natural"). If anyone's interested, please let me know! Pics 
available if interested.

Thanks,
Gary

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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[Gary]

I was lucky to get on Richard's list back in 2001 when his wait time was 
only about 9 months and the frame price was much lower than today. I met 
him at his shop in CT, where he spent a couple of hours showing me around 
his museum-like workshop, taking measurements, and talking about how he 
liked to work. He was just a fascinating guy. During the build, he would 
send me hand drawn postcards of the progress every month or so. The frame 
came right around nine months after our visit, and it was - and still is - 
an incredible piece of craftsmanship and an absolutely amazing ride. 

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 10:38:17 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Beautiful images.
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOu0XKkJ6Y
>
> A friend loaned me a copy of the film about Sachs, "Imperfection is 
> Perfection."  If you haven't seen it, it was fun to watch.  Impressive guy. 
>  Only found this trailer on youtube.
>
> John
>
>

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