Re: [RBW] Adding Glitter to Shellac - Long Term Use?

[Jon Dukeman]

Put a coat of Shelac on your bars.
Sprinkle on glitter. Let dry.
Put more coats of  shellac as needed until glitter is covered.
Have fun.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 1:50 PM Armand Kizirian 
wrote:

> In one of the recent Riv newsletters there was mention of adding glitter
> to shellac before applying it to handlebar tape. This sounds like a really
> fun addition. There seems to be no shortage of biodegradable glitter on the
> market as well.
>
> The question is, will this eventually become a
> *my-hands-are-covered-in-glitter-after-every-ride* scenario?
>
> If you have experience. Please do chime in.
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Re: [RBW] Cockpit bag/cup holder

[Jon Dukeman]

And and quality workmanship

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 2:51 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> RandiJo Fabrications
> She has quite a number of colors and sizes to choose from.
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 2:47 PM James  wrote:
>
>> What is the best cockpit cup holder ya'll have explored and used?
>> Ideally it could alos hold a phone at times, and be somewhat versatile with
>> cups, bottles, etc.
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Re: [RBW] Cockpit bag/cup holder

[Jon Dukeman]

RandiJo Fabrications
She has quite a number of colors and sizes to choose from.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 2:47 PM James  wrote:

> What is the best cockpit cup holder ya'll have explored and used?  Ideally
> it could alos hold a phone at times, and be somewhat versatile with cups,
> bottles, etc.
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[RBW] Re: WTPF - Nitto Noodle, Albastache, and 70mm Tallux stem

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

I am really, really sorry folks!  Some very bad life stuff, and then the 
holidays happened and I honestly just dropped the ball on this. :(   It's 
my fault, I should have done better.  I'll post again in a few days and 
open this stuff back up to takers.  Please forgive my dropping the ball.

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:32:14 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

>
> would be happy to cover shipping on the talkux  please let me know if 
> avail 
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 7:06:30 PM UTC-5 J Imler wrote:
>
>> I’m open to the drops and stem is available.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 2:17:00 PM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> (WTPF = Want To Pay Forward)
>>>
>>> In this case - the people here have been so kind and helpful I'd like to 
>>> give back. 
>>>
>>> I have as spare parts 2 Nitto handlebars - a Noodle and and Albastache - 
>>> plus a 70mm Tallux stem. They're free for the asking; I just ask you cover 
>>> shipping. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTPF - Nitto Noodle, Albastache, and 70mm Tallux stem

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

(WTPF = Want To Pay Forward)

In this case - the people here have been so kind and helpful I'd like to 
give back. 

I have as spare parts 2 Nitto handlebars - a Noodle and and Albastache - 
plus a 70mm Tallux stem. They're free for the asking; I just ask you cover 
shipping. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB new Rivendell saddle or other saddle with proper bag loops

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Eh, I don't think the loops on the Acorn Large Saddlebag will reach my 
rails. :(

I have the old, 2016-era Rivendell stock saddle with the weird ovular loop 
on the back; it's not wide enough to use as loops for this bag (or maybe 
any bag) and it also blocks things.


On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:04:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> FWIW: Alternatives to integrated loops that don't require big bolt-on 
> carriers: neither work as well as loops but might be preferable to 
> jettisoning an otherwise favorite saddle. I prefer #2 to losing my beloved 
> original issue Flites and even prefer it to #1. 
>
> #1 VO bolt-on loops are still available: 
> https://velo-orange.com/products/velo-orange-saddle-loops
>
> #2 You can simply strap your bag to the saddle rails; I've done this with 
> my Flites for Sackvilles (both Mediums) and Carradice Juniors, Nelson LFs, 
> and Camper LFs, and carried over 30 lb in the larger bags with no problems, 
> unless a bit of thigh-rub is a problem (it doesn't bother me). I wrap the 
> straps around the rails from the outside of the rails: from inside of bag, 
> around outside of rails, back to inside of bag.
>
>
>> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 3:53:33 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a cheap saddle with proper bag loops - the new Rivendell one 
>>> or perhaps one of the V-O ones that have loops.  Hopefully someone's got a 
>>> saddle they don't use or didn't work for their body that they'll let go 
>>> cheapish!
>>
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[RBW] WTB new Rivendell saddle or other saddle with proper bag loops

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Looking for a cheap saddle with proper bag loops - the new Rivendell one or 
perhaps one of the V-O ones that have loops.  Hopefully someone's got a 
saddle they don't use or didn't work for their body that they'll let go 
cheapish!

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[RBW] Re: Did anyone get one of the new Acorn Bags yesterday?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

My wife and I each have a "Boxy Rando" bag from back in 2016, during the 
time when they used snaps and didn't put their logo patch on the bags.  We 
love those bags, and it was time for me to get a bag for the back of my 
bike, instead of using my Ortlieb panniers.  So I waited for the Large 
Saddlebag to become available and bought one.  It arrives today!  I'm 
exited.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 11:55:09 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Jon,
> I noticed that Acorn continues to modify and improve most of their bags. 
> The "Large" saddle bags now seem to have gone back to the drawstring inside 
> (instead of the recent zippers) and two leather straps to hold the flap 
> down (instead of the more recent single shock cord). A nice new touch (in 
> my opinion) is the replacement of the larger and wider side pockets with 
> flatter zippered pockets on the sides. 
>
> Those new flat side pockets make the bag a little more narrow and 
> "streamlined," even a cleaner look. I never liked the larger side pockets 
> on my old Carradice bags much. 
>
> Though the leather "flap" straps are a bit slower to deal with than the 
> single shock cord on the flap, I think they lend a nice look, dare I say 
> "retro'? And a bit more secure, I feel.
>
> My 2 cents. I have been a big fan of Acorn and their "MUSA cottage 
> industry" model. The workmanship has always been superb and pricing is 
> super fair.  I've probably owned more than 18 of their bags over the years. 
> Great folks to work with, too.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I got one of the new Acorn Bags "large saddlebags" yesterday when they 
>> became available.  Did anyone else get any of the new bags?  I'm excited to 
>> check this one out when it arrives!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Man just USE your bikes!  I read this blog post a while ago and was like 
"WTF, people will drop a minimum of 2.5k on a bike and not ride it!?!? - 
must be NICE to have that kind of cash!"

Bikes are meant to be ridden.  Rivendells will stand up to just that; 
they're very much made for it.

And seriously, if you can afford to have a Rivendell to not use it... 
share? :D

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> This is just the thread that I needed right now; John thanks for pushing 
> it back to the top. I'm considering using a very well-equipped Atlantis as 
> my daily driver/commuter and I guess what I was feeling was a sense that I 
> should be using that bike for its intended purpose instead of riding 
> something that I don't enjoy as much simply to preserve the Riv. I was 
> thinking of buying another Riv (a clem) for this purpose but after 
> considering the cost of it + tax + a few changes, I'd be into it for a 
> similar sum. I might as well ride the Atlantis. I'll report back. 
>
> John - I agree, your Atlantis ameliorated that rock and the overall 
> aesthetic of that canyon. 
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:38:03 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Your Atlantis is living life right !
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis 
>>> along the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At one 
>>> point I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a 
>>> photo, and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so 
>>> functional, the Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is 
>>> that much more stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to its 
>>> majestic hues.[image: IMG_2280.jpeg] 
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how 
 it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
 yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
 little less precious everyday 

 On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> An absolutely perfect bike!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty 
> and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
>
> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to 
> the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>
> 
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call 
> it something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night 
>> and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a 
>> beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, 
>> I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new 
>> bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most 
>> beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not 
>> be marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful 
>> not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
>>
>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or 
>> ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard 
>> down 
>> a bit. The beauty will remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 
>> 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as 
>> a 
>> project. The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. 
>> But then again, I'm on a 

[RBW] Did anyone get one of the new Acorn Bags yesterday?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

I got one of the new Acorn Bags "large saddlebags" yesterday when they 
became available.  Did anyone else get any of the new bags?  I'm excited to 
check this one out when it arrives!

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[RBW] Do V-O's thumb mounts 100% for sure work with Silver-1 shifters?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Since I'm too impatient to wait for V-O's email response ( :D ) - can 
anyone confirm 100% (i.e., from personal experience) if V-O thumb mounts 
( 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters-1/products/vo-thumb-shifter-mounts-22-2-23-8
 
) work with Rivendell's Silver-1 barend shifters without modification to 
either?

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

A generous offer from a list member fell through (the parts were lost) - so 
- anyone else have anything they'd be willing to sell/etc? :)

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:04:06 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Yes, as does any friction shifter ! 
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>>> are nuts. 
>>>
>>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone? :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>>>>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>>>>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>>>>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Looks like Riv says just a little filing needed. Can anyone confirm?

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:41:26 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think I have sunrace thumbshifters that are not as nice as silver 
> shifters but I *think* that silver shifters can be mounted to them. If 
> anyone can confirm that is true I would be happy to send you the 
> thumbshifter mounts for free. They are just sitting around. Like these
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/sunrace-one-at-a-time-thumb-shifter-right-side
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:35:02 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
>>> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
>>> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
>>> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
>>> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
>>> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
>>> are nuts. 
>>>
>>> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone? :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>>>>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>>>>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>>>>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Huh! Are they likely to work with my 9 speed drivetrain?

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 3:12:43 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Years ago I bought a set of Sunrace SLM10 thumbshifters along withe some 
> Falcon ones. I've never used them, but you can still buy them retail. They 
> both have ratchets, albeit plastic, but they work just fine. Looking at 
> buyer comments it's about common issues with any thumbshifter, like the 
> shifter needing retightened, or the cables fraying, or "my dog ate my 
> shifters and now they're junk... what crappy shifters, one star !"  People 
> are nuts. 
>
> $15 shipped https://www.ebay.com/itm/224487667033
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 2:42:47 PM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone? :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>>> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
>>> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
>>> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
>>> laying around they'll let go cheap!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Anyone? :)

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 8:53:03 PM UTC-5 Jon Craig wrote:

> Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my 
> barend! Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. 
> My budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
> laying around they'll let go cheap!

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[RBW] WTB Riv thumb shifter mounts or IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc.

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Basically looking for a way to get my Silver barend shifters off my barend! 
Riv thumb mounts, the IRD PowerRatchet brake levers, etc etc etc. My 
budget's limited, so I'm hoping someone has something that'll do this 
laying around they'll let go cheap!

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[RBW] WTT: (my) Nitto Noodle for (your) Nitto 132 Rando bar (44cm width, preferably)

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

As the title says, I'm hoping to arrange a trade for my Nitto Noodle 
handlebars, for Nitto 132 Rando bars, 44cm width, preferably.  It seems I'm 
going to have to try lots of bars so I may as well do it as cheaply as 
possible. :D

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Eh, I'm really thinking of going back to a drop bar of some sort - there's 
1000 of them out there, and it seems ones with shallower drops and 
mid to high flare are going to make the drops usable.  And I probably want 
something with a longer ramp for even more position variability.  There are 
just. so. many. bars. now.

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I love handlebar discussions. I am a pretty big fan of the Albastache bars 
> and generally have moved to them in instances where I would normally use 
> drops. Similar to you I don't really ride in the drops so Noodles just 
> don't have the same amount of options. That said I also love the look and 
> traditional feel of drops. I plan to try out the Blue Lug specific variant 
> of the Noodles. They are the same bar but with shallower drops and less 
> reach. It seems like that could be perfect and make riding in the drops 
> more accessible. As far as anything that would keep you with road levers 
> for brifters thats about the only options. Albastache bars are clunky set 
> up that way because of the way you need to throw the lever to shift. I have 
> only held off trying the BL bars because I am waiting for a stem I want to 
> come in so that shipping makes more sense.
>
> Now if you do want to move toward a thumb shifter route for road bikes I 
> cannot recommend the Losco bars enough. So good for a sweptback road 
> experience.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
>> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
>> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
>> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>>
>> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
>> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
>> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
>> hands behind the thumbs.
>>
>> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
>> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
>> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>>
>> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
>> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
>> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
>> behind the thumbs.
>>
>> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
>> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>>
>> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
>> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>>
>> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
>> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
>> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>>
>> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
>> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>>
>

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[RBW] YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the bike, 
and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being able to 
ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam too), I 
swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  

The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
hands behind the thumbs.

The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
"hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...

I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on being 
on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put them in a 
spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part behind the 
thumbs.

I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.

I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 

The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)

Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here have 
Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Huh - I'm curious.  Did you ever have the black plastic one they included 
with the 2016 Sam completes?  If so, how does it compare?

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:41:29 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Riv shipment just delivered, including the new seat, which I mounted right 
> away for a neighborhood spin.  I find it immediately comfortable and am 
> eager to try it on a longer ride; first impressions are very positive.  
> Have any of you ridden it yet?
>
> Now for that new derailer/derailleur!
>
> Tom
> Miami, FL, where it is currently 82ºF
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Re: [RBW] Options for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Do these work with Silver-1 shifters?  I don't have -2's, I have -1s.


On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:15:12 PM UTC-5 reca...@gmail.com wrote:

> I use the MicroShift road thumb shifter mounts with the silver shifters. 
>
> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=106560
>
> They are very nicely made, work great, and the pair comes in at less than 
> $40. 
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If you are eager to acquire the X and O thumbie mounts that Rivendell 
>> sells and want to pay less than 45 dollars each for them, maybe just say 
>> how much you want to spend, and maybe somebody who has a set will sell them 
>> to you.  Or maybe you have something that retails for $90 that you no 
>> longer want and you could trade?  There are ways to shake things loose in 
>> this community.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:53:51 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the Riv ones I knew about. 90 bucks just to mount shifters is 
>>> really expensive, though. I was hoping there was another option LOL. Maybe 
>>> some will come up used. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
>>>> As near as I know the only game in town are the mounts sold by Riv for 
>>>> that exact purpose, which you must be familiar with but I’ll link here 
>>>> anyhow: https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk. Paul used 
>>>> to sell adapters for their Thumbie mounts, but they are neither 1. cheap 
>>>> nor 2. currently in production, so would require some scrounging. 
>>>>
>>>> Jay Lonner
>>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jon Craig (Vendraen)  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So what options exist for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to 
>>>> thumbies? That don't cost a fortune - $60-$70 per shifter seems just crazy 
>>>> honestly. Is there anything more reasonable? 
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Options for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Yeah, the Riv ones I knew about. 90 bucks just to mount shifters is really 
expensive, though. I was hoping there was another option LOL. Maybe some 
will come up used. 

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> As near as I know the only game in town are the mounts sold by Riv for 
> that exact purpose, which you must be familiar with but I’ll link here 
> anyhow: https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk. Paul used to 
> sell adapters for their Thumbie mounts, but they are neither 1. cheap nor 
> 2. currently in production, so would require some scrounging. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jon Craig (Vendraen)  
> wrote:
>
> So what options exist for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to 
> thumbies? That don't cost a fortune - $60-$70 per shifter seems just crazy 
> honestly. Is there anything more reasonable? 
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[RBW] Options for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

So what options exist for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies? 
That don't cost a fortune - $60-$70 per shifter seems just crazy honestly. 
Is there anything more reasonable?

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Re: [RBW] Bag options on an Albastache bar?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Dave - thanks so much! I'll do some measuring!

Also let me know how you like the different lever position! I'm intrigued!

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:08:25 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> I happen to be in the midst of an Albastache bike build and I test fit a 
> Chest and a Fanny. 
>
> Stem length is 70mm. Note that my brake lever position is not the 
> conventional 'stache placement but further back to allow brake access from 
> both forward leaning (on the hoods) and upright positions.
>
> Depending on your bar to tire distance you might want to keep the Mark's 
> rack to support the bottom of the bag. This bike has a VO canti mount rack 
> and there is ~12" from the center of the bar clamp to the highest portion 
> of the tire (~10" to the rack platform).  The seat post is high for 
> clamping in a work stand; saddle will end up about even with the bars.
>
> Going in to this exercise I figured the Chest would be overkill on a bike 
> like this, and I probably still lean that way, but it's growing on me.
>
> [image: PXL_20231110_194943840-chest-1024.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20231110_195003021-chest-profile-1024.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20231110_195515343_fanny-1024.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20231110_195639978-fanny-profile-1024.jpg]
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:11:21 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Another vote for a saddle bag, this time with a photo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 7:09 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Another vote for a saddle bag:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 7:05 PM Frank Brose  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use a Riv Banana bag. 
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 5:57:33 PM UTC-6 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is and old moustache bar build from several years ago but this 
>>>>> upcycled military surplus style small saddle bag worked great, both on 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> moustache bar as well as in the similar central ‘pocket’ of some 
>>>>> butterfly 
>>>>> trekking bars.  Same thing with the smaller VO Croissant bag pictured on 
>>>>> the saddle. 
>>>>>
>>>>>  I’m now using the same bag on a Chocomoose bar and it does snug up 
>>>>> better with the stick mount on the flat center of the Chocomoose than it 
>>>>> did with the dirt drop stem and moustache bar or trekking bar, since the 
>>>>> stick tends to hit the stem bolts, but the size and shape otherwise tuck 
>>>>> well into the curve of the moustache style bars.  Certainly not as roomy 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> some larger bags like a Ron’s Chest but no interference with the brakes 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> grips that I recall and the saddle loop strap spacing pretty much fits 
>>>>> within the same space.  Maybe if you have enough room to offset the bag 
>>>>> below the levers like I would with a tall frame you may have greater 
>>>>> clearance between a bigger bag and the grips/levers.  I just never tried 
>>>>> any bags larger than shown here with this setup, unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Cole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Patrick Moore  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of options if you use a saddlebag!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick "all rear loading all the time" Moore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 9:22 AM Jon Craig (Vendraen) <
>>>>>> modemm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm wondering what my options are for bags on an Albastache setup. 
>>>>>>> I currently have a Mark's rack with an Acorn Bags boxy Random, but I'd 
>>>>>>> rather run something like a Ron's Bikes Fabio's Chest. Has anyone done 
>>>>>>> this? Is it possible?!?!? :) 
>>>>>>>
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[RBW] Bag options on an Albastache bar?

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

So I'm wondering what my options are for bags on an Albastache setup. I 
currently have a Mark's rack with an Acorn Bags boxy Random, but I'd rather 
run something like a Ron's Bikes Fabio's Chest. Has anyone done this? Is it 
possible?!?!? :)

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[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Jon B]

I have been happy with three lightweight wheels Peter White built for me.

With my first rear wheel (Mavic Open Pro rim), as I left the shop he said, 
"It will never need truing."  I was skeptical, but over 20,000 miles later, 
it has never been touched by a spoke wrench.

Jon Blum

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:49:49 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> Thanks. I've heard of Sugar but didn't think of that, I'll look into them. 
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I had several nice wheels over the years, including some Rich built. I 
>> have to recommend Sugar wheel works. I had a set of SimWorks Stand-alone 
>> rims (Velocity Cliffhanger) with CX ray spokes MI5 rear hub and Son front 
>> and they were the nicest build I’ve ever seen by far. Great to work with 
>> and the price was much better than some other options as well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:56:10 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing. I do have a set of VO rims on a bike that I recently 
>>> acquired and like them so far. I've ridden on them throughout the summer 
>>> quite a bit. I like that they come in a polished finish but the highest 
>>> hole count is 36. I'm not sure how they will hold up just yet, but they 
>>> seem nice. Wish they did 'em in a 40h. I don't mind truing a wheel, and 
>>> have a truing stand, but I'd rather have a pro build the wheel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I almost always build my own wheels, but you cannot go wrong with 
>>>> either Rich Lesnik (Rivendell / Hands On Wheels) or Peter White. I have 
>>>> had 
>>>> wheels from both, and they were flawless. Not local to you though, west 
>>>> coast and east coast respectively.
>>>>
>>>> I use Velocity or Velo Orange rims; Phil Wood, White Industries, Paul, 
>>>> Curtis Odom or classic Campagnolo hubs (Nuovo Record or Tipo); and 
>>>> Wheelsmith (out of production but still out there) or Sapim spokes. Most 
>>>> of 
>>>> my wheels are now 40 and 48 spoke, but I do have quite a few 36 and even a 
>>>> couple 32s.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
>>>>> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should 
>>>>> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
>>>>> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>>>>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>>>>> The 
>>>>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>>>>> many 
>>>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub 
>>>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>>>>> 40 
>>>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud 
>>>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bike theft - check the lockup structure

[Jon Dukeman]

A new thing in Oakland..bike jacking like car- jacking only with high end
bikes.
No need to break the lock.
A sad state of affairs in this country.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 9:22 AM Ryan  wrote:

> I see you've posted about this as well. I guess I shouldn't be surprised
> that this is not a new phenomenon
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:11:56 AM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the PSA and reminder, Ryan!
>>
>> I’ve been discovering this attempt at racks here in the Bay Area, too.
>> This rack at Safeway has been loose/unsecured for over three years.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/xTgfxtcc9eE/m/5I6O40hJCAAJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> I actually noticed this in Winnipeg where I live. I rode my bike to a
>> bank in a fairly upscale mall and noticed that one of the lockup rings was
>> loose where it's bolted into the concrete. Other tricks; sawing through the
>> metal tubing of the structure itself and using tape of some sort to hide
>> it, etc.
>>
>> Don't be in such a hurry that you don't check whatever you're locking
>> your bike to.I know it's obvious but I just thought I'd pass this on
>>
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bike-theft-racks-pre-cut-winnipeg-1.6924819
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Re: [RBW] Orange Clem 59 (Sad Face emoji)

[Jon Dukeman]

Try contacting one of Riv dealer across the country. Find them on the web
site.Like
Hope Cyclery in PA.

On Sat, Jun 3, 2023, 12:33 PM Kiley Demond  wrote:

> Feeling a little crushed that I missed the sale on my dream bike...
>
> If anyone has (another) one they're willing to part with, please let me
> know...
>
> Clem L Orange 59
>
> Kiley
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Re: [RBW] Brooks B17 repair

[Jon Dukeman]

Firth & Wilson
(215) 644-8124
si...@transportcycle.com
Philadelphia, PA. 19148-2386
These people are fast and reasonably priced.
Jon

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:20 PM dougP  wrote:

> After years of good service, my Brooks B17 blew out the leather at the
> nose. Is there a North American source for repair? Any idea what this costs?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 38x24 Silver crankset, Albastache bars, Silver2 shifters + bar-end pods + thumb shift mounts

[Jon Dukeman]

Crank length:
Mine is 170.
Measured from center of crank bolt to center of pedal axle.

On Sun, Mar 5, 2023, 9:40 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> What’s the crank length?
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 3:38:11 PM UTC-5 jdyea...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I went down a Rivendell rabbit hole and tried out a bunch of stuff, but
>> I've decided to go a different direction. I've used all of these for just a
>> few rides, so they're basically as close to new as you can get.
>>
>> 38x24 Silver crankset
>> Nitto Albastache bars
>> Silver2 shifters x2
>> Silver bar-end pods x2
>> Silver thumb-shift mounts x2
>>
>> I'd love to ship all this out to one person if possible. All together, it
>> goes for ~$630 new. How about $500 shipped? Also accepting best offers
>> within reason.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josh
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Jon Freeman]

Hello,

I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.

The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 

Here's how it went:


*Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?

**he replies immediately**

*Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you to 
ask that?

*Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
for the price you're asking.


*I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
two messages.*

*Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx

*Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally appropriate 
and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to talk about it 
in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the listing. It’s 
hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious what someone 
posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said is. Is there 
any way you can forward me the significant part of that thread? I’d really 
appreciate it. Thx John


The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 

I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 


On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>
> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and scratches 
> but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay was bent, 
> but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back and fixed 
> it."
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>
> Well that's one way to put it! 
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>
>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned it. 
>> I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from the 
>> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, and 
>> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and the 
>> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
>> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
>> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>>
>> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
>> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: rear_full_3607.jpg]
>>
>> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL ad. 
>> Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>>
>> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Jon Richardson]

Rich - very good points!  initially I was thinking of a curved set, however
look at the various versions out in the market (including some nice
wooden ones), I am leaning towards a flat set.

George - wow, another perspective thing to think about, and I guess might
not be 100% known until the time the fenders are mounted if they are on the
larger side.  I am using the standard Shimano brakes that came with the
bike when new, so I will measure the opening with my micrometer when I have
the brake engaged.

I appreciate everyone jumping in and providing their experiences, thoughts,
pictures and all the factors one should consider!  This is a great group of
folks!

Jon

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 12:38 PM RichS  wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Which fenders you choose can make a difference. John's exquisite light
> blue Ram uses SKS fenders so there is no rolled edge between the tire and
> inside edge of the fender, hence a touch more space. If you go with a
> Berthoud, VO, or Honjo you will lose the little bit of wiggle room
> non-metal fenders can provide.
> Joe Bell could paint your Ram in a nice multi-stage orange too:-)
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:59:04 AM UTC-4 Jon Richardson wrote:
>
>> John - Did you order this with a custom color?  That is a really nice
>> light blue color you picked!  Thanks for the first hand account of
>> tires/rims and fender setups...added to the other responses and pictures,
>> this gives me a great first hand view of my options.  While I am not a
>> person who enjoys cold weather, I am trying to set my Ram up for either
>> type of riding...as well as use my trainer when preferred.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:18 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, Rambouillet.
>>>
>>> Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all
>>> its 18 years:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH
>>> 32mm Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32.
>>> BTW, rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>>>
>>> PS:  SKS P45
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM Jon Richardson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size
>>>> fits this frame?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the assist!
>>>> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Jon Richardson]

John - Did you order this with a custom color?  That is a really nice light
blue color you picked!  Thanks for the first hand account of tires/rims and
fender setups...added to the other responses and pictures, this gives me a
great first hand view of my options.  While I am not a person who enjoys
cold weather, I am trying to set my Ram up for either type of riding...as
well as use my trainer when preferred.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 1:18 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Ah, Rambouillet.
>
> Here's mine, vintage 2004. I'm the only caretaker, day-by-day for all its
> 18 years:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/50644206498/in/dateposted-public/
>
> This one happens to fit 32 mm under mudguards quite well—shod with RH 32mm
> Stampede Pass, Supple Vitesse @ 33mm, and now Conti 5000S also @ 32. BTW,
> rims are Mavic Open Pro. So steady and true ever since Day One.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / San Anselmo
>
> PS:  SKS P45
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM Jon Richardson 
> wrote:
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>> I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size
>> fits this frame?
>>
>> Thanks for the assist!
>> Jon
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[RBW] Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Jon Richardson]

I am looking to add a set of fenders to ride in wet weather, what size fits
this frame?

Thanks for the assist!
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[RBW] WTB: randoneur style bag for front rack

[Jon Freeman]

Hello!

 I just bought an early 2000's Quickbeam which I've added VO's Randonneur 
Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur. Does anyone have a bag for sale that  
would work with this rack? I'm also open to recommendations and opinions on 
what bag i should be looking at. I'm lusting over Fabio's Chest (lol) 
-small size- to give you an idea of what I'm imagining would work for me.

I want a bag that can carry some essentials for city commuting and  could 
also handle the extra item here or there in addition.

Thanks everyone,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[jon f.]

Hello, and thank you for posting this.

I was just about to order one to put on my, 'new to me' early aughts
quickbeam. I was curious on it's weight and how it would feel.

For years ( about a decade !) I had a Schwinn voyageur with the surly front
rack combo - ready to tour, ready to ferry an obscene amount of groceries
home. It was heavy and worth it; I'm also ready to move to something
lighter with my new quickbeam. Maybe a Nitto M1 or another minimal
cantilever attached front rack will be nice. Won't be able to haul as much,
but that's okay too!

Side tangent, but related: does anyone have a recommendation for a canti
front rack? I was looking at the one on VO - seems decent, but would love
to hear other people's opinions.



On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> As a non-front-rack guy (so why are you even posting, Joe??) I have no
> thoughts on that particular rack, but I DO have thoughts on total bike
> weight. When I had my custom designed, then added parts, I leaned towards
> as much lightness as I could safely get away with for the use. Lighter =
> easier/faster was a consideration, but the main goal wasn't for riding but
> moving the thing around. If it's a struggle to get up the steps to my house
> or load in the back of the car I'm going to be annoyed by that, the bike
> needs to be accessible in all ways. SO. If you're struggling to load it and
> can find a lighter/smaller rack to do the same job, I think this is the
> way.
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 2:00:17 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec?
>>
>> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it
>> on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its
>> utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the
>> unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This
>> Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the Basket
>> Rack is mostly to blame.
>>
>> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new
>> setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate.
>>
>> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the
>> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m
>> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been
>> anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else tried
>> it and disliked it?
>>
>> I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on the
>> front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not liking
>> that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking about THAT;
>> I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily heavy. Not
>> that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these pics.
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] YOUR BACK SHRINKING

[Jon Dukeman]

Yes getting old is a slippery slope.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 8:27 AM 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>  I USED TO RIDE ON DROP BARS . ONE TIME I NOTICED I WAS RIDING ON THE TOPS
> ONLY.  SO I CHANGED TO UP BARS ( 3 SPEED BARS ) . I HAD LOST 2-3 INCHES IN
> MY HEIGHT.
> I NOW RIDE A SMALLER BIKE .
> Charlie Petry JENERSVILLE PA
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

[Jon Dukeman]

The bike  shop I worked at would let you try out a saddle for a couple of
days or a week as long as it's returned in sellable shape. Discus your
experience with leather saddles and the sales person could help you select
one that works for you. A good time to establish a relationship with the
shop too if you buy a saddle from them.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 12:39 PM zem...@gmail.com  wrote:

> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle
> Anatomica.
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle.
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

[Jon Dukeman]

What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale

On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? It's
> gorgeous, somebody go get it!
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson
> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts . I
>> built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior commuter
>> better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local pickup only in
>> the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours with the bike
>> to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or so.
>>
>> Specs Below
>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>> Billie Bar
>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring.
>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>
>> I'm asking $2600.
>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>
>> Daniel MacPherson
>>
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Re: [RBW] Heat in the Bay

[Jon Dukeman]

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 99' in Colorado. 3 records broken

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 6:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You think "media" have it wrong and "these numbers have been exaggerated
> all week" ? I don't understand your implication here.
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:32:12 PM UTC-7 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:
>
>> Yes, 114 is extremely rare in the East Bay, but I live up in the hills of
>> the North Bay (Napa Valley) and while we were told by media that our high
>> was 112, my weather station under my covered front porch (shade) indicated
>> a high of 91 degrees.  I also did my 30 mile ride with a six mile climb at
>> 12.00 noon, and did not ‘feel’ like I was climbing in extreme heat.  These
>> numbers have been exaggerated all week, but maybe these are urban temps;
>> not rural.
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2022, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Just got a regular email from Will announcing bike frame availability
>>> among other things.  "Other things" include his comment that last Tuesday
>>> the temps reached 114 degrees!!?  Isn't that a rare temperature for the Bay
>>> area in NoCal?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Hoist recommendation needed

[Jon Dukeman]

I've been eyeing them too.


On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 2:36 PM Garth  wrote:

> Tie Boss looks like The Boss !   All you need above is 2 storage hooks
> screwed into solid wood. Great tip Jon !
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:05:59 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Can you just hook the rear hooks to the top of the rear wheel instead of
>> the seat?
>>
>> Or bend the rear hooks outward so that they only grab the seat rails? Or
>> put a tye-wrap (or two) around the seat rails and lift by the tye-wrap(s).
>>
>> Harbor freight has a version for $10. Sometimes their stuff works just
>> fine, and there are so many stores that you can usually go look at it
>> before you buy.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 9:41:57 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I have one a tower leaner bike rack in my 3 ft wide covered breezeway,
>>> where I store my bikes parallel to the wall, one bike on top hooks, one
>>> sitting on the floor.  The bottom handlebar sticks out, so I've learned to
>>> turn sideways to pass it.  The issue is there just isn't enough room or
>>> strength for me to pick up a bike and raise it to the top hooks.  I'm
>>> working on the strength part.
>>>
>>> I was thinking of getting a bike hoist system for the top bike to
>>> replace the leaner rack.  I'm not keen on the ones that hook on the
>>> saddle.  I could just see it poking holes thru my Brooks B68. Another
>>> option is to just use the hoist system to get the bike to the hooks on the
>>> rack and then release the pressure on the saddle.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have recommendations for a hoist that doesn't hook to the
>>> saddle?  I do not have any other room other than parallel to the wall to
>>> put the bikes.  I am not strong enough to lift the bikes to a ceiling
>>> hook.  Not enough room to have them perpendicular to the wall with hooks.
>>>
>>> Bikes are anywhere from 28-35 pounds loaded and each gets ridden at
>>> least once a week.  Budget is $50-100, but would spend more for a great
>>> solution.  (Right now, my "top" bike is parked in my living room.).  I have
>>> one A Homer Hilsen (most likely for top position since its a diamond frame)
>>> Platypus mixte and another grocery getter/commuter mixte.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberta
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Hoist recommendation needed

[Jon Dukeman]

tieboss.com

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 1:18 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> Google ...Tie Boss. no  ratchets
> Easy to operate.
> Watch video
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 7:42 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I have one a tower leaner bike rack in my 3 ft wide covered breezeway,
>> where I store my bikes parallel to the wall, one bike on top hooks, one
>> sitting on the floor.  The bottom handlebar sticks out, so I've learned to
>> turn sideways to pass it.  The issue is there just isn't enough room or
>> strength for me to pick up a bike and raise it to the top hooks.  I'm
>> working on the strength part.
>>
>> I was thinking of getting a bike hoist system for the top bike to replace
>> the leaner rack.  I'm not keen on the ones that hook on the saddle.  I
>> could just see it poking holes thru my Brooks B68. Another option is to
>> just use the hoist system to get the bike to the hooks on the rack and then
>> release the pressure on the saddle.
>>
>> Does anyone have recommendations for a hoist that doesn't hook to the
>> saddle?  I do not have any other room other than parallel to the wall to
>> put the bikes.  I am not strong enough to lift the bikes to a ceiling
>> hook.  Not enough room to have them perpendicular to the wall with hooks.
>>
>> Bikes are anywhere from 28-35 pounds loaded and each gets ridden at least
>> once a week.  Budget is $50-100, but would spend more for a great
>> solution.  (Right now, my "top" bike is parked in my living room.).  I have
>> one A Homer Hilsen (most likely for top position since its a diamond frame)
>> Platypus mixte and another grocery getter/commuter mixte.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Hoist recommendation needed

[Jon Dukeman]

Google ...Tie Boss. no  ratchets
Easy to operate.
Watch video
Jon

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 7:42 AM Roberta  wrote:

> I have one a tower leaner bike rack in my 3 ft wide covered breezeway,
> where I store my bikes parallel to the wall, one bike on top hooks, one
> sitting on the floor.  The bottom handlebar sticks out, so I've learned to
> turn sideways to pass it.  The issue is there just isn't enough room or
> strength for me to pick up a bike and raise it to the top hooks.  I'm
> working on the strength part.
>
> I was thinking of getting a bike hoist system for the top bike to replace
> the leaner rack.  I'm not keen on the ones that hook on the saddle.  I
> could just see it poking holes thru my Brooks B68. Another option is to
> just use the hoist system to get the bike to the hooks on the rack and then
> release the pressure on the saddle.
>
> Does anyone have recommendations for a hoist that doesn't hook to the
> saddle?  I do not have any other room other than parallel to the wall to
> put the bikes.  I am not strong enough to lift the bikes to a ceiling
> hook.  Not enough room to have them perpendicular to the wall with hooks.
>
> Bikes are anywhere from 28-35 pounds loaded and each gets ridden at least
> once a week.  Budget is $50-100, but would spend more for a great
> solution.  (Right now, my "top" bike is parked in my living room.).  I have
> one A Homer Hilsen (most likely for top position since its a diamond frame)
> Platypus mixte and another grocery getter/commuter mixte.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[Jon Dukeman]

Where in Ohio?

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your “hot
> and sticky” Bellingham summers :)
>
> I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was reading
> and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. This year,
> I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town roads and
> paths. That was a good experience.
>
>
> Eric
> Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
>> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward
>> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and
>> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a chore.
>> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet
>> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve
>> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others
>> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work
>> through it.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] (*)osco bar hand positions

[Jon Dukeman]

Kevin
I have two bikes with 58 Boscos.
Gripping the bar in your circled area is uncomfortable because my bell and
shifter interfere with my right forearm.
For me the only place to grip is the flat area near the stem. And I never
grip that area .I have long stems and Its too much of a stretch for me.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 10:01 AM Kevin  wrote:

> Any riders of the Bosco and its myriad offshoots able to comment on how
> many/what kind of hand positions are available?
>
> Any general comments are welcome, but I am particularly interested in the
> circled portion of the bar in the attached photo. Is it usable or is there
> just too much rise going on at that section of the bar? Maybe the Losco
> differs a bit from the others in this area?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Crank Repair Advice

[Jon Dukeman]

They used to sell a kit with the drill for the helicoil, helicoil tap and
the helicoil.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 12:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> A good bike shop should be able to drill out the crank, tap the crank with
> helicoil tap  install a helicoil with loctite and reinstall your pedal.
> Good as new.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 12:33 PM Gill  wrote:
>
>> Last fall through my own dumbassness I stripped the drive side (silver)
>> crank on my Clem. LBS tapped/threaded insert put the pedal back on and off
>> I went with no problems since. I recently asked a bike mechanic if he
>> thought this was a good, permanent solution and he said, “Dude, if it was
>> me I’d definitely get a new crank” (said with a slightly raised eyebrow  so
>> I’d know he was serious). So in deciding what to do if anyone here has
>> experience with this sort of thing or a reasoned opinion I’d be grateful to
>> hear it.
>>
>> Decision factors to consider:
>> I check often and pedal looks/feels fine.
>> Keeping stuff out of landfills worthy goal
>> Depedaling (is that a word?) was painful want to avoid going forward.
>> New cranks don’t come easy
>>
>> Questions:
>> How confident should I be with a repair?
>> Will changing out pedals compromise?
>> Should I have machine shop redo lbs repair, assuming skilled machinist
>> with sophisticated machinery will produce best result?
>> Should I just get a new crank?
>> Thanks
>> Gill
>> Gloucester MA
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Crank Repair Advice

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A good bike shop should be able to drill out the crank, tap the crank with
helicoil tap  install a helicoil with loctite and reinstall your pedal.
Good as new.


On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 12:33 PM Gill  wrote:

> Last fall through my own dumbassness I stripped the drive side (silver)
> crank on my Clem. LBS tapped/threaded insert put the pedal back on and off
> I went with no problems since. I recently asked a bike mechanic if he
> thought this was a good, permanent solution and he said, “Dude, if it was
> me I’d definitely get a new crank” (said with a slightly raised eyebrow  so
> I’d know he was serious). So in deciding what to do if anyone here has
> experience with this sort of thing or a reasoned opinion I’d be grateful to
> hear it.
>
> Decision factors to consider:
> I check often and pedal looks/feels fine.
> Keeping stuff out of landfills worthy goal
> Depedaling (is that a word?) was painful want to avoid going forward.
> New cranks don’t come easy
>
> Questions:
> How confident should I be with a repair?
> Will changing out pedals compromise?
> Should I have machine shop redo lbs repair, assuming skilled machinist
> with sophisticated machinery will produce best result?
> Should I just get a new crank?
> Thanks
> Gill
> Gloucester MA
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

[Jon Dukeman]

Siris is good if you have fenders.
Only weighs 25lb

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:38 AM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> Depending on your vehicle
> Siris. Freedom 2 .
> It's a hitch rack.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 7:30 AM katherine Evanskbe 
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>> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot?
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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

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Depending on your vehicle
Siris. Freedom 2 .
It's a hitch rack.

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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Jon Dukeman]

I happy it turned so good
Thanks for sharing.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 4:31 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We had our Rivendell Ride today, and I was so happy that we had 10
> riders! We rode the KalHaven Trail, a rail trail that spans the 34 miles
> between Kalamazoo and South Haven. Eight of the ten riders brought
> Rivendells, most had seen a lot of miles. The oldest bike was the ‘97 or
> ‘98 orange Custom, and the newest was my 2020 Platypus.
>
> Here is the lineup, alphabetized:
> 2 Appaloosas
> 1 Atlantis (in custom green paint)
> 1 Custom orange Rivendell
> 1 Homer
> 1 Hunq
> 1 Platypus
> 1 Quickbeam
>
> And one Nobilette and a Soma mixte.
>
> It was great weather and good company, and we continued our fellowship at
> a local brewery post-ride. It was nice for Marc and me to meet everyone in
> real life and admire their bikes. We are planning our next ride for fall
> colors on the White Pine Trail. I bet it’s as pretty as it sounds.
>
> Photos in the next post, so wacky Google Groups doesn’t get the
> opportunity to turn all my photos sideways.
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 61 cm Atlantis, metallic brown, Waterford built, loaded, $2950 plus packing and shipping

[Jon Dukeman]

Someone is going to get a REALLY nice bike.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 10:06 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> That is a very pretty bike! Love the color. Not my size and I also have
> more bikes than I need.
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 5:49:14 AM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> bump before the weekend. $2850 plus packing and shipping. I'm including
>> racks, dyno lights, saddle, etc. The frame is a great color, and it's in
>> great shape. I just have too many bikes. First-world problem, I know.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> frame:61 cm, Waterford built, painted a metallic
>>> brown
>>>
>>> headset:FSA
>>>
>>> stem:  Nitto Technomic
>>>
>>> bars:   Simworks Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm, Oury grips
>>> and Newbaum’s brown tape
>>>
>>> shifters: Ene Wing Shifter, Diacompe
>>>
>>> brake levers: Diacompe Gran Compe
>>>
>>> brakes:   Diacompe cantilvers
>>>
>>> crankset:   Silver triple
>>>
>>> front derailer:   Shimano Claris
>>>
>>> rear derailer:Shimano Deore XT
>>>
>>> rims:   Velocity Dyad, 36 spokes
>>>
>>> tires:   Teravail Rampart, 700 x 42c
>>>
>>> rear hub:   Shimano hub
>>>
>>> front hub:  Schmidt Son 28
>>>
>>> saddle:   Brooks B17 Special
>>>
>>> seatpost Nitto S83
>>>
>>> pedals:   MKS Sylvan
>>>
>>> kickstand   included
>>>
>>> front rack: Nitto mini-front rack, 32F
>>>
>>> front light: Schmidt Edelux II – Ano
>>>
>>> rear rack:   Nitto Big Back Rack, 33R
>>>
>>> rear light:  Busch & Muller
>>>
>>> fenders: SKS
>>>
>>> link to photos:
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GhkT1e7ucvHvs2aV9
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Platypus Mods

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks...i found it at Rib.
Jon

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 9:28 PM Richard Borneman  wrote:

> Kate, the bars are wide Boscos. Jon, the rack is a Nitto Basket rack.
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 9:35:21 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:04 PM David Person  wrote:
>>
>>> Though not identical, a SimWorks Obento rack is similar.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who makes the front rack?
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 3:52 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making
>>>>> some changes on my Platy.
>>>>>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719
>>>>> rims. New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to
>>>>> hold the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake
>>>>> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and 
>>>>> I've
>>>>> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
>>>>> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B tail light and fenders. V.O
>>>>> 63mm fluted.
>>>>> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
>>>>> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland
>>>>> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
>>>>> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the
>>>>> bell to the stem.
>>>>> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image:
>>>>> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Platypus Mods

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Thank you!

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 7:04 PM David Person  wrote:

> Though not identical, a SimWorks Obento rack is similar.
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Who makes the front rack?
>> Jon
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 3:52 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>>
>>> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making some
>>> changes on my Platy.
>>>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719
>>> rims. New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to
>>> hold the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake
>>> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and I've
>>> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
>>> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B tail light and fenders. V.O
>>> 63mm fluted.
>>> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
>>> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland
>>> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
>>> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the
>>> bell to the stem.
>>> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
>>> Richard
>>> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image:
>>> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus Mods

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What is the front rack?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:53 PM 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Beautiful additions.  The bar wrap is superb!!!  I have some temporary
> black wrap on mine until I finalize my bar choice. I have the Nitto Choco
> on currently.  Might want a bit of a rise and sweep so I'm still
> considering others.  What kind do you have on yours?
> I have both the front and rear lights and they are a real treat.  I never
> even think of bringing my lights in to charge anymore.
> Happy riding
> Kate, Trenton, NJ
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-4 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Last Saturday was rainy around here. I spent most of the day making some
>> changes on my Platy.
>>  Swapped out the wheels, Schmidt front, White ind. rear, Mavic A719 rims.
>> New tires, Soma Vitesse 700x42's. Added Paul cross levers. I like to hold
>> the bars in the center going downhill and feel a lot safer with brake
>> levers under my hands. Lots of deer in the State park where I ride and I've
>> almost had a couple collisions on downhills.
>> I installed lights. Eldelux 2 front, B tail light and fenders. V.O 63mm
>> fluted.
>> Took me most of the day but it turned out pretty good. Photos attached.
>> Took her out for a ride on Sunday. Picked up a dozen ears of Maryland
>> sweet corm. The more I ride this bike, the more I like it.
>> Before and after shots of the bars. Added Ergon grips too. Moved the bell
>> to the stem.
>> I like to hold the bars forward of the shifters sometimes.
>> Richard
>> [image: IMG_3396.JPG][image: IMG_3391.JPG][image: IMG_3394.JPG][image:
>> IMG_3395.JPG][image: IMG_3397.JPG]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

[Jon Dukeman]

I think you have gotten your money's worth on this one.
Jon

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 6:44 PM J J  wrote:

> Thanks, Aaron and Jon. I appreciate your suggestions!
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 8:39:46 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wald baskets are made of steel and zinc plated.
>> Suggest removing your basket and mix 50/50 water and white vinegar and
>> scrub affected area with steel wool.
>> Rinse and spray paint with black primer / top coat Rustoleum.
>> If rust is too much then find a new inexpensive 139 on line. I saw one
>> for 19.99.
>> I painted my basket and the paint has held up well. I touch up as needed.
>> Jon
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 4:41 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> One option might be Analog’s cerakoted baskets.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 14:09, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same
>>> size as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the
>>> rusting has gotten too much.
>>>
>>> Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some
>>> sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?
>>>
>>> Thanks very much.
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Re: [RBW] Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

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Wald baskets are made of steel and zinc plated.
Suggest removing your basket and mix 50/50 water and white vinegar and
scrub affected area with steel wool.
Rinse and spray paint with black primer / top coat Rustoleum.
If rust is too much then find a new inexpensive 139 on line. I saw one for
19.99.
I painted my basket and the paint has held up well. I touch up as needed.
Jon

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 4:41 PM  wrote:

> One option might be Analog’s cerakoted baskets.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Jul 11, 2022, at 14:09, J J  wrote:
>
> Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same size
> as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the
> rusting has gotten too much.
>
> Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some
> sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?
>
> Thanks very much.
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Re: [RBW] Supernova E3 pro2...but dont want to run the rear light?

[Jon Dukeman]

Contact :
Peter White Bicycles.
Very "lighting" knowledgeable great customer service 
Peterwhitecycles.com

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 1:51 PM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Lighting is one area that completely baffles me. Well, anything involving
> electricity for that matter, so I generally rely on those with more
> experience lest I end up cooking myself or the electronics.
>
> Here's what I have on hand to work with. SP SV-8 front hub, Supernova E3 2
> pro front light, Nitto rack or equivalent, rechargeable rear LED of some
> sort. Fork has provisions for internal wiring hub to light, frame has no
> considerations.
>
> Most of my riding is during daylight. When I need a light, it will
> primarily be off road and for purposes of seeing, not being seen. I have
> several extremely capable rechargeable rear lights for use when needed, so
> I don't want to permanently route cables to the back of the bike. That
> said, the E3 light has dedicated rear wiring I need to deal with. Can the
> rear wires be "unplugged" or are they soldered in? I don't want to ruin the
> light by clipping them off. I know they're not absolutely needed for the
> front to operate since I've never had a rear light attached and it worked
> great.
>
> Any better wisdom on dealing with the wiring? Am I better off ditching the
> E3 and going with a "simpler" front only model? If that's the case, any
> recommendations for something that would suit the need, preferably in
> silver?
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Re: [RBW] Re: That new rear derailer

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Not sure if this is the answer you are looking for.
I removed my 9 spd Altus and replaced it with a 9spd Shimano XT rapid rise
derailuer. I'm using Microshift 9 speed indexing thumb shifters that work
great with11- 36 cassette Front derailuer is friction. Silver 38×24 cranks
I did not have to do anything to the chain length.
I really like having front & rear shifters move the same way for high and
low gears.

On Wed, May 4, 2022, 11:23 AM Corwin  wrote:

> Not to belabor the point - but...
>
> My question was not "Will the new derailer index?". My question was "How
> many people that disdain rapid rise have actually tried it?" Based on my
> experience using drivetrain components not matched [or not quite matched]
> for each other, I am not likely to try indexing on a derailer not
> specifically designed to index. I do think rapid rise is unfairly maligned.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:33:09 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> iamkeith followed up, saying: "I wish I could find the old Blahg or
>> Peeking through the Knothole or Reader article where they were tossing
>> around the idea of the reversible spring.  It seemed so genius and simple
>> to me.   Though I suspect you're right - it probably wasn't simple at all."
>>
>> I think the idea of a reversible action rear derailer would be super
>> cute.  As a feature it's a strong 'nice to have'.  The problem is that you
>> can't achieve that feature with a normal Cable+return spring mechanism
>> unless the derailer itself is made up of parts that can be disassembled and
>> reassembled.  If we made that feature (reversibility) a "MUST HAVE", then
>> the way to achieve it would be to ditch the traditional mechanism.  We'd
>> design a desmodrmic actuation method.  This means we actively move it in
>> both directions and there is no return spring.  Old french rear derailers,
>> made famous by Bicycle Quarterly had a continuous loop of cable actuating
>> the rear der.  You could take your 1950's Rene Herse and give it a SICK
>> Grant Pedersen flavor by reinstalling the cable in a figure 8: now it's
>> Rapid Rise Rene!  Alternatively, one could fashion a hydraulic actuation
>> method that pushes the RD in each direction.  It's trivial to insert a
>> control valve that flips this flow and makes it Rapid Rise Hydro!
>>
>> Either one would be fun projects.  I've got pretty copious design notes
>> on both of the above.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:49:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith asked one question and then implied a second question by
 stating a wonder.
 The question:

>>>
>>> I don't always do as good of a Job as Bill at making the message-posting
>>> sequence as clear as Bill does, but my message - and rhetorical query of my
>>> own - was mostly meant as a response to Corwin's question.  My point was
>>> that I too suspect indexing might actually work for those who want it -
>>> though there's no way I could know for sure yet.   I was just hoping
>>> somebody might.   My other point was that I agree with Corwin saying that
>>> there's absolutely nothing to "hate" about rapid-rise.   But both options
>>> are still nice to have.  Horses for courses.
>>>
>>>
>>>  A convertible Rivendell RD would achieve what?  It would allow people
 who love Rivendell but hate RapidRise to spend extra money on a Rivendell
 RD, but flip it back to work the same as a cheap Shimano Altus that is
 already awesome.  I don't see any point in that.


>>> Well, to me, it would offer an option to continue getting what will be
>>> presumably HIGH-quality and presumably polished silver,  normal-rise
>>> derailleurs - as opposed to
>>> perfectly-functional-but-cheap-and-not-attractive Altus derailleurs - which
>>> could help me keep my old (and new) bikes running with my preferred 7, 8
>>> and 9 speed drivetrains.  I've long since tired of cruising ebay, looking
>>> for obsolete parts, but I like what I like.  It would be wonderful to have
>>> a new and in-productcion option available.  And "yes," supporting Riv would
>>> just makes it that much better.  Not saying I won't buy one or more anyway
>>> - just daydreaming out loud.
>>>
>>> I wish I could find the old Blahg or Peeking through the Knothole or
>>> Reader article where they were tossing around the idea of the reversible
>>> spring.  It seemed so genius and simple to me.   Though I suspect you're
>>> right - it probably wasn't simple at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



 On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:30:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Is there a reason this derailleur couldn't be used with index shifters
> if someone was so inclined?  Grant said they copied the parallelogram
> geometry from Shimano.  I assumed that meant it had a 1.66:1 cable pull
> ratio, so any index shifter up through 

Re: [RBW] Do the Sam Hillborne and Platypus have the same clearances?

[Jon Dukeman]

Ray
I have a 58 Canti Sam & a 55 Platty.
I run 700x 40C knobbys on the Sam and sometimes Little Big Ben's.  I've run
Schwalbe g-one alrounders too all about 40mm wide or 1.5"
The 55 Platty I run 28 x 2 Schwalbe G1 extra grip knobbys or sometimes
Schwalbe Big Bens
Each about 50 mm wide.
Issues with clearance is at the chain stays on the Sam trying to fit the
28x 2s
My best answer is the 700C tires on the Sam will fit on the Platty but my
tires on the Platty will not clear
the 700C Sam. 700c & 28 are interchangeable.
I have v brakes on the Platty. Cantilevers on the Sam. No fenders.
I have not tried to interchange tires I just took measurements at the chain
stays.
Hope this helps.
Jon

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 10:51 AM Ray Varella  wrote:

> Specifically, do they each fit the same size tires?
> Rivendell is generally conservative with tire sizing on their frames.
> Does anyone have a current Sam and Platypus to compare?
>
> Thank you
> Ray
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[RBW] Re: Owahee Trail

[Jon Mundell]

Makes me miss home. Apoxee was the last ride I did in Florida before moving 
to NC. Small world. 

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> I have been riding a lot lately on the Owahee and Apoxee trails instead of 
> the levees lately. I really, really need to clean the Protoveloosa, it is 
> getting a thick coating of limerock dust. I finally ran into some gators on 
> the trail on Saturday, last week it was huge feral hogs. I have been a 
> little too cautious to get picture of the gators (requires detaching the 
> phone from the handlebars) - one was about 50' to the left of the trail 
> napping in the sun, the other was only 20' to the right, these were both 
> big - 10'+.  I did ride the levee on Sunday, saw a single Pink Flamingo. I 
> may have to start carrying a separate camera in a handlebar bag.
> Wooden bridge just off the Owahee trail:
> [image: 4-9 1.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hunqapillar on Monumental Loop

[Jon Dukeman]

Wow! Thanks for sharing.
Lots of fun.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022, 7:32 AM WETH  wrote:

> I spent a few days with a friend exploring Las Cruces, NM and the northern
> half of the Monument Loop 2.0 (
> https://bikepacking.com/routes/monumental-loop/).  I rode my Hunqapillar
> and found it equal to the task.  The Monumental Loop contains paved roads,
> paved bike paths, gravel paths, dirt roads of varying quality, single
> track, and sections of hike-a-bike trails.  I find the desert therapeutic,
> especially in early spring!  The camping spots we found were beautiful and
> remote. We divided the northern half of the loop into three 45ish mile
> days, which was the perfect pace at which to enjoy the scenery, to eat
> meals in a few of towns we passed through, and to insure remote camping
> spots.
>
> Photo of the Hunqapillar here:
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March/i-JwThrQ3/A
>
> More highlight photos of the trip here on Instagram:
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CbuahSlu6FA/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CbxCEBbuTbw/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> All the photos from the trip here on SmugMug:
>
> https://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Family/2022/Monumental-Loop--March
>
> Hoping everyone can enjoy their favorite type of riding in 2022!
>
> Erl
>
> Kensington, MD
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Re: [RBW] Other uses for air compressor?

[Jon Dukeman]

Blowing off the decreasing fluid from the bike parts you just cleaned.
Blowing out the filter of your shop vac.
Hooking up a paint gun assembly.
Setting up a sand blaster

On Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 4:37 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> I’m gearing up for experimenting with tubeless tires per the Analog guide,
> so I just bought a an air compressor with appropriate inflation
> attachments. It’s obviously great for keeping my tires topped up, but I’m
> wondering if it has other clever uses. Blowing out grit I guess, and drying
> stuff off — anything else?
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] Front Range Riv Riders? Atlantis curious in Boulder

[Jon Dukeman]

Lance
Is Front Range Riv Riders a Club?
I live in Larkspur but all my rides start at Reynolds Landing behind
Breckenridge Brewing Company. Love riding to Big Dry Creek to Highline.
I have a Sam, Platypus, and. Cheviot.
Best
Jon Dukeman

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 9:19 AM Lance Terry  wrote:

> Hi Christian, I'm down in Littleton. I just finished up an Atlantis build.
> It's a 62cm however,  but you're welcome to give it a try. We can probably
> move stuff around enough to make it ridable for you to at least give you an
> idea. I have a 60 Platypus also that's a lot of fun. I have to travel this
> week but maybe sometime after that we can get together.
> Lance
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I don't know how you'd define "a few hours," but I'm in Omaha, NE and
>> have a 59cm. If for some strange reason you found yourself in town, you'd
>> be more than welcome to give it a spin. I'm confident, though, that you'll
>> encounter one a little closer to home.
>>
>> Ben in Omaha.
>>
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:10:31 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell likes to put people in the MAX size possible. With the
>>> expanded geometry I am almost always at the top of one size and the very
>>> bottom of another.  Rivendell has suggested the larger sizes but time has
>>> shown me that I prefer to be at the top of a size vs the bottom contrary to
>>> what they would push for me.  It looks like you might be exactly the same
>>> with the Atlantis frame. A PBH of 89.5 is the minimum size that that they
>>> would recommend for the 59 which would put you at the very bottom for that
>>> size and at the top for the 55.  That makes it tricky and a lot will come
>>> down to personal preference. I hope you can find a good source for a try
>>> out!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am still new here but I suspect you will get a lot of folks
>>>> suggesting you depend on & trust the advice on fit that is available just
>>>> from talking to the folks at Riv. They will not steer you wrong. Of course
>>>> there is nothing wrong with riding first if the opportunity presents 
>>>> itself.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 21, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Christian B-H a wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All-
>>>>
>>>> A Riv admirer from afar since 2019 thanks to my Rivspirational Uncle
>>>> Andy in SF. Grant's Bluhgs and Riv-stuff kept me mostly sane from 2019 till
>>>> now and influenced my decision to get a steel "gravel" bike with bigger
>>>> tires over carbon.  I had a chance in July 2021 to  go to Walnut Creek, and
>>>> my wife and friends who joined will attest I was like a kid in a candy
>>>> shop. I remember glancing over at Grant who was practicing laps on the
>>>> long-stemmed, mini cycle with James, and then looking back at Antonio, who
>>>> had Grant's Appaloosa in hand and saying, "Really? I can *ride HIS
>>>> bike?*" (photo below- Me with Friend in Hat clarifying with Antonio.
>>>> My wife in the background experiencing the Riv magic).
>>>>
>>>> [image: 1866700f-dbed-4501-9ad3-abec74f90665.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> That day however I left with one thought in mind: Jame's Atlantis was
>>>> the smoothest, best feeling bike I've ever ridden. Even if it was a size or
>>>> so too small.
>>>>
>>>> So, looking to determine what *size* Atlantis I'd be ahead of this
>>>> next order, my question for this group is: *Is there anyone within a a
>>>> few hours of Boulder, CO with a 55-60cm Atlantis who'd be willing to let me
>>>> test ride? *
>>>>
>>>> I *think *I've seen at least one Atlantis in the wild here, and I *know
>>>> *I've seen a few other Riv's around here...I'd love the opportunity to
>>>> ride an Atlantis again before buying to help figure out sizing (I know PBH
>>>> (89), calling to discuss, email etc. I've done it. I just want to see if I
>>>> should go 55 or 59  based on feel, and experience the ride one more time to
>>>> see which bike I may have to get rid of to help the purchase along).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Christian Beitel-Horton in Boulder, CO
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[Jon Dukeman]

That's a beautiful build Hugh!!!


On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 7:29 PM Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Howdy Atlantis Folks,
>
> Been a while but I'm finally ready to show my Orange'Lantis off. Finished
> the build last night and took it for a spin on the LA River MUP today and
> did a little photo shoot. Beautiful day all and all. Not sure the Map
> Ahearn bars will stay but here it is in all it's Orangey glory.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmX5PDmW
>
> Hugh
>
> On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 10:40:49 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Hi Rivy Peps,
>>
>> There's a lotta love for many of the Riv models out there and rightly so
>> but I think the flagship model born from the original all-rounder needs
>> some attention. So in that spirit let's see you Atlantis. Extra points for
>> close-up pictures of your cockpit and other details like wheels, but we of
>> course want to see a nice portrait too!
>>
>> Let's have some fun!
>>
>> Hugh Smiitham
>> Los Angeles, CA
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Re: [RBW] If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

[Jon Dukeman]

Have you tried Crust Bikes for those lights?
Crustbikes.com

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 2:48 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Shipping is very expensive.  I have a hard tine justifying paying more for
> shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get.  If there are others in
> this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.
>
> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a front
> light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash mode.
> My Koma lights seem to last longer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Altus!

[Jon Dukeman]

I have 3 Rivendell bikes with Altus r derailleur.
It handles the 9spd w/ 12-36 cassette with ease on my Platypus. It's my
favorite derailleur. A derailleur before it's time with large jockey wheels.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022, 8:54 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:

> Interesting that this came up. I have a brand new Altus that I have been
> debating about using on my upcoming build.  I was pushed into "yes do it"
> when I saw that Rivendell had put them on some Gus and Susie builds. If
> they put a $20 part on a $2000 frame then I should give it a shot.
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:46:39 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> High praise indeed!
>>
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/02/09/the-smoothness-of-friction/#more-8766
>>
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Re: [RBW] Favorite 26" tires

[Jon Dukeman]

Contact your bike shop they can get tires made to use on a trainer. Save
your good tires for the road


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022, 6:20 PM Lynn Haas  wrote:

> I moved to Iowa this year, and am experiencing my first Iowa winter. I
> never expected to spend this much time on a trainer. I even signed up for
> Zwift. Why is there a bike path inside a volcano?
>
> Anyway, my Panaracer Paselas have a weird spot where the casing joins that
> goes thunk-thunk-thunk on the rollers. It's driving me nuts. I don't want
> to put a trainer tire on the bike. I want to believe that I'm going to go
> ride outside again sometime before the end of time.
>
> What are the favored 26 inch road-ish tire favorites these days? I have
> had and disliked Schwalbes. My last set of Marathon Supremes picked up an
> ungodly array of laceration-inducing, afternoon-ruining, sharp objects. I
> was quite pleased with the Panaracers until I started riding inside. My
> downstairs neighbors are probably unhappy with the thunk-thunk-thunk, too.
> It definitely scares the cat. I'm on an MUSA Atlantis and could go up to
> about 40mm with my fender setup. Ideas?
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Re: [RBW] Re: My new Clem in Seoul

[Jon Dukeman]

Marcus
Like your build . Very
Clean
Jon

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 10:56 AM Max S  wrote:

> That purple bar tape goes well with the frame color! I miss visiting
> Korea... Didn't seem like much of a bike scene there, except for a large
> number of mini-velos I'd see inside of buildings and on campuses. How's the
> riding?
>
> - Max " 'bap and beef knee garlic soup? you have my number" in A2
>
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:19:14 PM UTC-5 marcusg...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Looking at all the Clems in this group helped with my long wait for mine
>> to arrive in South Korea. So here are some pics of my Clem for you!
>>
>> [image: 20220127_070825.jpg][image: 20220127_154821.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Jon Dukeman]

Zoom in with thumb & fore finger

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 10:28 AM Jon Dukeman  wrote:

> My Surly. I'll look for better pics
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 9:39 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can
>> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars,
>> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a
>> decaf espresso type.
>>
>> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black
>> components?
>>
>> With gratitude,
>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Jon Dukeman]

Eric
I grew up in Galion..near Mansfield

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Jon, I’m in Plain City, just NW of Columbus.
>
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, Jon Dukeman 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric
>> Where in Ohio are you?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle
>>> up!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have
>>>> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up in
>>>> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing.
>>>>
>>>> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels
>>>> weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding and
>>>> empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on my
>>>> Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>>>>
>>>> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell
>>>> friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 藍
>>>>
>>>> Sorry!
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While we’re going "arg!"...
>>>> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be
>>>> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her
>>>> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
>>>> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their
>>>> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>>>>
>>>> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to
>>>> be a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
>>>> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or
>>>> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>>>>
>>>> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
>>>> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
>>>> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c
>>>> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550
>>>> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
>>>> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a
>>>> bell.
>>>> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>>>>
>>>> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding
>>>> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>>>>
>>>> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590
>>>> crank and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike,
>>>> thinner tubing, lighter crank.
>>>>
>>>> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next
>>>> time at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie v. Clem Help Me Off The Fence

[Jon Dukeman]

Eric
Where in Ohio are you?

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 3:47 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Leah, you picked a lovely time of the year to move to Michigan! Bundle up!
>
> Eric
> in Ohio, but who ends up in MI all to frequently
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:34 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> I know…big missed opportunity on my part - I absolutely should have
>> weighed those bikes but I was like a kid at Christmas and got caught up in
>> the shiny new bike excitement. Totally forgot about weighing the thing.
>>
>> Someone mentioned (was it this thread?) about knowing how a bike feels
>> weight-wise, and that’s true. I can tell the difference between adding and
>> empty Saddlesack or not. I can probably tell the new seat post I put on my
>> Platy is heavier if I go lift that bike right now.
>>
>> I’m moving to Michigan in 3 weeks. Here’s hoping I make some Rivendell
>> friends in my new state who will keep me accountable for this stuff! 藍
>>
>> Sorry!
>> L
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 9:34 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>> While we’re going "arg!"...
>> A number of threads have asked, and one of the questions could be
>> answered just by hanging a bike on the scale at your LBS.
>>
>> I was hoping Leah would weigh Peppermint Platy before and after her
>> build, but I guess that’s OBE.
>> How about somebody go weigh their Clem, and somebody go weigh their
>> Gus/Susie, and somebody go weigh their Platypus - and report back?
>>
>> Whether bike weight actually makes a difference or not, there seems to be
>> a conspiracy about not reporting Rivendell bike weights.
>> We’ve had people talk about getting them up a flight of stairs, or
>> hanging them on a rack, but nobody actually puts out a number.
>>
>> I’ll start.  Here’s mine:
>> 2015 Sam, size 55, as supplied by Rivendell:
>> Bar end shifters, Suguino XD2 triple crank, FD-3030 front, Atlas 700c
>> wheels, Conti SpeedRide tubed tires, Shimano RD-M591 rear, Shimano R550
>> levers, Tektro R-559 brakes, cork grips.
>> Add a Serfas RX-921V saddle, Blackspire pedals, Zefal fenders, and a bell.
>> 29 pounds, 3 oz
>>
>> Add a Blackburn EX-1 rack and BCC 12.12 computer and my typical riding
>> weight comes in a just a smidge under 30.5 pounds.
>>
>> A Homer, size 51, set up exactly the same way except Deore FC-M590 crank
>> and FD-M610 derailleur came in at 29 pounds 14 oz.  Smaller bike, thinner
>> tubing, lighter crank.
>>
>> It’s not a Susie or a Clem or a Platy, but it is a data point.  Next time
>> at your LBS, take one minute and have them weigh your bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Switching hosts for this forum?

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks Jim for all your hard work to keep it going

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 7:55 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> Thanks for asking, Eric - at this point, it's a "known Known" and is
> unlikely to be changed, barring Google dropping the entire Groups format.
>
> Despite drawbacks and quirks, it provides decent bandwidth with a minimum
> of management and zero out of pocket cost. I've hosted, managed and run
> Listservs, BBS's and their related offspring over the years and none of
> them are without hassle.
>
> The attachment size for photos into Google Groups has been 25 MB for some
> time now. Yeah... but the other option is to set up a nice photo album and
> share that link.
>
> I have posted before that if things are not working correctly, the one
> helpful "to-do" is to access the Settings panel and use the "Send feedback
> to Google" button. Some things have actually been addressed over the years.
>
> There is a "For Sale" tag (Or "Label" in Googroup parlance). Periodically
> I remind folks, but honestly, almost every list member seems to label
> things clearly enough in the subject that it's hard to be confused.
> There are actually three labels - "RBW-Emphemera" - "RBW-History" and
> "transations-sell-buy-trade"
> I"ve been relatively slow to implement them, as I did not want to impose
> too much structure on this group.
>
> I would also say that basic searchability is pretty strong - that's been
> refined a great deal over the last couple years. As with Gmail, it uses
> tools which are pretty refined.
>
> As one more vector, there is a Rivendell Owners Bunch On Facebook group
> which I set up a while ago, where For Sale/Trade is not allowed, and photos
> are more the coin of the realm.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch
>
> There's another one which I'm not an admin of called "Rivendellicious"
> which also includes Bridgestone topics and allows transactions.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712
>
> again, I appreciate your input - thanks!
>
> - Jim / group admin
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 7:09:29 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all -- I'm relatively new in these parts but I do love and appreciate
>> the community, information, gear swaps and laughs of the RBW Owners Bunch.
>>
>> But, man, Google Groups is awful. I'm a member of a few other forums that
>> use phpBB  which is, to my mind, real nice and
>> easy to use.
>>
>> Problems I see here:
>>
>>- Generally difficult to keep up with rolling posts, format doesn't
>>lend to quick scanning and visual organization
>>- Threads don't have pages! Infinite scroll
>>- DMs get lost
>>- Sharing images is a total pain
>>- We don't have discussion folders for broad categories. Spitballing
>>here but we could have: General discussion, For Sale, Repairs and
>>maintenance, etc.
>>- A For Sale folder with a tagged/pinned mega thread with frames for
>>sale would be cool, supplemented by our rolling gear posts.
>>
>> I believe phpbb would add some much needed functionality, editing
>> capability, sharing capability and browsing capability! I have not done *any
>> *research into the cost or what it would take to set up a new forum but
>> I'd wager that a few of us would gladly chip in to cover the costs.
>>
>> Food for thought. Perhaps this has been discussed previously. But I think
>> there are better ways for us to get together.
>>
>> Did I mention Google groups is awful?
>>
>> Okay, peace and love!
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Re: [RBW] Do you use a torque wrench? Or are they a

[Jon Dukeman]

I use a torque wrench on critical parts like stems ,handlebars , Disc brake
rotors & seat post bolts
Snap- On. Or Mac tools have good, calibrated torque wrenches.
I found out the hard way you get what you pay for.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 2:22 PM 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>Just found my 2nd torque wrench has died, after less than ten uses,
> after being properly stored, in a dry place, in its box, with the tension
> relaxed.
>
>I started putting my Effetto Mariposa through the warm up calibration,
> and no clicks at 16Nm nor 3 Nm nor any Nm setting. I wanted to install a
> Paul Boxcar stem on my Hunq, my first 31.8mm stem, and I wanted to get it
> right, but now I'm left with just my own wrenching touchy feelyness.
>
>My Park Tools torque wench was dead on arrival, and now my second much
> more pricey Effetto Mariposa has abandoned its mortal coil and left me
> checking the REI return policy. What gives? Is the normal? I have trout
> flies that have lasted longer! Jeez! I still use my first, now 52 years
> old, fiberglass fly rod. I know I'm not Godzilla.
>
>Are there any reliable torque wrenches out there for 3-5.5Nm wrenching,
> or are they just a waste of money if you're a careful mechanic?
>
> Sorry for the ranting, but I'd really like to know what you all depend on.
>
> Thanks, John
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn handlebar bag (older version)

[Jon Dukeman]

Yes. I had to find a second hand saddle bag.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 12:13 PM Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Though I highly dislike the Acorn business model (Build stuff then flash
> sell it to the fastest mouse click) I absolutely love my Acorn handle bar
> bag. Good luck finding one, it's literally my favorite bag I have.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 9:42:36 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Greetings Pedalers,
>>
>> I'm looking for an discontinued version of the Acorn handlebar bag.
>> Should you have one trapped in a box, bin, or closet and in need of further
>> adventures, let me know.
>> [image: Acorn Bag.png]
>> Cheers,
>> John
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Re: [RBW] What made you a bikey?

[Jon Richardson]

After I had to stop coaching Soccer after my fifth knee surgery.  I started
with a Colnago C40 road bike, it was fast and light.  I then had a Heart
Attack out of nowhere...and used cycling as a means to recover and started
to enjoy my old steel bike.  I found a Rivendell Rambo and fitted with Jack
Black 33s...it was a dream to ride.  It has become my go to bike.

Cycling has given me the physical outlet I need, so far delayed my knee
replacement and has helped me mentally and physically in a number of
possitive ways.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021, 4:54 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:

> For me it was  seeing road cyclists out training on Whitney Ave. in Hamden
> and New Haven, Ct. Most or all were on the Yale cycling team, and they
> would wave to me when I was riding my Humber Clipper Grand Prix that I got
> in 1964. Steve
>
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
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>> Will has an interesting post in the the recent Riv Newsletter about how
>> he and some friends first noticed bikes and got into them. After your
>> initial foray as a kid with a bike, what was the thing that made you notice
>> them later and turn you into an adult-person-cyclist?
>>
>> Mine is similar to Will's as a young man in Los Angeles, except it was
>> the flashy riders in "tight clothes" I picked up on. I vividly recall being
>> stopped on Pacific Coast Highway somewhere south of Long Beach (probably on
>> a motorcycle) and watching all the roadies go by, this would be early '80s.
>> This one guy went by on a green (actually celeste blue, but I didn't know
>> that at the time) Bianchi with matching bar tape and riding gear. That was
>> the moment I - a car and motorcycle nut - realized bicycles were a thing,
>> too. A very cool thing, and you got a workout in the process!
>>
>> I was hooked, what hooked you?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Romulus death shake

[Jon Richardson]

Check the front wheel hub for play and check for wheel hop (out of round).

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 10:23 AM Rick Urbanowski 
wrote:

> No, no front rack.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 1, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>
> 
>
>> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:28:26 AM UTC-4 rickur...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone else get the frame wobble at high speeds on smooth surfaces
 with their Romulus? I only get it if I try to go no hands. And even the
 smallest amount of pressure on one of the grips will stop it.
>>>
>>>
> My Heron road bikes (very similar geometry!) would do a no-hands shimmy
> with both a handlebar bag and a saddle bag in use, and only under that
> specific circumstance.
>
> Typical shimmy solutions include checking the headset adjustment (which
> didn't change anything in my case).
>
> A light touch to the top tube with a knee will also settle the vibrations.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Jon Dukeman]

That's a beautiful machine.
You'll get many fun miles on it.
 Jon

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 4:43 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I've had my Platy since Memorial Day weekend, making minor adjustments to
> saddle and handlebar.  I might lower the handlebar a bit, but I know I LOVE
> the mixte--mine and everyone else who's posted.  My Platy's handlebar is
> Billie Bar, drive train is 1x11 Garbaruk, tires are tubeless  Gravel King
> SS+ (I think) in 43mm.   I have multi-color spoke nipples, valves and caps,
> but I didn't get a chance to clean them for this pic.   Its interesting to
> see each rider's personality in his/her build.
>
> Kate, thanks for coming up with such a cool name--#PlatyPosing!  Benz--I
> can see the family resemblance Wilbury to Platy.  Row-n--TWO Riv mixtes!
> Aren't you lucky.  I didn't realize the wheelbase of the Chev is so long!
> And, Ariel, such style and personality!  Leah, you got me into this-- thank
> you
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia
>
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:48:25 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> It’s the newest trend around RivWorld - Platypus owners lifting their new
>> Platys on high.
>>
>> If you have a Platypus, former Rivendell mixte model or a custom
>> Rivendell mixte, we need you here. Hoist your mixte on high, snap a photo
>> and post it here. It will be delightful to see how you’ve set up your bike
>> and all the personal touches you’ve added.
>>
>> ♥️Leah
>>
>> “The Platypus is arguably the most beautiful bike in our line, and we try
>> so damn hard to make them all beautiful.” ~Grant Petersen
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Jon Dukeman]



On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 5:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> This nurse will write you an excuse, Jon. Beautiful pair of mixtes!
> ❤️Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
> Sorry 70 year old with recent back surgery are EXEMPT from lifting.
> 
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 5:17 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, gorgeous mixtes, my friends, but you gotta hoist ‘em.
>>
>> Those are the rules!
>> L
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
>> benzouy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I will play this game (except the hoisting part)!
>>
>> <2019Apr04-Rivendell_Wilbury.jpg>
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury, repainted in "Cheviot orange", outfitted as an
>> errand/grocery/takeout bike with front/rear racks, dynamo lighting,
>> fenders, and two-legged kickstand. I have a small selection of panniers
>> that I use with this bike (not shown), and it recently acquired a cardboard
>> box on the front rack to better carry takeout.
>>
>> This is essentially a 1X bike, as rear shifting is by a thumbshifter on
>> the handlebar, and front shifting is via a downtube shifter (because I
>> seldom need that low gear). I have no clue how heavy it is, but the
>> addition of the mission-critical heavy lock (to complement the Pitlocks and
>> security bolts) couldn't have helped. The eagle-eyed will spy the dynamo
>> wire guides on the right fork blade, and the second brake cable stop on the
>> top tube; this bike was originally designed for centerpull brakes, so it
>> only had one brake cable stop. I threw these opportunistic mods in as part
>> of the repaint.
>>
>> It does ride and handle well, and even though not ideal due to its
>> upright riding position, I've even taken it up Old La Honda and Kings
>> Mountain, and descended 84E (local climbs in the SF South Bay), just for
>> kicks. As an errand/grocery/takeout bike, this bike probably has the
>> highest number of rides amongst my bikes.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s the newest trend around RivWorld - Platypus owners lifting their
>>> new Platys on high.
>>>
>>> If you have a Platypus, former Rivendell mixte model or a custom
>>> Rivendell mixte, we need you here. Hoist your mixte on high, snap a photo
>>> and post it here. It will be delightful to see how you’ve set up your bike
>>> and all the personal touches you’ve added.
>>>
>>> ♥️Leah
>>>
>>> “The Platypus is arguably the most beautiful bike in our line, and we
>>> try so damn hard to make them all beautiful.” ~Grant Petersen
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: #PlatyPosing: Post your pics here! (Riv Mixtes welcome, too.)

[Jon Dukeman]

Sorry 70 year old with recent back surgery are EXEMPT from lifting.


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 5:17 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Beautiful, gorgeous mixtes, my friends, but you gotta hoist ‘em.
>
> Those are the rules!
> L
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
> benzouy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will play this game (except the hoisting part)!
>
> <2019Apr04-Rivendell_Wilbury.jpg>
>
> Rivendell Wilbury, repainted in "Cheviot orange", outfitted as an
> errand/grocery/takeout bike with front/rear racks, dynamo lighting,
> fenders, and two-legged kickstand. I have a small selection of panniers
> that I use with this bike (not shown), and it recently acquired a cardboard
> box on the front rack to better carry takeout.
>
> This is essentially a 1X bike, as rear shifting is by a thumbshifter on
> the handlebar, and front shifting is via a downtube shifter (because I
> seldom need that low gear). I have no clue how heavy it is, but the
> addition of the mission-critical heavy lock (to complement the Pitlocks and
> security bolts) couldn't have helped. The eagle-eyed will spy the dynamo
> wire guides on the right fork blade, and the second brake cable stop on the
> top tube; this bike was originally designed for centerpull brakes, so it
> only had one brake cable stop. I threw these opportunistic mods in as part
> of the repaint.
>
> It does ride and handle well, and even though not ideal due to its upright
> riding position, I've even taken it up Old La Honda and Kings Mountain, and
> descended 84E (local climbs in the SF South Bay), just for kicks. As an
> errand/grocery/takeout bike, this bike probably has the highest number of
> rides amongst my bikes.
>
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> It’s the newest trend around RivWorld - Platypus owners lifting their new
>> Platys on high.
>>
>> If you have a Platypus, former Rivendell mixte model or a custom
>> Rivendell mixte, we need you here. Hoist your mixte on high, snap a photo
>> and post it here. It will be delightful to see how you’ve set up your bike
>> and all the personal touches you’ve added.
>>
>> ♥️Leah
>>
>> “The Platypus is arguably the most beautiful bike in our line, and we try
>> so damn hard to make them all beautiful.” ~Grant Petersen
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Jon Dukeman]

Doug
I was surprised going from 32 cog to 36 also..there was no adjustment on
mine either.  The high and low limit screws were the same but figured the B
screw might need adjusting. Love that Altus.
Jon

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 4:40 PM dougP  wrote:

> I have the Altus on my Atlantis with 11-36 9 speed shifted with Silver2
> shifters.  Shifts great.  Previous cassette was 12-32.  No adjustments
> needed.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 1:27:41 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I was surprised the Altus cleared the 36 tooth cog so easily.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:19 PM Matthew P  wrote:
>>
>>> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn
>>> difference, lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes,
>>> the widths are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here:
>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to
>>> travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying
>>> within the confines of friction shifting. So is the only other concern how
>>> big of a cog you have on the cassette and whether the rear derailer can
>>> clear it (and if not, wolf tooth road link or similar, right?). Maybe cage
>>> length (and pulley wheel size?) also matter(s) if bigger cogs and wider
>>> gear range  = longer/more chain to take up?
>>> -Matthew
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 12:00:59 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>> I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9
>>>> speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 10:45 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with
>>>>> a 9 speed on friction shift?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Jon Dukeman]

I was surprised the Altus cleared the 36 tooth cog so easily.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:19 PM Matthew P 
wrote:

> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn difference,
> lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, the widths
> are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here:
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to travel
> the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying within the
> confines of friction shifting. So is the only other concern how big of a
> cog you have on the cassette and whether the rear derailer can clear it
> (and if not, wolf tooth road link or similar, right?). Maybe cage length
> (and pulley wheel size?) also matter(s) if bigger cogs and wider gear
> range  = longer/more chain to take up?
> -Matthew
> San Diego
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 12:00:59 PM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Tom
>> I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9
>> speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 10:45 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with a
>>> 9 speed on friction shift?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Jon Dukeman]

Tom
I run my Altus with 12 x 36 9 speed on my Plattypus using Micro shift 9
speed shifter on index. Front : Silver Wide/ low double 38× 24.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 10:45 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> Pardon the dumb question, but can an Altus 8 speed rear der work with a 9
> speed on friction shift?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom "still doesn't know much about shifting" Wyland
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Re: [RBW] My new fall project arrived

[Jon Dukeman]

Gotta love that Orange. Have fun with that one

On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, 10:06 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I have most of the parts for this but not all of them so it will be a fall
> build up.  Super excited for this one especially since it looks like this
> model won't come to reality anytime in the near future.
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Re: [RBW] Handlebar/Stem pouch for Wine

[Jon Dukeman]

Try Randi Jo Fabrications

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 7:24 PM J Schwartz  wrote:

> Does anyone know of a a sidekick/snackbar/feedbag type pouch that mounts
> to to the handlebar along the stem that would specifically be deep enough,
> wide enough and strong enough to carry a typical 750ml bottle of wine
> securely ?  (or any other method for carrying bottles?). I'm done throwing
> bottles in my basket bag or saddle baglooking for a holder that works.
> It's fine for the neck of the bottle to poke out the top... but in order
> for it to not feel squirrelly, it needs to be pretty snug from the shoulder
> down.
> thank you
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Re: [RBW] Creaky Stem Issue

[Jon Dukeman]

Chase
Torque on the NITTO stem clamp/ handlebar is 14-16 Nm or
120-140 inch lb. ( per NITTO specs.)
I recommend cleaning mating surfaces with isopropyl alcohol Before
assembling and torqueing.
I've never heard a creak doing it this method.
Jon

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 1:49 PM Chase Granoff  wrote:

> I am trying to solve what I believe is either a creaky stem and/or
> handlebar issue.
>
> I've got a couple of questions... how many Nm are you suppose to torque
> both the handlebar clamp and the stem on a Nitto Tallux stem?
>
> And have any of you had positive experiences using something like the Park
> Tool Supergrip Carbon and Alloy Assembly Compound on the contact points?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chase
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Re: [RBW] Re: Being Precious About Your Favorite Bike

[Jon Dukeman]

I agree with Ana.
TAKE THE BIKES INSIDE THE ROOM AT NIGHT!!

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 2:03 AM Ana Candela  wrote:

> Leah,
>
> Take the Platypus. Your precious will become more precious the more you
> ride not the more she stays behind. But please please, like everyone has
> said already, take all bikes with you in the hotel. Do not even leave them
> inside the van. If anything, do it for MY peace of mind ;)
>
> On a different note, #matchymatchy -- be still my heart!! You have upped
> the game with those raspberry frame protectors! Now I look at my gray ones,
> and they look so dull and unexciting. But #rivsisters unite: I also label
> them, but only abbreviated: TT, DT, STT, STB, SSL, SSR... It does help when
> in a rush at the train station :-D
>
> Enjoy your trip!
> -Ana
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[RBW] Re: Current Bags that fit Nitto M12 Racks

[Jon Lankow]

Hey all, 

After installing the rack today I realized that I am limited on width (and 
height to a certain extent) on what I would like to comfortably install. I 
went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Rivendell (what a shock right?!?). 
Thanks to everyone for pics and comments. 

Brendan, good looking bag but not what I decided to go for. Thanks for the 
pics and GLWS!

Jon

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 11:36:43 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> Looking for good suggestions as to what currently fits well on this rack.
>>
>
> Swift Paloma - I put one on my new Breadwinner and am very happy with it. 
> It's not as big as the old Rivendell Boxy Bag, which is the best ever (if 
> you can live without a built in map pocket).
>
> https://builtbyswift.com/shop/paloma-handlebar-bag-2021/
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Billy Bars

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Nice looking build.
I have 58 boscos and 120 stem.
 The jury is still out on that combo.
Thanks for the pics
Jon

On Sat, Jun 12, 2021, 2:42 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Not sure what view you'd like, so I took 3.
>
> There's more room to put things on before you get to the curve.  Flairs
> out, but doesn't seem too wide.  Has elegant swoop, similar to Albatross
> bar.  I went on another ride today with them and am very pleased.
>
> Let me know if you'd like any other pics.
>
> I originally bought Loscos to put on this bike, which I think would have
> worked out fine, but I think the Billies are nicer looking, so swapped out
> before Riv sold out (and before I saw Je Mar's request for a swap).
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 8:29:47 AM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Roberta
>> Could you share a pic of your Billie bar set up please?
>> Thanks
>> Jon
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 8:09 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I just put Billie's on my 55cm Platy with an x-tall 100mm technomic stem
>>> and they are fantastic!!! I highly recommend them.
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-4 Je Mar wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, had hoped to trade these for Loscos but my patience only lasted
>>>> about 36 hours before I bought a pair, so the Billys are for sale.  They
>>>> have been mounted but are obviously very clean.  I hope $90 + shipping is
>>>> fair.
>>>> Thx,
>>>> Jeff[image: Billy 1.jpg][image: Billy 6.jpg]
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Billy Bars

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Could you share a pic of your Billie bar set up please?
Thanks
Jon

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 8:09 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I just put Billie's on my 55cm Platy with an x-tall 100mm technomic stem
> and they are fantastic!!! I highly recommend them.
>
> On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 5:47:04 PM UTC-4 Je Mar wrote:
>
>> Hello, had hoped to trade these for Loscos but my patience only lasted
>> about 36 hours before I bought a pair, so the Billys are for sale.  They
>> have been mounted but are obviously very clean.  I hope $90 + shipping is
>> fair.
>> Thx,
>> Jeff[image: Billy 1.jpg][image: Billy 6.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

Yes. The aluminum frames back in the 90s were prone to bottle cage bosses
coming loose and rattling while riding. Very annoying.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 9:33 AM Jared Wilson  wrote:

> Like a Riv-Nut?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 10, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
> Your local bike shop should have the tool and bosses to do that. They
> drill a hole and install the bosses like a pop rivet only better.
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 8:50 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> I have been wishing Riv would put water bottle bosses back there on
>> frames that a bottle would fit, ie the Appaloosa!  I think it's a great use
>> of space
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 6:12 PM Tom  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I added a bottle mount for my pump in the rear triangle. I used the
>>> VO water bottle clamps.  Thoughts? Dumb idea?  Pictures
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lY7JGXQ2YdMN5OKLv3Tr3c0tCQCgEEDz
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

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Your local bike shop should have the tool and bosses to do that. They drill
a hole and install the bosses like a pop rivet only better.
Jon

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> space
>
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>
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>> VO water bottle clamps.  Thoughts? Dumb idea?  Pictures
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lY7JGXQ2YdMN5OKLv3Tr3c0tCQCgEEDz
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[RBW] Current Bags that fit Nitto M12 Racks

[Jon Lankow]

Looking for good suggestions as to what currently fits well on this rack. I 
just purchased one which fits my Bridgestone MB-2 extremely well, but not 
sure that I want to modify my current bag to fit. What bags are out there 
that I haven't seen yet?

Thanks in advance, you folks have a great list!

Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about shim when swapping Albatross for Billie

[Jon Dukeman]

If it's a NITTO stem tell LBS to torque the clamp bolt to 14- 16 Nm or 120
-140 inch pounds.. Important!!! They should know that.
That will ensure it won't creak when pulling on bars or when standing while
pedaling.
I always clean shims and bar at contact points with isopropyl alcohol
before assembly.
Nothing more annoying than having a squeaky handlebar.
Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 7:56 PM REC  wrote:

> Thank you all.
> I have two metal shims, so will probably take it to lbs.
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Email sent to you. I'ma need a close-up pic where the bar goes into the
> stem to be sure what we're dealing with here.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 5:37:35 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Are you sure?  Your original response got me dialing my LBS.
>>
>> Now I'm nervous again.  With Candice and James @analog we tried so many
>> stem/ handlebar combinations and settled on the nice high stem that I
>> purchased while I was there.  I wanted to try the Albas first, so I left
>> with them on the stem.  But, they don't come back far enough.  It looks
>> like metal shims stem with Albatross.  I think the Billies will be perfect,
>> but I don't want to mess up.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:26:15 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Wait, false alarm. I've seen that bar and stem on your bike, there's a
>>> shim there that comes with the bar and doesn't separate..that section is
>>> the 25.4 measurement. I don't think you have a separate loose shim, your
>>> Billie should slide right in there no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 4:24:59 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to swap the Albatross bar for the Billie bar on my Platypus
>>>> tonight (hopefully).  I have a  Nitto XL Technomic 100mm stem and there is
>>>> a shim under my Albatross.  Do I reuse the shim for the Billie Bar?  I
>>>> think so.  Will having the shim make it harder for me to do this by
>>>> myself?  If so, I could take this to LBS.
>>>>
>>>> I got this information from Riv's website:
>>>>
>>>> Nitto Albatross, 55cm x 25.4
>>>> Nitto Billie Bar 580 x 25.4 (RBW-31)
>>>>
>>>> This is the biggest job I'll have done myself and don't want to goof.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm off to tilt the saddle.  That I know how to do!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Water Bottle and Cage Talk

[Jon Dukeman]

I like Randi Jo.Fab.Bartender plus bag mounted on stem/ handlebar.
It keeps dirt away from bottles when riding on dusty roads frequented by
horses and other live stock/ wild life..
Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 6:12 PM David Person  wrote:

> I like the idea of a stem bag like the one on Leah's bike, but I would
> wind up kneeing it when standing out of the saddle to pedal up a hill.
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 1:04:12 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>> I just saw the Rivendell Big Jim today and it looks good. Agreed that
>> this being a Riv related forum we should mention their products for sure.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 3:59:46 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Since we're on the RBW owners forum, and since everyone might not be
>>> aware, Riv recently started carrying a 2nd nalgene-size cage.  There is now
>>> a big "Jim" in addition to an even larger Twofish.  I just got a Jim last
>>> week.  Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but can report on durability /
>>> retention once I do.  It's well-made, so I can't forsee any issues:
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories?page=4
>>>
>>> I like carrying the weight as low and centered as possible.
>>>
>>> Also, i still like and use a couple of older Blackburn cages for 2-Liter
>>> dIsposable water bottles, from before all the new big bottle and cargo
>>> cages became available.  They were designed by WTB or, presumably, Charlie
>>> Cunningham.  Since few bikes had triple bosses at the time, they went
>>> unnoticed and can be found on ebay and the like fairly regularly:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.wtb.com/blogs/wtb/12046329-throwback-thursdays-1993-wtb-blackburn-bomber
>>>
>>> I think they are, or have, reintroduced something similar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-6 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I keep it more traditional with the 3rd bottle cage under the down
>>>> tube. I drink and sweat a lot and go through a 21oz bottle every 45 min or
>>>> so when putting in an effort.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of rave reviews of the VO Mojave and larger Nalgene style bottles
>>>> and I should probably consider getting myself one sometime. Another
>>>> traditional looking option is the Widefoot LiterCage for the big bottles.
>>>> Soma now offers huge water bottles that fit in traditional cages. They are
>>>> very long.
>>>>
>>>> Re: cold water on a hot day that's not a concern with the level of
>>>> effort or amount of water I'm drinking. All I've heard is it takes more
>>>> effort for your body to digest it because it has to warm it up. Maybe
>>>> that's a concern with athletes but not me. I'd say go for it, drink the
>>>> cold stuff!
>>>>
>>>> Kainalu, love the WuTang reference.
>>>>
>>>> Pat in DC
>>>> [image: 20210209_121623-01.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 9:24:30 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Doug. I'm in the humid south as well and will vouch for the
>>>>> Hydroflask bottles being great for the heat and humidity. They don't sweat
>>>>> so you can throw them in a bag with your phone/stuff without worrying 
>>>>> about
>>>>> moisture. If cold, room temp, or hot water is your thing it will keep it
>>>>> that temperature accordingly. That thing that Bicycle Belle has looks
>>>>> rad/perfect for that use.
>>>>> As far as handlebar bags go, I use them on my Albatross bars all of
>>>>> the time. I have an old Riv bag made by Duluth(the Hobo Bag I think) and a
>>>>> small Sackville one with velcro. Both work great but the Duluth bag is 
>>>>> more
>>>>> accessible during a ride. From my experience if the attachment points
>>>>> aren't stiff and/or the zipper is flimsy it can be hard to unzip while in
>>>>> motion. The Gilles Berthoud bags that open towards the rider are 
>>>>> definitely
>>>>> the best in this regard but the hardware, mounting, and cost can be
>>>>> outlandish. Hope that helps.
>>>>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:42:29 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug, there are a lot of nice handlebar bags out there with different
>>>>>> features. For big bottles I like my Oveja Negra the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Shout Out for Shelta Hats

[Jon Dukeman]

Da Brim makes a wide brim if you use a helmet
Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 3:33 PM David Person  wrote:

> Welcome, Hugh.  The brim stiffener they put in really works.
>
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 9:19:50 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Thanks David for the heads up on hat company :) With the summer temps
>> coming It feels like a crucial part of a riding kit.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 10:41:31 AM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My preferred headwear is a wide brimmed cloth hat, like a boonie hat,
>>> when riding.  Too much sun in my youth means battling minor skin cancer
>>> spots on the face, temple and ears.  Last week I came across an add for a
>>> company call Shelta Hats that makes boonie style hats with a stiffener in
>>> the front of the brim.  What they call "no flop brim technology".  Today I
>>> got to test it out and am please to report that the hat functions
>>> beautifully.  The chin cord was needed against the wind or when going
>>> downhill to keep hat in place, but the fit was excellent and the brim did
>>> not flop.
>>>
>>> In the interest for full disclosure - I've no association with Shelta
>>> Hats and paid full price for my hat.
>>>
>>> https://www.sheltahats.com/
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Question about shim when swapping Albatross for Billie

[Jon Dukeman]

Roberta
Spreading the stem slightly helps keep shims aligned while sliding handle
bar in place .
Your stem might not need the tool.

Jon

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 5:25 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I'm going to swap the Albatross bar for the Billie bar on my Platypus
> tonight (hopefully).  I have a  Nitto XL Technomic 100mm stem and there is
> a shim under my Albatross.  Do I reuse the shim for the Billie Bar?  I
> think so.  Will having the shim make it harder for me to do this by
> myself?  If so, I could take this to LBS.
>
> I got this information from Riv's website:
>
> Nitto Albatross, 55cm x 25.4
> Nitto Billie Bar 580 x 25.4 (RBW-31)
>
> This is the biggest job I'll have done myself and don't want to goof.
>
> Well, I'm off to tilt the saddle.  That I know how to do!
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
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[RBW] Fwd: Interloc Racing Design Sub-C Double Front Derailleur Braze-On - Silver [Y86FZ91B13] - $46.78 : braidaxe.com

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Re: [RBW] Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Jon Dukeman]

Tom
Google
IRD sub compact fr derailleur .Numerous bike shops sell them.
I love mine.

On Tue, May 25, 2021, 7:27 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that
> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9
> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction.
>
> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple
> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm
> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the
> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

Vince knows his handlebars and stems and the best configuation.
I'm getting a new stem this week. I'll report back how it goes.

On Sun, May 23, 2021, 10:20 AM 'upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> After a week away with a family crisis, I'm trying to  catch up on the
> handlebar thread and everyone's decisions. You all have provided much to
> the conversation and the subtle nuances experienced by each person.  This
> is the last item on my list to choose and I didn't get a chance to talk
> with Vince at Riv.  So this week I'll have an answer.
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>
> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:46:33 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Another rainy day although I did grab about 25 miles in dreary humidity.
>> Spent some of the rest of the day working on my twine & wrapping skills, I
>> wonder if Blue Lug is hiring?
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210523_024219127.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:18:56 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is
>>> not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete"
>>> (how's that for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe."
>>>
>>> Right?? I literally caught my breath at this one:
>>>
>>
>>> "The drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and
>>> sweep way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats."
>>>
>>> I could immediately and vividly see it in my mind's eye and thought to
>>> myself HOW DID SHE THINK OF THAT??
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and "almost" is
 not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much more "concrete"
 (how's *that* for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus Boscoe.

 Me, I've no use or desire at all for wide bars with great sweepback; I
 always cut non-drop bars down to be comfortable. But I do know the feeling
 of being able to hold on to the ends of the bar to stand (or sit) and
 torque hard for hills or, around here, sand patches -- I have just now,
 after months, put the final perfecting adjustment touches to my flipped and
 ruthlessly cut down MAP/Ahearne bar (9 cm stem) (moved the Shimano 600
 levers about 3/4" further toward the (severely trimmed) ends of the bar, so
 I can brake with 1 or 2 fingers from the Ergon grips but still wrap fingers
 around lever bodies for a forward, more inclined riding position.

 Photos, please.

 On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:42 PM Leah Peterson 
 wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> It has been unbelievably windy here in Vegas. My Billie Bars arrived
> yesterday afternoon and I got them installed right away (which I 
> documented
> in a minimally helpful, mostly satirical video on Instagram). But, it was
> too windy to ride. The weather still wasn’t cooperating today, but the
> winds died down enough to let me out for a quick 10 miles with my new
> Billie Bars. I wish I had more time and miles with them, but in the
> interest of people trying to choose bars and stem for their new Platys in 
> a
> hurry, I’ll give you my unvarnished opinion.
>
> The 9 cm stem is going to be just fine, I think. There is enough of a
> reach that I don’t feel cramped in the cockpit (oh, how I hate the term 
> for
> bikes). The Bosco Bars make a statement, like antlers, like a crown. The
> drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically and sweep
> way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats. That was the first
> appreciable difference I noted between the bars - the Billie is flatter 
> and
> has less reach-back. Understated compared to the dramatic Bosco. But the
> Billie is regal in its own way, too - those curves on either side of the
> clamp are lovely. To use imagery from nature:  the Boscos are a buck with
> an impressive rack, the Billies are a bird taking flight.
>
> So, what about the width of those flared 58 cm Billie Bars? Sisters, I
> know we were worried. We said, “They made those wide bars for full-grown,
> broad-shouldered men and what about us?” But I have good news - I think
> you’ll like that flare! It’s not too wide, and I think it is more 
> ergonomic
> the way your wrists meet those bar ends.
>
> Climbing. I love Boscos, but I really do think I had too short of a
> stem for them. I think 11cm would be the ticket and I have a 9. I hated
> climbing with my Boscos because they came back too far and it was awkward.
> I rarely stood on my pedals because the bar ends came back to my hips. 
> Ever
> ridden your bike uphill with your hands behind your hips?! Also, I am a 
> bar
> puller. I pull hard on handlebars when I am really exerting effort to 
> climb
> a hill or