[RBW] Re: FS: modern cockpit and drivetrain for your Riv

[Neil Doran]

Cockpit components are sold, drivetrain still available for a la carte 
pricing shown above or get it all for $200.

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 10:07:57 AM UTC-7 Neil Doran wrote:

> Hi all, I'm selling a SRAM 2x10 speed setup that I had on my Sam for a 
> couple of years. It is a super fun setup and works great. It's all very 
> lightly worn.
>
> I'd like to get $350 for the entire setup, or see suggested la carte 
> pricing below. Let me know if I am way off on price for this stuff! Buyer 
> pays shipping if not local to the Sacramento/Bay Area side of things.
>
> As far as trade the only things I'm looking for are a Nitto wavie bar, a 
> quill bullmoose bar, and possibly some bar-top friction shifters or perches.
>
> - 46cm Salsa Cowchipper bar (31.8 clamp) - $25
> - SRAM Force Double Tap levers (2x10) for mechanical brakes - $100
> - Velo Orange removable faceplate quill stem (31.8 clamp), zero degree 
> rise, brushed finish - $40
> -> or $150 for the entire cockpit as-is, which includes still-nice 
> Brooks bar tape
>
> - SRAM carbon crankset, 50/34, 172.5 mm arms, GXP interface with bottom 
> bracket - $150
> - SRAM GX long-cage rear mech with Wolf Tooth road link - $50
> - SRAM Rival front mech - $20
> - Sun Race 11-42 cassette and 10 speed chain: $20 or FREE to whomever buys 
> the whole enchilada.
>
> Pics here.
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bop/d/rocklin-sram-2x10-cockpit-and-drivetrain/7620814254.html
>

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[RBW] FS: modern cockpit and drivetrain for your Riv

[Neil Doran]

Hi all, I'm selling a SRAM 2x10 speed setup that I had on my Sam for a 
couple of years. It is a super fun setup and works great. It's all very 
lightly worn.

I'd like to get $350 for the entire setup, or see suggested la carte 
pricing below. Let me know if I am way off on price for this stuff! Buyer 
pays shipping if not local to the Sacramento/Bay Area side of things.

As far as trade the only things I'm looking for are a Nitto wavie bar, a 
quill bullmoose bar, and possibly some bar-top friction shifters or perches.

- 46cm Salsa Cowchipper bar (31.8 clamp) - $25
- SRAM Force Double Tap levers (2x10) for mechanical brakes - $100
- Velo Orange removable faceplate quill stem (31.8 clamp), zero degree 
rise, brushed finish - $40
-> or $150 for the entire cockpit as-is, which includes still-nice 
Brooks bar tape

- SRAM carbon crankset, 50/34, 172.5 mm arms, GXP interface with bottom 
bracket - $150
- SRAM GX long-cage rear mech with Wolf Tooth road link - $50
- SRAM Rival front mech - $20
- Sun Race 11-42 cassette and 10 speed chain: $20 or FREE to whomever buys 
the whole enchilada.

Pics here.
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bop/d/rocklin-sram-2x10-cockpit-and-drivetrain/7620814254.html

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[RBW] Re: FS - two Brooks Cambium C-17 saddles

[Neil Doran]

And sold! Thanks Ben, I'll get 'em in the post tomorrow.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:38:11 PM UTC-8 Neil Doran wrote:

> Two saddles, both in as-new condition.
> - The original C17 (with metal seat loops) in slate color.
> - The newer C-17 carved (all weather edition in black).
>
> Each one is $75 shipped CONUS, or name a fair price and let's go from 
> there.
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[RBW] FS - two Brooks Cambium C-17 saddles

[Neil Doran]

Two saddles, both in as-new condition.
- The original C17 (with metal seat loops) in slate color.
- The newer C-17 carved (all weather edition in black).

Each one is $75 shipped CONUS, or name a fair price and let's go from there.

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

[Neil Doran]

Definitely a fan of loose, long sleeves here in hot n dry Sacramento, CA 
area. Any of the 'sun shirts' marketed by the likes of REI do the trick for 
me, but my favorite is a 50/50 number I got at the local thrift store for 
$5. Been wearing that one for a few years now, cannot believe the quality. 
Why is it my favorite? One word: SNAPS. I just love snaps over buttons, 
especially with gloves. I wish more makers would oblige this bit of 
functionality.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: your near-new tires, 700 x 40 ish

[Neil Doran]

Hi Sean, hope you are well. Thanks for the offer, my Sam is more 
pavement-centric these days since I picked up the Cutty, I think the 
Steilacooms would be overkill. Sounds like Jonathan is interested though!

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 8:01:06 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Have any near-new tires you want to move? I need new meats for a currently 
> seldom-used bike and looking to save a few bucks. Waddya got?
>

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[RBW] WTB: your near-new tires, 700 x 40 ish

[Neil Doran]

Have any near-new tires you want to move? I need new meats for a currently 
seldom-used bike and looking to save a few bucks. Waddya got?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Collin, perhaps we could continue the thread drift a bit, because the 'east 
side Lost Sierra' route you are describing has been of large interest to me 
as well. My initial version is to ride from home (Rocklin) to Truckee, 
north around Stampede Reservoir and generally along the HWY 89 corridor 
through Sierra Valley (my happy place!). Maybe make it as far north as Lake 
Davis, then back through Portola and Graegle, up through Lakes Basin, 
Downieville, and some route home from there. Maybe 3-4 days for that?

All great riding, but the first part from Rocklin to Truckee is a bit 
daunting. The most straightforward route I have found is Foresthill Divide 
out to Soda Springs Road, which connects to Old 40 at Donner Pass. That 
would be a day and a half of riding for me, and only the Soda Springs part 
is dirt, unless I wanted to be creative and ride the Western States.

Are you able to share your route from Sac to Truckee?

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Nice, glad the hunkering was rewarded with a lovely view of the mountain! 
> I was hoping to spend time this summer exploring the area, but that looks 
> less likely each week...
>
> I met up with friends at summit lake for labor day weekend, then we drove 
> home.
>
> I've been half-assing a route trying to connect Truckee and Lassen for the 
> past year, but I think with the time I have now I should be able to start 
> pulling that route together more seriously. It would ideally connect 
> through Quincy and Downieville, so I should be able to pull resources from 
> Sierra Buttes Trails to build the route. I already have a route that 
> connects Sac and Truckee with mostly dirt, so once this chunk gets finished 
> you could make a train trip to Klammath Falls and finish at Amtrak in 
> Sacramento. Maybe ~500 miles with a boat load of climbing over 7-12 days.
>
> Sorry for the thread drift everyone!
> Collin in Sac
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:06:59 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Collin! I've noodled the very southern end of that route on a 
>> three-day loop out of Chester. Spent two days and nights hunkered down at 
>> Manzanita Lake due to rain and snow. The weather cleared miraculously for 
>> us and we boogied down through Old Station. I'll never forget the view 
>> looking back at Lassen with a fresh jacket of snow. Just love that area.
>>
>> Hey, your track ends at Summit Lake...did someone meet you there for 
>> transport, or did you turn around and ride back to Klamath?
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>>
>>> Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the 
>>> route are at the bottom
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>  And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well 
>>> as a mostly blank and adaptable canvas.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to 
>>>> camp on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>>>>
>>>> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
>>>> elaborate...
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
>>>>> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
>>>>> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars 
>>>>> help 
>>>>> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
>>>>> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you 
>>>>> don't 
>>>>> have to go digging for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to 
>>>>> operate without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the 
>>>>> smaller bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> a *system *which means you will also need the super packable tent, 
>>>>> sleeping bag, cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag 
>>>>> attached to the 

[RBW] FS - Steripen Opti

[Neil Doran]

Another backpacking item for sale that the Riv crowd might find useful. 
This unit works perfectly and has never been used in the field.

Includes sheath and instruction booklet. $50 shipped CONUS paypal f or 
buyer covers fees. Or make offer!!

Photos here: 
https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/fs-steripen-opti-never-used/

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[RBW] FS - Caldera Cone alky stove setup

[Neil Doran]

Been trying to sell this on another site (Backpacking Light) and figured 
the Riv crowd might be interested. Not sure what shipping will be, but I'll 
cover the first ten bucks of shipping for my price of $30.

For sale is a lightly used Caldera Cone system, purchased new from Trail 
Designs about four years ago. Included is the alcohol stove, aluminum cone, 
tyvek sleeve for the cone, stakes to set pot in cone (not needed depending 
on the pot), alcohol bottle, tiny dosing cup, and stuff sack for the entire 
system including pot. The stuff sack is starting to unravel a bit. I’ll 
include the no-name pot, unless you don’t want it, then subtract $5.

About the pot, because obviously the cone is built around this vessel…it is 
about 1.2L capacity (water filled to the handle rivet, about 1″ below the 
rim) and measures 5 7/8″ diameter and 4 1/8″ tall. Nothing special, this is 
a very common pot, but there is no name marked on the unit. It is aluminum 
pot with non-stick coating that is starting to flake on the outside but is 
FULLY INTACT on the inside surface. Bail handle, good fitting lid, not 
warped or damaged. Lots of life left.


I’d like $30 shipped CONUS, or $25 if you don’t want the pot. Paypal f, 
or buyer covers fees.


Pics over on BPL...
https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/fs-trail-designs-caldera-cone-1-2l-system/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Thanks Collin! I've noodled the very southern end of that route on a 
three-day loop out of Chester. Spent two days and nights hunkered down at 
Manzanita Lake due to rain and snow. The weather cleared miraculously for 
us and we boogied down through Old Station. I'll never forget the view 
looking back at Lassen with a fresh jacket of snow. Just love that area.

Hey, your track ends at Summit Lake...did someone meet you there for 
transport, or did you turn around and ride back to Klamath?

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the route 
> are at the bottom
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing
>
>  And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well as 
> a mostly blank and adaptable canvas.
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp 
>> on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>>
>> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
>> elaborate...
>>
>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
>>> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
>>> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
>>> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
>>> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
>>> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
>>> have to go digging for.
>>>
>>> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
>>> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
>>> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a 
>>> *system 
>>> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
>>> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>>>
>>> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached 
>>> to the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
>>> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
>>> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
>>> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
>>> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
>>> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
>>> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>>>
>>> Just daydreaming now,
>>> Collin in Sac
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
>>>> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist 
>>>> camping? 
>>>> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
>>>> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better 
>>>> for 
>>>> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such 
>>>> flexibility 
>>>> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>>>>
>>>> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
>>>> -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
>>>> them served me well indeed.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
>>>>> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
>>>>> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
>>>>> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is 
>>>>> weatherproof. 
>>>>> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
>>>>> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like

[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Great thread, looks like most of the options are covered!

In honing my Riv-style dirtbagging setup, I've found it is very hard to 
beat a front basket on a solid rack with a bungee net to handle overflow. 
That is the core of my system, paired with a Carsick bartender bag and a 
Swift burrito bag. That is a lot of front-end storage, which I love. I add 
an Acorn transverse saddle bag, an older one which is about 7L or so. Can 
also strap stuff outside the saddle bag if necessary.

This system is good for several nights as long as I don't need to ferry too 
much food or water.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp on 
that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.

Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
elaborate...

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
> have to go digging for.
>
> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a *system 
> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>
> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached to 
> the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>
> Just daydreaming now,
> Collin in Sac
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
>> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping? 
>> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
>> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for 
>> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility 
>> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>>
>> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
>> -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
>> them served me well indeed.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
>>> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>>>
>>> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
>>> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
>>> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
>>> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
>>> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
>>> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
>>> my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 
>>>
>>> Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
>>> you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
>>> capacity won't kill you.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:

 Hello all, 

 I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
 sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
 house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 

 Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
 backpack or bike basket and going. 

 Jason 
 SF, CA
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>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Riv content over on Radavist (04/02/2020)

[Neil Doran]

Some nice b+w film, Shell Ridge, SF skate scene mashup over on Radavist 
today: 
https://theradavist.com/2020/04/one-day-in-the-bay-with-rivendell-on-black-and-white-35mm/

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks C15 or C17

[Neil Doran]

Saddle acquired!

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:21:59 AM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Anybody have a lightly used C15 or C17? Tried one ages ago, and want to 
> try it again for a new MTB build.
>
> Color not critical, but brown would be nice!
>

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[RBW] WTB: Brooks C15 or C17

[Neil Doran]

Anybody have a lightly used C15 or C17? Tried one ages ago, and want to try 
it again for a new MTB build.

Color not critical, but brown would be nice!

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[RBW] Re: Check your PMs

[Neil Doran]

OK, here is a question from a generally Luddite sorta 'guy'...

How does one check PMs in this group? I am viewing this content on a 
'Google groups' platform. I see no control or toggle for 'PM'. 

In messaging back and forth with other users, messages have always flowed 
seamlessly via email (gmail, in my case, and for most others)...is that 
what you mean by 'PM'?

Hope I have not missed a whole raft of messages!!!

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 2:23:19 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> ...because I see this constantly on this forum where one person has an 
> item to sell and somebody mentions later that they PMed and got no 
> response. 
>
> Also, if you tell somebody you're going to buy something and change your 
> mind, tell them you've changed your mind instead of just wandering off. 
>
> I'm not a moderator but I've been around since the beginning of RBW Bunch 
> and bought and sold a ton of stuff, and I see the same messes between buyer 
> and seller over and over again. Once that FS ball is rolling it's the 
> responsibility of both sides to keep communication open, clear and prompt 
> until the deal is done. Ya hear??
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rack choice for Wald basket on a Hillborne

[Neil Doran]

Well, I think it depends.

I have been terrifically satisfied with a Mark's Rack M1 on my 
caliper-braked Sam...easy setup, looks great, and versatile, should you 
want to run a small bag instead of a basket. Always worked great, never 
failed.

But I overload my basket on a regular basis and haul my crap on all manner 
of track and trail. To drive out all lingering thoughts of rack failure due 
to my camping gear, a burrito, and a 12-pack in the rack on the way to the 
camping spot, I upgraded to the Nitto Campee front rack...the one with 
integrated struts that go all the way to the lower dropout. Not that this 
rack could never fail, but I sure don't worry much about it!

Plus the Campee has the removable frames for front panniers, which I 
thought I would use all the time, but in reality have never used, as all my 
kit fits into the (overloaded) basket and my Acorn seat bag.

But for casual, every day use, hard to beat the M1...

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[RBW] Re: ideas for daytime visibility: vests and whatnot

[Neil Doran]

Good stuff here, per the usual. Indeed, I am inquiring generally about 
daylight conditions, but fall is here, and winter not far behind!

Gotta say I totally forgot about the yellow ankle band! I have two of the 
high quality units that do indeed stick out like a flag. I've used them 
during winter commuting and on long rides where I am in and out of tree 
shadow, I think the circular motion of something bright yellow must help 
with visibility.

I also have suffered behind fellow riders at night that are running 
NASA-grade blinky lights. My current setup is the Riv-approved Secula that 
mounts on the seat stay. Only one mode (steady on) and one brightness (not 
that bright). I've become so fond of the dyno setup with 'always on' lights 
and never a thought to charge or batteries.

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[RBW] ideas for daytime visibility: vests and whatnot

[Neil Doran]

Over the last few weeks I've had two close calls with automobiles during my 
morning commute that really seem to come down to 'I didn't see you'.

I currently have a dyno hub with full-time lights front and rear, and try 
and ride predictably, but seems like I need to up my visibility game. I'm 
thinking a very bright and loud reflective vest. Needs to be pretty light 
weight though, maybe even a mesh.

Any suggestions from the group mind on either vests you have been happy 
with, or other tips n tricks for daytime visibility?

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations on cycling to Rivendell and around San Francisco and the Bay Area

[Neil Doran]

Sounds like a fun trip! You probably already know that October generally 
provides THE BEST weather in the Bay Area region.

Wow, for ten days, you could see a lot of stuff. I would make Marin County 
a priority. Marin Headlands, Mt. Tam, and Pt. Reyes are all amazing. Easily 
2-3 days of riding and sight-seeing, maybe more if you want to sloow 
down.

Not terribly sure about lodging...is camping in the mix? That opens options.

Along with all that rambling through Marin, find a way to take the ferry 
back to SF or Oakland, it is a fun diversion.

On your Rivendell HQ day, a ride up Mt. Diablo seems in order...pretty 
unique views of the East Bay on the way up, and you can see the Sierras 
from the summit on a clear day (rather rare, except when windy).

There are some fun road loops in the East Bay (Skyline/Grizzly Peak in 
Oakland/Berkeley hills, Three Bears through Briones Regional Park, Riv 
folks can direct you to more), but hard for me to say if they are really 
tourist-worthy...but they are some of my favorite rides.

Seems like Bay Area visitors are always tempted to hit Napa Valley wine 
country, but IMO those roads are really not great for cycling...very highly 
traveled, pretty much all year round these days, generally with narrow to 
non-existent shoulders. Also I find the vino-culture up there rather 
tedious and monotonous, but that's just me.

You can find some very nice, twisty, quite, shaded roads further north 
around St Helena, but you will be climbing a lot.

Oh, first weekend in October is Hardly Strictly Bluegrass in SF...if you 
are in any way into music, you will find something you like...all free, of 
course...and packed...but a pretty special social phenomenon.

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[RBW] Re: anybody tried WTB Riddlers?

[Neil Doran]

Thanks, sounds promising! Think I may give them a go.

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[RBW] anybody tried WTB Riddlers?

[Neil Doran]

Anybody tried 'em? Was ogling them at my LBS and they look quite 
nicegreat volume, and look like they would roll pretty well. Coming off 
a well-worn set of Soma Cazaderos and new tires are in my future.

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[RBW] Re: Chacos vs. Bedrocks

[Neil Doran]

Has anybody tried the Bedrocks and found that the toe strap configuration 
bothers their feet? That is the problem with my current set of Chacos, I 
find the 'toe noose' very uncomfortable. I love the thick sole of the 
Chacos for riding, but a lighter sandal also sounds quite nice. Just don't 
know if I would be equally bothered by the Bedrock retention system.

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[RBW] Re: fresh Riv content on the Radavist, plus TOP TUBE PANNIERS

[Neil Doran]

As those who know me can attest, I love front-of-bike storage, which 
currently consists of Wald basket, Swift bar bag, AND a feed bag. Plus I 
have ability to run front panniers via my Nitto Campee 27f rack.

If I added those top tube panniers I would reach the next level of 
bike-front storage...

On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> The Radavist site is pretty unpredictable so often entertaining.  Al 
> Morris would be quite an addition to a campout.  Sounds like never a dull 
> moment.  As to those panniers, I dunno, around $100US for 3.5 liters of 
> cuteness?
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 12:21:13 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Amusing Sam Hillborne content over on the Radavist just now (
>> https://theradavist.com/2019/08/al-morris-occult-of-cyclocamping-rivendell-sam-hillborne/),
>>  
>> pretty nice and standard build of a Sam.
>>
>> But, did anybody know that these existed? 
>> https://www.carradice.co.uk/ranges/originals/top-tube-panniers
>>
>> I did not know I needed them until just a few minutes ago, and now I need 
>> them very badly...
>>
>

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[RBW] fresh Riv content on the Radavist, plus TOP TUBE PANNIERS

[Neil Doran]

Amusing Sam Hillborne content over on the Radavist just now (
https://theradavist.com/2019/08/al-morris-occult-of-cyclocamping-rivendell-sam-hillborne/),
 
pretty nice and standard build of a Sam.

But, did anybody know that these existed? 
https://www.carradice.co.uk/ranges/originals/top-tube-panniers

I did not know I needed them until just a few minutes ago, and now I need 
them very badly...

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[RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

[Neil Doran]

Carlos, I know that area well! We had family up on Shake Ridge Road for 
many many yearsmiss those hot summers up in the forest! I've always 
wanted to ride out there, I've seen some really great looking loops from 
Plymouth out around Volcano and back. OK, enough thread derailment for now, 
have a great time this weekend. So cool you are bringing the fam!

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> Hey Neil! We’re coming from Sutter Creek. Yea, it’s one of the tiny gold 
> rush towns, in the foothills of the Sierra’s. We’re not too far from you.

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[RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

[Neil Doran]

Hey Carlos/Frazzywig, curious about where you are mobilizing from, as I 
think you mentioned Sierra foothills. I myself am in Rocklin (80 corridor) 
and never ever ever see any Rivendells in the wild east of Sacramento...

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[RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

[Neil Doran]

I am also sad to be missing this...dang, missed the last one, too!

The patches look great, very well done!

My vote for a Saturday ride (in absentia) is Pine Mtn, finishing on BoFax 
Road and dropping Jewell Trail right back into camp. 

(Repack is fun in a special way, but the White's Hill pavement climb 
sucks.)

Which reminds me, anybody riding in the typical way on SFD from Fairfax is 
highly encouraged to take the trails through Loma Alta as it cuts out that 
terrible pavement climb and replaces it with dirt.

And everyone knows about the Cross Marin trail, right? (I only bring it 
up because I met some local-ish folks a few weeks ago who did not know it 
existed...)

Have fun!

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[RBW] Re: Rain Cape Recommendation

[Neil Doran]

I'm a big fan of the Carradice Duxback poncho. Used two seasons now for 
daily use and no real complaints. The fabric (waxes canvas?) is heavy and 
does not flap much at all. There are two interior nylon loops for your 
hands to hold it in place, but with my setup (swept flat bar) it drapes 
nicely over the controls and stays in place even without my hands in the 
loops (unless it is very windy).
It also has two lengths of webbing attached to the rear interior that you 
can tie around your lower back to keep it from flapping up in 
back...generally not a concern.

The only part that is not great is the hood. It is not fitted or contoured 
in any way, but feels like a pointy little 'gnome hood'. I would prefer a 
large hood that would cinch down over my helmet, but this one does better 
jammed underneath the helmet. Not real comfy, but does the trick when the 
rain is really coming down. The head opening has a 12" zipper that provides 
quite a bit of 'battening down', and I stay very dry even without the hood.

The fabric is of course bulky by design but is built to last. Rolled 
tightly, it packs down to about the size of a 32 oz Nalgene. 

I'm pretty sure I paid under $100 for this one, but I cannot remember. 
Those Cleverhoods look quite nice, and I bet they do a better job on the 
hood...

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 5:11:22 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I am in the market for a rain cape for commuting.  I'd like to keep it 
> well under $100 if possible, and I'm in the Midwest so you never really 
> know what will be thrown at you.  Any recs are welcome.  I've been eyeing a 
> Cleverhood that I like a lot.  I thought Campmor made an inexpensive one 
> but I can't find it and want to make sure it is long in the front/short 
> rear for cycling.
>

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[RBW] Re: Swift campout 2019

[Neil Doran]

Craig, great photos! That road through the pine forest looks primo! 

Sean, that dirt route out to Morgan Territory looks hard, and fantastic! 
Looks like it follows the very-nice Oyster Point trail, which is a pain to 
get to otherwise because it is so far out. I did not know Morgan Territory 
had camping, another good piece of info! Although the bandit camping 
options out there would be virtually unlimited. Just need water...

If you want to stay coastal, you are more than welcome to join us! The 
current plan is to rally at Embarcadero at 1130 or so on Saturday. Send me 
an email or PM if you want to connect, I can provide some additional 
details.

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[RBW] Re: Swift campout 2019

[Neil Doran]

Jock! Very nice photos and well done. ~firm handshake~

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[RBW] Swift campout 2019

[Neil Doran]

Anybody else observing the Swift campout this year? My little crew has been 
doing the same route for at least a few years now, riding from SF thru 
Planet of the Apes and ending up at the quite primo hike-n-bike camping at 
Half Moon Bay state park.

Bike camping on summer solstice weekend (or closest to it) hits a sweet 
spot as it allows me to trade the encroaching heat of the foothills for 
coastal breezes; I get to ride through SF, which I love to do at least 2x 
per year; and the POTA trail is just so extremely fun and unique.

Anybody else getting out next weekend for a bike overnight?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikepacking bags, Nitto, Honjo, XT & much more

[Neil Doran]

Dang, nice lot! Will the thumbies throw 8/9 speed in friction mode? If so, I 
want.

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[RBW] Re: It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

[Neil Doran]

Statrixbob - I am also the occasional fan of socks n' sandals, especially 
during S24Os or similar applications! The toe strap version of Chacos can 
accommodate that (just don't use the toe loop), but it messes up the 
adjustment.

Steven, those Arubas look nifty! Great toe protection with Keens, very good 
for being in the river. I am a huge fan of slip-ons of all types, and these 
look great for riding. But I think I would miss the security of the heel 
strap for any sort of trail walking.


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[RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

[Neil Doran]

Just read the thread from 2014 - 2016...is it time for an updated sandal 
discussion?

It's officially summer here in the low foothills, and I'm back to riding in 
sandals. My 3-year-old Chacos (with toe loop) are still going strong, and 
at this rate they may never die, but I really don't care for the toe loop.

One option is new Chacos without toe loop (had 'em, loved 'em, took about 
10 years to disintegrate). 

Also been eyeballing the Bedrock units for a couple o' years now...kinda 
like that I could go check them out in person in Richmond and try 'em all 
on. They look thinner (and lighter) than Chacos (good!), but wondering if 
the toe thong might bug me as much as the Chaco toe loop.

What are people wearing these days? My ideal use is on the bike and around 
town...bonus points if they would be good for wet-wading while fishing, and 
especially if they were light enough to act as camp shoes while backpacking 
(I find the Chacos weight-prohibitive for this purpose).

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[RBW] Re: Rides and activities for FotR / Rivmoot / RBWXXV Rivendell Anniversary Campout / Meetup

[Neil Doran]

I intend to train down from Sacramento area Friday morning, and could 
likely be in Mill Valley by noon and join on the Tam/BoFax portion of the 
ride.

I had floated the idea of a Porcupine/Sherwood Forest/Pine Mtn Truck 
Road/Bolinas Ridge loop for Saturday, but perhaps that is a bit much, 
especially if it is ridden on the way in on Friday.

There is some fun stuff out towards Pt Reyes, such as Inverness Ridge 
(singletrack and doubletrack) between Mt Vision and Limantour 
Road...possibly followed by an out n' back from Bear Valley.

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[RBW] PSA 59CM Custom Riv on FC CL

[Neil]

I wish people would stop painting their names on top tubes. Think about the 
second hand market!

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[RBW] Re: Brifter setup for my Sam: looking for options

[Neil Doran]

Nick, thanks, this is excellent! What crank is that? I see the Colnago 
label, but looks like Sugino. Also, it looks like you are using 10sp 
derailleurs with 11sp brifters and cassette, is that correct? And how is 
the shifting? 

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 2:49:26 PM UTC-7, Nick Payne wrote:
>
> The last few bikes I've setup I've used 2x11 with SRAM road shifters and 
> MTB RD, as SRAM, unlike Shimano, still retain compatibility between road 
> and MTB components - see 
> https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/technologies/exact-actuation for a 
> list of the components that can be used with each other. I have Force 22 
> brifters with X9 FD and RD, a pair of fairly small chainrings, and an 11s 
> 11-40 cassette (which doesn't need an 11-speed cassette body, it fits on 9- 
> or 10-speed cassette body). For less cost you can use Rival rather than 
> Force shifters and one of the lower level derailleurs. 
>
> Here's an image of the setup on one bike. The chainrings here are 38-26, 
> which with the 11-40 cassette gives me gears from 92 inches down to 17 
> inches:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Nick
>
>

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[RBW] Brifter setup for my Sam: looking for options

[Neil Doran]

I love how my Sam is set up right now: Shimano Sora 3x9 brifters on 44 cm 
Salsa Cowchipper. Haven't had a hankering to change this in over a year, so 
I think I am sold.

However, I purchased the Sora brifters used, and they are worn. Time for an 
upgrade.

When I last looked, Sora and I think Micro Shift were the only 3 x 9 
brifters on the market. Should I be thinking about other options, such as 
10 sp?

My modest requirements...

- Must be indexed, don't wanna go back to friction.

- Need to use existing rear wheel (standard LX hub).

- Need at least a double up front, cuz of hills and I frequently bike-camp 
and otherwise load the bike up.

- Need to be compatible with sidepull brakes.

- Would prefer to reuse the crank (standard RIv Sugino triple) but not 
necessary.

What I'm thinking is a wide-low double (28 x 46 ish) and an expanded rear 
cassette (likely 10 sp) (11 x 38 ish)...has anybody done a setup like this 
before?

Kinda looking for an integrated solution that plays well together and 
delivers very good shifting performance. Thanks all!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[halfstep neil]

advice from "Ride with GPS" for the edge touring. "change RECALCULATION to 
PROMPT or OFF.(important)"

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[RBW] this photo, from the blahg, 2/19/2019...

[Neil Doran]

I could not resist bringing this photo to the attention of the Bunch. Hope 
G doesn't mind me pillaging his work, but i think he appreciates knowing 
folks read this stuff.

The peculiar specificity of this image is very appealing. 




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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivish Surly Long Haul Trucker

[Neil Doran]

Dang, that bike is t!ts! GLWS.

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[RBW] NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Neil Doran]

Are you inviting listers to bring their wares to sell/trade? 

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[RBW] Ride Report, Brothers in CA

[Neil Doran]

Ah, so great! Your description of Tomales and points south was spot on. I also 
enjoy that heavy salt air that is always a bit surprising the way it hits you. 
Hopefully you enjoyed Pt Reyes Station to some degree, one of my special places 
in that part of the world.

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[RBW] Re: Front light bracket for Nitto Campee 27 rack?

[Neil Doran]

Yes, the 27f has a threaded 'ear' on the right side that accepts a standard 
bolt. I used the Nitto mount that Riv sells and used a nylon-insert nut on 
the inside to keep things tight. Works great.

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[RBW] Re: clean-ish routing for generator lights

[Neil Doran]

So many excellent responses, thank you!

I neglected to mention that because my Sam has a pump peg, I have a 
full-size Zefal that lives permanently beneath the top tube. So it makes 
some sense to run the wire along that mess. I also have a permanent mass of 
bags in front (Wald basket with shopsack, Swift bar bag, AND a Carsick 
Designs stem bag...I love having my cockpit storage), so I'm probably 
over-thinking how much a single wire is going to affect the aesthetics on 
this rig. I'll see if I can post a pic later today.

Zip ties are probably the appropriate solution here, but I also like the 
'dabs of Shoe Goo' approach...I might try the Shoe Goo first, for fun...

As an aside...I attended a S24O this weekend and got the first real 
opportunity to use the dyno lights on a mix of pavement, dirt roads, and 
trails. I just love the no-thought-required ease of this system. I see the 
logic in avoiding the dyno-powered rear light in favor of a battery blinky, 
as the rechargeable ones truly do last a long time. But so far I am a fan 
of the 'always on' status of a rear tail light (and solid red, no blinky). 
I also have a history of rear battery lights bouncing off the bike while 
riding in the dirt...I've lost a few that way, but my current Nightrider 
version is so small and light, and has a very strong clip, that it has not 
happened yet and probably won't.

Another consideration along those lines...the rear Secula light mounted on 
the seat stay is in fact a bit ugly, but not enough to overcome the 
utility. It sticks out a bit, and may take a beating at some point. On the 
Riv staff bikes page, Roman has that light mounted cleanly on the seat tube 
just below the seat stay junction, but I always have bags on the saddle, so 
that solution is no go for me.

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[RBW] Re: clean-ish routing for generator lights

[Neil Doran]

Collin, nifty idea! I wouldn't mind a pic or two if you get time. But it 
sounds like you might be working with coaxial cable, which is thicker 'n' 
stiffer than what I am using, and likely better suited to those P 
clamps...but I do have some of those clamps somewhere...

Ttoshi, yes, I have seen reference to helicopter tape. I wonder, for this 
application, would regular 3M packing tape do the trick? I kinda like your 
idea of running under the top tube with tape, then tape or zip ties as 
needed in the rear triangle.

Thanks all! The Bunch rules for this stuff...

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[RBW] clean-ish routing for generator lights

[Neil Doran]

I just added dyno power and front/rear lights to my Sam. The cabling in the 
front along the 27f Nitto rack is straightforward enough, but I am looking 
for a clean-ish solution for the rear lamp that is mounted along the left 
side seatstay. 

Any cool tricks for routing and securing the cable? This bike now lives 
fender-free, and sees a lot of dirt action, making me think of staying away 
from the down tube and instead running under the top tube. What do folks 
use to secure and/or hide the cable? Packing tape? Tiny zip ties?

Thanks,

Neil

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[RBW] Re: FotR: Updates, info, questions

[Neil Doran]

Hello Ash - Samuel P Taylor is a great place for kids. The Cross Marin 
Trail runs right through it, and is a 3-4 mile stretch of perfect, flat 
bike path through the redwoods. It runs right along Lagunitas Creek the 
whole way, with many opportunities for playing in the creek and checking 
stuff out. Plus a couple of great, short hikes as well. 

As far as other kid-friendly riding, I think the pickings are rather slim, 
but there are some cool options in Pt Reyes...one idea is driving out to 
the Pt Reyes visitors center and ride out the Bear Valley Trail...probably 
3 miles of wide fire road, then you gotta lock the bikes and walk the rest 
of the way to the ocean. Actually, that is a pretty fun outing...the ocean 
view is splendid from the bluffs, but there is no beach access.

Another idea is to park at the hostel near the end of Limantour Road and 
ride the 2.5 miles of dirt road out to Coast Camp...great beach access 
there, along with creeks running into the ocean...generally very kid 
friendly.

Both spots are only a short drive from SPT.

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 1:58:31 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote:
>
> Hey Justin, thanks a ton for making this happen!
>
> I'll be accompanied by my 7 yr old son, who will be on his bike trailer. 
>  Hence, joining the regular ride group does not seem feasible.  If anybody 
> else is on the same boat, we can figure out a  shorter/easier ride.  The 
> plan would be something like drive to a place that is 10-15 miles from the 
> campsite and then ride.  I'm 100% unfamiliar with the area.  Any 
> suggestions for this type of ride would be great!
>
> On Friday, 18 January 2019 12:01:31 UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks,
>> As was alluded to earlier I was able to get campgrounds for the weekend 
>> of July 19-21 at Devil's Gulch Group Camps in Samuel P Taylor Park.
>> Location: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhv67LvKJLT2
>> Park Info: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=469
>> Please read the info there
>> Camp site details:
>> - Limit of 10 folks per site. I'm thinking that we can be fudgey with 
>> that number because we are coming on bikes and are very good stewards and 
>> citizens and will be on our best behavior
>> - 3 Vehicles allowed per site if folks want to have family come that 
>> aren't bike-riders or just want to drive to the camp/ride
>> - Drinking water & Restrooms are available
>> - Tents only, no hammocks
>>
>> Now on to activities & other things:
>> Are you going for sure? Register here: https://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
>>
>> Many folks said they would want to lead a ride of some sort. Would a sign 
>> up via a Google Form make sense?
>> Do we want to group-coordinate food? Drinks? Campfire supplies? Or do we 
>> want to do it individually?
>>
>> Any other considerations I have yet to bring up?
>> -J
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] anyone for NAHBS? March 15 - 17, Sacramento, CA

[Neil Doran]

North American Handmade Bike Show (NAHBS) is back in Sac this year (yay!). 
March 15 - 17.

Anybody else plan on going? Went last time it was in town, and it was a lot 
of fun. I plan to ride from home (Rocklin) probably for the Saturday 
session, if any other Sac-area folks want to meet up.

Cheers,

N.

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[RBW] Re: FotR: Updates, info, questions

[Neil Doran]

Most excellent! Was just wondering what the status was. Definitely in here.

I'm still up for rear-leading the Pine Mountain-BoFax ride...looks like it 
is about 33 miles, probably just about 50/50 dirt to pavement...lotsa 
climbing, but only significant one (I think) is pavement after Alpine Dam. 
This one has lots to offer..stellar views (depending on fog), history (Pine 
Mt Truck Road, the top of RePack, etc.), side trips galore (Tamarancho, 
Pine Mountain, RePack, etc.) for anyone who wants more (not me).

Going our own on food and drink sounds simple to me.

If I can carve out the time I intend to take the train down and do the 
'whole enchilada', riding through SF and Marin...but if I drive, I can 
bring large quantities of firewood and related supplies. But I would rather 
ride.

Thank you for doing the legwork on this.

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
> As was alluded to earlier I was able to get campgrounds for the weekend of 
> July 19-21 at Devil's Gulch Group Camps in Samuel P Taylor Park.
> Location: https://goo.gl/maps/Qhv67LvKJLT2
> Park Info: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=469
> Please read the info there
> Camp site details:
> - Limit of 10 folks per site. I'm thinking that we can be fudgey with that 
> number because we are coming on bikes and are very good stewards and 
> citizens and will be on our best behavior
> - 3 Vehicles allowed per site if folks want to have family come that 
> aren't bike-riders or just want to drive to the camp/ride
> - Drinking water & Restrooms are available
> - Tents only, no hammocks
>
> Now on to activities & other things:
> Are you going for sure? Register here: https://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
>
> Many folks said they would want to lead a ride of some sort. Would a sign 
> up via a Google Form make sense?
> Do we want to group-coordinate food? Drinks? Campfire supplies? Or do we 
> want to do it individually?
>
> Any other considerations I have yet to bring up?
> -J
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT- Death Valley on foot

[Neil Doran]

The Cottonwood Canyon - Marble Canyon loop seems an obvious candidate...2-3 
nights with water sources. Access is via the road out past the air strip 
from Stovepipe Wells. That road might be a bit dicey in a rental...there is 
some soft sand for a few miles, and some washboard...but I've seen all 
manner of cars get through there. Worst case, you could thumb a ride into 
the canyon...always lots of friendly folks coming and going.

I've also heard that Fall Canyon has some nice camping...accessed from the 
parking lot at the exit from Titus Canyon.

On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 3:50:00 PM UTC-8, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Lookin' to my fellow Rivsters for tips on Death Valley. 
>
> Headin' there for a week with my sis. Looking to do hikes and backpacking 
> if resources allow. We're fairly experienced desert backwoodsies but know 
> little about DV. We'll be driving in from Vegas with a rental car, but 
> nothing with clearance for jeep roads. Our backs are good for schlepping 
> enough water for an overnighter, but maybe not two. Dunno how the whole 
> government being shut down thing will affect this but we'll just hafta find 
> out.
>
> Any info much appreciated!
>
> Best,
> Ant R / PDX
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Neil Doran]

No experience with the group sites, but have seen them, and they all seem 
‘large’ and ‘flat’ enuff. 

The one along the Cross Marin Trail, before the bridge, seems large and 
private...pit toilet tho, I think Madrone has actual plumbing.

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[RBW] Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Neil Doran]

Very nice work, completed quickly. Curious about the camping plan: take over 
hiker-biker, or reserve sites? Very limited tent space in hiker-biker. Some 
good large sites with usable space down by the creek, but the upper sites have 
lots of slope and very little usable ground space. Group site seems the logical 
option, but need to jump on that, and $$$ for two nights. I think boyz on the 
hoodz did that a couple years back, but I think it was winter. 

The drag about doing anything in California is the need to reserve.

BUT, I had a dream about a great ride, Sherwood Forest / White’s Hill / Pine 
Mtn Road / BoFax Rd / Bolinas Ridge / Gem Trail. I volunteer to lead from 
behind!

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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

[Neil Doran]

Mark’s post rings true just now, regarding the random happenings associated 
with riding a bike. Recent happenings include inadvertently joining a Christmas 
parade, being bitten by a dog, and watching a team of college students operate 
a huge catapult to launch pumpkins and other projectiles. Life is grand on two 
wheels!

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[RBW] Re: Did you have a 2018 cycling goal? Did you achieve it?

[Neil Doran]

My evergreen goal is to ride every day. When I do that, everything else falls 
into place.

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[RBW] Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Neil Doran]

I also love the Cowchipper, enough that I picked up the Velo Orange quill stem 
that handles 31.8 bars. Worth it, and lighter than Nitto.

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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[Neil Doran]

Lotsa good ideas here, as usual. Thanks Bunch!

I picked up a Revelate feedbag yesterday at my local REI and immediately 
did not like it...my knee hits it when I stand to pedal. Plus my camera 
does not fit, so no go.

I am a dedicated Mark's rack and basket guy (and I load it heavy, ha!). 
I've been down the rando bag route, liked it for awhile, but I find Wald 
basket plus shopsack is just so versatile.

I found my camera does *just* fit into my Swift bar bag. That spot is kinda 
crowded with SIS cables and the aforementioned basket, but it does hold the 
camera well. Just not super easy to pull out.

I'll likely stick with what I got, or figure out some sort of padded insert 
that can live in my basket.

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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[Neil Doran]

That Outer Shell is a pretty nifty bag! Basically just what I'm looking 
for, especially with the camera insert. I have a Swift bag that lives in 
the same spot on the bars, but this one looks more versatile.

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:59:22 AM UTC-7, Adam in Indiana wrote:
>
> I'm quite fond of Outer shell Adventures' Drawcord Handlebar Bag.  Not 
> quite the same style you're asking about, but can still be opened and 
> closed with one hand, and he also makes a separate padded liner if youre 
> carrying a camera in it.
>
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 12:13:54 PM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
> > What do folks like for handlebar/stem bags, especially ones that can 
> hold an SLR with short lens? I missed the boat on the Riv product a while 
> back.
> > 
> > 
> > I have a Carsick Designs stem bag that I love, but it is first gen meant 
> only for a bike water bottle. Need bigger.
> > 
> > 
> > Randi Jo looks great, just not sure it is wide enough. I'm sure I would 
> not regret the purchase, tho.
> > 
> > 
> > Revelate seems to be a standard-bearer, and apparently has one-handed 
> operation, which seems slick.
> > 
> > 
> > Any opinions out there?
>
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[RBW] handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[Neil Doran]

What do folks like for handlebar/stem bags, especially ones that can hold 
an SLR with short lens? I missed the boat on the Riv product a while back.

I have a Carsick Designs stem bag that I love, but it is first gen meant 
only for a bike water bottle. Need bigger.

Randi Jo looks great, just not sure it is wide enough. I'm sure I would not 
regret the purchase, tho.

Revelate seems to be a standard-bearer, and apparently has one-handed 
operation, which seems slick.

Any opinions out there?

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[RBW] Rolling Coal On That Coastal Stallion

[Neil Doran]

Congrats good Sir, and a very fine bike! It chagrins me to learn that ‘coal’ is 
‘rolled’ on the Oregon coast, as I thought that 1) ‘coal’ was ‘rolled’ only 
east of the mighty Mississippi, and 2) that the OR coast was the realm of 
virtuous drivers, copious hiker-biker camping, and ‘live and let live’ 
mentality. And good ice cream. Thank you for the education, and ride on!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell World Headquarters Visit

[Neil Doran]

Wow, looks like the showroom is chock full o bikes! Lots of happy 
soon-to-be-Riv-owners!

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[RBW] WTB a Stickpack

[Neil Doran]

Remember the Stickpack? Anybody have one they want to part with? Can offer 
$ or other Riv bits in trade.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Neil Doran]

I suggest we all continue to put baskets on Nitto racks, load them up, and not 
be stupid. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Naive but very important question: how best to attach 12-packs to your rear rack?

[Neil Doran]

This thread is gold. My two cents...

- cans > bottles for this and every application. Can’t remember the last time I 
purchased bottles. 

- yes, straps over bungees. But basket + net for the win.

- I’m intrigued by Triscuits + Crystal hot sauce. Might one substitute Tabasco? 
I feel it must be vinegar-based.

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[RBW] Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Neil Doran]

My experience is they run small.

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[RBW] FS: SOMA ES

[Neil Doran]

The ES is for Extra Smooth...

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[RBW] Re: FS

[Neil Doran]

Wot size, looks like 559?

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report--La Ruta Loca 200k

[Neil Doran]

Great read, and congrats on the ride. I’ve ridden every inch of that, but good 
Dog, not in the same day...

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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Neil Doran]

Pickles. And mustard. 

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[RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Neil Doran]

Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/

I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.

I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
cost me a small fortune to find out.

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[RBW] FS Carsick wax canvas panniers, $50 plus shipping

[Neil Doran]

Quality bags at a steal! Happy buyer I’m sure.

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 vs 31.8

[Neil Doran]

No idea if 26.0 is going away, but depending on what you want, 31.8 may 
have way better options. I wanted Salsa bars, so had to go with new 31.8 
stem. I don't notice a functional difference, other than the salsa setup 
feels flexier than the noodle that preceded it.

You could always buy the 31.8 and shim as needed for max flexibility.

That 0/30 degree extension is interesting...I suppose it will basically 
match the reach of your atlantis with trad stem and swept bars?

Velo Orange also has a quill stem with removable faceplate, that is what I 
went with at about 80 clams. I like it.

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:30:41 PM UTC-7, Drw wrote:
>
> I'm considering getting one of the analog stems for my atlantis. they are 
> pretty pricey, so i'm hemming and hawing about the size because i dont want 
> to have to buy another stem anytime soon. all the bars ive ever used have 
> been 25.4 or 26. Are there reasons for going 31.8? will 26.0 bars be 
> obsolete soon? 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-approved Nitto cockpit

[Neil Doran]

SOLD, thanks Jeremy!

On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 8:24:15 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Yep, wrapped up tightly with two-tone cloth tape. Pic below.
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EMExlhhh0Is/WvBvlBtAPlI/CDg/UCigslVRN4ctV9CShDeUHOlaST1YjYOFwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0309%255B1%255D.JPG>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 5:47:22 PM UTC-7, Wesley Applequist wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any pictures of the setup? Also, are the bars wrapped?
>>
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 12:06:22 AM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Got a new cockpit on my Sam, and selling the olde one. Would prefer to 
>>> sell as a unit, but will part out if nobody wants the whole enchilada. 
>>>
>>> - Nitto noodle 44 cm 
>>>
>>> - Nitto Tallux 80mm, standard Riv issue (long one) 
>>>
>>> - TRP drillium levers, *new* gum hoods 
>>>
>>> - Silver Shifters, smooth as butter 
>>>
>>> Thinking $180 for this setup, let me know if I’m way off base. I’ll 
>>> split shipping with you, or meet me somewhere east of Sacramento.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Has anyone attached a saddlesack to a front rack?

[Neil Doran]

That is a great looking bag for $100! Surely not MuSA, but good all the same,

Those Mash racks look very much like pass n stow, any idea if they are the same?

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[RBW] Re: Sim Works Getaround Bar clamp diameter?

[Neil Doran]

I just learnt several things in these four posts, thanks Bunch!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-approved Nitto cockpit

[Neil Doran]

Yep, wrapped up tightly with two-tone cloth tape. Pic below.

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EMExlhhh0Is/WvBvlBtAPlI/CDg/UCigslVRN4ctV9CShDeUHOlaST1YjYOFwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0309%255B1%255D.JPG>


On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 5:47:22 PM UTC-7, Wesley Applequist wrote:
>
> Do you have any pictures of the setup? Also, are the bars wrapped?
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 12:06:22 AM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Got a new cockpit on my Sam, and selling the olde one. Would prefer to 
>> sell as a unit, but will part out if nobody wants the whole enchilada. 
>>
>> - Nitto noodle 44 cm 
>>
>> - Nitto Tallux 80mm, standard Riv issue (long one) 
>>
>> - TRP drillium levers, *new* gum hoods 
>>
>> - Silver Shifters, smooth as butter 
>>
>> Thinking $180 for this setup, let me know if I’m way off base. I’ll split 
>> shipping with you, or meet me somewhere east of Sacramento.
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Riv-approved Nitto cockpit

[Neil Doran]

Got a new cockpit on my Sam, and selling the olde one. Would prefer to sell as 
a unit, but will part out if nobody wants the whole enchilada.

- Nitto noodle 44 cm

- Nitto Tallux 80mm, standard Riv issue (long one)

- TRP drillium levers, *new* gum hoods

- Silver Shifters, smooth as butter

Thinking $180 for this setup, let me know if I’m way off base. I’ll split 
shipping with you, or meet me somewhere east of Sacramento.

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[RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Neil Doran]

I know those trails well, and that is a grande ride. Super fun, even under 
biking, but then you gotta work. Plus the bummer pave at the end. I’m assuming 
you BARTed home?

I have attained the holy grail of adulthood with my 9 mile RT commute, replete 
with alternative coffee and beer stops, and lonely trails for the ‘long’ way 
home.

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[RBW] Surly racks for sale

[Neil Doran]

Bump for a very good deal! They’ll sell in a heartbeat.

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[RBW] Re: WTB 3 x 9 brifters

[Neil Doran]

Thanks guys! Looking for drop bar brifters compatible with Tektro 559 
calipers. I think that means 'short pull' with no modifications. 

On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 7:34:36 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Anybody have a set clogging up their parts bin? I wanna try modern 
> shifting on my Sam. Shimano drivetrain and Tektro long reach, natch.

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[RBW] WTB 3 x 9 brifters

[Neil Doran]

Anybody have a set clogging up their parts bin? I wanna try modern shifting on 
my Sam. Shimano drivetrain and Tektro long reach, natch.

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Mustasche

[Neil Doran]

Yes, I has...you want? What is fair? Never mounted.

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[RBW] Re: Who rides an off-roadish Sam?

[Neil Doran]

Good stuff!

Deacon - I would love to try Jan's knobbies, but I think there is too much 
pavement in my world for a high-end knobbie. Based on my experience with 
Compass tires, they would wear too quickly.

I've always wanted to try Rock n Roads, but have always heard that they 
wear quickly and are loud/slow on roads. They sure look fun for the mud, 
tho!

RJM - the Chumba Terlingua has been on my radar, and wow! Custom steel for 
$1,500 sounds like a steal! I've also been ogling the All City Cosmic 
Stallion, and the Ibis Hakka MX. Of the three, I think I favor the 
Stallion. 

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[RBW] Who rides an off-roadish Sam?

[Neil Doran]

I've always loved riding my Sam in the dirt, and regularly 'underbike' my 
Sam and my Surly commuter through all manner of trail. Love it.

But a big mixed-terrain ride a few weeks back got me thinking about a more 
dirt-capable build. Roman's bike also serves as fodder for the idea:



Really, the lynch pin is high-volume knobbies, and I think the Cazaderos 
are the ones to try. Roman thinks they will fit under 559s. I'm thinking 
knobbie tires, a short-reach drop bar rather than Noodles, and maybe even 
brifters. I'm not manly enough to go 1x, but a hi-lo double might be sweet.

The alternative is a new bike (disk brakes, 650B with room for fatties), 
which I really shouldn't do.

Let me know what you have done to off-road your Sam!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Cambium C-17 slate, as new

[Neil Doran]

Saddle is sold, thanks Drew!

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Brooks Cambium C-17, slate, as new condition. Installed once and 
> immediately removed. $80 shipped CONUS.
>
> Wanna trade? I would consider trades for brifters or Soma Cazadero tires.
>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks Cambium C-17 slate, as new

[Neil Doran]

Brooks Cambium C-17, slate, as new condition. Installed once and 
immediately removed. $80 shipped CONUS.

Wanna trade? I would consider trades for brifters or Soma Cazadero tires.

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[RBW] FS: Acorn boxy rando bag + VO decaleur

[Neil Doran]

Acorn boxy rando bag, shows moderate use, but still perfectly functional. 
In ranger tan, with the turn buckles on the rear pockets, just like the one 
currently listed on their website.

Is fitted with, and I will include, a decaleur from Velo Orange for 1" 
threaded stems. For threadless setups, you can swap the receiver for a 
1.25" version from VO.

Asking $140 for the bag + decaleur, shipped CONUS. OR, will consider trade 
deals for Swift gear or quality, smallish front panniers.

Hmm, no idea why the photos are sideways...







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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Big Apples 26 x 2.35

[Neil Doran]

SOLD, pending a few details...

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 3:11:16 PM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> These are the 'Race Guard' versions.
>
> $50 shipped.
>

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[RBW] FS: Schwalbe Big Apples 26 x 2.35

[Neil Doran]

These are the 'Race Guard' versions.

$50 shipped.

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[RBW] Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Neil Doran]

That bike is insane. And not in a bad way. I wanna meet the fella that pulls 
the trigger on this.

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for panniers and handlebar bag

[Neil Doran]

Another vote for Nitto 27f, works flawlessly and is rock solid.

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
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> Hey folks,
>
> I'm looking for recommendations for a front rack that will let me use 
> lowrider panniers AND a handlebar bag. I'm sure the Nitto Big Front Rack 
> works, but has anyone used something else and loved it?
>

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[RBW] ~mixed terrain~ Tour de Placer Roubaix, Auburn, CA - Jan 21 2018

[Neil Doran]

Thought this event might be of some interest to Sacramento/foothills/Gold 
Country Riv folks...route not yet released, but 50-ish miles, at least 20 
on dirt, including infamous Yankee Jim's Road into and out of the NF 
American River canyon. Very pretty out there in winter!

Aid stations, post-ride beer and tacos, low entry of $40, benefiting kids 
mountain biking...sounds good to me!

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/third-annual-tour-de-placer-roubaix-benefit-for-placer-foothills-mtb-team-tickets-40927653714


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[RBW] frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[Neil Doran]

I'm contemplating adding a small frame bag (top tube bag) to my 55 cm Sam. 
The idea would be to generally replace my Acorn transverse seat bag for 
standard rides, and to offer more capacity for bike camping and overnights. 
I would expect that the frame bag would live on the bike full time. I like 
the smaller frame bag to allow continued use of full-size water bottles.

Revelate looks good for off the shelf, but Rogue Panda offers custom jobs 
at very competitive price. Oveja Negra also looks quite nice. Anybody have 
real-world, day-to-day experience with a frame bag on their Riv?

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[RBW] Rivendell shipping: exceptional!

[Neil Doran]

We all know the Riv folks are Jedi box packers, but I have to send a 
shout-out to the gang regarding shipping speed. I placed a small order 
yesterday at about 3 PM. Twenty minutes later, the order had shipped, and 
is now out on the brown truck for delivery! Granted, I only live 100 miles 
from Riv HQ, but that is exceptional service, especially with free 
shipping. It is this level of service that keeps me off of Amazon.

Well, that, and where else will I find pine tar soap, a cup of beeswax, and 
an SKS fender stay kit, all from the same supplier? Only at Riv...

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[RBW] WTB: the big Randi Jo bartender bag

[Neil Doran]

I missed the boat on these, and according to Will, it was another famous 
Rive one-off, never to return. If anybody has one they want to off-load, I 
am interested! 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks c17

[Neil Doran]

Mike - I have one in slate, in as-new condition. Is $90 shipped a fair 
price?

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 2:10:22 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
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> Hey there group,   Does anyone have a Brooks c17 that theyre not enamored 
> with?   I'll take it if so!Thanks.   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Hub Area Rack, with non-Riv bags...can I?

[Neil Doran]

Thanks for all the responses. Pretty sure I'm gonna send my milk money to 
Japan for a Nitto Campee 27f, after seeing that setup last weekend on 
Jackbro's Hunq. Then I can run a multitude of Acorn/Wald/Swift options for 
camping and daily living. Choices...

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Neil]

Quickbeam is SOLD! Thanks for everyone's interest.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 8:44:00 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
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>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/rivendell-quickbeam-singlespeed-bicycle-60-cm-nitto-phil-wood-honjo-brooks-/391772091525
>

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