Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Roger Morrison]

Patrick,  yes it is a first generation Cyclone GT(with matching front 
derailleur). The frame is big, at 68cm. I bought the frameset a few months 
ago, and built it up mostly with stuff that I had on hand. It is a good 
riding bike, but a little on the heavy side. 

Other notable parts:
Shimano 7402 shifters(set to friction mode)
Shimano BR70 brakes
Nitto dirt drop bars 
Sugino AT crankset minus the small ring 
B17 saddle 
Deore seatpost 
STX wheelset from a Trek 520
38mm Gravelkings 
Nitto M12 rack
Swift Industries bags

Probably a couple other things that I am forgetting..


Roger Morrison 
Snohomish, WA


On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 4:51:20 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Roger; I wish I had even your abilities with photographs. Again, a 
> very nice pseudo-Riv.
>
> The new photo emphasizes the height of the frame; yours with 700C wheels 
> looks much like mine (58 cm c-c, but upsloping tt) with 559 X 41 (25 3/5" 
> tall) wheels.
>
> And is that an old Suntour Cyclone rd? 
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:34 PM Roger Morrison  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick. The fenders are Civia brand, and this is one of the 
>> colors that they came in( it's brick or clay looking). I bought them about 
>> eight or nine years ago. 
>>
>> Here's a photo that better captures the color.
>>
>> Roger in Snohomish(who needs to learn what time of day to take photos)
>>
>> [image: 3_20210325_184827_d6c1df071a39764a8416f82e461810728e2961c4.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:45:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Another very nice alt-Riv or Riv substitute. It may well be my eyes, but 
>>> are those wooden fenders, or simply painted to match the screen.
>>>
>>> Oh, and thank you for not pasting in a photo so big it expands the body 
>>> beyond typical window limits.
>>>
>>> I posted a photo of one of my pseudo-Rivs, the first Matthews (Matthews 
>>> 1:1). Here is another, Matthews 2:1. No verses to cite yet, tho' I may have 
>>> someone fix some relatively minor mishaps, after which it will be Matthews 
>>> 2:2. I have no Mark, Luke, or John.
>>>
>>> This is a simple clone of one of my Riv customs, but with all sorts of 
>>> tweaks and upgrades and modifications and features that Grant would never 
>>> countenance, such as: 118 mm OL spacing, home-made extra-long, extra-thin 
>>> rear dropouts to accommodate short Sturmey Archer axles, odd shifter 
>>> housing stop braze-ons, internal dynamo wiring, custom racks, and 
>>> picky-picky care to accommodate 42s with fenders with that 118 mm OL (turns 
>>> out I could have had it built with 114 OL: AM hub 114 mm, new/old Brit 
>>> fixed hub 110, and hopefully ASC -- we'll C if deal goes thru -- 114 mm OL; 
>>> otherwise 110 TF).
>>>
>>> And apologies for the really bad photo. I do try; this one was the 
>>> second attempt. I'll take a clearer one some day.
>>>
>>> Patrick "weird" Moore
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 2:40 PM Roger Morrison  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't found the super sized Riv yet. However I was able to build an 
>>>> Expedition with a big box on it recently. I still need to sort out a 
>>>> decaleur for it. [image: 20210516_110639.jpg]
>>>>
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[RBW] NEED A FAVOR FROM YOU 

[Roger and Carolyn SKALLERUD]

May I ask a favor.

Do you have an Account with Amazon?

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Trangia fuel in California?

[Roger]

Looks like there might have been a run on alcohol fuels (except the O’Reilly 
had HEET).
Berkeley REI, El Cerrito Big 5, and the local hardware stores all had their 
shelves cleared for some time, but I was just told on the phone that at REI 
Crown is in stock again.

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[RBW] Trangia fuel in California?

[Roger]

Looks like California is tightening up on VOC’s and has caused denatured 
alcohol to be taken off hardware store shelves.
What are affected people using to fuel their Trangias now?

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[RBW] Re: Tinting clear Shellac

[Roger]

The first time I shellacked bar tape, I stopped by Riv (probably when they 
were upstairs at the old address) and I believe it was Joe Bauder squeezed 
a small amount of liquid dye for me out of a plastic bottle to darken the 
shellac. It may have been an ounce or less of dye, and I don't remember 
exactly what it was, but it mixed in easily. A hardware store may be able 
to help with some dye.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 7:08:26 PM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> Greetings 
> Curious if anyone knows how to tint Bullseye clear Shellac to an Amber 
> color? 
> I have a full quart of clear and don’t really want to buy another quart of 
> Amber. I know there are tinted flakes out there but that’s also more 
> Shellac. Is there a way to tint the existing Shellac I already have? 
> Thank you 

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[RBW] Re: An LBS success story for a change: Blue Heron Bikes

[Roger]

I like going their way whenever possible as well,and just wish I could 
justify a cool cargo bike. I like chatting with Rob, and used to greatly 
enjoy talking with fellow list-member Jeremy, before his move to Sac.
Reminds me, I have a 531 frame I was going to ask if they felt comfortable 
spreading from 130mm to 135mm. If not I guess I'd ask... Missing Link?

On Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 6:28:35 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Blue Heron Bikes in Berkeley is a very small volume Rivendell dealer.  
> They stock Hillbornes and Clems, maybe an Appaloosa or two.  Their clearly 
> defined niche though is that they are THE place in the East Bay to go for 
> utility bikes, Bromptons, cargo bikes, e-assist, etcetera.  I try to bring 
> them as much of my business as I can.  The things I buy from them include, 
> tubes, Newbaums and grips, small parts, bells, reflective items.  I went by 
> yesterday to buy tubeless rim tape and tubes to find the interior of the 
> store coated with dust.  They had blown out the back wall and were 
> expanding. I had a nice chat with the owner, who has a one-syllable 
> man-name that I always forget: Mike, Rob, Bob, whatever. His history is 
> that he was a sales rep for one of the distributors and lived a life on the 
> road for a long time. He's probably in his mid-50s now. I asked if he was 
> going to expand his offerings or just do more of the things he already 
> does. He indicated he's focused on just servicing his current focus better, 
> which I think is a good plan for a local shop.  Be mainstream enough that 
> you can sell all the mainstream bits to your local community, but be the 
> absolute best at some thing that will cause people to come from a much 
> larger radius to see you.  "Big" bikes is a great niche in 2019, because 
> it's really intimidating buying something like a cargo bike online.  Having 
> a shop that stocks them and knows them is a treasure.  I was really happy 
> to see him succeeding.
>
> HOT TIP!  If you are a Bay Area rider and need/want a 58cm Hillborne.  
> Blue Heron has a complete on the rack to sell you.  Rivendell is out of 
> them in 58 and won't have them for some time.  The one Blue Heron has on 
> the rack is a caliper brake model.  It's in the lovely burnt orange 
> colorway.   That's all the road bike a 6'1" civilized human could ever 
> need.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Roger]

This may not be new, but I just noticed that I can't find the "2" in any of 
the new labels.
Has" Atlantis 2" become "Atlantis"?

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[RBW] Re: One month VO Touring rear hub review.

[Roger]

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> If ah puwt aneey baseball cards in mah spoekes its gunna be 70's Oryuls, 
> Hon!
>

My Appaloosa don't want none
Unless it's got Oryuls, hon!

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[RBW] Re: One month VO Touring rear hub review.

[Roger]

Bmx guys get really proud of how loud their hubs can be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnj1he3beU

I have a Profile Madera single speed hub spaced out to 120mm for my single 
speed commuter and have found the buzzing bees of coasting is easier and 
more effective than pinging my bell. And pedaling backwards really gets 
those pawls thrumming.

On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 10:36:28 AM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
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> Just watched some you tube videos. Wow. That’s some noise. 

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[RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Roger]

Ben Zobrist was the A’s Greek God of Walks!

RBWHQ is pretty much on the commute from Danville, where a lot of ball payers 
have chosen to live, and the Colisseum. Maybe he stopped by when he was a 
local...

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Roger]

I added a note that Appaloosa was first available in March of 2016. 

I think Appaloosa was, like the various iterations of the name Roscoe 
Bubbe/Boscoe Rubbe, a name that was floating around for awhile waiting to 
be paired with a bike concept that was going to move forward into 
production.The original use of the name in print predated its use as what 
we now know as Appaloosa by several years.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New Phil cassette hub

[Roger]

Gotcha. That hadn't occurred to me.

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 12:35:51 PM UTC-7, Forrest Harvey wrote:
>
> That is tape to protect the hub I believe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Phil cassette hub

[Roger]

I notice the blue stripe on the hub and haven't seen that very much before. 
Does the blue stripe denote something particular, like its specs or product 
line?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 9:28:32 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That link let's people edit your ad. Let's try this one. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/fs-philh-disc-rear-hub/6658276884.html
>

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[RBW] Re: Pics of Jones SG 2.5 on Appaloosa

[Roger]

Beautiful Silver Appaloosa, and the setting of the photo makes me nostalgic for 
when Douglas Brooks would post photos of his stable, in the early days of this 
forum.

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[RBW] Re: 46cm appa clearance

[Roger]

I have Schwalbe " Big Ones" on my Appaloosa, which I believe are 700x60.
Not sure a fender would fit, though...

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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 10 topics

[Roger and Carolyn SKALLERUD]

I have  a Nigel Smith banana bag, Blue  tweed $100 shipped



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  *   How hot is too hot? - 4 Updates
  *   Request for a safety review - 4 Updates
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Can you Bunny hop a Rivbike? 

lum gim fong : Jul 17 11:33AM -0700

Trying to learn on my Bleriot and Rambouillet but can barely get the front end 
up. Any ideas?
I do have a handlebar bag.
Can you wheelie/ curb hop up with a front load of ~5 lbs. or is that my mistake?

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ISO: Nigel Smythe bag 

lum gim fong : Jul 17 11:30AM -0700

Saddle or front rack.
Let me know. Thanks.

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Looking for used set of 26x2.4 tires. 

Hugh Smitham : Jul 17 11:28AM -0700

Howdy,

As my title say's I'm looking for a set of 26x2.3 tires. I have a 1995 18"
Salsa Ala Carte and I have 26x2.1 Thunder Burt's mounted currently but I'd
like to try squeezing in a 2.4 tire. I'm selling it potentially to a friend
but he'd like a wider tire. That said I'd like to keep the cost down as
this is an experiment. I'll obviously pay for shipping.

Thanks,

~Hugh

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Stem/ bars/wheels/brakes for sale 

lum gim fong : Jul 17 11:25AM -0700

Brakes are sold

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How hot is too hot? 

Tim : Jul 17 06:50AM -0700

The 5 day forecast here in KC is for mid to upper 90s (94 being the "coolest" 
high temp, 98 being the hottest) with lows of mid to upper 70s, sunny, 50-60% 
humidity and zero chance of rain. Light winds for this area, always out of the 
SW. Kansas City Ultra Cycling has moved the start time for Friday's Belgium Day 
100K ride from 9:00 am to 6:30 am to beat some of the heat.

Personally, there are zero days per year that I consider too hot to ride. I 
sweat like crazy and I seem to hold up to the heat very well, although my 
fitness is not where I'd like and I need to lose weight, so I may not ride the 
Belgian ride, but I'll be on my bike every day, with rides between 15 and at 
least 50 miles. I am, admittedly short on common sense, though.

Anyway, I know it's hot everywhere so how about you guys? I know Riv's don't 
melt because HQ is over 100 degrees quite often. Stay hydrated out there! I'm 
going shopping online for an asbestos chamois!

EasyRider : Jul 17 09:23AM -0700

Here in D.C., we're into our second week of mid-90s with high humidity, so
the heat index has climbed to 100 a few times ... it was 106 last Thursday.
100 is about where I draw the line. Combined with air pollution, a 15 mile
round trip commute downtown in those conditions becomes rather unpleasant,
and probably unhealthy.

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:50:32 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

Steve Palincsar : Jul 17 01:58PM -0400

On 07/17/2017 12:23 PM, EasyRider wrote:
> 106 last Thursday. 100 is about where I draw the line. Combined with
> air pollution, a 15 mile round trip commute downtown in those
> conditions becomes rather unpleasant, and probably unhealthy.

A lot depends on where you ride, and specifically on how much shade
there is. I led a ride on that same Thursday in the Brandywine MD area,
and I found it actually pretty comfortable and pleasant most of the
time, except for the two flat tires I had. Here's the route:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22794252 There was also an A/B leader;
here are links to our ride reports:

[RBW] Re: FIELD TRIP: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Roger]

Hey!
How'd the field trip go?

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Re: [RBW] Second (lighter) wheelset for my Atlantis?

[Roger]

If your buds leave you behind because you're going 15 and they can go 16, maybe 
you don't need better gear, just better friends.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Roger]

Are we on for this Saturday, June 10?
My first weekend at home in over a month and I'm looking forward to seeing the 
crew.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Roger]

*EIGHT AM*
Got it!


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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Roger]

I really enjoyed myself, meeting the 3 of you.
Here are some pics I took. Sorry Kellie, I have never used Instagram, but 
you're welcome to paste the photos from this Flickr album:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskWoWwXP

Roger

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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Roger]

Have fun!
I ended up going out of town for the weekend, but will lift a mug to you.

Here's a pic of when I had Saturday coffee outside at Marina Bay awhile back.
https://tinyurl.com/j8vq65g

Looking forward to next time.

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[RBW] Small Appaloosas going away

[Roger]

Oops 
When I typed Hillborne I was thinking Hilsen

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[RBW] Small Appaloosas going away

[Roger]

For models built in batches the logic is clear, but Ive wondered about this,for 
small and large Atlantis, Hillborne, or other frames built on individual order, 
not batches, what  about being small or large would make them be discontinued? 
Are there different tubes or lugs that would need to  be held in inventory just 
for those sizes?

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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Roger]

Aargh!
I've been working on my French press caldera setup and forgot coffee 
outside was this morning!
And it was just a wonderful 5 miles on the Bay Trail, too!
It was in the back of my mind, but my memory twisted and remembered it as 
wanting to go photograph the early spring waterfowl along the waterfront.
Double aargh, is next Saturday at Marina Bay as well?

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
>
> 
> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>

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[RBW] WTB large bag

[Roger and Carolyn SKALLERUD]

I have a carradice nelson long flap and a large baggins I don't use, contact me 
off linercska...@msn.com  

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[RBW] Re: ACW store just got a big revamp and restock for all you Associated coffeeoutside types.

[Roger]

i just received my mug and not only did it arrive intact, it is the cat's 
pajamas!

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 7:22:19 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> Over the last couple years I've had multiple requests for both tees and 
> ceramic at home mugs. Apologies for taking so long, but I have finally 
> dipped my toe in those waters.
>
> Decided to try out a small order of custom cycling caps made in TX by 
> Ellum Bag Works. Plus new enamel mugs and patches.
>
> Our weather has been quite off and on and seemingly the "off" has been 
> perfectly timed with my "on" to thwart my riding. Luckily it seems the ice 
> has broken and finally got out for some of my own coffeeoutside excursions. 
> It's amazing how recharging getting back on the bike is. Even with fitness 
> being in the tank, it's so good to get pedaling.
>
> 
> Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen store 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[Roger]

Northumbrian green!
 The one advertised as "it'll only stink for a few months."
I think I still have my Camper Longflap somewhere.

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[RBW] Re: The newest BLUG

[Roger]

If you ask the person whose career/volunteering is based on being the 
go-between of goods/services and those who need them if it is a good idea to 
cut them out of the loop and give directly, I would guess you'll always hear 
them tell you their role is important and to  keep them in the loop.

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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Roger Blake]

Cauls are shaped wood pieces, in this case curved to suite the shape of the 
chain guard.  They go between the steel clamp(s) and the chain guard.  They 
distribute the forces of the the clamp and protect the chain guard from 
being dented by the clamp. Done in this way, the repair will be stronger at 
the glue line than it was originally. If it breaks again it will be 
somewhere else.

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 4:58:28 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>
> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to 
> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades, 
> cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what you want. 
>
> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my 
> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom 
> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>
> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; I 
> think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look 
> ugly.
>
> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>
> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary 
> reference.
>
> Out flew the web and floated wide-
> The mirror crack'd from side to side;
> "The curse is come upon me," cried
> The Lady of Shalott.
>
> Patrick Moore, who blushes to admit that he finds at least a few Tennyson 
> lines appealing, in ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
>
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> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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>
> *
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Roger Blake]

It looks fixable with wood glue. It need to clamped and requires shaped 
wood cauls. 

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 4:58:28 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>
> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to 
> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades, 
> cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what you want. 
>
> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my 
> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom 
> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>
> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; I 
> think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look 
> ugly.
>
> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>
> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary 
> reference.
>
> Out flew the web and floated wide-
> The mirror crack'd from side to side;
> "The curse is come upon me," cried
> The Lady of Shalott.
>
> Patrick Moore, who blushes to admit that he finds at least a few Tennyson 
> lines appealing, in ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
>
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> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> Other professional writing services.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>
> *
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

[Roger]

Visually, the website picture of the rear hub seems identical to the hubs 
sold at last year's garage sale (except for the whimsical 
can't-spell-stuff-good new logo). The front is a different design.

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[RBW] Re: This is why no one likes riding with me.

[Roger]

Who busted out some fast glass to catch that bokeh  ;^)
Beautiful shots, thanks for sharing.

On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 8:14:23 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Hot. Steep. Loose. Sunburnt. Tired.

 Ladyfriend says not to kill my friends as they are the only ones willing 
 to ride with you.

 Pictures proved that when the sun is out guns are out:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHskckbxgC


 Manny I melt brains Acosta


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[RBW] Re: FT/S: 70mm Technomic Dlx. (Tallux) stem for 130mm

[Roger]

Jeremy,
I have a 120mm extension that could become yours, if that is of interest.

So, how's life in Sacto?

On Sunday, April 5, 2015 at 8:14:51 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:

 Bump.  Sale is definitely an option too, say $50 OBO shipped?

 On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 8:34:03 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:

 I'm interested in trying out a stem on the opposite extreme of the length 
 spectrum, so I'm putting my very lightly used 70mm Technomic Deluxe up for 
 trade, or possibly sale.  It has a 25.4mm handlebar clamp and is the longer 
 225mm quill length, what Riv refers as the Tallux.  It has been installed 
 twice and used for less than 100 miles each time, and it has a couple of 
 very minor scratches on the front of the quill.  I would like to trade for 
 a similar Tallux in the 130mm length.  I would prefer 25.4mm clamp but 
 26.0mm is acceptable, I'll just use a shim with my Albatrosses.  I would 
 also take any reasonably interesting quill stem in the 130mm-140mm range 
 with a long quill, or would also give you a little bit of cash as well as 
 the stem for a pair of Albastaches.

 Pictures here:  
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk94UcVt

 I'm located in Sacramento, CA and could arrange a local trade here or in 
 the SF Bay Area.  I would ship as well.  Will accept offers if you don't 
 have a stem to trade.  



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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

[Roger]

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:08:39 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 ...Used the single-walled one as your water boiling pot? 


Patrick,
Did you ever try using the Klean Kanteen for boiling? It can be a tippy 
affair if set on a flat surface stovetop. I found my Trangia plus Clikstand 
to require a great deal of care: find a flat surface, don't bump it, and 
then grasp, lift and pour very carefully. 

I regularly boil water in mine, but with the sturdiness of a caldera style 
surround. 

What's been your experience?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New White Industries ring design!

[Roger]

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 3:56:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 ... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wide+narrow+chainringl=1You can't run 
 wide/narrow rings with multiple chainrings because if you shifted from one 
 to the other and didn't hit the right kind of tooth, the chain would skate 
 on the top, or fall off, or get a narrow gap wedged onto a wide tooth...


I've been trying to picture one thing: do the number of teeth of the 
chainring plus the cog need to add up to an even number so that the pattern 
of thick/thin teeth meeting the thick/thin chain doesn't reverse to 
thick/thin meeting the thin/thick every other time around? 

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[RBW] Camera Bag companion for ShopSack / Wald Basket

[Roger]

Recently, I've been working on my camera skills in conjunction with 
investing in new camera gear (Olympus EM10 with several native and adaped 
lenses), and have been looking for a good way to carry an outing's worth of 
equipment along in a secure fashion. 

Camera bags are great, but bag inserts are a nice way to go if you already 
have a main bag you like and just want a camera bag to fit inside. 

The Timbuk2 Snoop Insert 
http://www.timbuk2.com/snoop-camera-insert/869.html?dwvar_869_size=3dwvar_869_color=2076mkwid=sL8s6jPW1pkw=timbuk2%20snoop%20insertpcrid=48320977024pdv=cgclid=CMLMyZn4h8QCFYiVfgodQg0AUw
 
is a nice way to go, if you already have a messenger bag. You can buy the 
same size insert as your bag to completely fill the main compartment, or 
you can get the insert that is one size down to still have some room left 
for other things.I have a Small insert in a Medium bag, and it holds most 
all of my gear.

The Shopsack / Wald basket combo is perhaps the most perfect bike 
accessory. It is the best commute and errand running setup I've used, and 
what I really wanted was an insert to work with the ShopSack.

A Camaroo insert is a nice, smaller bag insert. I have the Express Insert 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157651041432016/with/16498118769/for
 
Micro Four Third / Mirrorless Camera, which snuggles nicely into a Medium 
Shopsack. I like it for on the bike. I can access my gear while straddling 
the bike and keeping anything from moving around on me. It's also really 
good for when you pull the Shopsack off the bike and carry it ... wherever 
you are headed. My bag is about 8.5 x 6 x 4 and holds the camera, up to 4 
lenses, and various things. It takes up less than half of the zippable 
capacity of the Medium Shopsack, leaving space for your tools, personables 
and sweater.

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

[Roger]

Yep. It's got a Youtube (click here) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GTLDBei5w and everything:


On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 3:06:29 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Russ Roca style?

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

[Roger]

Klean Kanteens are very versatile and durable. My wife and I use them 
daily, in several ways:

   - drinking water around the house in uninsulated bottles
   - keeping coffee hot for hours, poured fresh out of the French Press
   - holding tea for sipping slowly over an hour's time
   
In addition, I use the pair of an insulated and uninsulated for making 
coffee while on a ride or camping. I made a caldera-style stove for using 
the uninsulated as a kettle, and make the coffee, Russ Roca style, in the 
insulated bottle. 

There are a few pictures showing the setup and how everything (except the 
Trangia stove puck) stores away in the two bottle cages here 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157636021321473/.

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[RBW] Re: Sams versatility

[Roger]

Michael,
Did you ever talk with Riv about this last June 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!profile/rbw-owners-bunch/APn2wQeL91z253AvHCcpWdptWkfJYPe-SX4RfiRS9dBpeM8ijsB7255PN3dLUhiVHGGQ9BXVOmcP/rbw-owners-bunch/sVhH8yUXPUE/lywVvKFNbIEJ
 
or December 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!profile/rbw-owners-bunch/APn2wQeL91z253AvHCcpWdptWkfJYPe-SX4RfiRS9dBpeM8ijsB7255PN3dLUhiVHGGQ9BXVOmcP/rbw-owners-bunch/M5IWLoRN-FY/kd3U428CCa8J
 
when you were considering an Atlantis or Hunq?
They're all really nice people on the phone at Rivendell.

I weight 250# and have put camping loads onto my 62cm Sam and liked the way 
it rode very well. With the 38-42 size tires the Sam was optimized for 
(such as 700x45 Smart Sam 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tsmart-10135.htm or 700x38 Conti 
Speedrides http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t108.htm) the load has 
carried well for me on hardpack off road surfaces, like I imagine your 
local fire trails would mostly be.

Roger

On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 6:25:13 AM UTC-8, michael sellers wrote:

 Some thoughts from the group please? I have my wifes Riv ordered and hope 
 to place the order for mine soon. I am 6' 235 pds 35' PBH,and will use my 
 bike for quick 4 mile trips to town, 35 mile rides to family visits in the 
 next county,and (hopefully) at some point a trip across the State of Tn. 
 Very limited off road use but maybe  occasional rides on  State Park fire 
 trails. Is this asking too much long term of  a Sam? Would an Atlantis or 
 Hunq be better suited to my plans? Thanks,Mike S.


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Re: [RBW] For sale 62cm Waterford Built Hunqapillar (revised posting)

[Roger]

Oh man, I test rode and wanted THAT bike. Even though it was a transitional 
version of the Hunqapillar of which surely very few were built, it seared 
itself into my brain as the perfection of that type of bike.
I believe it eventually sold to a customer and no doubt is making that 
person very happy.

On Sunday, December 7, 2014 7:21:32 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:


 Keith,
 Was Jay R.'s prototype for the larger tire clearance edition the frame 
 seen in this video or is this parallel 2TT one in the video even more 
 prototypical?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR4KaDeAuI


 Thanks,
 Jim W.


 On Dec 7, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Keith Beato wrote:

 Indeed! The 62cm Hunq's TT is long as it was designed around a bullmoose, 
 albatross, or any other bar other than the noodle which is why you often 
 see them with 130 technomic stems on Riv employees Hunqs. My picture shows 
 my original setup with bullmoose which I didn't care for due to wrist pain 
 I experienced when I rode anything over 20 miles. I used to ride the shop's 
 demo 62cm Hunq (Taiwan made edition) with Grant while I was waiting for 
 mine. It had albatross bars as did Jay R.'s first Waterford edition 
 (prototype for larger tire clearance edition). I should mention mine is 
 also the larger tire clearance edition.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 7, 2014, at 6:05 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Rivendell's Hunqapillar page describes the 62 as working for PBH's up to 
 100 cm. But it also says if you're in the high 6' range, to go with a 
 Bombadil (or Atlantis, I'd presume). 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hunqapillar.htm

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:12:38 AM UTC-7, Geoffrey wrote:

 I wish I was, I'm in the Midwest.

 On Saturday, December 6, 2014 11:41:47 PM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:

 If you're local come check
 It out

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Geoffrey rin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the info.  I have a PBH of 99.5cm.

 On Saturday, December 6, 2014 9:53:08 PM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:

 I'm 6'3 and have a 93cm PBH in the morning.  My Hunq's stand-over 
 height is the lowest of my 8 bikes including my 64cm Gunnar Roadie which 
 also has a sloping TT. 

 The reach on the Hunq is actually closer than my other bikes (Waterford 
 RS-22) despite the longer top tube length due to the higher bar position. 
 The reach is longer  on my 63.5cm Steve Rex, 63.5cm Map Randonneur Project 
 bike, and 64cm Gunnar Roadie plus 3 other Rivendells 

 My  other Riv'endells  all have higher SO heights with longer reaches 
 due to their specific setups. My  64cm Roadeo  (yes 64cm - its a one off 
 model I rode on PBP in 2011) has a 60cm top tube, while my 63cm Protovelo 
 has a 60.5 cm top tube, and my 65cm Hilsen has a 62cm top tube. The 
 variance in these top tube lengths is somewhat meaningless since the head 
 tube angles are different on all of the bikes mentioned.  My Roadeo has a 
 73 degree Head tube angle (same as my, Map, Rex, and Waterford which all 
 have similar TT lengths. My Gunnar has the shortest wheelbase and steepest 
 HT angle at 73.5 degrees. It has a 60cm TT length but longer reach due to 
 the saddle to bar position setup for the Oakland Port Ride.   



 On Dec 6, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey wrote:

 Keith, do you mind me asking how tall you are?  Gorgeous bike!

 On Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:36:28 AM UTC-6, Keith B wrote:

 I'm revising my prior posting and price of this 62cm Waterford Built 
 Hunq. 
 I am the original owner and purchased the complete bike from Rivendell 
 in Walnut Creek. The bike is excellent condition with larger tire 
 clearance. Price is $3,333. I paid over $4,700. I live locally in the 
 East 
 Bay and prefer local sales.
 Build details:
 Frame (Waterford Built w/custom paint job); Silver Chris King Headset
 Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24, Phil wood Bottom Bracket
 Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26.0
 Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brakers Interuptors, Shimano 9 sp Dura 
 Ace Bar End Shifters
 Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur

 WHEELS: 700c Rear 36 hole Phil Wood Hub 135 Synergy rim; 700c Front 36 
 hole Phil Wood Hub 
 Brakes: Front Paul Neo Retro Brake; Rear Paul Touring Canti Brake 
 w/Paul Moon Units cable guides. Schwable Marathon Dureme Tires
 Nitto S83 Seatpost 26.8
 Nitto cable hanger

 I will also consider selling as a Frame/Fork/Headset/Bottom Bracket 
 Combination with or without other parts. My email is klbeato at gmail. 
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Re: [RBW] Yet _even more_ travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

I can definitely taste how paper strips the oils and bass notes out of the 
types of coffee I roast (Jjavas, Yemens, East africans, etc). Lighter bodied, 
brighter coffees may be less affected.

As for plastic, it's not rational it just gives me the heeby jeebies. Not sure 
if I taste it. It does remind me of improvised roasting with popcorn poppers 
where the plastic lid would soften, deform and ultimately form plastic 
stalactites over the roasting bans.

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Re: [RBW] Yet _even more_ travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

Wow
iPhone Autocorrect and a bouncing bus really conspired against me in that post. 
sorry...

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[RBW] Yet _even more_ travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

As a continuation of this last winter/spring's thread Yet more travel 
*coffee* questions! 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/coffee/rbw-owners-bunch/lGetc-8p6XI/ab4n60B2PwAJ,
 
it seems the Helix Coffee Dripper 
http://store.oceanaircycles.com/products/helix-coffee-dripper sold by 
Ocean Air and others is coming onto the scene. Do any of us here have much 
experience with it that they could share?

For myself, I don't put paper or plastic into the path of my hot coffee, so 
it would take a metal travel filter to make this filter holder happen, but 
maybe that's available ... or tinker-able (!) Still, except for the paper, 
I'm very intrigued by this elegant solution.

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[RBW] Do you ride your drop bars above, at, or below saddle height on your Rivbikes?

[Roger]

I like to discover my dropbar height by shifting it over time until I find I'm 
using the drops about 1/3 of the time when just riding along. 

Turns out that puts the tops a few cams above the saddle.

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[RBW] Re: I ordered a Sam!

[Roger]

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:27:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 ...don't forget to document your box art...
 - Jim


One trade off to the joy of being able to visit RWHQ often is that I never 
get packages with box art.
My Hillborne was handed to me seconds after having its head badge affixed, 
with best wishes by Mark, which felt quite good, though. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Roger]

I've bike camped at Taylor several times and have always been told by other 
cyclists that no cyclist is turned away. 
One time, the biker paddock was filled when another group of cyclists 
showed up. The rangers led them away, but I don't really know if it was to 
another site or out of the park. I've always chosen to think positive, and 
that they were tucked in somewhere.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 Thinking Samuel Taylor on Sept 20th or 27th for one night out for anyone 
 interested in joining (Dan, Roger, anyone else). Those that have been there 
 can chime in if I'm wrong, but sounds like the hiker/biker site is first 
 come? If so can I be safe in assuming a spot if showing up mid-afternoon on 
 a Saturday? Or safer to reserve one of the legit spots that are reservable? 
 Will likely pedal up after lunch with goal of turning around and back by 
 lunch time the next day.


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org javascript:
  wrote:

 Hahaha does this count as ultralight? 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14617468440/


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org 
 javascript: wrote:

 DO IT


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 PM, William! william.c...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo.


 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2), 
 sleeping bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair xlite), jetboil, 
 clothes, and air pillow in my medium sackville saddlebag at 12.5 lbs. 
 plus 
 bike tools. Super excited. Leaves my front basket with a shopsack for 
 food, 
 toiletries, scenty things, whiskey, and other random items. ready to 
 roll! 
 now I just need to find a free weekend between now and 2030. anyone for a 
 mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September (I know, its a long ways 
 away, but I have 3 out of town trips in august! Still new to the bike 
 camping with my new Hunqapillar and gear, but not camping camping.

 also, anyone else just stuff their tent in the stuff sack? or is the 
 proper way to roll it and minimize creases? both short and long term 
 storage? I realize there's a million camping sites to ask this, but I 
 tend 
 to hang out here more.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Roger]

I've bike camped at Taylor several times and have always been told by other 
cyclists that no cyclist is turned away. 
One time, the biker paddock was filled when another group of cyclists 
showed up. The rangers led them away, but I don't really know if it was to 
another site or out of the park. I've always chosen to think positive, and 
that they were tucked in somewhere.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 ...sounds like the hiker/biker site is first come? If so can I be safe in 
 assuming a spot if showing up mid-afternoon on a Saturday? ...


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[RBW] Re: Entmoot and Mason Hill Kettles

[Roger]

I use a GSI 1 qt tea kettle that I like really well. I prefer their 
glacier stainless steel line to the various forms of coated or uncoated 
aluminum in other lines.
Here it is https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/10004554315/ in use 
with a Klikstand / Trangia stove.

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 4:31:34 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 I saw a few kettles used with Trangia stoves on the Entmoot, and I'm 
 curious what folks are enthralled with?  I don't mind the plain old bowl, 
 but pouring hot water in an aero press from a kettle is nicer...

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, WA
  

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[RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Roger]

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 ...anyone for a mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September...


Sounds great to me, DS.
Let's make some plans. 

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

[Roger]

Great to hear Andrew!

I prefer VO fenders to SKS and look forward to these clips, for peace of mind 
if nothing else.

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

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Those PDW clips look great.
Does anyone know if they are compatible with VO and/or Honjo?

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

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On Friday, July 25, 2014 6:16:16 PM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:

 Installed the PDW safety clips tonight.  They were a perfect fit on the VO 
 stays and adjustment was a piece of cake.


Thanks Andrew! That's really helpful to know.

 For the last few years I've been conflicted between that nagging 
Riv-fueled suspicion that any fenders without the SKS safety tab were less 
than optimally safe, yet every SKS fender I've had I've disliked enough to 
remove every time I thought there wouldn't be rain for awhile. The metal VO 
fenders I have on two bikes have become permanent parts on them - and I 
look forward to adding these clips to the VO fenders for peace of mind.

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[RBW] Re: Entmoot Motivated Change

[Roger]

On Monday, July 21, 2014 10:35:10 AM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:

 Thanks, everyone.  When I posed my question, I definitely didn't expect so 
 much chair input.  I commonly bring a small piece of cloth that I roll up 
 and strap to my saddlebag, affectionately referred to as my lollygagging 
 mat.  It provides just a little cushion and a clean spot to enjoy my 
 frequent coffee outside outings.  If I could get a chair to roll up to 
 the same size and no heavier, maybe I upgrade.  The hammock has been my 
 S24O game changer, and I saw several in the photos. 


The thing about a bunch of people gathering is that, sure, there may be one 
or two nice spots on a log or rock. But once 2 or 3 people have the 
comfortable, naturally occuring, spots in use if you want to join them you 
either stand until you get tired of standing there, or sit somewhere 
uncomfortable. A hammock seems to be just as troublesome for 5 or 10 people 
to all find a comfortable nearby spot.

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[RBW] Entmoot Motivated Change

[Roger]

Yes... A chair.
I liked the looks of the A Lite products.

Also, this group seems to like its beer pretty well. I think in future I would 
bring growlers of homebrew  in 2 liter bottles to save on portaging all those 
bottles.

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

[Roger]

I had been planning to camp at China Camp tonight. Anyone else?
I may switch over to the Friday Mt Diablo camp out if no one else is headed to 
CC today.

Who's up for China Camp Friday night?

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree roll call !!!

[Roger]

Yeah, I'm on my way to Riv now for the Mt Diablo overnight.

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[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop

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It's the Shoprat Wishlist. 
The salesman pressures the customer into what he himself wishes he could 
afford - barely used and at second hand prices - and voila! at some point 
down the road, gear is showing up back at the shop or on Craigslist for his 
ilk to get on the cheap. 

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:37:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I am reminded of hanging out at a LBS one Sunday afternoon and watching a 
 young sales person try to sell a full suspension mountain bike to a middle 
 age women  buying her first bike and wanting something for bike paths and 
 Vt's many dirt roads!  I had to bite my tongue.

 Michael

 On Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:49:53 AM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:

 On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that 
 catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber 
 bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their 
 customer's actual needs in mind.

 As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I 
 listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those 
 carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall 
 fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the 
 conversation he was a new rider.

 The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use 
 padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further 
 explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib 
 shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be 
 uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because 
 with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. 
 The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and 
 your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were 
 utterly necessary.

 It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low 
 handlebars, given his round belly.

 I didn't say a word. 

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches

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Was the boat inspired by the wrecked ship 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/10004657443/in/set-72157636020407325
 
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[RBW] Marin Camping on Entmoot's Eve (Friday Night)

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Twas the Night Before Entmoot - or - Howdy Friday Night Campers! 

I’m looking to ride up into Marin from San Francisco in the early afternoon 
of July 11. 

The main China Camp reservation starts on Saturday (thanks Jim!), but I’d 
like to camp on Friday Night with others of us attending the Riv Jamboree. 
I don’t have a site yet (and they’re scarce) so I’d like to either join up 
with any of us who already have a site in the area, or to quickly secure a 
site for any of us not yet set. In a quick look, it seems Tomales Bay has 
sites, but they’re less easy to find in Southern Marin or Angel’s Camp 
itself. 

Anyone who either already has or needs a campsite for Friday night – let’s 
talk about it.

Roger

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Re: [RBW] Marin Camping on Entmoot's Eve (Friday Night)

[Roger]

Thanks Lee
I've biked into Taylor several times and found once they cut it off (at 7 I 
believe). Two people were escorted away, but I never knew if they were tucked 
in somewhere else or if they were turned away. All the riders I've talked with 
believe Taylor never turns away a cyclist, so maybe they were given another 
spot.

With your advice, I'll definitely try China Camp.
Still, if any other Friday arrivers are feeling sociable, let's talk about 
meeting up.

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Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

[Roger]

Hey, I like that patch!

I would want to participate Friday afternoon through Saturday. I'm not sure how 
campsites are shaping up. Is everything already spoken for at China Camp? 

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[RBW] Re: Garage sale grabs?

[Roger]

There were a few beautiful complete bikes: a Betty Foy, robin's egg blue 
with red fills, and the recent proto-Hunqa. Both may have found forever 
homes today.

I got a single Sprint shifter and used Phil bottom bracket. Just yesterday 
I was about to mail order a different shifter and bracket, but these even 
more perfectly suited my needs for a bike I'm repurposing for utility 
riding.

I also got what I believe was a Baggins handlebar bag from about 10 years 
ago which was designed to work with the handlebar bracket I've had waiting 
for about...10 years...for a bag. I'd bought just the bracket and meant to 
make a bag; another project that didn't ever come to fruition. 

I've always wanted a Huret Jubilee shifter, as it's said to have a very 
good movement, but moreso because it may be the most beautiful shifter I've 
seen. Got one, but don't have an immediate use for it, though.

I didn't buy the can of black beans, but did get some tubes, t shirts, a 
wooly sweater, and a blow up pillow. 

Good times.

On Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:02:44 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:

 That attic haunts me in my dreams.

 A Legolas in pewter? 59.7 by 58.6, you say? Looks like the only one we've 
 got is a second since it accidentally came with clearance for 50s. Does 
 $250 sound right? I'll grab us some coffee while you decide.

 I awake, fists clenching the sweat-drenched sheets.

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[RBW] WTB: Panniers

[Roger]

I'm looking for a nice set of panniers that I'd use with Nitto lowriders. 
My first thought is for waxed canvas, and along the lines of Swift or 
Carsick. There seem to be a great many good bag makers these days.

I'll mostly use these just for camping, along with a Hoss saddlebag and a 
medium ShopSack, so they needn't push the upper edge on capaciousness nor 
push the limit on technical features.

The pannier shown in this 
photohttps://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/14165564595/in/set-72157643167142163as
 a reference is a home project bag that measures about 12 x 14 x 8 when 
fully stuffed as shown.

Anyone have bags that need a new home?


https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/14165564595/in/set-72157643167142163

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Re: [RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne - 60cm

[Roger]

My wife asked me to let the forum to know she is baffled at this one bike 
concept and not in agreement.

She peppered me with questions about how this would work: how would I get 
to work if my bike broke down, how would I get exercise, how would I have 
the right bike for shopping and a weekend ride?

I told her I had four running bikes and she replied that it seemed like at 
minimum five was a decent limit - not that she was counting...

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:40:11 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I am glad I had many bikes when I met my wife, else she be tempted to 
 attempt a similar policy in our home ;)


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 I am selling my 60cm Sam Hillborne.  I estimate it has about 1000 miles 
 on it.  The frame is in excellent condition.   There are 3-4 nicks on 
 the frame. There is no chain scrapes or anything of the such on the chain 
 stay.  The Sam has not been in crashes and always ridden with care.  
 Framesaver 
 was put on or in the Sam. I recently put on new wires for the brakes and 
 derailers.  The moustache bar is a little beat up, but most of the 
 scrapes are under the tape.  The moustache bar has a noticeable scrape 
 near the clamp from a previous owner struggling to get it on.

 I had this for sale on craiglist in the past and someone on the list 
 posted it here.   I found my white whale and why now putting this on the 
 market again.  I have to conform to my wife’s one bike policy.

 I understand the moustache bar is not a desirable handlebar for some 
 riders.  A dirt drop stem usually goes with the moustache bar  If this 
 is the case, I will sell the bike without the moustache bar for $40 less 
 and without the moustache bar and dirt drop stem for $100 less. 

 The Sam Hillborne does not include the rear rack and front and rear light 
 seen in the pictures.  Also, the moustache bar no longer has tape.  I 
 was doing some experimenting with handlebars.  I will update the 
 pictures accordingly if you want to see without. 

 Please send me any questions.  
 I am asking $2000 plus shipping.  Send me an offer you believe is fair.  The 
 most I can say is no or barter and we can still be RBW friends.
 I live in Oklahoma City, OK, if anyone is near by and wants to see in 
 person.  
 I did my best for detailed pictures.  If you need to see anything 
 further let me know.
   
 *https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3njnWUSiXUHNFZNZkFmenloREEusp=sharing*https://scottapc.mail.us.af.mil/owa/redir.aspx?C=nEnCgGPDg0SWWlUZLW_sI2Gr7fmJK9EIMbBnr6aBZFRgIPvhqjzv0Wa9EK2UKDlFjYSCPrnQptA.URL=https%3a%2f%2fdrive.google.com%2ffolderview%3fid%3d0B3njnWUSiXUHNFZNZkFmenloREE%26usp%3dsharing
  
  Here is a list of the parts:

 Rear Wheel – White Industries MI5 hub with Velocity Synergy Rims

 Front Wheel – Shimano dynamo hub with Velocity Synergy Rims

 *Both wheels were built by Tony at Longleaf Cycles

 Tires – Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700x32 (Lots of life left)

 Skewers – Velo Orange Quick Release

 Rear Cassette – Shimano XT M770 9 Speed – 11-32

 Rear Derailer – Shimano XT M772 Shadow

 Front Derailer – Shimano Ultregra 6700 Double

 Bottom Bracket – SKF

 Crank – Sugino Alpina 172.5mm Double 34x48

 Pedals – MKS Sylvan Touring with Power straps( I know someone out there 
 loves them besides me)

 Fenders – Honjo 45mm Le Paon (There is a barely noticeable extra hole I 
 drilled in wrong place.)

 Seatpost – Nitto S65

 Saddle – Brooks B17

 Brakes – Paul Components Racer

 Brake Levers – Cane Creek Aero Levers

 Shifters – Silver Shifters 

 Headset – Tange

 Stem – Nitto Dirt Drop 10cm and 26mm clamp

 Nitto Rear Brake hanger
  
  

  

  

  

  

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[RBW] Re: Sugino XD Single Chainring Bottom Bracket Width.

[Roger]

Around 1998, Grant set me up with a Sugino AT and a 115 spindle for use as 
a single (remember when Riv used to sell cool old NOS parts?). I believe I 
used a 3mm spacer to get clearance where the chainring bolts mount. This 
was for use with a 126mm rear hub. I'm not sure if a modern 130/135mm 
spacing would need a little more clearance at the crank.

On Friday, April 4, 2014 4:14:33 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:

 Then I went to a Sugino AT with a 122 spindle and ring on the outside.

 That's interesting, I happen to have a Sugino AT and a Tange 122.5 bottom 
 bracket sitting in the parts bin right now. Looks like I'll be able to 
 setup the Redwood and go for a ride this weekend.
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[RBW] Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Almost Blue

[Roger]

 I’ve been a Rivendell member since 1997. I’ve outfitted my bikes in 
Rivendell-inspired ways with many Riv-bought parts, and during the time 
that Rivendell frames only came out at a trickle and there was a year long 
waiting list for the Longlow I wanted in 1999, I even used Riv specs as 
possible on my Mercians. But I’ve never actually had a Rivendell frame 
until now.

On Friday I took out for a first ride the Sam Hillborne 62cm in Sage Green 
that I picked up recently. I built it up with parts on hand as possible, 
and it came out as Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Almost 
Blue.

Something Old

The first talk I had with Grant in 1997 was about how I just couldn’t 
relate to index shifting and 8 speeds – and I was indignant that there was 
9 and rumors of 10 speeds about to further complicate my life. He suggested 
a Phil 7 speed, 135 oln hub for the bike I had then. I’ve built that hub as 
both a 26” and 700c wheel for a few different bikes over the years. It 
still rolls very smoothly and, a new 13-28 freewheel cluster, I’m glad to 
bring that first bond with Rivendell on board this bike.

Something New

I’ve been told that derailers have improved in the last twenty years, so 
have current models of Deore rear and CX-70 front derailers. Sam also has 
the long reach Tektro calipers that made him possible as a non-cantilever 
bike (not that I wouldn’t have preferred him as a cantilever…). I also am 
so far liking the new Barlow tires. 

 

Something Borrowed

I had intended and still may someday use a Sugino AT crank I had squirreled 
away, but it turns out a 107mm bottom bracket comes with the Hillborne. In 
order to streamline things and utilize this bottom bracket already in 
there, I borrowed an old Ritchey Logic crank from the Vigorelli , and 
cleaned up 46 and 34 tooth rings for it. Fits perfectly! And will probably 
stay until I need some lower gears for a camping trip.

Almost Blue

Yep, it’s just got a nice ring in it to say almost blue. Also, the color 
seems equally greenish-blue as bluish-green to me. I’ll call it Almost Blue.

I’ve always liked Moustache Bars and wanted to start off this bike with 
this maligned and recently abandoned bar. I’ve found over the years that 
when I’m tinkering with bikes, they tend to shed barends, noodles, and 
especially albatrosses, in favor of Moustache Bars and DT shifters. 
Unfortunately, Sam doesn’t support downtubers, so we’ll see how that works 
out.

First ride was 15 miles of positive. I need the bars a little higher/closer 
than the stem on hand allows, and I’m not sure about the plethora of cables 
to reach through to get to the front bag (even though I like the non-aero 
Superbe levers otherwise). I also need to get that saddle back a little 
farther. 
Good Times!

Photos of Almost Blue Sam Sitting on the Dock of the 
Bay:https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157643167142163/

Roger

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[RBW] Re: Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Almost Blue

[Roger]

Thanks for the kind words everyone. The Sam Hillborne is indeed a handsome 
bike. I believe I got the last 62cm in this color, with the next batch, in 
the standard blue I'm told, not arriving for a little while.

Today I went for a spin with the seat set back a little further and found 
it closer to where I usually set the saddle. I like a lot of setback, it 
helps me to balance my upper body without putting too much weight on my 
hands and arms.

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[RBW] Re: Yet more travel coffee questions!

[Roger]

I keep a small carton of milk or half and half in the freezer to take with 
me on overnighters.
It thaws over time, certainly long enough to still have some ice the next 
morning, and would surely give it a longer life on longer trips.

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[RBW] Re: Just Got Our English Riding Jackets

[Roger]

Liesl,
Congratulations on your wedding!

Has Warhorse has been delivered to you? Eager to see some photos!


On Friday, December 6, 2013 9:46:48 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:

 ...yes, there will be pictures of Riv Chica Warrior on her Proto-palloosa 
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Re: [RBW] Re: PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

[Roger]

Thanks Paul

Yeah, I just carry the trangia (filled with enough fuel) in whatever bag 
I'm using at that moment. Trangia, matches and a baggie of coffee grounds 
is all I need to carry that isn't carried on the Klean Kanteen itself.

As for the cone, I find the key is the rivet. Other cones and screens I've 
had flounced around like a loose spring until fully set up, but the rivet 
holds the cone's shape to only expanding/contracting at the bottom for use 
or storage. With nothing more than the rivet and a spoke to hold the 
Kanteen the right distance above the Trangia, it is a very stable structure.

I don't really know much about percolating coffee. I pretty much use the 
method Russ Roca suggested in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GTLDBei5w

As an aside, I use two Kanteens, one for boiling and one for 
brewing/drinking just because that's what I already carried on the bike. 
One could boil and brew in just the uninsulated bottle. One could also just 
boil in the bottle and then use the hot water for a different coffee making 
system. Or, even tea.

On Monday, November 4, 2013 7:14:56 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:

 That's a really nice looking setup. Do you just carry the trangia with 
 fuel in it in a separate bag? And are you boiling the water in one kleen 
 kanteen and then pouring it over the coffee in the H2Jo? Have you tried 
 percolating with it?

 Paul

 On Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:34:11 PM UTC-5, Roger wrote:

 I've been doing a little bit of coffee riding lately.
 This Friday, I stopped off on the East Bay Trail for a break. 

 I use a trangia stove and a diy caldera-style cone that wraps around the 
 Klean Kanteen in its Iris Cage.
 Pictures prove the Klean Kanteen gets a bit 
 blackenedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157636021321473/,
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Re: [RBW] Re: PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

[Roger]

I've been doing a little bit of coffee riding lately.
This Friday, I stopped off on the East Bay Trail for a break. 

I use a trangia stove and a diy caldera-style cone that wraps around the 
Klean Kanteen in its Iris Cage.
Pictures prove the Klean Kanteen gets a bit 
blackenedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/sets/72157636021321473/, 
but unscathed, with use.







On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:50:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I started my 35 mile commute from El Cerrito to South Hayward in the dark 
 this morning and thought of you all.  In fact, I got down my mini stove and 
 thought about packing it for a coffee break mid ride.  I didn't follow 
 through and do it, but perhaps next time.  I try to do that ride once a 
 week.  

 On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:09:32 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Yes, that's exactly where it happens.

 http://www.soapboxracer.com/


 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Wonder pictures.  How serene.  Is this where they hold the crazy down 
 hill race?  A few years ago I was in town and attended a wacky race of 
 gravity powered vehicles.

 Sadly, I was at work during this time. (in San Diego of course)

 Curtis


 On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
 54c...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks for motivating me out of bed a little earlier than I might 
 otherwise have gotten up. Felt good to get 5 miles and a couple hundred 
 feet climbing in before sunrise... then I got to ride home.

 Picshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157636555160785/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell BBH visit

[Roger]

Open combs like that nice Merkur are nice razors. They shave nice and 
close, and don't clog so easily when one hasn't shaved for several days.

For Patrick and others, shaving is a regressive technology (now geared 
primarily towards marketing advances) and many believe that unless you want 
to go all the way to a straight edge, that the double-edged razor blade is 
the next best thing. 

Great razor blades can still be bought as cheaply as disposables (10 cents 
to 50 cents a blade that will last for perhaps 5 to 10 or more shaves), and 
the razors themselves (essentially blade holders) from the 1910s to 1970s 
that one finds in antique stores and thrift stores can be as good or better 
than those made today. 

My two favorite razors are a refurbished Gillette open comb at least 50 
years old, and a Merkur Slant razor I bought in an antique shop in Luling 
Texas. I think it was made in Germany in the 1930s. 

As for blades, each brand is slightly different: some too sharp, some too 
dull, some quite stiff, some flexible... I like 7 o'clock most of the time, 
but go for the Kai or Feather if I really want to...carefully... shave 
really closely.

On Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:44:29 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I love me my Merkur 1904 model: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/5149860903 

 Blades are all over the place as you mentioned, but the basic razor is 
 fantastic. 

 On 11/3/13, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  I might have to buy one of those shaving brushes. 
  
  What's the best soap to use it with? 
  
  I don't worry about haircuts -- 7 years since I saw a barber, so 
  liberating! -- but I do shave. 
  
  (I hack off 2  off the tail every six months or so: cinch tightly, grip 
  tightly, and chop with sharp scissors. Sometimes relatives do a smoother 
  job.) 
  
  
  On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM, James Warren 
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  I'll bet the next-door barber conspicuously started using this in the 
  last 
  couple of weeks: 
  
  
  http://www.rivbike.com/proraso-shave-brush-p/goo21.htm 
  
  
  
  
  On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Jim M. wrote: 
  
  On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:53:43 PM UTC-7, BSWP wrote: 
  
  
  Anyone tried the barber next door yet? I may soon be needing a new 
 shop 
  for my short haircuts, and would go out of my way to get a good cut 
 with 
  interesting conversation. 
  
  The best barber in the Creek is DiMaggio's, which is south a few 
 blocks 
  at 1379 N. Main. The owner (1st chair) is a 2nd cousin of Joltin' Joe. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell BBH visit

[Roger]

Ironically, your photo is called The Old but I believe that was a razor 
that debuted in 1929 and was named The New

Here's some fun reading:
http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/Gillette%20Rasierer.htm

Funnily, the razor that preceded The New was The New Improved.
The easiest way to distinguish The New from previous models is that it 
was the first Gillette not to have the two vampire teeth blade centering 
pins on the underside of the razor.

To me, The New was the pinnacle of Gillette technology, better than the 
very aggressive razors that came before it and better than all the later 
solid bar (i.e. not open comb) razors of later decades.


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 Roger, here's my grandfather's Gillette open comb: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5150469506/in/photostream/ I 
 don't know the age of it, but probably 50 y.o. at least. Works 100% 
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[RBW] Re: Supplier of quality waxed canvas?

[Roger]

I looked into buying some #8 Martexin Original Wax from them recently. But 
after paying the $21 for one yard, there would then be a minimum $30 small 
order handling charge. Plus, I haven't made the phone call, but it's not 
clear they will sell less than 5 yards.

Fairfield is set up as a wholesale suppplier, which is great, but at least 
my humble Google-Fu skills have not turned up any small volume retailer of 
wax duck who is set up to serve the hobbyist.
Seems like Martexin cotton duck would be perfect for a cottage industry to 
offer in small amounts, or as a group buy.

http://www.fairfieldtextile.com/sounds/Stock_Items_prices_and_charges11.pdf

Roger

On Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:21:24 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 To answer my own question (I really should learn to Google first, ask 
 second):
 http://www.fairfieldtextile.com/fabrics.html

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:04:56 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 This past trip my experiment with carrying my food on the front Mark's 
 rack worked out wonderfully.  I put the food (relatively small amount per 
 day, as it's one meal a day of butter, beef jerky, and dried potatoes) into 
 the bear-bag and wrap that in a 3'x3' tarp which then doubles as a ground 
 cloth to sit on. Here's a pic of the wrap on the rack: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9980939546/

 I would love to have the food be wrapped in waxed cotton canvas, which 
 can then double as a ground cloth. Anyone know a good source for waxed 
 canvas cloth or tarps?

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Re: [RBW] Re: speaking of the blug... new Atlas rim

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On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:45:07 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:


 Looks like the NoBS is also available as a 26, too.But not in 
 650b.It says mill finish;  is the Atlas just a polished version of 
 this rim?


I just built a wheel using a No BS rim I ordered from Velocity USA's 
webstore. The invoice read No BS but the sticker on the inner rim read 
Atlas 36h Mill-Finish  and didn't mention No BS anywhere. Methinks No 
BS:is a marketing term meant to appeal to the bike polo market. I'm glad 
to have an Atlas, instead.

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[RBW] Sackville Shop Sack Wald basket

[Roger]

I've had both the large and medium Walds on a Mark's rack. The large rack was 
too wobbly for my taste, but the combo of a medium basket with the Riv sack is 
insanely great for commuting and errands.

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RE: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 7 Topics

[Roger and Carolyn SKALLERUD]

I'm 70 years old with Parkinson's and  Macular Degeneration.  I just finished a 
nice ride on my orange Ram, rode my Bleriot yesterday, no problems.
 



To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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Subject: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 7 
Topics
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:41:57 +


  Today's Topic Summary
Group: http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/topics

Get a Betty Foy, old man [6 Updates]
FS Odds-n-Ends [1 Update]
WTB: Nitto Bullmoose dull bright bars [3 Updates]
Hillborne finds its true self [1 Update]
Experimenting with crank length [9 Updates]
Speaking of Photos. (Kinda off topic) [2 Updates]
Recommended 26 tires [3 Updates]
 Get a Betty Foy, old man
Norman Bone bone1...@yahoo.com Apr 02 10:43AM -0700  

Study says old men should ride B. Foys.
 
http://www.thelocal.se/47064/20130331/#.UVsYP0rDmRJ

 
Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com Apr 02 02:51PM -0400  

You know, the findings in that study are interesting (though I concede I've
not read the actual study yet). Living in the state with the oldest
population, I treat a lot of older cyclists. Many of the men have a variety
of hip and/or balance issues which make mounting/dismounting their bikes
difficult and a touch risky. I've suggested a step-through frame to several
of them and am consistently met with I am not going to ride a girl's
bike! Ah well. . . I can say that, after having ridden my wife's Betty, I
want one just 'cause they're delightful bikes.
 
Cheers!
 
lyle
 
 
 
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156 bradford rd
wiscasset, me 04578
207.882.6494
206.794.6937

 
Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com Apr 02 03:55PM -0400  

On Tue, 2013-04-02 at 10:43 -0700, Norman Bone wrote:
 
 The bike should not be designed as a standard bike, with a pole in
 the middle, for the men are not able to get over it, VTI researcher
 Anna Niska said to the TT news agency.
 
If you're 65 and you feel you are elderly then perhaps you should do.
I and half the people I ride with are 70 or over, and none of us seems
to have any trouble mounting or dismounting conventional frames. None
of us think of ourselves as elderly, either.

 
Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com Apr 02 12:59PM -0700  

+1.
 
My first thought on reading the article was that's a flexibility issue, 
not an age issue. Increase flexibility, decrease your age. Grin. Balance 
no doubt plays a part, yet I do fine with full on vertigo, when barefoot or 
moccasined.
 
With abandon,
Patrick
 
On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 1:55:22 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 
James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net Apr 02 01:07PM -0700  

Having just moved to two top tubes, am I swimming upstream?
 
-Original Message-
 
From: Norman Bone
 
Sent: Apr 2, 2013 10:43 AM
 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 
Subject: [RBW] Get a Betty Foy, old man
 
Study says old men should ride B. Foys.
 
http://www.thelocal.se/47064/20130331/#.UVsYP0rDmRJ
 
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Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com Apr 02 03:13PM -0500  

You sure pedaled like a spring chicken when we rode, Steve! I'm a veritable
babe on training wheels by comparison. :)
 
 

 
 FS Odds-n-Ends
Tex69 zklk9...@yahoo.com Apr 02 01:05PM -0700  

I accept Paypal to same address.
Buyer pays shipping. I usually use UPS but can use another if preferred. 
More information at http://texluavullcyclingforsale.blogspot.com/
Prices suggested OBO.
 
**Nitto 25.4 Moustache Bar RM016N - very good condition- $50
 
**Shimano Ultegra Brifters- 3x9 capable- aesthetically very well used but 
work fine $40
 
**Sakae SR-MT100 Adjustable seatpost- somewhat vintage- $10
 
**Shimano Deore front derailer (Sheldon's spelling)- well used but 
serviceable- $10

 
 WTB: Nitto Bullmoose dull bright bars
hobie moho1...@yahoo.com Apr 02 09:53AM -0700  

Always wanted to try this bar/cockpit setup. If anyone on this list has one 
and is looking to part with it, please contact. Spring has sprung, 
Yahoo!!!

 
René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com Apr 02 12:46PM -0700  

I'm preparing to sell a 150mm Bullmoose handlebar. Not sure what you mean
by dull bright... You are looking for the mountain bike type handlebar,
right? Not the Bosco.
 
Actually, with all the experimentation I've done with handlebars, I will be
posting several for sale soon.
 
 

 
jimmy johnsen moho1...@yahoo.com Apr 02 01:05PM -0700  

Rene. Yes the 150mm bullmoose. Any pics? Very interested thanks. Jimmy
 

 

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To: 

[RBW] Re: And the winner is...

[Roger]

Congratulations!
I've seen an Appaloosa, but now I want to see what a Chica Warhorse looks 
like.

Roger

On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:00:56 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Liesl Chatman!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Homemade Accessories for Bikes

[Roger]

It's a pretty minor thing, but I made a rubber 
mudflaphttp://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/8211901544/in/set-72157632083263846/.
 

The local hardware store sold sheets big enough for 3 of these as rubber 
gasket material in the plumbing department.


Roger

On Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:01:57 PM UTC-8, Robert Barr wrote:

 Tony, My sewing abilities are limited to buttons and emergency tear 
 repair, so I have used a small camera case in much the same fashion. Your 
 end product is much nicer. Bob

 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Jim Cloud clou...@aol.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 Hi Tony, and Happy Thanksgiving to you!  I think you've come up with
 an interesting way to increase the utility of your Wald basket.
 You're apparently much more adept than me with sewing custom bags1

 Jim

 On Nov 22, 12:05 pm, Tony Lockhart alockhart...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello all and Happy Thanksgiving! I just wanted to see if anyone else in
  the Riv community enjoys making accessories for their bikes. If this is 
 the
  case, I'd love to see what innovative things you've made. In the 
 meantime,
  I'll post some images of things that I've made.
 
  During the past 2 years, I have been trying to perfect the rando bag but
  ultimately have been displeased with its lack of sturdiness. I enjoy 
 making
  them, using them for a while, then gifting them to other cycling
  friends--this is great because it constantly gives me the opportunity to
  make new bags. While rando bags look great, I have yet to make one as
  versatile as a Wald basket. And after many years of debate, I have 
 decided
  to stick with my Wald. With that in mind, I missed the tool pockets
  typically found at the back of a rando bag. So, I recently decided to
  create a couple of pouches to hang on the back side of my basket.
 
  Both pouches are 2 inches deep, 4 inches wide, and 5 inches high. There 
 is
  also an extra 3 inches of flap available if I try to over-stuff the
  pouches. It was relatively easy to construct these little bags because
  canvas is such a forgiving material to work with. I have plastic 
 stiffeners
  inside the bags (very similar to the ones in Acorn bags) and velcro
  attachments to keep everything in place. While these dimensions may seem
  small, I have all of my tools in the left pouch (inner tube, patch kit,
  multi tool, a pair of CO2 cartridges, 3 tire levers, zip ties, and 4 
 Irish
  straps). The pouch on the right is used to keep my cell phone, garage
  clicker, and keys; there is quite a bit of space left for snacks, a 
 saddle
  cover, and a bandana. I'd love to see the folks at Riv create some
  Sackville versions of these because they're extremely versatile.
 
  Have a look--I am attaching JPEG images to this post. Also, I'd love to 
 see
  any other accessories people make for their bikes.
 
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[RBW] Re: My Grilver AHH

[Roger]

Riv is so on a roll with colors in the last couple of years. The 
Roadeo/Hunqa grey with red or orange, the last two Hillborne's, Simpleone, 
and now this accidental choice.
I find very often that when I relax my grip a bit that serendipity will 
trickle in. And that has made all the difference.


On Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:25:27 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I got this frame about a year ago and built up with the following parts:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/76454470@N05/

 61cm AHH
 Nitto Noodles 46cm
 Nitto Lugged Stem 100mm
 Brooks Imperial
 Nitto 65 Seat post
 Paul Racer Brakes
 Electra Tincino Crank w. VO 46/30 rings
 Honjo La Paeon fenders
 Mavic Open Pros w/ Ultegra hubs (32 spoke)
 XT rear derailer
 Campagnolo front derailer
 Acorn front  rear bags
 Marks Rack (It is actually Mark's used rack! He sold me an extra he had.)

 Rides great. It is a little dirty in these pics but that is not a bad 
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[RBW] Re: 64 Atlantis still FS

[Roger]

I'm not in the market for an Atlantis right now, but I am curious
about yours.

IIRC, shortly after the Atlantis was released there was strong
lobbying by some people who wanted top tubes shortened on Rivendells.
Again from a foggy, decade old memory, it may have been Sheldon Brown
foremost among the short tubers. I looked up the earliest Wayback
Machine captures of rivbike, and indeed on 11/1/02 there was a 62cm
top tube spec for the Atlantis in the webalog section, but slightly
earlier in the main site info (8/27/02) it was listed as the later
standard of 60cm.

Have you ever measured your top tube?
(Apologies if this was already discussed)

On Feb 16, 5:32 pm, bingomck bingo...@gmail.com wrote:
 (I tried to reply to my previous post but failed. Link is 
 here:http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/...)

 Hello again everyone

 A few offers fell through and this is still available. Admittedly,
 I've also been lazy about marketing it.

 I'm dropping the price to $1,650+actual shipping. There will be no
 packaging fee as it has already been boxed by a bike shop- the result
 of a previous potential buyer that didn't work out.

 As it's boxed neatly already, any local (SF Bay Area (Mill Valley))
 suitors will need to buy it boxed/disassembled. But I think the price
 would still be right.

 Year 2000 64 Atlantis frame  fork
 8 speed cassette
 Sugino triple crank
 XT rear derailleur
 XT front derailleur
 Shimano cantilever brakes
 Shimano Ultegra bar-end shifters
 Nitto Grand Randonneur handlebars
 Nitto Stem
 American classic seatpost
 32h Mavic MA2 double-walled rims, LX hubs and Panaracer Pasela Tour
 Guards (700x32)
 I also have a pair of new Schwalbe Big Apple 700x60s that I'll include
 for free just because this was my only ride that could even
 potentially fit them.

 Hope to get this to a good home soon.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

[Roger]

 To people I do know -I've found that making anyone feel good about the
 good things about their bike is an excellent way to get them to ride
 it more often.

Question: So, what's the very best bike of all?
Answer: The one that makes you want to ride more!

You've found a universal and inexpensive way to improve almost any
bike.


On Feb 6, 2:42 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Smitty-A-Go-Go 54ca...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think they didn't know what to make of Homer and as a result saw the lugs
  + shiny bits as frivolous. I was aware going in the possibility of my bike
  being seen as being an oddball but I didn't think it would be pointed out to
  me.

  As a correction... one of my initial sentences was half deleted... or
  perhaps I only typed half of it before my brain jumped ahead. Anyway... it
  should read: One guy pointed out that my bike was more a toy than a
  machine.

  I've a friend who refers to me as a Riven-dork but it's used in a friendly
  way. He understands + rides fat tires, racks and bags... he just thinks Rivs
  are over priced.

  I've heard of Rivsters getting guff like this but now I feel like I've been
  initiated into the next level of Riv-ness.

 I've only had one person give me any grief about my bike(s). I looked
 at them with a squinty-eyed look and said
 Seriously, you feel like you know me well enough to make disparaging
 remarks? You think that's appropriate?

 To which they apologized and looked abashed.

 Which is good, they should have been.

 Someone has to be a special kind of dick to decide to say rude things
 about someone else's anything to someone they don't know.

 No matter what kind of bike it is - unless it is dangerous (ie: things
 falling off, clearly broken) I always say the same set of things to
 people I don't know:
    How does it ride?
    Are you having fun?

 If they answer in the negative to either of those - then I might see
 if I can help. But most people answer in the positive and/or are
 cheered on by this question and that, imo, completes my day.

 To people I do know -I've found that making anyone feel good about the
 good things about their bike is an excellent way to get them to ride
 it more often. That, imo, is much more important than what kind of
 bike they are riding. If someone comes to me and asks my opinion I
 will give it. But I try to give it by talking up the positive things
 about the kinds of bikes I ride and like, not by talking down other
 bikes.

 Call people out when they are jerks. You never know - they might
 realize they were being rude and try to be better, it does happen.

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Jack Taylor photos - build assist (and many parts) from RBW

[Roger]

That headtube photo is beautiful and poignant. Far better than
perfect.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/6818456461/in/set-72157629173650165/

On Feb 4, 12:17 pm, David Blessing cyberbless...@q.com wrote:
 Thanks for the pictures. The shifters are beyond cool.
 Not riding today.  12 to 14 inches of snow in Nebraska.  Scooping my way to 
 the highway.  david

 On Feb 4, 2012, at 1:54 PM, reynoldslugs wrote:







  Michael Lawrence helped me get this frame in about '99.  After email
  correspondence, we spoke on the phone; he was very pleasant to deal
  with.  These were the last frames done by Jack and Norman, and were
  apparently hanging in Michael's attic or barn or ?.  He said, over the
  phone, that the blue bike showed Norman's wavery hand in the lug
  lining, so that's the one I chose.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/6818454705/in/set-721576291...

  I was just getting back into cycling again, after a 15 year hiatus.
  Thanks to Rivendell, I was excited again about bikes, and GP helped me
  choose some new parts (lugged stem, brooks saddle, Rolly-Polly's) to
  go with a mix of new and NOS parts. For example, the Campagnolo Hi-Lo
  hubset found a mate in a set of new Campagnolo Montreal rims.

  Hope you like the pics from my dinky Olympus cycling camera.

  Anyway, it's a great bike, a lovely rider, with plenty of memories.
  Getting it ready for tomorrow's Super Bowl ride up Pine Flat road.

  Max
  Sonoma County CA

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[RBW] Re: Every Day Carry - Here's Mine, What's Yours?

[Roger]

I'm surprised by the similarities of my kit with Amit's:

In my old Candy Bar Bag:

Pump
Hanky/Tool Roll with:
- Spoke Wrench
- Multi tool
- Tire tools
- Leatherman Micra
- Patch kit with Presta/Schrader adaptors  4mm, 5mm and 3/16 Allen
Wrenches
Coin Purse
Key Chain with locking hub key
Tissues with
- mini tube of sun-block
- lip balm
4.5x5.5 Notepad (homemade)
Wallet with:
- Kaweco fountain pen w/Noodler's Blue Heron ink
- Sodbuster Jr. pocket knife
iPhone
Spare Innertube (not shown)

Image at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/6767278655/in/photostream

Each time I empty out the bag I try to remove unused items. These are
the ones that justify themselves over time. Maybe the Micra can go...

The wallet was from Etsy and meant to hold a phone, but I like it's
pocket for a pen and knife. I've found it's important to carry a
friendly looking knife so people assume you want to pare an apple or
open a box, not brandish a weapon. That Sodbuster is a great little
knife: it's one blade is sturdy, it fits my hand well, and it has even
become my favorite paring knife in the house. Kaweco pens are great
little pens as well.

Amit Singh wrote:
 I'm reposting this with hopes of greater response because it's a cool
 and interesting topic.

 This subject of 'every day carry' is one of which I've been slightly
 obsessed.

 Here is a link to an image of my EDC, and a list:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6760998841/

 - Bandana (serves as handkerchief)
 - Opinel No. 6 knife
 - Lip Ivo
 - iPhone 4 carried in Col. Littleton No. 50 Phone Wallet
 - Keys carried on ML Brown Braided Keychain
 - Shure E4 Earbuds
 - Lamy Fountain Pen
 - Moleskin Notebook (set up as GSD)
 - Swatch GB743
 - Canon S100 Camera
 - Surefire G2x Tactical Flashlight

 I like how all this stuff is compact so it fits well inside of a small
 trunk sack.  When I'm not on the bike it's generally carried in a
 pocket on my briefcase, and when that doesn't happen I can carry it
 all on my person in various pockets, although I'm tempted to start
 carrying a man-bag or a m-urse.

 This is a 'heavy load', but it's everything which I need to flip
 between work and adventure.  Works for me.

 I'd be interested in seeing your EDC's.

 http://everyday-carry.com/ is a neat website that shows lots of
 carries.  There are a few others which are similar.

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[RBW] Re: Touring Load and Packing list with weights

[Roger]

I like a French Press, and figured a way to make a 16oz Contigo insulated
stainless mug and a French Press plunger do double duty for drinking and
coffee making. The Contigo fits water-bottle cages and is easy to use while
riding. 

I re-purposed a plunger from a plastic Peets travel French Press that fits
nicely into the Contigo, and is just the right length to hold the grounds
tight when I put the lid on the mug. I don't let it bother me that the
grounds are pressed to the bottom of the mug while I'm drinking, and
sometimes there is a ground or two that gets loose. 

For the cost of a few grams of plunger, a uni-tasking coffee pot is avoided,
and I can store the plunger in the travel mug until needed again.

Pictures prove it's real:
http://tinyurl.com/7lcvk45

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[RBW] Re: Upgrading my Trek 520?

[Roger]

I saw a 2008 Trek Catalog that shows geometries on the next to last
page. The 62cm Hunqa (largest size) is indeed a larger bike than a 25
Trek, but the 64cm Bombadil is more similar in size to your 67cm Homer
and especially closer to the 69cm Homer you considered.
http://www.trekbikes.com/pdf/2008/catalog/road/road_en.pdf

By the way, beautiful color on the Homer! What's that shade called? I
notice in your photos that you have racks front and back now on your
Homer. Have you ever tried it fully loaded? I'd be curious how well it
would compare to the 520.

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[RBW] Re: Kudos for New Riv wool bike jersey -

[Roger]

Sounds like they're great.
Are these on their site now? I looked but didn't seem to find them.

On Dec 20, 9:14 pm, Joan Oppel oppel...@verizon.net wrote:
 I had to share my thoughts on this since I like it so much.  I saw Grant's 
 post about getting these in and that they'd be the last from this New Zealand 
 supplier.  So here's the report:  this is a great wool jersey/shirt.  
 Lightweight (I'd guess something like 18 grams based on what I know about my 
 other wool tops) and very well made, beautifully made.  It's $60 - half what 
 same-quality tops cost from other companies.  And, it has 3 pockets in the 
 back.  They're unobtrusive, so if you don't want to use them, I don't think 
 you'll notice they're there.  I personally like having them.



 I got another bottle of Kookaburra wash along with the shirt - that stuff is 
 the best wool wash I've ever used.

 Joan

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Bleriot.

[Roger]

Oh man, I just saw this thread. Terrible.

I think Manny's Bleriot, in the many ride and camping threads in which
it starred, gave me more vicarious enjoyment than any other bike. Like
all of us, I'll miss it.

I once recovered a stolen bike by seeing it parked in front of a store
(probably an unwitting purchaser), I hope the same good luck for you.

On Dec 14, 6:22 am, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:
 Manny,

 Wow, these stories always scare the heck out of me.  It reminds me
 that things are different here then other countries.  I was in Europe
 last month and most folks do the lock-bike-to-itself (if they lock at
 all), and no-one gives it a second glance.  the fact that someone took
 out your groceries and presumably carried the bike off while in front
 of a busy target is just messed up.

 great positive outlook, in the end it's just a bike, and most of us on
 the list are fortunate enough that we can absorb a hit like this both
 financially and spiritually, thanks for putting things in perspective.

 On Dec 13, 9:50 pm, Geoff mocha...@hotmail.com wrote:







  HeyManny,

  As I've already mentioned on the Facebook group, I'm really sorry to hear
  about what happened to yourBleriot.
  I hope your bike will be recovered and the lousy opportunist thief gets his
  well deserved karma.

  I was wondering.  Does that Target have security cameras covering the front
  of their store?  If so, they may have caught something on tape that might
  be helpful.

  I wish you luck, and commend you on your positive outlook on this shameful
  event.

  Take care.

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[RBW] Re: S/O for the 64cm Rambouillet?

[Roger]

Here's a chart that may be helpful:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html

Out of curiosity, are you eyeing them at a bike shop that has both a
62 and 64 in stock?

On Dec 16, 11:00 am, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any 64cm Ram owners out there? I'm curious to know the standover
 height for one of these, ideally with 28mm tires.
 I'm eyeing out the sizing difference between the 62 and 64, and I
 understand the BB drop is a little more than average on Riv bikes.
 Any guidance would be appreciated, thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Roger]

It's a Long-Long!


On Dec 7, 12:10 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really
 nice. Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for
 a commuter. it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my
 QB...

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/

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[RBW] Re: updated geometry chart

[Roger]

There may be a misunderstanding here.

I think you'll find stated on line 2 of Dave's chart that the number
given for the 6 degree TT bikes is the theoretical length. The
internet spreadsheet looks to me consistent with the previous pdf I
downloaded and also from when I talked with Jay on the day I test rode
a 64cm Sam and a 62cm Hunqa earlier this year.

Maybe Dave will confirm.

On Dec 2, 6:52 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Friday, December 2, 2011 9:33:39 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:

  Is the chart up to date accurate though?  When I inquired about a 62cm.
  Hunq frame, I was informed the TT was more like 64 or 64.5cm , I can't
  remember which. That would change some other dimensions as well. The chart
  shows the original specs, but nothing new as far as I can tell.

 I think the actual TT on the 58 is ~61cm which makes the theoretical TT
 about 63cm, and the actual TT on the 62 is ~63cm and the theoretical TT is
 about 65.

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[RBW] Re: updated geometry chart

[Roger]

This is indeed one of those things about storing data on a website; it
is so much more ephemeral than having a paper copy - and can be gone
or changed at a keystroke.

I applaud however much Rivendell can use their site as an archive for
those of us who want to revisit 'obsolete' information, but I also
realize there is a limit to how much a business can also be a library.
To me, Jim's website is an important resource, and I also download
info like geometry charts before they get updated.

Is anyone storing the blug for posterity? I have a full library of the
Riv Reader, but the blug has in many ways become the Riv Reader, and
could be gone with a crash, virus, or keystroke. I've read that
because early celluloid filmstock was unstable, something like 3/4 of
early Hollywood films no longer exist, and just like people who want
to revisit the films of Tom Mix, my life will be lessened a bit if
that happens with Rivendell's history.

Come to think of it, weren't many of the existing copies of the
'92-'94 Bridgestone catalogs saved from a dumpster by someone who
occasionally reads this forum?

On Nov 30, 9:34 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Dave Rivbike d...@rivbike.com wrote:
  I posted as a google doc, but you can always find the link at the
  bottom of the bike models page here:

 http://www.rivbike.com/Bicycle-Models-s/39.htm

 Dave,
  A couple of things:

 1. Great looking charts
 2. I love the 'new items' page you've setup on the new website - thank you
 3. Would it be possible to put up the geometry on sizes and models you
 no longer make? Just for historical research, etc? I'm sure the owners
 of 64, 66 and 68cm atlantises would still like to be able to have all
 their specs. Ditto with Ram/Rom/Bleriot/Quickbeam folks.

 thanks!
 -sv

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[RBW] Re: 11-27-11 - a set on Flickr

[Roger]

Yeah, that rings true for me as well.

I lived about 20 years in Napa and 20 years in the Berkeley area, and
I often think on how there just doesn't seem to be that thick, close
fog with 30 yards visibility like when I was younger. I remember as a
teen, I'd often drive by watching the tail lights of the car ahead as
much as watching the road.

On my bike, it made for a cold, clammy ride that has only been beat in
my experience by the bone chilling 35 degree drizzle of a Seattle
winter, where I prayed for the temp to dip below freezing so I could
stay dry and warm up.

On Nov 27, 5:06 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 It doesn't get as foggy here as it used to be, probably the result of being 
 built up more. Kind of fun when it does.

 --Eric

 On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:05 PM, islaysteve wrote:







  Nice pix Eric.  Makes me kind of homesick.  I remember Sacramento fog well. 
   When they say we have fog here (Wash, DC), I laugh.  Steve

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[RBW] Re: FS: Schmidt SON Classic 32 spoke 650B wheel, Deore XT cantis, Rivendell Baggins Saddlebag

[Roger]

I'm not sure any one bag was called Baggins, but this one looks very
similar to my Baggins Hoss. It's a bigg'n, alright.

Jim has the capacities of these bags listed here:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_bag_capacities0507.pdf

On Nov 25, 11:06 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 How does the saddlebag compare in volume to a Hoss or a Camper?

 Thanks.









 On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:07 PM, David Mayne dma...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:38 PM, David Mayne dma...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have a Peter White built front wheel with Schmidt SON Classic in
  silver, 32 spokes laced to a Velocity Synergy 650B  rim, about 500 miles on
  it, excellent condition. Peter sells the hub at a closeout price of $200,
  I'd like $220 for the wheel. Seattle pickup only, please, I do not want to
  mess with shipping this.

  NOS Deore XT cantis Model SH-BRM737-R, (no stradle cable) $25 + shipping.

  Thanks for the responses, the above items have been claimed. The bag below
  is still available, I'll knock it down to $80 plus shipping.

  1 large (and I mean very large) Rivendell Baggins Saddlebag, well used
  but not abused. pics below, $90 + shipping.

 http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins1.jpg
 http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins2.jpg
 http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins3.jpg
 http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins4.jpg
 http://dmayne.home.mindspring.com/bike/baggins5.jpg

  Thanks,

  David

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[RBW] Re: 40oz Klean Kanteen Cages?

[Roger]

Would the Salsa Anything Cage work for this?
http://salsacycles.com/components/anything_cage/

On Nov 15, 10:32 am, futch mfutc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Has anyone ever seen bottle cages that could hold a 40 oz klean
 kanteen?  The website has some for the 27oz bottles, but I thought it
 would be nice to have the bigger bottles too.  I don't think it would
 interfere with pedaling...maybe I'm wrong.

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[RBW] Re: First Ride on New Saluki

[Roger]

Congratulations on getting back in the saddle, Peter.

That stem should be just the thing while you dial in your position -
and as your preferred position changes as you start to rack up the
miles.

I was mostly sidelined for 5 years. It's been over a year since I
could ride any significant distances, and I feel better the more I
ride. My bars have always been placed where they were most comforable,
which at first was quite high, but has inched down a little at a time.
I recently switched back to a drop bar so I would have higher and
lower positions. When I find I'm riding more in the drops, I nudge the
bar down until the drops and hoods are equally comfortable.

Ride comfy and ride lots.

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[RBW] Re: WTB Bolt-On + High Flange Hubs

[Roger]

That's a good question which may not have a satisfying answer.
A decade ago, Roger Durham would have set you up with some great
Bullseye hubs. I have a couple of single speed hubs that have the
skewer hole threaded for bolts, so you can change your mind any time
you want. I imagine he's retired now.

I also am not bewitched by quick releases, but they do clamp well on
horizontal dropouts. As an aside, the one really nice little advantage
that bolt-ons have with single/fixed gears is that you can walk the
wheel to optimal chain tightness and wheel alignment by loosening and
tightening one side at a time.

I use mostly locking skewers, maybe that's a compromise that's halfway
satisfying for you. Pitlock is a current brand, but mine are Kore
brand. There are also allen key (non-locking) skewers, which are like
a bolt-on on one side...

Roger

On Nov 11, 2:40 pm, Smitty-A-Go-Go 54ca...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have no convincing explanation as to why I prefer bolt-on wheels over
 quick release. I've never heard a story of a QR failure. I've never had
 mechanical issues with QR myself. I just like bolts... I like how they
 look, I like to feel them tighten, I like their elemental mechanical
 simplicity. Sure, I have bikes with QR wheels and there's even a QR seat
 post clamp on one bike in my stable, but I go with bolts where possible.

 I'm looking for a set of hubs for my AHH.

 My fantasy hubs would be high flange with cut-outs, a cassette rear (135mm)
  and bolts. I could be swayed to a freewheel if the bolts, high flange and
 cut-outs are there.  I've found several suitable options for the front but
 the rear is proving to be more difficult to track down.

 I emailed Rich at RBWHQ to ask about a bolt conversion for their Phil
 Rivy hubs, but no such conversion exists.

 Hope has a bolt kit for their rear hubs. But it's set up for disc brakes. I
 could leave the disc off but don't really want to spend that kind of money
 for a hub that isn't what I want... I've found several other options that
 aren't quite what I want for less money than a Hope.

 I'm wondering if anyone on the list either has a suitable set of hubs (or
 even just a rear) they'd like to sell or if anyone knows of a currently
 available hub that meets the above criteria.

 Thanks, Smitty

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[RBW] Re: GEO Charts

[Roger]

Oh, that wonderful, wonderful slack seat tube!

On my two bespoke bikes, the only deviations I've had done from
normal were to increasingly slacken the seat tube angle(and lengthen
chainstay and top tube accordingly). 72 was better for me than 73, but
it was 71 that really made things right.

I've test ridden a 64cm Sam, and I do believe it was the most stable
for me at very low speed/almost stopped of any bike I've ever been on,
and riding at speed is great as well. I attribute this to balancing my
weight more easily from the saddle without hands, and saddle setback
has everything to do with that. Long chainstays moving the rear wheel
further behind the saddle is important, too.

This is in delightful contrast to my early days of unsteadily trying
to balance on steep seat tubes (73+) and too short top tubes that put
my weight out over the front wheel. The Sam was even noticeably more
set back and delightful than the Hunqapillar setup I tried the same
day. The Hunq may or may not have maxed its setback, but it was
noticeably and less delightfully less set back on that day.

Beyond proper setback improving balance, it also is critical in
relationship to the pedal. Using unfastened footwear, even if just
occasionally, is instructive in allowing your feet to tell you where
they actually want to meet the pedal. On 72+ seat tubes and my B17
pushed as far back as I can, my feet still want to extend forward and
contact the pedal across the instep, not at the balls. My 71 allows my
feet to be happy with the balls on the pedal, which I prefer most.

I am so, so happy that even just this one designer is daring to go
below 72 and very much hope it isn't squashed by skepticism.

Now that tires are allowed to be wider for those who want it, and bars
can be raised higher for those who want it, the new frontier is more
saddle setback, for those who want that. And those who don't are still
well-served by merely mounting their choice of narrower tires,
lowering their stems, or scootching their seats forward on the rails.


On Oct 28, 4:31 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Speaking of Riv geometry, I see the Soma San Marcos geometry is up at
 Somfab's web page--that is a pretty slack seattube!

 http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set

 Steve Too slack for me, Frederick,  East Lansing, MI







 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:33 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Seth

  Of course I'll send it to you.  I think Jim has already done something to
  make it, or the historical model charts, public.  We should be able to solve
  that without much trouble.

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[RBW] Re: Non-Aero brake levers for moustache bars

[Roger]

I've used DC 204, Tektro R200, and reverse pull levers with mousy ache bars. My 
favorite combo if the reach is shortish is the beefy R200 and riding primarily 
stretched out on the hoods. With a longish reach I like the reverse pull 
levers, so you can brake with your weight back and have that clean bar. The 204 
was always good, too, but  not quite as handy for me to grip and stretch out. 
Seems all my bikes get mousy ache bars sooner or later.

Those Superbes are indeed superbe I still love mine but need new hoods. Do 
Campy NR pattern replacements fit right?

By the way-- mousy ache???
Gotta love autospell. 

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