Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Sarah Carlson]

I love seeing this thread come back. And I approve of coordinating bike 
bags to shorts! Love it!

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:

> My new fave riding clothes, merino t-shirt, Amundsen shorts and the good 
> old Eric Marth designed kerchief.
>
> [image: 0.jpg]
>
> On Sunday 26 May 2024 at 21:07:40 UTC+1 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is starting to remind me of the early '90s.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who once built a gofast '92 XO-1 with bright purple 
>> anodized Sun M14A "semi-aero" rims (and later ruined them with Easy Off -- 
>> left them at the curb for the recycling truck).
>>
>> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 6:41 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect 
>>> shoes for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:28:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Excellent kit and you look amazing. I love the bike style posts and am 
 so tickled every time I get one!
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 19, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 Today's cool but not too cold ride was with Randi Jo wool cap, wool 
 button up from Anian, and the buckskin gloves that Ron & Arya brand and 
 resell - which, for the record, are awesome! All of this kit is excellent 
 - 
 warm and pretty water resistant as well. 



 




 On Sunday, 5 November 2023 at 12:48:30 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll try to remember to take a photo of the knickers (not of me) when 
> it's next cold enough to wear them. They are very, very comfortable and 
> nice looking.
>
> Balmy upper 60s on today's ride home wearing my new (to me) bright 
> green Cheviot cap while riding a forest green Matthews.
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 10:20 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> +1 on your church going cycling attire. The description is vivid 
>> enough so I can clearly see it. Your warm weather sartorial choices are 
>> impressive as well.
>> I need to up my game and enhance my decade old Rivendell knickers. 
>> Thanks for the inspiration:-)
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I broke out my oh, so elegant! grey flannel cycling knickers* last 
>>> Sunday for the ride to church, matched with Rick's (Reisemberg) 
>>> medium-dark 
>>> grey knee socks and a charcoal grey merino mock turtleneck pullover 
>>> under a 
>>> navy Wabi Woolen LS jersey cunningly made into a light cycling jacket 
>>> with 
>>> the (very professional) addition of a full-length zipper. Shoes should 
>>> have 
>>> been Dromartis, but I use plain black canvas Specialized SPD shoes 
>>> because 
>>> they have a wide toe box and a flat bottom, better for standing during 
>>> 2+ 
>>> hour liturgies. Topped off with ironically-retro, deliberately jarring 
>>> green-and-red Legnano cycling cap; not quite cold enough for ear flaps. 
>>>
>>> Only 1 person did a double take at the knickers.
>>>
>>> Must take a fashion shot.
>>>
>>> But temps have risen almost 20* this week, so it looks like I'll be 
>>> back to the light nylon REI roll-up-legs-and-snap-in-place pants and 
>>> cotton 
>>> collared shirt this Sunday.
>>>
>>> Much more casually, this afternoon, temp about 72* with moderate 
>>> wind, wore a blue and white wool ss jersey with Italian lycra arm 
>>> warmers 
>>> over black Rapha Randonee shorts. Black ankle socks with catchy "Route 
>>> 66" 
>>> graphic and late 1980s/1990s Shimano 3-strap SPD shoes and custom 
>>> cycling 
>>> cap from Little Packet, no longer in business.
>>>
>>> * Very tastefully converted from a very nice pair of Nordstrom wool 
>>> dress flannels with nylon wind panels on inside front and replaceable 
>>> matched-color wear panel on seat and crotch.
>>>
>>> I have to say: I've spent considerable bucks on very many supposedly 
>>> purpose-designed riding pants, knickers and long pants, and I have 
>>> never 
>>> had a pair of cycling pants that fit as well and are so well adapted to 
>>> pedaling as converted dress pants, with the high waist and roomy -- not 
>>> baggy; not 1950s -- cut. They come up high enough in back that you 
>>> don't 
>>> have that continual exposed skin anxiety, and they just feel much more 
>>> comfortable. So many knickers and pants designed for cycling, so they 
>>> say, 
>>> are simply cut too low in the back and just feel uncomfortable, and I'm 
>>> very trim. I've owned I think 4 pairs of dress-pant conversion cycling 
>>> knickers and I wish I'd not sold 2 of the other 3 pairs. 
>>>
>>> Patrick "not 

[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Sarah Carlson]

Looking forward to a someday CA meetup so you can come ride with me and our 
little brother! Will the travel gravel platy be up to the task? Only one 
way to find out!

Sarah

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 1:13:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yay for Ben and his first post! 
>
> So, backstory (I love a good backstory.) Ben showed up in my IG DMs one 
> day and we got to chatting. A mechanic at Blue Heron came up in 
> conversation (he has a colorful Platypus and is a friend of Ben’s). I said, 
> “My friend Sarah knows him!” And then I pointed Ben to Sarah’s IG and he 
> became familiar with her yellow Platypus. One day I got an excited message 
> from Ben, who had seen Sarah in passing out on her Platy. He didn’t feel 
> like he should stop her to introduce himself in case that would scare her. 
> I said I’d reach out and connect them. And those two have been good buddies 
> ever since. 
>
> So, being that Ben is just a kid, we call him our Little Brother, as in, 
> “I’m meeting our Little Brother for coffee” and “Did you tell our Little 
> Brother about that Platypus for sale” and so on and so forth. He and Sarah 
> ride their matching Atlanti together and Ben jokes one day they’ll get a 
> Hubbah Hubbah. I wish I was close enough to be in Sarah and Ben’s riding 
> group, but one day I’ll make a trek to California so I can do a ride with 
> them and be one big happy bunch of RivSiblings.
>
> Pam Murray always says “Bike people are the best people” and Pam Murray is 
> never wrong.
> Leah
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:50:35 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5333.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_5077.jpg][image: IMG_5080.jpg][image: IMG_5081.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>>>
 hey all,

 this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope 
 fully my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
 here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member. 
  shout out to Zac big thank you.
 i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
 that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
 have to own one at some point".
 i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
 group within a group.  
 You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail 
 and even running errands along the Greenway.
 Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are 
 pretty dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid 
 rise that will go on next.
 Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
 *pics coming in next post
 Ben R from El Cerrito

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Sarah Carlson]

Those ARE the perfect shoes that bike!!

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:41:36 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes 
> for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:28:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent kit and you look amazing. I love the bike style posts and am so 
>> tickled every time I get one!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Today's cool but not too cold ride was with Randi Jo wool cap, wool 
>> button up from Anian, and the buckskin gloves that Ron & Arya brand and 
>> resell - which, for the record, are awesome! All of this kit is excellent - 
>> warm and pretty water resistant as well. 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 5 November 2023 at 12:48:30 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'll try to remember to take a photo of the knickers (not of me) when 
>>> it's next cold enough to wear them. They are very, very comfortable and 
>>> nice looking.
>>>
>>> Balmy upper 60s on today's ride home wearing my new (to me) bright green 
>>> Cheviot cap while riding a forest green Matthews.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 10:20 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick,

 +1 on your church going cycling attire. The description is vivid enough 
 so I can clearly see it. Your warm weather sartorial choices are 
 impressive 
 as well.
 I need to up my game and enhance my decade old Rivendell knickers. 
 Thanks for the inspiration:-)

 Best,
 Rich in ATL 
  

 On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I broke out my oh, so elegant! grey flannel cycling knickers* last 
> Sunday for the ride to church, matched with Rick's (Reisemberg) 
> medium-dark 
> grey knee socks and a charcoal grey merino mock turtleneck pullover under 
> a 
> navy Wabi Woolen LS jersey cunningly made into a light cycling jacket 
> with 
> the (very professional) addition of a full-length zipper. Shoes should 
> have 
> been Dromartis, but I use plain black canvas Specialized SPD shoes 
> because 
> they have a wide toe box and a flat bottom, better for standing during 2+ 
> hour liturgies. Topped off with ironically-retro, deliberately jarring 
> green-and-red Legnano cycling cap; not quite cold enough for ear flaps. 
>
> Only 1 person did a double take at the knickers.
>
> Must take a fashion shot.
>
> But temps have risen almost 20* this week, so it looks like I'll be 
> back to the light nylon REI roll-up-legs-and-snap-in-place pants and 
> cotton 
> collared shirt this Sunday.
>
> Much more casually, this afternoon, temp about 72* with moderate wind, 
> wore a blue and white wool ss jersey with Italian lycra arm warmers over 
> black Rapha Randonee shorts. Black ankle socks with catchy "Route 66" 
> graphic and late 1980s/1990s Shimano 3-strap SPD shoes and custom cycling 
> cap from Little Packet, no longer in business.
>
> * Very tastefully converted from a very nice pair of Nordstrom wool 
> dress flannels with nylon wind panels on inside front and replaceable 
> matched-color wear panel on seat and crotch.
>
> I have to say: I've spent considerable bucks on very many supposedly 
> purpose-designed riding pants, knickers and long pants, and I have never 
> had a pair of cycling pants that fit as well and are so well adapted to 
> pedaling as converted dress pants, with the high waist and roomy -- not 
> baggy; not 1950s -- cut. They come up high enough in back that you don't 
> have that continual exposed skin anxiety, and they just feel much more 
> comfortable. So many knickers and pants designed for cycling, so they 
> say, 
> are simply cut too low in the back and just feel uncomfortable, and I'm 
> very trim. I've owned I think 4 pairs of dress-pant conversion cycling 
> knickers and I wish I'd not sold 2 of the other 3 pairs. 
>
> Patrick "not quite as serious as you might think" Moore
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:17 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Another knickers fan for spring/fall riding. My outfit today was 
>> perfect for the cool, crisp temps and reasonably coordinated (merino 
>> sweater, Zoic Reign knickers, Vans checkerboard socks).
>>
>> [image: GR001-4893_maple-ridge-1800.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for bringing this up! I have had only baby chonks chopped out by 
my dermatologist but I recently had a friend pass away from skin cancer. I 
just bought Da Brim in a festive pastel ribbon look. While it feels a bit 
derpy, it is preferable to the alternative. 

I feel like the Bike Pretty could go well on an elegant Platypus picnic 
ride. 

I'm waiting for pictures to show up on Leah's "Fashion on the bike" thread!

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 3:20:22 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Apologies for topic shift to Straw Helmet Sunshade and Cover* 
>
> Andrew 
>
> The helmet cover is made by Bike Pretty 
> .
>  
> Advertised for women, I wanted an alternative to wearing a do-rag under my 
> helmet, and a Da Brim 
> 
>  
> around the sides. 
>
> The full cover is at the bequest of my dermatologist, who's provided me a 
> weight loss effort this past year removing chunks from my ear, arm, hand, 
> and foot. Too much swimming, surfing, fly fishing, and I suppose cycling in 
> the Colorado, Idaho, Arizona, and California sun for too many years. An old 
> surfer friend of mine had skin cancer in his scalp, and I really don't want 
> to experience that. I look for sun coverage in anything I put on my head, 
> and I pretty much always wear a full brim hat whenever I go outsider now. I 
> cringe a little when I see trendy shaved heads under massively vented 
> helmets, either at the amounts of sun the wearer is receiving, or at the 
> amounts of sunscreen they are applying to their scalps. 
>
> The Bike Pretty cover is made for a particular type helmet that did not 
> interest me, but their advertising stated the size XL cover may fit various 
> other helmets. 
>
> Here is the Bike Pretty XL on a size medium Specialized Align II helmet: 
>
> [image: BP-N.jpeg]
>
> And the same on my size XL cover on a size L/XL Specialized Align II 
> helmet, with festive black ribbon removed: 
>
> [image: BP-front.jpeg]
>
> And from a rear perspective you can see how the tailfin of the helmet 
> profile protrudes a bit into the straw weave: 
>
> [image: BP-rear.jpeg]
>
> The cover fits without issue on the size medium helmet, but was a close 
> fit on the size L/XL, so I fastened first from the front of the elastic 
> band to the helmet with some black thread: 
>
> [image: BP-fstitch.jpeg]
>
> And then my wife stitched this much nicer hemp thread detail to the rear 
> to keep the thing from flying off in the breeze: 
>
> [image: BP-rstitch.jpeg]
>
> The cover weave breathes so much nicer that a do-rag or hat worn under the 
> helmet, and provides ample cover (although it's a weave, and not solid 
> fabric as with the heavier Da Brim). 
>
> I was pretty unsure about ordering it, thinking it was too goofy, but 
> thought it would be no worse in appearance than the Da Brim. Our cycling 
> group went crazy when they was it, and my wife ordered hers right away. 
>
> My next helmet purchase, and soon, will be a more round and better fitted 
> helmet to go with the Bike Pretty weave cover. 
>
> I really like it! Maybe Grant will introduce a better brim and coverage 
> during his helmet investigation? 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris 
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 7:37:54 PM UTC-7 Andrew Letton wrote:
>
>> Who makes that helmet cover, Chris? Me like!
>> cheers,
>> Andrew in Sydney
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 07:17:48 AM GMT+10, Chris Halasz <
>> cha...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> When I'm not auditioning for Spaceballs (that *is* a helmet cover), I 
>> sometimes bring binos into the hills with the high mileage point and shoot. 
>> It's not about the pixels, it's about the dynamic range. And I just love 
>> the small but high utility Arkel signature bar bag, double duty as an 
>> over-the-shoulder/sling bag. 
>>
>> [image: Spaceballs.jpeg]
>> [image: CameraBinos.jpeg]
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:01:14 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of cameras on bikes, I remember coming across this cool story of 
>> Frank Lenz a while back. Is anybody else carrying a 15lb camera and a 10lb 
>> pith helmet?
>>
>> Frank Lenz: The Lost Cyclist 
>> 
>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-05-20 at 9.00.00 PM.png]
>> Cheers, John
>> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 2:40:51 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:
>>
>> Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday 16 May 2024 at 1:03:44 pm UTC+10 Chester wrote:
>>
>> Really appreciate bigger sensors being available in pocketable packages. 
>> I don't ride in jerseys any more, so I haven't settled on the best way to 
>> carry even a really compact camera like an RX100 or GR. Even when just 
>> riding with 

[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Sarah Carlson]

YES, you should get one. It's a lovely bike and capable of so many things. 
If you want to be able to go from road to gravel and wherever you want you 
should get this bike!

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

I keep waiting for someone to roll it onto BART. It is so distinctive and 
seems like a crime of opportunity that the thief is unlikely to realize 
they have stolen an instagram recognizable bike.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:36:53 AM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:

> Shocked this hasn't turned up yet (per the recent Riv post 
>  on IG). This bike is *so* 
> recognizable and the thief was on foot. Assuming they're local to Walnut 
> Creek it's hard to imagine the bike won't be spotted or found in the 
> classifieds soon.
>
> -tio in bk 
>
> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Bad news from RBWHQ: James’s Platypus was stolen. 
>>
>> If you’re in the SFBA, please keep a lookout for his 55cm.
>>
>> [image: 444747329_465228889517111_1830065835189920655_n.jpg]
>>
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works 略 on Instagram: "STOLEN‼️ An unmasked marauder 
>> has made off with James's Platypus. If you live in the Bay Area, please 
>> keep an eye out for it.  Tis a 55cm. #rivendellplatypus #rivbike" 
>> 
>> instagram.com 
>> 
>>
>> [image: 444747329_465228889517111_1830065835189920655_n.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Sarah Carlson]

When "too much" is "just right." This bike will make you (and anyone who 
sees it) smile. Who could not smile at the sight on a My Little Platy 
coming down the road! I hope you have many joyous miles riding, and that 
some of them are in California so we can see it in person!

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>
> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
> to arrive.
>
> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>
> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
> Little Platy. 
>
> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken on 
> Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I put 
> fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>
> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had rainbow 
> hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the colors? 
> I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I had my 
> Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for grips, I 
> found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil slick 
> everywhere I could get it. 
>
> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>
> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
> She understood the assignment. 
>
> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>
> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>
> Please find my video link below.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>

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[RBW] Re: East Bay Dirty Route Recs

[Sarah Carlson]

Hey there!

You have lots options and an easy to get to fun one is Wildcat canyon. You 
can get off at Del Norte BART and go a little ways on the Ohlone Greenway 
before taking some streets to connect up with Wildcat Canyon (sorry I can't 
fill in the gaps on that one, this is where we need google maps to help. OR 
you can get out at N, Berkeley BART and ride the Greenway out past Del 
Norte BART and do the same thing. You can either out and back or make it a 
loop, exit the park after the Little farm (last little bit is no bikes so 
don't run over little children) go up up up Canon, and then you can take a 
nice descent down Spruce to Los Angeles, connect with Marin and back to the 
Greenway and BART. That's a bit less miles but you can make it more once 
you are up in Tilden. 

Sarah

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:07:03 PM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Looking for some ride & route recommendations in the East Bay; rides that 
> mix paved and unpaved roads that smartly link & loop together nice 
> sections, great scenery, challenging bits and chill bits. 
>
> Preferences that are in no way fixed requirements:
>
> - any length, but ideally in the 35-65 mi range (but open to longer!)
>
> - starting/ending: ideally somewhere near a BART station. 
>
> - doable with 650b x 48mm knobbies (ie not a mountain bike) 
>
> - bonus points for food/beverage related pit stop/s
>
>
> Thanks so much!
> Patch in Oakland
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

Oh wow Valerie! These photos were a treat to wake up to on mother's day, 
thanks for sharing!

Slowly we are all getting more information on what this mysterious CHG bike 
is and I'm glad this thread is here for it.

Sarah

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 9:45:40 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Doug - nice looking bike! Sharp and sleek. I love albatross bars. Can we 
> see a close up of your grips? Have you posted about them previously? They 
> look great.
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> This is a fun thread to follow. Valerie your stable of bikes is so nice! 
>> And, I enjoy reading your posts as it's obvious you have so much knowledge 
>> to offer. Keep it coming. I just recently bought a Roadini after selling my 
>> beloved Clem Smith Jr. I wanted a bicycle more suited for road riding and 
>> the Roadini has proven to be just that. I did set it up with Albatross bars 
>> for a more upright position. I don't ride in groups so can't say with 
>> experience that the Roadini is suited for that endeavor. But, I would say 
>> that it is without much reservation.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0998.JPEG]
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
>>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best 
>>> life. 
>>>
>>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
>>> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
>>> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
>>> pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
 road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was 
 lucky 
 to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
 befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
 and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
 surprise 
 midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

 anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
 bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem 
 confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet 
 their expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
 Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
 while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
 I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
 promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

 Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
 commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
 Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
 your hella colorful collection

 -Brent in chicago

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> This is SO fun. 
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope 
> we 
> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a 
> great 
> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the 
> used 
> market? So far there have been none to be found…
> L
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Me either!
>>
>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>
>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing 
>> in 
>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  
Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 

Sarah

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
> and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
> equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
> that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
> the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
> wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
> well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
> pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
> the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
> still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
> alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>
> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to 
> fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that 
> way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>
> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the 
> two
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
>> it’s pretty.
>>
>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
>> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>
>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
>> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell 
>> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
>> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
>> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description 
>> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
>> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>>
>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep 
>> it coming!
>> L
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire 
>> clearance is actually massive!”
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source of 
>> inspiration than Will’s:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> See also:
>>
>>
>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>>  
>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike" 
>> 
>> Watch and share reels with friends 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>  
>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
>> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
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[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to 
watch other people build theirs LEAH!

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

>
> Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
>>> others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>>>
>>> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I 
>>> was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was 
>>> also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the 
>>> club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am 
>>> introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks 
>>> with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with 
>>> HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy 
>>> the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation 
>>> of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by 
>>> doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips 
>>> across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully 
>>> supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever 
>>> interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>>>
>>> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
>>> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>>>
>>> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared 
>>> to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road 
>>> bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with 
>>> various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
>>> tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
>>> feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
>>> bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
>>> climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   
>>>
>>> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
>>> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
>>> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
>>> playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I 
>>> do with the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance 
>>> could surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and 
>>> a great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
>>> riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the 
 privilege to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a 
 RivSister with a wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It 
 was oddly like reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of 
 incorporating a new bike into your collection and using it for certain 
 subsets of rides. If you two don’t know each other I think you should get 
 acquainted! 

 Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
 really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
 experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found 
 Riv 
 at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
 and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
 phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
 group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
 people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly 
 helps.

 One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo 
 than your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you 
 think?

 Thanks again for this thread!
 Leah

 On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
> bought 
> your Charlie? 
>
>
> *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
> In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them 

[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!

Sarah

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and many 
> others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>
> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when I 
> was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase was 
> also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and the 
> club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But I am 
> introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few folks 
> with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip with 
> HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I enjoy 
> the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any expectation 
> of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, started by 
> doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and offers trips 
> across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, fully 
> supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if that ever 
> interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>
> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>
> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared to 
> the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road bike 
> I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides with 
> various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
> tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
> feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
> bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
> climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   
>
> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
> playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tried it on the rides I 
> do with the Roadeo, I can't say for sure how it compares. Its performance 
> could surprise me. In any event, I think the Gallop will be really fun and 
> a great intro to drop bars coming from the the upright models you've been 
> riding. I am eager to read your ride reports. 
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:51:38 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the 
>> privilege to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a 
>> RivSister with a wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It 
>> was oddly like reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of 
>> incorporating a new bike into your collection and using it for certain 
>> subsets of rides. If you two don’t know each other I think you should get 
>> acquainted! 
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
>> really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
>> experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found Riv 
>> at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
>> and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
>> phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
>> group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
>> people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly helps.
>>
>> One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo than 
>> your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you think?
>>
>> Thanks again for this thread!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
>>> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
>>> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought 
>>> your Charlie? 
>>>
>>>
>>> *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
>>> In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how 
>>> they perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do 
>>> - whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
>>> short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
>>> people. Although many have overlapping capabilities, I tend to set them up 
>>> for specific types of rides, rather than being all-rounders. With a new 
>>> bike, I like to figure out if it fills an empty niche or if it excels 
>>> relative to an existing bike in 

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Sarah Carlson]

Valerie, I want to hear the answers to all the questions! You are one of 
the few people riding this rare unicorn bike I want to know all the 
things!

Sarah

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 11:03:19 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Jason - - Hi! I am glad you agree. I was really surprised what an 
> improvment it was to remove that rack from it. I thought your review was 
> excellent overall. Very detailed and informative. I also agree re Hilborne. 
> That is better choice for carrying a load without impacting its 
> performance. I have not ridden a Homer.  
>
> Leah -- I will answer your questions in a separate thread. :)   
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:55:16 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>
>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>
>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
>>> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
>>> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought 
>>> your Charlie? 
>>>
>>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
>>> with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>>> that's why this reviewer 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>>> on it. 
>>>
>>>
>>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
 understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
 the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
 that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
> one once they become available. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>
>> I concede that this would be better!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Doug, 

 My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
 while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
 birthday) 
 is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
 longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
 one 
 friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may 
> replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road 
> bike. I 
> appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also 
> really 
> like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>
> 

Re: [RBW] Sonoma Wine Country Century tomorrow! Anyone else?

[Sarah Carlson]

I'm signed up but weighing the enjoyment/risk with the wind and rain. I 
just stuck my head out the window to get the "weather report" and was met 
with a gust of wind to the face and rain. My gut instinct for myself is to 
take the rain check, and go ride this route on a clear day. 

My yellow Platypus and I will likely ride out this storm in the house. If 
you see a flash of yellow out there it means I changed my mind!

Sarah

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 4:19:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Please post photos, of bike and bikes, route, countryside, and vintages, 
> and describe all in excessive detail.
>
> The nearby delightfully libertarian (as to HOA-type building standards*; 
> the libertarian social and political philosophy is false) "horsey suburb," 
> Corrales, hosts an annual wine tour, tho' only for NM and not for the far 
> more numerous and I daresay worthy CA wines. I've been tempted, but the 
> thought of riding a fixed gear home south against a strong afternoon 
> headwind while pleasantly lethargic under the influence of many, many 
> samples has made me hesitate; not to mention the traffic. How does one deal 
> with this?
>
> *$2M "estates" with ancient, crumbling, 600 sq foot adobes and 
> singlewides, locally top-rated restaurants and burrito shacks, rich Anglo 
> incomers and Hispano farmers resident since the 17th century, ancient 
> acequia trails and Loma Largo blvd where one winter circa 2010 I saw a Euro 
> pro team training in prep for the Tour at 5K feet in cool, sunny weather.
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:11 AM Pancake  wrote:
>
>> The Charlie H Gallop prototype is heading out for 100 miles tomorrow in 
>> Santa Rosa, basket and rain and all. Anyone else going to be on the ride 
>> tomorrow? 
>> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29272184
>> I’ve done this once before (my only prior Century) and it was wonderful … 
>> but it didn’t include tomorrow’s predicted 1” of rain peaking just before 
>> the ride begins.
>>
>> Related to rain: I have a light rain resistant jacket, partial fenders 
>> (MudX in front and Portland folding in back), and wool socks … any other 
>> suggestions for how to keep a bit dry and to dry out while riding? There’s 
>> a gear drop off point about 1/3rd of the way through which is when the rain 
>> should be receding, so I can ditch some gear. I’m just curious how the bits 
>> under my shorts will fair, I’m optimistic a bit of wind and time will dry 
>> me out when possible. Definitely time to get out the Brooks seat cover too!
>>
>> Finally, I’ve never really “carb loaded” beyond having rice or pasta 
>> before a ride. But I bonked last weekend on a 50 mile ride (albeit without 
>> really eating much of anything before). Anyone have a preferred liquid carb 
>> filled drink so I don’t fill my body with just rice and corn flakes?
>>
>> Hope everyone gets a great ride in this weekend!
>> Abe
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>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
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[RBW] Re: Give this guy a Like and a Subscribe

[Sarah Carlson]

Hey I watch your videos pretty much everyday! Great to see you pop up on 
here!

Sarah

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-7 probablyri...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Just realised my channel was shared on here. Thank you!
>
> On Tuesday 12 March 2024 at 10:09:34 UTC+9 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> QUALITY content! 
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-4 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Glad to see he's making longer content for YouTube, as I've also been 
>>> following him on IG for little while now and have been enjoying his bike 
>>> videos. 
>>>
>>> He's got a couple very sweet Rivs and a gift for filming and editing 
>>> bicycle content. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 8:03:49 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I've been following him on Instagram. He's got a nice collection of 
 Riv's and is constantly posting riding videos. No bike no likes right? I 
 subscribed to the YouTube channel. 

 On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:39:37 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing -- nice understated video that really is worth 
> watching -- makes me want to go cycle in Korea!  
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:16:40 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Nice video of his adventures aboard a Clem in Korea. 
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IFoDkOQjk08?si=tOa6oP0IbiZmwNRQ
>>
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[RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Sarah Carlson]

Hi Linda, 

I "temporarily" put my B67 on my Platypus and I think it's going to live 
there now. The springs make a squeaky noise, and I take this bike on club 
rides so sometimes it gets some comments, but I am so comfortable now I 
don't know that I need to "upgrade." There are ways to make the squeaky 
noise stop but now it's just part of my ride and makes me laugh a little 
bit. I thought about switching out to the B68 because I understand we can 
just buy one off the rack from Riv now, and this is my "fast" bike, but I 
don't feel like I need to anymore. I can ride much longer and don't find 
myself as limited by butt pain on my rides. I hope it works out for you!

Sarah

On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 8:39:15 AM UTC-7 Linda G wrote:

> You write that you have tried many saddles but were any of them woman 
> specific? Through a lifetime of touring and casual cycling I never had a 
> saddle that I would describe as comfortable until I found the Terry 
> Liberator X. By comfortable I mean that I just don't notice it when riding. 
> Long ago I ran for exercise, before there were running shoes for women. I 
> would get blisters on my heels and sides of my feet because the heels and 
> whole shoe was too wide and not shaped for my feet. 
> My dilemma now is finding a saddle for more upright riding that is 
> comfortable and also looks good on the Platypus I am building up. What I 
> think would be ideal is the Brooks B68s but it is not being made. Rivendell 
> sells the regular B68 if you buy a frame but I have learned that I need a 
> short saddle. I have bought a B67s and will see how it works out, though I 
> don't like the extra weight of the springs.
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 1:00:24 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
>> saddle that won't hurt. 
>>
>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>>
>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly 
>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I 
>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it 
>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot 
>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you 
>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable? 
>>
>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for 
>> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Sarah Carlson]

This bike is only one million dollars, see honey, I'm trying!

 Joe you nailed it. 

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:25:11 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Hahahaha yeah, that makes sense, Joe 
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:14:51 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I call it "spouse/SO says I have to sell" pricing. Somehow it never 
>> sells! 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-7 jonathan@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to see
>>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with 
 Rivs for sale. 

 On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question is 
> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube 
> and 
> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better reference 
> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.



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Re: [RBW] Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for the Bivo suggestion, those are just what I have been looking 
for. I ordered two and am going to give them a test run soon!

Sarah

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 9:23:42 PM UTC-8 ocea...@gmail.com wrote:

> +1 for king cages and I’ve recently discovered Bivo water bottles. They’re 
> excellent and silent. 
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> + 1 Iris. Simple, indestructible, elegant shape,
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> I've enjoyed the Iris King cages 
>>> .
>>>  
>>> Very secure and quite elegant looking.
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-02-25 at 8.06.35 PM.png]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 7:52:55 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 These have worked well for me. Adjustable fit to keep the bottle firmly 
 in place.

 [image: cfff0946e78b4f4406f14619c8cbfea9.jpeg]

 Mojave Water Bottle Cage 
 
 velo-orange.com 
 
 
  

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Feb 25, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Bernard Duhon  
 wrote:

 Mates, 
  
 I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle.  Most folks with 
 em I noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.
  
 Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any 
 composition)  
  

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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[Sarah Carlson]

Another vote for the Platypus. It is such a versatile bike, you can really 
take it in so many different build directions without compromising your 
experience. When I think of all the ways I've seen the Platypus built up, 
it's king of mind boggling. People smiling out on trails with lots of bags 
and knobby tires, sporty version built up for the road, all purpose 
shopping and around town bike... I love all my bikes but with the step 
through I imagine this one will outlast the others when it gets tougher to 
swing my leg over a top tube. Hopefully that's way in the future... but 
it's one reason I'm happy to have a Platy.

Sarah

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:46:51 AM UTC-8 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes Plumber, please share your wife's bike photos! You won't be stealing 
Bill's pink bike thunder if you make your own post...

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too 
> recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D Had to 
> do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here. 
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann  
> wrote:
>
>> The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went 
>> above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!
>>
>> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
>>> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though. 
>>> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely 
>>> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
 inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
 of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, 
 and 
 a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
 concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  

 The album is updated, scroll to the end:
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the 
> inaugural 
> ride take you?
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
>> tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
>> Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 
>> just 
>> states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
>> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
>> have 
>> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
>> of 
>> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  
>> Meditating 
>> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
>> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>>
>> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
>> time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off 
>> the 
>> lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
>> brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
>> earlier 
>> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new 
>> procedure 
>> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, 
>> which 
>> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set 
>> up, 
>> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
>> shots in it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 SMH

 Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
 Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>
> Toshi
>
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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Sarah Carlson]

Have you snuck over for even the littlest peek? I wouldn't be able to stop 
myself!

Am very much anticipating this pink bike reveal!

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 7:50:24 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>
> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my headbadge. 
>  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo page on the 
> website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are a few 
> touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that will tie 
> in.  
>
> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may be 
> New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait until 
>> next week to see it!
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> It's getting real
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

Love a Platypus with Billie Bars. Happy riding!

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 1:31:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Took advantage of the rare warm weather we are having to take my new 
> Platypus out. I purchased this 60cm Sergio's Green as a complete bike. At 
> first I thought I'd ride it complete as it was delivered right out of the 
> box. Although it was fine with the SunRace parts that came with bike I just 
> couldn't live with the aesthetic. I swapped a few parts to make it my own 
> and I now have it built the way I wanted it. 
>
> The Platypus is probably the nicest riding Rivendell I've ever owned. I'm 
> not very good at putting ride quality into words but it just feels sublime. 
> The combination of the laid back geometry and the chubby tires are bike 
> factors. I found that having more of my weight on the front end of the bike 
> by angling the bars down made a big difference. I also changed the stem to 
> a 135mm up from a 110mm. I am really happy with the bike and know that it 
> will serve me well through the years. 
>
> Here is what I swapped out to make it my own. 
>
> Nitto Billie Bars
> Shimano XTR M952 RD
> Shimano Deore DX FD
> Silver Triple Cranks. 44x34x24
> SunTour Power XC Power Ratchets
> Brooks B-17 Special
> Paul Love Levers
> Oury Grips
> Added SimsXNitto Obento Rack
> Wald 137
> 5th Season Squall Sack
>
> [image: 378813CC-FB63-412C-8A4F-CC94A83F5E88_1_105_c.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Sarah Carlson]

I'm building a Homer now, also to be my endurance bike. I don't do drop 
bars because of a wacky shoulder, and what was recommended to me was the 
Choco bar which has some of qualities of a drop bar, but also a swept back 
quality. I have not tried it yet, but that's what I'm aiming for.

I hope you find a solution that works, it's a beautiful bike.
Sarah

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six months 
> I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though this is 
> my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my city bike. 
>  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, XT, etc. . 
> added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv Happisack, which 
> alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the distinctly un-glamorous 
> garage pic:
>
>
> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>
> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>
> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a zippy 
> road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the Dia 
> Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the TRP 
> drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>
> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>
> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I 
> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright 
> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar 
> endurance/all-roadish bike. 
>
> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the 
> bars are 5" above the saddle. 
>
> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>
> Thanks!
> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Sarah Carlson]

This Riv Sister is sitting here with stars in her eyes imagining this bike! 
The update just made my morning. Waiting happily for the big reveal!

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>
> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>
> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will get 
> this information after I've seen the finished product and can share photos. 
>  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built 
> Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and 
> accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders are pink with 
> cream "French tips". 
>
> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>
> :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>> for paint
>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>> excited about that.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
>>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
>>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
>>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
 my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
 been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
 since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
 them 
 first shot at the actual reveal.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, Ca

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>> and 
>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>> then 
>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>> supposed 
>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>
>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>> not 
>> be red. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
 choose something else?


 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
> paid 
> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
> eager to 
> see it painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
> pleasant visit all around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
>> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
>> (622-35).  
>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 
>> (622-38).  
>>
>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able 

[RBW] Re: Favorite Bay Area S24Os?

[Sarah Carlson]

I do love Mt. Diablo but would recommend sticking to Spring nights or 
timing your arrival so you minimize the time sitting out in the sun as the 
campsites are up high in an exposed area (unless you know a spot with more 
tree cover). We had a couple hours baking in the sun in 90 degree weather. 
My daughter still likes to joke when we drive by the mountain, "I bet you 
it's only 64 degrees up there!" It is one of my favorite spots but I 
haven't convinced anyone in my family to do a repeat trip. 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 11:16:29 AM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> This being the Riv list, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mt Diablo. 
> There are sanctioned campgrounds, but there is a lot of space for 
> unsanctioned camping. Just don't light a campfire at the unsanctioned 
> spots. 
>
> jim mather
> walnut creek ca
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:33:28 AM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Bothe in Calistoga. Good hike and bike campsite always available. Though 
>> this will be a better option as the Vine Trail continues to be extende, 
>> otherwise you get some time on Silverado Trail which is nice but … yeah, 
>> cars.
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:30:29 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jesse,
>>>
>>> I've visited Samuel P many times via bike. Pre 2020, hiker biker site at 
>>> Samuel P was no reservation required. Even when the hiker/biker was "full" 
>>> there was always enough room to squeeze in. The best part of sharing the 
>>> site with others is hearing their stories. Some were overnighters like me, 
>>> others were from Europe and hiking up the California coast. You might want 
>>> to check on the policies of the state park as many things have changed 
>>> since 2020.
>>>
>>> Riding to go camping was a revelation for me. I could ride to a 
>>> destination, sleep, then ride back which doubled the distance between 
>>> points I could ride in a day. It sounds silly writing it out but was 
>>> totally mind blowing at the time as all my rides prior were planned around 
>>> getting back to where I started. 
>>>
>>> Here's a write up I did back in 2017 about riding up to Samuel P on a 
>>> Quickbeam.
>>>  https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/8AYdSsNsh7E/m/h5unB6v_AwAJ  
>>> 
>>>
>>> Please give us an update after your trip. always enjoy reading others 
>>> ride reports :)
>>>
>>> Christian
>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 2:40:02 PM UTC-7 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks! I was able to a camp reservation in Feb for Angel Isand, i'll 
 report back on how it went. 

 Donzaemon - I think most "require" a reservation, but some do have 
 first some site for bikers/hikers. A few friends also let me know that 
 they 
 have never had an issue showing up during the week. Weekends are probably 
 a 
 different story.

 On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> Does one need a reservation to camp there? Trying to plan a trip there 
> this spring and most of the weekend slots are gone.
>
> Don
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:43:26 AM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Angel Island is an oft-overlooked destination. 
>> SP Taylor State Park (though in a valley and tends to be a bit damp)
>> China Camp State Park
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:31:42 AM UTC-8 jesse.b...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello! I am hoping to do a lot more quick overnight trips this year 
>>> and was wondering if people had favorite rides and camp spots in the 
>>> bay 
>>> area? I have a few Marin sites on my list (Pantoll, Hawk).
>>>
>>> I live in SF, but not opposed to taking bart as part of the trip.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

[Sarah Carlson]

Brian, it has been rainy and dreary here in Riv Country for DAYS so don't 
worry, it is a fantasy for us here as well!

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 6:16:44 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The weather is shit where I am (oddly enough, the Gulf Coast), so this 
> video is what's giving me strength right now. I wish I could be teleported 
> into these vintage, golden hues of Walnut Creek careening down a dirt path 
> with my Gus.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I thought this video came out so good, wish they made a longer cut of 
>> it.. feel like i could watch that 16mm film all day
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 9:21:37 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Fun video. The way they are "shredding" the trails is my kind of riding. 
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 That was great! Thanks for posting Eric!

 On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and 
> sweet. And  they all having such a good time. 
>
> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd 
> I 
> suppose. 
>
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  
> wrote:
>
>> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>>
>>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell 
>>> staff :0) Quite fun! 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>>
>>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived 
>>> saddle. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: HELP: My wife stole my Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

Any RivSister can tell you that the way to a woman's heart is her own shiny 
Platypus. 

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:57:43 AM UTC-8 Drurad (Sacramento) wrote:

> I recently found a new home for my 60 Cheviot (wonderful guy: J Imler - 
> see his post: 
>
>  https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/9F0fvENp3i8/m/vyhQlH8DBAAJ
>
> I then found a Platypus that was more in my size range:
>
> [image: F5697369-C0A5-48C8-971D-078D405FB04F.jpeg]
>
> However, as soon as my wife laid eyes on it, it was no longer mine.  She 
> has decided to steal my Platypus and give up her 51 Sam (I will list FS her 
> tuxedo Sam on the list soon).  
>
> This point of friction in our marriage can only be remedied in one way - 
> by me getting a new bike.  
>
> So, I am in search of a new bike.  And I have set my ambitions high on 
> this one.  I am reaching out to see if anyone has one of the following 
> bikes (frameset preferred) that they would be willing to part with:
>
> 1. Hunq - 54 
> 2. Atlantis - Toyo/Waterford - 56
> 3. Another Riv that shares a family resemblance with either of these two.
>
> Not only would it go to a good home, but you would be saving an otherwise 
> good marriage.  
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Sarah Carlson]

Just watched the RAGBRAI documentary and can totally understand how you 
could be called to join a community of riders who support each other 
through an exciting challenge. It makes me want to go too except for 
when I heard one of the guys commenting, "It's 105 degrees." That gave me 
pause! 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:33:07 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>
> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>
> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
> others?
>
> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>
> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

I did finally order my triple! 24-34-44. I was captivated by the idea of 22 
for the smallest chainring but that wasn't an option. I really appreciate 
all the feedback and pictures of the bikes!

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 6:27:06 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:

> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely bikes, 
> and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do most of 
> the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the Atlantis 
> which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes and I 
> have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been taking my 
> Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... until I 
> started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that involve a 
> lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to 
> build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am 
> totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have 
> set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people 
> which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon 
> fiber things). 
>
> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>
> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>
> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I 
> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a 
> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 
>
> I am open to bikesplaining.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW HQ visit

[Sarah Carlson]

And in all fairness my aesthetic is like crossing a classy Rivendell bike 
with a Lisa Frank Trapper Keeper from the 90s... so his observations are 
fair. 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey y'all
>
> I am planning a trip to SF in March, and was thinking of visiting HQ in 
> Walnut Creek. I have two Rivs, and no real need to visit, except that I am 
> a huge fan of the brand, the employees, the culture, etc. It's always been 
> a dream of mine to visit and meet some/all of the crew.
>
> My dream visit consists of, show up, shoot the shit with the whole crew, 
> get a mini tour, and ride off into the sunset on a group ride. I understand 
> this is not the reality, and that you need an appointment to go on a 
> weekday, and that Saturdays there's likely only 2-4 people there. So I 
> would like to hear some experiences of the reality. Has anyone made the 
> pilgrimage to RBWHQ "just because"? Did you make an appointment? Go on a 
> Saturday?
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW HQ visit

[Sarah Carlson]

I would definitely make an appointment because these dudes are busy and 
that way they can pencil in some time to give you attention. Otherwise you 
might show up when they are unloading a truck. I agree with Joe that it's 
great to find a couple things to order that you can pick up on your 
visit... and also bring treats! These visits are in a quirky environment, a 
kinda funky warehouse, but I have found any visit there delightful... even 
when Grant pokes fun at my over-exuberant color choices. (I will keep my 
favorite comment to myself, but Leah knows it!)

Sarah

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey y'all
>
> I am planning a trip to SF in March, and was thinking of visiting HQ in 
> Walnut Creek. I have two Rivs, and no real need to visit, except that I am 
> a huge fan of the brand, the employees, the culture, etc. It's always been 
> a dream of mine to visit and meet some/all of the crew.
>
> My dream visit consists of, show up, shoot the shit with the whole crew, 
> get a mini tour, and ride off into the sunset on a group ride. I understand 
> this is not the reality, and that you need an appointment to go on a 
> weekday, and that Saturdays there's likely only 2-4 people there. So I 
> would like to hear some experiences of the reality. Has anyone made the 
> pilgrimage to RBWHQ "just because"? Did you make an appointment? Go on a 
> Saturday?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Sarah Carlson]

Leah,  now you will probably chime in with me and Joe on the conversations 
when we discuss how a crank can also be beautiful. Because once you 
recognize it you won't be able to unsee it!

Sarah

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 4:04:25 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> You guys are going to make me want to fall down the rabbit hole again and 
> find little ways to lighten up my raspberry Platypus. And I have now just 
> practically sent an invitation for people to tell me that weight doesn’t 
> matter and I should think about the engine (me) and so on  but not even 
> they can discourage me! I can have one bike to be irrational about.
>
> I did do a version of this of the Formerly Mine Clem. I got aluminum bars 
> and new wheels and tires, got rid of the basket rack and it did make a 
> difference. I was riding that thing for all purposes, including for fast 
> exercise kind of rides. Dumb, but whatever. 
>
> I don’t know about this White Industries stuff but I suppose I’ll go read 
> about them now.
> Thanks a lot you guys. Yikes.
> Leah
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:13:09 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> This thread made me finally weigh my 59cm Susie and it came in 15.9kg. 
>> which is more than I thought tbh. It would be 17kg normally I guess but 
>> currently doesn't have front rack and basket.
>> There are a lot of places I could save weight I suppose. I have straight 
>> guage spokes, and b17 flyer, dyno with rear light. The R14 weighs over 
>> 800grams, the old M565 LX hub is hefty...
>> Oh dear...
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

Every ride is going to be like Valentines Day on that gorgeous bike!

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>
> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
> email) and we made a plan. 
>
> We colored it all. 
>
> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>
> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>
> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>
> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
> never seen. 
>
> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. 
>
> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>
> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>
> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have 
> heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their own 
> right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.
>
> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
> asked. 
>
> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>
> Leah
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Sarah Carlson]

What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!

Sarah

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
> Christmas. 
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
>> its way to you!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
>>> other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
>>> frame... 樂
>>>
>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
 wife’s in time! 

 On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:

 I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
 put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 



 On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:

> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels 
> to 
> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic 
> coating 
> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it 
> will 
> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 
> (caliper 
> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
> wrote:
>
>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>
>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the taste 
>> of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was born 
>> there and I love to visit!)
>>
>> S.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during 
>>> the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats are 
>>> in 
>>> those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.
>>>
>>> Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had 
>>> several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned 
>>> several 
>>> times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple 
>>> Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the 
>>> green 
>>> instead of two different purples. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Sarah Carlson]

;>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 8:15:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in 
>>>>>> again because my name got mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better 
>>>>>> fit for me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s 
>>>>>> the sweet spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in 
>>>>>> question doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> blow the budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his 
>>>>>> wife 
>>>>>> might fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete 
>>>>>> is 
>>>>>> a great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, 
>>>>>> let 
>>>>>> her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
>>>>>> parts she wants later. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she 
>>>>>> can hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make 
>>>>>> us 
>>>>>> fall in love with the gifts our men give us. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is 
>>>>>>>> a thing I just made up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an 
>>>>>>>>> immediate community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most 
>>>>>>>>> wonderful 
>>>>>>>>> point! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to 
>>>>>>>>>> comment since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the 
>>>>>>>>>> precursor 
>>>>>>>>>> which was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheviot.  Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters 
>>>>>>>>>> will 
>>>>>>>>>> have fun helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if 
>>>>>>>>>> she has 
>>>>>>>>>> any questions.  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>> krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @Tim -
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at 
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.  So yeah they're basically the same.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Sarah Carlson]

Leah, did you see that Analog had the (I think Jaguar) in  pink? It's 
sold out now but maybe they might have one stashed for you!

Sarah

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:29:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Johnny - I know! Maybe it’s the swept-back bars? 
>
> Garth and anyone else: I hate spending $200 on a seat post but I would do 
> it for my raspberry Platypus. The Rivet Sonora rails are short and what I 
> wouldn’t give for more setback. If I bought that Nitto from Crust’s website 
> (S84?) that WOULD give me noticeably more setback than the standard Riv 
> seat post, yes? 
>
> Say the word and I’m buying that stupid expensive post.
> L
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 3:09 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Not to derail this but with the Riv method of riding oversized bikes I am 
> shocked that there is much need for saddles to be set back so far.
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 2:06:44 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> So the Jaguar has an insignificant extra 1mm of setback over the S83.
>> We need a 26.8 S84 which would require a new lug for the S84, or a change 
>> in diameter below the lug. I am not holding my breath for either of that 
>> developments.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 1:53:08 PM UTC-4 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Here are the specs from Nitto:
>>>
>>> [image: NJ-SP72.png]
>>> [image: Nitto seatpost.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Looking closely at pictures of the S83 and the Jaguar, I do not believe 
 that the Jaguar has more setback than the S83, let alone 50% more 
 (according to the Crust Website 30mm vs. 20mm). They look equal to me. The 
 forward bolt holes appear to be in the same location.

 [image: Seatp.JPG]

 Laing

 On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-4 andrew.s...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I found a new secondhans NJS jaguar 
> 
>  
> for my hillborne on Ebay. New they’re 200 bucks, yeesh. Lots of setback, 
> super pretty. They definitely out bling my white industries hubs.
> Randy “ooo shiny” in portland
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 9:07:01 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Eric, I’m so glad you started this thread. I went through the same 
>> odyssey a few years ago and tried the IRD seatpost and it slipped like 
>> crazy. Riv took it back and stopped selling it because it was a 
>> widespread 
>> problem. I want a bit more setback on my Platy so I’m going to take 
>> Liz’s 
>> recommendation.
>>
>> Liz - thank you SO much! I was led to believe during my search that I 
>> was out of luck because most seatposts come in the-27-whatever size and 
>> not 
>> our uncommon 26.8. Can this seat post really work well at only $15?!? 
>>
>> Much thanks,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:42:42 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-04-12 at 10.40.34 PM.png]
>>>
>>> Hi all — I'm comparing 26.8 seatposts and their varying setback. I'd 
>>> like the saddle on my MB-2 to be further back. 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any firsthand experience with how a Thompson and 
>>> Nitto S83 compare in terms of setback? I've been searching around and 
>>> can't 
>>> find any definitive measurements. 
>>>
>>> I'm currently running a Suntour XC Pro seatpost and it looks like 
>>> either of the above will give me more setback than I currently have.  
>>>
>>> I've tried and very much did *not* like the IRD wayback seatpost, 
>>> it slips. Others have reported the same. Don't buy this seatpost! 
>>>
>>> The vintage SR MTE-100 is good, solid, I run one on my Appaloosa. 
>>> Would rather try something different. Plus, they're hard to find! 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Sarah Carlson]

If you paint your bike a fast color, your bike goes faster.

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question 
> that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again 
> as always in getting on for 25 years of ownership that *it's just easier 
> to maintain speed and cadence in given conditions in given gears,* this 
> both on the flats and on hills. I remember being struck by this, again at 
> the start of each ride on it, in the first years of ownership.
>
> Tires make a difference, tho' it felt this way with 571 X 23 mm Conti 
> Grands Prix and Michelin Pro Races and with 559 X 23 mm Specialized Turbos; 
> with the slightly wider (27.19 mm rear at 60 psi and 27.49 mm front at 55 
> psi on my 19 mm OW rims) and even lighter and more supple Elk Passes it 
> feels even faster and *smoother.* 
>
> BTW, I wholly discountenance the opinion that harshness or vibration makes 
> riders think they're going fast. At least, perhaps some people do that, but 
> I've always associated harshness with slowness and smoothness with speed. 
> But again, the '99 has always felt *smooth* and *fast.*
>
> What provoked this perennial question was my very pleasant mid-afternoon 
> ride today. My route included about 1 mile of steep hill starting at 
> Broadway and, feeling tired and sluggish and being old I considered 
> swapping the Phil 17/19Dingle wheel (76" and 68") with the SA TF wheel (76" 
> and 57" underdrive), but didn't want the bother and decided I'd just walk 
> if necessary.
>
> I did plan to move the chain to the 19 t/68" gear once I got downtown, but 
> didn't do this, either. Winds variable up to about 7-8 mph.
>
> I took it easy but found myself following some youngster on a thin-tire 
> 700C derailleur hybrid for about 8 miles; I finally caught up to him at the 
> first light on Coal and followed him up the climb. I think he was a UNM 
> student and at least 45 years younger than I, and he put a few yards on me 
> up the hill spinning in a low gear but I was surprised once again (this is 
> the point, don't mind my meandering) at *how well and easily* the bike 
> climbs.
>
> ???
>
> Planing? The frame is not as over-beefy as the 2003 Goodrich custom but 
> it's not as light and certainly has fatter tubes than the wonderful 
> thinwall 531 normal gauge 2020 Matthews replacement of the 2003.
>
> Weight? With the Phil it's right at 18 lb without bottle or bag versus ~28 
> for the Matthews road with F+R racks, fenders, lights, and SA 3 speed hub, 
> and versus the 30-31 lb of the Matthews road-bike-for-dirt with 2X10 
> derailleur drivetrain, 50 mm tires, 2X gauge fenders, dynamo lighting, and 
> rear rack. But it feels fast on the flats at steady-state cruising. I 
> daresay that the weight makes a difference on hills, but I *don't* think 
> that weight is the only reason.
>
> I know that some bikes just fit and feel "perfect," and this is one of 
> them (tho' the 2 Matthewses fit just about the same since I built them up 
> to do so). That old Herse was a tank that 2 earlier owners sold for cheap 
> but for me it rode "fast" if not as fast as the 1999 Joe Starck.
>
> To end this meandering: since so much of my riding is either errands 
> requiring bags or dirt requiring fat tires the 1999 gets ridden less than 
> it otherwise would, but if I had to get ride of all bikes but one, I'd 
> happily keep this and build 1 or 2 alternative wheelsets (geared/skinny, 
> geared/fattish) and buy a bit selection of strap-on saddlebags from repair 
> kit only to Sackville Medium.
>
> I've owned 5 Rivendells including 3 customs and this one is the last (tho' 
> the 2020 Matthews is a copy of the 2003).
>
> Sorry, can't resist posting again:
>
> [image: image.png]
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Bill, I will be keeping an eye out for you on Mt. Diablo so I can give you 
a thumbs up when you pass me! 

Sarah

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> A couple weeks back I said:
>
> "The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
> will be on a derailleurless bike."
>
> When I state a goal, I feel committed, even if the RBW Group isn't 
> expending energy to hold me accountable, there is accountability when I 
> type it out.  Anyhow, I got a start on the above today with my first summit 
> of Mount Diablo for 2024.  I did it on my current stripped down road bike, 
> my Black Mountain Cycles Road.  I picked today to avoid the pockets of rain 
> that are hitting us with some regularity.  It was sunny and cool, but not 
> cold.  One down, four to go.  Highlights included a rider on a 2TT 
> Hillborne with Albatross bars.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Therese is a delightful person and a very good rider.  I used to run 
>> across her a lot in the East Bay and at SFR events, but I don't think our 
>> paths have crossed lately.  
>>
>> She's also a fair bit more enlightened about gearing than the filmmaker. 
>>  Her set up isn't perfect, but it's close (IMHO).  
>>
>> The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
>> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
>> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
>> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
>> will be on a derailleurless bike.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2-hdvGWjU_channel=Henrywildeberry
>>>
>>> I found a youtube video that is exactly how I want to ride 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:04:42 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:
>>>
>>>> All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate 
>>>> all the help. Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:01:05 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
>>>>>> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
>>>>>> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs 
>>>>>> ride 
>>>>>> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
>>>>>> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
>>>>>> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. 
>>>>>> On 
>>>>>> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% 
>>>>>> grade, 
>>>>>> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
>>>>>> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in the 
>>>>>> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you 
>>>>>> can 
>>>>>> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local 
>>>>>>> list members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding 
>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>> these roads.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, 
>>>>>>> with what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for 
>>>>>>> dirt), and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or 
>>>>>>> even a 28 may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But 
>>>>>>> as 
>>>>>>> mentioned already, only you know what works for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Luke, I am bookmarking your gearing because that does sound perfect for the 
hills situation around here. Through practice I have learned my favorite 
gear is 34 (from riding my Atlantis) and that going down hills I am still 
spinning out in a 42 on my Platypus. That 22 sounds like a lovely gear to 
approach a hill in. You may see me try that out! I'm waiting until closer 
to build time to make the final decision... but more and more I am feeling 
pulled in the triple direction!

Sarah

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 10:06:09 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I live in the Bay Area (San Francisco) and my daily commute has around 
> 2,500 feet in elevation gain with weekend rides often having double that. I 
> really, really like 46-34-22 on my Atlantis with an 11-34 8s in the back. I 
> just switched to a Rapid Rise rd and that’s been a treat when going from 
> descent to climb to descent.
>
> A lot of great input and advice in here along with some very strong 
> opinions. Love it!
>
> Luke in SF who works at Merry Sales and loves bikes more than he should
>
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:09:46 AM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bill, 
>>
>> This makes me wonder if there's a Rohloff-equipped bike in your stable! 
>>  ;) 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 10:48:53 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Therese is a delightful person and a very good rider.  I used to run 
>>> across her a lot in the East Bay and at SFR events, but I don't think our 
>>> paths have crossed lately.  
>>>
>>> She's also a fair bit more enlightened about gearing than the filmmaker. 
>>>  Her set up isn't perfect, but it's close (IMHO).  
>>>
>>> The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
>>> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
>>> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
>>> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
>>> will be on a derailleurless bike.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2-hdvGWjU_channel=Henrywildeberry
>>>>
>>>> I found a youtube video that is exactly how I want to ride 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:04:42 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate 
>>>>> all the help. Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:01:05 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
>>>>>>> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
>>>>>>> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs 
>>>>>>> ride 
>>>>>>> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
>>>>>>> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
>>>>>>> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. 
>>>>>>> On 
>>>>>>> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% 
>>>>>>> grade, 
>>>>>>> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
>>>>>>> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you 
>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local 
>>>>>>>> list members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding 
>>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>>> these roads.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, 
>>>>>>>> with what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for 
>>>>>>>> dirt), and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 
>>>>>>>> or 
>>>>>>>> even a 28 may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  
>>>>>>>> But as 
>>>>>>>> mentioned already, only you know what works for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate 
community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point! 

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment since 
> she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which was the 
> Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  Please let 
> her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun helping her 
> accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any questions.  
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Tim -
>>
>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  So 
>>> yeah they're basically the same.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear rack, 
>>> fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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[RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

[Sarah Carlson]

Can I put in a plug for the Platypus? I've been riding mine on group rides 
and it's been a delight. The bike is gorgeous. The price took away my 
breath one time when I made the payment, but I get a little flutter every 
time I see my bike, and the joy I feel when I ride it takes away any memory 
I had of the monetary cost. 

Sarah

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:40:48 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is another related thread about this:
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ho2ri9Tm6jQ/m/mVKYtqAIAQAJ
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 4:52:04 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I used the word perhaps a LOT of times there
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:51:39 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For the type of riding you describe either will work. Since it is for 
>>> her she should go with whichever speaks to her more. Perhaps a higher price 
>>> will make her treat it more delicately and perhaps ride it less OR perhaps 
>>> because the Platy is fancier she will wan to ride it much more. Either way 
>>> there is no wrong answer as far as quality of product or ride.
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Sean, I can't respond fully to your question --  I've not ridden a 
 Clem. I have seen one up close and personal though. RBW describes the Clem 
 as MTB-ish, and the example I saw was an exceptional build; big RH 
 knobbies 
 and polished Paul brakes and levers (I want one just like it!!!).

 I find my Platypus to be exactly as Rivendell describes it. Back to 
 your question -- 
 I don't know your wife, but here's the thing with the Platypus, if you 
 think she would appreciate a bicycle that she falls in love with all over 
 again every time she rides it, then go with the Platypus!

 Steve in Asheville, NC



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 On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 5:29:59 PM UTC-5 SeanMac wrote:

> Hi everyone.  Happy New Year!
>
> I am the proud owner of a grey Cheviot.  One of the reasons that I 
> purchased that bike was to ride on bike trails near me (such as the Erie 
> Canal Trail) with my wife.  She and I have done a bit of riding together. 
>  
> However, as I am a more experienced cyclists, she sometimes gets 
> frustrated 
> with me.  Happily, riding my Cheviot has helped me to slow down and enjoy 
> the ride with her.
>
> My wife has been riding a Trek hybrid bike that is at least 30 years 
> old.  I would love for her to get something new for our rides together.  
> She is on-board with this idea (much to my delight).  A new Rivendell 
> seems 
> to be just the ticket to more quality bike time - for her alone and for 
> us 
> together.  The question, of course, is which model would be the best 
> choice.
>
> Given that I have a Cheviot, a Platypus for her was my first 
> suggestion.  I sense that it rides pretty similarly to my Cheviot - 
> plush, 
> stable and relatively quick once it gets going.  However, my wife was a 
> bit 
> surprised by the price tag of the Platty, and began to focus on the Clem. 
>  
> When she asked why the Clem was less expensive I spoke about the lugs, 
> but 
> didn't know what else really differentiated the two bikes.  This is why I 
> am reaching out to the group.
>
> I would be grateful if folks on the list who are familiar with both 
> the Clem and Platypus would provide some additional insight into the 
> differences between the two models.  I think that either bike would meet 
> my 
> wife's needs.  However, thoughts on which would best meet those needs are 
> much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>


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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day, NBD!

[Sarah Carlson]

What a wonderful and sparkley way to kick off the New Year! Can't wait to 
hear about the rides this bike embarks on in it's next chapter!

Sarah

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Leah: It's a wonderful bike whose journey I've followed for years, it 
> feels like an old friend arrived at my doorstep. Thanks so much!
>
> Kim: It's a 52, it just looks huge in the photos with 42mm tires. But it's 
> a loong 52, I've owned shorter recumbents! 
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:27:53 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Congratulations Joe on your NBD on New Year's Day !  
>>
>> The RBW Blue is such a fantastic color. She is a beauty !  I am sure that 
>> you are, if not already have fallen in love with it. Every time I walk by 
>> mine here in my home,  a 52cm Blue Clem, I admire it every time. I am very 
>> delighted to own one. 
>>
>> What size is it ?  59cm ? ..or ?
>>
>> I am certain that you will find it a real fun bike on and off road.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to your periodical ride reports in and around Clear 
>> Lake.
>>
>> Long my you ride with smiles and joy in your heart.
>>
>> All my best,
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 9:03:48 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Surprise! And happy NBD. You really know how to ring in the new year. 
>>> From NYC, to Las Vegas, to Michigan and now to California this bike has 
>>> lived quite a life and doesn’t look any worse for the wear, I’d say.
>>>
>>> Enjoy and put some marks on that thing.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:40:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Remember Leah's lovely shimmery blue Clem L? Now it's MY lovely 
 shimmery blue Clem L! This is pre-racked and bagged and all that (and 
 there's an errant black brake cable cuz I'm waiting for a long gray one) 
 but I wanted to show off my new-to-me bike. It's wonderful, I love it 

 Joe Bernard
 Lake County CA

 [image: Screenshot_20240101_203513.jpg][image: 
 Screenshot_20240101_203538.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Sarah Carlson]

Really gorgeous bike Roberta! I can look at those heart lugs all day, and 
those mud flaps. I love how you have combined function with all those 
little touches that bring day to day joy. And it fits on Amtrak and public 
transportation!

Sarah

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> What’s old is new:  circa 2010 Betty Foy!
>
> Let me explain why this and not a custom I was hoping for.
>
> For the past nearly three years, I’ve been “next up” on Rivendell’s list 
> for a custom retirement bike, something I’ve wanted since I found Rivendell 
> in 2017.  I wanted something 1) like my 55cm Platypus, but shorter (I 
> didn’t say short, just short-*er*) specifically so I could take it on the 
> city bus bike rack and Amtrak, that 2) fits and rides like my 2019 54.5 
> Homer.
>
> During one of our many conversations, the ever so patient Vince suggested 
> a Betty Foy.  When I saw one posted on RBW’s Craigslist thread, I drove 
> to Brooklyn, test rode and brought it home, and thanked the RBW poster.  I 
> think this bike is from the first batch of Betty’s because only one heart 
> lug was (notice the past tense) filled in and the seat tube is 58cm.  The 
> color is not robin’s egg blue, but more of a sage/teal, which I like more.
>
> It’s about as close to a custom as I think Grant would have built for 
> me—650b wheels, just under the Amtrak length limit by ½”, fits on our city 
> bus bike racks, rides great and no toe overlap.  Perhaps not a cushy as 
> my Platypus with its extra-long wheelbase, but if I’m on my Betty, I have 
> more options for mass transportation.  The only thing I wish it had was 
> an additional water bottle mount, but I remedied that with a water bottle 
> bag on the handlebar, big enough to hold a 40 oz Kleen Kanteen.
>
> 1X9 Drive train (38T Wolf Tooth in front with Microshift Aventex in back), 
> Albatross handlebar, brakes (Tektro R553)  and Gravel King Slick tires 
> are as I purchased the bike.
>
> I added “extras”—SKS fenders with custom mud flaps (made by a little girl 
> whose Dad is on the iBob board 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/M_iDE82EhkI/m/FZG8bZzMAQAJ ), 
> red Ergon grips and Newbaum’s tape for pop of color, German mirrors, 
> Greenfield kickstand, 32 spoke Velocity A23 rims with tubeless setup, and 
> Dyno lighting SP hub with Edulux light on front and B Topline Plus light 
> in the back.  Bitex hub in the rear. Axiom rack.  Brooks B68 saddle in 
> honey, but I might try the newly re-issued B72 albeit in brown.
>
> Keystone Bike https://keystone.bike/ did amazing work with the extras, 
> and featured the bike on their IG page a few weeks ago. 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/C0WqS6_OzqA/?img_index=1 .   If you’re ever 
> in Philadelphia, I highly recommend a stop at their shop.  They 
> understand Rivendells (and even own a few).
>
> I did do one way-over-the-top (for me, at least) item—I had all the hearts 
> paint matched and filled by a meticulous and true professional—Lek, 
> https://www.instagram.com/lekerleks/ , who also builds Albacore 
> handlebars available at https://hopecyclery.com/ .  My favorite heart is 
> the one on the back side of the seat tube—an “Easter egg” that I see every 
> time I use my basket, which is every ride.  I asked him to fill in the 
> hearts and he returned the bike saying “I just did every open lug window I 
> saw—hearts, circles and dots.”  WOW!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Sarah Carlson]

Roberta, Leah has been working on me about Apple Fitness too. I think she 
should be getting commissions from Rivendell AND Apple fitness! I know 
strength training is the missing piece... maybe it's time we sign up all 
together... RiveSister fitness

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I do. I do bug her. We have Marco Polo so we video message every day, so 
> I’ve had plenty of chances. She is a long-suffering woman, is Roberta. I 
> have a 103 week workout streak on Apple Fitness and maybe I just really 
> want someone else to be on it so I can say, “Ugh, did you do that upper 
> body workout today? Greg nearly killed me.” And then they would tell me 
> what they did, and so on and so forth. 
>
> There are new workouts every week and I get so excited on Monday when they 
> drop and I can see what I’ll be doing for the week…
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I can ride in the winter, but choose to go only if 35 - 40 degrees or 
> warmer and the sun is shining.  Basically, that means going from commuting 
> every day to riding on most weekends, only.
>
> Walking, hiking and I'll be starting weight lifting soon.  I might get 
> back into yoga.  I did love that.
>
> I did an internet session with Tim on LytYoga a couple of years ago and 
> thought it was terrific!  I like that they train their teachers and the 
> developer of the system is a PT.  There are so many yoga "teachers" that 
> just shout out the next pose and don't help at all.  When my local hatha 
> yoga studio, with trained and knowledgeable teachers, closed, I stopped.  
> My body has been unhappy since.
>
> Leah has been bugging me to sign up for Apple fitness.  Like her and 
> Bubba, I like the "tell me what to do and I'll do it" process.  Here in 
> Philadelphia Orange Theory gets fantastic reviews.  They are a bit too far 
> away for me, though.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:07:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> A good friend once said: 'If it doesn't end in a cord of wood or a barn 
>> full of hay, it ain't exercise!' I would add a cleared driveway. Ha!
>>
>> Winter around here brings lots of snow and the following exercise: 
>> clearing a 450m driveway (Thank you Honda!), splitting wood (Thank you 
>> Blaze King!), skiing (downhill, cross-country, touring), snowshoeing, and 
>> yoga. And, my lovely wife loves to bake, so basically all this keeps my 
>> muscles from atrophying and my waistline at a net-zero.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well I live among hills, lots of hills, nothing but hills ! So I go 
>>> walky walky, on the roads and through the forest, up and down and all 
>>> around. I live outside the city so this small subdivision of homes has 
>>> always been closer to rural than any semblance of an organized 
>>> neighborhood. It's a free for all in that people can do most anything with 
>>> their land. Basically the woods are my back yard so in winter I can venture 
>>> in where in summer it's a jungle. Of course I'm riding then, so it works 
>>> out perfectly as in fall all that jungle tumbles down. I generally follow 
>>> animal trails, hey, they know where they're going ! On a topo map this 
>>> whole area looks like closely spaced spider veins, basically all feeding 
>>> the Ohio River, eventually. I like the serenity of the woods as it's just 
>>> me and wildlife, it's a nice change of pace from riding on the road, or 
>>> riding at all. I exert myself as needed to stay warm but no more, as 
>>> sweating the cold is no fun. I can stop wherever and whenever, rock hop 
>>> along the creeks, duck beneath or slide over the fallen trees. The terrain 
>>> is so varied, so wild, it's fun being able to be so creative as to where to 
>>> place your feet. Find a certain rhythm and I feel like I'm just gliding 
>>> along.  My high spot is atop a hill where there is a very tall AEP Power 
>>> company tower. I can see forever up there, all the layers of the hills and 
>>> valleys. When we have winter snow squalls come in from the NW, it's 
>>> especially awesome as you see the various small pockets of snow falling off 
>>> in the distance, often while the Sun is shinning. They're like little snow 
>>> filled clouds that touch the ground. Five minutes layer I''m in a snow 
>>> globe. Hah !  Then it's gone, with more on the way. Those are some of the 
>>> most wonderful walks of all. Anytime its snows is magic, I can't explain 
>>> why, it just is. 
>>>
>>> I don't consider myself an athlete at all, hah hah. I'm more like 
>>> someone who does athletic things because I love doing them in the way I do 
>>> them. I love bike riding for the way I can ride it, as walking for the way 
>>> I can walk. It's everything, the only thing ! 
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:22:10 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I bend an elbow and walk 

Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Bill, I have been trying to get my friend to try Mt. Diablo with me and we 
got an accidental chance to on a group ride a few weeks ago. It was 
advertised as a flat 28 mile ride but the leader somehow got lost and took 
us up Mt. Diablo. (The group turned around and my friend and I continued 
until I realized I would be late for my hair appointment if we went all the 
way up). It was actually that ride that inspired me to build a bike with a 
better gear range for hills. So maybe a Summit goal is in order!

I used to ride up it in High School... but I'm finding a lot of rides feel 
different now. 

Sarah

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Therese is a delightful person and a very good rider.  I used to run 
> across her a lot in the East Bay and at SFR events, but I don't think our 
> paths have crossed lately.  
>
> She's also a fair bit more enlightened about gearing than the filmmaker. 
>  Her set up isn't perfect, but it's close (IMHO).  
>
> The film makes me want to set a Diablo goal for 2024.  I've summited 
> Diablo maybe 10 times, but I want to do multiple summits this year.  I'm 
> going to start with 5 as my goal, with the extra challenge that I want to 
> do it on 5 different bikes in my stable.  If I manage that, then summit #6 
> will be on a derailleurless bike.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2-hdvGWjU_channel=Henrywildeberry
>>
>> I found a youtube video that is exactly how I want to ride.... 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:04:42 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:
>>
>>> All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate 
>>> all the help. Thank you!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:01:05 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
>>>>> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
>>>>> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs 
>>>>> ride 
>>>>> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
>>>>> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
>>>>> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. On 
>>>>> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% grade, 
>>>>> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
>>>>> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in the 
>>>>> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you can 
>>>>> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local 
>>>>>> list members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding on 
>>>>>> these roads.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, 
>>>>>> with what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for 
>>>>>> dirt), and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or 
>>>>>> even a 28 may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But 
>>>>>> as 
>>>>>> mentioned already, only you know what works for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2-hdvGWjU_channel=Henrywildeberry

I found a youtube video that is exactly how I want to ride 

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:04:42 AM UTC-8 Sarah Carlson wrote:

> All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate all 
> the help. Thank you!
>
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:01:05 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
>>> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
>>> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs ride 
>>> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
>>> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
>>> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. On 
>>> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% grade, 
>>> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
>>> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in the 
>>> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you can 
>>> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local 
>>>> list members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding on 
>>>> these roads.  
>>>>
>>>> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, with 
>>>> what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for dirt), 
>>>> and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or even a 28 
>>>> may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But as mentioned 
>>>> already, only you know what works for you.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: 90-year-old cyclist: remarkable video

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you Patrick, that was a wonderful way to start this morning!

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 5:25:54 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> MARVELOUS!!!  Thank you Patrick for sharing this.
>
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 5:59:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> That was wonderful.
>>
>> If  you move the cursor to the progress bar below the video but not stop, 
>> rewind or advance the frame , becomes a profile such as a ride route. Very 
>> subtle!
>>
>> That imagery of progress in a person's biography projected as the profile 
>> of a route is extremely communicative, I got it immediately
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 4:03:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you who don't read BSNYC: https://youtu.be/tgUC0zyu4p0
>>>
>>> 90 "at the end of the year" and he still does 400-600 km per month.
>>>
>>> Remarkable! Vigorous in mind and soul as well as in body. I suppose that 
>>> his history counts for a lot in this: born into poverty in 1933, working 
>>> from age 16 or so, growing up and living his professional life during "les 
>>> trentes glorieuses" in what seems to be a non-mega-urban setting close to 
>>> the countryside and with lovely cycling routes, close lifelong family ties.
>>>
>>> At about 10:05: "at 75 I could still climb the Tourmalet and the 
>>> Galabier ..."
>>>
>>> *And* he does this without electric assist, *and* gets by with 
>>> (apparently) Campy single pivots despite thoughts about falling at his 
>>> advanced age.
>>>
>>> Wonderful video. Cross posting because it might well interest those who 
>>> don't belong to both lists.
>>>
>>> "My youth is renewed like the eagle's."
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>>> services
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>>
>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>>
>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day X2

[Sarah Carlson]

Tim, that is exciting news! And please post pictures because we need more 
men on mixtes! Every time I find one I show my fiance and say, "see, this 
is a great men's bike!" And he looks at me side eyed. Which makes me want a 
"Men on Mixtes Calendar" Maybe it's a project for next year. 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:04:01 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Hello Riv Bunch, 
>
> My first Riv was a 2TT Sam Hilborne that I purchased in 2017. I had an 
> Appaloosa that I sold just over a year ago. I've regretted selling my Joe 
> ever since. I even saw my old 2TT silver Appaloosa at this years Nutmeg 
> Nor'Easter. I thought about offering to buy it back but I never did ask the 
> new owner. I doubt he would have sold it back to me anyway. The only 
> consolation is that the new owner told me that he loves the bike and rides 
> it nearly every day. 
>
> While at the NNE I saw so many cool Riv's. I was talking to fellow Riv 
> Bunch member Justin Kennedy about his Platypus. My UBU (unresonable bike 
> urge) has been in high gear ever since. 
>
> I will soon become a proud Man on a Mixte and my 60cm Sergio Green 
> complete will be on the way to me very soon. I'm going to change the bars 
> right away to Billie's and will build a nicer wheelset with a Dyno hub 
> before getting it on the road. I figured if Leah can own 3 Platypus's its 
> got to be a good bike! I'm exciting for it's arrival and can't wait to ride 
> it. 
>
> The second inbound Riv is a A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I'm going to build 
> the Homer up as a drop bar road bike keeping it rackless and light as 
> possible. I am thinking about building it as a retro mod with downtube 
> shifter and some older parts. I still need to decide on that. Anyway I 
> thought I'd share the exciting news with fellow bike nerds. The Sam, Platy 
> and AHH will give me a nice collection.  I am feeling very fortunate to be 
> able to add two new bikes to my collection. N+2!
>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day

[Sarah Carlson]

Please keep us posted with pictures as your bike comes together. I agree 
with Leah that planning the bike is part of the fun. Having people to 
bounce ideas off of has been such a fun way for me to consider new things. 
I've always been an Albatross/Billie bar person and am about to try Choco 
bars for the first time based on suggestions. This group is full of 
experienced people with lost of great ideas. Congratulations on your bike!

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 7:23:37 PM UTC-8 Linda G wrote:

> I just unpacked my 50 cm Sergio green Platypus. Gorgeous frame. I love the 
> color and am already planning my overall color scheme. So far: Honey Brooks 
> B67-S, Velo Orange basket weave grips to match the saddle, cables probably 
> gray, and olive Saddlesack XS whenever they are made again. No racks to 
> start. Not flashy, pretty classic!
>
> Awhile back someone started a thread on here about what model bike we 
> would like Rivendell to make. I said a mixte like the Cheviot though with V 
> brakes in a nice color green. I think someone at Riv must have read my 
> entry.
>
> Next I need to take all the parts off my Soma Grand Randonneur and move 
> them over. I decided I'm just not a low trail person. Luckily it is 650B so 
> the wheels will fit and everything else should too. I will need new 
> handlebars and maybe a shorter stem.
>
> Linda
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Sarah Carlson]

Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on its 
way to you!

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
> other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
> frame... 樂
>
> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your wife’s 
>> in time! 
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>
>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to put 
>> my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>>
>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
>>> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
>>> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels to 
>>> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic coating 
>>> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
>>> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it will 
>>> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 (caliper 
>>> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
>>> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
 Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
 green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 

 (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the taste 
 of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was born 
 there and I love to visit!)

 S.

 On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
 wrote:

> Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during 
> the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats are 
> in 
> those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.
>
> Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
>
> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times 
> that 
> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of 
> two 
> different purples. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Sarah Carlson]

Or a picture of the bike in a small pretty box she can open... That would 
be a really fun way to learn you are getting a Platypus... Can you talk to 
my husband please??!

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:44:45 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to put 
> my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
>> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
>> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels to 
>> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic coating 
>> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
>> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it will 
>> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 (caliper 
>> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
>> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>>
>>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the taste of 
>>> a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was born there 
>>> and I love to visit!)
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  wrote:
>>>
 Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during the 
 season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats are in 
 those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.

 Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
 Berkeley, CA

 On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:


 I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
 Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times 
 that 
 a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
 her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Sarah Carlson]

Your Atlantis is living life right !

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis along 
> the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At one point 
> I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a photo, 
> and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so functional, the 
> Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is that much more 
> stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to its majestic 
> hues.[image: 
> IMG_2280.jpeg] 
> Cheers, John
>
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how 
>> it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
>> yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
>> little less precious everyday 
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An absolutely perfect bike!
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and 
>>> definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
>>> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
>>> but I love it.
>>>
>>> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to 
>>> the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
>>> something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
 climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and 
 I 
 kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
 bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
 in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
 would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
 It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
 bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not 
 be marred – ever – *feeling. 

 Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
 looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
 appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
 to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
 anywhere truly safe???

 Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or 
 ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard 
 down 
 a bit. The beauty will remain.




 On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:

 I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 
 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a 
 project. The Bridgestone is such a great bike
 I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. 
 But then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
 On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a 
> few years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, 
> unfancy 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. 
> Basket 
> in the front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. 
> I 
> commute most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, 
> exposing 
> the bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and 
> I've grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my 
> daily 
> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
> attention. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Sarah Carlson]

Paint and Custom fender color! You may be even outdoing your RivSisters 
this time! I am so looking forward to your reveal day! (And also you may 
have given at least some of us new ideas about where we can splash color on 
our bikes... I learned something today)

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
> for paint
> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to let 
> me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
> excited about that.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
>>> my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
>>> been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
>>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them 
>>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
 your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
 promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
> and 
> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
> then 
> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
> supposed 
> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>
> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
> not 
> be red. 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
>>> choose something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
 Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
 paid 
 them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
 eager to 
 see it painted, and built up.  

 On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, 
 and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant 
 visit 
 all around.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> John
>
> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
> (622-35).  
> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 
> (622-38).  
>
> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use 
> fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>
> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are 
> super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion 
> is that 
> they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and 
> fork 
> with those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd 
> trust 
> to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>
> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's 
> queue is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and 
> Nobilettes.  I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope 
> he is 
> charging what he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the 
> price 
> I've 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[Sarah Carlson]

Minh, I love both. I have albatross on my more compact bike, but I sized up 
on my Platypus and got Billie's and it feels so spacious. People say there 
are more hand position options, but I realized I never change positions, 
but I do like to put stuff all over my handlebars so there is more space 
for that.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 11:44:41 AM UTC-8 Minh wrote:

> i"m down to a single big bike and only ride albatross but have been very 
> tempted by the billie.   this discussion always reminds me of this t-shirt 
> from blue lug. 
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/blue-lug-nitto-handlebar-t-shirt-white.html
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 9:44:18 AM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:
>
>> I've been riding with the Choco-Moose handlebar for years and the "narrow 
>> 55cm" width has been fine for on road and off. Even though in the back of 
>> my mind, the general cycling community has been pushing wider handlebars. 
>> This moose style handlebar has a fixed rise, reach, width and downward tilt 
>> of the bars which is perfect for me. It does need a longish top tube to 
>> work best.
>>
>> On Monday, 4 December 2023 at 17:48:44 UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to all for the great input on different bars and their 
>>> applications. 
>>>
>>> When I first tried Albatross bars on my Bleriot, I could not get 
>>> comfortable with them. Fifteen years later the Albatross bars are my 
>>> favorite. I use them on a 58cm LHT. 
>>>
>>> I recently experienced shoulder pain when I tried (much) wider upright 
>>> bars. I swam long distances for decades and am now careful with my worn 
>>> shoulders. Somewhere I read that it's important to keep the arms 'in the 
>>> box' (i.e. within the width of the box established by the shoulders) during 
>>> exercise. It seems to work very well with this scrawny six-foot-tall 
>>> person. I'm fairly upright on the LHT, with the bars about 2.5" above the 
>>> B68 saddle. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious to try some of the narrower Toscos sometime. The way the 
>>> bars can be tilted so that the grips tilt toward the downtube is 
>>> intriguing. No rush, but someday. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:02:28 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 If you were to overlay Toscos (the 650mm version) over top of some 
 Orthos like that, you would find them nearly the same in just about every 
 way... for anyone pining for some unobtainable Ortho bars.

 On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:46 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I am late to this party & I may not be much help but… I’ve been 
> running Bosco bars on my two bikes - a Clem & a Gus. They are pretty much 
> perfect. Except that the Gus begs to be ridden harder on singletrack than 
> I 
> was comfortable with. After much deliberation I took a flyer & installed 
> a 
> “Albacore” handlebar from Hope Cyclery. It’s wide @ 785. It has a forward 
> sweep before coming back & a very comfortable & confidence inspiring 
> 50-60 
> degrees. It necessitated ditching my 90mm stem for a 35mm one. These 
> changes transformed the Gus. The part of this that might apply to your 
> situation; wide bars feel great on the trails, experimentation can be fun 
> & 
> rewarding.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2023, at 1:35 PM, Chris K  wrote:
>
> J, question about your mothbars - do you find yourself ever using 
> other hand positions?
>
> Intrigued by this bar but it looks like holding on anywhere but the 
> ends would be awkward with such a wide bar.
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:20:31 PM UTC-6 J wrote:
>
>> I've always had problems with swept back bars, tried many over the 
>> years from Riv, Velo O, Soma and the Albatross bar lasted the longest (6 
>> months?) on any bike but they were never really comfortable either. 
>> Everything always felt too narrow for my shoulder width and gave me neck 
>> pain. I had an opportunity to try the Tumbleweed Persuader bars on my 
>> hardtail, and even though the back sweep threw the fit off it still got 
>> my 
>> gears turning about wider swoopy bars. I widened some Albatross bars in 
>> a 
>> vice and really felt like I was getting somewhere but started having 
>> saddle 
>> comfort issues from riding upright again, an issue I've always had. Last 
>> year I got to try Ron's Ortho bars on his Atlantis and they felt 
>> ridiculous 
>> in the moment, but a day later I was still thinking about them. They'd 
>> been 
>> sold out for so long I gave up and sourced some Magic Components 
>> Mothbars, 
>> and they've been great! They turned an old aluminum mtb I wasn't riding 
>> into a bike I'd happily take for a casual ride under 30 miles. 
>>
>> [image: 2xzuKpol[1].jpg]
>> [image: JMRTj5Ql[1].jpg]
>> [image: 6ySLdfsl[1].jpg]
>> [image: TPvZVebl[1].jpg]
>>
>> On 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Sarah Carlson]

Okay, still learning the bike terms... but what are lawyer lips? Because 
the image that comes to mind is someone who has indulged in too much botox 
and fillers and I am sure that is not what we are talking about here...

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:48:57 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Bill,
>
> The frame and fork look great! Love being able to see the craftmanship of 
> the lugs and welds with out the paint in the way. It should be wonderful to 
> ride once it's done. As for "lawyer lips", I have to agree that they are 
> not my favorite. Lately my wife and I have been getting out for rides on 
> our 33 year old, custom built Rodriguez tandem, so pre-LL fork drop outs. 
> Just makes it so much easier to remove and install the front wheel. Hard to 
> believe that was the standard for so many years (I know why they are there, 
> no need for anyone to lecture the benefits of them).
>
> JohnS
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 3:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> It's threadless.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 12:31:27 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> Damn, Bill! That's going to be a dream bike. Maybe you've already 
>>> covered this and I missed it, but I'm curious whether you went with a  
>>> threaded or threadless fork?
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>> Seattle
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 8:06:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Here is the Flickr album where I will post my photos.  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/

 There are several shots of the raw frame set in there now.  

 BL in EC

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects 
> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
> and 
> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
> them 
> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>>> and 
>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>>> then 
>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>>> supposed 
>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>>
>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
>>> at 
>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>>> not 
>>> be red. 
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
 wrote:

> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
> choose something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>> I paid 
>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
>> eager to 
>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>
>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
>> pleasant visit all around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
>>> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
>>> (622-35).  
>>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 
>>> (622-38).  
>>>
>>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use 
>>> fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Sarah Carlson]

I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the big 
reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first conversation 
about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because that's how we 
are. Your RivSisters are waiting!

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In my 
> convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've been 
> working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and since 
> this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them first 
> shot at the actual reveal.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that 
>>> I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, and I 
>>> appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a premier 
>>> rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and then hard 
>>> anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's supposed to 
>>> be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>>
>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full build 
>>> at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 19.99lbs 
>>> with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will not be red. 
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
> choose something else?
>
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
>> paid 
>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager 
>> to 
>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>
>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, 
>> and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant 
>> visit 
>> all around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  
>>> Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks 
>>> I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>>>
>>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use 
>>> fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>>>
>>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are 
>>> super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is 
>>> that 
>>> they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and 
>>> fork 
>>> with those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd 
>>> trust 
>>> to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>>>
>>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue 
>>> is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and 
>>> Nobilettes.  I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he 
>>> is 
>>> charging what he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the 
>>> price 
>>> I've paid.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Bill

 The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with 
 it.  The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well 
 worth 
 the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   
 I'd 
 vote for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color 
 looks 
 best.

 4 questions
 What size tire will you use??
 Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you 
 planning on??
 What brakes do you plan on using??
 What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about 
 closing the custom order book for a time and then starting again 
 something 
 like 1 year later

 John 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Sarah Carlson]

I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on your 
new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I promise 
you all your RivSisters want to know...) 

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that 
> I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, and I 
> appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a premier 
> rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and then hard 
> anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's supposed to 
> be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>
> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full build at 
> 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 19.99lbs 
> with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will not be red. 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or choose 
>>> something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
 Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid 
 them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to 
 see it painted, and built up.  

 On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and 
 a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
 around.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> John
>
> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  
> Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks 
> I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>
> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  
> I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>
> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that 
> they 
> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>
> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging 
> what 
> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with 
>> it.  The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth 
>> the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd 
>> vote for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks 
>> best.
>>
>> 4 questions
>> What size tire will you use??
>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning 
>> on??
>> What brakes do you plan on using??
>> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about 
>> closing the custom order book for a time and then starting again 
>> something 
>> like 1 year later
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
>>> Rivendell Custom
>>>
>>> Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
>>> graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
>>> Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified 
>>> a 
>>> bunch of details.  They included:
>>>
>>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
>>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are 
>>> no-cost options)
>>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be 
>>> an upcharge)
>>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork 
>>> blades a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not 
>>> change 
>>> the A-C fork length
>>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

All these responses have given me so much to think about, I appreciate all 
the help. Thank you!

On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:01:05 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My low on a 650B bike in Lake County, CA., is 26 x 50. It's useful! 
>
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:25:54 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah 
>> lives). Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) 
>> frequently drop their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs ride 
>> as a matter of course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, 
>> especially if you're carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and 
>> still couldn't climb anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. On 
>> my single bike I have a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% grade, 
>> which required shifting my weight between the rear and front wheels in 
>> order to keep both wheels on the ground while grinding away. Here in the 
>> greater San Francisco Bay Area, your bike can never be too light, you can 
>> never be too wealthy, and you can never have gears too low!
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:
>>
>>> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local list 
>>> members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding on these 
>>> roads.  
>>>
>>> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, with 
>>> what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for dirt), 
>>> and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or even a 28 
>>> may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But as mentioned 
>>> already, only you know what works for you.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

>>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and 
>>>>> Mama bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for 
>>>>> everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
>>>>>> than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
>>>>>> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
>>>>>> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
>>>>>> medium and small cogs and back. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those 
>>>>>> redundant gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric 
>>>>>> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
>>>>>>> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
>>>>>>> thing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>>>>>>>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>>>>>>>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how 
>>>>>>>> high 
>>>>>>>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>>>>>>>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>>>>>>>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>>>>>>>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle 
>>>>>>>> ring 
>>>>>>>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>>>>>>>> more 
>>>>>>>> rings up there. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>>>>>>>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 
>>>>>>>> 100 
>>>>>>>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll 
>>>>>>>> want 
>>>>>>>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 
>>>>>>>> 24-25 
>>>>>>>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the 
>>>>>>>> rings 
>>>>>>>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I 
>>>>>>>> can run 
>>>>>>>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>>>>>>>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>>>>>>>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>>>>>>>> situations 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get 
>>>>>>>>> more range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 
>>>>>>>>> 'disruptive' 
>>>>>>>>> if you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that 
>>>>>>>>> when 
&

Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told 
me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since 
I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see 
how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x 
36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel 
my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>
> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern than 
>>> a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>>>
>>> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
>>> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
>>> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
>>> medium and small cogs and back. 
>>>
>>> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
>>> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>>>
>>> Eric 
>>> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
>>>> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
>>>> thing?
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>>>>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to 
>>>>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>>>>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high 
>>>>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>>>>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>>>>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>>>>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>>>>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>>>>> more 
>>>>> rings up there. 
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>>>>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 
>>>>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
>>>>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 
>>>>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
>>>>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
>>>>> run 
>>>>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>>>>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>>>>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>>>>> situations 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>>>>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' 
>>>>>> if 
>>>>>> 

Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern than a 
> real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>
> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
> medium and small cogs and back. 
>
> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>
> Eric 
> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm telling 
>> myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible thing?
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, which is 
>>> something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to their own 
>>> practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a drivetrain by 
>>> identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high you want your 
>>> high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly combination to get 
>>> there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that you'll find that you 
>>> need to drop into the small ring for every hill, whereas if you have a 
>>> triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring most of the time and save 
>>> a lot of front shifts, even though you have more rings up there. 
>>>
>>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - above 
>>> that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 tops. On 
>>> the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want something in 
>>> the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 inches is 
>>> good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings such that I 
>>> truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can run a big ring 
>>> on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 11-34 is a 
>>> great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some smaller steps on 
>>> the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most situations 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
>>>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
>>>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the 
>>>> rear 
>>>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>>>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... 
>>>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>>>
>>>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 
>>>> 50x34 combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it 
>>>> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now, 
>>>> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51% 
>>>> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22, 
>>>> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill, 
>>>> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear, 
>>>> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with 
>>>> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. 
>>>> For 
>>>> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It 
>>>> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm 
>>>> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to 
>>>> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my 
>>>> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a

Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm telling 
myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible thing?

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, which is 
> something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to their own 
> practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a drivetrain by 
> identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high you want your 
> high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly combination to get 
> there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that you'll find that you 
> need to drop into the small ring for every hill, whereas if you have a 
> triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring most of the time and save 
> a lot of front shifts, even though you have more rings up there. 
>
> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - above 
> that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 tops. On 
> the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want something in 
> the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 inches is 
> good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings such that I 
> truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can run a big ring 
> on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 11-34 is a 
> great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some smaller steps on 
> the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most situations 
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear 
>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>
>>
>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... 
>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>
>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 50x34 
>> combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it 
>> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now, 
>> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51% 
>> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22, 
>> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill, 
>> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear, 
>> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with 
>> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. For 
>> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It 
>> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm 
>> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to 
>> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my 
>> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a 46% 
>> jump which is pretty high.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Bike nerd input is heartily welcomed. Gearing has been a challenge for me 
to understand but from spending hours reading and trying things out I'm 
starting to understand... thanks to other bike nerds!

The outcome is I will likely be giving a triple a try. The 34 is my 
favorite chain ring to live in, but I long for the higher and lower gearing 
when I don't have them. And somehow my brain gets the function of the 
triple more than trying to understand all the combinations possible with 
the cassette, and trying to comprehend "gearing math."

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear 
> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>
>
> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... apologies 
> in advance if this is too much.
>
> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 50x34 
> combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it 
> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now, 
> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51% 
> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22, 
> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill, 
> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear, 
> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with 
> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. For 
> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It 
> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm 
> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to 
> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my 
> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a 46% 
> jump which is pretty high.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes please!


On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 6:53:10 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Sarah. I was just reading this thread & realized I have a friend with a 
> Mimic saddle for sale. It apparently did not work for her but it’s brand 
> new & probably a deal? If that is of interest to you I can put you in touch 
> with her. I will see if I can attach a pic…
> [image: image0.png]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Sarah Carlson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
> ride!
>
> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! Although 
> I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike habit.
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>
>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>  
>>
>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>> zero. 
>>
>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>> going.
>>  
>>
>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>> bike can do. 
>>
>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>
>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>
>>
>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
>> the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes, those big ring jumps along with my learning how to shift effectively 
lead to some Ca- CHONK moments. Also I did index shifting for my rear 
gears, and friction in the front and I am learning how to do that 
gracefully. And I think I will be doing all index next time because it's 
less ca-chonky. But that probably has a lot to do with me and my riding. I 
am very happy on my 34 ring on the Atlantis and find myself longing for it 
on my Platypus rides. But what I'm hearing is if I get a triple I can have 
all my favorite options! 

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:34:51 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> This happens to me a lot, where I think I've got my bike quiver dialed 
> perfectly but then my needs change, and riding with new or different groups 
> is a prime example! It's also why my Hillborne keeps bouncing back between 
> drop bars and Albatross bars.  I think the Homer makes perfect sense! 
>
> I'm going to suggest the Choco bar and a long stem, such as 12cm.  The 
> Choco ought to be a great compromise between the Albastache and the 
> Albatross; the 'stache is very forward feeling, much like reaching for the 
> hoods on a drop bar, while the 'tross is very relaxed to the extent it is 
> hard to get a comfortable 'hunched' position when you're climbing or 
> pushing harder.  The Choco has a more natural feeling forward hand position 
> thanks to its bend and flatter profile, but still sweeps back far enough 
> that when you're cruising you don't need to have too much weight on your 
> hands and shoulders.  I would run it with bar end shifters so you get full 
> range of hand positions, and I really like the Paul levers because they are 
> thin enough that I can put my hands such than one or two fingers is in 
> front of the lever as well. 
>
> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear 
> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>
> Other than that, lightweight wheels (A23's are great!) and tires (ie 
> anything Rene Herse, but lots of other options too) and just avoiding 
> putting unnecessary accessories on the bike will keep it pretty light. I 
> love this whole plan! 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 08:29:37 UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
>> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
>> ride!
>>
>> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! 
>> Although I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike 
>> habit.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>>
>>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>>  
>>>
>>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>>> zero. 
>>>
>>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>>> going.
>>>  
>>>
>>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>>> bike can do. 
>>>
>>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>>
>>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one 
>>> of the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

So this is where I run into my issue... When I'm uphill I want an easier 
gear because I feel myself pushing hard and I feel it in my knees, and then 
on the long downhills I feel ungrounded spinning through nothing for a long 
time. So maybe a triple is the answer! On my Atlantis I find I'm riding on 
the 34 ring a lot and can do pretty much what I need to for most of my 
riding on that one... but I have not exactly been taking that one up lots 
of hills.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:

> On the topic of gearing, I recently went from a wide range double to a 
> triple and find it to be an improvement in one important way.  On the 
> double I had the total range I needed (46-30 front, 12-30 or so, generally 
> enough for most east bay hills).  But I found that I was cross-chaining on 
> the gears that I find myself in most often (those gears were mostly in the 
> big-big range or small-small range).  I converted to a triple with a 40 
> chaining up front (48-40-28), and my favorite cruising gears are now in the 
> middle of the sprocket (I’m guessing 16-20 range) on the 40t chainring. 
>
> All this to say, next time you’re on the hilly type of ride that you want 
> this new bike for (on your current bike), think about what gears you’re in 
> and how you might want to change them.  Do you want a lower low end? 
>  Higher high?  And what is the middle gear range that you find yourself 
> riding most of the time?  That could help make your decision on a triple 
> (which, as you know, is a little heavier and a little more complicated due 
> to having to shift across 3 rather than 2 chainrings, both in the mechansm 
> and in your riding habit).
>
> Greg
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:37 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
>> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
>> ride!
>>
>> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! 
>> Although I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike 
>> habit.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>>
>>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>>  
>>>
>>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>>> zero. 
>>>
>>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>>> going.
>>>  
>>>
>>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>>> bike can do. 
>>>
>>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>>
>>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one 
>>> of the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
ride!

My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! Although 
I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike habit.

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>
> A list full of enablers :-)
>  
>
> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
> zero. 
>
> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen over 
> the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
> going.
>  
>
>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
> bike can do. 
>
> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have you 
> considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some nice, 
> light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>
> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>
>
> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
> the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!

I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
zero. 
The hill situation is just most rides involve some sort of hills, probably 
not big deal hills to people who ride a lot. But to me and where I am 
starting fitness wise I just want to have the best chance possible to keep 
up. I know the engine is thing heaviest thing, but dang I have encountered 
my peri-menopause metabolism and things are just not the same there. So 
while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up bike can 
do. 

So I will also be experimenting with only a handlebar bag instead of a full 
on rack.

I'm trying to encourage one or two of the carbon fiber riders to get a Riv 
so we can try a different type of riding. I am mostly out with the carbon 
fiber/spandex folks who can fit everything into tiny jersey pockets. They 
have been kind and welcoming for the most part, with exception to the guy 
who led the first beginner ride I went on, looked at my bike and stated, "I 
hope I can ride slow enough..." 


On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:07:42 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:35:43 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>  I'm just trying to be more conscious about throwing racks and bags and 
> accidentally building every bike into a touring bike
>
>
> This made me laugh ... yeah, my bikes all look pretty much the same, 
> except for the Riv Road with the Campy Daytona group. But, that only looks 
> different because it doesn't have a handlebar bag LOL.
>
> I keep thinking I should mix it up, but I gave a Cheviot an honest try (at 
> least 5 different handlebars, including a Noodle!) and never liked it. 
> After crashing my West Coast Sam coming off Mt Lukens a few weeks ago, I've 
> been wondering if I need a Hillibike for that kind of riding :-) 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Also I had no idea a stem fit kit existed!

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:22:02 AM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Congrats - new bike day is always the best day.
>
> +1 on Toshi's suggestion for a triple crank up front (get a light-ish road 
> crank) with an 11-28 cassette in the rear - that's my setup on my long 
> distance bike. That gives a wider gear range than the wide-low and minimal 
> weight difference because the cassette is lighter. If you want to stick 
> with the double, IMO the wide-low will not give you enough top end. You'll 
> have to run something at least like the 42/28 (from Riv - but maybe wait 
> for the lighter duty Silver2?) or the 46/30 (the "adventure" or "gravel" 
> gearing available from many manufacturers) with a taller cassette (11-32 
> with most RDs, 11-36 on friction with most RDs, and up to 11-42 in friction 
> with some RDs and maybe Wolf's tooth goat link) in the back.
>
> I like using this gear ratio calculator: https://www.gear-calculator.com/  
> Since you have existing bikes, you can enter your existing gearing then 
> compare the gearing on your new bike. The gearing on your new bike should 
> at least match on the low end and exceed on the top end of your existing 
> bike. With a double that may not be possible so check what's the equivalent 
> gear combination that low end is on your old bike, go find a hill, and ride 
> it unloaded in that combo to see if that effort is something you can live 
> with.
>
>  Also +1 on Toshi's suggestion for nicer tires: Rene Herse or Grand Bois, 
> and I'd go for the standard casing for better flat protection.
>
> If you haven't already, build up a nice light-ish wheelset. For rims, I 
> suggest the Pacenti Brevet or Velocity A23 as good value options, with the 
> latter available as an Off Center drilling for rear wheels. More expensive 
> options exist of course. For hubs, the Shimano 105 is good enough but 
> you'll have to service them periodically (and I'm not a fan of the bluish 
> anodizing.) Rich built me an A23/A23OC wheelset with 105 hubs for my 
> Roadini and it performed wonderfully.
>
> Since you're going to be experimenting with bars and fit, I suggest 
> investing in a "stem fit kit": an inexpensive quill adapter; a 31.8-to-25.4 
> handle bar shim; and a handful of inexpensive 31.8 threadless stems. Use 
> Whatbars.com and your existing bike fit to get the range of stem lengths 
> that would work. The Origin8 adapter is under $20. The Kalloy stems are 
> about $25 each, and you can find them (and other value stems) used at a 
> local bike co-op, here, in iBob, and eBay. IMO worth the investment since 
> you're only going to know if the bar works for you if you go out on a 
> decently distanced bike ride, and threadless stems are easier to swap than 
> quill ones. When you're done, go get that nice Nitto stem for your AHH, 
> tape and shellac your handlebars, and put these in a box since, well, n+1.
>
> Since your riding position is changing, set aside budget for possibly a 
> new, narrower saddle. I have Brooks B17s (170mm width) with my flat/alt bar 
> bikes but use a GB Aspin (157mm width) with the cutout for my drop bar 
> bikes. Some manufacturers and stores offer a saddle comfort guarantee, so 
> check with those vendors if the need arises. I like to shop for saddles at 
> biketouringnews.com because they do offer a 90 day saddle comfort 
> guarantee and sell a wide selection of saddles, like Brooks and GB as well 
> as Ergon and WTB. (Not a paid endorsement - they've just been awesome the 
> handful of times I've shopped with them.)
>
> Looking forward to how your build ends up, with pictures of course.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 6:27:06 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been 
>> taking my Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... 
>> until I started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that 
>> involve a lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I 
>> would like to build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To 
>> clarify, I am totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus 
>> which I have set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with 
>> other people which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all 
>> the carbon fiber things). 
>>
>> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
>> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
>> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
>> I run up and down the 

[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Wow, another triple recommendation, I'm so glad I read this before 
splashing out! And all you guys have addressed my main question which I 
didn't put out there... how to get a high and low enough gear... a triple!

I do have Rich built A23 on my Platypus, and would 100% do it again. I did 
dynamo hubs on my other two bikes and I think I'm going to keep this bike 
more basic. If I'll be riding late I'll take the Platypus or the Atlantis. 
For some reason it feels like overkill to have 3 bikes all set up that way. 
I have a battery charged light that is not super glamorous but can do the 
job. And I am curious about the Rene Herse tires, and am hoping to test 
those out on this bike.

I'm going to branch out from the real purty saddles and get a Specialized 
Mimic which was recommended to me by my Godmother. I have a broken in 
Brooks B17 waiting in the wings if that doesn't work out.

Thanks for the ideas!

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:22:02 AM UTC-8 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Congrats - new bike day is always the best day.
>
> +1 on Toshi's suggestion for a triple crank up front (get a light-ish road 
> crank) with an 11-28 cassette in the rear - that's my setup on my long 
> distance bike. That gives a wider gear range than the wide-low and minimal 
> weight difference because the cassette is lighter. If you want to stick 
> with the double, IMO the wide-low will not give you enough top end. You'll 
> have to run something at least like the 42/28 (from Riv - but maybe wait 
> for the lighter duty Silver2?) or the 46/30 (the "adventure" or "gravel" 
> gearing available from many manufacturers) with a taller cassette (11-32 
> with most RDs, 11-36 on friction with most RDs, and up to 11-42 in friction 
> with some RDs and maybe Wolf's tooth goat link) in the back.
>
> I like using this gear ratio calculator: https://www.gear-calculator.com/  
> Since you have existing bikes, you can enter your existing gearing then 
> compare the gearing on your new bike. The gearing on your new bike should 
> at least match on the low end and exceed on the top end of your existing 
> bike. With a double that may not be possible so check what's the equivalent 
> gear combination that low end is on your old bike, go find a hill, and ride 
> it unloaded in that combo to see if that effort is something you can live 
> with.
>
>  Also +1 on Toshi's suggestion for nicer tires: Rene Herse or Grand Bois, 
> and I'd go for the standard casing for better flat protection.
>
> If you haven't already, build up a nice light-ish wheelset. For rims, I 
> suggest the Pacenti Brevet or Velocity A23 as good value options, with the 
> latter available as an Off Center drilling for rear wheels. More expensive 
> options exist of course. For hubs, the Shimano 105 is good enough but 
> you'll have to service them periodically (and I'm not a fan of the bluish 
> anodizing.) Rich built me an A23/A23OC wheelset with 105 hubs for my 
> Roadini and it performed wonderfully.
>
> Since you're going to be experimenting with bars and fit, I suggest 
> investing in a "stem fit kit": an inexpensive quill adapter; a 31.8-to-25.4 
> handle bar shim; and a handful of inexpensive 31.8 threadless stems. Use 
> Whatbars.com and your existing bike fit to get the range of stem lengths 
> that would work. The Origin8 adapter is under $20. The Kalloy stems are 
> about $25 each, and you can find them (and other value stems) used at a 
> local bike co-op, here, in iBob, and eBay. IMO worth the investment since 
> you're only going to know if the bar works for you if you go out on a 
> decently distanced bike ride, and threadless stems are easier to swap than 
> quill ones. When you're done, go get that nice Nitto stem for your AHH, 
> tape and shellac your handlebars, and put these in a box since, well, n+1.
>
> Since your riding position is changing, set aside budget for possibly a 
> new, narrower saddle. I have Brooks B17s (170mm width) with my flat/alt bar 
> bikes but use a GB Aspin (157mm width) with the cutout for my drop bar 
> bikes. Some manufacturers and stores offer a saddle comfort guarantee, so 
> check with those vendors if the need arises. I like to shop for saddles at 
> biketouringnews.com because they do offer a 90 day saddle comfort 
> guarantee and sell a wide selection of saddles, like Brooks and GB as well 
> as Ergon and WTB. (Not a paid endorsement - they've just been awesome the 
> handful of times I've shopped with them.)
>
> Looking forward to how your build ends up, with pictures of course.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 6:27:06 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who 

[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Okay, I love these ideas. I'm writing this down on my super nerd gearing 
list. I am so curious about the triple now. I've had some advice that it's 
overkill, but I'm curious now that I am hearing from people with riding 
experience... people who ride like me... While on my own I am a "Party Pace 
rider" I do find that I get into my 42 front chainring a lot... but I also 
ride the 28 for most of the time. I spin on downhills, and can't get quite 
a low enough gear to get up these long hills without feeling it in my 
knees... Maybe a triple is the answer. I don't mind a weight penalty for 
something that improves ride experience, I'm just trying to be more 
conscious about throwing racks and bags and accidentally building every 
bike into a touring bike. I will not be at the point where I fit everything 
into tiny jersey pockets, just trying to find that balance.

The Roadini is the rational looking choice, but I am just not a pure 
roadbike person. I need to be able to get a somewhat ergonomic handlebar on 
there, no drops due to my funky shoulder. And I've been mostly having a 
fine time on club rides on my Platypus which I have a trunk bag on... which 
gets a lot of comments until I'm the one who pulls out a fully equipped 
first aid kit, or can carry out someone's water bottle and cage that flies 
off mid ride... try fitting that in a Jersey pocket!

The Homer is going to be great for what I'm planning to do... and if not 
then it's another N+1 situation, right? 
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:54:48 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> An Albastache with drop bar levers?   
> I'm sure some Homer riders will chime in with their thoughts, but I've 
> found that mustache style bars can strike a happy compromise between swept 
> back designs and drop bars. The trick I think is to get the height and 
> reach dialed in so they provide both a comfortable, somewhat upright-ish 
> cruising position when on the ends, and a lower stretched out aero-ish 
> position when out on the bends & brake lever hoods. I've found they work 
> best for me with a much shorter stem than I would have expected.  
>
> I'd think a 24t chain ring, if coupled with an 11-34 or 11-32 rear 
> cassette would give you a sufficiently low "granny gear" for big climbs, 
> but I wonder if you'd wind up spinning out the 38 x 11 high gear. I run a 
> VO triple on my Platypus with a 44-34-24 crank and an 8 speed 11-34 on the 
> back. I'm definitely a 'party pace' sort of rider, but often find myself 
> shifting onto the 44t chain ring. 
>
> Not to distract you from your plan...but would a Roadini be a better 
> choice for club rides?  Whatever you settle on, have fun with your N+1 bike 
> build!!!
>
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:27:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been 
>> taking my Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... 
>> until I started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that 
>> involve a lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I 
>> would like to build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To 
>> clarify, I am totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus 
>> which I have set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with 
>> other people which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all 
>> the carbon fiber things). 
>>
>> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
>> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
>> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
>> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
>> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
>> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>>
>> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>>
>> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I 
>> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a 
>> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 
>>
>> I am open to bikesplaining.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

I am having regrets about not getting a 24 on my Platypus chainring, and am 
looking into correcting that. I thought to keep up with group rides I 
needed a big ring up front to be "fast" but what it turns out is really 
important is a low gear. I especially learned that when I went on a flat 28 
mile ride and somehow the leader took us on a wrong turn and we ended up on 
Mt. Diablo... So I'm looking at the wide low double which I think will meet 
most of my needs, but I am going to ask about the triple!

I am considering the Albastache, how do you have yours set up? And what was 
the switch for you like from other bars? These are the ones I am most 
curious about so SPILL! I have been a Billie Bar/Albatross loyalist and am 
hoping to at least test ride the Albastache to make sure I'm not missing 
anything. 

I did consider the Roadini, also tempting because of the difference in 
price... but I find I just always feel a bit squished up on a shorter 
frame. Also I recall reading that you can't put an Albatross bar on there 
and drops are a nono because I have a wacky shoulder that I need to be kind 
to.  

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> I take the triple weight penalty because I like my 48 chainring on the 
> flats and my 24 chainring for the really steep stuff or when I’m tired.
>
> I keep it slightly lighter by using a 28 cassette in the rear.
>
> I use an Albastache, which may not be as upright as your other bars. It’s 
> worth considering.
>
> My other thought is to use nice tires. I would use Grand Bois Lierre EL or 
> the Compass equivalent or Parimoto 38 mm.
>
> My final thought is why not a Roadini? That’s what I would do if it’s 
> mostly pavement. (Piaw rides his almost? everywhere.)
>
> Have fun,
> Toshi in Oaktown
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:27 AM Sarah Carlson  
> wrote:
>
>> I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely 
>> bikes, and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do 
>> most of the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the 
>> Atlantis which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes 
>> and I have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been 
>> taking my Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... 
>> until I started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that 
>> involve a lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I 
>> would like to build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To 
>> clarify, I am totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus 
>> which I have set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with 
>> other people which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all 
>> the carbon fiber things). 
>>
>> So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
>> types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
>> isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
>> I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
>> have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
>> now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 
>>
>> I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).
>>
>> I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I 
>> missing out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a 
>> shoulder that sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 
>>
>> I am open to bikesplaining.
>>
>>
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[RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

I think I learned what N + 1 syndrome is I have two very lovely bikes, 
and Atlantis and a Platypus. Between the two I have been able to do most of 
the kind of riding I can dream of. Chase around my kid on the Atlantis 
which is built up as an all rounder (Because I had only road bikes and I 
have a kid who can't stay away from dirt and gravel). I have been taking my 
Platypus out on club rides which has been working out fine... until I 
started to have aspirations to try out some of these rides that involve a 
lot of hills... so of course I decided to buy A Homer that I would like to 
build up specifically for rides with lots of hills! (To clarify, I am 
totally happy to take my time getting up hills on my Platypus which I have 
set up with racks and bags, fenders... but I like to ride with other people 
which are usually people with traditional road bikes with all the carbon 
fiber things). 

So I would love some guidance on setting up the gearing, and handlebar 
types, and random suggestions on how to do a lighter build. I know weight 
isn't the most important thing... but I can for sure tell a difference when 
I run up and down the stairs at the BART station with my Platypus when I 
have it laden with all the things vs when I first got it... and I love it 
now with all the things... so of course another bike, n + 1 is the answer. 

I've been considering the Wide Low double (38 x 24).

I use the Billie Bars, and Albatross bars on my other bikes... am I missing 
out on anything by not considering other options? (I have a shoulder that 
sometimes misbehaves so drop bars have not been my friend). 

I am open to bikesplaining.


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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Sarah Carlson]

Any intel on what the timeline is on the new cranks? Beyond the mysterious 
sometime next year? 

On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:56:46 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Nice to have another good-looking crank option (esp since the original 
> Silver cranks are rather ugly).
>
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 3:06:55 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> That's cool about your serial number.  If there was ever a question, you 
>> for sure can never sell now.
>>
>> Crank is VERY attractive, too.  I like arms with the fattened ends where 
>> the pedal spindle attaches, but it does make it harder to use a single mold 
>> for multiple arm lengths.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 2:58:42 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> One detail from the narrative on Roman's Legolas:  His serial number is 
>>> MN18RMS.  (M)ark (N)obilette 20(18) (RMS) Roman's initials.  Sure enough I 
>>> looked at my serial number and it's got my initials too!  That's pretty 
>>> fun.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:30:58 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at 
 Roman's Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, 
 so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 

 Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
  Looks pretty cool!

 https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Sarah Carlson]

I tested it the other day with wavies and they did work great for keeping 
the (don't like the word but...) cockpit feeling spacious. The angle made 
me feel some discomfort in my wrists, but for someone who that wrist 
position those are a great call.


On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 5:54:22 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Orjust let me toss this outwavies.
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:26:07 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes I do believe your plan will work. Billies are nice but reach way back 
>> there, I think a 13cm stem and Albas will be the business on your new 
>> Platypus. Albatross would probably work without a stem change on your 55 as 
>> well. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:34:50 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not with a long stem, and albatross bars it won’t. I have Billie bars 
>>> and a 10 cm stem on my 55 and I wish for a tiny bit more reach. But I can’t 
>>> have it unless I ditch my extra tall stem and they don’t make it any longer 
>>> than 10 cm. So I have the saddle pushed back. The smaller Platy will fit on 
>>> public transportation and is technically in my PBH range. You remembered 
>>> right!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 10:30 PM, J  wrote:
>>>
>>> Someone may have mentioned this already, but didn't Leah have issues 
>>> with not being able to get her seat back far enough to get reach and hand 
>>> position comfy on her current size 55 Platypus? Maybe I'm remembering 
>>> wrong,  but it seems a size 50 will amplify that same issue? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 5:19:54 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Dang, that really is pretty ain't it? I thought I wasn't into 
 purple..I've changed my mind! 

 On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:15:53 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> You can view BlueLug's own studio photography of the ana purple 
> platypus frame here for another take: 
> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-platypus-frame-set-ana-purple.html 
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> You will likely need to swap out the stem but other than that most 
>> should cross right over. Hold on to the Clem frame until you are 
>> positive 
>> that the 50cm will work for you and there is little risk. If it works 
>> sell 
>> the Clem and if it doesn't sell the Platy frame. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> I am seriously thinking of an Ana Purple Platy in the 50 cm size. I 
>>> love my 55s but they are too big to take on planes and trains. I would 
>>> have 
>>> chosen the Sergio Green but I have mermaid already and I like it 
>>> better. I 
>>> don’t want two similar colors in my trio. 
>>>
>>> I was looking at purple Riv images yesterday and saw this one:
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> This leads me to believe the purple has a little more personality 
>>> that what most of the photos show. And, I do know Ana and she has said 
>>> her 
>>> bike shines magenta in sunlight.
>>>
>>> If I do this, the parts from my wild Clem will get thrown onto this 
>>> purple frame. And it will either be my best idea or a spectacular 
>>> failure. 
>>>
>>> What I know it will be is this: a real riot of color.
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 10:00 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have ordered an Ana Purple Platypus Complete in the latest 
>>> presale. I have many opinions on the color. 
>>>
>>>
>>> First, if you want safe, the Sergio green was there for the taking. 
>>> Classic, timeless, classy, non-offensive, gender-neutral, and provides 
>>> a 
>>> neutral base color to accessorize with. Brown vs black saddle/grips? 
>>> Both 
>>> will work equally well. The metallic flake does not hurt either. 
>>>
>>> Now down to the purple. I have mentioned previously here that I find 
>>> the purple to be a bit flat and too saturated. These are my 
>>> observations 
>>> after viewing an embarrassing (not really, we're all bike nerds here) 
>>> amount of photographs of Ana Purple rivs. Purple, is an incredibly 
>>> dynamic 
>>> color, given it can find many different shades as you add more red or 
>>> blue 
>>> to it (adjacent colors on the color wheel). Ana Purple seems to be 
>>> smack 
>>> dab a 50/50 blend of blue and red, which, in my opinion, is *so-so* 
>>> on the fun/originality scale. Add to that the dark shade of the 
>>> saturation 
>>> and it's a bit much! I mean, purple can (and often should) be loud. If 
>>> it 
>>> was a lighter shade to the point of lavender, it would not be as gender 
>>> neutral.  I personally think if some 

[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Sarah Carlson]

I just went and rode the purple test bike at Riv the other day. I had not 
really considered a purple bike but I liked it better than I thought. 
However it is a bit of a polarizing color... I started to figure out how I 
would make that purple color work for me, but I doubt I could convince my 
boyfriend to ride it in public. It's dark enough that I bet you could tone 
the impact down by adding some anodized parts in a neutral... or you could 
consider what I did with my last Platypus... I had it painted my favorite 
color. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:41 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
> Thoughts? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Sarah Carlson]

Hey RivSister, want me to got test ride the 50 for you? I know we both like 
an oversize frame so this could be an interesting experiment for both of 
us

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 6:55:49 AM UTC-8 Howard Hatten wrote:

> Since you already own a few step thru-step over rivs maybe you might want 
> to consider adding a Sam Hillborne to the stable. You never know, someday 
> you might want to try a drop bar cockpit on your group ride machine. Your 
> chariot would be waiting. 
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:16:07 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>> bikes.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Platypus Frameset, 55cm, “Lime Olive”

[Sarah Carlson]

Hi, is this frame still available?

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:48:50 PM UTC-7 Nathan F wrote:

> Bumping this down to $1150 shipped ($1100 for local pickup).
>
> On Monday, 16 October 2023 at 16:47:50 UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>
> I’ve decided to sell my 55cm Platypus from the original run in the “Lime 
> Olive” color.
>
> There are maybe 600 miles or so on the frame. I’m only selling it because 
> I don’t have anywhere to store it after a recent move. Bummer! Here's how 
> I built it if you're looking for some inspiration 
> .
>
> It’s in overall great shape, with some very minor cable run on the NDS 
> headtube, and some minor marks from a bike rack on the DS seat-stay and 
> mid-stay. No dents or anything major. As I exclusively ran it singlespeed, 
> the chain stay and hanger are in perfect shape, though the inside of the 
> dropouts are a little marked up from fiddling with the ENO hub.
>
> BB/seatpost/headset are included, as are “The Platypus Care Guide” and the 
> accompanying documentary DVD Riv gave away. I think I even have the 
> original paint covers for the canti-studs, but will need to look around for 
> them.
>
> Pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/9AD7Twu 
>
> I am asking $1250 net to me shipped from Austin, TX (or free local 
> delivery!). 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant’s Mountain

[Sarah Carlson]

Oh man this atmospheric river... I better make sure to get in a good ride 
today!


On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 7:06:08 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> Yes, I remember. The legs began to atrophy. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 3:21 AM Peter Adler  wrote:
>
>> Atmospheric river headed Bay Area way midweek. Might trickle off to the 
>> north again; but last winter, the first one had twelve more behind it, one 
>> after another, for almost ten weeks.
>>
>> Get your riding in while you can :-(
>>
>> Peter "no, really; I'm OK with the soaked socks" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 9:38:53 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>> Right on !
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:56:51 AM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>> Mt Diablo today. Clear skies and temps in the 60s here in Rivendell’s 
>> back yard.
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Sarah Carlson]

I had a different steel frame and all I can describe is that when I was 
riding I felt like I was dragging every pound of that bike along, where 
with the Platypus it feels like it is leaping forward. I just don't feel 
it. Even as I have added racks, bags, fenders and I keep asking when it 
will feel like a heavy bike. That has not happened yet.

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:46:30 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Jake,
> That is interesting that the bikes are about equal in weight but one rides 
> "zippier and lighter". I've heard this before in comparing the Clem to the 
> Platypus but I just don't know what qualities makes a bike feel zippier if 
> it isn't lighter weight.
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-5 jake...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I agree with what Garth is saying about weight/size differences. 
>> Depending on the respective builds and how the sizing falls, it's possible 
>> that a Platypus could be every bit as long and heavy as a Clem. As people 
>> in the 81-84cm pbh range, I have a 55cm Platypus and my dad has a 52cm 
>> Clem, and the Clem is probably lighter in part due to the smaller wheel 
>> size. Both are great bikes, and I do find the Platypus rides zippier and 
>> lighter, but in terms of lifting, transport, and storage there is not much 
>> difference between the two. Hope this helps!
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:06:09 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Chung, If your wife finds the Clem too long and heavy a Platypus is not 
>>> going to make a effective difference in regards to weight or maneuvering. 
>>> What would is a frame like a Soma Buena Vista (rim brake or disc) or Velo 
>>> Orange Polyvalent low kicker. Both have relatively typical chainstays and 
>>> wheelbases and are going to be easier to pick up and maneuver simply due to 
>>> the fact that they have "normal" wheelbases and chainstays so are going to 
>>> be inherently lighter to begin with. There's a notable difference in 
>>> geometry though, with the VO being more low trail and the Soma mid-high. 
>>> Plus the Soma has quite steep seat tube angles so if using a Brooks you may 
>>> not be able to get the seat back where you want. Thankfully they do both 
>>> use a 27.2 post though. 
>>>
>>> Note, the Platy isn't a step through either so all three compared to a 
>>> Clem are more like step around I suppose ! 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578fd48f3a30004789cd9,5ee8f7ce7eaeb8001717ac2f
>>> ,
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t know about the Platypus, but my wife rides a Betty Foy. It rides 
>>> ligh/zippy  and she loves it. Currently has a Wald 137 front basket and a 
>>> Riv trunk bag. 
>>> They’re a bit hard to come by but Cheviot was essentially the same bike. 
>>>
>>> Tires are 650b x 38 with fenders. Not sure I’d go larger. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:21:50 AM UTC-7 chungeu...wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
>>> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
>>> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
>>> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
>>> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
>>> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
>>> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
>>> setup to make it more zippy?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chung
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for that tip Bill! I was just feeling sad today because I was 
realizing I needed to build my bike more for hills than I did (Hello 
Moeser!). Leah just showed me your link so now I know that if I have to 
swap out parts there is a chance to build up lighter. 

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:08:08 PM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I'm a fan!
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 4:30:58 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at Roman's 
>> Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, so I 
>> always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>>
>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
>>  Looks pretty cool!
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Sarah Carlson]

Love the fall accessory swap out! I have zero comments about your seatpost 
setback because I am so captivated by those new autumnal grips. Did you 
even ask for input about your riding position because I don't recall seeing 
that in your makeover post

Pink Gravel King tires? YES PLEASE!!

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:24:42 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I love the pink. I wish I had known how much the rose anodized parts I had 
> would fade. They are nearly silver now. I should have put red chainring 
> guard/spacers/brake levers instead of rose! I did not know Gravel King came 
> in pink. What a resource you are! You’re as good as a RivSister, Brian!
>
> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne  
> wrote:
>
> Here’s my contribution for most recent bike makeover from late summer 
> (now nice and muddy from its last excursion when this picture was 
> captured.)  This was previously my front basket equipped errand runner.  I 
> ended up changing to the low rider rack and bags earlier than in the year 
> while doing some stem and saddle swaps to allow easier fine tuning before 
> reinstalling the bar brackets.  The rack was available while already 
> removed from another bike also undergoing some minor changes.  Despite 
> being intended as a temporary rack and basket trade between frames I 
> decided to stick with it once I had them mounted and enjoyed the new and 
> lighter build on this bike.
>
>
> I’ve had the pink gravelking SK tires and bartape in waiting but with no 
> particular build planned.  The once bright red anodized chainring guard now 
> faded to a pinkish hue I decided it was time to replace the mismatched 
> blackwall tires and add more color to complement the guard in its current 
> shade now with the other components somewhat solidified.  Only a few weeks 
> and a handful of rides on this Lizard Skinz tape, however, it has worn so 
> rapidly on the outer layer to already look like it needs replacing from 
> months of hard use so will see how quickly it wears further from here.
>
> A spare set of wheels are also now shod with purple Gravelking SS for a 
> more road oriented option though I mixed up the slightly different gearing 
> between wheels and still need to swap the tires or cogs/freewheels to 
> better match the gears and tread with terrain.
>
> I have unfortunately not been getting in nearly as much riding as I’d like 
> between work and family commitments but with four complete bikes now in 
> rotation with different builds I’ve otherwise been somewhat consistent with 
> at least alternating them.  A new personal goal is to try and ride each at 
> least once per week more frequently, even if just for a quick 30min loop.  
> The more I ride, though, the more I tend to want to tweak things here or 
> there and do more make-overs!
>
> Brian Cole
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>> thread.
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
>> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
>> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
>> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
>> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
>> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
>> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
>> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
>> interest at the handlebar area. 
>>
>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>
>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>
>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Sarah Carlson]

I held my breath when I got the Paul Motolites for my Atlantis and I'm glad 
I did every time I ride it. I decided to save money by not getting the 
levers and I regret that. "Saving money" now means that I will upgrade 
my levers and pay for more labor putting them in (I am no bike mechanic). I 
have the Paul levers on my other bike and is just so much more satisfying 
in feel. 

Can I chime in that a gift certificate is a perfect time to splurge on 
something you wouldn't normally do for yourself? I bet whoever gifted you 
that would love to see you with a really great set of beautiful functional 
brakes.

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 6:20:06 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> I replaced the OE Shimano (then) long reach calipers of my '02 Rambouillet 
> to get some braking in the wet which those groupless Shimanos failed to 
> provide, even with salmon pads. What I gained was braking with modulation 
> and adjustability far beyond what I had before. What I also got from these 
> was clearance for the right size fenders over 700x 28mm tires. The original 
> calipers had decreasing clearance beneath them as the brakes closed on the 
> rims. Just a better design as a caliper.
>
> On top of all of that I had the opportunity to talk to Paul Price at his 
> Philly Bike Expo booth and was able to share my satisfaction and hear about 
> how much of that had been included in the design as they refined it. 
> Meeting him and having that conversation was worth the difference between 
> the Racers and any other option.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 11:57:51 AM UTC-4 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been on the lookout for a set of Paul Racer brakes for my rim brake 
>> bike. I tend to find that cheaper U brakes have too much spring tension and 
>> are not adjustable. My expectation is that Paul with be a very nicely made 
>> brake with much more tweakability that I'll enjoy.  I probably should just 
>> buy it new to support the semi-local business.
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:11:40 AM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black 
>>> Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like 
>>> them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had 
>>> on the bike.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. 

 I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I 
 applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for 
 want 
 of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. 
 Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old 
 Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop 
 surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of  in my pocket. YRMV, 
 but I’m happy. 

 Jock

 On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  
 wrote:

> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 
> 2007 Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to 
> read 
> later that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to 
> spend. So before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m 
> wondering 
> how folks feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull 
> brake with love levers. Are they worth it? 

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[RBW] Re: Help me repair Pam's Silver shifters

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for sharing! That's a great post and great example of how to 
respond to well earned wear and tear. I still fret a little bit over marks 
but maybe I'll learn to relax about it.


On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:28:16 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Wes, Pam’s bike is a model of beausage. There is no Betty Foy used 
> harder…maybe Caroline Gollum can give Pam a run for her money, but that’s 
> about it. (Caroline wrote in a recent thread that her well-loved Betty had 
> a stem seized and then later they discovered the skewer to the wheel was 
> seized, too.) Pam just crossed over 74,000 miles on her Betty. Not bad for 
> a bike purchased in 2011!
>
> Here is the 10 year anniversary post Pam did about her Betty. I’m sure 
> that little bike is far more marked up now than it was in those photos.
>
> https://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
> Leah
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:12:44 AM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> I am frankly amazed at the workout Pam is giving her bike, to wear out 
>> multiple shifter pawls! I can imagine a few ways to do a repair, none of 
>> which are "worth it", in terms of resource and money cost (3D printing, 
>> filing down a bit of aluminum bar, CNC milling). The most expedient fix, 
>> IMO, would be to epoxy the ratchet gear to the shifter body so that the 
>> both directions work in friction mode.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:02:06 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — I'm looking for some neglected, cast off or broken Silver 1 
>>> shifters to scavenge so that I can repair some broken Silver 1 shifters 
>>> sent to me by forum member Pam Murray. If you have some you aren't using or 
>>> that you think are broken which you are willing to send me for the cost of 
>>> shipping please let me know. I will use them to repair Pam's shifters and 
>>> get them back to her! 
>>>
>>> I recently read enjoyed Pam's thread on broken Silver shifters 
>>> .
>>>  
>>> And right on time one of my Silvers broke. So I took mine apart to have a 
>>> look. It turns out the spring was clogged with corrosion and wouldn't 
>>> compress, allowing for the pawl to hold the ratchet wheel and hold tension 
>>> on the shifter cable. Luckily the spring and pawl only needed to be cleaned 
>>> and reassembled. 
>>>
>>> Pam sent me three broken Silver shifters. As many of us know, Pam has 
>>> put tens of thousands of miles on her legendary Betty Foy. She's worn out 
>>> many parts and she's interested in getting them back into service when 
>>> possible. I took a look and was able to fix one of the shifters. The other 
>>> two require new pawls, which I can't locate. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-19 at 10.59.05 PM.png]
>>>
>>> I reached out to Dia Compe in Taiwan about spare parts. They replied 
>>> quickly but said they could not send me any bits and pieces and suggested I 
>>> contact Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> So I wrote to Will Keating at Rivendell, who's a wonderfully helpful and 
>>> nice guy and a friend and he said he'd send me some parts. Well, they 
>>> arrived today and they're *brand new* Silver 2 levers. I really don't 
>>> want to destroy brand new shifters to revive old shifters! I'm sure the 
>>> pawls I need are inside but I can't bring myself to tear them apart. 
>>> They've very definitely never been installed on a bike. 
>>>
>>> I have found some replacement springs from McMaster-Carr 
>>> . They're heavier gauge wire and 
>>> slightly longer than the stock springs from Dia Compe. But they fit and 
>>> they work. They do result in a lever with heavier action but they do not 
>>> make the lever difficult to operate. 
>>>
>>> My plan, once I locate some pawls, is to make a Silver shifter repair 
>>> and maintenance video. I hope that with donated parts from other members I 
>>> can fix Pam's shifters, show the process of disassembly, repair and 
>>> re-assembly and share it with the group (and the rest of the web). I'll 
>>> include a detailed look of the proper order for all the bits and how the 
>>> get the shifter closed back up. 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[Sarah Carlson]

Leah helped me with process of finding and then going through the process 
of custom painting my Platypus. If I was a super cool technology person I 
could direct your right to that conversation. There is also someone who 
custom painted an orange bike... 

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:19:51 AM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:

> Leah and Sarah, I've passed your support to Mathilde to which she said 
> "See, they get it!" :)
>
> And also, I wouldn't say I crashed twice, more like I had to bail from the 
> bike because I lost balance. Nothing catastrophic (except for a bruise or 
> two from those damn bear trap pedals!)
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 7:11:15 PM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> And I wanted a raspberry bike! So I also say make it happen for the 
>> yellow or orange bike!
>>
>> I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread, start to finish. I was as 
>> delighted as if it had been me who got the experience. How wonderful. But I 
>> would not have been brave enough to be doing single track out there with 
>> Riv People. You crashed twice? Nope, nope, nope. Put me back on the bike 
>> path please and thank you.
>>
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a lady who also wanted a yellow bike... and custom painted one 
>>> Make it happen! Say goodbye to barf green!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>>>
 Hey All,

 I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.

 Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and 
 travel to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride 
 around 
 Shell Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some 
 odds 
 and ends, but my wife has never been. 

 She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that 
 I sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, 
 but as she didn't pick it, it's never truly been *hers*. I was excited 
 for her to try out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.

 We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find 
 their PBH size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation 
 about what type of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, 
 Homer (the new gold ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, 
 amongst others. She immediately fell in love with the Homer and was 
 zipping 
 around the compound with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I 
 nerded out with James, checking out his Homer and Atlantis.

 Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the 
 color of her frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in 
 the light (all things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For 
 context, my wife is obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and 
 nothing else will please her :) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should 
 have a bike in a color that makes them love it, and so it in was in 
 friendly jest that for the rest of our time together Grant kept talking up 
 her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was hilarious.

 After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer 
 out the details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride 
 some trails. I confessed that we'd never been out there before and James 
 let me take a photo of a map they had on hand to get there. 

 We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan 
 (on his army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!

 They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give 
 us the option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). 
 Obviously, we were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our 
 first ride in Riv's backyard. How cool is that??

 So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light 
 trails, and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan 
 gave 
 each other a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like 
 you can handle yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"

 Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we 
 spend most of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban 
 jungle of Oakland. So... our experience on singletrack and trails in 
 general isn't the greatest. But when Grant says ride, you most certainly 
 follow. I also felt comfortable knowing we had them around. I must also 
 admit that I've never really taken my Clem L on this kind of terrain, so 
 there was a lot of learning to do.

 What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least 
 twice, but there was no shame to be 

[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Sarah Carlson]

OOOooo! That moment when you got the notification that your bike was in 
stock! What a feeling! Congratulations on your not barf green bike and the 
beginning of new adventures! 

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:30:31 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” . 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[Sarah Carlson]

As a lady who also wanted a yellow bike... and custom painted one Make 
it happen! Say goodbye to barf green!


On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.
>
> Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and 
> travel to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride around 
> Shell Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some odds 
> and ends, but my wife has never been. 
>
> She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that I 
> sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, but 
> as she didn't pick it, it's never truly been *hers*. I was excited for 
> her to try out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.
>
> We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find 
> their PBH size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation 
> about what type of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, 
> Homer (the new gold ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, 
> amongst others. She immediately fell in love with the Homer and was zipping 
> around the compound with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I 
> nerded out with James, checking out his Homer and Atlantis.
>
> Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the color 
> of her frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in the 
> light (all things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For 
> context, my wife is obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and 
> nothing else will please her :) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should 
> have a bike in a color that makes them love it, and so it in was in 
> friendly jest that for the rest of our time together Grant kept talking up 
> her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was hilarious.
>
> After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer out 
> the details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride some 
> trails. I confessed that we'd never been out there before and James let me 
> take a photo of a map they had on hand to get there. 
>
> We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan (on 
> his army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!
>
> They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give us 
> the option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). 
> Obviously, we were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our 
> first ride in Riv's backyard. How cool is that??
>
> So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light 
> trails, and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan gave 
> each other a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like 
> you can handle yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"
>
> Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we spend 
> most of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban jungle of 
> Oakland. So... our experience on singletrack and trails in general isn't 
> the greatest. But when Grant says ride, you most certainly follow. I also 
> felt comfortable knowing we had them around. I must also admit that I've 
> never really taken my Clem L on this kind of terrain, so there was a lot of 
> learning to do.
>
> What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least 
> twice, but there was no shame to be had. Dan shared that on his first ride 
> with Grant in Shell Ridge, he fell off his bike and slid 50ft down the side 
> of a hill which scored some laughs all around.
>
> As we went along, both Dan and Grant gave me some tips on how to ride the 
> terrain and by the second half I was having the time of my life. The 
> biggest thing I learned was to trust the long-wheel base, and pedal, pedal, 
> pedal. It took a bit of courage to do, but once I got the hang of it I was 
> amazed at how, yes, you really can pedal through those moments of doubt and 
> come away smiling. I'll never forget it. I was also in awe of how 
> skillfully both Grant and Dan rode the terrain, they're incredibly skillful 
> but are never in your face about it.
>
> Along the way, we had great conversations about not just bikes, but life. 
> I asked Grant if he was going to celebrate Riv's 30th anniversary next year 
> to which he yelled *"NO!"* (though I suspect people will celebrate him 
> and the team anyway) and in turn, he asked us about our lives, our 
> interests, our hobbies, etc. It was great to hear about his philosophy on 
> life, on bikes and everything in between. We joked about the French (my 
> wife is French) and Grant's struggles to pronounce French words. I even 
> snapped a few photos on my Kodak Ektar H35.
>
> Grant was also a great ride leader, explaining how to approach certain 
> sections in a non-condescending manner. The riding was 

[RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Sarah Carlson]

It's not very glamorous, but when I wear wide leg pants I just roll it up 
ridiculously high and take off. With the other stuff going on in the bay 
area I'm sure my rolled up pant leg is not going to catch anyone's 
attention. No bike grease yet!

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where 
> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the 
> bike?
>
> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my 
> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, 
> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you 
> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. 
> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a 
> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. 
>
> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the era 
> of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall riding 
> boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried about 
> getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. 
>
> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I 
> really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting 
> them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack 
> for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work 
> better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, 
> well…here’s a photo. 
>
> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to 
> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, 
> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. 
> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going 
> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>
> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will mark 
> up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move the 
> pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me that 
> these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the damage 
> to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and sneakers 
> year-round.
>
> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do 
> you wear what you want? Do you even care? 
>
> Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While I’m 
> not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might feel 
> differently if the pants were a lighter color. 
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Sarah Carlson]

Such a beautiful bike and kind of lovely to see him on his grandpa's frame. 
Looks like it fits him really well. I have no good insight into this, other 
than it would be really sad to see that bike turn into a "garage queen" 
when he looks so natural on it. Is there room for him to stash this 
gorgeous bike for pleasure riding and also keep a beater for all the 
student activities? 

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Don’t do it. I used to work on a college campus and the reality is, bikes 
> are stolen like crazy, campuses are targeted by bike thieves, college kids 
> are busy and forgetful and all it takes is one careless lockup and it’s (or 
> parts of it’s)  gone. 
> I don’t believe there’s any way to keep a nice bike like a Clem safe or 
> intact on a college campus.
> Get a big steel 90’s MTB and put a Sunlite fake Albatross on it. 
> Just my .02
> Congratulations to you for guiding your son towards the next phase of his 
> life! 
>
> On Aug 5, 2023, at 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college 
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, 
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up 
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, 
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I 
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the 
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of 
> saying… 
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because 
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and 
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally 
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the 
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep 
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I 
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But 
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would 
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could 
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Sarah Carlson]

The matchmaker at work again!

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so 
> curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are 
> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
> Leah
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset 
>> they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in 
>> Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got 
>> an itch for something a little different. 
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for posting! I have been trying to find these to encourage my 
boyfriend to love riding... but I guess I'll have to keep waiting!


On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:28:43 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, sorry for any confusion! As of this writing, 13 June 2023, they are 
> out of stock. But inbound! I know a lot of people were interested so 
> figured I'd share some vague intel that more are on the way. 
>
> Sure to sell out quickly, again. Lots of restock email notifications 
> subscribed. 
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:46:09 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Oh, I misunderstood what Eric wrote.
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 8:35:17 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t think they put them up again on the site… unless I somehow 
>>> missed the restock notification email. If you’re looking at them now as out 
>>> of stock, it’s likely because they’ve long been unavailable on the site.
>>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>>
>>> welp, they didn't last very long ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, in a recent video (May 31, 2023) Ron mentioned that another 
 shipment of Ortho Bars are currently on a boat heading for North America. 
 So set that restock alert! 


 https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/rons-ortho-bar-for-whenever-it-shows-up

 On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:04:47 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> For anyone who missed it, Ron's email update included a bit on the 
> availability, quick sale and re-stock of the back bars: 
>
>
>- 
>
>That brings me to the mild outcry over the rapid sell through of 
>Uncle Ron’s Orthopedic Back bar.  There is a narrative swirling around 
> the 
>internet that we do this sorta thing on purpose —- if we were only 
> that 
>smart.  This is a short story about a small business with medium 
>popularity.  
>
>I generally prototype new products in my barn.  In the case of 
>these handlebars, i used a nitto bosco as a blank and bent them to 
> where i 
>liked it best.  I call up Matt from Crust and convince him to make 
> them — 
>where he generally trusts me with baked in reluctance.  Adam Sklar 
>digitally draws them up for me —- and its off to the best handlebar 
> factory 
>in Taiwan who also happen to make Renthal’s motocross bars.  So these 
>handlebars are gonna take a while to make.  In normal times, 3-6 
> months is 
>normal …. as things sit now, you are lucky to have a turn around under 
> 18 
>months.  
>
>So there you are with a high performance geriatric handlebar 
>design wondering how many you should order based on what kind of 
> demand 
>there will be in 18 months… will we even be here??? Fuck! Okay, 90 
> sounds 
>about right.  90 it was.  90 gone in an afternoon.  More than 90 on 
> order 
>now…. you guessed it …. 18 months away.  Hope you still want them! 
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Mine came in today, and let me just say, I wish I ordered two. They 
>> are fantastic!
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone has buyers remorse, let me know and I'll take a set off 
>>> your hands. I lingered and lost.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:46:23 PM UTC-5 John Phillips 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, thanks for the link to the interview. 

 That is a beautiful bike. From the side, this set up looks a lot 
 like my Hunqapillar with Alba's. I'm hoping a Nitto NP stem will get 
 the 
 Ortho bars down low enough as my saddle is a lot closer to the frame 
 than 
 Uncle Ron's saddle is. If the bars slip in the NP stem slips, I may 
 try a 4 
 bolt Wendy stem.

 John

 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:46:17 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Because everything is better with pics – drive-side view as 
> described by John ;)  I love how beat to shit this bike is, the 
> mismatched 
> Paul brakes, the silver, the purple. Is the fork a replacement? The 
> article 
> says he's running a 38-20 double with an extra ring as bashguard. 
> Umm 
> that's groovy. 
>
> There's a recent interview w. Ron on the Blue Lug site 
> . He 
> mentions there might be an aluminum bike like this in the early 
> development 
> stages with Crust. 
>
> [image: 

[RBW] Re: Matt's Green Rosco Platypus (photos)

[Sarah Carlson]

That is such a fun bike! Many happy rides to you!

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:06:47 AM UTC-7 Matthew Miller wrote:

> Finished getting this Rosco Platypus together last month and took a few 
> photos on my ride today :) Picked up the frame, bars, and crank at the 
> Rivendell garage sale.
>
> Matthew Miller
> Long Beach, CA/USA
>
> [image: R0009714-Edit.jpeg]
> [image: R0009790 Large.jpeg][image: R0009796 Large.jpeg][image: R0009772 
> Large.jpeg]
>
> 15 years on this Brooks so far.
> [image: R0009732 Large.jpeg]
>
> Used an old Dura-Ace front derailleur w/braze-on clamp.
> [image: R0009729 Large.jpeg]
>
> Fancy brass valve caps.
> [image: R0009802 Large.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] I spy a yellow Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

I would love to do a RivSister ride. If I ever go that way I'll let you 
know!


On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 6:55:21 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Welcome, RivSister!  Your Platy is beautiful.  Best wishes for many happy 
> miles together!
> Do you live on the West Coast?  I'm in the NW, on Whidbey Island.  If 
> close, we could ride our Platys together!
>
> Joyce
>
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Another colorful Platy build!  
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jordans-platty
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 7:30:45 AM UTC-4 Elton Lance wrote:
>>
>>> Love the white Rivet saddle.  Looks perfect on the bike!
>>>
>>> Elton Lance
>>> Vero Beach, FL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love it. Like riding on sunshine. 
>>>
>>> Like Leah, you and bike are color coordinated. And, you have the BEST 
>>> reason for being absent from social media. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very 
 very absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!


 On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming 
> for 
> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
> details. I’m so happy for her! 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>> so. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>
>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] I spy a yellow Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

I love that! And Blue Heron is my other favorite bike shop, they built up 
the bike that got me to love riding again.


On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Another colorful Platy build!  
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jordans-platty
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 7:30:45 AM UTC-4 Elton Lance wrote:
>
>> Love the white Rivet saddle.  Looks perfect on the bike!
>>
>> Elton Lance
>> Vero Beach, FL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> I love it. Like riding on sunshine. 
>>
>> Like Leah, you and bike are color coordinated. And, you have the BEST 
>> reason for being absent from social media. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very 
>>> very absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
 Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming 
 for 
 weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
 (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
 probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
 Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
 questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
 details. I’m so happy for her! 
 Leah

 On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
> so. 
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>
>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>
>> Max
>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you! This yellow makes me ridiculously happy!

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:07:32 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Great color. It may be my favorite, enjoy. 
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very 
>> very absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
>>> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
>>> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
>>> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
>>> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
>>> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
>>> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
>>> details. I’m so happy for her! 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
 wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
 so. 

 On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>
> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>
> Max
> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: [SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell Atlantis

[Sarah Carlson]

Any news if this was your bike?


On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:34:15 PM UTC-7 Adrianna T wrote:

> I am hoping this is my bike. Waiting to hear back!
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:28:56 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Ha... you beat me to it. 
>> Thanks Eric.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:22:46 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Forwarding from another email list … 
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> *From: *Eric Larsen 
>>> *Subject: **[SFRandon] OT - recovered Rivendell Atlantis*
>>> *Date: *June 22, 2023 at 7:36:25 AM PDT
>>> *To: *San Francisco Randonneurs 
>>> *Reply-To: *ciren...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> If you know anyone who had a Rivendell Atlantis stolen from them, please 
>>> have them contact me off list to identify.
>>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Sarah Carlson]

In my opinion goose poop is way worse! It's more sloppy and GREEN. Horse 
poop is more grassy and solid and less likely to splatter. (I am a nurse 
who deals with a lot of poop professionally, and I have opinions)!

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:35:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm curious now. Is goose poop worse than horse poop?
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:30:58 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 9:10:11 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I find a use for them nearly every ride - there is always some puddle or 
>> a bunch of goose poop that makes me thank my lucky stars for fenders. 
>>
>>
>> LOL, yeah, we've had no rain for a month here and the goose poop at the 
>> lakefront is epic right now. +1 for fenders.
>>
>> That said, I have yet to find any goose poop on a gravel road. Our 
>> Wisconsin network of crushed limestone rail-trails, on the other hand, can 
>> be full of stuff you don't want spraying on your legs and back. Last year I 
>> did a 300km loop around SE Wisconsin, 111km of which was on trails. It 
>> didn't rain on us, but it had rained the day before, and some of the trails 
>> were still pretty damp. I was very happy to have fenders, even though there 
>> was a fair amount of sand rattling around in them. The guy riding behind me 
>> was sure glad I had them.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen custom 1995 Rivendell Road Standard (San Francisco)

[Sarah Carlson]

I'm so sorry these happened to you! It's starting to feel like we just 
can't have nice things in the Bay Area. Have your friends check the Oakland 
Colosseum flea market. A lot of bikes end up there. Someone I know went 
there after their laptop was stolen out of their house and was able to 
recover it! Also try the Ashby Flea Market in Berkeley. This does seem more 
organized then a snatch and grab theft but maybe there is a chance the 
bikes stayed local. I hope you are able to bring your bike home.

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:42:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I recovered a stolen bike (well the frame at least) by listing it on 
> bikeindex.org.  Did you record your serial number? It didn't come back 
> for over a year but...
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:03:19 PM UTC-7 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> With a sad face I’m writing to say all the bikes in my building got 
>> stolen today, including my beloved Riv. 
>>
>> Some of you helped me plan and figure out how to build it up some time 
>> ago. 
>>
>> This is what it ended up looking like: 
>>
>> If you come across any of it (including just the frame) I’d be very glad 
>> to hear from you. 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

[Sarah Carlson]

Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very very 
absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!


On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
> details. I’m so happy for her! 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>> so. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>
>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Timeline for a Repaint (for a friend)

[Sarah Carlson]

Thank you for this exciting news! I was preparing for a long wait. Now I'm 
hopeful to be ready for summer riding!


On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 11:52:07 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ah! What a thrilling answer, Matthew! I am so happy and relieved that it 
> seems to be weeks and NOT months that she will have to wait. Wonderful, and 
> thank you!
>
> On Apr 15, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Finally, a question I can help answer!
>
> Back in October, Rick at D painted my forks and he did a fantastic job. 
> RBW advised me to expect a four-week backlog; Rick said the turnaround was 
> about two to three weeks.
>
> Rick sandblasted my forks, matched the color, he added an accent I wanted, 
> and gave me a small bottle of touch-up paint. I picked up my forks about 
> ten days after I dropped them off.
>
> My forks were a small project (as opposed to an entire frame) and I can’t 
> speak for Rick's schedule, but I can say I couldn’t be happier with the 
> finshed result. Rick is amazing. 
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2023, at 5:46 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> No, not for me, I love my paint! But my new RivSister friend acquired a 55 
> cm mermaid Platypus and she, like Heather (who dreamt of pumpkin) and me 
> (who coveted raspberry), can only be truly, sublimely happy if her Platy is 
> a lemon meringue yellow (with a bit of metallic). 
>
> She will take her frame to D but hasn’t actually been able to arrange 
> this yet. She was hoping it could be done rather quickly, but I suspect 
> there will be a wait. Can anyone here, who has had a Rick-Repaint, please 
> advise as to timeline? Are we talking weeks? Months? Several months? 
>
> We would MOST appreciate your input! 
> Thanks in advance,
> Leah
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