[RBW] Re: Experiences with Atlantis

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've ridden thousands of miles of Midwest gravel on my Toyo Atlantis; 200 
of them were racing the Dirty Kanza. I switched to a Salsa Fargo for 
serious gravel riding because of comfort, disc brakes, and tire clearance. 
I can barely squeeze 700x50 on the rear of the Atlantis and the brakes and 
kickstand bracket collect a lot of mud when things get nasty. If I were to 
choose a Riv for all road/gravel, it would be the Appaloosa.

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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have Velocity Quill on my Toyo Atlantis with 700x50 Soma Cazadero tires; 
the rims are awesome, but the tire/frame clearance it tight. I chose the 
Quill over the A23 because they were tubeless compatible and their wider 
inside width.  Our Salsa Powderkeg tandem has a Cliffhanger with dynamo on 
the front, and I will replace the Stan's rim on the back with a Cliffhanger 
as soon as I decide which hub I want to use. I'm leaning towards Hadley.

I'm not a weight weenie, but I can't imagine a better place to increase 
bicycle performance (besides the human motor) than wheels/tires.

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[RBW] Re: anybody tried WTB Riddlers?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I will be anxious to hear how the Riddlers compare to the Cazaderos. I have 
a new set of tubless 45 Riddlers in my tire stash, but I was able to 
squeeze the 50 Cazaderos on my Toyo Atlantis and I absolutely love them.

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:11:01 PM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Anybody tried 'em? Was ogling them at my LBS and they look quite 
> nicegreat volume, and look like they would roll pretty well. Coming off 
> a well-worn set of Soma Cazaderos and new tires are in my future.
>

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Joe Appa owners, what's your pbh?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I test rode the 55 Appaloosa that Rivendell had in the shop last Summer. 
I'm 5'10 with an 89 pbh. It fit, but I probably would have preferred a 58. 
I think that a 55 would fit you very well.

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[RBW] Re: Hubert's Shoe Grease - Pine Tar AND Bees Wax

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Evan

Obenauf's was developed by a wildland firefighter that walked through wet 
ashes all day in expensive leather boots; it soaks into the leather 
protecting it from the harsh conditions. The Montana Pitch Blend didn't 
soak in as well and left the leather tacky and darkened it more than the 
Obenauf's did. I don't ride leather saddles on my bicycles, but I do use 
the Obenauf's on my hunting boots and horse tack. Many of the high-end boot 
manufactures put their label on Obenauf's LP; I used to buy the overruns 
from Obenauf's at a reduced price.

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[RBW] Re: Hubert's Shoe Grease - Pine Tar AND Bees Wax

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Probably because Obenauf's is better.

Before I discovered Obenauf's LP, I used a similar product, Montana Pitch 
Blend, but I've had better luck with Obenauf's.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:15:16 PM UTC-6, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Brl1nrWlnBC/
>
> There's still time for that last minute gift to yourself...but why hasn't 
> Grant informed us of this Pine Tar & Bees Wax elixir for leather...I'm 
> going to see how it works on the old work boots...wood cutting season is on 
> us and my black beast is eating thru my stockpile...
>
> meade
>

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[RBW] Re: wheel build suggestions

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Velo Orange Grand Cru Touring Hub is still available in the 10-speed 
version for $120 on their website. I ordered a set of Velocity Quills with 
a raw unpolished or anodized finish because I wanted silver rims, but I 
didn't want them polished. My front hub is a NOS White Industries that I 
found on bikerecyclery.com.  The wheels turned out great, but the 700x50 
Soma Cazaderos barely fit on the rear of my Atlantis.

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 12:35:20 PM UTC-6, bo richardson wrote:
>
> my atlantis was loaned to a friend who was going to do some work on it for 
> me. 
> a young womman on her cell phone hit him and the bike. he ended up on the 
> hood. 
> Michael is banged up, mostlyok but wont know for sure till osteo visit on 
> the 20th. 
> the bike seems mostly ok. Brooks is damaged, tape is damaged, rear wheel 
> is wrecked. 
>
> Am planning shop-based both wheel rebuild. Schmidt front hub. 
> Rear hub i think is DX, ie shimano 105quality. 
>
> is there a price/value upgrade hub i should buy? it will probably be out 
> of my pocket 
> I dont want White or Phil expense. LX.?IRD? 
> Will keep Schmidt front hub. 
>
> What about nice silver rims? I usually run 1.5” tires.  But possible next 
> owner may want wider tires? 
>
> Thanks 
> Bo Richardson 
> Bellingham 
>
> Thanks for crowdsourced expertise. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It was whatever Rivendell installed when they built it; probably a 
Pletscher. It gets pretty windy here in Iowa, and I've learned to lay my 
bikes on the ground instead of using kickstands or leaning them against 
objects. Our Powderkeg sounds like scaffolding falling over when a big gust 
of wind catches it.

I haven't had a chance to ride the San Marcos since paring it down to 24.5# 
because our bike paths have been under water for the past month. I'm 
picking up a custom Guitar Ted-built wheelset of Velocity Quills for my 
Atlantis on Monday that should knock off considerable weight when I set it 
up tubeless next Spring.

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 2:50:19 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 26.5 lb is not bad at all for such a build. My custom 26" wheel fixie, 
> with dynamo lighting, fenders, racks, is probably 1 1/2 lb lighter, and 
> that's with a Dingle fixed drivetrain in place of a 3X9.
>
> * I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling over all 
> of the time.*
>
> Now that is interesting, since stands are meant precisely to keep the bike 
> from falling over. What sort of kickstand, and why did it fall over? I am 
> ready to remove the bb-area stand from my Hon Solo, because when you have 
> even a bit more weight in the left-side pannier than the right, the stand 
> will not hold the bike up, as I discovered yet once again today at the 
> grocery store.
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame 
>> Saver treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike 
>> falling over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and 
>> Microshift FD for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced 
>> the Noodle with a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs 
>> 24.5 lbs. without the pump and seat bag.
>>
>> Soma San Marcos
>> 59
>> 26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
>> Sugino triple crankset
>> 9-speed
>> Tektro side-pull brakes
>> Cane Creek levers
>> Shimano bar-ends
>> Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
>> Noodle bars
>> Nitto stem
>> Nitto seatpost
>> Shimano XT spd pedals
>> Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
>> Shimano 105 hubs
>> Jack Brown Blue 
>> King SS bottle cages
>> bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I tore the bike down to the frame for a thorough cleaning and a Frame Saver 
treatment. I removed the kickstand because I was tired of the bike falling 
over all of the time. I then swapped the Sugino triple and Microshift FD 
for an IRD Lobo 46/30 with a Shimano CX-70 FD, and replaced the Noodle with 
a 46 cm Soba bar that was on my Atlantis. It now weighs 24.5 lbs. without 
the pump and seat bag.

Soma San Marcos
59
26.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
Sugino triple crankset
9-speed
Tektro side-pull brakes
Cane Creek levers
Shimano bar-ends
Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
Noodle bars
Nitto stem
Nitto seatpost
Shimano XT spd pedals
Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
Shimano 105 hubs
Jack Brown Blue 
King SS bottle cages
bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape


On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos size for 87.5cm PBH

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My PBH is 89 cm, and I ride a 59 San Marcos with plenty of seatpost. 
According to the geometry chart, there is only .1" between the two sizes. 
The 59 has 2 top tubes where the 57 will only have 1, if that matters to 
you. The 57 is designed for 650b, and 59 is 700c.

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-5, Momo wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've taken a measurement of my PBH and I came with 87.5cm.
>
> I have a choice of Soma San Marcos frames - a 57 or a 59.
>
> I'm not sure which one to get. Does anyone out there ride a San Marcos of 
> 57 or 59 with a similar PBH?
>
> The San Marcos geo is here:
>
> http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>
> Please help me with this quandary!
>
> Thanks,
>
> M
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In 2011 I couldn’t afford a Hilsen, so I had Rivendell build a San Marcos for 
me. It was a typical Riv build with Nitto, bar-ends, Rich-built wheels, and 3x9 
drivetrain. It is pretty, comfortable, and it loves to climb hills and fly down 
the other side. I’m in the process of replacing the drivetrain to a 2x9 (46,30 
x 11-34) if Merry Sales ever sends me the IRD Lobo crankset that I ordered last 
April. The Rodeo would be another dream bike, but I’m happy with the Soma.

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I can live without disc, because Paul makes awesome rim brakes; threadless 
and 73 mm BB are good too.

How about a lugged non-suspension corrected Karate Monkey geometry in a 
color that will go with both silver or black components. I'll probably 
single speed mine...

>

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[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I had them on all of my bikes until I discovered the Brooks C-17 Carved. 
They are okay for the first 100 miles, but they get wet from sweat and 
stretch too much for the 2nd hundred. My next saddle will probably be one 
the new Cambium All Weather C-17.

On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 11:33:11 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
> Like it?
> Compared to Brooks?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jeff,

Thanks for posting the spreadsheet; that looks like a lot of work. Have you 
looked at the Soma Highway 1 Bar? It doesn't flare, but it does have a 
short reach and drop. I replaced the original Nitto bars on my old Santana 
Noventa with Hwy 1 because of their short reach, 26mm clamp, and silver 
finish.

Tony
 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Velocity Cliffhanger wheelset, Luxos U headlight

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Are they silver or black?

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 9:07:56 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Gotta have that wheel size, mate. Gotta have wheel size. 

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[RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'd settle for 46 wide Noodles with flared drops like the Salsa Cowchippers 
on my Fargo.

On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 3:55:10 PM UTC-5, ctifusion wrote:
>
> I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love them. 
> And they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right place when 
> they brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a wide drop 
> bar into production.
>
> I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. 
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Brynnar
> Indy
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New shoes (and rims) for the Sam Hillborne

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the info! The mill finish sounds interesting; I'll have the 
buyer at my LBS give them a call.

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:12:06 PM UTC-5, comveo wrote:
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> There is a way to get some non-polished silver action on just about any 
> Velocity rim, but you'll have to ask them. As a shop owner, I've asked to 
> have rims left with their "mill finish" which, while not true ano, has a 
> very classy look in it's own right. I have some raw Atlas rims on my 
> Appaloosa and boy are they purdy. Timing is everything with this option 
> however, as they have to deliberately set them aside before finishing as 
> usual. 
>
> Hope this helps! Ain't bikes fun? : )
>

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[RBW] Re: New shoes (and rims) for the Sam Hillborne

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree, Brett. I ran the 700x50 Cazadero tubeless on the Ti Fargo that I 
built last year until I switched to the 2.25 Maxxis Ikon when I had a Blunt 
SS wheelset built a few months ago. I want to have a silver tubeless 
wheelset built for my Atlantis so I can swap the 700x42 Cazaderos for the 
50s.

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[RBW] Re: New shoes (and rims) for the Sam Hillborne

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Beautiful bike, James!  Your wheelset would be perfect for my Atlantis. 
Maybe next year?

I wish Velocity would offer their Quill and Cliffhanger in a silver 
anodized option; the polished silver costs more than I'm willing to spend. 
They make a wheelset for Rivendell with silver Cliffhangers, but I would 
rather have a custom wheelset with better hubs. I'm also waiting for the 
700x50 Gravelking SK that I heard rumors about last year...

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[RBW] Re: 58 Appaloosa Build (a tale of two bike frames)

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful bikes, Hugh. I was in Walnut Creek a few weeks ago and rode their 
55 Appaloosa demo with the new Billie bar. With a PBH of 89 cm, it puts me 
right on the bubble between the 55 and 58 Appaloosa. While the 55 did fit, 
the cockpit seemed short, and I would have preferred the shorter seatpost 
and stem height of the 58. I already have an Atlantis, so I am going to 
resist the Appaloosa for now, but I thought it would make a handsome 
fat-tired singlespeed for my stable.

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[RBW] Re: Velocity customer service

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Was it a 130 or 135 spacing? I emailed Velocity last year and they told me 
that they do not make silver 135 hubs. My Atlantis deserves a better 
wheelset, but I think Rivs look better in silver than black.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 8:47:45 AM UTC-6, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I want to once again publicly plug velocity for there customer service.  I 
> got a new rear wheel for my quickbeam and really wanted a 36h silver hub 
> which they don't stock anymore because nobody orders them so I was content 
> with the 36h black.  Well I just opened the box and I am surprised and 
> delighted to find an atlas wheel laced to a 36h SILVER hub.  If you're in 
> the market for new wheels buy velocity, and thru Riv when possible.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway
> www.ChicaGoByBoat.com  
> @svnightswimming
>
>

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[RBW] Re: re bar-end shifters on dirt-drop handlebars

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am riding 46 cm Salsa Cowchippers on my new Ti Fargo. I do most of my 
riding in the drops, so I set the bars where I want them and stick the 
shifters in the ends. The flare out just like the bars, and I always know 
where they are.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-6, Jim S. wrote:
>
> This is a small point, but the type of thing that I ponder in my free 
> time. I am trying out some dirt-drop style handlebars that flare out at the 
> ends of the drops. Do folks with these bars angle their bar-end shifters so 
> that they are consistent with the flare of the bars, or do they angle the 
> shifters so that they are on a plane perpendicular to the ground? I think 
> they'll shift fine either way. 
>
> But I'm wondering if there are any practical considerations for one way 
> versus the other, in addition to people's opinions on the aesthetics.
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell at Dirty Kanza

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In the comments, he says that is a 51.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell at Dirty Kanza

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Yes. This was the bike. I didn't get a chance to talk to him because there 
were so many people coming through at the time.

There are a lot more scrapes and bruises on me than the bike, but I was 
able to walk away. Might be able to ride next week after I buy a new helmet.

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 11:16:08 AM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:

> Was it this rider/bike?
>
> https://www.instagram.com/dharmawheelie/
>
> Sorry to hear about your crash, hope you came out unscathed. 
>
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Rivendell at Dirty Kanza

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I saw my first Appaloosa last weekend. I crashed my Fargo at mile 75, so I 
was standing at the finish line checking out bikes and congratulating 
friends as they finished the 207 mile race. As a group of riders passed 
through, I noticed the unusual fork crown on a very dirty lugged steel 
bike; I didn't recognize the bike and it was too dirty to read the decal on 
the head tube. At first I thought it was a custom built frame, but the lugs 
screamed Rivendell. This was the only Riv that I saw, but there are usually 
a few that ride some of the shorter DK routes.

My Fargo frame is twisted and bent, so I am going to start building my new 
Ti Fargo sooner than I had anticipated. I'm just glad that I wasn't riding 
the Atlantis when I crashed.

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[RBW] 2017 RAGBRAI

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We may ride the Powderkeg from Clear Lake to Cresco, but we haven't committed 
yet. We rode the Santana in 2014 and I lost the desire to ever ride RAGBRAI 
again because of the heavy/slow bike traffic. Clear Lake is an awesome party 
town and the route is too close to home to not take advantage of. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

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I have no experience with the Motolites. I needed a v-brake that would work 
with drop bar brake levers. If I didn't have a stoker on the back, I think 
I could have stood the Santana on the front wheel; those brakes saved our 
lives more than once...

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:10:43 PM UTC-5, René wrote:

> Thank you both for the feedback. 
>
> Do you think the braking power of the MiniMotos is the same as the 
> Motolites? I know the Minis are for canti levers and the Motolites are for 
> long pull levers, but I'm talking about pure braking power. Are they the 
> same or is the longer Motolites with the longer cable pull more powerful?
>
> René 
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:04 AM 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ray. I replaced the vintage STI/Erickson Gizmo and XT 
>> v-brakes/travel agents on my 20y/o Santana with Gevenalle Audax shifters 
>> and Paul MiniMotos. The drum brake was controlled by the captain with a 
>> Shimano friction bar end shifter. I have disc brakes on my Fargo, Pugsley, 
>> and Powderkeg, and I don't think they stop any better than the MiniMotos. 
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[RBW] Re: Braking for Tandems - from the Santana website

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I agree with Ray. I replaced the vintage STI/Erickson Gizmo and XT 
v-brakes/travel agents on my 20y/o Santana with Gevenalle Audax shifters 
and Paul MiniMotos. The drum brake was controlled by the captain with a 
Shimano friction bar end shifter. I have disc brakes on my Fargo, Pugsley, 
and Powderkeg, and I don't think they stop any better than the MiniMotos. 

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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

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I found them here, but not on their website.

https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=79786&category=4190

On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 8:01:09 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I didn't know the MSO came in a 50mm size and Clement 
> doesn't even list it on their website.  I see that Black Mountain Cycles 
> has one left in stock.  Is it brand new or something that is being 
> discontinued?
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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

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I have heard rumors of a Soma Cazadero in 700x50. The Terrene Honali 700x50 
was announced last week, and you couldn't go wrong with the Clemet MSO 
700x50 if they roll as well as the 40s.

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[RBW] Re: Rivet Pearl or C17 Carved

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The Rivit Pearl looks intriguing, but I have had too many issues with 
leather saddles stretching after 100+ sweaty miles. I have been replacing 
my Selle Anatomica Titantico X with Cambium C17 Carved, but it gets 
expensive. My Cambium shows no sign of the cracking/splitting that I have 
seen on the internet, and the cover material is holding up very well.

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[RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

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I was hoping that it would be closer to the Rodeo than my Soma San Marcos, 
but Grant thinks that it would duplicate it without the lugs and double top 
tube. I'm still looking forward to seeing the Roadini, I just won't buy one.

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[RBW] Re: Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

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I ride a 61 cm Atlantis at 5'11" and 170 lbs. All of my drop bar bikes have 
46 cm bars on them. Nitto Noodle & Soba, Soma Hwy 1, Salsa Cowbell, and my 
favorite Salsa Cowchipper.

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:17:28 AM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Building up an Atlantis, and I'm putting Noodles on it. Should I go wider 
> than 44 cm? I'll mostly be using it on roads.
>
> Thanks!
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Our old Santana has a triple XT crankset with 54-44-28 and 12-32 8-speed 
cassette. We use the 44 unless we are going down hill or enjoying a 
tailwind.

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 9:24:24 PM UTC-6, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Any other listers want to chime in on drivetrain choices for their 
> upcoming HubbaHubbah tandem?
>
> I'm on the fence with my chainring choices...
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tubeless on Atlas rims?

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This where I go for tubeless tire info:
http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2016/03/ww4m-tubeless-tire-tips.html
http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2016/03/ww4m-tubeless-tire-tips-questions.html


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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

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Wednesday night I was riding with the local club road ride and I sat up and 
let go of the bars at about 19 mph, and the bars wobbled like crazy. Today 
I was riding gravel at about 15 mph, and there wasn't a hint of shimmy when 
I sat up and let go of the bars. I ride lower tire pressure on gravel than 
pavement, so I think I will watch it closer if the new parts don't cure the 
problem. I ordered an IRD RollerDrive headset from Soma and it will replace 
the current headset as soon as my Fargo is back on the road.

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

-

>
> 
>
>
> 
> I am a bicycle rider, not mechanic, so I may have misunderstood when I was 
> told about the spacer being installed. My mechanical skills are limited to 
> basic maintenance and adjustments and I usually let the pros do the 
> complicated stuff. I am going to try and attach a photo of the headset and 
> maybe one of you can tell me which spacer was installed. The mechanic that 
> installed it had the day off when I picked up the bike so he wasn't able to 
> point it out to me. If I get all of my chores done today, I may get a 
> chance to ride the Atlantis tomorrow and play with tire pressures and 
> saddle adjustments. I have a Velo-Orange seatpost that is setback further 
> than the Nitto that I may swap out and see if it helps.
>

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John's post just reminded me that I swapped the Sele Anatomica for a Brooks 
Cambium. There is a big difference in rail lengths on these saddles and 
that would certainly change how the frame is loaded.

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

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This bike has descended hills on SE Minnesota and NE Iowa gravel roads at 
over 40 mph with no problems, but I haven't had a chance to try those hills 
since the spacer was put in last Winter. It is the low speed without hands 
wobble that Bill describes that is bothering me. Since the needle bearing 
headset appears to be more of a band aide than a cure, I am going to hold 
off throwing parts at the bike until I try changing tire pressures or even 
swap out the Cazaderos for  a set of Schwalbe Dureme that I have laying 
around. Thanks again everyone!

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is a 61 cm Atlantis. The tire pressure looks like a good place to 
start experimenting. I have been running the Cazadero at about 30-35 psi on 
the front because of our chunky gravel roads. The seatbag and contents 
probably weigh less than a pound, but I may try to see how a handlebar bag 
affects the shimmy. Thanks for your replies!

>
>

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[RBW] Toyo Atlantis Shimmy ???

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>From the beginning: The original owner purchased it as a frameset in '99 
because at the time, the future of the Atlantis was questionable. He built 
the bike and never rode it because he found a Waterford that he liked 
better. I bought it barely used a few years ago and have put a few thousand 
miles (mostly gravel) on it. The headset would never stay tight no matter 
how hard I dared wrench on the locknut. I took it to a LBS and they removed 
the headset and machined the frame so that the headset would fit better. I 
rode it for a year, and I still had problems with it loosening. I then took 
it to another LBS and they installed a spacer (seems like the headset might 
have bottomed out on the threads???). I now have a tight headset, but 
I also have a shimmy when I let go of the handlebars. I used to be able 
to ride this bike without hands at any speed, but now it wobbles, even at 
10 mph. I don't have any load on the bike except a small seatbag for 
tubes/tools, and the tires are the same Soma Cazadero from last year.

Any suggestions on what might be causing the shimmy or how to fix it? Shall 
I replace it with a NeedleBlasteur from the Riv site and see what happens?

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The headset on my Toyo-built Atlantis would never stay tight, so the LBS 
machined the headtube when they tore it down to reapply Frame Saver. It 
still didn't stay tight, so another LBS added a spacer because the headset 
apparently ran out of threads on the fork. If I were to replace the 
headset, I would go with the needle bearing Tange.

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Any Gevenalle users?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I replaced the vintage Ultegra brifters with the Audax shifters on our 
tandem a few years ago. I wasn't able to use bar-end shifters because we 
already had a lever for the drum brake in the end of the bar. The shifters 
work perfect in friction mode on the 3x8 derailleurs.

The shifters are in front of the brake levers, so you don't even know they 
are there until you reach for them to shift.

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-6, Jack Doran wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I saw the Gevenalle shifters at NAHBS last week and have been considering 
> giving their Audax model a go. I really like the Paul thumbies for 
> providing a means of friction shifting near my hand position on Alba bars, 
> and I am interested in getting something similar on drop bars.  
>
> So I'm wondering if any of you have experience with the Gevenalle design. 
> Is there much of a learning curve? Any issues with the shifters interfering 
> with braking when you're riding on the hoods? 
>
> Jack
>

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[RBW] Dirty Kanza

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Good luck, Chad !!!  I signed up for the 200 this year after finishing the last 
two DK100s. I doubt if I will ride the Atlantis this year; I've got my eye on a 
leftover Fargo 2. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis 61cm

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Thanks, Chad. I am toying with the idea of a Bantam Enduro Allroad, but I am 
not sure I am willing to wait a year for the frame. I am planning on riding DK 
this year, and I may even attempt the 200 instead of the 100. Looking forward 
to finishing Odin's Revenge this year too.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis 61cm

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I may have to sell this 2009 Toyo built Atlantis to fund a custom gravel 
rig that I have been dreaming about. I have changed a few things and put 
quite a few miles on it since taking this photo, but it is the best pic 
that I had without the frame bag.  Let me know if you want more info...

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:27:52 PM UTC-6, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> Looking for a frame. I have a 64 that I purchased from Riv last year and 
> have always felt that it's a little too big. Am willing to sell my frame to 
> help purchase a 61. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis 61cm

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I may have to sell this 2009 Toyo built Atlantis to fund a custom gravel 
rig that I have been dreaming about. I have changed a few things and put 
quite a few miles on it since taking this photo, but it is the best pic 
that I had without the frame bag.  Let me know if you want more info...

[URL=http://s464.photobucket.com/user/WFRTony/media/2009%20Toyo%20Riv%20Atlantis.jpg.html][IMG]http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/2009%20Toyo%20Riv%20Atlantis.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:27:52 PM UTC-6, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> Looking for a frame. I have a 64 that I purchased from Riv last year and 
> have always felt that it's a little too big. Am willing to sell my frame to 
> help purchase a 61. Thanks!

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[RBW] Almost OT, Mini Moto vs Neo Retro

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The mini-moto work very well on my old Santana Noventa; they saves our lives 
twice on RAGBRAI last year.

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[RBW] Next Bomba Tire

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http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/cazadero-tires-700c650b-x-42mm

I have about 1000 miles on the 700 version and I have been extremely happy with 
the performance on gravel, pavement, and dirt. They are smoother and quieter 
than the R&R.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

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My garage, oldest to newest:

1984 Ross Mt. Hood
1996 Santana Noventa
2009 Rivendell Atlantis
2011 Soma San Marcos
2011 Surly Long Haul Trucker

+ pick-up, snowblower, and two lawnmowers.

The wife has her own garage...



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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

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It really is a nice shirt!!!

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 7:32:31 PM UTC-5, Wildcat96 wrote:
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> http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2015/06/dirty-kanza-200-epilogue.html 
>
> Nice shirt Tony!

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[RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

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Would the NFE make a better 100+ mile gravel grinder than my Atlantis?  At 
170 lbs, I really don't need such a stout bike, and I would probably be in 
better shape at the end of the day on something lighter and sportier. The 
geometry is different, but it looks like I would be able to get the 
handlebars level with my 79 cm seat height on a stock x-large.

I am currently riding a 61 cm Atlantis.
http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/RivAtlantis0520015.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

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The 40x700 Schwalbe Duremes are pretty good for fair weather DK, but they 
were less than ideal for the soft muddy spots, so I ordered a set of Soma 
Cazaderos last night for the Oden's Revenge at the end of the month.  My 
traveling partner, Guitar Ted, built a set of 650b+ wheels for his Fargo, 
and he was pretty happy with the way his bike performed.

My Paul's Touring Canti brakes caught a lot of mud and grass while walking 
through the muddy section, but I saw disc braked and fat bikes having just 
as much trouble as I did.  The fat bikes were picking up mud by the pound 
and dumping it on the drive train; I can't imaging how many rear 
derailleurs were ruined in the first 15 miles.

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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

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I wish I had seen this before I left town Thursday morning.  I rode my 
Atlantis on the Half-Pint again this year; though much slower than last 
year. The 3 miles of walking and 40 miles of headwind on the soggy roads 
really took it's toll on me.  Looking forward to riding again next year, 
but I might not be riding the Riv. 

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:36:43 AM UTC-5, Wildcat96 wrote:
>
> I chickened out last minute and will be doing the 50 mile "Fun Ride" this 
> year.  Sounds like it's going to be a mudfest!  I'll be riding my Sage 
> Green Sam.  If anyone from this list is going and wants to hook up, my cell 
> is 913-406-5830.

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

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I don't have much experience with the Sam, but my San Marcos is a much 
nicer ride than my LHT.  You may want to try different tires before you buy 
another frame.

BTW, your LHT brakes won't fit on the San Marcos or the newer Sams.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:40:58 PM UTC-5, Mike Troxell wrote:
>
> I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want 
> something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with 
> but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or 
> Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's 
> components to one of them?
>

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[RBW] Re: aghast by Rivendells aeropressing technique.

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I think you guys are trying too hard.  My Aeropress has never made a bad 
cup of coffee.  My technique for 15 oz of americano:

fill the tea pot with water from the Brita pitcher.
invert the Aeropress with the plunger set on 4
dump 2 heaping scoops of dark roast beans in the grinder set on 'fine' 
grind the beans and dump them in the press
when the tea pot whistles, fill the press within 1/2 inch of the top and 
stir for a few seconds
let it sit for a while
attach the filter (I use a stainless filter)
flip it over and place it on top of your cup
slowly press all of the coffee and air into your cup
add the remaining water from the tea pot until the cup is full


>

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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

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I signed up for the Half Pint again.  I have no desire to pedal a bicycle 
more than 111 miles on those roads no matter how nice the weather is.  I 
rode my Atlantis on Schwalbe Duremes 700x40 with 40 psi F, and 45 psi R.  I 
am going to experiment with lower pressures before I ride this year, 
because the vibration on my hands wore me out.  I rode my San Marcos on 
part of the Almonzo course two years ago on Jack Brown Blues and it was not 
as comfortable or fast as the Atlantis.

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[RBW] Re: 44 noodle vs. 42 Highway One

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I have a 46 Noodle on my San Marcos, 46 Highway One on my Santana, 46 Soba 
on my Atlantis, and 46 Salsa Cowbell on my LHT.  I like them all, and I 
don't know if I would be able to pick a favorite.  They all have 
Tektro/Cane Creek/Retro Shift brake levers which is were I ride most of the 
time.  I keep my bars level with the saddle, so I am comfortable in the 
drops on all of these bicycles.

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:53:23 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I was enjoying the Soma Highway One bar, but while experimenting with my 
> new Compass tires on my Roadeo and then my Hampsten SBTi, I have come to 
> the realization that the 44 Noodle is best for me. It just offers me more 
> positions on the bar. GP was right all along. My Soba 44cm is going back on 
> my Roadeo until I change my mind again.
>

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[RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

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Last Summer I put together a beautiful LHT that I haven't ridden since I 
bought my Atlantis.   The only experience I have with the Sam is a quick 
ride around the block in Walnut Creek a few years ago; I wish I had taken 
it for a longer ride.  The double top tube does not bother me, but I prefer 
cantilever or v-brakes over the caliper brakes offered on the new Sams.

Jim has a good point regarding the threadless vs threaded fork, because 
there are so many more handle bar options available.  I am still trying to 
figure out how to adjust the headset preload on my Atlantis.


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[RBW] Re: All Rounder available - help me before it disappears

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Larry,

I also have an 89cm PBH @ 6' tall.  I ride a 61 Atlantis, 59 San Marcos, 60 
LHT, and 60 Santana Noventa.  They all fit well, but the Atlantis is my 
favorite.  I bought it last Summer off of this list, like new and 
completely built (w/o wheels or saddle) as I would have for myself for 
$2000.

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[RBW] Re: Fat tire Atlantis!

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I love it !!!  Which rims are you running?  Tubes or tubeless?

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

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The Atlantis deserves a better wheelset, but it will have to wait; the 
tandem's wheels are on their last leg.

My "poor mans" Atlantis (Surly LHT)
60
28# with Pletscher rack
Sugino triple
9-speed
Tektro CR720 brakes
Tektro levers
Shimano bar-ends
WTB Shadow-V saddle
Thudbuster ST seatpost
Salsa Cowbell 2 bars
Cane Creek S6 headset
Truativ stem
Shimano DX spd pedals
Mavic T52 rims 32 spokes
Shimano XT hubs
Schwalbe Dureme 700x42
King SS bottle cages
Newbaum's cloth tape

I built this bike about a month before I found my Atlantis.  It has been 
hanging in the garage since.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

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Oops !!!

I had my eyes dilated for an eye exam this morning before I weighed the 
bikes.  The Atlantis and Santana weights are correct, but the Sam Marcos is 
26.5 pounds.  I thought 21.5 was too good to be true.  Sorry for the bum 
scoop...

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

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I was happy with my gravel grinding Atlantis until I saw Bill's 21# Stag. 
 I will post the build and if anyone sees a reasonable way to save weight, 
I am open to suggestions.  I was really impressed with how light the San 
Marcos is.

Atlantis
61
26# with Nitto R-14
Sugino triple
9-speed
Paul's Touring Retro brakes
Shimano bar-ends
Cane Creek levers
Sele Anatomica Titantico-X
Soba bars
Nitto stem
Nitto seat post
Shimano XT spd pedals
Mavic A119 rims 36 spokes
Shimano LX hubs
Continental SpeedRIDE 700x42 tires
King SS bottle cages
brass bell, Garmin mount, Newbaum's cloth tape

Soma San Marcos
59
21.5# with kickstand, frame pump, and Brand V seat bag
Sugino triple crankset
9-speed
Tektro side-pull brakes
Cane Creek levers
Shimano bar-ends
Selle Anatomico Titantico-X
Noodle bars
Nitto stem
Nitto seatpost
Shimano XT spd pedals
Velocity Synergy rims 32-spoke
Shimano 105 hubs
Jack Brown Blue 
King SS bottle cages
bell, Garmin mount, and Newbaum's cloth tape

1996 Santana Noventa
60 x 47 fillet-brazed Columbus Encore
48# with Jandd rack
Custom built for a 6'5" x 5'4" 400# team, but it fits our 6' x 5'3" 300# 
team well enough.  Saving up for a new (lighter) set of wheels.

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Recommend all silver triple FD for Bleriot build please.

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I love the IRD Alpina-d on my Atlantis.  I plan on replacing the Microshift 
FD on my San Marcos with one.

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/derailers-front.html

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:01:11 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Any ideas? Need 28.6 clamp. 
> I hope to use the SunXCD rear derailer.
> Too bad their FD is braze on only or I would get the set.
> I have Sugino XD triple. 113bb.
> But looking for all silver triple front derailer. New.
> Thanks for any leads.

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on RAGBRAI

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My wife and I will be riding the lavender tandem through Friday.  I may 
ride the San Marcos on Saturday, but I will probably ride the Atlantis on 
the Guitar Ted Death Ride Invitational, a 100+ mile gravel tour in NE Iowa. 
 I will keep my eyes peeled for you and your girlfriend.

On Friday, July 18, 2014 5:20:17 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I'm riding the whole RAGBRAI  next week; I'll be on 
> my red Riv Road and my girlfriend on her Soma San Marcos.
>
> Any other Rivendellians joining the circus this week?
>
> Tim Gavin
>

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[RBW] Re: My Riv-ish Burley Tandem Build

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I seem to have forgotten how to post photos...



The Mini Motos will work with standard drop bar levers.  If my bike had 
> canti brakes, I probably would have been satisfied with just the Kool Stop 
> pads, but I wanted to eliminate the travel agents and I always wanted to 
> try out the Mini Motos. 
>
>  I was trying to talk my wife into moustache bars and a Brooks Flyer, but 
> she seems to be satisfied with the original Nitto bars and my old Selle 
> Anatomica.  I bought her a Thudbuster ST to take the bite out of the bumps, 
> but her legs are too short.
>



>

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[RBW] Re: My Riv-ish Burley Tandem Build

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On Monday, June 30, 2014 3:10:43 PM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>
>
> [IMG]http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/TandemDuffy614.jpg[/IMG] 
> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fs464.photobucket.com%2Fuser%2FWFRTony%2Fmedia%2FTandemDuffy614.jpg.html%255D%255BIMG%255Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fi464.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Frr7%2FWFRTony%2FTandemDuffy614.jpg%255B%2FIMG%255D%255B%2FURL&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF8sDER2L0ITg2Rk2G-hJXbel-aVA>
>
> The Mini Motos will work with standard drop bar levers.  If my bike had 
> canti brakes, I probably would have been satisfied with just the Kool Stop 
> pads, but I wanted to eliminate the travel agents and I always wanted to 
> try out the Mini Motos. 
>
>  I was trying to talk my wife into moustache bars and a Brooks Flyer, but 
> she seems to be satisfied with the original Nitto bars and my old Selle 
> Anatomica.  I bought her a Thudbuster ST to take the bite out of the bumps, 
> but her legs are too short.
>

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[RBW] Re: My Riv-ish Burley Tandem Build

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[URL=http://s464.photobucket.com/user/WFRTony/media/TandemDuffy614.jpg.html][IMG]http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/TandemDuffy614.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

The Mini Motos will work with standard drop bar levers.  If my bike had 
canti brakes, I probably would have been satisfied with just the Kool Stop 
pads, but I wanted to eliminate the travel agents and I always wanted to 
try out the Mini Motos. 

 I was trying to talk my wife into moustache bars and a Brooks Flyer, but 
she seems to be satisfied with the original Nitto bars and my old Selle 
Anatomica.  I bought her a Thudbuster ST to take the bite out of the bumps, 
but her legs are too short.

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[RBW] Re: My Riv-ish Burley Tandem Build

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I upgraded the shifters and brakes on my '96 Santana from Ultegra 600 STI 
shifters with Erickson Gizmo and XT V-brakes with travel agent to Retro 
Shift Audax and Paul's Mini Moto.  It was a huge improvement in both 
shifting (friction) and braking.  I installed Shimano M-324 SPD pedals so 
my wife could clip in and avoid loosing her pedals as we learned how to 
work together.  She is a masher and I prefer to spin, so I do a lot of 
shifting to help her pedal in circles instead of squares.  If we are still 
speaking to each other after RAGBRAI, we are going to have to decide 
whether we want to refurb the Santana or spec out a new one.

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[RBW] Re: I "raced" my Riv.

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chad,
I can't believe I rode by without noticing your bike!!!  I must have had 
the tunnel vision going with the road being so crowded early in the race. 
 How did the Sam perform on the rough roads with your tire choice and 
mustache bars?  I was amazed at how stable the Atlantis was in the rough 
stuff and how fast and far I was able to coast down the hills.  The 
vibrations from the stiff tires with too much air pressure really wore on 
me towards the end of the race; I might wrap a layer of cork tape on the 
handlebars to see if it absorbs some of the vibrations.  Fortunately the 
roads smoothed out for the last 20-30 miles.  I am sorry to hear about your 
mechanical problems; you will have to give it a try again next year.

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[RBW] Re: I "raced" my Riv.

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here are links to pictures of the race:
You do not need a facebook account to view these pics.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.664251316961829.1073741948.357965467590417&type=1

http://adventuremonkey.com/blog/dirty-kanza-200-2014-edition


>
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[RBW] Re: I "raced" my Riv.

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris,
I would guestimate 25% of the bikes had MTB bars.  Most of the bicycles 
were 'cross bikes and Salsa Vaya, Fargo, or Warbird.  There were several 
x-country type MTB, some hybrids, a few fat bikes, off-road tandems, and 
regular road bikes.

Jim M.,
A lot of the serious gravel racers that I know run tubeless.  They tell me 
that they can run lower tire pressures and not have to worry about pinching 
the tube when they hit something harsh.

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[RBW] Re: I "raced" my Riv.

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This photo was taken at the top of a very steep climb.  The gravel looks 
pretty tame in the pic, but the slope I had just climbed was covered with 
huge slabs of rock that I had to go over instead of picking a line through. 
 Ride with GPS list 3800' of elevation for the Half Pint, but my Garmin 
only measured a little over 3400'.  I was able to ride the whole course in 
the middle ring with a 11-34 cassette.  I used the small ring several times 
on the Almonzo because there was many more long and steep hills with my 
Garmin measuring over 5400' in 102 miles.


I rode the Duremes because they were already on the bike and I had heard 
horror stories of the razor-like flint cutting tires to shreds; I saw 
scores of cyclists changing flats.  Before the race, I had thought about 
buying a Rawland Stag and using some of the parts off of the Trucker to 
make a dedicated gravel grinder, but I think I will upgrade the wheelset on 
the Atlantis and try some of the new gravel tires that are hitting the 
market.  The Clement MSO was by far the most popular tire and I will 
seriously consider these when I get the new wheels.  I took this picture of 
my bike after I got back to the dorm room at ESU...

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[RBW] I "raced" my Riv.

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Atlantis was not the only Rivendell in the Almonzo 100, but I am pretty 
sure that there was not another Riv in the Dirty Kanza 200 or Half Pint. 
 The bike performed flawlessly except for my sloppy friction shifting.   
About a year ago, I drove up to Spring Valley, MN and rode with Jim Thill 
and a bunch of country bike cyclist on the Almonzo 100 course.  After that 
experience, I decided that gravel was a lot safer and more scenic than 
riding on pavement.  I built a Surly LHT into a gravel grinder and started 
riding with Guitar Ted on Saturday mornings for a 3-hour gravel ride.  I 
found the Atlantis on this forum and realized that it was a much nicer ride 
than the Trucker; the Surly has been hanging in the garage since.

I wasn't out to win, just finish.  I haven't heard where I placed in the 
Almonzo, but I finished the DK Half Pint in the top 1/4 of the starters and 
the top 1/3 of the finishers.  I carried too much stuff, and should have 
run lower air pressure in the tires.  I was afraid of pinch flats on the 
cattle grates, but I was able to wheelie or hop the bike over most of them. 
 After the race, one of the more experienced riders suggested 35# in the 
front and 40# in the back; I was running 45# in both of the Schwalbe Dureme 
700cX40.  I am looking forward to trying the Half Pint (111 miles) again 
next year, but I doubt if I will ever do the 200.  After 8 hours of gravel, 
wind, hills, heat, and sun, I am ready to get off of the bike.


I love this bike and really love passing guys half my age on carbon fiber 
'cross bikes...

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[RBW] Re: Ghost shift on a 61cm Atlantis?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My 61cm Toyo Atlantis will ghost shift, but I always assumed that it was my 
sloppy shifting or the rough terrain that I was riding over.  I did tighten 
up the Shimano bar-end shifters just in case that was the problem, but it 
will still ghost shift now and then.  I just correct it and keep on 
pedaling...
FWIW:  9-speed and Shimano XT RD with <1000 miles


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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If cavemen were dying at the age of 20, what were they dying of and who was 
rearing their children?

I am 10 lbs heavier than when I put the bicycles away last Fall, but my 
health is good and I'm still seeing ribs, abs, and veins when I look in the 
mirror.  I cut sugar, grain, phoney fat, and processed food out of my diet 
almost two years ago and so far it has been working for me.  Dairy is my 
friend and I consume it like a Holstein calf.  I eat a lot of eggs and wild 
game as well as meat from the grocery store; pink salmon and tuna come in 
foil packets and are easy to carry on the bike.  I also eat a variety of 
vegetables and a big salad everyday.

My wife is a medical lab technician and she gripes about my cholesterol 
numbers (>200), but my HDL is high and my triglycerides are very low.  My 
BP is around 110/ and my resting pulse averages around 50.  I am still able 
to fight fire, hunt and pedal with guys 20-30 years younger than me, so I 
am going to stick with this lifestyle until I see a reason to change.  The 
biggest benefit to cutting the grain and artificial sweeteners out of my 
diet are the lack of bloating and flatulence.

I am going to ride my Atlantis in the Almonzo 100 this weekend; 100 miles 
of self-supported gravel in SE Minnesota.  Nutrition on such a long ride is 
going to be tricky, especially with all of the hills.  I am going to carry 
salmon, walnuts, pumpkin seeds and string cheese on the bike and I hope to 
find a bottle or two of V8 at a convenience store on the route.

My San Marcos seems lighter and climbs better than the Atlantis, but the 
Atlantis handles the rough stuff better and the big tires are more 
comfortable and stable.  I am not going to weigh either bike...

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wish my stoker would lose 25 lbs, but I sure as hell ain't going to tell 
her so.  The Santana is heavy, and I have no plans for trying to make it 
lighter.  I guess I am just going to have to pedal harder...

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.
>
> From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
> really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
> lbs.
> I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
> than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.
>
> But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo first ride impressions

[Tony McG]

Beautiful bike, Paul.  A few years ago, I thought that a Soma San Marcos 
would give be enough of a Riv fix to get me by for a while.  Since I bought 
the Atlantis last Summer, I have been tempted to see what the other end of 
the Riv spectrum is like.  At 6', 170 lbs, and 89 PBH, it is nice to know 
that the 61 is the way to go (my Atlantis is also a 61).

How is the reach to the down-tube bosses and what is the length of the stem 
that you are using?   I have talked to cyclist that have ridden both the 
San Marcos and the Rambouillet, but I have never heard of a comparison 
between the San Marcos and the Rodeo.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?

[Tony McG]

A few years ago, Grant mentioned a Riv tandem, but he wasn't sure that 
there would be enough demand because of the cost.  We bought a used custom 
1996 Santana Noventa (fillet brazed Columbus Nivacrom) built for a couple 
in Denver, CO.  I had a hard time finding a used tandem that would give me 
high enough handlebars and accommodate the 16cm difference in saddle 
height.  My wife doesn't ride in the drops because of a few fused vertebrae 
in her neck, so was thinking about trying moustache bars and a Brooks Flyer 
to make her ride more comfortable.  I tried to fit a Thudbuster ST under 
her saddle, but her legs are too short.  I am pretty sure that I can fit a 
700x32 tire without having the wheel tweaked.  I may upgrade the brakes to 
Paul Mini-Moto before the big ride.  Here is a link to a pic of the 
Lavender Limo...

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/005.jpg

RAGBRAI is going to be flat and short this year, so we hope to ride the 
Tandem for the first 6 days and I will switch to my San Marcos for the last 
day through the hills.

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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Tony McG]

Sounds like a good time, Jim.  Looking forward to riding with the Twin 
Cities folks again.
>
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[RBW] Re: Loosen your valve nuts if you haven't in a while...

[Tony McG]

Rule 
#
60 
// Ditch the washer-nut and valve-stem cap.

You are not, under any circumstances, to employ the use of the washer-nut 
and valve-stem cap that come with your inner-tubes or tubulars. They are 
only supplied to meet shipping regulations. They are useless when it comes 
to tubes and tires.
Copied from:  http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/


The nuts on my valve stems are usually loose, and I just spin them down 
finger-tight when I check my tire pressure before a ride.  I rarely follow 
"The Rules of the Road".

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma Grand Randonnee, from a Rivendell perspective

[Tony McG]

"us" would be the Rene Herse Store

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:06:49 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 11/12/2013 12:04 PM, Tony McG wrote:
>  
> From the ReneHersestore: 
>
>  
> *Please allow about 10 days for your frame to ship - we are just catching 
> up on prepping them. *
> Also - there is discussion about the fork's crown race diameter.  When you 
> purchase the frame from us we machine down the crown race so it is the 
> typical 26.4 seat diameter.
>  
>
> Who is "us" in this context, Tony?
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Soma Grand Randonnee, from a Rivendell perspective

[Tony McG]

>From the ReneHersestore:


*Please allow about 10 days for your frame to ship - we are just catching 
up on prepping them.*
Also - there is discussion about the fork's crown race diameter.  When you 
purchase the frame from us we machine down the crown race so it is the 
typical 26.4 seat diameter.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:54:51 AM UTC-6, Jim Cloud wrote:
>
> Something else to consider for the current production run of the Soma 
> Randonneur frame set is this caveat from their website:
>
> *NOTE: First production has a error with the fork's crown race interface. 
> It fits JIS(27.0) 1" threaded headsets, not the more popular ISO (26.4mm). 
> If you think you are OK with a JIS headset 
> (http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/headsets/headsets-1-inch-threaded-jis.html 
> ) 
> go ahead and purchase, but if not please wait for the next batch. Thanks.*
>
> If this is a problem for you, it might be best to wait for the "next 
> batch" as the statement indicates.
>
> Jim
>
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:15:31 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Why, as a discerning Rivendell owner, should I not like this bike?  It 
>> comes in a 65cm and it costs $489 for a frame and fork.
>>
>> Obviously, it's not lugged, but I have other bikes that aren't lugged.
>> The chain stays are non-ideal at 42cm.  (my Riv has 46cm chainstays!)
>> The bend on the front fork is not so pretty like on a Riv.
>> I'm a bit concerned about the top tube being only 61cm in the 65cm size. 
>>  But could probably be compensated for partially with a stem that has more 
>> horizontal run to it, or an offset seatpost, or both.
>>
>> Other than that, I'm finding it hard not to want to get this frame.  I'm 
>> thinking of culling the herd and buying one.  I have a few bikes that I 
>> don't really use enough to keep that could probably add up to $489 or more. 
>>  I have a lot - a lot! of parts on hand in various areas of a bicycle so 
>> wouldnt need to acquire much.
>>
>> The plan has been to convert my Riv to 650b but I could just leave it 
>> alone at 700c and buy the Soma to put the 650b stuff on to.
>>
>> Hmm.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need dirt road riding tips...

[Tony McG]

I prefer to pedal in a higher gear on dirt/gravel than I do on pavement; 
not quite mashing, but definitely not spinning.  Hang on to the handlebars 
tightly, but keep your elbows and shoulders loose to absorb the bumps. 
 Beware of wet grass because I have had my rear wheel pass me when I 
transferred my weight to the pedals from the saddle.

 
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[RBW] Re: POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Tony McG]

My Atlantis and San Marcos have gray housing, but the Mt Hood, Noventa, and 
LHT have black because that is all that is available at the local bike 
shops.  When I was changing the stem and shifter location (thumby to bar 
end) on the Atlantis, I ended up purchasing the Yokozuna kit from Rivendell 
because my OCD wouldn't let me mix housing colors.

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:09:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> 1. You like gray or black on your Rivendell?
> 2. You like silver, or brass colored ferrules like Riv does?
>  
> Noticed that Riv builds have gray housing with brass ferrules. Was 
> wondering why they use that combo.
> Seems like it stands out less on a bike than black housing does. What a 
> cool idea. Don't know if they really do it for that reason.
>  
> So was wondering what everyone's preference was for their Rivendells.
>  
> My answers:
> 1. Gray
> 2. Brass.
>  
> I hope to put gray on my Bleriot soon. it has black now. I like the gray 
> on my Sam.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Tony McG]

I have been very happy with my San Marcos.  I have never ridden a 
Rambouillet, but I have talked with people who have and the biggest 
difference that they have commented on is that the San Marcos frame is 
stiffer.  I am 6' tall with an 89 cm pbh and I am riding a 59 San Marcos 
with a 7 cm stem; the handlebars are level with the 79 cm saddle height. 
 It easily fits 33.3 Jack Browns, but I haven't tried them with fenders.  I 
have ridden the San Marcos about 2500 over the last year and a half, 
including two RAGBRAI.  It has been very comfortable and predictable, and 
it climbs hills like a goat.

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:52:01 PM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a 
> Bob Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also 
> have a Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a 
> bike to fit between these two models.
>
> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown 
> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and 
> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these 
> listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there 
> is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge 
> of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this 
> point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in 
> a new San Marcos?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Sean
>

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[RBW] Re: Brand V Boxy Bag

[Tony McG]

I used the Brand V handlebar bag to carry rain gear and other small items 
while riding RAGBRAI this year.  I had to make longer straps in order to 
make the bag ride level with the handlebars.  The bag is stiff enough to 
keep it's shape and I have never had a problem with it drooping or sagging. 
 I have a matching saddlebag for my Soma and I bought another for my 
Atlantis.  

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/DSCN0938.jpg

On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:17:17 AM UTC-5, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> Does anyone have experience using this bag?
> Think about getting one for my protovelo and don't want to put a front 
> rack on it.
> Is it stable enough with just the webbing straps for a small load?
> Does is constantly droop down or stay pretty level?  Obviously a very 
> heavy load couldn't be supported.
> thank you
> Jason
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Tony McG]

I vote for Twin Cities in late September...

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:52:54 PM UTC-5, Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> If the Twin Cities prove to be the consensus choice for the Rally, I can 
> set it up. Late Sept or Early Oct, with camping and hotel options, urban 
> and "country" rides.
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with 
>> caution.
>>
>> BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the 
>> transport hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-).  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
>>> That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the 
>>> center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, 
>>> people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service 
>>> which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.   
>>> That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea 
 although our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...

 Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Selle Anatomica Saddle - Brown - Brand New

[Tony McG]

Which model is it, Titanico or Titanico X ?  Regarding the color, is it 
WaterShed Mahogany or TruLeather Vintage ?

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 7:58:12 PM UTC-5, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I just picked this up from one of the top notch people on this forum but 
> decided that black would look better so I picked up one of those.  This is 
> brand new and has never been used for even one mile. :)
>
> I am looking to sell it for exactly what I paid.  $95 shipped in the USA.
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[RBW] Re: My first RAGBRAI, my first Rivendell

[Tony McG]

Yes.  It was Bob Bailey riding his Long Low with prosthetics on both legs. 
 I saw him almost every day and he rode well, though he did struggle a 
little on the hills.  Apparently we use our lower leg a lot more than we 
think we do when we ride up hills.  When I told Bob (Hawaii) about the Long 
Low that he must have just passed in the last mile, he told me that he was 
so intrigued by the prosthetics that he didn't even notice that they were 
pedaling a Rivendell.

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

[Tony McG]

RAGBRAI was awesome!!!  The weather was gorgeous, the route was short, and 
the hills were a piece of cake.  I saw hundreds of beautiful steel bikes 
and Rivendell was well represented.  The first Riv that I spotted was a 
Heron; it was stopped on the side of the road early on the first day.  I 
saw two Atlantis; the red one from Connecticut?, and the other was yellow. 
 I saw Joyce on her Ram riding with two other Rams.  I talked with two 
other orange Ram riders; one of them rode a San Marcos while his chainstay 
was getting replaced at Rivendell and it was interesting to hear from 
someone that had ridden both bikes  There were two Redwoods, one green and 
the other red.  I rode with a guy on an old Romulus and I also visited with 
Bob from Louisiana on his Long and Low.  There was a Legolas and a blue 
1994 Riv with touring geometry and light tubing.  I ran into Tim on his 
Road and Bob came along on his Bike Friday a few minutes later.  I was glad 
to get a chance to see all of the Rivs and it was a pleasure visiting with 
their owners.

My Soma San Marcos performed flawlessly and it climbs hills like a goat. 
 Next year I am going to ride the Atlantis to see how it compares.

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:32:42 PM UTC-5, Linkbeak wrote:
>
> If you're doing RAGBRAI, look for me on my bright blue Ram loaded with red 
> panniers.  Hey, it's a 1 in 10,000 shot.
>
> This will be my second loaded, multi-day tour with the Ram.  I am 
> impressed at how well she handles with a load, even if that isn't her 
> purpose in life.
>
> Joyce
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

[Tony McG]

I'll be watching for both of you while riding my Soma San Marcos (2 top 
tubes).

Tony

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:32:42 PM UTC-5, Linkbeak wrote:
>
> If you're doing RAGBRAI, look for me on my bright blue Ram loaded with red 
> panniers.  Hey, it's a 1 in 10,000 shot.
>
> This will be my second loaded, multi-day tour with the Ram.  I am 
> impressed at how well she handles with a load, even if that isn't her 
> purpose in life.
>
> Joyce
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Atlantis 2150.00

[Tony McG]

Tim,

I always have my eyes peeled for the pretty steel bikes.  I will be riding 
my Soma San Marcos w Brand V handlebar and seat bags.

Tony

On Monday, July 15, 2013 7:50:05 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Very nice!  Keep an eye out for me on Ragbrai Thurs/Fri/Sat; I'll be on my 
> red '97 Rivendell Road w light blue moustache bars.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:01 AM, IanA >wrote:
>
>> Congrats!  That was a good deal.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:08:37 PM UTC-6, Tony McG wrote:
>>>
>>> *It's mine !!!*
>>>
>>> I met Jim in Hannibal, MO this morning and bought his Atlantis.  The 
>>> frame is a 2009 Toyo built with a kickstand plate and braze-ons everywhere. 
>>>  I have it locked up in the garage and I am not going to look at it until I 
>>> get back from RAGBRAI; there is a little devil on my shoulder telling me to 
>>> pull the necessary parts off of my other bikes and riding the Riv instead 
>>> of the San Marcos next weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting this, Kelly !!!
>>>
>>> http://i464.photobucket.com/**albums/rr7/WFRTony/DSCN0912.**jpg<http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/DSCN0912.jpg>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:40:06 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok here are e photos and contact info.  This is not my bike and I get 
>>>> nothing if sold or not.
>>>> This thing is pristine and would pass for new.  He wants 2000 without 
>>>> wheels.
>>>>
>>>> Freight is Not included
>>>>
>>>> Photos
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**tksleeper/sets/**72157634579220753/<http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157634579220753/>
>>>>
>>>> Contact
>>>> mcclur...@att.net
>>>> James McClure
>>>>
>>>> Kelly
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Atlantis 2150.00

[Tony McG]

*It's mine !!!*

I met Jim in Hannibal, MO this morning and bought his Atlantis.  The frame 
is a 2009 Toyo built with a kickstand plate and braze-ons everywhere.  I 
have it locked up in the garage and I am not going to look at it until I 
get back from RAGBRAI; there is a little devil on my shoulder telling me to 
pull the necessary parts off of my other bikes and riding the Riv instead 
of the San Marcos next weekend.

Thanks for posting this, Kelly !!!

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/DSCN0912.jpg

On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:40:06 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>
> Ok here are e photos and contact info.  This is not my bike and I get 
> nothing if sold or not.
> This thing is pristine and would pass for new.  He wants 2000 without 
> wheels.
>
> Freight is Not included
>
> Photos
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157634579220753/
>
> Contact
> mcclur...@att.net 
> James McClure
>
> Kelly
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding in Door County, Wisconsin...

[Tony McG]

Beautiful sunset over Green Bay at Door Bluff County Park.

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:11:11 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Thanks for the recommendations and tips!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Tony McG  >wrote:
>
>> We were going to rent a tandem last fall and ride Peninsula State Park on 
>> our last day of vacation, but it started raining at breakfast so we put on 
>> our raingear and rode the motorcycle to Milwaukee.  You can take the ferry 
>> over to Washington Island and ride there for a day, but Rock Island State 
>> Park is pedestrian only.  Make sure you stop and have a cold one at Old 
>> Nelsen's Hall on Washington Island, and skip the fish boil unless you 
>> really want to pay $20 for boiled fish and potatoes.  The fish boil  at 
>> Pelletier's is fun to watch, but there is better food in Door County...
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:10:05 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>  I'm going on a family reunion/vacation to Fish Creek in Door County, 
>>> WI. I'm bringing my Bike Friday which was built based on my Atlantis (and 
>>> is steel) for Riv content.
>>>
>>> Are there any rides, places or adventures anyone can recommend? Won't 
>>> likely be able to go on very long rides, but if anyone has any suggestions, 
>>> I'd welcome them.
>>>
>>> Happy 4th!!!
>>>
>>> René
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Riding in Door County, Wisconsin...

[Tony McG]

We were going to rent a tandem last fall and ride Peninsula State Park on 
our last day of vacation, but it started raining at breakfast so we put on 
our raingear and rode the motorcycle to Milwaukee.  You can take the ferry 
over to Washington Island and ride there for a day, but Rock Island State 
Park is pedestrian only.  Make sure you stop and have a cold one at Old 
Nelsen's Hall on Washington Island, and skip the fish boil unless you 
really want to pay $20 for boiled fish and potatoes.  The fish boil  at 
Pelletier's is fun to watch, but there is better food in Door County...

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:10:05 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm going on a family reunion/vacation to Fish Creek in Door County, WI. 
> I'm bringing my Bike Friday which was built based on my Atlantis (and is 
> steel) for Riv content.
>
> Are there any rides, places or adventures anyone can recommend? Won't 
> likely be able to go on very long rides, but if anyone has any suggestions, 
> I'd welcome them.
>
> Happy 4th!!!
>
> René
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv'ed LHT

[Tony McG]

When I bought my San Marcos, I pulled the drivetrain off of my Double Cross 
and put it on this LHT.  I wanted to put a Sugino XD2 wide/low double on 
it, but Rivendell  didn't have any in stock, so I ordered an XD2 triple and 
a XT derailleur.  I am going to remove the fenders so I can put bigger 
tires on it for the gravel roads.  I hope the Dureme 40s will fit on my old 
Santana Noventa.

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/013-1.jpg

On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:11:59 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> My Brothers new LHT with Surly racks & 26" wheels. I talked him into this 
> one as he didn't want to spend $4K+ on an Atlantis. I think it's a great 
> looking bike and came with a great group.Our up coming tour will flesh out 
> how he likes it. He'll be running Ortlieb Back rollers and Arkel T-28's in 
> front. We decided on not cutting the steerer tube until later.I think the 
> smog white color is awesome looking. 
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/9028081015/
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Tony McG]

I don't know what a Catagory 5 Climb is, but I do know that if I tried to 
stand up and pedal, the back wheel would spin instead of roll.  The only 
way to the top was either sit and grind or get off and walk...

On Friday, June 14, 2013 1:14:47 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Great write up, Marc. Thanks. Category 5 climbs? Could you please 
> enlighten me as to the definitions of the categories?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Tony McG]

Here are a couple of pics that I took...

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/002.jpg

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/003.jpg

Hopefully Jim will post his pictures too.  I had a great time with and I am 
looking forward to riding with this bunch again.  I am in the process of 
switching my LHT from a commuter to a gravel grinder.  The Soma San Marcos 
did fine, but I would prefer bigger tires with cantilever brakes.

On Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:59:56 AM UTC-5, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Did I miss pics of this great event from the beginning of the month? 
>  Would love to see what I missed this year.  Please respond with any option 
> or location of pictures.
>
> Ryan " one of these years I will partake" Hankinson
> Spring Lake, MI
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