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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread REC

Thanks, Steve!

I knew and gave her some of this info but not all of it. I’ll forward your 
message to her. 

Her bike is a cheap ill fitting step through, with barely enough room to get 
her leg through the low top tube (very short effective TT).   The seat post was 
nearly slammed. Leah and I had her raise it and get the saddle set at a better 
angle. She did get to ride Leah’s Clem H and after going just 25’ remarked how 
much nicer it was. She did have sticker shock when we told her she could get a 
good deal on a used Clem L. 

Well, to be honest, it took me some time to get over the investment $$ also. 
I’m ever so glad I did!  

Roberta  


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> Where on the tube is the puncture?  If it's rim-side, check for misaligned 
> rim tape.  If it's tire-side, look for something embedded in the tire.  
> Nearly invisible wires can get stuck inside a tire, repeatedly causing 
> punctures in the same place.  This is one reason you always align the valve 
> with the label, so you can match up the hole in the tube with the tire.  In 
> the case of an embedded wire, sometimes the only way you can see it is if you 
> flex the tire inside out and shine a bright light tangentially to the surface.
> 
> On 4/11/20 6:57 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>> If that rear tire keeps flatting I wonder about the rim tape. Do you 
>> remember when I got new tires on my Betty and the rear tire flatted on my 
>> way home from school? The shop realized the tape wasn’t quite right and that 
>> allowed the rim or whatever to flat the tire. They fixed it, easy. She may 
>> have to take it to a real mechanic (and good luck finding one, just kidding, 
>> REI should be ok for that) so I’m off the hook! 藍
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’ll have to change the thread name to add “NOT” to the end!
>>> 
>>> Leah, Debbie had another flat tire today. She called me while walking her 
>>> bike back home. Perhaps you can earn that badge fixing her flat.  And, 
>>> there’s bonus points— it’s the rear tire!
>>> 
>>> Just kidding, of course, but she really did have another flat. For those 
>>> who don’t  know , Leah, my sister Debbie, and I went in two bike rides when 
>>> I was visiting Debbie in March (Debbie and Leah live in the same town), and 
>>> Debbie had a two  flats then too. We must have missed the puncture-causing  
>>> item inside the tube.   We did though learn the wisdom of first turning the 
>>> bike upside down as she had no bike work stand. 
>>> 
>>> Roberta 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread REC

I remember!  You had to push it up killer hill. Not a fun day for you. We at 
the RBW board got a good story from you about it 


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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread Steve Palincsar

Where on the tube is the puncture? If it's rim-side, check for
misaligned rim tape. If it's tire-side, look for something embedded in
the tire. Nearly invisible wires can get stuck inside a tire,
repeatedly causing punctures in the same place. This is one reason you
always align the valve with the label, so you can match up the hole in
the tube with the tire. In the case of an embedded wire, sometimes the
only way you can see it is if you flex the tire inside out and shine a
bright light tangentially to the surface.

On 4/11/20 6:57 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

If that rear tire keeps flatting I wonder about the rim tape. Do you remember
when I got new tires on my Betty and the rear tire flatted on my way home from
school? The shop realized the tape wasn’t quite right and that allowed the rim
or whatever to flat the tire. They fixed it, easy. She may have to take it to a
real mechanic (and good luck finding one, just kidding, REI should be ok for
that) so I’m off the hook! 藍

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Roberta wrote:

We’ll have to change the thread name to add “NOT” to the end!

Leah, Debbie had another flat tire today. She called me while walking her bike
back home. Perhaps you can earn that badge fixing her flat. And, there’s bonus
points— it’s the rear tire!

Just kidding, of course, but she really did have another flat. For those who
don’t know , Leah, my sister Debbie, and I went in two bike rides when I was
visiting Debbie in March (Debbie and Leah live in the same town), and Debbie
had a two flats then too. We must have missed the puncture-causing item
inside the tube. We did though learn the wisdom of first turning the bike
upside down as she had no bike work stand.

Roberta

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USA

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread Leah Peterson

If that rear tire keeps flatting I wonder about the rim tape. Do you remember 
when I got new tires on my Betty and the rear tire flatted on my way home from 
school? The shop realized the tape wasn’t quite right and that allowed the rim 
or whatever to flat the tire. They fixed it, easy. She may have to take it to a 
real mechanic (and good luck finding one, just kidding, REI should be ok for 
that) so I’m off the hook! 藍

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> We’ll have to change the thread name to add “NOT” to the end!
> 
> Leah, Debbie had another flat tire today. She called me while walking her 
> bike back home. Perhaps you can earn that badge fixing her flat.  And, 
> there’s bonus points— it’s the rear tire!
> 
> Just kidding, of course, but she really did have another flat. For those who 
> don’t  know , Leah, my sister Debbie, and I went in two bike rides when I was 
> visiting Debbie in March (Debbie and Leah live in the same town), and Debbie 
> had a two  flats then too. We must have missed the puncture-causing  item 
> inside the tube.   We did though learn the wisdom of first turning the bike 
> upside down as she had no bike work stand. 
> 
> Roberta 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread Roberta

We’ll have to change the thread name to add “NOT” to the end!

Leah, Debbie had another flat tire today. She called me while walking her bike 
back home. Perhaps you can earn that badge fixing her flat.  And, there’s bonus 
points— it’s the rear tire!

Just kidding, of course, but she really did have another flat. For those who 
don’t  know , Leah, my sister Debbie, and I went in two bike rides when I was 
visiting Debbie in March (Debbie and Leah live in the same town), and Debbie 
had a two  flats then too. We must have missed the puncture-causing  item 
inside the tube.   We did though learn the wisdom of first turning the bike 
upside down as she had no bike work stand. 

Roberta 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread Joe Bernard

Leah and Joyce, you both alerted me to wrenching details I've lost as an old 
hand at this stuff; things I need to remember when talking bike mechanics to 
folks still learning.

"Fixing a flat" is indeed broken up into several steps and doesn't all have be 
be learned at once. In Leah's case (no workstand) the trick would be to toss a 
blanket or rug on the garage floor and flip the Clem over, then remove the 
front wheel to practice (rear is harder, that can wait). Then deflate the tube, 
pull it out, put it back in, reinflate. 

This covers everything I would do on the road with a spare tube: swap that baby 
in and patch the bad tube later at home. Heck, with tubeless she's never going 
to need to patch a tube anyway, the spare will just be a backup if the tubeless 
won't hold air after a puncture. 

In summary: Front wheel comes off easy, rear wheel with derailer a little more 
work, tube swapping is easier on the road, patching good at home 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread JAS

Leah, I'd say changing a tube will certainly meet the badge requirement!  
Do it on the front wheel if  you don't want to get greasy with the rear 
derailer.  I'm honored to be one of the founding RivSisters!  Now the 
pressure is on for me to come up with said badge!  I'll work on it and then 
we'll have to exchange addresses so I can put it into the mail.  I hope 
this doesn't open the flood-gates of badge requests from others on the 
forum!  (Hint, hint...)

And don't be so impressed with meI just do the easy things on my bike.  
For example, I still don't know how to adjust a rear derailer or a brake 
cable barrel.  Sometimes I think it would be good to watch some 
instructional videos to learn more, but usually I just wander over to my 
local bike shop for adjustments.  Fortunately, I have an excellent shop 
just a mile form home.

Also, I second the "buy good tools" notion.  A friend gave me a little tool 
bag that I use only for bike tools even though some of them are duplicates 
of what's hanging in my garage because then I always have what I need 
(mostly) right where I'm working on the bike.  The little bag goes with me 
on road trips with the bike and other gear.  You don't need everything all 
at once, but a few choice tools of good quality will pay dividends as you 
do more work on your bikes.  

Wrench on!
--Joyce

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:44:14 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Thank you, Joyce! 殺 I’m so impressed that you have a work stand and 
> work on your bikes - I never knew. Well, you are the founding Riv Sister 
> and that’s for sure.
>
> There’s a badge? I didn’t know there was a badge! Ok, when you say fix a 
> flat do you mean I have to patch it, or just insert a new tube? I’m gonna 
> do it. I’m gonna get that badge so help me.
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:23 PM, JAS > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Way to go, Leah!  You're earning points toward your RivSisters wrenching 
> badge. Let me know when you've finished the other requirement (fix a flat 
> tire) and I'll send you the badge. Yeah, now that they know there's a badge 
> available, others are going to be flocking for one!  
>
> I see that a few people have suggested you get yourself a repair stand. I 
> recently bought myself the Minoura repair stand sold by Rivendell because 
> it folds up.  It holds the Clem rock steady and It's nice to be able to 
> work on the bike without sitting on the ground.  
>
> I'm proud of you!
> --Joyce
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-11 Thread masmojo

I really knew you could do it!

Thing is, now that you've done it once, you can do it again. 

Tools, don't be afraid to go buy tools, they always pay for themselves. 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-10 Thread Leah Peterson

Thank you, Joyce! 殺 I’m so impressed that you have a work stand and work on 
your bikes - I never knew. Well, you are the founding Riv Sister and that’s for 
sure.

There’s a badge? I didn’t know there was a badge! Ok, when you say fix a flat 
do you mean I have to patch it, or just insert a new tube? I’m gonna do it. I’m 
gonna get that badge so help me.

Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:23 PM, JAS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Way to go, Leah!  You're earning points toward your RivSisters wrenching 
> badge. Let me know when you've finished the other requirement (fix a flat 
> tire) and I'll send you the badge. Yeah, now that they know there's a badge 
> available, others are going to be flocking for one!  
> 
> 
> I see that a few people have suggested you get yourself a repair stand. I 
> recently bought myself the Minoura repair stand sold by Rivendell because it 
> folds up.  It holds the Clem rock steady and It's nice to be able to work on 
> the bike without sitting on the ground.  
> 
> I'm proud of you!
> --Joyce
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-10 Thread Joe Bernard

Ok I definitely want a badge. Even if it's for RivSisters that's fine I have a 
workstand and fix flats badge me! 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-10 Thread JAS

Way to go, Leah!  You're earning points toward your RivSisters wrenching 
badge. Let me know when you've finished the other requirement (fix a flat 
tire) and I'll send you the badge. Yeah, now that they know there's a badge 
available, others are going to be flocking for one!  

I see that a few people have suggested you get yourself a repair stand. I 
recently bought myself the Minoura repair stand sold by Rivendell because 
it folds up.  It holds the Clem rock steady and It's nice to be able to 
work on the bike without sitting on the ground.  

I'm proud of you!
--Joyce

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-10 Thread Brian Campbell

Nice work! I predict you will get a stand in the near future.

>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  > wrote:
>
> 
> Well, you all nagged me enough that I begrudgingly went to my garage today.
>
> I DID IT And I’m coming here for all the accolades because I HAVE 
> REALLY BEEN THROUGH IT TODAY. 
>
> It was like working with one hand tied behind my back. I have no work 
> stand. I don’t know how to get the rear wheel off. The tire is in my way 
> but I flat it and find I have just enough room to work that hex key if I 
> turn the bolt a little at a time. It takes a coon’s age. I’m doing the job 
> squatting on the garage floor and reaching around blindly as I try to bolt 
> things I can’t see and get that bracket folded around that fender, and then 
> I don’t have the right tools so I’m improvising. The parts start falling 
> off and getting lost and I put the bracket on backwards, and there’s a 
> metal shaving embedded in my finger... It was just a lot of howling out 
> there and taking all your names in vain. 
>
> But, I did have help. Your posts, videos, and Joe’s Instagram advice 
> (because I sent videos of what I did and he pointed out what I did wrong) 
> have gotten me TWO SOLID FENDERS and I thank you so much! It only took 
> me two tries to get the thing to stop rubbing on the wheel, and I just 
> couldn’t be more thrilled. Also, I’m never doing that again.
>
> Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice and video analyzing. 
> Finishing that project was oddly gratifying; and now if my fender causes a 
> fatal crash we can only blame me. Ha!
>
> Photos, or it didn’t happen.
> (Coming in next post because it’s not allowing me to post them here)
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> This also addresses the rear bracket install pretty well.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbXxOaqqNI
>>
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:46:51 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c
>>>
>>> Starting at 4:30 they give the sequence for rear fender installation 
>>> using a bracket. The VO bracket you have is easily bent to shape, one tab 
>>> at a time when it is secired to the seat stay bridge. I have used old 
>>> handlebar tape scrap stuck on the underside of the he bracket and trimmed 
>>> to fit as a gasket between the fender and the clip. It helps to eliminate 
>>> rattles. You apply the tape before you atache the bracket to the seat stay.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread Joe Bernard

"You should get a job at REI.  Why should they hire you?  Because you do things 
RIGHT!"

They need a mechanic who DOESN'T LEAVE PARTS OFF. Leah's the one for the job.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread Steve Palincsar

Huzzay! Terrific job. Merle sang this for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezlaua2o-WU

On 4/9/20 8:20 PM, Roberta wrote:
Oh, it looks BE-U-TI-FULL! You should get a job at REI. Why
should they hire you? Because you do things RIGHT!

Roberta

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 7:35:42 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
Ding! wrote:

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:

Well, you all nagged me enough that I begrudgingly went to my
garage today.

I DID IT And I’m coming here for all the accolades because I
HAVE REALLY BEEN THROUGH IT TODAY.

It was like working with one hand tied behind my back. I have no
work stand. I don’t know how to get the rear wheel off. The tire
is in my way but I flat it and find I have just enough room to
work that hex key if I turn the bolt a little at a time. It takes
a coon’s age. I’m doing the job squatting on the garage floor and
reaching around blindly as I try to bolt things I can’t see and
get that bracket folded around that fender, and then I don’t have
the right tools so I’m improvising. The parts start falling off
and getting lost and I put the bracket on backwards, and there’s
a metal shaving embedded in my finger... It was just a lot of
howling out there and taking all your names in vain.

But, I did have help. Your posts, videos, and Joe’s Instagram
advice (because I sent videos of what I did and he pointed out
what I did wrong) have gotten me TWO SOLID FENDERS and I thank
you so much! It only took me two tries to get the thing to
stop rubbing on the wheel, and I just couldn’t be more thrilled.
Also, I’m never doing that again.

Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice and video
analyzing. Finishing that project was oddly gratifying; and now
if my fender causes a fatal crash we can only blame me. Ha!

Photos, or it didn’t happen.
(Coming in next post because it’s not allowing me to post them
here)

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

This also addresses the rear bracket install pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbXxOaqqNI

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:46:51 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell
wrote:

Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c

Starting at 4:30 they give the sequence for rear fender
installation using a bracket. The VO bracket you have is
easily bent to shape, one tab at a time when it is
secired to the seat stay bridge. I have used old
handlebar tape scrap stuck on the underside of the he
bracket and trimmed to fit as a gasket between the fender
and the clip. It helps to eliminate rattles. You apply
the tape before you atache the bracket to the seat stay.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah,

Welcome to the world of bike mechanics 藺‍.  I never want to hear you say you 
can’t again; but fully expect to hear you say it is not worth my time and I 
would rather pay someone to do so.

So proud of you.  You have earned 1 week of ZERO passive aggressive 
communication from me. After my post script below.

Sincerely,

Ryan Hankinson

P.S. enjoy the wheels and tires when they arrive!  I think I just bought 
Heather a Betty also 臘‍♂️.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread Roberta

Oh, it looks BE-U-TI-FULL!  You should get a job at REI.  Why should 
they hire you?  Because you do things RIGHT!

Roberta

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 7:35:42 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  > wrote:
>
> 
> Well, you all nagged me enough that I begrudgingly went to my garage today.
>
> I DID IT And I’m coming here for all the accolades because I HAVE 
> REALLY BEEN THROUGH IT TODAY. 
>
> It was like working with one hand tied behind my back. I have no work 
> stand. I don’t know how to get the rear wheel off. The tire is in my way 
> but I flat it and find I have just enough room to work that hex key if I 
> turn the bolt a little at a time. It takes a coon’s age. I’m doing the job 
> squatting on the garage floor and reaching around blindly as I try to bolt 
> things I can’t see and get that bracket folded around that fender, and then 
> I don’t have the right tools so I’m improvising. The parts start falling 
> off and getting lost and I put the bracket on backwards, and there’s a 
> metal shaving embedded in my finger... It was just a lot of howling out 
> there and taking all your names in vain. 
>
> But, I did have help. Your posts, videos, and Joe’s Instagram advice 
> (because I sent videos of what I did and he pointed out what I did wrong) 
> have gotten me TWO SOLID FENDERS and I thank you so much! It only took 
> me two tries to get the thing to stop rubbing on the wheel, and I just 
> couldn’t be more thrilled. Also, I’m never doing that again.
>
> Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice and video analyzing. 
> Finishing that project was oddly gratifying; and now if my fender causes a 
> fatal crash we can only blame me. Ha!
>
> Photos, or it didn’t happen.
> (Coming in next post because it’s not allowing me to post them here)
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> This also addresses the rear bracket install pretty well.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbXxOaqqNI
>>
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:46:51 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c
>>>
>>> Starting at 4:30 they give the sequence for rear fender installation 
>>> using a bracket. The VO bracket you have is easily bent to shape, one tab 
>>> at a time when it is secired to the seat stay bridge. I have used old 
>>> handlebar tape scrap stuck on the underside of the he bracket and trimmed 
>>> to fit as a gasket between the fender and the clip. It helps to eliminate 
>>> rattles. You apply the tape before you atache the bracket to the seat stay.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread ted

Congratulations, way to go.
Now, quick before you forget how frustrating that was, order yourself a nice 
collapsible free standing work stand. 
It should last you a lifetime, and will prove well worth the $$. Honest, a 
decade from now you will be so glad you did.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread Joe Bernard

"It was just a lot of howling out there and taking all your names in vain."

I believe this 藍

Nice work, bike wrenching person! You nailed it!!!  

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread ascpgh

Strongest approval and compliments!

I knew you had it in you, COVID or not!!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-09 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Well, you all nagged me enough that I begrudgingly went to my garage today.

I DID IT And I’m coming here for all the accolades because I HAVE 
REALLY BEEN THROUGH IT TODAY. 

It was like working with one hand tied behind my back. I have no work 
stand. I don’t know how to get the rear wheel off. The tire is in my way 
but I flat it and find I have just enough room to work that hex key if I 
turn the bolt a little at a time. It takes a coon’s age. I’m doing the job 
squatting on the garage floor and reaching around blindly as I try to bolt 
things I can’t see and get that bracket folded around that fender, and then 
I don’t have the right tools so I’m improvising. The parts start falling 
off and getting lost and I put the bracket on backwards, and there’s a 
metal shaving embedded in my finger... It was just a lot of howling out 
there and taking all your names in vain. 

But, I did have help. Your posts, videos, and Joe’s Instagram advice 
(because I sent videos of what I did and he pointed out what I did wrong) 
have gotten me TWO SOLID FENDERS and I thank you so much! It only took 
me two tries to get the thing to stop rubbing on the wheel, and I just 
couldn’t be more thrilled. Also, I’m never doing that again.

Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice and video analyzing. 
Finishing that project was oddly gratifying; and now if my fender causes a 
fatal crash we can only blame me. Ha!

Photos, or it didn’t happen.
(Coming in next post because it’s not allowing me to post them here)

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 8:49:43 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> This also addresses the rear bracket install pretty well.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbXxOaqqNI
>
> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:46:51 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c
>>
>> Starting at 4:30 they give the sequence for rear fender installation 
>> using a bracket. The VO bracket you have is easily bent to shape, one tab 
>> at a time when it is secired to the seat stay bridge. I have used old 
>> handlebar tape scrap stuck on the underside of the he bracket and trimmed 
>> to fit as a gasket between the fender and the clip. It helps to eliminate 
>> rattles. You apply the tape before you atache the bracket to the seat stay.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-05 Thread Brian Campbell

This also addresses the rear bracket install pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbXxOaqqNI

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:46:51 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c
>
> Starting at 4:30 they give the sequence for rear fender installation using 
> a bracket. The VO bracket you have is easily bent to shape, one tab at a 
> time when it is secired to the seat stay bridge. I have used old handlebar 
> tape scrap stuck on the underside of the he bracket and trimmed to fit as a 
> gasket between the fender and the clip. It helps to eliminate rattles. You 
> apply the tape before you atache the bracket to the seat stay.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-05 Thread Brian Campbell

Maybe this will make it easier to visualize:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxgtKtu-0c

Starting at 4:30 they give the sequence for rear fender installation using 
a bracket. The VO bracket you have is easily bent to shape, one tab at a 
time when it is secired to the seat stay bridge. I have used old handlebar 
tape scrap stuck on the underside of the he bracket and trimmed to fit as a 
gasket between the fender and the clip. It helps to eliminate rattles. You 
apply the tape before you atache the bracket to the seat stay.


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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-04 Thread Leah Peterson

Well, funny thing about that. Initially, I was all hand-wringing and desperate 
to have that fender made right again. But then I had to go for rides because 
it’s what I DO, and because it’s the only good thing I’m allowed to do in these 
times and now I’ve forgotten about my fender problems. I don’t want to do it 
myself; I think I’ll mess up the shape that bracket is supposed to be. I’m 
going to inflict it on some poor mechanic somewhere but haven’t figured that 
out yet. 

Also, I’m pathetic and I know it.
Leah

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> On Apr 4, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Leah, any luck getting that fender mounted? I suspect you've a long wait for 
> a bike shop journey, I'll bet you can get that thing rigged up yourself. 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-04-04 Thread Joe Bernard

Leah, any luck getting that fender mounted? I suspect you've a long wait for a 
bike shop journey, I'll bet you can get that thing rigged up yourself. 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-29 Thread somervillebikes

I read about half of the responses, and don't have anything to add other 
than I agree with all the points made, especially that the mechanic was 
incompetent. Even if the included bracket didn't reach all the way to the 
brake bridge where it is supposed to attach, there could have been a way 
for the mechanic to finagle a solution. This is a common problem with 
fender installation and bike mechanics the world over have DIY'd parts to 
make it work.

The real reason I'm posting is because of the term "wiggly fenders", and 
how it reminded me that my wife and I once dreamed of opening a bike shop. 
We have a beloved beagle, and we decided we would name our fantasy bike 
shop "Beagle Bikes", and we imagined the shop sign would have a 1940s-era 
stylized logo of a beagle earnestly riding a bike. Nothing to do with 
wiggly fenders, but it just reminded me...

Anton
velolumino.com


On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:12:04 AM UTC-4, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> Steve P's March 19th "paper dolls" post is a good idea. --
> Trace the VO bracket on some strong paper. 
> Cut it out. (But allow the double wings of the metal original to become 
> one piece for this step.)  
> Lay it over the fender so that it is centered and the paper template edges 
> evenly overlap the fender edges and tape it down lightly.
> With a marker or pencil, mark/shade the two edges where they bend over the 
> fender.
> Take it back off the fender and put it on the flat VO piece. (Or, vice 
> versa. Then you can see the lines where they cross the fingers of the wings 
> [!?!])
> If the paper is on top, fold the paper back squarely at the marks and mark 
> the metal wings so that they will be just like the paper template was 
> marked.
> Remove the paper template.
> You want to bend the bracket at the greatest width so that it is long 
> enough to wrap over the fender. It can be a little too long but it can't be 
> too short!
>
> Do you have a small table vise or even a couple of carpenter's clamps and 
> some 6" pieces of 2" x 4" wood? (See my Mar19 post)
> Clamp the bracket so that just one of the edges that you marked protrudes 
> from the vice or wood pieces. Your mark should just disappear under the 
> wood or clamp.
> You can tap the wings with a hammer, mallet or chunk of wood so that they 
> start to bend at a line just after the marks. The L part of the bracket 
> sticks up and you need to bend the wings down.
> A crescent wrench adjusted until it is almost closed or vise-grip pliers 
> can help to start the bending.
> Stop at 90 degrees -- You'll need to add some curvature to the bracket 
> before doing your final bending.
>
> David (It's late and I need an editor) Lipsky
>
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 9:25:15 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>>
>> Hmmm...well, if that is as you say, I’ll try this tomorrow! With a video 
>> first to make sure I’m not breaking crap, you know... 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-28 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

Steve P's March 19th "paper dolls" post is a good idea. --
Trace the VO bracket on some strong paper. 
Cut it out. (But allow the double wings of the metal original to become one 
piece for this step.)  
Lay it over the fender so that it is centered and the paper template edges 
evenly overlap the fender edges and tape it down lightly.
With a marker or pencil, mark/shade the two edges where they bend over the 
fender.
Take it back off the fender and put it on the flat VO piece. (Or, vice 
versa. Then you can see the lines where they cross the fingers of the wings 
[!?!])
If the paper is on top, fold the paper back squarely at the marks and mark 
the metal wings so that they will be just like the paper template was 
marked.
Remove the paper template.
You want to bend the bracket at the greatest width so that it is long 
enough to wrap over the fender. It can be a little too long but it can't be 
too short!

Do you have a small table vise or even a couple of carpenter's clamps and 
some 6" pieces of 2" x 4" wood? (See my Mar19 post)
Clamp the bracket so that just one of the edges that you marked protrudes 
from the vice or wood pieces. Your mark should just disappear under the 
wood or clamp.
You can tap the wings with a hammer, mallet or chunk of wood so that they 
start to bend at a line just after the marks. The L part of the bracket 
sticks up and you need to bend the wings down.
A crescent wrench adjusted until it is almost closed or vise-grip pliers 
can help to start the bending.
Stop at 90 degrees -- You'll need to add some curvature to the bracket 
before doing your final bending.

David (It's late and I need an editor) Lipsky

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> Hmmm...well, if that is as you say, I’ll try this tomorrow! With a video 
> first to make sure I’m not breaking crap, you know... 
>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-27 Thread Leah Peterson

Hmmm...well, if that is as you say, I’ll try this tomorrow! With a video first 
to make sure I’m not breaking crap, you know...

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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 9:12 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I can bend it fairly easily with my thumbs just holding it in my hand, 
> mounted to the bike and using the fender itself as a fulcrum, it should bend 
> even easier.
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-27 Thread masmojo

I can bend it fairly easily with my thumbs just holding it in my hand, mounted 
to the bike and using the fender itself as a fulcrum, it should bend even 
easier.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-27 Thread Leah Peterson

Yes, Joe is right, the bracket is much stiffer than I anticipated. I really 
thought I’d be able to bend that sucker into place, but it’s fairly unyielding. 
Yes, I can have my husband try to manhandle it, but since it’s so thick I’m 
afraid we won’t get bent in the right shape and it will be a rattle trap mess. 
Also, the kind of guy he is is a “good enough” and I want it perfect.  Given 
the fact that we’re sharing close quarters in this shut down, best to keep on 
good terms! 藍

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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting advice, masmojo. I pictured the bracket being stiffer, 
> but they're very light so I bet you're right that it should be pretty easy 
> for her to bend down around the curve of the fender. You can do the job, 
> Leah! 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-27 Thread Joe Bernard

That's interesting advice, masmojo. I pictured the bracket being stiffer, but 
they're very light so I bet you're right that it should be pretty easy for her 
to bend down around the curve of the fender. You can do the job, Leah! 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-27 Thread masmojo

Leah, terribly sorry I somehow missed this thread otherwise could have solved
your dilemma days ago or in one of the emails I clobbered you with the last
couple days.
I have the black versions of those very same fenders on my Polyvalent. The
mounting point on the Polyvalent is different though & just required a screw
straight through.
In any case pity I don't live close because it would literally taken me a
minute to fix that. Presumably reading through this you've got the bracket from
VO already; I am assuming you would have gotten one originally & your inept
mechanic just didn't know what to do with it!? It should look like a silver
version if this:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/i7ewgztjUSMNjic17

Did it come with a screw or bolt or something? If not you can go to Lowes or HD
& get the things you need.

1 screw - cap head allen screw M5 x 16mm should be long enough (maybe a little
longer just in case) I suggest stainless steel.

One M5 nylock nut stainless steel if possible

Probably some appropriately sized washers would be good as well.

With these items in hand sneak up on unsuspecting bicycle and insert screw
through bracket and small hole on the frame bridge. Attach with washer & nut,
but do not tighten. Lower bracket down until it contacts the fender. This
bracket isn't super strong once it's on the bike & against the fender there
should be enough resistance to bend it with your fingers. If this proves
difficult maybe your husband or a neighbor could manage!? Once you get is sort
of bent around the edge of the fender you could gently clamp it down more with
some pliers. It doesn't need to be super tight just snug. If you want it not to
rattle you could slip a piece of cut up inner tube or something in between the
bracket & fender prior to bending the little tabs then clamp down a little
tighter. Once you've done this you can finish tightening the nut on the screw.

I certainly hope that makes sense!? And I'm sorry you don't have any competent
bike shops around there. I've been working on bikes since I was 6 so sometimes
it's hard for me to understand how things like this happen. 樂

Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-22 Thread Philip Williamson

My rear skid story also involves a sweater! 
My cool morning sweater was tied around my waist, and slipped down into the 
wheel as I was frailin’ my fixed gear down a steep hill onto a bridge. Rear 
wheel locks up and slides, I brake hard on the front, and fetch up against the 
low guardrail over a 20’ drop into deep water and flooded saplings. If I’d been 
going just a couple miles an hour faster, I’d been over the edge. As it was, 
the tread was worn down to the casing, and I thump-thump-thumped home very 
carefully. I don’t tie sweaters around my waist anymore.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-21 Thread Joe Bernard

Someone should buy that dang Betty before I decide my custom is still months 
away and by golly it's already packed and ready to ship and maybe *I* need 
those pretty red hearts! ♥️♥️♥️

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-21 Thread Leah Peterson

Hi Ana,

Thanks for commiserating with me! I was going to start looking for a new LBS 
but then we had a worldwide pandemic, so that’s on hold and that’s why I’m 
galavanting around here with one fender. Sometimes I think this bike looks like 
it is going around without pants, so I put the rear rack on (this I can do!) 
and it looks better. But I do miss my waterfall fender. I got a LOT of great 
info here and in the end it led me to decide I’m not going to attempt fixing 
this fender myself. Too many things that I don’t know and I don’t even have a 
work stand, so it’s even more complicated.. One of these days I’m going to get 
my act together and learn from someone who knows what they’re doing. I’ll pay 
them and everything.

I took the Betz to be re-packed with the manager and then I did a couple extra 
things to REALLY ensure she’s packed in tight. But I wish she was assembled. 
It’s going to be a long wait for a Cheviot.

Until then, I’ll be riding around this pants-less Clem! 

Riv sisters,
Leah

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> On Mar 21, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Ana Candela  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> 
> After reading the 70 posts, I already forgot half of what I wanted to 
> comment, but first I can only commiserate with you and your bikeshopless 
> situation. I, on the other hand, am lucky to have not one but two very good 
> LBSs nearby. Even if there is no other bike shop around you, I still stand on 
> ditching that bike shop —and I am happy to see everyone here agrees. And I 
> can totally imagine the grand opening of #thewigglyfender bike shop in Vegas 藍
> 
> I’m glad you’ve got plenty of help here to fix the situation and that you 
> took the fender off before it could cause any damage. I cannot offer any 
> suggestions because I think all has been said, and I don’t have experience 
> with metal fenders, only my plastic ones that I uninstalled at some point, 
> and then I followed Riv’s video with Mark installing one. It’s a joy to watch 
> Riv’s videos. I wish they did more videos on maintenance. It’s hard to find 
> good instructional ones.
> 
> One thing that worries me is you mentioning the lousy packaging job they did 
> for your Clem, so what about your Betz? Could you put her back together again 
> while you wait for your Cheviot?
> 
> Keep on riding!
> -Ana
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[RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-21 Thread Ana Candela

Leah,

After reading the 70 posts, I already forgot half of what I wanted to comment,
but first I can only commiserate with you and your bikeshopless situation. I,
on the other hand, am lucky to have not one but two very good LBSs nearby. Even
if there is no other bike shop around you, I still stand on ditching that bike
shop —and I am happy to see everyone here agrees. And I can totally imagine the
grand opening of #thewigglyfender bike shop in Vegas 藍

I’m glad you’ve got plenty of help here to fix the situation and that you took
the fender off before it could cause any damage. I cannot offer any suggestions
because I think all has been said, and I don’t have experience with metal
fenders, only my plastic ones that I uninstalled at some point, and then I
followed Riv’s video with Mark installing one. It’s a joy to watch Riv’s
videos. I wish they did more videos on maintenance. It’s hard to find good
instructional ones.

One thing that worries me is you mentioning the lousy packaging job they did
for your Clem, so what about your Betz? Could you put her back together again
while you wait for your Cheviot?

Keep on riding!
-Ana

Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

[Excuse the possible double post -- I replied via email to Eric's 
suggestions which appeared in my inbox. Not sure whether that will appear 
anywhere in Google Groups! So here it is again:]

The Planet Bike piece that I mentioned would work without any special tools 
or holes in the fender, assuming it is the correct width to fit the profile 
of the fender. 
Same $5 but no shipping cost.
And, no need to remove the rear wheel to fit the part into place!

David Lipsky

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 4:47:32 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>
>  
> To those "in the know," would this be easier for her to do?  Pros and cons 
> vs what they sent her?  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/vo-single-hole-l-bracket
>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread David Lipsky

The Planet Bike piece that I mentioned would work without any tools or holes in 
the fender, assuming it is the correct width to fit the profile of the fender. 
Same $5 but no shipping cost.
And, no need to remove the rear wheel to fit the part into place!

David Lipsky

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:53 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would go for the single hole bracket. Cleaner look, less chance of 
> rattling. Downside: Need to drill a hole. Benefits from a small piece of 
> leather between fender and bracket (not included).
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Roberta > > wrote:
>> 
>> Leah,
>> 
>> I wish I were still there to help.  I love doing this type of thing.   
>> 
>> To those "in the know," would this be easier for her to do?  Pros and cons 
>> vs what they sent her?  
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/vo-single-hole-l-bracket
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Roberta
>> 
>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Ok, chickening out here. I don’t want this bent in some wonky way. Just call 
>> me ‘Ol One Fender for the foreseeable future. As in, “Did you see “Ol One 
>> Fender pedaling around that giant blue Clem again? Ridiculous. Looks like 
>> the bike is rolling around this neighborhood wearing no pants.” 
>> 
>> Wish me luck. I might have to (when it’s safe again) to go to a place called 
>> Pro Cyclery. Does that sound like a place that is going to be happy to see 
>> me? No. 
>> 
>> Think your good thoughts. 
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

I would go for the single hole bracket. Cleaner look, less chance of rattling. 
Downside: Need to drill a hole. Benefits from a small piece of leather between 
fender and bracket (not included).

--Eric Norris
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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> 
> I wish I were still there to help.  I love doing this type of thing.   
> 
> To those "in the know," would this be easier for her to do?  Pros and cons vs 
> what they sent her?  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/vo-single-hole-l-bracket
> 
> Roberta
> 
> On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> Ok, chickening out here. I don’t want this bent in some wonky way. Just call 
> me ‘Ol One Fender for the foreseeable future. As in, “Did you see “Ol One 
> Fender pedaling around that giant blue Clem again? Ridiculous. Looks like the 
> bike is rolling around this neighborhood wearing no pants.” 
> 
> Wish me luck. I might have to (when it’s safe again) to go to a place called 
> Pro Cyclery. Does that sound like a place that is going to be happy to see 
> me? No. 
> 
> Think your good thoughts. 
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Roberta

Leah,

I wish I were still there to help.  I love doing this type of thing.   

To those "in the know," would this be easier for her to do?  Pros and cons 
vs what they sent her?  
https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/vo-single-hole-l-bracket

Roberta

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Ok, chickening out here. I don’t want this bent in some wonky way. Just 
> call me ‘Ol One Fender for the foreseeable future. As in, “Did you see “Ol 
> One Fender pedaling around that giant blue Clem again? Ridiculous. Looks 
> like the bike is rolling around this neighborhood wearing no pants.” 
>
> Wish me luck. I might have to (when it’s safe again) to go to a place 
> called Pro Cyclery. Does that sound like a place that is going to be happy 
> to see me? No. 
>
> Think your good thoughts. 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Joe Bernard

I think we all should show up at Leah's house and fight over who gets to fix 
her fender. SPOILER: I'll win 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Garth


 Leah. I have no doubt you can do this, it doesn't require any special 
talent or previous experience. If living required previous experience we 
couldn't exist in the first place.  It's just a bit of pliable metal, think 
of it as Gumby without the rubber coating and "assisting" Gumby do some 
Yoga positions ! 


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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

You guys all make a lot of sense to me. I see what you’re getting at, David, 
and thanks. I’m kind of hand-wringing over here. I may just wait and see if a 
true mechanic wants to do this. I can see too many things going wrong. I always 
default to thinking things are funny, and it would have been hilarious to watch 
me awkwardly stumble through this, hair dryer in hand, in a series of short 
videos while the group collectively did this 臘臘‍♀️

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

I saw the video which prompted my response. But, Leah's hesitant about 
bending the fender bracket. For $5.00 she may be able to solve this easily.
VO has made it easy on themselves and they make ONE bracket that fits many 
fender widths. However the customer then is stuck with setting up the tools 
needed to cleanly and correctly bend and cinch the bracket. It's described 
as a sliding bracket. It won't slide until you bend it and then bend the 
wing tabs, but not too far that it won't slide. That's a lot to ask of 
someone who has not done it before and may not have all the tools.

David

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 2:10:19 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> She's got the part already.  She showed it in the video.  It's the one 
> that goes with the fender in question, obtained from Velo Orange.
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Palincsar

She's got the part already. She showed it in the video. It's the one
that goes with the fender in question, obtained from Velo Orange.

On 3/19/20 5:04 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Let's NOT consider asking anyone to heat up a metal brace to be
red-hot and then attempt to bend it around a fender with their hands!

Leah, if you just measure across the fender, edge to edge of the arc,
ignoring the curve, you'll probably get a number in the 60mm range.
Planet Bike is amazing about repair parts and they sell fender
mounting kits for as little as $5.00 shipped, i.e., they cover the
shipping. This version of their curved fender brace is plastic and can
simply be snapped over the fender.

Here's one page of spare parts if I search for 60mm:
https://www.planetbike.com/search.php?search_query=60mm=product
Here's the 60mm kit:
https://www.planetbike.com/hardcore-fender-hardware-kit-60mm/
You can do the same search for 65mm and find those kits.

David Lipsky
PS. Their fender flaps are great for fenders that don't have built-in
ones or are too short!

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 12:45:48 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding
Ding! wrote:

..but what if I heated the metal with my hair dryer?

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

Let's NOT consider asking anyone to heat up a metal brace to be red-hot and 
then attempt to bend it around a fender with their hands!

Leah, if you just measure across the fender, edge to edge of the arc, 
ignoring the curve, you'll probably get a number in the 60mm range.
Planet Bike is amazing about repair parts and they sell fender mounting 
kits for as little as $5.00 shipped, i.e., they cover the shipping. This 
version of their curved fender brace is plastic and can simply be snapped 
over the fender.
Here's one page of spare parts if I search for 60mm:
https://www.planetbike.com/search.php?search_query=60mm=product
Here's the 60mm kit: 
https://www.planetbike.com/hardcore-fender-hardware-kit-60mm/
You can do the same search for 65mm and find those kits.

David Lipsky
PS. Their fender flaps are great for fenders that don't have built-in ones 
or are too short!

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> ..but what if I heated the metal with my hair dryer?
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Leah Peterson

Joe, YES. 藍

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Joe Bernard

"This is probably the most “woman” answer ever..."

I don't think your 'woman' answer can beat "pretend it's paper dolls" 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Jay Lonner

 A heat gun is basically a souped-up hair dryer and can certainly reach 
temperatures of capable of making most metals red hot. Here's an el cheepo 
version from Harbor Freight:

https://www.harborfreight.com/1500-Watt-Dual-Temperature-Heat-Gun-63104.html

It may seem like a niche item at first, but it's a tool I use probably 2-3 
times a year. Most recently I used it on the heat-shrink tubing for the 
connections running to a dynohub. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 12:45:48 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> This is probably the most “woman” answer ever...but what if I heated the 
> metal with my hair dryer? Think it would bend much more agreeably?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>  
>
> It's flat, and to work it needs to wrap over and around a curved fender.
>
> The orientation is obvious: the tab with the hole has to line up with the 
> hole in the bridge.
>
> So how would you do that?
>
> Afraid to mess with the metal?  Trace it and cut yourself out one of stiff 
> paper.  Now make believe it's paper dolls.   Put it on the fender and what 
> would you have to do for it to wrap over the fender and stay there?
>
> Now do it with the metal.
> On 3/19/20 1:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>
> My fender parts arrived from VO.  
>
> I’m not usually very brave about attempting mechanical fixes myself. But 
> in these trying (sheltering in place) times where one does not have access 
> to a bike shop, I am finding myself becoming a bit braver. It is 
> disconcerting to see this one-fendered Clem and I’m motivated to get it 
> fixed.  
>
> Would you all be greatly annoyed if I solicited advice on how to do this 
> myself here? If not, see the attached video. (Likely the first in a 
> series.) I’ll download the instructions as well, and try to figure it 
> out. I don’t feel very confident about my capabilities and I don’t want to 
> do anything wrong and risk being killed on my bike by a wiggly fender.
>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Palincsar

Those fender brackets aren't horse shoes. They don't need to be heated
red hot and pounded on an anvil to bend. I'm pretty sure if an anvil
had to be involved, VO's instructions would make mention of it. ;-)

Installing the bracket first, then placing the fender in position would
certainly eliminate any possibility that the hole in the bracket
wouldn't line up with the hole in the bridge.

On 3/19/20 4:01 PM, Garth wrote:

It would have to get pretty hot to help though and how are you
going to handle it ? Someone may correct me he as I've not done
this either, but would it make sense to install the bracket on the
bike first without the tire, then place the fenders in the position
they were(assuming that was the correct height and place), make
contact between the two, then gently work it by hand around both sides
so the arcs match up. Then put the tire in double check height
clearances. Then Take the tire out and do the final crimping inside
the fender well. Then make make sure the bracket is good and tight and
install the tire . and behold your lovely double fendered
masterpiece !

If any other suggestions apply, please do suggest
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Leah Peterson

Clearly, you know *nothing* of hair dryers. They are veritable weapons. 

It feels so good to have superior knowledge of sorting in this List 藍, 
Leah 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is your hair drier powerful enough to get the metal red hot?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/19/20 3:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>> This is probably the most “woman” answer ever...but what if I heated the 
>> metal with my hair dryer? Think it would bend much more agreeably?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's flat, and to work it needs to wrap over and around a curved fender.
>>> 
>>> The orientation is obvious: the tab with the hole has to line up with the 
>>> hole in the bridge.
>>> 
>>> So how would you do that?
>>> 
>>> Afraid to mess with the metal?  Trace it and cut yourself out one of stiff 
>>> paper.  Now make believe it's paper dolls.   Put it on the fender and what 
>>> would you have to do for it to wrap over the fender and stay there?
>>> 
>>> Now do it with the metal.
>>> 
>>> On 3/19/20 1:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
 My fender parts arrived from VO. 
 
 I’m not usually very brave about attempting mechanical fixes myself. But 
 in these trying (sheltering in place) times where one does not have access 
 to a bike shop, I am finding myself becoming a bit braver. It is 
 disconcerting to see this one-fendered Clem and I’m motivated to get it 
 fixed. 
 
 Would you all be greatly annoyed if I solicited advice on how to do this 
 myself here? If not, see the attached video. (Likely the first in a 
 series.) I’ll download the instructions as well, and try to figure it 
 out. I don’t feel very confident about my capabilities and I don’t want to 
 do anything wrong and risk being killed on my bike by a wiggly fender.
 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Garth


It would have to get pretty hot to help though and how are you going to 
handle it ?   Someone may correct me he as I've not done this either, 
but would it make sense to install the bracket on the bike first without 
the tire, then place the fenders in the position they were(assuming that 
was the correct height and place), make contact between the two, then 
gently work it by hand around both sides so the arcs match up. Then put the 
tire in double check height clearances. Then Take the tire out and do the 
final crimping inside the fender well. Then make make sure the bracket is 
good and tight and install the tire . and behold your lovely double 
fendered masterpiece ! 

If any other suggestions apply, please do suggest  
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Garth

   Yes it would somewhat. Someone may correct me he as I've not done this 
either, but would it make sense to install the bracket on the bike first 
without the tire, then place the fenders in the position they were(assuming 
that was the correct height and place), make contact between the two, then 
gently work it by hand around both sides so the arc match up. Then put the 
tire in double check clearances, take the tire out and heating up of the 
bracket a bit, then the final crimping assuming you have some sort heat 
proof kitchen gloves that allow dexterity of some kind. Then make make sure 
the bracket it good and tight and install the tire . and behold your 
lovely double fendered masterpiece ! 

If any other suggestion, please do .  

If you need some real life encouragement beyond this, you're welcomed to 
call me, I can PM you my tele if so. 

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> This is probably the most “woman” answer ever...but what if I heated the 
> metal with my hair dryer? Think it would bend much more agreeably?
>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Palincsar

Is your hair drier powerful enough to get the metal red hot?

Image result for hair on fire

On 3/19/20 3:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
This is probably the most “woman” answer ever...but what if I heated
the metal with my hair dryer? Think it would bend much more agreeably?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

It's flat, and to work it needs to wrap over and around a curved fender.

The orientation is obvious: the tab with the hole has to line up with
the hole in the bridge.

So how would you do that?

Afraid to mess with the metal? Trace it and cut yourself out one of
stiff paper. Now make believe it's paper dolls. Put it on the
fender and what would you have to do for it to wrap over the fender
and stay there?

Now do it with the metal.

On 3/19/20 1:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

My fender parts arrived from VO.

I’m not usually very brave about attempting mechanical fixes myself.
But in these trying (sheltering in place) times where one does not
have access to a bike shop, I am finding myself becoming a bit
braver. It is disconcerting to see this one-fendered Clem and I’m
motivated to get it fixed.

Would you all be greatly annoyed if I solicited advice on how to do
this myself here? If not, see the attached video. (Likely the first
in a series.) I’ll download the instructions as well, and try to
figure it out. I don’t feel very confident about my capabilities and
I don’t want to do anything wrong and risk being killed on my bike
by a wiggly fender.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Leah Peterson

This is probably the most “woman” answer ever...but what if I heated the metal 
with my hair dryer? Think it would bend much more agreeably?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's flat, and to work it needs to wrap over and around a curved fender.
> 
> The orientation is obvious: the tab with the hole has to line up with the 
> hole in the bridge.
> 
> So how would you do that?
> 
> Afraid to mess with the metal?  Trace it and cut yourself out one of stiff 
> paper.  Now make believe it's paper dolls.   Put it on the fender and what 
> would you have to do for it to wrap over the fender and stay there?
> 
> Now do it with the metal.
> 
> On 3/19/20 1:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>> My fender parts arrived from VO. 
>> 
>> I’m not usually very brave about attempting mechanical fixes myself. But in 
>> these trying (sheltering in place) times where one does not have access to a 
>> bike shop, I am finding myself becoming a bit braver. It is disconcerting to 
>> see this one-fendered Clem and I’m motivated to get it fixed. 
>> 
>> Would you all be greatly annoyed if I solicited advice on how to do this 
>> myself here? If not, see the attached video. (Likely the first in a 
>> series.) I’ll download the instructions as well, and try to figure it out. 
>> I don’t feel very confident about my capabilities and I don’t want to do 
>> anything wrong and risk being killed on my bike by a wiggly fender.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Steve Palincsar

It's flat, and to work it needs to wrap over and around a curved fender.

The orientation is obvious: the tab with the hole has to line up with
the hole in the bridge.

So how would you do that?

Afraid to mess with the metal? Trace it and cut yourself out one of
stiff paper. Now make believe it's paper dolls. Put it on the fender
and what would you have to do for it to wrap over the fender and stay there?

Now do it with the metal.

On 3/19/20 1:45 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

My fender parts arrived from VO.

I’m not usually very brave about attempting mechanical fixes myself.
But in these trying (sheltering in place) times where one does not
have access to a bike shop, I am finding myself becoming a bit braver.
It is disconcerting to see this one-fendered Clem and I’m motivated to
get it fixed.

Would you all be greatly annoyed if I solicited advice on how to do
this myself here? If not, see the attached video. (Likely the first in
a series.) I’ll download the instructions as well, and try to figure
it out. I don’t feel very confident about my capabilities and I don’t
want to do anything wrong and risk being killed on my bike by a wiggly
fender.

--
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Alexandria, Virginia
USA

Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

If you’re OK with drilling two little holes in the fender, this would be an 
easier solution:

https://www.benscycle.com/gilles-berthoud-rear-caliper-mount-fender-bracket/fender_part_gillesberthoud__230-132_230-132/product
 

I have this (our similar) on several bikes. If you’re getting fancy, cut a 
small piece of leather and fit it between the fender and the bracket to prevent 
squeaks and rattles.

--Eric N

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, chickening out here. I don’t want this bent in some wonky way. Just call 
> me ‘Ol One Fender for the foreseeable future. As in, “Did you see “Ol One 
> Fender pedaling around that giant blue Clem again? Ridiculous. Looks like the 
> bike is rolling around this neighborhood wearing no pants.” 
> 
> Wish me luck. I might have to (when it’s safe again) to go to a place called 
> Pro Cyclery. Does that sound like a place that is going to be happy to see 
> me? No. 
> 
> Think your good thoughts. 
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Ok, chickening out here. I don’t want this bent in some wonky way. Just call me 
‘Ol One Fender for the foreseeable future. As in, “Did you see “Ol One Fender 
pedaling around that giant blue Clem again? Ridiculous. Looks like the bike is 
rolling around this neighborhood wearing no pants.” 

Wish me luck. I might have to (when it’s safe again) to go to a place called 
Pro Cyclery. Does that sound like a place that is going to be happy to see me? 
No. 

Think your good thoughts. 
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

Here’s a more user-friendly version of what you have:

https://www.performancebike.com/sks-chromoplastic-fender-parts-7523/p343759?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6q2Dt5Kn6AIVlPhkCh2MUwD4EAQYBSABEgK-nvD_BwE
 

--Eric N

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:13 AM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> First step might be to find something round (or half round) like a dowel or 
> even the tire itself.
> You want to change the flat "wings" of the bracket to have a curvature that 
> will match that of the fender it will wrap around. If you use the tire, it 
> should be inflated firmly enough that you can press against it and the tire 
> will keep its shape. Put on some work gloves for this and gently press it so 
> that the bracket starts to become rounded.
> 
> Once you have given it a curve that seems to fit the fender shape you can 
> mark where the ends of the wings need to be bent around to grab the fender 
> (put some tape on the bracket for the marking and remove the tape when this 
> is all finished). You give it a curve first so that you can more accurately 
> see how long the brackets span needs to be. If the bend in the wings starts 
> too soon, you will have made the bracket too short to fit the fender.
> 
> Do you have either a small bench vise or an adjustable crescent wrench that 
> has jaws long enough to span the width of the brackets "wings?"
> Or, a carpentry clamp that would let you put the bracket on the edge of a 
> workbench? These will allow you to evenly create a new, sharper bend where 
> the wings reach around and under the fender edge. 
> With the "L" bracket facing up, you'll want to tap the wings down using a 
> rubber mallet or a hammer with a small block of wood between its face and the 
> bracket.
> 
> I'll see if I can take some pictures of some of this but a doggy play date is 
> scheduled and I'm overdue to take our beast to a neighbor's back yard!
> 
> Best,
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-19 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

First step might be to find something round (or half round) like a dowel or 
even the tire itself.
You want to change the flat "wings" of the bracket to have a curvature that 
will match that of the fender it will wrap around. If you use the tire, it 
should be inflated firmly enough that you can press against it and the tire 
will keep its shape. Put on some work gloves for this and gently press it 
so that the bracket starts to become rounded.

Once you have given it a curve that seems to fit the fender shape you can 
mark where the ends of the wings need to be bent around to grab the fender 
(put some tape on the bracket for the marking and remove the tape when this 
is all finished). You give it a curve first so that you can more accurately 
see how long the brackets span needs to be. If the bend in the wings starts 
too soon, you will have made the bracket too short to fit the fender.

Do you have either a small bench vise or an adjustable crescent wrench that 
has jaws long enough to span the width of the brackets "wings?"
Or, a carpentry clamp that would let you put the bracket on the edge of a 
workbench? These will allow you to evenly create a new, sharper bend where 
the wings reach around and under the fender edge. 
With the "L" bracket facing up, you'll want to tap the wings down using a 
rubber mallet or a hammer with a small block of wood between its face and 
the bracket.

I'll see if I can take some pictures of some of this but a doggy play date 
is scheduled and I'm overdue to take our beast to a neighbor's back yard!

Best,
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

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> My fender parts arrived from VO. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-16 Thread Steve Palincsar

Well, depending on how the bracket comes, it may be necessary to bend 
the prongs down so they fit under the fender edge (some of them come 
flattened out like an animal skin) and even if it's already curved you 
may have to crimp the edges of the bracket down with a pair of pliers to 
keep the bracket from sliding around.  But basically you're right, 
definitely part of the way there now.


On 3/16/20 12:14 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:

You're halfway there now. All you gotta do is slide that bracket on your fender 
and put it back on! 


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[RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Joe Bernard

You're halfway there now. All you gotta do is slide that bracket on your fender 
and put it back on! 

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[RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Woo, that was a fascinating read on black ice. That author was talented - I had 
to skip ahead and find out what would happen to his daughter.

I looked at my fender and rack and realized they required hex keys, which I 
love. I got so far as to get the fender nearly off and realized there is a bolt 
that would necessitate removing the rear wheel. I don’t like taking off wheels; 
I don’t really understand how to know that they are securely seated again 
andsome other stuff. I started at that tight space, wishing I had a shorter 
hex key. I finally realized if I flatted my own tire I just may have enough 
room to maneuver my key. It worked! 

I won’t need my rear rack because I won’t be hauling the boys’s stuff to school 
- we got word today no school until middle of April. So, I’m riding around with 
one front fender and one front rack and the back end is looking naked and 
unbalanced but at least I don’t have to worry about wiggly fenders. Now, I’ll 
wait for the parts to arrive.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Steve, we should start such a thread - real crashes and what caused them. I’d 
read every last entry.

The noise I heard was definitely part of my bike - I could feel it. 

Pretty sure those fender bolts require hex keys - and hex keys are my jam, so 
I’ll rip that rear fender right off.

Just gotta wait for the fender parts and then if the world hasn’t shut down, 
I’ll haul my bike in to a mechanic. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 3/15/20 4:29 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Robert, wow. Glad to hear you recovered and sorry that this crash had such a
lasting impact on the way you ride. I’m glad you have been able to work through
it (though you clearly have some traumatic effects); it’s inspiring.

Ted and Steve - very interesting tales, and good for us to know about so we can
prevent crashes like these. I have a strange fascination with hearing stories
of crashes, as if I can prevent them happening if I just catalogue everyone’s
stories and learn from their mistakes. This is ridiculous, of course, and if I
ride long enough there will probably come a day when I crash. My sons have rear
racks and baskets on their bikes and their backpack straps will sometimes fall
down near the spinning rear wheel I I SHUDDER. I make them stop and we fix the
straps.

Yes, there's real value in that, and in learning from other people's
mistakes. I could go on about things that have caused crashes to
myself or others near me, but this isn't the thread.

So, a weird thing happened today. We’ve been doing the social distancing thing
hoping to “flatten the curve” but I’m still going out for solo bike rides. I’m
now freshly aware of the dangers of wiggly fenders, so I’m already on edge. A
fourth of the way down Killer Hill I hear what sounds like some thuds from my
rear wheel. I honestly believe the tire is flatting. I stop the bike and can
see nothing amiss (which makes me laugh to type because I’ve been riding around
with a wiggly fender so what do I know about things being amiss?) but I decide
I’m NOT going down that hill now. I turn around, get up the hill and I hear the
noise again. Whatever is causing it stops as suddenly as it starts, and I ride
home another mile with no issue.

Are you sure it wasn't something by the side of the road? Someone doing
home repairs, maybe using a nail gun? Or possibly out back doing some
plinking? (one of our local trails goes by a private shooting range -
lot of signs saying "STAY ON THE TRAIL!!") Maybe it wasn't from your
bike at all.

But now I’m scared of the bike because I’ve read your stories and you’ve told
me the perils of wiggly fenders and poor mechanics. (Fun fact: the mechanic in
question actually assembled my whole Clem L. Yay!) I decide to ditch my Clem L
and ride the cast-off Clem H that I’m saving for my son to grow into. I tweak
it a bit, put a Randi Jo bag on the bars for my essentials and go.

Roberta calls mixtes “trip throughs.” I would call a diamond frame a “fall on
top of.” I don’t actually fall over it, but we cannot rule this out. I am
immediately aware of what a BRAT I have become. I can’t live with these grips.
These bars are not high enough and close enough for my liking. I smirk when I
realize how ridiculous it is to say so about one of Grant’s bikes. I wish my
Betty Foy was not disassembled and packed because I would ride that bike
instead. The Cheviot I’m ordering won’t arrive until August (so, September) and
I spend the rest of the ride in misery worrying over my disabled Clem and about
being bikeless. I make myself thoroughly miserable and come home after only 5.6
miles. I look longingly at my bike in the garage, wonder if it’s really *that*
dangerous to ride it. I have become a brat, snooty about bikes and I know it. I
can only ride Rivendells. And only if they have a certain stem I like, and
those Ergon grips. Ok, one bike. I can ride like one bike - the Clem L with the
wiggly fender that threatens to crash me at any moment.

Get that fender fixed and all will be well. In the meantime, maybe just
take it off. It'll take you 10 seconds to figure out how. Seriously,
it's that obvious.

I don’t know if I’m supposed to be going to bike shops during COVID-19. I don’t
have the fender parts I need yet anyway. It looks like Old Blue is going to be
my ride for the foreseeable future. If you guys want to shed real tears for the
terrible situation I find myself in, I’m totally ok with that. 

"Social distance" - how close to you need to get to anyone in a bike
shop? 10' is certainly close enough. Pay with a credit card. Wash
your hands. Here's a link to a good video on hand washing:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rnI0PHIFEMA=2s

It's going to be less crowded in a bike shop than in your supermarket.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Joe Bernard

This reminds me there's gotta be a better way to cover wheels than this. I love 
the look, I love the not getting sprayed with stuff on the street, but this 
"hope they don't fail" business is for the birds. Birds who like that kind of 
thing. 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Elias Hakim

I’ll agree with that Steve.
I can imagine situations where having a rear wheel lock up would be quite
stressful and dangerous, even if you were able to maintain control.
Riding in heavy traffic and crossing major intersections are two situations
that are easy to think of.

Btw- I do still run fenders on some bikes. One of my takeaways was to
increase the frequency and intensity of my “bolt checks”. Failure is always
in the back of my mind and frequently I will stop to give a tightness check
if those thoughts are disrupting my flow state.

Robert, SLC


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:31 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Can a rear wheel lock up be problematic?
>
> Let me tell you a little story.  A few years ago, a colleague at work
> wrapped a cast-off sweater around her seat post and rear rack.  As she was
> riding along, an arm of the sweater came loose.  It got wrapped up in the
> back wheel, which locked.  Her bike skidded, she crashed, and spent most of
> the next year out of work having and recovering from multiple surgeries.
>
> Is it likely?  Probably not.  As someone mentioned, you can control rear
> skids.  On the other hand, many people lose control if their rear wheel
> skids -- it's how most crashes on the local bike trail happen, rear wheel
> skids on slippery boardwalk or bridge, and most people simply lose control
> and crash.
>
> Something similar happened with a rear mud flap to one of Jan Heine's
> riding companions on Paris Brest Paris last year.  He managed to avoid a
> crash.
>
> In any event, it's not something you want to happen.
> On 3/15/20 2:44 PM, Elias Hakim wrote:
>
> Leah,
> Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my front
> fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help secure the
> fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed riding that nut
> eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and contacted the wheel.
> It had enough force the twist the fork crown and place the dropouts behind
> the down tube. I was lucky to escape with an overnight in the hospital, a
> grade III ac separation, a concussion, and serious road rash on legs, arms,
> stomach, shoulders, and lower back. It took me over a year and a half to
> regain confidence riding down the slightest hill and to this day I dislike
> high speed road descents.
>
> Though it was a costly way to learn, I did come away with a number of
> lessons and strong opinions.
>
> I imagine a rear fender issue could be problematic, but certainly less
> catastrophic than a front failure.
>
> Robert, SLC
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:55 AM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I
>> won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I
>> wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us
>> what happened? I hope you are ok.
>>
>> Best,
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the
>> bolt- not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the
>> know-how and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave
>> the shop "as is"
>>
>> That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop.
>> Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed
>> wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other
>> safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?
>>
>> FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was
>> omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a
>> spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile
>> bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a
>> suitable solution.
>>
>> Good luck finding a reputable shop!
>>
>> -Robert, SLC
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Steve Palincsar
>>> Alexandria, Virginia
>>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar

Can a rear wheel lock up be problematic?

Let me tell you a little story. A few years ago, a colleague at work
wrapped a cast-off sweater around her seat post and rear rack. As she
was riding along, an arm of the sweater came loose. It got wrapped up
in the back wheel, which locked. Her bike skidded, she crashed, and
spent most of the next year out of work having and recovering from
multiple surgeries.

Is it likely? Probably not. As someone mentioned, you can control rear
skids. On the other hand, many people lose control if their rear wheel
skids -- it's how most crashes on the local bike trail happen, rear
wheel skids on slippery boardwalk or bridge, and most people simply lose
control and crash.

Something similar happened with a rear mud flap to one of Jan Heine's
riding companions on Paris Brest Paris last year. He managed to avoid a
crash.

In any event, it's not something you want to happen.

On 3/15/20 2:44 PM, Elias Hakim wrote:

Leah,
Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my
front fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help
secure the fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed
riding that nut eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and
contacted the wheel. It had enough force the twist the fork crown and
place the dropouts behind the down tube. I was lucky to escape with an
overnight in the hospital, a grade III ac separation, a concussion,
and serious road rash on legs, arms, stomach, shoulders, and lower
back. It took me over a year and a half to regain confidence riding
down the slightest hill and to this day I dislike high speed road
descents.

Though it was a costly way to learn, I did come away with a number of
lessons and strong opinions.

I imagine a rear fender issue could be problematic, but certainly less
catastrophic than a front failure.

Robert, SLC

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:55 AM Leah Peterson
mailto:jonasandle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious
mistake, I won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a
little concerned - I wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a
wreck. Do you mind telling us what happened? I hope you are ok.

Best,
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim
mailto:elias.robert.ha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have
the bolt- not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't
have the know-how and actually allowed a bicycle with an
unsecured fender to leave the shop "as is"

That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon
the shop. Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly
following a high speed wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also
makes me wonder, what other safety issues is the mechanic
oblivious to?

FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip
was omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help
turn up a spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill,
some low-profile bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather
washer will also be a suitable solution.

Good luck finding a reputable shop!

-Robert, SLC

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar
wrote:

It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the
requisite bolt.

Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread ted

Front fenders are much more problematic than rear ones. A friend of mine 
recently picked up a stick with her front tire which lodged under her front 
fender. She is now recovering from a broken arm and can’t ride (except on an 
indoor trainer). I once had a rear fender accordion up against the rear brake 
bridge locking up the rear wheel. It was very disconcerting but manageable.
Perhaps the worst thing about the fascination with racing bikes and the 
attendant marginalization of fenders is the resulting proliferation of 
“mechanics” who’ve no idea what to do with them. If fenders on bikes weren’t so 
uncommon such incompetence wouldn’t be tolerated.

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Elias Hakim

Leah,
Steve nailed the synapse of it. Big difference was that it was my front
fender. I didn’t use a nylock nut or something similar to help secure the
fork crown mount. After many, many miles of high speed riding that nut
eventually vibrated loose and the fender dropped and contacted the wheel.
It had enough force the twist the fork crown and place the dropouts behind
the down tube. I was lucky to escape with an overnight in the hospital, a
grade III ac separation, a concussion, and serious road rash on legs, arms,
stomach, shoulders, and lower back. It took me over a year and a half to
regain confidence riding down the slightest hill and to this day I dislike
high speed road descents.

Though it was a costly way to learn, I did come away with a number of
lessons and strong opinions.

I imagine a rear fender issue could be problematic, but certainly less
catastrophic than a front failure.

Robert, SLC

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:55 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I
> won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I
> wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us
> what happened? I hope you are ok.
>
> Best,
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt-
> not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how
> and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop
> "as is"
>
> That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop.
> Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed
> wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other
> safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?
>
> FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was
> omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a
> spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile
> bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a
> suitable solution.
>
> Good luck finding a reputable shop!
>
> -Robert, SLC
>
>
> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.
>>
>
>
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia
>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Steve Palincsar

Wiggly fender comes in contact with wheel, gets sucked into the space
between the tire and the fork, wheel locks because it's jammed and Bye
Bye Love...

On 3/15/20 1:54 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake,
I won’t go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned
- I wouldn’t have known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind
telling us what happened? I hope you are ok.

Best,
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim
wrote:

I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the
bolt- not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have
the know-how and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender
to leave the shop "as is"

That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the
shop. Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a
high speed wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder,
what other safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?

FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was
omitted a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up
a spare part. Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some
low-profile bolts, a small "L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer
will also be a suitable solution.

Good luck finding a reputable shop!

-Robert, SLC

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It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite
bolt.

Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Leah Peterson

Robert, after hearing that this wiggly fender is an egregious mistake, I won’t 
go back to that shop. Your accident has me a little concerned - I wouldn’t have 
known a fender could cause a wreck. Do you mind telling us what happened? I 
hope you are ok. 

Best,
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Robert Hakim  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt- 
> not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how and 
> actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop "as is"
> 
> That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop. 
> Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed wreck 
> due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other safety issues 
> is the mechanic oblivious to?
> 
> FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was omitted a 
> quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a spare part. 
> Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile bolts, a small "L" 
> clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a suitable solution. 
> 
> Good luck finding a reputable shop! 
> 
> -Robert, SLC
> 
> 
>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.   
>> 
>  
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-15 Thread Robert Hakim

I agree that it is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the bolt- 
not only the bolt, though- it amazes me that they don't have the know-how 
and actually allowed a bicycle with an unsecured fender to leave the shop 
"as is"

That, to me, is a huge red flag and I would immediately abandon the shop. 
Though that may seem extreme I suffered greatly following a high speed 
wreck due to an unsecured fender. It also makes me wonder, what other 
safety issues is the mechanic oblivious to?

FWIW, in the off chance there was a packing error and that clip was omitted 
a quick email to the friendly folks at VO would help turn up a spare part. 
Also, as others have mentioned, a drill, some low-profile bolts, a small 
"L" clamp, and a nylon or leather washer will also be a suitable solution. 

Good luck finding a reputable shop! 

-Robert, SLC

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:34:37 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.   
>

> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-14 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 3/13/20 11:33 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

Ryan is right, as incompetent as I am here, I’m a whiz in the kitchen, but it 
was easy to get there with great, prolific chefs to teach me their methodology 
in their cookbooks. Wrenching would be better taught (at least to me) in 
person. And Riv bikes are different than the typical bikes that an instructor 
might demonstrate on within a collective class.



Some of the youtube videos aren't bad, and there are plenty of "how to" 
bike maintenance books.  But sure, in person is excellent.


In this specific case, perhaps you can jump start your education with a 
little concentrated thought.  Look at the way the struts attach to the 
fender and to the frame.  See if you can visualize what they're doing.  
Now take a hard look at that fender and see if you can in your 
imagination visualize what sort of attachment would stabilize it.


I can add three bits of information to the process.

1) if you need to adjust the curve of the fender, it works like this: if 
you spread out the edges, widening the space where the tire goes under 
the fender, the curve of the fender tightens and if you squeeze the 
edges together, narrowing the space, the curve of the fender opens up.  
Aluminum is soft and can easily be squeezed together or opened up by hand.


2) unlike plastic fenders (you've probably installed and removed plastic 
fenders before) you can't adjust the shape of the fender by pulling it 
into line with the fender stays.  If you do, you put the aluminum under 
stress which over time will lead to cracking. You've got to get the 
stress out of it by reshaping the fender so it sits where you want it to 
sit without tension from the fender stays.


3) you need holes in the fender to bolt it to attachment points on the 
bicycle.  Fenders often come without the holes (because the mounting 
points on frames aren't standardized).  Fenders are flexible, so mocking 
up a fit (with masking tape, etc.) and marking all the hole locations 
and drilling them all at once wont work because once you bolt down one 
end of the fender the shape changes a tiny  bit and the other holes 
won't line up anymore. This means you have to make a hole and bolt it 
down, mark the next location, unbolt everything, remove the fender, mark 
and drill the next hole, re-attach, mark the next location, unbolt, 
drill, reattach.



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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-14 Thread Mark Roland

As a gal who swapped out stems more than once, I do not believe this task 
would be that difficult for you. Yes, fenders can be a little tricky. But 
on the plus side VO fenders are more straightforward than Honjos.

I think the biggest obstacle with stuff like this is our mindset--and I 
admit, that is not easy to change! But you appear to have a 
somewhat...determined personality. I would get the VO instructions from its 
website, order the $5 bracket and some leather washers, or maybe a full kit 
so you have a bolt and some spare parts. You'll have that fender de-wiggled 
before it's time to cook supper. And who knows, eventually you could open a 
bike shop. The Henderson Helping Hand? No, The Wiggly Fender! (Or Bicycle 
Bell Ding Ding. That'd work too;^)

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 10:43:29 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> This always happens to me. I even printed the directions for the guy. He 
> mounted them beautifully, though. I’m running out of mechanics to try 
> here
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>  
>
> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.   
> And I'm with Joe: this is beyond slip-shod.  I'm sure the included 
> instructions mentioned that bracket and how to install it.
> On 3/13/20 10:26 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>
> So, do I need a bolt, too? Where do I get THAT? I don’t think the mechanic 
> gave me back the extra parts. I’m off the garage to dig around and see!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Joe Bernard   
> wrote:
>
> Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped onto 
> your fender, then bolted to the brake bridge. Was it not in the package? Did 
> he toss it and tell you "it'll be fine, lady" ? I have questions and I'm 
> annoyed, that's not how you install fenders when someone hands you money and 
> says, "Hey, can you install my fenders?" 廊 
> https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-sliding-fender-bracket-wide
>
> Joe "annoyed in California" Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-14 Thread Joe Bernard

I don't think you're going to get those instructions to work for Leah any more 
than she could tell me how to make her chicken: Theoretically we can both be 
taught these things, but in reality that's just not gonna happen. 

I had the brilliant idea to buy that bracket and shape it to a fender here, 
then ship it to her to slide on her fender, but of course it's not that simple. 
She would need to remove her rear wheel (she doesn't have a workstand), unbolt 
the fender at the kickstand plate, tip it back, slide the bracket on, get that 
baby attached to the bridge, fender bolted at the plate again and wheel back 
in. Easy! 

I think the better plan is she's going to need a new bike shop - in Vegas I 
presume because she's out of them in Henderson - to finish the job she paid the 
last guy to do. I cannot BELIEVE he didn't use that bracket! 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-14 Thread ascpgh

After I finish my weekend shifts I'll send you a copy of the fender 
installation instructions Rene Herse (nee Compass Cycles) put together with 
Peter Weigle. 

Bicycle mechanics is a lot like learning anatomy and physiology; structure 
and function. If you can determine one, you can surmise the other. Trying 
to learn "The 175 Steps of Bicycle Fender Installation" is a mindlessly bad 
pattern that much education seems to copy, when seeing the situation, 
getting your hands on things and observing the results (sounds familiar to 
other processes) really plugs this task into your mind. With it you are 
able to overcome variables and apply your skills as situations evolve and 
obsolete that list of 175 steps.

Off into the new world today, not sure what's coming next, but not my first 
round of plans changing on the fly. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 10:43:29 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> This always happens to me. I even printed the directions for the guy. He 
> mounted them beautifully, though. I’m running out of mechanics to try 
> here
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>  
>
> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.   
> And I'm with Joe: this is beyond slip-shod.  I'm sure the included 
> instructions mentioned that bracket and how to install it.
> On 3/13/20 10:26 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>
> So, do I need a bolt, too? Where do I get THAT? I don’t think the mechanic 
> gave me back the extra parts. I’m off the garage to dig around and see!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Joe Bernard   
> wrote:
>
> Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped onto 
> your fender, then bolted to the brake bridge. Was it not in the package? Did 
> he toss it and tell you "it'll be fine, lady" ? I have questions and I'm 
> annoyed, that's not how you install fenders when someone hands you money and 
> says, "Hey, can you install my fenders?" 廊 
> https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-sliding-fender-bracket-wide
>
> Joe "annoyed in California" Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-14 Thread kim young

Leah - do you know if your REI’s bike shop is any good ?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> What Ryan is referring to and the rest of you don’t know, is that the
> mechanic in question packed my Clementine so I could ship it when it
> sold...and he didn’t zip tie the front wheel.  You might imagine what
> happened next. When my buyer received the bike the paint damage would make
> most Riv-lovers feel faint. I actually lost sleep.
>
> The mechanic before him at a different shop had a few foibles as well, but
> he went out of business and as you can see, I’m running out of mechanics
> here.
>
> Ryan is right, as incompetent as I am here, I’m a whiz in the kitchen, but
> it was easy to get there with great, prolific chefs to teach me their
> methodology in their cookbooks. Wrenching would be better taught (at least
> to me) in person. And Riv bikes are different than the typical bikes that
> an instructor might demonstrate on within a collective class.
>
> I need Riv friends in the same city as me!
> Helpless in Henderson,
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:22 PM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Leah,
> > To bad you can not go back and ask the mechanic who installed them.
> 臘‍♂️.  Poor guy.  Just kidding trickle down big box stores are about
> profit not doing things 100% right or perfectly serving the customer.
> Sometimes both the company and mechanic are victims.
> > Now I am nervous how Joe will interpret my packing job.
> >
> > Ryan “ still believes Leah can learn to be her own mechanic; it is
> easier than her high level family meal creating” Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-14 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

The video downloads and plays just fine. 
This is really distressing to see and read about. Both the cluelessly 
unattached fender and the thoughtless packing job of your bike. So sorry 
for what this shop has put you through.
>
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

I will come out next March and lead the Riv Girl group through basic survival 
mechanics if you feed me and allow me to shoot hoops and or rollerblade with 
your boys at the part when you all are on your home based U24H girl coffee 
rides.

Ryan “ lost without coaching maybe I will hit up a bike building course for the 
next 2-3 weeks” Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Leah Peterson

What Ryan is referring to and the rest of you don’t know, is that the mechanic 
in question packed my Clementine so I could ship it when it sold...and he 
didn’t zip tie the front wheel.  You might imagine what happened next. When my 
buyer received the bike the paint damage would make most Riv-lovers feel faint. 
I actually lost sleep. 

The mechanic before him at a different shop had a few foibles as well, but he 
went out of business and as you can see, I’m running out of mechanics here.

Ryan is right, as incompetent as I am here, I’m a whiz in the kitchen, but it 
was easy to get there with great, prolific chefs to teach me their methodology 
in their cookbooks. Wrenching would be better taught (at least to me) in 
person. And Riv bikes are different than the typical bikes that an instructor 
might demonstrate on within a collective class.

I need Riv friends in the same city as me!
Helpless in Henderson,
Leah

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:22 PM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Leah,
> To bad you can not go back and ask the mechanic who installed them.  臘‍♂️.  
> Poor guy.  Just kidding trickle down big box stores are about profit not 
> doing things 100% right or perfectly serving the customer.  Sometimes both 
> the company and mechanic are victims.  
> Now I am nervous how Joe will interpret my packing job.
> 
> Ryan “ still believes Leah can learn to be her own mechanic; it is easier 
> than her high level family meal creating” Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Joe Bernard

Seriously, have you seen her cooking on the Instagram?? I can fix bikes all day 
but I can't do THAT! 

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah,
To bad you can not go back and ask the mechanic who installed them.  臘‍♂️.  
Poor guy.  Just kidding trickle down big box stores are about profit not doing 
things 100% right or perfectly serving the customer.  Sometimes both the 
company and mechanic are victims.  
Now I am nervous how Joe will interpret my packing job.

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her high level family meal creating” Hankinson

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Leah Peterson

This always happens to me. I even printed the directions for the guy. He 
mounted them beautifully, though. I’m running out of mechanics to try here

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite bolt.   And 
> I'm with Joe: this is beyond slip-shod.  I'm sure the included instructions 
> mentioned that bracket and how to install it.
> 
> On 3/13/20 10:26 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>> So, do I need a bolt, too? Where do I get THAT? I don’t think the mechanic 
>> gave me back the extra parts. I’m off the garage to dig around and see!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped 
>>> onto your fender, then bolted to the brake bridge. Was it not in the 
>>> package? Did he toss it and tell you "it'll be fine, lady" ? I have 
>>> questions and I'm annoyed, that's not how you install fenders when someone 
>>> hands you money and says, "Hey, can you install my fenders?" 廊 
>>> 
>>> https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-sliding-fender-bracket-wide
>>> 
>>> Joe "annoyed in California" Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Steve Palincsar

It is beyond belief that a bike shop would not have the requisite 
bolt.   And I'm with Joe: this is beyond slip-shod.  I'm sure the 
included instructions mentioned that bracket and how to install it.


On 3/13/20 10:26 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:

So, do I need a bolt, too? Where do I get THAT? I don’t think the mechanic gave 
me back the extra parts. I’m off the garage to dig around and see!

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped onto your fender, then 
bolted to the brake bridge. Was it not in the package? Did he toss it and tell you "it'll be 
fine, lady" ? I have questions and I'm annoyed, that's not how you install fenders when 
someone hands you money and says, "Hey, can you install my fenders?" 廊

https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-sliding-fender-bracket-wide

Joe "annoyed in California" Bernard


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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Leah Peterson

So, do I need a bolt, too? Where do I get THAT? I don’t think the mechanic gave 
me back the extra parts. I’m off the garage to dig around and see!

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped onto 
> your fender, then bolted to the brake bridge. Was it not in the package? Did 
> he toss it and tell you "it'll be fine, lady" ? I have questions and I'm 
> annoyed, that's not how you install fenders when someone hands you money and 
> says, "Hey, can you install my fenders?" 廊 
> 
> https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-sliding-fender-bracket-wide
> 
> Joe "annoyed in California" Bernard
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[RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Joe Bernard

Here's the unbent doohickey your installer should have bent and crimped onto 
your fender, then bolted to the brake bridge. Was it not in the package? Did he 
toss it and tell you "it'll be fine, lady" ? I have questions and I'm annoyed, 
that's not how you install fenders when someone hands you money and says, "Hey, 
can you install my fenders?" 廊 

https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-sliding-fender-bracket-wide

Joe "annoyed in California" Bernard

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Re: [RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Steve Palincsar

According to VO, your fender came witha hardware kit that includes: 5mm
polished aluminum stays, R-clips and screws, L bracket, reinforcement
plates, stay-to-fender closed eyelet bolts, fork crown daruma, sliding
bracket, leather washers, and detailed installation instructions.

I believe the part you're looking for is the "sliding bracket."

You don't want to leave it wiggly. That will fatigue and break the fender.

I'm kind of surprised your mechanic couldn't figure a way to mount that
fender. Even an L shaped bracket bolted to the fender with the other
end bolted to the brake bridge would do it.

On 3/13/20 9:44 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
My dearest wish is to move to a city where there is a group of Riv
people so I no longer have to come to public forums and share my
ignorance about bike mechanics!

Here’s my latest. I got my pretty VO fenders (I call them my waterfall
fenders) installed a few months ago and they work great. Nearly
silent, lovely to behold and they actually work. However, the rear
fender is wiggly. It’s because - and the mechanic showed me at the
installation - there doesn’t seem to be a way to secure the fender to
the frame. Well, actually, the frame has a place but the fender
doesn’t seem to have a way to attach itself. The mechanic couldn’t
figure it out so I certainly am not going to. He told me it would
wiggle but it didn’t make any noice, so he hoped I could live with it.
I was riding around fine this way because I am full of quirks and what
is one more? But that was until Roberta noticed my one wiggly fender
and thinks there’s a fix for it, and suddenly I cannot live like this.

Do you know how to fix it?

I’m attaching a video in a reply to this post, which I think will work
on the desktop version of this Google group. I think it will prompt
you to download, and then you can see the mess I am in. Or else this
video won’t work at all and then I’ll have made an even worse mess!

Thanks (again),
Leah
PS I think Wiggly Fender would make an excellent name for a rock band.
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[RBW] Helpless in Nevada: How do you secure this fender?

2020-03-13 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

My dearest wish is to move to a city where there is a group of Riv people
so I no longer have to come to public forums and share my ignorance about
bike mechanics!

Here’s my latest. I got my pretty VO fenders (I call them my waterfall
fenders) installed a few months ago and they work great. Nearly silent,
lovely to behold and they actually work. However, the rear fender is
wiggly. It’s because - and the mechanic showed me at the installation -
there doesn’t seem to be a way to secure the fender to the frame. Well,
actually, the frame has a place but the fender doesn’t seem to have a way
to attach itself. The mechanic couldn’t figure it out so I certainly am not
going to. He told me it would wiggle but it didn’t make any noice, so he
hoped I could live with it. I was riding around fine this way because I am
full of quirks and what is one more? But that was until Roberta noticed my
one wiggly fender and thinks there’s a fix for it, and suddenly I cannot
live like this.

Do you know how to fix it?

I’m attaching a video in a reply to this post, which I think will work on
the desktop version of this Google group. I think it will prompt you to
download, and then you can see the mess I am in. Or else this video won’t
work at all and then I’ll have made an even worse mess!

Thanks (again),
Leah
PS I think Wiggly Fender would make an excellent name for a rock band.

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