Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[John Stowe]

The Pass & Stow works great with top loads and panniers. When I have a 
child seat blocking the rear rack, I can move panniers to the front, no 
problem. I do wish that I had a bag for the top rack for better load 
balancing, but I too have had problems with Freight - fortunately, it 
seems, before giving them any money. 

The feature that attracted me to Freight's version was their backpack 
straps. Matthew, or someone else with a Swift bag, do you think the 
retaining clips on the back of the Swift are far enough apart that they 
could be used as attachment points for backpack straps, along with the loop 
at the top?



On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 11:08:40 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Got here too late.  Very happy with my Pass Stow.  
>>
>>
> n.b.:  While the Freight Bag Dan mentions above looks nice, my experience 
> with the company is very bad.  I paid for one on line.  Bag never showed. 
>  All my e-mails were for naught.  I guess I could have sued, but being out 
> of state makes pressing a small claims case throwing good money after bad.
>
> The Swift Pelican I ultimately got works well.
>

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Steven Sweedler]

I always thought the quote "Hoopless is Hopeless"   referring to front
Lowriders was from Gary Helfrich. Someone either here or on the Bob list
attributed this to Bruce Gordon recently. Steve

On Friday, March 11, 2016, blakcloud  wrote:

> Pass and Stow were at NAHBS and while I was there the infamous Gary
> Helfrich came by and bought a rack. That to me is a ringing endorsement to
> the quality and build of Pass and Stow.
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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Kieran J]

The CETMA racks are, unfortunately, garbage. I have an older generation 
Half-Rack and the workmanship is very poor - I almost thought about trying 
to return it when I got it, I was so dismayed. 

The P seems miles better in terms of quality. I intended to get one 
before going all in on a custom one.

KJ

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 2:55:02 PM UTC-5, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>
>
> P.S.  Not that it matters in this instance, but the CETMA Half Rack is 
> also pannier compatible...
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[ian m]

Mounting to the fork crown is an interesting idea. The slots are set a bit 
wider than the fork though, so you may have to do some bending to get that 
to work. Don't write off the stock mounting plate, it's sturdy and very 
easy to set up.

Here's my 650 Clem with P rack carrying about 15lbs of kibble.




Great rack, ridden thousands of miles with it before getting the Clem. A 
little bit of shimmy at downhill speed but I usually ride the brakes with a 
load as I'm afraid of hitting a bump and losing a 12 pack. I generally 
don't ride with front panniers as I find too much weight up front to makes 
handling feel like I'm riding a cart pulled by a team of oxen, but I have 
thrown on a pair when I had no rack load and appreciate the option.

You won't be disappointed, these are so much better than a Cetma rack, and 
I say that having owned one prior to the P

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 11:22:31 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Thanks for all that replied. My Clem has cantilever brakes (built it up 
> from a frameset) so there shouldn't be any interference mounting to center 
> hole. Looks like I could use the mounting slots to use a couple struts and 
> utilize the top fork mounts. I'll try the rack mount as it is first of 
> course.
> I'll be making my own bags, panniers and a low profile porteur bag of some 
> sort. I'll have time to figure that out. I also added a rear Tubus Vega 
> rack, so Clem will be able to haul quite a bit once the front rack arrives.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Got here too late.  Very happy with my Pass Stow.  
>>>
>>>
>> n.b.:  While the Freight Bag Dan mentions above looks nice, my experience 
>> with the company is very bad.  I paid for one on line.  Bag never showed. 
>>  All my e-mails were for naught.  I guess I could have sued, but being out 
>> of state makes pressing a small claims case throwing good money after bad.
>>
>> The Swift Pelican I ultimately got works well.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[René Sterental]

I used my P rack on both my Hunqapillar and my Atlantis and mounted via
the internal cable route an Edelux I headlight. It worked very well, and I
used it mostly with a basket for the Sackville ShopSacks. It is one of the
first steel (not black) racks they started doing and its held up very well.

Since I've now settled on the Campee front/rear racks for the Atlantis
which I like better, I'm going to sell my P rack and for now, keeping the
Edelux light installed in it.

I will be traveling on Saturday for two weeks, so the formal post will come
later, but if anyone is interested, please let me know off-list. Asking
$300 + shipping for the combo OBO.

René

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:

> Late to the party, but I will share a couple thoughts.  By all accounts
> the P rack is nice, but it is also as expensive as a custom porteur rack
> and the more adaptable a rack is, generally the more flexible and heavier
> it will be.  Depending on your goal and price point, there are a couple
> CETMA racks that are similar function and cheaper, if more crude (
> http://cetmacargo.com/pages/cetma-racks-info), and Wald has a giant
> rack-sket now (
> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/front-baskets/257-ewalde28099s-multi-fit-front-rack/)
> that is way cheaper than anything similar.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
>
>> I just needed one solid endorsement. Sent in my payment just now. For
>> those interested, current queue time is 6-8 weeks.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:55:07 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a P rack on my Bombadil. Extremely versatile -- I've had a
>>> large Wald basket on it, and I've also ridden the bike with small Berthoud
>>> panniers on it (paired with medium Berthoud panniers on the rear, with
>>> tent, sleeping bag and pad spread over the rack platforms. Rode well in all
>>> configurations. Pics of various iterations are on my Flickr stream.
>>>
>>> You didn't ask this question specifically, but I'll answer it anyway:
>>> the P rack is beautifully made and well thought out. It has light mounts,
>>> and provides for internal routing of wiring. Very solid and flexible
>>> mounting system. I love it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my
>>> Clem. While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had
>>> pretty good success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to
>>> go back on another back.
>>> What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light,
>>> bulky items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order
>>> easily.
>>> I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd need
>>> to add a basket on top.
>>> Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious about
>>> folks using that rack with front panniers.
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Matthew J]

P.S.  Not that it matters in this instance, but the CETMA Half Rack is also 
pannier compatible...

Indeed.  Cetma is also a versatile design. 

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Matthew J]

I gave a custom porteur rack to someone on the list.  Always wondered 
whether he was able to get it to work on his bike.  With luck he sees this 
and chimes in. 

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[David Banzer]

I did just see that the Cetma half rack will take panniers. Style just 
isn't for me.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 1:55:02 PM UTC-6, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> Yes, I had to send out my fork and front fender when I had my custom SS 
> porteur rack made years ago.  And if you anticipate changing bikes, the P 
> can adapt to the new one as well.  And if you find a porteur rack isn't for 
> you, a P will retain more of its value than a custom rack, although a 
> custom for a relatively common bike would probably also be pretty easy to 
> sell...
>
> Doug
>
> P.S.  Not that it matters in this instance, but the CETMA Half Rack is 
> also pannier compatible...
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:37 PM, David Banzer  > wrote:
>
>> I considered going custom, pricepoint would've been similar for a porteur 
>> rack with rails for panniers. The downside would be I'd need to send the 
>> builder my fork, then I'd be out my daily rider for a while. The P rack's 
>> ability to fit other bikes is a plus for me. If I ever get an itch to set 
>> up my Clem differently, the rack will easily fit a couple other bikes I 
>> have. If I'd gone custom, the rack most likely wouldn't fit another bike.
>> The goal was to have a porteur rack platform with front panniers. Price 
>> wise, Nitto 32f & Hub Area Rack would be more expensive and I wouldn't have 
>> the large platform.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-6, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>>
>>> Late to the party, but I will share a couple thoughts.  By all accounts 
>>> the P rack is nice, but it is also as expensive as a custom porteur rack 
>>> and the more adaptable a rack is, generally the more flexible and heavier 
>>> it will be.  Depending on your goal and price point, there are a couple 
>>> CETMA racks that are similar function and cheaper, if more crude (
>>> http://cetmacargo.com/pages/cetma-racks-info 
>>> ),
>>>  
>>> and Wald has a giant rack-sket now (
>>> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/front-baskets/257-ewalde28099s-multi-fit-front-rack/)
>>>  
>>> that is way cheaper than anything similar.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>>
 I just needed one solid endorsement. Sent in my payment just now. For 
 those interested, current queue time is 6-8 weeks.
 David
 Chicago

 On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:55:07 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
> I have a P rack on my Bombadil. Extremely versatile -- I've had a 
> large Wald basket on it, and I've also ridden the bike with small 
> Berthoud 
> panniers on it (paired with medium Berthoud panniers on the rear, with 
> tent, sleeping bag and pad spread over the rack platforms. Rode well in 
> all 
> configurations. Pics of various iterations are on my Flickr stream. 
>
> You didn't ask this question specifically, but I'll answer it anyway: 
> the P rack is beautifully made and well thought out. It has light 
> mounts, 
> and provides for internal routing of wiring. Very solid and flexible 
> mounting system. I love it. 
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
>
> I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my 
> Clem. While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had 
> pretty good success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to 
> go back on another back. 
> What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light, 
> bulky items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order 
> easily.
> I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd 
> need to add a basket on top.
> Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious 
> about folks using that rack with front panniers.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Doug Van Cleve]

Yes, I had to send out my fork and front fender when I had my custom SS
porteur rack made years ago.  And if you anticipate changing bikes, the P
can adapt to the new one as well.  And if you find a porteur rack isn't for
you, a P will retain more of its value than a custom rack, although a
custom for a relatively common bike would probably also be pretty easy to
sell...

Doug

P.S.  Not that it matters in this instance, but the CETMA Half Rack is also
pannier compatible...

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:37 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> I considered going custom, pricepoint would've been similar for a porteur
> rack with rails for panniers. The downside would be I'd need to send the
> builder my fork, then I'd be out my daily rider for a while. The P rack's
> ability to fit other bikes is a plus for me. If I ever get an itch to set
> up my Clem differently, the rack will easily fit a couple other bikes I
> have. If I'd gone custom, the rack most likely wouldn't fit another bike.
> The goal was to have a porteur rack platform with front panniers. Price
> wise, Nitto 32f & Hub Area Rack would be more expensive and I wouldn't have
> the large platform.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-6, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>>
>> Late to the party, but I will share a couple thoughts.  By all accounts
>> the P rack is nice, but it is also as expensive as a custom porteur rack
>> and the more adaptable a rack is, generally the more flexible and heavier
>> it will be.  Depending on your goal and price point, there are a couple
>> CETMA racks that are similar function and cheaper, if more crude (
>> http://cetmacargo.com/pages/cetma-racks-info
>> ),
>> and Wald has a giant rack-sket now (
>> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/front-baskets/257-ewalde28099s-multi-fit-front-rack/)
>> that is way cheaper than anything similar.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>
>>> I just needed one solid endorsement. Sent in my payment just now. For
>>> those interested, current queue time is 6-8 weeks.
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:55:07 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:

 I have a P rack on my Bombadil. Extremely versatile -- I've had a
 large Wald basket on it, and I've also ridden the bike with small Berthoud
 panniers on it (paired with medium Berthoud panniers on the rear, with
 tent, sleeping bag and pad spread over the rack platforms. Rode well in all
 configurations. Pics of various iterations are on my Flickr stream.

 You didn't ask this question specifically, but I'll answer it anyway:
 the P rack is beautifully made and well thought out. It has light mounts,
 and provides for internal routing of wiring. Very solid and flexible
 mounting system. I love it.



 On Mar 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

 I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my
 Clem. While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had
 pretty good success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to
 go back on another back.
 What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light,
 bulky items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order
 easily.
 I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd
 need to add a basket on top.
 Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious
 about folks using that rack with front panniers.
 David
 Chicago


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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Doug Van Cleve]

Probably true, my wording wasn't as precise as it should have been.  A
custom rack that is all welded/brazed will be stronger and lighter than
anything similar that bolts together, assuming similar materials.  I was
just throwing out the CETMA and Wald as non-custom options that don't cost
as much as custom rack...

Doug

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Matthew J  wrote:

> Pass Stow is definitely lighter than the Cetma 5 rail.  Not familiar with
> the other Cetma racks
> ​.
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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Matthew J]

Pass Stow is definitely lighter than the Cetma 5 rail.  Not familiar with 
the other Cetma racks.  

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[David Banzer]

I considered going custom, pricepoint would've been similar for a porteur 
rack with rails for panniers. The downside would be I'd need to send the 
builder my fork, then I'd be out my daily rider for a while. The P rack's 
ability to fit other bikes is a plus for me. If I ever get an itch to set 
up my Clem differently, the rack will easily fit a couple other bikes I 
have. If I'd gone custom, the rack most likely wouldn't fit another bike.
The goal was to have a porteur rack platform with front panniers. Price 
wise, Nitto 32f & Hub Area Rack would be more expensive and I wouldn't have 
the large platform.
David
Chicago



On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-6, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> Late to the party, but I will share a couple thoughts.  By all accounts 
> the P rack is nice, but it is also as expensive as a custom porteur rack 
> and the more adaptable a rack is, generally the more flexible and heavier 
> it will be.  Depending on your goal and price point, there are a couple 
> CETMA racks that are similar function and cheaper, if more crude (
> http://cetmacargo.com/pages/cetma-racks-info 
> ),
>  
> and Wald has a giant rack-sket now (
> http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/front-baskets/257-ewalde28099s-multi-fit-front-rack/)
>  
> that is way cheaper than anything similar.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, David Banzer  > wrote:
>
>> I just needed one solid endorsement. Sent in my payment just now. For 
>> those interested, current queue time is 6-8 weeks.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:55:07 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a P rack on my Bombadil. Extremely versatile -- I've had a 
>>> large Wald basket on it, and I've also ridden the bike with small Berthoud 
>>> panniers on it (paired with medium Berthoud panniers on the rear, with 
>>> tent, sleeping bag and pad spread over the rack platforms. Rode well in all 
>>> configurations. Pics of various iterations are on my Flickr stream. 
>>>
>>> You didn't ask this question specifically, but I'll answer it anyway: 
>>> the P rack is beautifully made and well thought out. It has light mounts, 
>>> and provides for internal routing of wiring. Very solid and flexible 
>>> mounting system. I love it. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my 
>>> Clem. While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had 
>>> pretty good success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to 
>>> go back on another back. 
>>> What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light, 
>>> bulky items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order 
>>> easily.
>>> I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd need 
>>> to add a basket on top.
>>> Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious about 
>>> folks using that rack with front panniers.
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Doug Van Cleve]

Late to the party, but I will share a couple thoughts.  By all accounts the
P rack is nice, but it is also as expensive as a custom porteur rack and
the more adaptable a rack is, generally the more flexible and heavier it
will be.  Depending on your goal and price point, there are a couple CETMA
racks that are similar function and cheaper, if more crude (
http://cetmacargo.com/pages/cetma-racks-info), and Wald has a giant
rack-sket now (
http://www.waldsports.com/index.cfm/store/front-baskets/257-ewalde28099s-multi-fit-front-rack/)
that is way cheaper than anything similar.

Doug


On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> I just needed one solid endorsement. Sent in my payment just now. For
> those interested, current queue time is 6-8 weeks.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:55:07 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> I have a P rack on my Bombadil. Extremely versatile -- I've had a large
>> Wald basket on it, and I've also ridden the bike with small Berthoud
>> panniers on it (paired with medium Berthoud panniers on the rear, with
>> tent, sleeping bag and pad spread over the rack platforms. Rode well in all
>> configurations. Pics of various iterations are on my Flickr stream.
>>
>> You didn't ask this question specifically, but I'll answer it anyway: the
>> P rack is beautifully made and well thought out. It has light mounts, and
>> provides for internal routing of wiring. Very solid and flexible mounting
>> system. I love it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
>>
>> I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my
>> Clem. While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had
>> pretty good success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to
>> go back on another back.
>> What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light, bulky
>> items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order easily.
>> I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd need
>> to add a basket on top.
>> Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious about
>> folks using that rack with front panniers.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Matthew J]

> Same experience. They claimed it was delivered. They were unable to send 
me tracking number, and said they would refund. Didn't answer any follow up 
emails for a month as I never got the refund.
> Ultimately had to go through my bank. Fortunately, I saved all emails and 
documentation and had them on record that they would refund the amount. Was 
about a week and a half of back and forth 
> between my bank and I, but got it cleared.

Yeah. I was an idiot and did not save my e-mails.  Lesson learned big time!

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Philip Kim]

Same experience. They claimed it was delivered. They were unable to send me 
tracking number, and said they would refund. Didn't answer any follow up 
emails for a month as I never got the refund. Ultimately had to go through 
my bank. Fortunately, I saved all emails and documentation and had them on 
record that they would refund the amount. Was about a week and a half of 
back and forth between my bank and I, but got it cleared.

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 11:08:40 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Got here too late.  Very happy with my Pass Stow.  
>>
>>
> n.b.:  While the Freight Bag Dan mentions above looks nice, my experience 
> with the company is very bad.  I paid for one on line.  Bag never showed. 
>  All my e-mails were for naught.  I guess I could have sued, but being out 
> of state makes pressing a small claims case throwing good money after bad.
>
> The Swift Pelican I ultimately got works well.
>

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[David Banzer]

Thanks for all that replied. My Clem has cantilever brakes (built it up 
from a frameset) so there shouldn't be any interference mounting to center 
hole. Looks like I could use the mounting slots to use a couple struts and 
utilize the top fork mounts. I'll try the rack mount as it is first of 
course.
I'll be making my own bags, panniers and a low profile porteur bag of some 
sort. I'll have time to figure that out. I also added a rear Tubus Vega 
rack, so Clem will be able to haul quite a bit once the front rack arrives.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Got here too late.  Very happy with my Pass Stow.  
>>
>>
> n.b.:  While the Freight Bag Dan mentions above looks nice, my experience 
> with the company is very bad.  I paid for one on line.  Bag never showed. 
>  All my e-mails were for naught.  I guess I could have sued, but being out 
> of state makes pressing a small claims case throwing good money after bad.
>
> The Swift Pelican I ultimately got works well.
>

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Matthew J]

Got here too late.  Very happy with my Pass Stow.  
>
>
n.b.:  While the Freight Bag Dan mentions above looks nice, my experience 
with the company is very bad.  I paid for one on line.  Bag never showed. 
 All my e-mails were for naught.  I guess I could have sued, but being out 
of state makes pressing a small claims case throwing good money after bad.

The Swift Pelican I ultimately got works well.

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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[David Banzer]

I just needed one solid endorsement. Sent in my payment just now. For those 
interested, current queue time is 6-8 weeks.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 9:55:07 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
> I have a P rack on my Bombadil. Extremely versatile -- I've had a large 
> Wald basket on it, and I've also ridden the bike with small Berthoud 
> panniers on it (paired with medium Berthoud panniers on the rear, with 
> tent, sleeping bag and pad spread over the rack platforms. Rode well in all 
> configurations. Pics of various iterations are on my Flickr stream. 
>
> You didn't ask this question specifically, but I'll answer it anyway: the 
> P rack is beautifully made and well thought out. It has light mounts, and 
> provides for internal routing of wiring. Very solid and flexible mounting 
> system. I love it. 
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM, David Banzer  
> wrote:
>
> I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my 
> Clem. While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had 
> pretty good success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to 
> go back on another back. 
> What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light, bulky 
> items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order easily.
> I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd need 
> to add a basket on top.
> Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious about 
> folks using that rack with front panniers.
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Dan McNamara]

HI David. I have a Pass & Stow on my Cheviot. I have used it with a Freight 
Porteur bag, front panniers, a Wald basket and combos of those. Keeping the 
load low helps with wheel flop. If I fill up the Porteur bag the front gets a 
mind of its own. 

The internal path for dyno wiring keeps things pretty tidy. 

My only issue was clearing the side pull brake up front - you might want to 
check the clearance for the straddle wire on the v-brakes. You could probably 
flip the mounting plate for the fork crown attachment upside down to improve 
the situation but he is happy to work on custom solutions for mounting. 

Let me know is you want more info / pics. 

Dan

- Marin 



> On Mar 9, 2016, at 7:17 AM, David Banzer  wrote:
> 
> I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my Clem. 
> While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had pretty good 
> success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to go back on 
> another back. 
> What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light, bulky 
> items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order easily.
> I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd need to 
> add a basket on top.
> Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious about 
> folks using that rack with front panniers.
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I have a P rack on my Bombadil. Extremely versatile -- I've had a large Wald 
basket on it, and I've also ridden the bike with small Berthoud panniers on it 
(paired with medium Berthoud panniers on the rear, with tent, sleeping bag and 
pad spread over the rack platforms. Rode well in all configurations. Pics of 
various iterations are on my Flickr stream.

You didn't ask this question specifically, but I'll answer it anyway: the P 
rack is beautifully made and well thought out. It has light mounts, and 
provides for internal routing of wiring. Very solid and flexible mounting 
system. I love it.



On Mar 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM, David Banzer 
> wrote:

I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my Clem. 
While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had pretty good 
success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to go back on 
another back.
What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light, bulky items 
on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order easily.
I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd need to add 
a basket on top.
Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious about folks 
using that rack with front panniers.
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Pass & Stow Porteur Rack Experiences.

[David Banzer]

I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Pass & Stow rack for my Clem. 
While Clem isn't the typical bike for a big front load, I've had pretty 
good success with a Wald basket on a Soma rack. That rack needs to go back 
on another back. 
What I'd really like is front panniers, with the option of a light, bulky 
items on top, and be able to carry the occasional takeout order easily.
I was thinking Nitto 32f front rack with the Hub Area rack, and I'd need to 
add a basket on top.
Seems like the Pass & Stow rack fits my needs better. Just curious about 
folks using that rack with front panniers.
David
Chicago

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