Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit swap on my Sam

[Brian Turner]

I’m a big fan of the chunky ESI grips. They come in a variety of colors, but I’ve also seen folks wrap them in cotton tape and twine.BrianLex Ky On May 29, 2024, at 7:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  wrote:One or two layers of 'cork' tape, covered with a delightful shade of Newbaum's.On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:45:15 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:Once again I am considering a cockpit change for my Sam Hillborne. This time I am going to upright Billie bars. For simplicity and cost savings I'm keeping the current bar end shifters. I'm currently pondering grips. I love the way cork grips look but find them to be too slippery. I've been happy with Oury grips. I like the way they feel but I don't think they look as good when you cut off the end to accommodate  bar ends shifters. I've seen the felt and twine DIY grips that Riv promotes but I don't think I have the artistic ability and patience to recreate it. What am I missing? What grips are out there that look good, feel good and work with bar ends?  



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[RBW] Re: Cockpit swap on my Sam

[Mathias Steiner]

One or two layers of 'cork' tape, covered with a delightful shade of 
Newbaum's.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:45:15 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Once again I am considering a cockpit change for my Sam Hillborne. This 
> time I am going to upright Billie bars. For simplicity and cost savings I'm 
> keeping the current bar end shifters. I'm currently pondering grips. I love 
> the way cork grips look but find them to be too slippery. I've been happy 
> with Oury grips. I like the way they feel but I don't think they look as 
> good when you cut off the end to accommodate  bar ends shifters. I've seen 
> the felt and twine DIY grips that Riv promotes but I don't think I have the 
> artistic ability and patience to recreate it. 
>
> What am I missing? What grips are out there that look good, feel good and 
> work with bar ends?  
>

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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Ian A]

Don't forget that Riv generally give a discount on parts cost when buying a 
complete. On the website they are currently giving $300 off for "Antonio's" 
build for example. Unless you have a stocked parts bin or are willing to 
shop around for everything, the Riv build will likely be the most 
economical as well as being done to a very high standard.

Doing a self-build can be very rewarding and educational. However, it is 
also easy to make mistakes, like cross-threading a bolt or dropping a tool 
on to the top tube. I would recommend rebuilding a 1970s sport touring bike 
from the ground up rather than starting on a very nice and rather costly 
Rivendell frame.

IanA Kitimat BC
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:32:14 AM UTC-7 Michael wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
> inclined. 
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
> wiser to just order it complete? 
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>

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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[fiddl...@gmail.com]

Do it! Building your awesome bike from the frame-up is one of the bestest 
bike things you can do! Just keep at it until you have a bike you’re happy 
with. Everyone who’s ever built up a bike had to start somewhere…
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:32:14 AM UTC-4 Michael wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
> inclined. 
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
> wiser to just order it complete? 
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>

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[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Tommy Love]

Your ride and your trails are lookin real good.
Tommy

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:

> hey all,
>
> this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope fully 
> my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
> here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member.  shout 
> out to Zac big thank you.
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
> that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
> have to own one at some point".
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
> group within a group.  
> You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail and 
> even running errands along the Greenway.
> Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are pretty 
> dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid rise 
> that will go on next.
> Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
>  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
> *pics coming in next post
> Ben R from El Cerrito
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

You stated wrt tires " Both bikes have Velocity Quills, set up tubeless, 
but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and the My Little Platy has 48 
mm Gravel Kings."
If both bikes are 650B, then the Angular Moment of Inertia is slightly 
higher for the 48's (larger radius, tires weigh more), so the 48s 
accelerate a little slower vs the 42's
If the 42's are 700C, the Moment of Inertia for the 42s is higher than a 
650B (larger radius) and the difference in acceleration would be less.

You stated wrt to front end shaking  "The front end feels a bit shaky when 
I stand and pedal, another thing I don’t understand. These are Albatross 
bars and I have Billies on the others. Also, this bike has a front rack. 
Maybe that’s why."
Both bikes have almost identical trail and wheel flop (assuming fork rake 
is the same since they are both stock Platy's) and the high flop causes 
side to side motion which is amplified by front weight.   So if the other 
bike has NO front rack, then the "shakiness" may be the 'amplified" side to 
side motion.  Not sure if you notice this only at low speed when climbing 
or when riding around the neighborhood at low speed (generally < 6 to 8 
mph).High wheel flop is the downside of high trail.
If the new bike bars have a shorter lever arm to the stem, then you may be 
overcompensating the side to side motion compared to the other bike

Hope this helps.   I think you did a superlative job on this new bike, 
figuring out everything in advance.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
> differences, I don’t know.
>
> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>
> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
> because they come highly lauded. 
>
> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>
> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
> having such fun in the process.
> Leah
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
> through with the 1 in for me.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
> -Wes
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>
>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>> passions turn out.
>>
>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>> gather that anodizing is colored (or 

Re: [RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree with Piaw here. It's not hard to build a bike, at least if
it's a Rivendell-type bike, if you start by buying the correct parts from a
knowledgeable shop instead of trying to learn seat-of-pants by yourelf. But
I disagree about racks and fenders: racks are rarely a problem, IME, if you
use rim brakes and even plastic fenders are not that hard to install. I
agree that the first 2 or so pairs of metal fenders will be an education,
and I suggested to a friend that if he use VOs or Honjos he buy a practice
pair along with the"real" pair; kidding but not by too much; but I managed
to install my first pair (Berthouds?) with enough time and they were only a
wee bit warped in the rear, but not noticeable unless you looked closely.
But even metal fenders aren't that hard if you have decent tools and follow
good instructions; Jitensha used to have the best instructions, but this
was a decade or more ago.

As for square taper bb bearing assemblies, they're all cartridge now* and
all you need is for a reputable shop to tell you which length you need for
a given crank.

* Unless someone wants to buy my NIP Suntour Grease Guard, 125 mm -- was
hoping it would work on Matt #1, but nope. But even loose ball bb
assemblies aren't hard as long as you have been told what size to buy; in
all of this it's the variety of lengths and which to choose for which crank
that can be confusing.

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 6:26 PM Mathias Steiner 
wrote:

> Piaw said:
>
> >> Don't worry about assembling the bike. Modern bikes are easy and modern
> parts even easier.
>
> Clearly, you have not added racks and fenders much :)
>
> Especially the latter are usually finicky... been doing this since 1986,
> can't count how many times.
> Sometimes it goes OK, but I got some Honjos to put on right now and lemme
> tell you...
>
> >> (I avoid the square taper BB for that reason)
>
> That I've had no trouble with, cartridge or traditional.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4 Piaw Na wrote:
>
>> I've been building my own bikes since 2007. It's not nearly as hard as
>> building a wheel. The only issue I can see is the the Sam Hillborne runs
>> cantilever/v-brakes, which have never worked out for me (I only buy
>> sidepull brake bikes to sidestep that problem). I recently built my wife's
>> bike. During the build due to bad lighting in my garage I assembled the
>> microshift bar-end wrong in such a way that the lever throw was half of
>> what it should have been. I scratched my head and rode it to the bike shop,
>> where the mechanic diagnosed the problem while telling me that it's silly
>> to put MTB derailleurs and a 1x drivetrain on my wife's road bike. But they
>> were about to close up shop. I decided to just ride the bike back home,
>> undo the shifter/derailleur cable assembly and redo it (which took all of
>> 15 minutes) and now the bike's perfect and she's setting PRs on her commute.
>>
>> The lesson:
>>
>>- Have good lighting in your workshop. Saves lots of time.
>>- Don't worry about assembling the bike. Modern bikes are easy and
>>modern parts even easier. (I avoid the square taper BB sfor that reason)
>>- The only way to get the parts you want on a bike is to buy them
>>yourself and assemble it yourself. I've had reputable shops like R 
>> cycles
>>refuse to custom build a road bike with a 1x drivetrain. I do it myself 
>> and
>>have no complaints about my mechanic refuse to do entirely reasonable
>>things.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:32:14 AM UTC-7 Michael wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle
>>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike
>>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically
>>> inclined.
>>>
>>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a
>>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been
>>> wiser to just order it complete?
>>>
>>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something
>>> stupid!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Leah,

You could try experimenting with the tire pressure and then standing up and
riding.  For my wide tires, I ride with low tire pressures, but if it is
"too low" for me, then the bike starts to bounce kinda like a trampoline
when I stand on my pedals.  I don't know if that's the same feeling you are
feeling, but pumping up the pressure helps remove the trampoline effect and
it transfers the power to the pavement just like a higher pressure road
tire (for me).  When my handling gets all wonky it's, "Oh *?*!, a flat!!!?"

Toshi

P.S. There are rumors that the 48 mm gravelkings are clunky slow compared
to the 42 mm gravelkings.  I don't know because I have only used the 42 mm
gravelkings.

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Re: [RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[藍俊彪]

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 5:26 PM Mathias Steiner 
wrote:

> Piaw said:
>
> >> Don't worry about assembling the bike. Modern bikes are easy and modern
> parts even easier.
>
> Clearly, you have not added racks and fenders much :)'
>

I live in California to sidestep the latter problem (btw, Ass Savers Win
Wing Gravel is amazing and perfect for the kind of riding I do), and I rely
on saddlebags to sidestep the former. When I do have to install a rack I do
take it to the local bike shop and make them do it.

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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Mathias Steiner]

Piaw said:

>> Don't worry about assembling the bike. Modern bikes are easy and modern 
parts even easier.

Clearly, you have not added racks and fenders much :)

Especially the latter are usually finicky... been doing this since 1986, 
can't count how many times. 
Sometimes it goes OK, but I got some Honjos to put on right now and lemme 
tell you...

>> (I avoid the square taper BB for that reason) 

That I've had no trouble with, cartridge or traditional. 

cheers -mathias





On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-4 Piaw Na wrote:

> I've been building my own bikes since 2007. It's not nearly as hard as 
> building a wheel. The only issue I can see is the the Sam Hillborne runs 
> cantilever/v-brakes, which have never worked out for me (I only buy 
> sidepull brake bikes to sidestep that problem). I recently built my wife's 
> bike. During the build due to bad lighting in my garage I assembled the 
> microshift bar-end wrong in such a way that the lever throw was half of 
> what it should have been. I scratched my head and rode it to the bike shop, 
> where the mechanic diagnosed the problem while telling me that it's silly 
> to put MTB derailleurs and a 1x drivetrain on my wife's road bike. But they 
> were about to close up shop. I decided to just ride the bike back home, 
> undo the shifter/derailleur cable assembly and redo it (which took all of 
> 15 minutes) and now the bike's perfect and she's setting PRs on her commute.
>
> The lesson:
>
>- Have good lighting in your workshop. Saves lots of time.
>- Don't worry about assembling the bike. Modern bikes are easy and 
>modern parts even easier. (I avoid the square taper BB sfor that reason)
>- The only way to get the parts you want on a bike is to buy them 
>yourself and assemble it yourself. I've had reputable shops like R 
> cycles 
>refuse to custom build a road bike with a 1x drivetrain. I do it myself 
> and 
>have no complaints about my mechanic refuse to do entirely reasonable 
>things.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:32:14 AM UTC-7 Michael wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>> inclined. 
>>
>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>> stupid!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Pam Bikes]

Rivsisters are always the best.  And everybody always wants to be stopped 
to talk about their bike.  So please do stop me if you see me.  I'd love to 
tell you every last detail on each part and each thing I have on my bike.  
And I'd love to know about your bike too.  

Leah knows everybody and connects everyone.


On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 8:38:09 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Ben,
>
> You ARE very lucky to have an Atlantis (the bike I would have bought if I 
> had more money years ago--I fell in love with its ride too) and a fun Sarah 
> to ride with!  
>
> Not only can we indulge our passions with wonderful riding bikes, but also 
> make friends along the way.
>
> Many happy miles to you.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hey all,
>>
>> this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope 
>> fully my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
>> here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member.  shout 
>> out to Zac big thank you.
>> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
>> that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
>> have to own one at some point".
>> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
>> group within a group.  
>> You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail 
>> and even running errands along the Greenway.
>> Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are 
>> pretty dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid 
>> rise that will go on next.
>> Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
>>  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
>> *pics coming in next post
>> Ben R from El Cerrito
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Pam Bikes]

I've unscrewed the valve core w/the Lezyne pump head.  So, if you do 
tighten the valve core first, then only screw on the pump head 3 turns.  
Tight but not too tight.  It won't unscrejar the valve core.  Most valve 
cores are not enough to begin with.  And since I check my tires which 
rarely get flats, the valve cores do get loosened over time.  (I know b/c 
once I thought I had a leak but after putting the tube in water and no 
leaks, I put a jelly jar full of water on the valve as it was in the 12 o 
clock position and I could see air bubbles from the valve.)  So try the 
screw on valve when you know everything is tight.  Maybe even do the jelly 
jar test and see how to screw on the pump head for next time.  

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 6:24:15 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words Patrick. Thankfully others appreciate the bike 
> quite frequently in person. Half the fun for sure. 
>
> One last thing I'll say with the Velocity rims, it seems most of them are 
> quite old. I'd wager designs and subsequent tooling on most of their lineup 
> hasn't changed for over 10+ years. I recall a good difference between 
> setting tubeless up 10+ years ago with the tires/rims of that era and now, 
> with a vast improvement in ease, consistency, and reliability since then. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> To be clear Dan I don't think the additional width of the tires is what 
>> caused the discrepancy in seating the bead. This is an issue with the rim, 
>> not the tire size. 
>>
>> I've noticed the difference in head tube angle. Been meaning to contact 
>> Riv and at least get the fork offset from both to determine potential 
>> differences in trail. I'm afraid I do enjoy a lot of the Platypus's 
>> handling characteristics because of the slacker head angle. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my 
>>> LBS recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's 
>>> possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit 
>>> it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too.
>>>
>>> With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I 
>>> love mine.
>>> Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. 
>>> The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus.
>>> Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point 
>>> it out.
>>> Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I 
>>> think they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an 
>>> Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one...
>>>
>>> On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity 
 Quills. I will say though...

 I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has 
 some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. 
 The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference 
 of having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs 
 fussing for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering 
 sealant 
 everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially 
 seat the bead. 

 This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's 
 rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've 
 personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The 
 tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter.

 Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of 
 those public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne 
 thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged 
 the 
 air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I 
 was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. 
 My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some 
 sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off 
 the ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the 
 bead 
 of a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality 
 tubeless tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. 

 First train ride:

 [image: IMG_3477.jpg]

 On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the 
> Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the 
> sculptural 
> design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not 
> match the function very well. The function of 

[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Piaw Na]

I've been building my own bikes since 2007. It's not nearly as hard as 
building a wheel. The only issue I can see is the the Sam Hillborne runs 
cantilever/v-brakes, which have never worked out for me (I only buy 
sidepull brake bikes to sidestep that problem). I recently built my wife's 
bike. During the build due to bad lighting in my garage I assembled the 
microshift bar-end wrong in such a way that the lever throw was half of 
what it should have been. I scratched my head and rode it to the bike shop, 
where the mechanic diagnosed the problem while telling me that it's silly 
to put MTB derailleurs and a 1x drivetrain on my wife's road bike. But they 
were about to close up shop. I decided to just ride the bike back home, 
undo the shifter/derailleur cable assembly and redo it (which took all of 
15 minutes) and now the bike's perfect and she's setting PRs on her commute.

The lesson:

   - Have good lighting in your workshop. Saves lots of time.
   - Don't worry about assembling the bike. Modern bikes are easy and 
   modern parts even easier. (I avoid the square taper BB sfor that reason)
   - The only way to get the parts you want on a bike is to buy them 
   yourself and assemble it yourself. I've had reputable shops like R cycles 
   refuse to custom build a road bike with a 1x drivetrain. I do it myself and 
   have no complaints about my mechanic refuse to do entirely reasonable 
   things.


On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:32:14 AM UTC-7 Michael wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
> inclined. 
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
> wiser to just order it complete? 
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 48 Sam Hillborne $2100 OBO plus shipping

[Jonathan D.]

Bump and dropped to $2100.  Please reach out if you have any questions. 

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 11:15:29 AM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:

> Bump and dropped to $2400
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:14:52 AM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>
>> BUMP with price reduction and a couple new photos. $2600 plus shipping. 
>>
>> Standover is 28.5 inches. This is as small as I think Riv's are made.
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 3:06:15 PM UTC-7 Jonathan D. wrote:
>>
>>> I am selling for my ex-wife a 48 mm Sam Hillborne. I purchased the frame 
>>> and built it up at a local shop. The bike has hardly been ridden since It 
>>> was built up. I am happy to share details and take any additional photos. I 
>>> plan to keep the rack and can include the basket if it fits in the box. 
>>> Rich built wheels and dynamo hub but don't currently have a light on it. I 
>>> can see if I have one to include. Bike is in PDX.
>>>
>>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0Z5aVbMKvfjLe
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

Thanks for the kind words Patrick. Thankfully others appreciate the bike 
quite frequently in person. Half the fun for sure. 

One last thing I'll say with the Velocity rims, it seems most of them are 
quite old. I'd wager designs and subsequent tooling on most of their lineup 
hasn't changed for over 10+ years. I recall a good difference between 
setting tubeless up 10+ years ago with the tires/rims of that era and now, 
with a vast improvement in ease, consistency, and reliability since then. 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> To be clear Dan I don't think the additional width of the tires is what 
> caused the discrepancy in seating the bead. This is an issue with the rim, 
> not the tire size. 
>
> I've noticed the difference in head tube angle. Been meaning to contact 
> Riv and at least get the fork offset from both to determine potential 
> differences in trail. I'm afraid I do enjoy a lot of the Platypus's 
> handling characteristics because of the slacker head angle. 
>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my 
>> LBS recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's 
>> possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit 
>> it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too.
>>
>> With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I 
>> love mine.
>> Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. 
>> The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus.
>> Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point 
>> it out.
>> Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I 
>> think they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an 
>> Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one...
>>
>> On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity 
>>> Quills. I will say though...
>>>
>>> I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has 
>>> some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. 
>>> The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference 
>>> of having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs 
>>> fussing for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering sealant 
>>> everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially 
>>> seat the bead. 
>>>
>>> This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's 
>>> rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've 
>>> personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The 
>>> tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter.
>>>
>>> Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of 
>>> those public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne 
>>> thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged the 
>>> air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I 
>>> was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. 
>>> My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some 
>>> sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off 
>>> the ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the bead 
>>> of a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality 
>>> tubeless tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. 
>>>
>>> First train ride:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3477.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>>
 @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the 
 Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the 
 sculptural 
 design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not 
 match the function very well. The function of the pedal is heavily reliant 
 upon the pins. Remove the pins and you have a pretty terrible pedal, in 
 terms of have a flat, consistent surface on which to evenly distribute 
 weight, with some form of traction. The pins they come with are quite tall 
 and aggressive, the type that will mark and damage your shoe sole 
 overtime. 
 They are quite effective, but, at least in my eyes, these are meant to be 
 beautiful pedals for pleasure riding, not downhill mtb'ing. I modified 
 them 
 by putting in a mix of 1-2mm shorter brass m4 set screws. I like how they 
 are now, but wouldn't purchase them again. I'll probably end up with some 
 generic Shimano one-side platform/other side SPD pedal, as some of the 
 dirt 
 trails I like to go on tangent to my city are incredibly steep. 

 Right now I'm experimenting with some Rene Herse 

[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

To be clear Dan I don't think the additional width of the tires is what 
caused the discrepancy in seating the bead. This is an issue with the rim, 
not the tire size. 

I've noticed the difference in head tube angle. Been meaning to contact Riv 
and at least get the fork offset from both to determine potential 
differences in trail. I'm afraid I do enjoy a lot of the Platypus's 
handling characteristics because of the slacker head angle. 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my 
> LBS recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's 
> possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit 
> it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too.
>
> With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I 
> love mine.
> Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. 
> The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus.
> Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point 
> it out.
> Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I think 
> they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an 
> Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one...
>
> On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity 
>> Quills. I will say though...
>>
>> I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has 
>> some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. 
>> The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference 
>> of having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs 
>> fussing for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering sealant 
>> everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially 
>> seat the bead. 
>>
>> This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's 
>> rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've 
>> personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The 
>> tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter.
>>
>> Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of those 
>> public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne 
>> thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged the 
>> air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I 
>> was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. 
>> My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some 
>> sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off the 
>> ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the bead of 
>> a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality 
>> tubeless tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. 
>>
>> First train ride:
>>
>> [image: IMG_3477.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the 
>>> Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the sculptural 
>>> design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not 
>>> match the function very well. The function of the pedal is heavily reliant 
>>> upon the pins. Remove the pins and you have a pretty terrible pedal, in 
>>> terms of have a flat, consistent surface on which to evenly distribute 
>>> weight, with some form of traction. The pins they come with are quite tall 
>>> and aggressive, the type that will mark and damage your shoe sole overtime. 
>>> They are quite effective, but, at least in my eyes, these are meant to be 
>>> beautiful pedals for pleasure riding, not downhill mtb'ing. I modified them 
>>> by putting in a mix of 1-2mm shorter brass m4 set screws. I like how they 
>>> are now, but wouldn't purchase them again. I'll probably end up with some 
>>> generic Shimano one-side platform/other side SPD pedal, as some of the dirt 
>>> trails I like to go on tangent to my city are incredibly steep. 
>>>
>>> Right now I'm experimenting with some Rene Herse knobbies. They roll 
>>> exceptionally well, are indeed quiet, but however, they have introduced a 
>>> consistent buzz that is transmitted to the pedals--feedback which I'm not 
>>> crazy about. Audibly they are indeed quiet. I'm VERY impressed by the 
>>> durability of the endurance casing, I trashed these tires descending over 
>>> 6000ft on some of the chunkiest rocks/terrain in southern california and 
>>> not a hiccup. I did identify one of the knobs being slashed in half and 
>>> flapping about, no risk of a puncture though. I'll probably switch back to 
>>> RH slicks, or try a slick in the rear and knobby up front. 
>>>
>>> *As much as I do love the Platy so far, I 

[RBW] Re: FS: Large Sackville and Nitto Noodles

[Michael Ullmer]

Noodles are sold as well.

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 12:30:38 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Sackville is off to a new home.
>
> Noodles still available.
>
> On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Got two Rivy items I'm looking to pass on. Shipping is not included:
>>
>> 1) Rivendell Sackville Saddlesack Large Olive with Kangaroo Pouch - $175
>> -- Original version of the Large Rivendell Sackville Saddlesack with the 
>> Kangaroo Pouch. Great shape, I was saving this as a backup to the one I 
>> already have. This is the version that also has a cutout in the back to fit 
>> with a Nitto R-14 Rack. If you need an R-14, I can also include one for an 
>> additional $100.
>>
>> 2) Nitto Noodle 48cm Drop Bars - $60
>> --Some tape residue, but otherwise good shape.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/XUhbRsYrjGzedxLU7
>>
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Bill Lindsay]

*"I do have a workshop and am good with tools". *By "workshop" I take it to 
mean you have a proper work bench next to your bicycle repair stand, with a 
reasonably well equipped tool board.  This is where you do your current 
bicycle maintenance.  Is that correct?


*Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
beginner attempt? *Yes.  I specifically would not recommend a beginner try 
to assemble a brand new bike from the ground up before overhauling an 
existing bike.  I specifically would not recommend doing either of those 
maneuvers without a proper repair stand


*By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been wiser to just 
order it complete?  *There is no question that the cumulative price of all 
the tools needed to build one bicycle exceed the labor charge for a 
mechanic to build your bicycle.  If you are going to build another 50 bikes 
in your lifetime, and enjoy it, then that's a great investment.  If you are 
never going to build another bicycle, it's probably not a great investment. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:32:14 AM UTC-7 Michael wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
> inclined. 
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
> wiser to just order it complete? 
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[J J]

I would ask Rivendell to build it up for you. In fact, that’s exactly what 
I did with my recent Hunqapillar restoration. 


I have many — but not all — of the tools to do a full build. Put aside that 
fact that buying all the necessary tools would cost more than Rivendell’s 
build fee. More important than cost is that I trust Rivendell to do the 
build right a hell of a lot more than I trust myself (or any local bike 
shop, but that’s a story for another thread). I’d rather experiment and do 
trial and error on a different bike.

Rivendell’s build was, as Philip said, dialed in beautifully. I took it out 
on a long ride for the first time yesterday and it was sublime.

Jim

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 12:38:30 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Get them to build it for you. It’ll be exactly what it should be.
>
> But then slowly purchase the (high quality) tools required to maintain and 
> replace components over time. 
>
> That way you’ll get the best of both worlds.
>
> And the best part of completing a bike build is changing stuff in the 
> weeks and months that follow anyway, as you discover quirks, problems, and 
> preferences!
>
> That way you’ll be ready in a few months and a few thousand miles, a few 
> different build iterations, to confidentially build your next bike from 
> scratch.
>
> Also, bolting on and installing all the parts on a frame and fork is easy 
> enough. And I would disagree with an earlier reply, installing headsets and 
> BBs are certainly things a novice with access to the Park Tools YouTube 
> channel can complete to a proficient degree.
>
> It’s the combination of getting all those parts of the bicycle working 
> together harmoniously,
> at optimal performance with minimal aesthetic sacrifice, that is the magic 
> and witchcraft of the professional bicycle mechanic.
>
> Which is why I’d have Riv build you this first one.
>
> Every bike I rode there recently was dialed-in to perfection. And I have 
> multiple friends who have said the same about their own experiences riding 
> demo Riv’s around the lot.
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 28, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Ken Yokanovich  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> IMHO, your greatest challenge will be finding and collecting all of the 
> parts necessary to build the bike. I think the key issue being 
> compatibility, when to ignore and when to respect it. Rivendell World 
> Headquarters does an fabulous job when it comes to mechanical wisdom and 
> experience with what works/doesn't. Unless you have experience and a home 
> shop stocked with components and incidentals, I think you will probably 
> wind up spending more building a complete bike yourself. (Even excluding 
> the cost for specialized tools that may be required.)
>
> I strongly encourage you to explore bicycle maintenance on your own, 
> perhaps experiment on an existing used bike. I was VERY young when 
> beginning my bicycle (dis)/assembly and repair. I destroyed a lot of parts 
> in my ignorance and learning experience. Even after YEARS of experience, I 
> learned TONS more later when attending professional training and continued 
> to learn from co-workers and experience with almost every repair while 
> employed as a professional bike mechanic.  No longer working in the 
> industry, I am still always learning. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-5 Michael wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>> inclined. 
>>
>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>> stupid!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: spring cleaning!

[Calvin Yolo]

*Forgot to update some stuff. Below is what's still available and sold! 
Reduced some prices.*

Available 
*Paul Shimano Thumbies, Silver, 22.2 — $85*
*Shimano Dura Ace 11spd bar end shifters — $85*
*Velocity A23 rims, Silver, 700/32h/NMSW — $100*

   - Purchased in 2012 and sat around ever since, was told it was built and 
   then unbuilt. Looks basically new to my eyes but will ask Rich to 
   double-check if there's any interest. 

*SOLD - 52cm Nitto Noodle (Mod. 177) - 26.0 — $90*

   - Mounted for a week or so, then taken off. Basically new but there's 
   residue from the standard newbaum/shellac combo here at Riv.

*SOLD - Panaracer GravelKing Slick, BROWNwall, folding 700x38 — $80*

   - Used for one 25 mile ride.

*SOLD - Thomson Elite Setback, Black/27.2/330mm — $45*

   - Looked like a well-used post before I got it. Used for 250-ish miles 
   with no issues.

*SOLD - Brooks C17 Carved — $80*

On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 7:44:39 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> *52cm Nitto Noodle (Mod. 177) - 26.0 — $90*
>
>- Mounted for a week or so, then taken off. Basically new but there's 
>residue from the standard newbaum/shellac combo here at Riv.
>
> *Panaracer GravelKing Slick, BROWNwall, folding 700x38 — $80*
>
>- Used for one 25 mile ride.
>
> *Velocity A23 rims, Silver, 700/NMSW — $120*
>
>- Purchased in 2012 and sat around ever since, was told it was built 
>and then unbuilt. Looks basically new to my eyes but will ask Rich to 
>double-check if there's any interest. 
>
> *Thomson Elite Setback, Black/27.2/330mm — $45*
>
>- Looked like a well-used post before I got it. Used for 250-ish miles 
>with no issues.
>
> *Paul Shimano Thumbies, Silver, 22.2 — $95*
> *Shimano Dura Ace 11spd bar end shifters — $95*
> *SOLD - Brooks C17 Carved — $80*
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 5:19:13 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> Shipping not included, but free if picked up in Oakland or at Rivendell. 
>> Venmo preferred.
>>
>> Most items are like-new, unless otherwise noted. Will try to get photos 
>> up on Wednesday.
>>
>> *52cm Nitto Noodle (Mod. 177) - 26.0 — $90*
>>
>>- Mounted for a week or so, then taken off. Basically new but there's 
>>residue from the standard newbaum/shellac combo here at Riv.
>>
>> *Panaracer GravelKing Slick, BROWNwall, folding 700x38 — $80*
>>
>>- Used for one 25 mile ride.
>>
>> *Velocity A23 rims, Silver, 700/NMSW — $120*
>>
>>- Purchased in 2012 and sat around ever since, was told it was built 
>>and then unbuilt. Looks basically new to my eyes but will ask Rich to 
>>double-check if there's any interest. 
>>
>> *Thomson Elite Setback, Black/27.2/330mm — $45*
>>
>>- Looked like a well-used post before I got it. Used for 250-ish 
>>miles with no issues.
>>
>> *Paul Shimano Thumbies, Silver, 22.2 — $95*
>> *Shimano Dura Ace 11spd bar end shifters — $95*
>> *Brooks C17 Carved — $80*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[P W]

Get them to build it for you. It’ll be exactly what it should be.But then slowly purchase the (high quality) tools required to maintain and replace components over time. That way you’ll get the best of both worlds.And the best part of completing a bike build is changing stuff in the weeks and months that follow anyway, as you discover quirks, problems, and preferences!That way you’ll be ready in a few months and a few thousand miles, a few different build iterations, to confidentially build your next bike from scratch.Also, bolting on and installing all the parts on a frame and fork is easy enough. And I would disagree with an earlier reply, installing headsets and BBs are certainly things a novice with access to the Park Tools YouTube channel can complete to a proficient degree.It’s the combination of getting all those parts of the bicycle working together harmoniously,at optimal performance with minimal aesthetic sacrifice, that is the magic and witchcraft of the professional bicycle mechanic.Which is why I’d have Riv build you this first one.Every bike I rode there recently was dialed-in to perfection. And I have multiple friends who have said the same about their own experiences riding demo Riv’s around the lot.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 28, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Ken Yokanovich  wrote:IMHO, your greatest challenge will be finding and collecting all of the parts necessary to build the bike. I think the key issue being compatibility, when to ignore and when to respect it. Rivendell World Headquarters does an fabulous job when it comes to mechanical wisdom and experience with what works/doesn't. Unless you have experience and a home shop stocked with components and incidentals, I think you will probably wind up spending more building a complete bike yourself. (Even excluding the cost for specialized tools that may be required.)I strongly encourage you to explore bicycle maintenance on your own, perhaps experiment on an existing used bike. I was VERY young when beginning my bicycle (dis)/assembly and repair. I destroyed a lot of parts in my ignorance and learning experience. Even after YEARS of experience, I learned TONS more later when attending professional training and continued to learn from co-workers and experience with almost every repair while employed as a professional bike mechanic.  No longer working in the industry, I am still always learning. On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-5 Michael wrote:Hi all, Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically inclined. Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been wiser to just order it complete? Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something stupid!Thanks,



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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Brian Forsee]

I agree with Ken regarding the most difficult part being collecting 
compatible parts. Maybe if you ask nicely riv will sell you a kit-in-a-box? 
That way you can spend time learning and practicing the actual assembly and 
adjustment instead of worrying about if the parts in front of you even can 
play nice together.

Brian

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:24:11 AM UTC-5 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> IMHO, your greatest challenge will be finding and collecting all of the 
> parts necessary to build the bike. I think the key issue being 
> compatibility, when to ignore and when to respect it. Rivendell World 
> Headquarters does an fabulous job when it comes to mechanical wisdom and 
> experience with what works/doesn't. Unless you have experience and a home 
> shop stocked with components and incidentals, I think you will probably 
> wind up spending more building a complete bike yourself. (Even excluding 
> the cost for specialized tools that may be required.)
>
> I strongly encourage you to explore bicycle maintenance on your own, 
> perhaps experiment on an existing used bike. I was VERY young when 
> beginning my bicycle (dis)/assembly and repair. I destroyed a lot of parts 
> in my ignorance and learning experience. Even after YEARS of experience, I 
> learned TONS more later when attending professional training and continued 
> to learn from co-workers and experience with almost every repair while 
> employed as a professional bike mechanic.  No longer working in the 
> industry, I am still always learning. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-5 Michael wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>> inclined. 
>>
>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>> stupid!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Ken Yokanovich]

IMHO, your greatest challenge will be finding and collecting all of the 
parts necessary to build the bike. I think the key issue being 
compatibility, when to ignore and when to respect it. Rivendell World 
Headquarters does an fabulous job when it comes to mechanical wisdom and 
experience with what works/doesn't. Unless you have experience and a home 
shop stocked with components and incidentals, I think you will probably 
wind up spending more building a complete bike yourself. (Even excluding 
the cost for specialized tools that may be required.)

I strongly encourage you to explore bicycle maintenance on your own, 
perhaps experiment on an existing used bike. I was VERY young when 
beginning my bicycle (dis)/assembly and repair. I destroyed a lot of parts 
in my ignorance and learning experience. Even after YEARS of experience, I 
learned TONS more later when attending professional training and continued 
to learn from co-workers and experience with almost every repair while 
employed as a professional bike mechanic.  No longer working in the 
industry, I am still always learning. 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-5 Michael wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
> inclined. 
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
> wiser to just order it complete? 
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Huston]

Bridgestone Atlantis on the 'bay.  Kind of interesting to compare the 
"Atlantis 1" rando to the "Atlantis 2" tourer:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186459853595

No relation to seller.

Huston
Lexington, KY

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. I suppose the best thing to do is to try some good 42 mm tires
-- I agree that 42 mm is a good width for pavement with firmer dirt or
gravel, at least in my 559 size.

OTOH, since the Somas roll so well and handle very nicely ?

After Jay mentioned his Fargo, I remembered that I'd done the same thing
with mine, 10-14 years ago. The "main" wheelset had 60 mm Big Apples but I
got a "road" wheelset with ~33-4 mm Kojaks. I didn't use this set as much
as the other one and have only fuzzy memories of it, but those memories,
such as they are, don't include much degraded handling, unlike the horrible
handling of 22s on my NORBA-era conversions in place of 50s.

Segueing: just the other day found that I can reduce air pressure in the
~49 mm Oracle Ridge regular casings to 16-17 psi to reduce jarring
noticeably over small bumps compared to the 20 psi I'd defined as a
personal minimum for 50s. Yes, a noticeable improvement in cushion.
Bu, *mirabile
dictu*, cornering and rolling on pavement seem no different. I'm 175 kitted
out and the bike is about 33 lb ready to ride with luggage but no load.

I expect that the EL Oracles might require a lb or 2 more; I used to ride
my 60 mm ultralight/paperthin Big Ones at 18. I must try the similarly
paper thin Somas at 16 and see if they too need a psi or 2 more.

This might well be a bike tire pressure race to the bottom; we'll see...

I used Jim's site to get wheel diameters for the tires that I haven't
measured directly, but I just now went back and checked trail and flop.
50s: 64/19, 42s: 61/18. I used to ride the bike with 60s: 67/20. My problem
is that I can't yet translate these numbers into riding experience, as I
can say for gear inches. But it does show that there is no more difference
between 50 -- empirical handling sweet spot -- and 42s than between 60s and
50s; again, not quite sure what to make of that in terms of person
experiences of bike handling. Thus, others' experiences will be usefully
educational.

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RE: [RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Bernard Duhon]

I ran my independent fabrication sport touring bike 700 C  between 25 and 35 mm 
tires over the years.  I converted to 650 B and ran 32 mm to 42 mm tires and 
really haven't noticed any difference in handling nor reduction in speed
oh but what and incredible increase in comfort


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Subject: [RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without 
degrading handling?

I don't have a lot of experience with what you've outlined and asked about 
(those specific dimensions), however, I'll share my experience with my Salsa 
Fargo, as in the end it brought me here!

It came mounted with 29x2.2".  From the first test ride I knew it was for me, 
as a drop bar mtb / monster cross bike for local mixed surface trails.  When 
winter came I wanted to use it with narrower tires, minimal tread, as it would 
only be ridden on the road.  I swapped the tires with 43mm GKSS.  I didn't like 
the way it handled.  I'm assuming it affected the trail?  In any case, it 
wasn't that stable ride I enjoyed.

What brought me here, to this forum and wanting a Roadini - I needed a bike for 
those tires!  And it worked out great...the 43mm GKSS are perfect on the 
Roadini.
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with tires 
of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away with it 
without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.

Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 wheels, 2" 
knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, for commuting, 
and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width Specialized Turbos 
(nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. So, diameters from 26" 
to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 
25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to 
turn.

With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, quite 
nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in straight 
line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.

That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 622X 
60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, #2, one 
that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how skinny can 
one go before compromising handling?

I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 42s, 
714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.

Any thoughts?

Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for dirt" 
for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby wheelset for our 
sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, wheelset with the 50 mm 
Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this after I discovered that the 
Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.

It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas that 
I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm tires, even 
though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and make this bike 
handle much like my Riv Roads.

So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."

* ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Nick Payne]

When I stopped racing it, I converted my old Litespeed race bike from 622 
wheels with 25mm tyres to 584 with 32mm tyres, as the chainstays on the 
Litespeed bow inwards, and the widest 622 tyre that would fit between the 
chainstays was 25mm. Because 584 rims are 19mm smaller radius, I could 
manage to fit a 32mm tyre. I can't say that I noticed a difference in the 
handling with the smaller wheels. With the lower bottom bracket I did have 
to avoid pedalling through fast corners.

I also have a disc brake minivelo, on which I run either 451 wheels with 
28mm tyres or 406 wheels with 44mm tyres. Other than the increased shock 
absorbtion with the larger tyres, I don't notice any difference in the 
handling there either.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[Jay]

Like, WOW.  Nicolas, you really make me want to go there and explore.  I 
would rather take 4hrs to cover 'those' 35km than a fast-paced, paved ride 
anywhere around here.

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:23:26 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Nicholas, what a magical landscape. Thanks for sharing the photos. Nicely 
> put together Joe Appa too!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!
>>
>>
>> John
>> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Jay]

I don't have a lot of experience with what you've outlined and asked about 
(those specific dimensions), however, I'll share my experience with my 
Salsa Fargo, as in the end it brought me here!

It came mounted with 29x2.2".  From the first test ride I knew it was for 
me, as a drop bar mtb / monster cross bike for local mixed surface trails. 
 When winter came I wanted to use it with narrower tires, minimal tread, as 
it would only be ridden on the road.  I swapped the tires with 43mm GKSS. 
 I didn't like the way it handled.  I'm assuming it affected the trail?  In 
any case, it wasn't that stable ride I enjoyed.

What brought me here, to this forum and wanting a Roadini - I needed a bike 
for those tires!  And it worked out great...the 43mm GKSS are perfect on 
the Roadini.

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with 
> tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away 
> with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.
>
> Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 
> wheels, 2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, 
> for commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width 
> Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. 
> So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 
> XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The 
> skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.
>
> With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, 
> quite nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in 
> straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.
>
> That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 
> 622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, 
> #2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how 
> skinny can one go before compromising handling?
>
> I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 
> 42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for 
> dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby 
> wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, 
> wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this 
> after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.
>
> It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas 
> that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm 
> tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and 
> make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.
>
> So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
> narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."
>
> * ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.
>
> -- 
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[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Roberta]

Ben,

You ARE very lucky to have an Atlantis (the bike I would have bought if I 
had more money years ago--I fell in love with its ride too) and a fun Sarah 
to ride with!  

Not only can we indulge our passions with wonderful riding bikes, but also 
make friends along the way.

Many happy miles to you.

Roberta

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:

> hey all,
>
> this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope fully 
> my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
> here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member.  shout 
> out to Zac big thank you.
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
> that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
> have to own one at some point".
> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
> group within a group.  
> You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail and 
> even running errands along the Greenway.
> Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are pretty 
> dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid rise 
> that will go on next.
> Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
>  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
> *pics coming in next post
> Ben R from El Cerrito
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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Steve]

'll suggest that the handling variables most effected by tire size are 
trail and wheel flop. Smaller diameter wheel/tire combinations decrease 
both trail and flop. Wider (and lower inflation pressures) slow steering 
response, in my experience. I have a 90s race dike thatover the years  I've 
run with 700 x 19s, 23s and 28s. I converted it to 650b wheels a few years 
back and am running RH 38mm slicks on it. The 650b x 38s have been my 
favorite combination on that bike.

You can plug the numbers in here if you want to quantify the differences 
 between tire & wheel sizes - http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php
  

I consider  38 to 42mm tires to be a bit of a sweet spot for pavement 
riding. They have enough volume to provide some cush and vibration 
dampening, but are still relatively light, spinning up to speed quickly, 
giving the drivetrain a more responsive feeling. I find they also do well 
enough on smooth, hard pack dirt or gravel routes to keep me comfortable 
exploring them. 

So, that's my $0,02.Steve in AVL

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with 
> tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away 
> with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.
>
> Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 
> wheels, 2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, 
> for commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width 
> Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. 
> So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 
> XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The 
> skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.
>
> With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, 
> quite nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in 
> straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.
>
> That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 
> 622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, 
> #2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how 
> skinny can one go before compromising handling?
>
> I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 
> 42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for 
> dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby 
> wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, 
> wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this 
> after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.
>
> It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas 
> that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm 
> tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and 
> make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.
>
> So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
> narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."
>
> * ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.
>
> -- 
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Steve]

I'll suggest that the handling variables most effected by tire size are 
trail and wheel flop. Smaller diameter wheel/tire combinations decrease 
both trail and flop. Wider (and lower inflation pressures) slow steering 
response, in my experience. I have a 90s race dike thatover the years  I've 
run with 700 x 19s, 23s and 28s. I converted it to 650b wheels a few years 
back and am running RH 38mm slicks on it. The 650b x 38s are my 

You can plug the numbers in here if you want to quantify the differences 
 between tire & wheel sizes 
- http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php  

I consider  38 to 42mm tires to be a bit of a sweet spot for pavement 
riding. They have enough volume to provide some cush and vibration 
dampening, but are still relatively light, spinning up to speed quickly, 
giving the drivetrain a more responsive feeling. They also do well enough 
on smooth, hard pack dirt or gravel routes to let you feel comfortable 
exploring them. 

Steve in AVL
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 5:18:52 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Frames are designed to handle best with wheels of a certain diameter with 
> tires of a certain width, but sometimes you can vary tire size and get away 
> with it without making the bike handle strangely  or risking pedal strike.
>
> Instance: 25 years ago I built up several nice pre-susp mtbs with 3 
> wheels, 2" knobbies, ~26" in diameter, 32-5 mm slicks, ~25" in diameter, 
> for commuting, and gofast wheels with 26X1" = 22-23 mm in real world width 
> Specialized Turbos (nice tires), 24", for unladed weekend pavement riding. 
> So, diameters from 26" to 24". A bit later I had 2 wheelsets for my 1992 
> XO-1, 24" diameter Turbos and 25" diameter Tioga City Slickers. The 
> skinnies made the bike a bit quicker to turn.
>
> With the converted mtbs, the bikes handled very nicely with 2" tires, 
> quite nicely with ~32s, and horribly with 22 mm actual Turbos -- twitchy in 
> straight line, hesitant and inconsistent in turns.
>
> That was the long windup to this question: for a frame designed for "up to 
> 622X 60s and 584 X 80s"(+ fenders) -- both about 750 mm in diameter, and, 
> #2, one that in fact handles very nicely with 622 X 50s --  ~730 mm -- how 
> skinny can one go before compromising handling?
>
> I have no interest in installing 23s, but I think of installing extralight 
> 42s, 714 mm diameter, so a 3/4' or 19 mm drop in real world bb height.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Background: I got a second wheelset for the Matthews #1 "road bike for 
> dirt" for 50 mm* RH Oracle Ridge tires. I meant ot have  this knobby 
> wheelset for our sandy dirt and leave the original, otherwise identical, 
> wheelset with the 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs for pavement riding, this 
> after I discovered that the Somas do poorly on sandy surfaces.
>
> It turns out that the Oracles roll and handle closely enough to the Somas 
> that I rather think it's redundant to have a road wheelset with 50 mm 
> tires, even though these Somas at 360 grams roll exceptionally well and 
> make this bike handle much like my Riv Roads.
>
> So I wonder about 42s -- no narrower, unless you present good evidence for 
> narrower -- for lighter weight and perhaps handline a wee bit "crisper."
>
> * ~Actual widths for both OR and SSVSL.
>
> -- 
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Yet Another Garage Sale

[Collin A]

White Industries BB sold...I might have some more parts soon courtesy of 
another move - stuff like dura ace brakes, paul canti brakes, ultegra 
groupsets, RH tires, etc. so keep an eye out

   - XTR M900 cantilever brakes, 1 bike's worth: These are a bit of a 
   catch-and-release from a fellow list member. I rode them around on the 
   appaloosa commuter and they worked great, but the Paul Cantis I have worked 
   a bit better (or, to say it another way, I was able to set them up for 
   better braking). Fantastic condition. *Asking for $120 shipped*, or best 
   offer. Pivots cleaned and lubed with T-9. New kool stop salmon pads. 
   Original pads included in case you want 30 year old rim brake pads...


   - Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on these. 
   *$40*


   - Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
   Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 2, 
   10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
   waxing).
   - Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this guy. 
   Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*

Hope folks are enjoying their holiday weekend,
Collin in Berktown (soon back to oaktown)

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Quick update with a new addition and some sold items...
>
>- XTR M900 cantilever brakes, 1 bike's worth: These are a bit of a 
>catch-and-release from a fellow list member. I rode them around on the 
>appaloosa commuter and they worked great, but the Paul Cantis I have 
> worked 
>a bit better (or, to say it another way, I was able to set them up for 
>better braking). Fantastic condition. *Asking for $120 shipped*, or 
>best offer. Pivots cleaned and lubed with T-9. New kool stop salmon pads. 
>Original pads included in case you want 30 year old rim brake pads...
>
>
>- 
>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on these. 
>*$40*
>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal if 
>you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>
>
>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 
>2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
>waxing).
>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this 
>guy. Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Pending items have sold and folks should have the tracking info. The 
>> updated list is below:
>>
>>
>>
>>- Vittoria Corsa 700x34 N.Ext, tube-type only. These have about 
>>200-or-so miles. Lighter (230g measured), faster, and more durable (so 
>> far) 
>>than the RH 700x32 extralight equivalents, IMO. Measure out to about 33 
>> mm 
>>on 19mm ID rims at 45 psi. *$80*
>>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on 
>>these. *$40*
>>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal 
>>if you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>>
>>
>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 
>>2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
>>waxing).
>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this 
>>guy. Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*
>>
>>
>>- Silca Tubeless Setup, 16 oz Part 1 and 32 oz Part 2 (replenisher). 
>>New, never used. *$50*
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin
>>
>> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 7:57:14 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> XTR derailleur is sold.  A couple items are sold, pending payment. 
>>> Updated list is below:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- Vittoria Corsa 700x34 N.Ext, tube-type only. These have about 
>>>200-or-so miles. Lighter (230g measured), faster, and more durable (so 
>>> far) 
>>>than the RH 700x32 extralight equivalents, IMO. Measure out to about 33 
>>> mm 
>>>on 19mm ID rims at 45 psi. *$80*
>>>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on 
>>>these. *$40*
>>>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal 
>>>if you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>>>
>>>
>>>- Deore M591 long cage rear derailleur, silver - Shows some 
>>>wear-and-tear, but shifts up to a 42t 10 speed cassette. *$30 - 
>>>pending*
>>>- Deore M5000 10 speed 11-42 cassette - effectively new, but mounted 
>>>and ridden around the block. *$30 - pending*
>>>
>>>
>>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>>>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can 
>>>include 2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help 

[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[RichS]

Nicholas, what a magical landscape. Thanks for sharing the photos. Nicely 
put together Joe Appa too!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 3:06:53 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!
>
>
> John
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Platypus in Mermaid

[Ari Kelman]

The Platypus has a new home. Many thanks to folks here for their help.

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 4:53:53 PM UTC-7 Ari Kelman wrote:

> I should note that my price is flexible. I want to find the right home for 
> this lovely bike that's in as-new condition. 
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:40:37 AM UTC-7 Ari Kelman wrote:
>
>> I'm located in Davis, CA. I'd be happy to meet someone in the Bay Area or 
>> the Sacramento region for a test drive. Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:56:31 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Kelm,
>>> Location ?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:39:07 PM UTC-7 kelm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Shimano ders, Paul brakes, WI bb, Silver crank, Boscomoose bar, Nitto 
 post, Riv-built wheels (WI hubs/Quill rims), etc.

 The bike has been ridden three times. $2500 obo. Includes  extras.

 Thanks!
 [image: Platy.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[John Bokman]

Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!


John
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:

> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Patrick Moore]

Robert and everyone, I apologize; Robert is right, these are not the model
I know and love.

Apparently, REI no longer carries these; too bad. If anyone knows of
similar pants available from another source, I would be interested in
hearing about them.

https://www.rei.com/product/158172/rei-co-op-sahara-roll-up-cargo-pants-mens

REI Co-op   Sahara Roll-Up Cargo Pants -
Men's
3.4128  Reviews View the 128 reviews with an average rating of 3.4 out of 5
stars


*This product is not available.*

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 10:55 AM  wrote:

> I have a couple pairs of those Sahara pants as well and I love them.
> These look like they got rid of the roll up legs with snaps and replaced
> them with zip off legs? I can’t find the roll up leg version on their site.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 27, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I'll recommend the REI "Sahara" cargo pants for occasions when you want to
> ride a bike to an event where shorts are inappropriate. They're on sale
> now, too:
> https://www.rei.com/product/202030/rei-co-op-sahara-convertible-pants-mens?CAWELAID=120217890013538185_mmc=PLA_Bing%7C2170001700551_2020300028%7C92700067489897493%7CPB%7C7170081306883=ds
>
> Very light but densely woven and -- after several years of regular
> warm-weather Sunday use -- quite durable, decent colors (tho' only earth
> tones), well sewn with intelligently designed pockets.*
>
> I used to use light nylon pants with zip-off legs, but the hassle of
> getting the legs off over cycling shoes (or removing the shoes to remove
> the unzipped legs, then putting them on again) was too much. The REI pants
> let you roll the legs to either knickers height or to shorts height.
>
> My brother just gave one of his pairs of same, but oddly a bit too short
> -- he's 4" taller than I; he likes high water pants, I guess -- that I
> might have converted into knickers. If I do that, can anyone recommend a
> nice dark tan, khaki, light brown, or olive green cotton knee sock, with
> source?
>
> As to style: Winter is easy: dark or neutrally colored cycling pants --
> Endura, Osloh* for example -- or wool knickers with wool pullover + knee
> socks under Ibex wool vest and/or "light navy" cycling wind shell with pit
> zips. Summer: I used to ride in lycra and change in the bathroom, but the
> REI rollups paired with nice wicking ss bush shirts in heather sky blue or
> more-or-less tattersall that are trim but not tight (I like my civilian
> shirts baggy) works very well. These bush shirts, found on sale from Kohl's
> some years ago (I'd just written a resume for a Kohl's marketing exec) have
> the usual stink problem of synthetic fabrics but are good for a
> several-hour first wearing and, as I discovered last summer, if you swish
> such synthetics -- works for plastic jerseys too -- in a gallon or so of
> cold water when you get home and hang to drip dry you can wear them as long
> as you can wool.
>
> As to wool, I have 2 remaining of a collection of 4-5 nice retro wool med
> weight ss jerseys; these are good up to the low 90s in low humidity but
> hotter and I accept synthetics. Light wool, including the Riv lightweight
> merino Woolywarms, IME aren't nearly as durable -- snags and moth holes. I
> gave my 2 pr away.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[rltilley]

I have a couple pairs of those Sahara pants as well and I love them.  These look like they got rid of the roll up legs with snaps and replaced them with zip off legs? I can’t find the roll up leg version on their site.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn May 27, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:I'll recommend the REI "Sahara" cargo pants for occasions when you want to ride a bike to an event where shorts are inappropriate. They're on sale now, too: https://www.rei.com/product/202030/rei-co-op-sahara-convertible-pants-mens?CAWELAID=120217890013538185_mmc=PLA_Bing%7C2170001700551_2020300028%7C92700067489897493%7CPB%7C7170081306883=dsVery light but densely woven and -- after several years of regular warm-weather Sunday use -- quite durable, decent colors (tho' only earth tones), well sewn with intelligently designed pockets.*I used to use light nylon pants with zip-off legs, but the hassle of getting the legs off over cycling shoes (or removing the shoes to remove the unzipped legs, then putting them on again) was too much. The REI pants let you roll the legs to either knickers height or to shorts height.My brother just gave one of his pairs of same, but oddly a bit too short -- he's 4" taller than I; he likes high water pants, I guess -- that I might have converted into knickers. If I do that, can anyone recommend a nice dark tan, khaki, light brown, or olive green cotton knee sock, with source?As to style: Winter is easy: dark or neutrally colored cycling pants -- Endura, Osloh* for example -- or wool knickers with wool pullover + knee socks under Ibex wool vest and/or "light navy" cycling wind shell with pit zips. Summer: I used to ride in lycra and change in the bathroom, but the REI rollups paired with nice wicking ss bush shirts in heather sky blue or more-or-less tattersall that are trim but not tight (I like my civilian shirts baggy) works very well. These bush shirts, found on sale from Kohl's some years ago (I'd just written a resume for a Kohl's marketing exec) have the usual stink problem of synthetic fabrics but are good for a several-hour first wearing and, as I discovered last summer, if you swish such synthetics -- works for plastic jerseys too -- in a gallon or so of cold water when you get home and hang to drip dry you can wear them as long as you can wool.As to wool, I have 2 remaining of a collection of 4-5 nice retro wool med weight ss jerseys; these are good up to the low 90s in low humidity but hotter and I accept synthetics. Light wool, including the Riv lightweight merino Woolywarms, IME aren't nearly as durable -- snags and moth holes. I gave my 2 pr away.



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[RBW] Re: Sergio Green Roadini 57 frameset

[Gabe Thompson]

PM'd

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 6:25:15 AM UTC-7 Andrew Joseph wrote:

> All,
>
> I recently picked up a like new Roadini frameset and Tektro 559s from 
> Mack’s Bikes in Chicago.  
>
> However, I also just purchased a Sam complete and I am loving it.  Maybe I 
> had low expectations of the Sams performance on pavement having previously 
> owned a Homer?
>
> Regardless of the reason, I was wrong and the Sam is super fun on the 
> road.  I really like being able to run canti brakes personally as well.
>
> I realize the Roadini frameset will just be sitting for quite sometime. 
>  This is fine, but I figured I would see if anyone here is interested in 
> the frameset?
>
> I can pull the frame out of the box for more photos if you’re interested 
> later this week.  But this is the IG link to the photos of the actual bike 
> Sam from Mack’s Bikes took when it was built up before I purchased it.
>
> Maybe $1100 plus shipping and I will include the brakes? 
>
> I can include a headset.  Although, the sale did not include a headset and 
> seatpost as it was purchased from Mack’s and not Riv directly. 
>
> $50 for a FSA Duron.
>
> Located in Oklahoma.
>
> P.S. Unless someone talks me out of it.  Really thinking about picking up 
> an Appaloosa frame instead when they are available.
>
> R,
>
> Drew
>
> [image: 438868404_7252419224880513_3922707063318851731_n.jpg]
>
> Mack’s Bike & Goods on Instagram: "One of our favorites (mostly cuz we 
> love the name Leo) @rivbike Roadini built with older dura-ace! It’s a super 
> fun bike you should treat yourself to it! We can ship bikes!! • • • • • • • 
> #chicagocycling #cycling #bikeshop #morethanjustbikes #shoplocal 
> #familyownedandoperated #neighborhoodbikeshop #cyclotourism 
> #savebrickandmortar #retailisntdead #centralstreetevanston #ohhelloworld 
> #macksbikeandgoods #evanston #ohhelloworld #alleyentrance #randonneur 
> #randonneuring #rivbike #leoroadini" 
> 
> instagram.com 
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[Patrick Moore]

Lovely photos; thanks for sharing them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Patrick Moore]

I'll recommend the REI "Sahara" cargo pants for occasions when you want to
ride a bike to an event where shorts are inappropriate. They're on sale
now, too:
https://www.rei.com/product/202030/rei-co-op-sahara-convertible-pants-mens?CAWELAID=120217890013538185_mmc=PLA_Bing%7C2170001700551_2020300028%7C92700067489897493%7CPB%7C7170081306883=ds

Very light but densely woven and -- after several years of regular
warm-weather Sunday use -- quite durable, decent colors (tho' only earth
tones), well sewn with intelligently designed pockets.*

I used to use light nylon pants with zip-off legs, but the hassle of
getting the legs off over cycling shoes (or removing the shoes to remove
the unzipped legs, then putting them on again) was too much. The REI pants
let you roll the legs to either knickers height or to shorts height.

My brother just gave one of his pairs of same, but oddly a bit too short --
he's 4" taller than I; he likes high water pants, I guess -- that I might
have converted into knickers. If I do that, can anyone recommend a nice
dark tan, khaki, light brown, or olive green cotton knee sock, with source?

As to style: Winter is easy: dark or neutrally colored cycling pants --
Endura, Osloh* for example -- or wool knickers with wool pullover + knee
socks under Ibex wool vest and/or "light navy" cycling wind shell with pit
zips. Summer: I used to ride in lycra and change in the bathroom, but the
REI rollups paired with nice wicking ss bush shirts in heather sky blue or
more-or-less tattersall that are trim but not tight (I like my civilian
shirts baggy) works very well. These bush shirts, found on sale from Kohl's
some years ago (I'd just written a resume for a Kohl's marketing exec) have
the usual stink problem of synthetic fabrics but are good for a
several-hour first wearing and, as I discovered last summer, if you swish
such synthetics -- works for plastic jerseys too -- in a gallon or so of
cold water when you get home and hang to drip dry you can wear them as long
as you can wool.

As to wool, I have 2 remaining of a collection of 4-5 nice retro wool med
weight ss jerseys; these are good up to the low 90s in low humidity but
hotter and I accept synthetics. Light wool, including the Riv lightweight
merino Woolywarms, IME aren't nearly as durable -- snags and moth holes. I
gave my 2 pr away.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Sarah Carlson]

I love seeing this thread come back. And I approve of coordinating bike 
bags to shorts! Love it!

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:

> My new fave riding clothes, merino t-shirt, Amundsen shorts and the good 
> old Eric Marth designed kerchief.
>
> [image: 0.jpg]
>
> On Sunday 26 May 2024 at 21:07:40 UTC+1 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This is starting to remind me of the early '90s.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who once built a gofast '92 XO-1 with bright purple 
>> anodized Sun M14A "semi-aero" rims (and later ruined them with Easy Off -- 
>> left them at the curb for the recycling truck).
>>
>> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 6:41 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect 
>>> shoes for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:28:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Excellent kit and you look amazing. I love the bike style posts and am 
 so tickled every time I get one!
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 19, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 Today's cool but not too cold ride was with Randi Jo wool cap, wool 
 button up from Anian, and the buckskin gloves that Ron & Arya brand and 
 resell - which, for the record, are awesome! All of this kit is excellent 
 - 
 warm and pretty water resistant as well. 



 




 On Sunday, 5 November 2023 at 12:48:30 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll try to remember to take a photo of the knickers (not of me) when 
> it's next cold enough to wear them. They are very, very comfortable and 
> nice looking.
>
> Balmy upper 60s on today's ride home wearing my new (to me) bright 
> green Cheviot cap while riding a forest green Matthews.
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 10:20 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> +1 on your church going cycling attire. The description is vivid 
>> enough so I can clearly see it. Your warm weather sartorial choices are 
>> impressive as well.
>> I need to up my game and enhance my decade old Rivendell knickers. 
>> Thanks for the inspiration:-)
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL 
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I broke out my oh, so elegant! grey flannel cycling knickers* last 
>>> Sunday for the ride to church, matched with Rick's (Reisemberg) 
>>> medium-dark 
>>> grey knee socks and a charcoal grey merino mock turtleneck pullover 
>>> under a 
>>> navy Wabi Woolen LS jersey cunningly made into a light cycling jacket 
>>> with 
>>> the (very professional) addition of a full-length zipper. Shoes should 
>>> have 
>>> been Dromartis, but I use plain black canvas Specialized SPD shoes 
>>> because 
>>> they have a wide toe box and a flat bottom, better for standing during 
>>> 2+ 
>>> hour liturgies. Topped off with ironically-retro, deliberately jarring 
>>> green-and-red Legnano cycling cap; not quite cold enough for ear flaps. 
>>>
>>> Only 1 person did a double take at the knickers.
>>>
>>> Must take a fashion shot.
>>>
>>> But temps have risen almost 20* this week, so it looks like I'll be 
>>> back to the light nylon REI roll-up-legs-and-snap-in-place pants and 
>>> cotton 
>>> collared shirt this Sunday.
>>>
>>> Much more casually, this afternoon, temp about 72* with moderate 
>>> wind, wore a blue and white wool ss jersey with Italian lycra arm 
>>> warmers 
>>> over black Rapha Randonee shorts. Black ankle socks with catchy "Route 
>>> 66" 
>>> graphic and late 1980s/1990s Shimano 3-strap SPD shoes and custom 
>>> cycling 
>>> cap from Little Packet, no longer in business.
>>>
>>> * Very tastefully converted from a very nice pair of Nordstrom wool 
>>> dress flannels with nylon wind panels on inside front and replaceable 
>>> matched-color wear panel on seat and crotch.
>>>
>>> I have to say: I've spent considerable bucks on very many supposedly 
>>> purpose-designed riding pants, knickers and long pants, and I have 
>>> never 
>>> had a pair of cycling pants that fit as well and are so well adapted to 
>>> pedaling as converted dress pants, with the high waist and roomy -- not 
>>> baggy; not 1950s -- cut. They come up high enough in back that you 
>>> don't 
>>> have that continual exposed skin anxiety, and they just feel much more 
>>> comfortable. So many knickers and pants designed for cycling, so they 
>>> say, 
>>> are simply cut too low in the back and just feel uncomfortable, and I'm 
>>> very trim. I've owned I think 4 pairs of dress-pant conversion cycling 
>>> knickers and I wish I'd not sold 2 of the other 3 pairs. 
>>>
>>> Patrick "not 

[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Ryan]

Purple Haze! I think it's a  really fun build. Even though my personal 
aesthetic is a lot more restrained, I love Leah's bike builds. They're like 
art installations. 

Not to buzz-kill or anything, but I wonder how well anodizing/cerakoting 
finishes hold up, especially on high-wear areas such as pedals

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 9:44:28 PM UTC-5 MoVelo wrote:

> Lovely bike Leah. Makes me think of Tom Wolf's Electric Kool-Aid Acid 
> Test. 
>
> Psychedelics experience/experiments with powerful psychoactive substances 
> that alter perception and mood and affect numerous cognitive processes
>
> Sounds about right to me. Groovy baby!
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 10:43:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>>
>> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
>> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
>> to arrive.
>>
>> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
>> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>>
>> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
>> Little Platy. 
>>
>> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken 
>> on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I 
>> put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>>
>> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
>> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the 
>> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I 
>> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
>> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil 
>> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>>
>> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>>
>> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
>> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
>> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
>> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
>> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
>> She understood the assignment. 
>>
>> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
>> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
>> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
>> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
>> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
>> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
>> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
>> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
>> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>>
>> Please find my video link below.
>> Leah
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Dan]

Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my LBS 
recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's 
possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit 
it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too.

With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I 
love mine.
Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. 
The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus.
Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point it 
out.
Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I think 
they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an 
Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one...

On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity Quills. 
> I will say though...
>
> I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has 
> some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. 
> The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference of 
> having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs fussing 
> for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering sealant 
> everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially 
> seat the bead. 
>
> This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's 
> rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've 
> personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The 
> tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter.
>
> Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of those 
> public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne 
> thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged the 
> air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I 
> was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. 
> My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some 
> sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off the 
> ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the bead of 
> a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality tubeless 
> tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. 
>
> First train ride:
>
> [image: IMG_3477.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the 
>> Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the sculptural 
>> design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not 
>> match the function very well. The function of the pedal is heavily reliant 
>> upon the pins. Remove the pins and you have a pretty terrible pedal, in 
>> terms of have a flat, consistent surface on which to evenly distribute 
>> weight, with some form of traction. The pins they come with are quite tall 
>> and aggressive, the type that will mark and damage your shoe sole overtime. 
>> They are quite effective, but, at least in my eyes, these are meant to be 
>> beautiful pedals for pleasure riding, not downhill mtb'ing. I modified them 
>> by putting in a mix of 1-2mm shorter brass m4 set screws. I like how they 
>> are now, but wouldn't purchase them again. I'll probably end up with some 
>> generic Shimano one-side platform/other side SPD pedal, as some of the dirt 
>> trails I like to go on tangent to my city are incredibly steep. 
>>
>> Right now I'm experimenting with some Rene Herse knobbies. They roll 
>> exceptionally well, are indeed quiet, but however, they have introduced a 
>> consistent buzz that is transmitted to the pedals--feedback which I'm not 
>> crazy about. Audibly they are indeed quiet. I'm VERY impressed by the 
>> durability of the endurance casing, I trashed these tires descending over 
>> 6000ft on some of the chunkiest rocks/terrain in southern california and 
>> not a hiccup. I did identify one of the knobs being slashed in half and 
>> flapping about, no risk of a puncture though. I'll probably switch back to 
>> RH slicks, or try a slick in the rear and knobby up front. 
>>
>> *As much as I do love the Platy so far, I think I would desire the 
>> additional tire clearance that an Appaloosa offers.* *If anyone has a 
>> 54-57cm lime-olive Appaloosa frame/fork, I would consider a purchase or 
>> trade. * Plus the additional convenience of a diamond frame, from extra 
>> water bottle, to more traditional frame bags/top tube bags, can't be denied 
>> for longer rides/future tours. 
>>
>> Picture from recent lunch on some grass.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3468.JPG]
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 3:33:22 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:
>>
>>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The complete build list is as follows. 

[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[MoVelo]

Lovely bike Leah. Makes me think of Tom Wolf's Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. 

Psychedelics experience/experiments with powerful psychoactive substances 
that alter perception and mood and affect numerous cognitive processes

Sounds about right to me. Groovy baby!
On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 10:43:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>
> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
> to arrive.
>
> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>
> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
> Little Platy. 
>
> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken on 
> Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I put 
> fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>
> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had rainbow 
> hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the colors? 
> I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I had my 
> Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for grips, I 
> found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil slick 
> everywhere I could get it. 
>
> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>
> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
> She understood the assignment. 
>
> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>
> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>
> Please find my video link below.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Doug H.]

Leah,
I tried the Silver2 shifters and also had ghost shifting. I used Loctite 
and still had ghost shifting. I've also used Microshift and Shimano 
thumb-shifters with no ghost shifting. That's my limited experience but I 
hope you get yours to hold like Patrick was able to do. I'm no mechanic so 
someone with more know-how may be able to make it work.

So glad to hear you're liking the My Little Pony Gravel Travel bike! It's a 
looker for sure. Have you had any compliments on it yet? I may have missed 
that in your posts so apologies if so.
Doug

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 6:12:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "I don’t know anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster 
> than these 650b."
>
> A common note about 26"-and-smaller wheels is they spin up faster than 
> 700c but don't hold momentum as well. You may be experiencing this 
> phenomenon with 650b as well. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:55:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
>> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
>> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
>> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
>> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
>> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
>> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
>> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
>> differences, I don’t know.
>>
>> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
>> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
>> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
>> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
>> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>>
>> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
>> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
>> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
>> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
>> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
>> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
>> because they come highly lauded. 
>>
>> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
>> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
>> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>>
>> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
>> having such fun in the process.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
>> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
>> through with the 1 in for me.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
>> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
>> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
>> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
>> -Wes
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>>
>>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>>> passions turn out.
>>>
>>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
>>> --- coating.
>>>
>>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus 
>>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
 interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

[Jay]

I wanted to circle back and close out initial impressions on my Roadini.  I 
used it on a road ride with my friend today.  I put on the 2nd wheelset, 
that has Vittoria Corsa Pro 30mm tires.  My friend is faster and when we 
ride together he dials it back, and I push harder than I usually do, and it 
works out and we have good rides.  I was worried that the extra weight (4-5 
pounds) and more upright posture would hold be back, so I warned him in 
advance.  I felt really comfortable on the entire 2.5 ride, including a 
headwind on our way back.  I used the drops quite a bit, in part because 
they're very comfortable.  I felt really good and was pleasantly surprised 
that we probably had our fastest average on those roads.  Well done Leo!

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:33:55 PM UTC-5 Jay wrote:

> First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds 
> like a good place...my new happy place ;-)
>
> I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that 
> sells Riv (C Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll 
> be visiting Montreal.
>
> Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now 
> though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using 
> those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill 
> wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the 
> winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake 
> levers, and Tektro brakes.
>
> Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved, but 
> there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local 
> mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will 
> be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!
>
> Photos to come in February.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Jay]

I ended up sticking with drop bars, but making some changes after a good 
conversation with my chiro and a few rides on the three bikes where I paid 
a lot of attention to where I had pain, and my posture on those rides.

On the Roadini and Salsa, I was using 42cm bars (at the hoods hoods) with 
12 degrees of flare.  First time I went up from 40cm.  In previous fittings 
I was told I can run a 38cm as I have narrow shoulders.  It's a trend these 
days to run wider, I tried it, but it really backfired given my 
pre-existing neck/shoulder issue.  When on the hoods my arms were not a 
straight line from my body, they were out a bit, and this was a minor 
(major at times) pain.  I replaced those bars, have ridden each bike once 
(1.5-2.5 hours) and it was instantly noticeable.  Pain gone.  Both of those 
bikes have the bars upright (tops level with saddle, hoods higher) and not 
stretched out.  Road bike has 40cm bars, but the reach is long and drop is 
2.5cm below saddle (making the drops unreachable for me).  That's being 
rectified next.

I may try swept back one day, but for now I do love drop bars and the 
varied hand positions, and it was much cheaper to replace two bars and 
re-use the table (success on both counts).

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
> better?
>
> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>
> *Quick background*
> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
> 'gravel' bikes/riding
> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
> training; have had numerous bike fits
> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>
> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>
> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% 
> to 99%)*
>
> My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
> about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
> when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
> because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
> angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
> age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
> and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
> those days!?
>
> I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept 
> back (or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned 
> to mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if 
> they're anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, 
> but you have to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar 
> bike in the garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most 
> of the issues you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive) 
> bike?*
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[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

[Sarah Carlson]

Looking forward to a someday CA meetup so you can come ride with me and our 
little brother! Will the travel gravel platy be up to the task? Only one 
way to find out!

Sarah

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 1:13:57 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yay for Ben and his first post! 
>
> So, backstory (I love a good backstory.) Ben showed up in my IG DMs one 
> day and we got to chatting. A mechanic at Blue Heron came up in 
> conversation (he has a colorful Platypus and is a friend of Ben’s). I said, 
> “My friend Sarah knows him!” And then I pointed Ben to Sarah’s IG and he 
> became familiar with her yellow Platypus. One day I got an excited message 
> from Ben, who had seen Sarah in passing out on her Platy. He didn’t feel 
> like he should stop her to introduce himself in case that would scare her. 
> I said I’d reach out and connect them. And those two have been good buddies 
> ever since. 
>
> So, being that Ben is just a kid, we call him our Little Brother, as in, 
> “I’m meeting our Little Brother for coffee” and “Did you tell our Little 
> Brother about that Platypus for sale” and so on and so forth. He and Sarah 
> ride their matching Atlanti together and Ben jokes one day they’ll get a 
> Hubbah Hubbah. I wish I was close enough to be in Sarah and Ben’s riding 
> group, but one day I’ll make a trek to California so I can do a ride with 
> them and be one big happy bunch of RivSiblings.
>
> Pam Murray always says “Bike people are the best people” and Pam Murray is 
> never wrong.
> Leah
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:50:35 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5333.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_5077.jpg][image: IMG_5080.jpg][image: IMG_5081.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>>>
 hey all,

 this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope 
 fully my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
 here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member. 
  shout out to Zac big thank you.
 i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
 that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
 have to own one at some point".
 i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
 group within a group.  
 You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail 
 and even running errands along the Greenway.
 Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are 
 pretty dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid 
 rise that will go on next.
 Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
 *pics coming in next post
 Ben R from El Cerrito

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Joe Bernard]

"I don’t know anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster 
than these 650b."

A common note about 26"-and-smaller wheels is they spin up faster than 700c 
but don't hold momentum as well. You may be experiencing this phenomenon 
with 650b as well. 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:55:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
> differences, I don’t know.
>
> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>
> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
> because they come highly lauded. 
>
> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>
> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
> having such fun in the process.
> Leah
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
> through with the 1 in for me.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
> -Wes
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>
>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>> passions turn out.
>>
>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
>> --- coating.
>>
>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus 
>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
>>> interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for blue Loctite on shift lever threads -- it works. Me, I am less
careful than Armand and simple put a big dollop on the threads, screw it
all together, adjust tension, and let it dry -- this method hasn't failed
yet over many years.

On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 10:41 AM Armand Kizirian 
wrote:

> Leah,
>
> Remove the "thumb screw" from the shifters. Place some blue threadlocker
> on the threads, let it dry, and do another coating as well. They won't hold
> their setting and eventually unscrew from use, creating ghost shifts,
> particularly at the worst possible time (out of the saddle sprints, etc.).
> A few layers of threadlocker help them hold their position without issue.
>
> If you happen to powdercoat things in the future, check out the color
> "prismatic universe". I powdercoated my mtb that color with a high gloss
> clear coat and it is insane in the sun. I'll have to send some pics when
> it's all together. Doing some light oil slick parts too as a theme.
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:55:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love
>> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do
>> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know
>> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these
>> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a
>> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity
>> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and
>> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real
>> differences, I don’t know.
>>
>> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m
>> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both
>> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the
>> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I
>> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it.
>>
>> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle
>> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when
>> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever
>> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost
>> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can
>> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters,
>> because they come highly lauded.
>>
>> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I
>> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the
>> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why.
>>
>> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m
>> having such fun in the process.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw
>> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came
>> through with the 1 in for me.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look
>> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between
>> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards
>> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
>> -Wes
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently
>>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the
>>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I
>>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>>
>>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts
>>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full
>>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others'
>>> passions turn out.
>>>
>>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from
>>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy
>>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate
>>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I
>>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a
>>> --- coating.
>>>
>>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus
>>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also
 interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!

>>>
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[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Yay for Ben and his first post! 

So, backstory (I love a good backstory.) Ben showed up in my IG DMs one day 
and we got to chatting. A mechanic at Blue Heron came up in conversation 
(he has a colorful Platypus and is a friend of Ben’s). I said, “My friend 
Sarah knows him!” And then I pointed Ben to Sarah’s IG and he became 
familiar with her yellow Platypus. One day I got an excited message from 
Ben, who had seen Sarah in passing out on her Platy. He didn’t feel like he 
should stop her to introduce himself in case that would scare her. I said 
I’d reach out and connect them. And those two have been good buddies ever 
since. 

So, being that Ben is just a kid, we call him our Little Brother, as in, 
“I’m meeting our Little Brother for coffee” and “Did you tell our Little 
Brother about that Platypus for sale” and so on and so forth. He and Sarah 
ride their matching Atlanti together and Ben jokes one day they’ll get a 
Hubbah Hubbah. I wish I was close enough to be in Sarah and Ben’s riding 
group, but one day I’ll make a trek to California so I can do a ride with 
them and be one big happy bunch of RivSiblings.

Pam Murray always says “Bike people are the best people” and Pam Murray is 
never wrong.
Leah

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:50:35 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_5333.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5077.jpg][image: IMG_5080.jpg][image: IMG_5081.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>>
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope 
>>> fully my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
>>> here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member. 
>>>  shout out to Zac big thank you.
>>> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
>>> that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
>>> have to own one at some point".
>>> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
>>> group within a group.  
>>> You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail 
>>> and even running errands along the Greenway.
>>> Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are 
>>> pretty dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid 
>>> rise that will go on next.
>>> Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
>>>  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
>>> *pics coming in next post
>>> Ben R from El Cerrito
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Patrick Moore]

This is starting to remind me of the early '90s.

Patrick Moore, who once built a gofast '92 XO-1 with bright purple anodized
Sun M14A "semi-aero" rims (and later ruined them with Easy Off -- left them
at the curb for the recycling truck).

On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 6:41 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes
> for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:28:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent kit and you look amazing. I love the bike style posts and am so
>> tickled every time I get one!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Today's cool but not too cold ride was with Randi Jo wool cap, wool
>> button up from Anian, and the buckskin gloves that Ron & Arya brand and
>> resell - which, for the record, are awesome! All of this kit is excellent -
>> warm and pretty water resistant as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 5 November 2023 at 12:48:30 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'll try to remember to take a photo of the knickers (not of me) when
>>> it's next cold enough to wear them. They are very, very comfortable and
>>> nice looking.
>>>
>>> Balmy upper 60s on today's ride home wearing my new (to me) bright green
>>> Cheviot cap while riding a forest green Matthews.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 10:20 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick,

 +1 on your church going cycling attire. The description is vivid enough
 so I can clearly see it. Your warm weather sartorial choices are impressive
 as well.
 I need to up my game and enhance my decade old Rivendell knickers.
 Thanks for the inspiration:-)

 Best,
 Rich in ATL


 On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I broke out my oh, so elegant! grey flannel cycling knickers* last
> Sunday for the ride to church, matched with Rick's (Reisemberg) 
> medium-dark
> grey knee socks and a charcoal grey merino mock turtleneck pullover under 
> a
> navy Wabi Woolen LS jersey cunningly made into a light cycling jacket with
> the (very professional) addition of a full-length zipper. Shoes should 
> have
> been Dromartis, but I use plain black canvas Specialized SPD shoes because
> they have a wide toe box and a flat bottom, better for standing during 2+
> hour liturgies. Topped off with ironically-retro, deliberately jarring
> green-and-red Legnano cycling cap; not quite cold enough for ear flaps.
>
> Only 1 person did a double take at the knickers.
>
> Must take a fashion shot.
>
> But temps have risen almost 20* this week, so it looks like I'll be
> back to the light nylon REI roll-up-legs-and-snap-in-place pants and 
> cotton
> collared shirt this Sunday.
>
> Much more casually, this afternoon, temp about 72* with moderate wind,
> wore a blue and white wool ss jersey with Italian lycra arm warmers over
> black Rapha Randonee shorts. Black ankle socks with catchy "Route 66"
> graphic and late 1980s/1990s Shimano 3-strap SPD shoes and custom cycling
> cap from Little Packet, no longer in business.
>
> * Very tastefully converted from a very nice pair of Nordstrom wool
> dress flannels with nylon wind panels on inside front and replaceable
> matched-color wear panel on seat and crotch.
>
> I have to say: I've spent considerable bucks on very many supposedly
> purpose-designed riding pants, knickers and long pants, and I have never
> had a pair of cycling pants that fit as well and are so well adapted to
> pedaling as converted dress pants, with the high waist and roomy -- not
> baggy; not 1950s -- cut. They come up high enough in back that you don't
> have that continual exposed skin anxiety, and they just feel much more
> comfortable. So many knickers and pants designed for cycling, so they say,
> are simply cut too low in the back and just feel uncomfortable, and I'm
> very trim. I've owned I think 4 pairs of dress-pant conversion cycling
> knickers and I wish I'd not sold 2 of the other 3 pairs.
>
> Patrick "not quite as serious as you might think" Moore
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:17 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Another knickers fan for spring/fall riding. My outfit today was
>> perfect for the cool, crisp temps and reasonably coordinated (merino
>> sweater, Zoic Reign knickers, Vans checkerboard socks).
>>
>> [image: GR001-4893_maple-ridge-1800.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Leah Peterson]

Ted, Fact: I did have the shoes first. 﫣LOn May 26, 2024, at 11:44 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes for your bike, you gotta let people know.Now you'll have to answer the question ... did you get the bike to match the shoes, or the shoes to match the bike?Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Leah Peterson]

Ian, I do so love a good recommendation. Let me go see what this Topo Designs is all about. Thanks!On May 26, 2024, at 2:23 PM, ian m  wrote:Leah,Not sure if you are or were looking for recommendations as much as just interested in a chat about cycling fashions, but either way my wife swears by Topo Designs for everyday cycle commuter wear. Judging from your pictures she has a similar style to you. She loves the Dirt pants and shorts especially. They're a thin cotton canvas with stretch, articulated knees, a gusset, and the freedom of an elastic waistband.Meanwhile I'm over here waiting for men's shorts to go back to the days of a more reasonable inseam like 3-5", so like Armand generally wearing cut-offsOn Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 1:00:51 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I think your ‘fit is definitely bike stylish! Those are great shorts and I like the helmet, too. Even the sweat is a good look - shows you REALLY DID IT out there!On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:49:33 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:Not necessarily "styling", but a lone picture of me on the Los Angeles invitational ride recently climbing up Mt Lowe.  Super stretchy ripton denim shorts are as close to lycra as denim can be, with a super thin icebreaker merino base layer. Sweat reflects about a 4000ft climb in less than 12 miles. :) New purple POC helmet happened to match the Platy, heavily discounted on bikecloset.com right now. (Replace your helmet folks! I didn't have a good look at my ~8 year old Giro helmet and it was riddled with cracks in all the corners). I don't condone Rapha wear, but I have found their polycotton cycling caps to some of the best, which I'm wearing here. As a fully bald headed person a good cycling cap is critical. On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes for your bike, you gotta let people know.Now you'll have to answer the question ... did you get the bike to match the shoes, or the shoes to match the bike?Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[ian m]

Leah,

Not sure if you are or were looking for recommendations as much as just 
interested in a chat about cycling fashions, but either way my wife swears 
by Topo Designs for everyday cycle commuter wear. Judging from your 
pictures she has a similar style to you. She loves the Dirt pants and 
shorts especially. They're a thin cotton canvas with stretch, articulated 
knees, a gusset, and the freedom of an elastic waistband.

Meanwhile I'm over here waiting for men's shorts to go back to the days of 
a more reasonable inseam like 3-5", so like Armand generally wearing 
cut-offs
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 1:00:51 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I think your ‘fit is definitely bike stylish! Those are great shorts and I 
> like the helmet, too. Even the sweat is a good look - shows you REALLY DID 
> IT out there!
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:49:33 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not necessarily "styling", but a lone picture of me on the Los Angeles 
>> invitational ride recently climbing up Mt Lowe.  Super stretchy ripton 
>> denim shorts are as close to lycra as denim can be, with a super thin 
>> icebreaker merino base layer. Sweat reflects about a 4000ft climb in less 
>> than 12 miles. :) New purple POC helmet happened to match the Platy, 
>> heavily discounted on bikecloset.com right now. (Replace your helmet 
>> folks! I didn't have a good look at my ~8 year old Giro helmet and it was 
>> riddled with cracks in all the corners). I don't condone Rapha wear, but I 
>> have found their polycotton cycling caps to some of the best, which I'm 
>> wearing here. As a fully bald headed person a good cycling cap is critical. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_3396.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect 
>>> shoes for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>>>
>>> Now you'll have to answer the question ... did you get the bike to match 
>>> the shoes, or the shoes to match the bike?
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I think your ‘fit is definitely bike stylish! Those are great shorts and I 
like the helmet, too. Even the sweat is a good look - shows you REALLY DID 
IT out there!

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:49:33 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not necessarily "styling", but a lone picture of me on the Los Angeles 
> invitational ride recently climbing up Mt Lowe.  Super stretchy ripton 
> denim shorts are as close to lycra as denim can be, with a super thin 
> icebreaker merino base layer. Sweat reflects about a 4000ft climb in less 
> than 12 miles. :) New purple POC helmet happened to match the Platy, 
> heavily discounted on bikecloset.com right now. (Replace your helmet 
> folks! I didn't have a good look at my ~8 year old Giro helmet and it was 
> riddled with cracks in all the corners). I don't condone Rapha wear, but I 
> have found their polycotton cycling caps to some of the best, which I'm 
> wearing here. As a fully bald headed person a good cycling cap is critical. 
>
> [image: IMG_3396.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes 
>> for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>>
>> Now you'll have to answer the question ... did you get the bike to match 
>> the shoes, or the shoes to match the bike?
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Armand Kizirian]

Leah, 

Remove the "thumb screw" from the shifters. Place some blue threadlocker on 
the threads, let it dry, and do another coating as well. They won't hold 
their setting and eventually unscrew from use, creating ghost shifts, 
particularly at the worst possible time (out of the saddle sprints, etc.). 
A few layers of threadlocker help them hold their position without issue. 

If you happen to powdercoat things in the future, check out the color 
"prismatic universe". I powdercoated my mtb that color with a high gloss 
clear coat and it is insane in the sun. I'll have to send some pics when 
it's all together. Doing some light oil slick parts too as a theme. 

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:55:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
> differences, I don’t know.
>
> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>
> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
> because they come highly lauded. 
>
> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>
> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
> having such fun in the process.
> Leah
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
> through with the 1 in for me.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
> -Wes
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>
>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>> passions turn out.
>>
>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
>> --- coating.
>>
>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus 
>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
>>> interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Johnny Alien]

Love the new bike (a lot...I am a fan of 80's color schemes) and also love 
the feedback on how size/geometry/differences affect the ride.

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 9:30:25 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Love it. Love the video (which was quite well done), love the bike, love 
> the colors...love it. 
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
>> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
>> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
>> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
>> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
>> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
>> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
>> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
>> differences, I don’t know.
>>
>> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
>> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
>> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
>> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
>> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>>
>> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
>> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
>> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
>> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
>> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
>> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
>> because they come highly lauded. 
>>
>> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
>> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
>> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>>
>> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
>> having such fun in the process.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
>> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
>> through with the 1 in for me.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
>> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
>> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
>> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
>> -Wes
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>>
>>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>>> passions turn out.
>>>
>>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
>>> --- coating.
>>>
>>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus 
>>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
 interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!

>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes 
for your bike, you gotta let people know.

Now you'll have to answer the question ... did you get the bike to match 
the shoes, or the shoes to match the bike?

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Josh C]

Love it. Love the video (which was quite well done), love the bike, love 
the colors...love it. 

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
> differences, I don’t know.
>
> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>
> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
> because they come highly lauded. 
>
> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>
> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
> having such fun in the process.
> Leah
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
> through with the 1 in for me.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
> -Wes
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>
>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>> passions turn out.
>>
>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
>> --- coating.
>>
>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus 
>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
>>> interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Sarah Carlson]

Those ARE the perfect shoes that bike!!

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:41:36 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes 
> for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:28:46 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Excellent kit and you look amazing. I love the bike style posts and am so 
>> tickled every time I get one!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 9:29 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Today's cool but not too cold ride was with Randi Jo wool cap, wool 
>> button up from Anian, and the buckskin gloves that Ron & Arya brand and 
>> resell - which, for the record, are awesome! All of this kit is excellent - 
>> warm and pretty water resistant as well. 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 5 November 2023 at 12:48:30 UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'll try to remember to take a photo of the knickers (not of me) when 
>>> it's next cold enough to wear them. They are very, very comfortable and 
>>> nice looking.
>>>
>>> Balmy upper 60s on today's ride home wearing my new (to me) bright green 
>>> Cheviot cap while riding a forest green Matthews.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 10:20 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick,

 +1 on your church going cycling attire. The description is vivid enough 
 so I can clearly see it. Your warm weather sartorial choices are 
 impressive 
 as well.
 I need to up my game and enhance my decade old Rivendell knickers. 
 Thanks for the inspiration:-)

 Best,
 Rich in ATL 
  

 On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:28:12 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I broke out my oh, so elegant! grey flannel cycling knickers* last 
> Sunday for the ride to church, matched with Rick's (Reisemberg) 
> medium-dark 
> grey knee socks and a charcoal grey merino mock turtleneck pullover under 
> a 
> navy Wabi Woolen LS jersey cunningly made into a light cycling jacket 
> with 
> the (very professional) addition of a full-length zipper. Shoes should 
> have 
> been Dromartis, but I use plain black canvas Specialized SPD shoes 
> because 
> they have a wide toe box and a flat bottom, better for standing during 2+ 
> hour liturgies. Topped off with ironically-retro, deliberately jarring 
> green-and-red Legnano cycling cap; not quite cold enough for ear flaps. 
>
> Only 1 person did a double take at the knickers.
>
> Must take a fashion shot.
>
> But temps have risen almost 20* this week, so it looks like I'll be 
> back to the light nylon REI roll-up-legs-and-snap-in-place pants and 
> cotton 
> collared shirt this Sunday.
>
> Much more casually, this afternoon, temp about 72* with moderate wind, 
> wore a blue and white wool ss jersey with Italian lycra arm warmers over 
> black Rapha Randonee shorts. Black ankle socks with catchy "Route 66" 
> graphic and late 1980s/1990s Shimano 3-strap SPD shoes and custom cycling 
> cap from Little Packet, no longer in business.
>
> * Very tastefully converted from a very nice pair of Nordstrom wool 
> dress flannels with nylon wind panels on inside front and replaceable 
> matched-color wear panel on seat and crotch.
>
> I have to say: I've spent considerable bucks on very many supposedly 
> purpose-designed riding pants, knickers and long pants, and I have never 
> had a pair of cycling pants that fit as well and are so well adapted to 
> pedaling as converted dress pants, with the high waist and roomy -- not 
> baggy; not 1950s -- cut. They come up high enough in back that you don't 
> have that continual exposed skin anxiety, and they just feel much more 
> comfortable. So many knickers and pants designed for cycling, so they 
> say, 
> are simply cut too low in the back and just feel uncomfortable, and I'm 
> very trim. I've owned I think 4 pairs of dress-pant conversion cycling 
> knickers and I wish I'd not sold 2 of the other 3 pairs. 
>
> Patrick "not quite as serious as you might think" Moore
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:17 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Another knickers fan for spring/fall riding. My outfit today was 
>> perfect for the cool, crisp temps and reasonably coordinated (merino 
>> sweater, Zoic Reign knickers, Vans checkerboard socks).
>>
>> [image: GR001-4893_maple-ridge-1800.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Leah Peterson]

I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real differences, I don’t know.The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, because they come highly lauded. The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m having such fun in the process.LeahOn May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came through with the 1 in for me.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards apparently have almost no contact across the divide.-WesOn Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' passions turn out.Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a --- coating.One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  wrote:Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!



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[RBW] Re: FS: Giles Berthoud Aravis

[Ryan Frahm]

SOLD! Thanks all!

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 1:27:10 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Still available. 
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:20:07 PM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Bump. $275 +shipping
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:54:34 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>
>>> I splurged and bought this saddle after having some very good 
>>> experiences with the Aspen some years back. Unfortunately, it isn’t working 
>>> for me and the bike I am riding now. I put right at 100 miles in a few 
>>> rides and took it off. The cover is from RandiJo and is brand new.  I 
>>> waited for the cover before deciding to sell this. 
>>> Asking $290 +shipping. Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 9:08:28 PM UTC-5 Zac wrote:

Using a little pressure to pry open the seat tube worked — 27.2mm post is 
in.

 
Excellent! I'm really glad that worked for you.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[Zac]

Using a little pressure to pry open the seat tube worked — 27.2mm post is 
in.

Max, that's a sweet round-about-town bike!

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 11:32:30 AM UTC-7 gogou...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sorry to be late on this but  I can confirm that My Heron Road has a 
> 27.2mm post.
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:19:16 PM UTC-4 Zac wrote:
>
>> Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm? 
>>
>> According to Sheldon Brown's database, all Heron's use a 27.2 post, but 
>> the one I just tried to install wasn't going in at all. I rode by a shop 
>> and their calipers gave 26.8-9 for both the seat tube and existing seat 
>> post. 
>>
>> The bike is fairly new to me, perhaps the seat tube got pinched at the 
>> top at some point.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yet Another Garage Sale

[Collin A]

Quick update with a new addition and some sold items...

   - XTR M900 cantilever brakes, 1 bike's worth: These are a bit of a 
   catch-and-release from a fellow list member. I rode them around on the 
   appaloosa commuter and they worked great, but the Paul Cantis I have worked 
   a bit better (or, to say it another way, I was able to set them up for 
   better braking). Fantastic condition. *Asking for $120 shipped*, or best 
   offer. Pivots cleaned and lubed with T-9. New kool stop salmon pads. 
   Original pads included in case you want 30 year old rim brake pads...
   - 
   - Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on these. 
   *$40*
   - White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal if 
   you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
   
- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. Waxed 
with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 2, 10 speed 
quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot waxing).
- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this guy. 
Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*

On Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Pending items have sold and folks should have the tracking info. The 
> updated list is below:
>
>
>
>- Vittoria Corsa 700x34 N.Ext, tube-type only. These have about 
>200-or-so miles. Lighter (230g measured), faster, and more durable (so 
> far) 
>than the RH 700x32 extralight equivalents, IMO. Measure out to about 33 mm 
>on 19mm ID rims at 45 psi. *$80*
>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on these. 
>*$40*
>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal if 
>you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>
>
>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 
>2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
>waxing).
>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this 
>guy. Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*
>
>
>- Silca Tubeless Setup, 16 oz Part 1 and 32 oz Part 2 (replenisher). 
>New, never used. *$50*
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Collin
>
> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 7:57:14 AM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> XTR derailleur is sold.  A couple items are sold, pending payment. 
>> Updated list is below:
>>
>>
>>
>>- Vittoria Corsa 700x34 N.Ext, tube-type only. These have about 
>>200-or-so miles. Lighter (230g measured), faster, and more durable (so 
>> far) 
>>than the RH 700x32 extralight equivalents, IMO. Measure out to about 33 
>> mm 
>>on 19mm ID rims at 45 psi. *$80*
>>- Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on 
>>these. *$40*
>>- White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal 
>>if you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
>>
>>
>>- Deore M591 long cage rear derailleur, silver - Shows some 
>>wear-and-tear, but shifts up to a 42t 10 speed cassette. *$30 - 
>>pending*
>>- Deore M5000 10 speed 11-42 cassette - effectively new, but mounted 
>>and ridden around the block. *$30 - pending*
>>
>>
>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
>>Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 
>>2, 10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
>>waxing).
>>- Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this 
>>guy. Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*
>>
>>
>>- Microshift 2/3x10 thumbie shifters. The front is friction, and the 
>>rear was originally a 9-speed, but I replaced the detents on them to make 
>>it the old 10 speed road pull. I also have the old 9 speed detents if you 
>>want it back to that. Can be used with old 9 speed mountain rear 
>>derailleurs to index it over a 10 speed cassette *$50 - pending*
>>- IRD 28t 74 BCD 11 speed chainrings. One shows wear form just trying 
>>something out on the stand, the other is brand new, never mounted. *$40 
>>- pending*
>>
>>
>>- Silca Tubeless Setup, 16 oz Part 1 and 32 oz Part 2 (replenisher). 
>>New, never used. *$50*
>>
>>
>>- Some 9 speed cassettes 1x sram 11-34, 1x shimano hg400 11-36 
>>megarange type, 1xmicroshift 11-36. All steel cogs on these suckers. *$15 
>>each - pending*
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin
>>
>> On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 2:16:32 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Ugh, photos are here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/2q2EdEo1398n17rq6
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: T-Shirt Lot (Nitto, Dirt Rag, All City, Surly and more)

[luckyturnip]

Whomever bought this, message me if you want to sell the Surly shirt?Liz in Sacramento On May 25, 2024, at 15:12, Dave Grossman  wrote:SOLDOn Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 11:50:05 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:  Cleaning out some t-shirts.  Take this whole lot for $50 shipped.  All in various states of wear, all either a large or extra-large.  The Nitto and the Dirt Rag shirt are the gems of the lot imho.Includes:2 Surly Shirts1 Dirt Rag1 Nitto1 All City1 Clockwork1 DH1 Hodag Country Ramble 1 Rays MTB Park (PBR style)1 Macks Bike and Goodshttps://photos.app.goo.gl/hTucJtBudBPM8cvTA



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[RBW] Re: T-Shirt Lot (Nitto, Dirt Rag, All City, Surly and more)

[Dave Grossman]

SOLD

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 11:50:05 AM UTC-5 Dave Grossman wrote:

>   Cleaning out some t-shirts.  Take this whole lot for $50 shipped.  All 
> in various states of wear, all either a large or extra-large.  The Nitto 
> and the Dirt Rag shirt are the gems of the lot imho.
>
> Includes:
> 2 Surly Shirts
> 1 Dirt Rag
> 1 Nitto
> 1 All City
> 1 Clockwork
> 1 DH
> 1 Hodag Country Ramble 
> 1 Rays MTB Park (PBR style)
> 1 Macks Bike and Goods
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/hTucJtBudBPM8cvTA
>
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[RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[Spencer Robinson]

Sorry to be late on this but  I can confirm that My Heron Road has a 27.2mm 
post.

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:19:16 PM UTC-4 Zac wrote:

> Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm? 
>
> According to Sheldon Brown's database, all Heron's use a 27.2 post, but 
> the one I just tried to install wasn't going in at all. I rode by a shop 
> and their calipers gave 26.8-9 for both the seat tube and existing seat 
> post. 
>
> The bike is fairly new to me, perhaps the seat tube got pinched at the top 
> at some point.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Large Sackville and Nitto Noodles

[Michael Ullmer]

Sackville is off to a new home.

Noodles still available.

On Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Got two Rivy items I'm looking to pass on. Shipping is not included:
>
> 1) Rivendell Sackville Saddlesack Large Olive with Kangaroo Pouch - $175
> -- Original version of the Large Rivendell Sackville Saddlesack with the 
> Kangaroo Pouch. Great shape, I was saving this as a backup to the one I 
> already have. This is the version that also has a cutout in the back to fit 
> with a Nitto R-14 Rack. If you need an R-14, I can also include one for an 
> additional $100.
>
> 2) Nitto Noodle 48cm Drop Bars - $60
> --Some tape residue, but otherwise good shape.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/XUhbRsYrjGzedxLU7
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[ascpgh]

Like cars, I hate that complexities are defining "bicycles". I love my 
bikes and love riding them. Keeping them functioning versus in service is 
my objective and there is no more timely arrangement than me being able to 
execute adjustments, service and repair. Complexity challenges  entropy 
directly so I prefer to remain closer to equilibrium rahter than rise high 
above it. 

I read that a growing reason for trading vehicles has been the infotainment 
program suite/compatibility with owners' cellular devices. Seriously, 
dumping a serviceable low mileage vehicle because they got a new phone. 
This represents a huge wasteful egocentricity to me. A new 3000 pound 
product made from extracted materials, labor and energy consumption to 
manufacture and deliver because it plays nicer with your new phone.

I abhor that motor vehicles have become considered on par with countertop 
appliances, many purchased by people who feelings toward them ranges from 
"don't care" to "dislike driving them" (as long as they can play their 
music through the speakers). A toaster. A car was how I could connect with 
my friends when corded phones were under the full family's observation and 
monitoring. I had passion for my serial progression of cars as I do my 
bikes.

While not dark ages (I do dyno hubs and wired lighting), I am definitely 
not "for" the growing technification of bicycles. Not what propels my needs 
from bicycling. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 12:31:29 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the 
> extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades 
> ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the 
> pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our 
> society became more and more technologically insatiable, electronic 
> groupsets blew up in the early 2000's...then folks decided *wireless* 
> groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first 
> iPad). Our wireless, digital, always-connected world had to permeate all 
> aspects of our life -- at least *all* companies did a good job marketing 
> that to us. 
>
> The video makes a good callout with the "Tesla-fication" of cars. Not just 
> EVs, but now we see full ICE cars with giant touchscreens that nestle basic 
> climate controls and radio features behind menus. Cars have over-the-air 
> updates like our smartphones. We continue to pay monthly subscriptions to 
> use features on the cars we own that the manufacturers say should be 
> as-a-service. We're starting to see this with bikes, but on the other side 
> we're also seeing a proliferation of small independent bike shops who rehab 
> older frames with quality new parts and sell those bikes instead of the 
> latest big-box arguments of how bikes should be. The good news is that the 
> pendulum is starting to swing the other way. 
>
> Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
>> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
>> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
>> and appreciate his thoughts.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Nick Payne]

On Saturday 25 May 2024 at 2:31:29 am UTC+10 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

then folks decided *wireless* groupsets had to be a thing (first released 
only 4 years after the first iPad).


Long before that. Mavic Mektronic pre-dated the iPad by at least a decade, 
and its predecessor (Mavic Zap, which was wired, not wireless) by almost 
two decades.

I've been using SRAM eTap for almost a decade, with zero problems. I 
presently have it on three bikes - two with the original 11-speed Red eTap, 
and one with 12-speed, a mixture of Force shifters/brakes and Rival 
derailleurs.

Nick Payne 

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[RBW] Re: WTB/T Nitto Tallux 5cm Stem

[John Rinker]

I'm going to bump this because I'm still looking. With all the bar swapping 
going on around here, I'm hoping someone might have one of these that needs 
a new home. 

While I'm at it, I'm also looking for some Silver Shifters (1st gen) in 
good shape.

Cheers, John
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 7:44:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you, Michael! This will certainly be my next step after I give the 
> 'reduce, reuse' strategy a go. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:42:37 PM UTC-8 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> Crust has 5cm x 250 Technomic stems for $55
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-technomic-stem
>>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Gonna bump this 'cause I'm still hoping someone's holding. Cheers. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Good morning,

 Looking to shorten my reach a bit, and I'm wondering if one of you 
 might be holding a Nitto Tallux 5 or 6cm stem (25.4, 225mm). I'm happy to 
 purchase or I have an 8cm, 26.0 for trade.

 Cheers, John

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[deepak atreya]

It’s 11 speed 42 t . Nexave rapid rise shifts it like dream in friction !

On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 15:25 Donzaemon  wrote:

> Nice build. BTW, what kind of cassette are you running?
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for your response . Shimano seems to be working out fine
>> for now . Will take it on a longer ride and report back . But quick spin
>> around the neighborhood looks like the new set up wide noodles with 5 mm
>> set and zero set back post is working well.
>> Here is the latest photos from the evening ride .
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 06:55 DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> I've used the standard Tektro RL340 levers for over 10 years, have had a
>>> bike with TRP RRLs for the past few years, and recently built a bike with
>>> the Shimanos.
>>>
>>> I've heard/read more than once that the Tektros are based on the
>>> Campagnolo brifter hood shape, with many citing the extra width vs Shimano
>>> hoods being more comfortable.
>>>
>>> The RRLs are similar to the standard Tektro levers but with some
>>> ergonomic changes (TRP is Tektro Racing Products, so the same company). I
>>> like them but they are a bit more modern and look better on a bike built to
>>> suit.
>>>
>>> With the Shimanos I was a little concerned going in that the narrower
>>> hoods might result in feeling more pressure. Thankfully that hasn't been
>>> the case but the bike I have them on has very little saddle to bar drop
>>> (48cm Noodles). The reach on the Shimanos is noticeably less due to the
>>> smaller body and that suits this bike / bar position as well. I don't have
>>> a lot of miles on them yet but so far like them at least as much as the
>>> other levers.
>>>
>>> Your mention of 52cm Noodles has me curious about the use of the bike?
>>> My drop bar mountain bike has the 52cm XL version of the Beacons that Jeff
>>> uses and I really like the width and shallow drop for leverage on trails,
>>> but that bike has the top of the bar above saddle height. On a more roadish
>>> bike like your Homer or the Pescadero I just rebuilt, the 48cm Noodles feel
>>> quite wide.
>>>
>>> When comparing to the Albatross keep in mind that the feel of the reach
>>> decreases when your hands are closer together. I find my preferred stem
>>> length for Albatross bars is 30-40mm longer then with drops, but that's for
>>> more standard width drops (42-44cm range). Wider drops tend to need to be
>>> set closer and higher.
>>>
>>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 10:37:43 PM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 For me, the big difference is whether or not I am riding in the drops
 or on the hoods.  For descents, I often will ride in the drops to reduce
 wind resistance and the TRP levers with the outward bend make it easier to
 brake while in the drops.  However, I find the Shimano levers more
 comfortable on the hoods.

 Nevertheless, I tend to ride more in the drops than the hoods, so TRPs
 are the winner for me.

 Toshi in Oakland

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Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Chris Halasz]

I have to wonder whether the increased cost per square area of the ever 
popular e-bike vs, say, a simple bike that most folks used to purchase for 
around town has improved the bottom line of many a bike ship. Of course, we 
also see the trend of big box bike brands buying out many a good local 
shop. 

I also have to wonder whether the increased complexity of disc-brake 
suspension e-bikes doesn't keep more bike mechanics busy, and busy with 
keeping up the high volume of technical change in the industry, whether 
electronic shifting or otherwise. 

All that said, the simplicity of the pre-electronic, pre-index shifting, 
pre-brifter configuration is so much of what appeals to me in a bike. I 
think the late Danny Kahneman and Amos Tversky identified that we humans 
prefer utility to value. Maybe that's why I like my Clem so much? 

Besides, don't we obsess enough over the simple stuff? Can't imagine the 
investment of time debating the details of a carbon electronic wonder 
gadget. Sheesh. 

- Chris 

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 3:38:54 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> I always appreciated solid designs, but definitively stepped off the train 
> in the late 90's. 
> I'd been reading GP's writings and spent a lot of time on Sheldon's site. 
> Slowly realizing that simple and dependable beat flashy and light every day 
> of the week. 
> I was riding a ton through a California El Nino winter, and the 
> combination of muddy trails and mileage had me grinding up drivetrains 
> about every month. Most of my disposable income was going to chains, 
> chainrings, and cassettes. All those shift-assisting bits and narrow/short 
> teeth just evaporated in those conditions. The only reason I switched to 
> XTR cranks was that the (ridiculously expensive) chainrings were about 3x 
> thicker than everything else. But --- ooof! -- when those had to be 
> replaced. ugh. 
> Then I came into possession of an MB1, took off all the shifty bits and 
> bought a BMX sprocket and a Surly tensioner. Those long, thick teeth on the 
> back wheel refused to grind down, and the chunky chainring worked fine no 
> matter how much grit got ground into it. 
> The penny dropped, and I embraced the simple drivetrain lifestyle. 
>
> Jim
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 10:17:33 AM UTC-7 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> please please please let it be an April-Fool's joke
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 1:09:04 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> SaaS -- Shifting-as-a-Service, and "your personal power assistant." I 
>>> love it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 10:41 AM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>
 To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine 
 Shifting-as-a-Service? New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge 
 you $10/month for 1,000 shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony 
 up $40/month for unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed 
 to 
 the latest Shimano E-Tube app 
 . 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Leah Peterson]

So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came through with the 1 in for me.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards apparently have almost no contact across the divide.-WesOn Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' passions turn out.Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a --- coating.One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  wrote:Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I always appreciated solid designs, but definitively stepped off the train 
in the late 90's. 
I'd been reading GP's writings and spent a lot of time on Sheldon's site. 
Slowly realizing that simple and dependable beat flashy and light every day 
of the week. 
I was riding a ton through a California El Nino winter, and the combination 
of muddy trails and mileage had me grinding up drivetrains about every 
month. Most of my disposable income was going to chains, chainrings, and 
cassettes. All those shift-assisting bits and narrow/short teeth just 
evaporated in those conditions. The only reason I switched to XTR cranks 
was that the (ridiculously expensive) chainrings were about 3x thicker than 
everything else. But --- ooof! -- when those had to be replaced. ugh. 
Then I came into possession of an MB1, took off all the shifty bits and 
bought a BMX sprocket and a Surly tensioner. Those long, thick teeth on the 
back wheel refused to grind down, and the chunky chainring worked fine no 
matter how much grit got ground into it. 
The penny dropped, and I embraced the simple drivetrain lifestyle. 

Jim

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 10:17:33 AM UTC-7 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> please please please let it be an April-Fool's joke
>
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 1:09:04 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> SaaS -- Shifting-as-a-Service, and "your personal power assistant." I 
>> love it.
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 10:41 AM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine 
>>> Shifting-as-a-Service? New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge 
>>> you $10/month for 1,000 shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony 
>>> up $40/month for unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed to 
>>> the latest Shimano E-Tube app 
>>> . 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Donzaemon]

Nice build. BTW, what kind of cassette are you running? 

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone for your response . Shimano seems to be working out fine 
> for now . Will take it on a longer ride and report back . But quick spin 
> around the neighborhood looks like the new set up wide noodles with 5 mm 
> set and zero set back post is working well.  
> Here is the latest photos from the evening ride .
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 06:55 DavidP  wrote:
>
>> I've used the standard Tektro RL340 levers for over 10 years, have had a 
>> bike with TRP RRLs for the past few years, and recently built a bike with 
>> the Shimanos.
>>
>> I've heard/read more than once that the Tektros are based on the 
>> Campagnolo brifter hood shape, with many citing the extra width vs Shimano 
>> hoods being more comfortable.
>>
>> The RRLs are similar to the standard Tektro levers but with some 
>> ergonomic changes (TRP is Tektro Racing Products, so the same company). I 
>> like them but they are a bit more modern and look better on a bike built to 
>> suit.
>>
>> With the Shimanos I was a little concerned going in that the narrower 
>> hoods might result in feeling more pressure. Thankfully that hasn't been 
>> the case but the bike I have them on has very little saddle to bar drop 
>> (48cm Noodles). The reach on the Shimanos is noticeably less due to the 
>> smaller body and that suits this bike / bar position as well. I don't have 
>> a lot of miles on them yet but so far like them at least as much as the 
>> other levers.
>>
>> Your mention of 52cm Noodles has me curious about the use of the bike? My 
>> drop bar mountain bike has the 52cm XL version of the Beacons that Jeff 
>> uses and I really like the width and shallow drop for leverage on trails, 
>> but that bike has the top of the bar above saddle height. On a more roadish 
>> bike like your Homer or the Pescadero I just rebuilt, the 48cm Noodles feel 
>> quite wide.
>>
>> When comparing to the Albatross keep in mind that the feel of the reach 
>> decreases when your hands are closer together. I find my preferred stem 
>> length for Albatross bars is 30-40mm longer then with drops, but that's for 
>> more standard width drops (42-44cm range). Wider drops tend to need to be 
>> set closer and higher.
>>
>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 10:37:43 PM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> For me, the big difference is whether or not I am riding in the drops or 
>>> on the hoods.  For descents, I often will ride in the drops to reduce wind 
>>> resistance and the TRP levers with the outward bend make it easier to brake 
>>> while in the drops.  However, I find the Shimano levers more comfortable on 
>>> the hoods.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I tend to ride more in the drops than the hoods, so TRPs 
>>> are the winner for me.
>>>
>>> Toshi in Oakland
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[reynoldslugs]

Darn, I wish I'd had this knowledge 20 years ago when I got my Heron.  I 
still have it, pinched ears and slipping seat post and all.

It's still a nice bike, I converted to a 650 runabout-town bike a few years 
ago.  But that seat post slippage and busted binder bolt routine was kind 
of a pain.  

in its current iteration: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157642068014924/

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 11:25:49 AM UTC-7 Zac wrote:

> Thank you all for the helpful comments. This bike is fairly new to me, but 
> it does look like the ears at the top of the seat tube are slightly 
> pinched, and the previous owner was using a smaller seat post size. I'll 
> see if I can carefully pry it open for a 27.2 seat post.
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 8:52:53 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I had a severaL great / memorable years working for RS in south central 
>> WI. A time and place for everything, right? 
>>
>> Can confirm some WF issues with seatpins...of course, always smart to 
>> keep some old beer can shims handy. And when they're too tight, not so 
>> desirable—really scuffs up an otherwise beautiful (and $$$) Nitto bit. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:25 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:19:16 PM UTC-5 Zac wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm? 
>>>
>>> All of the ones made under my watch were 27.2 nominally, but the W'ford 
>>> reamer was a bit out of spec and some of them needed 27.4 posts to keep 
>>> from slipping. I'm pretty sure the 27.2 spec stayed through the Todd Kuzma 
>>> era.
>>>
>>> The "ears" on the Heron seat clusters will bend inward if the seat post 
>>> bolt is over-tightened, which it has to be if you have one of the 27.4 
>>> frames. I ended up breaking a seat post bolt because of that. 
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Corwin Zechar]

I'm 6'0", 200 lbs. Both the RRls and Shimano Tiagra (and similar Shimano 
levers) work very well for me.

I find the distinction to be more in the areas of reliablility, ease of 
setup, and usability than comfort. Although I ride in a more "aerodynamic" 
posture than most on this list, the feel of both levers in my hands is not 
significantly different.

Regards,

Corwin
On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:58:26 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks, 
> Want to give drop bars one more time on my homer. 
>
>  Long background and context , I had drop bars set up TRP RRL but never 
> got comfortable . But I think it had do more with the reach. I had around 
> set back and 7 cm stem . Also I have short torso and long legs. I am 5'8.5 
> but have pbh of 86.5 . Out of curosity I tried Knee over pedal spindle with 
> plumb bob. On my homer I had to set it up with zero set back and push 
> saddle forward. ( interestingly same thing on my Atlantis translates to 
> around 20 mm set back , didn't realize .5 degree change in seat tube could 
> make such difference ). More importantly with  this saddle position it 
> feels like my reach has significantly increased. I can comfortably reach 6 
> -7 cm beyond hooks of albatross set up on 100 mm Nitto faceplater. So I am 
> thinking of trying 52 cm noodles with 7cm stem. 
>
> I like aesthetics of Shimano better than RRL . So folks who have used 
> both? Is there a difference in performance and comfort , to make the 
> upgrade worth it. Also looks like ramps on RRL are longer, does it add to 
> the reach? . My priority is in the following order 1. Comfort 2. Braking 
> performance 3. Asthetics 4. Price. 
>
> I would really appreciate your experience and insights. Happy weekend !
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[Zac]

Thank you all for the helpful comments. This bike is fairly new to me, but 
it does look like the ears at the top of the seat tube are slightly 
pinched, and the previous owner was using a smaller seat post size. I'll 
see if I can carefully pry it open for a 27.2 seat post.

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 8:52:53 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:

> I had a severaL great / memorable years working for RS in south central 
> WI. A time and place for everything, right? 
>
> Can confirm some WF issues with seatpins...of course, always smart to keep 
> some old beer can shims handy. And when they're too tight, not so 
> desirable—really scuffs up an otherwise beautiful (and $$$) Nitto bit. 
>
> Jock
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:25 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:19:16 PM UTC-5 Zac wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm? 
>>
>> All of the ones made under my watch were 27.2 nominally, but the W'ford 
>> reamer was a bit out of spec and some of them needed 27.4 posts to keep 
>> from slipping. I'm pretty sure the 27.2 spec stayed through the Todd Kuzma 
>> era.
>>
>> The "ears" on the Heron seat clusters will bend inward if the seat post 
>> bolt is over-tightened, which it has to be if you have one of the 27.4 
>> frames. I ended up breaking a seat post bolt because of that. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Mathias Steiner]

please please please let it be an April-Fool's joke


On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 1:09:04 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> SaaS -- Shifting-as-a-Service, and "your personal power assistant." I love 
> it.
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 10:41 AM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine 
>> Shifting-as-a-Service? New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge 
>> you $10/month for 1,000 shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony 
>> up $40/month for unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed to 
>> the latest Shimano E-Tube app 
>> . 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[jamin orrall]

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7747080470.html

Clem smith frame in Petaluma, CA $1,100

(no affiliation)
On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 9:58:48 AM UTC-7 P W wrote:

> Damn. That’s my size and I’ve always wanted one in that color.
>
> But I committed to a Roaduno and funds are tight…
>
> What to do!?
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Hans Erickson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> 58cm Hunqapillar ($1,250) on Albuquerque CL. Not mine, and too big for me.
>
>
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-hunqapillar/7749163041.html
>
> -Hans in Albuquerque
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300): 
>>
>>
>> https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Max Faingezicht]

I wouldn’t sweat it. I’m pretty sure I saw commentary on that same bike on the fb group and I believe it’s goneMaxOn May 24, 2024, at 12:58 PM, P W  wrote:Damn. That’s my size and I’ve always wanted one in that color.But I committed to a Roaduno and funds are tight…What to do!?P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 24, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Hans Erickson  wrote:58cm Hunqapillar ($1,250) on Albuquerque CL. Not mine, and too big for me.https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-hunqapillar/7749163041.html-Hans in AlbuquerqueOn Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Chris Halasz wrote:Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300): https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html



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Re: [RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Patrick Moore]

SaaS -- Shifting-as-a-Service, and "your personal power assistant." I love
it.

On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 10:41 AM Robert Calton  wrote:

> To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine Shifting-as-a-Service?
> New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge you $10/month for 1,000
> shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony up $40/month for
> unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed to the latest Shimano
> E-Tube app .

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[P W]

Damn. That’s my size and I’ve always wanted one in that color.But I committed to a Roaduno and funds are tight…What to do!?P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 24, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Hans Erickson  wrote:58cm Hunqapillar ($1,250) on Albuquerque CL. Not mine, and too big for me.https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-hunqapillar/7749163041.html-Hans in AlbuquerqueOn Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Chris Halasz wrote:Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300): https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html



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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Robert Calton]

To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine Shifting-as-a-Service? 
New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge you $10/month for 1,000 
shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony up $40/month for 
unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed to the latest Shimano 
E-Tube app . 

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 12:31:29 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the 
> extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades 
> ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the 
> pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our 
> society became more and more technologically insatiable, electronic 
> groupsets blew up in the early 2000's...then folks decided *wireless* 
> groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first 
> iPad). Our wireless, digital, always-connected world had to permeate all 
> aspects of our life -- at least *all* companies did a good job marketing 
> that to us. 
>
> The video makes a good callout with the "Tesla-fication" of cars. Not just 
> EVs, but now we see full ICE cars with giant touchscreens that nestle basic 
> climate controls and radio features behind menus. Cars have over-the-air 
> updates like our smartphones. We continue to pay monthly subscriptions to 
> use features on the cars we own that the manufacturers say should be 
> as-a-service. We're starting to see this with bikes, but on the other side 
> we're also seeing a proliferation of small independent bike shops who rehab 
> older frames with quality new parts and sell those bikes instead of the 
> latest big-box arguments of how bikes should be. The good news is that the 
> pendulum is starting to swing the other way. 
>
> Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
>> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
>> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
>> and appreciate his thoughts.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Hans Erickson]

58cm Hunqapillar ($1,250) on Albuquerque CL. Not mine, and too big for me.

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-hunqapillar/7749163041.html

-Hans in Albuquerque

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:14:15 PM UTC-6 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Nice 58cm bullmoose'd Nitto racked mustard Homer in Modesto ($2300): 
>
>
> https://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/d/modesto-rivendell-homer-hilson/7748616636.html
>
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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Robert Calton]

My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the 
extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades 
ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the 
pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our 
society became more and more technologically insatiable, electronic 
groupsets blew up in the early 2000's...then folks decided *wireless* 
groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first 
iPad). Our wireless, digital, always-connected world had to permeate all 
aspects of our life -- at least *all* companies did a good job marketing 
that to us. 

The video makes a good callout with the "Tesla-fication" of cars. Not just 
EVs, but now we see full ICE cars with giant touchscreens that nestle basic 
climate controls and radio features behind menus. Cars have over-the-air 
updates like our smartphones. We continue to pay monthly subscriptions to 
use features on the cars we own that the manufacturers say should be 
as-a-service. We're starting to see this with bikes, but on the other side 
we're also seeing a proliferation of small independent bike shops who rehab 
older frames with quality new parts and sell those bikes instead of the 
latest big-box arguments of how bikes should be. The good news is that the 
pendulum is starting to swing the other way. 

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 
On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
> and appreciate his thoughts.
> Randy in WI
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[John Dewey]

I had a severaL great / memorable years working for RS in south central WI.
A time and place for everything, right?

Can confirm some WF issues with seatpins...of course, always smart to keep
some old beer can shims handy. And when they're too tight, not so
desirable—really scuffs up an otherwise beautiful (and $$$) Nitto bit.

Jock



On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:25 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:19:16 PM UTC-5 Zac wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm?
>
> All of the ones made under my watch were 27.2 nominally, but the W'ford
> reamer was a bit out of spec and some of them needed 27.4 posts to keep
> from slipping. I'm pretty sure the 27.2 spec stayed through the Todd Kuzma
> era.
>
> The "ears" on the Heron seat clusters will bend inward if the seat post
> bolt is over-tightened, which it has to be if you have one of the 27.4
> frames. I ended up breaking a seat post bolt because of that.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Track Supermarket

[reeb]

glad to hear they're still around. they were well talked about in the 
aughts during the keirin + track hype days. 

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 11:30:59 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> A shout out for a new vendor to me, Track Supermarket. I was looking for a 
> stem for my new Sam and wanted a face-plater with a 26.0 clamp and no extra 
> quill. Browsing the Nitto catalog (you do have a Nitto catalog handy, 
> right?) I found the UI-2 quill version, which was just what I was looking 
> for. I found it available for $50 at Track Supermarket, who are located in 
> Tokyo. I ordered it three days ago. It arrived via FedEx today. Shipping 
> cost was $15.50. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Wesley]

You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
-Wes
On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>
> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
> passions turn out.
>
> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
> --- coating.
>
> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus Cerakote: 
> Which is better for your AR15?"
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
> wrote:
>
>> Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
>> interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[Ted Durant]

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:19:16 PM UTC-5 Zac wrote:

Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm? 

All of the ones made under my watch were 27.2 nominally, but the W'ford 
reamer was a bit out of spec and some of them needed 27.4 posts to keep 
from slipping. I'm pretty sure the 27.2 spec stayed through the Todd Kuzma 
era.

The "ears" on the Heron seat clusters will bend inward if the seat post 
bolt is over-tightened, which it has to be if you have one of the 27.4 
frames. I ended up breaking a seat post bolt because of that. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2019 55 CM Atlantis for Sale

[Kim H.]

 @ Deepak, 
You are more than welcome.

Kim Hetzel.

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 11:03:14 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Kim ! I will upload additional pics tomorrow 
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 21:42 Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @ Deepak,
>>
>> Some pictures of the drive side of the bicycle would help with the sale. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:15:44 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>> A week ago I put the frame only for sale to see if I could fund a Sam. 
>>> Fortunately another bike has come my way and I am selling the entire bike. 
>>> It is in excellent condition and may be minor scratches barely visible to 
>>> naked eyes. I could spot only one and my camera had tough time focusing on 
>>> it! 
>>>
>>> Its been built with premium components , Paul levers, Moto lite , Paul 
>>> skewers. It has quill wheels with onyx hub built by Rich. I can't recommend 
>>> these hubs enough!. The brooks b68 saddle on it is brand new (less than 10 
>>> miles ).  Everything on bike can go except for bells and lights . 
>>>
>>> I am asking $3500 and buyer can arrange shipping with a local bike shop. 
>>> I believe this is a great deal.  I am based out of east bay and would 
>>> prefer local sale. 
>>>
>>> Links to the photo below. 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/194400486@N07/96AS68M194
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2019 55 CM Atlantis for Sale

[deepak atreya]

Updated with additional pics.

On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 23:02 deepak atreya  wrote:

> Thanks Kim ! I will upload additional pics tomorrow
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 21:42 Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @ Deepak,
>>
>> Some pictures of the drive side of the bicycle would help with the sale.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:15:44 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>> A week ago I put the frame only for sale to see if I could fund a Sam.
>>> Fortunately another bike has come my way and I am selling the entire bike.
>>> It is in excellent condition and may be minor scratches barely visible to
>>> naked eyes. I could spot only one and my camera had tough time focusing on
>>> it!
>>>
>>> Its been built with premium components , Paul levers, Moto lite , Paul
>>> skewers. It has quill wheels with onyx hub built by Rich. I can't recommend
>>> these hubs enough!. The brooks b68 saddle on it is brand new (less than 10
>>> miles ).  Everything on bike can go except for bells and lights .
>>>
>>> I am asking $3500 and buyer can arrange shipping with a local bike shop.
>>> I believe this is a great deal.  I am based out of east bay and would
>>> prefer local sale.
>>>
>>> Links to the photo below.
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/194400486@N07/96AS68M194
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2019 55 CM Atlantis for Sale

[deepak atreya]

Thanks Kim ! I will upload additional pics tomorrow

On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 21:42 Kim H.  wrote:

> @ Deepak,
>
> Some pictures of the drive side of the bicycle would help with the sale.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:15:44 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>> A week ago I put the frame only for sale to see if I could fund a Sam.
>> Fortunately another bike has come my way and I am selling the entire bike.
>> It is in excellent condition and may be minor scratches barely visible to
>> naked eyes. I could spot only one and my camera had tough time focusing on
>> it!
>>
>> Its been built with premium components , Paul levers, Moto lite , Paul
>> skewers. It has quill wheels with onyx hub built by Rich. I can't recommend
>> these hubs enough!. The brooks b68 saddle on it is brand new (less than 10
>> miles ).  Everything on bike can go except for bells and lights .
>>
>> I am asking $3500 and buyer can arrange shipping with a local bike shop.
>> I believe this is a great deal.  I am based out of east bay and would
>> prefer local sale.
>>
>> Links to the photo below.
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/194400486@N07/96AS68M194
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 2019 55 CM Atlantis for Sale

[Kim H.]

@ Deepak,

Some pictures of the drive side of the bicycle would help with the sale. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:15:44 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks,
> A week ago I put the frame only for sale to see if I could fund a Sam. 
> Fortunately another bike has come my way and I am selling the entire bike. 
> It is in excellent condition and may be minor scratches barely visible to 
> naked eyes. I could spot only one and my camera had tough time focusing on 
> it! 
>
> Its been built with premium components , Paul levers, Moto lite , Paul 
> skewers. It has quill wheels with onyx hub built by Rich. I can't recommend 
> these hubs enough!. The brooks b68 saddle on it is brand new (less than 10 
> miles ).  Everything on bike can go except for bells and lights . 
>
> I am asking $3500 and buyer can arrange shipping with a local bike shop. I 
> believe this is a great deal.  I am based out of east bay and would prefer 
> local sale. 
>
> Links to the photo below. 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/194400486@N07/96AS68M194
>
> Let me know if you have any questions. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Andrew.

On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 5:10 PM Andrew Joseph 
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Thank you!
>
> Those little contraptions are actually called “Cable Cherries.”  They are
> easily installed and tightened via a 1.5 mm hex.  They are quite fun, come
> in some great colors and are available from Forager Cycles, and Paul, among
> others.  See below for the description from Forager…
>
> “The Cable Cherries are durable, reusable cable ends with a huge grip - no
> more crimps wiggling off leaving a frayed, pokey end! The easy-to-grab
> sphere shape makes adjusting cable tension or swapping components simple.
> Tape the included 1.5mm hex key to your tire lever, and you’re set!
>
> Easily grab the sphere to snug up your cable tension. Take them on and off
> as much as you need with the included 1.5mm hex key & set screw. The Cable
> Cherries are CNC machined in Oakland, CA on the same equipment that makes
> surgical pins & screws. Get 'em tight, and have 'em for life.”
> The saddle is a Berthoud Galibier.  A bit more narrow (and Ti rails) than
> their normal offerings.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Best,
>
> Drew
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 23, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Andrew: nice. Pray, what is the little orange globular cable end -- I
> guess I really mean, how is it designed and how does it clamp to the cable
> -- and where do you get them?
>
> And, what is the saddle? Brooks Swift? Or trimmed Pro? Or another marque?
>
> Patrick Moore, ruthlessly bottom-trimming and wondering what to do with
> the very, very nice -- thick leather! -- as-new B17N that he got recently
> for ~$47 + shipping.
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 4:50 PM Andrew Joseph 
> wrote:
>
>> Better photos…
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[Andrew Joseph]

Patrick,Thank you!  Those little contraptions are actually called “Cable Cherries.”  They are easily installed and tightened via a 1.5 mm hex.  They are quite fun, come in some great colors and are available from Forager Cycles, and Paul, among others.  See below for the description from Forager…“The Cable Cherries are durable, reusable cable ends with a huge grip - no more crimps wiggling off leaving a frayed, pokey end! The easy-to-grab sphere shape makes adjusting cable tension or swapping components simple. Tape the included 1.5mm hex key to your tire lever, and you’re set!Easily grab the sphere to snug up your cable tension. Take them on and off as much as you need with the included 1.5mm hex key & set screw. The Cable Cherries are CNC machined in Oakland, CA on the same equipment that makes surgical pins & screws. Get 'em tight, and have 'em for life.”The saddle is a Berthoud Galibier.  A bit more narrow (and Ti rails) than their normal offerings.Hope this is helpful.Best,DrewSent from my iPhoneOn May 23, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Andrew: nice. Pray, what is the little orange globular cable end -- I guess I really mean, how is it designed and how does it clamp to the cable -- and where do you get them?And, what is the saddle? Brooks Swift? Or trimmed Pro? Or another marque?Patrick Moore, ruthlessly bottom-trimming and wondering what to do with the very, very nice -- thick leather! -- as-new B17N that he got recently for ~$47 + shipping.On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 4:50 PM Andrew Joseph  wrote:Better photos…Sent from my iPhone



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