[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[ian m]

I used the White Ind Eno chainring on a 1x9 MTB setup (XTR rear der.) for a 
couple years and never dropped a chain

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4, Matt P. wrote:
>
> dstein:
> I will be curious to know whether you have any problems with dropping the 
> chain using that White Industries chainring in your 1x10 setup.  The 
> manufacturer says it's only for single speed gearing, not 1x, and those 
> teeth look awfully short compared to the teeth on something like a Wolf 
> Tooth chainring.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

Looking good! The extender thingy is called a Goatlink,made by Wolftooth. 
It's supposed to help with cassette life and smoother shifting, even if you 
don't actually need it. Also regarding Matt P's wondering about the WI 
ring, I've heard that clutch derailers alone can be fine for keeping the 
chain on.

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 3:43:45 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Just got finished setting up my Hunqapillar for 1x10 with a White 
> Industries Eno 42t,11-42 sunrace cassette, and my existing 9 speed dura ace 
> shifters (friction). Should give a 26-99" gear inch range. Haven't really 
> ridden outside of a short neighborhood jaunt, but so far so good. A few 
> build notes and issues: 
>
> 1. I used the existing bottom bracket (I recently started a bottom bracket 
> thread). White ind. calls for 113mm, Riv said it was likely there was a 107 
> or 110 in there. Tried it out and got enough clearance so kept it. 
> Chainline isn't quite centered for the middle of the rear cassette, a tad 
> off. 
> 2. There wasn't quite enough clearance for the Shimano XT Shadow Plus 
> RD-M786 dearilleur so I had the LBS add an extender thingy (there was a 
> proper name for this but i'm not sure what it was)
> 3. we needed more clearance on the bar end pod to shift (more in the up 
> position) so the LBS cut away at it a little bit
> 4. Hank and Frank's on College Ave in Oakland is awesome. There's a guy 
> Benji there that has been helping me with my half baked projects with parts 
> scoured from all over the web. I never get any flak. They're quick (same 
> day or next in most scenarios), and cheap (i owe them some beers or tips or 
> something). I feel like most other bike shops are judgemental of my dubious 
> home mechanic skills, weird bikes and parts, and they also always seem to 
> have a week or two long wait. Just a shout out. 
>
> After all that seems to be running great.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Matt P.]

dstein:
I will be curious to know whether you have any problems with dropping the 
chain using that White Industries chainring in your 1x10 setup.  The 
manufacturer says it's only for single speed gearing, not 1x, and those 
teeth look awfully short compared to the teeth on something like a Wolf 
Tooth chainring.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[dstein]

Forgot the pics link: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B085idkMwoZhdk


On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 3:43:45 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Just got finished setting up my Hunqapillar for 1x10 with a White 
> Industries Eno 42t,11-42 sunrace cassette, and my existing 9 speed dura ace 
> shifters (friction). Should give a 26-99" gear inch range. Haven't really 
> ridden outside of a short neighborhood jaunt, but so far so good. A few 
> build notes and issues: 
>
> 1. I used the existing bottom bracket (I recently started a bottom bracket 
> thread). White ind. calls for 113mm, Riv said it was likely there was a 107 
> or 110 in there. Tried it out and got enough clearance so kept it. 
> Chainline isn't quite centered for the middle of the rear cassette, a tad 
> off. 
> 2. There wasn't quite enough clearance for the Shimano XT Shadow Plus 
> RD-M786 dearilleur so I had the LBS add an extender thingy (there was a 
> proper name for this but i'm not sure what it was)
> 3. we needed more clearance on the bar end pod to shift (more in the up 
> position) so the LBS cut away at it a little bit
> 4. Hank and Frank's on College Ave in Oakland is awesome. There's a guy 
> Benji there that has been helping me with my half baked projects with parts 
> scoured from all over the web. I never get any flak. They're quick (same 
> day or next in most scenarios), and cheap (i owe them some beers or tips or 
> something). I feel like most other bike shops are judgemental of my dubious 
> home mechanic skills, weird bikes and parts, and they also always seem to 
> have a week or two long wait. Just a shout out. 
>
> After all that seems to be running great.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[dstein]

Just got finished setting up my Hunqapillar for 1x10 with a White 
Industries Eno 42t,11-42 sunrace cassette, and my existing 9 speed dura ace 
shifters (friction). Should give a 26-99" gear inch range. Haven't really 
ridden outside of a short neighborhood jaunt, but so far so good. A few 
build notes and issues: 

1. I used the existing bottom bracket (I recently started a bottom bracket 
thread). White ind. calls for 113mm, Riv said it was likely there was a 107 
or 110 in there. Tried it out and got enough clearance so kept it. 
Chainline isn't quite centered for the middle of the rear cassette, a tad 
off. 
2. There wasn't quite enough clearance for the Shimano XT Shadow Plus 
RD-M786 dearilleur so I had the LBS add an extender thingy (there was a 
proper name for this but i'm not sure what it was)
3. we needed more clearance on the bar end pod to shift (more in the up 
position) so the LBS cut away at it a little bit
4. Hank and Frank's on College Ave in Oakland is awesome. There's a guy 
Benji there that has been helping me with my half baked projects with parts 
scoured from all over the web. I never get any flak. They're quick (same 
day or next in most scenarios), and cheap (i owe them some beers or tips or 
something). I feel like most other bike shops are judgemental of my dubious 
home mechanic skills, weird bikes and parts, and they also always seem to 
have a week or two long wait. Just a shout out. 

After all that seems to be running great.


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Patrick Moore]

I agree; I was just pointing out that the pros have a real use for those
big gears. Me, mine top out at 90" max and usually less.



On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Try it some time. Under the right conditions, you may feel yourself
> accelerate when you stop pedaling. Pros know that feeling, and you'll see
> them coasting some times, too.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Ron Mc]

Try it some time. Under the right conditions, you may feel yourself accelerate 
when you stop pedaling. Pros know that feeling, and you'll see them coasting 
some times, too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Patrick Moore]

Though I suppose that a high wattage pro rider can power him/herself faster
down hill in a very big gear than he/she can coast, right? You certainly
see pros in the big ring/small cogs on downhills, even if only to get back
up to speed. I assume that, if you are strong enough and motivated enough,
there is a real reason for a 53X11?

Patrick "not that it matters to me" Moore, coasting above 25 mph in abq, nm.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> You actually can be faster coasting downhill than by pedaling at your spin
> limit.  Your hub pawl friction losses are usually lower than the total
> friction losses in your drivetrain.
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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Ron Mc]

You actually can be faster coasting downhill than by pedaling at your spin 
limit.  Your hub pawl friction losses are usually lower than the total 
friction losses in your drivetrain.  

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Are you using a regular chainring?  I have a "narrow-wide" chainring, which 
means the teeth alternate between narrow and wide, just like the spaces in 
a bicycle chain.  I don't run a clutch derailleur and I've never lost my 
chain, although I don't do a lot of rough and tumble riding.  Many 
companies make these chainrings.  Mine is a 34t RaceFace.  SRAM 11-28 
9-speed cassette, Deore R. Derailleur.



On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 6:36:57 PM UTC-5, Matt P. wrote:
>
> I tried a Rohloff once on a test ride.  After lots of "internet research", 
> I was convinced that the Rohloff was going to be awesomethe real life 
> experience didn't live up to the hype.  The shifts were not very smooth, 
> certainly not worth the expense and extra weight.
>
> I am currently using a 1x8 set-up on my Hunqapillar.  It is geared with a 
> 34-tooth chainring and a 12-32 cassette.  Seems to work well for me in 
> hilly San Diego, though it does spin out on some downhills, in which case I 
> just coast.
>
> The one problem I used to have was losing the chain to the outside of the 
> chainring when shifting to the higher gears.  Solved this by installing a 
> bashguard where my big chainring used to be, and I also installed an N-gear 
> Jump Stop to eliminate the chance of dropping the chain to the inside.
>
> I have noticed that Sram seems to be putting out some new technologies for 
> the 1x systems, such as chainrings with longer teeth to eliminate chain 
> drops, and a rear derailleur that is designed to eliminate derailleur 
> bounce and chain slap.  Has anyone tried out any of this new Sram 1x stuff?
> https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/1x-technologies
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Patrick Moore]

Years of fixed gear riding have made me largely indifferent to high gears,
so that even my derailleur bikes top out in the mid 80 inches -- top end
(and low end) sacrificed for close ratios in the middle; an ideal gear
pattern gives me ~5" jumps between 80" and 50", and the rest is gravy.

FWIW, I've hit 37 in a 75" fixed gear (46/15 X 24.5"), and 46 in a 96"
derailleur (48/12 X 24") gear (both at the bottom of hills; the 46 while
chasing an upstart Land Rover). OTOH, maximum lifetime whoo hoo top speed
was 50 mph, downhill and eastbound, with a howling, raging westerly, on a
mountain bike, coasting. On the preceeding uphill I was pacing a stray
cardboard box at ~ 20 mph.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Mike in WA  wrote:

> +1 on the coasting downhills approach. It's pretty amazing how close to
> top-speed (AKA "fast enough") you can get when you tuck in your knees and
> elbows, get down good and low and just let gravity do the work. My days of
> riding 110+ gear-inch bikes to go 35 mph on steep descents for 1% of my
> mileage are over! I continue to be impressed by how much easier climbing is
> when you don't have to think about shifting at all, it's just "easier or
> harder?".
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

+1 on the coasting downhills approach. It's pretty amazing how close to 
top-speed (AKA "fast enough") you can get when you tuck in your knees and 
elbows, get down good and low and just let gravity do the work. My days of 
riding 110+ gear-inch bikes to go 35 mph on steep descents for 1% of my 
mileage are over! I continue to be impressed by how much easier climbing is 
when you don't have to think about shifting at all, it's just "easier or 
harder?". 

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:36:57 PM UTC-7, Matt P. wrote:
>
> I tried a Rohloff once on a test ride.  After lots of "internet research", 
> I was convinced that the Rohloff was going to be awesomethe real life 
> experience didn't live up to the hype.  The shifts were not very smooth, 
> certainly not worth the expense and extra weight.
>
> I am currently using a 1x8 set-up on my Hunqapillar.  It is geared with a 
> 34-tooth chainring and a 12-32 cassette.  Seems to work well for me in 
> hilly San Diego, though it does spin out on some downhills, in which case I 
> just coast.
>
> The one problem I used to have was losing the chain to the outside of the 
> chainring when shifting to the higher gears.  Solved this by installing a 
> bashguard where my big chainring used to be, and I also installed an N-gear 
> Jump Stop to eliminate the chance of dropping the chain to the inside.
>
> I have noticed that Sram seems to be putting out some new technologies for 
> the 1x systems, such as chainrings with longer teeth to eliminate chain 
> drops, and a rear derailleur that is designed to eliminate derailleur 
> bounce and chain slap.  Has anyone tried out any of this new Sram 1x stuff?
> https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/1x-technologies
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Matt P.]

I tried a Rohloff once on a test ride.  After lots of "internet research", 
I was convinced that the Rohloff was going to be awesomethe real life 
experience didn't live up to the hype.  The shifts were not very smooth, 
certainly not worth the expense and extra weight.

I am currently using a 1x8 set-up on my Hunqapillar.  It is geared with a 
34-tooth chainring and a 12-32 cassette.  Seems to work well for me in 
hilly San Diego, though it does spin out on some downhills, in which case I 
just coast.

The one problem I used to have was losing the chain to the outside of the 
chainring when shifting to the higher gears.  Solved this by installing a 
bashguard where my big chainring used to be, and I also installed an N-gear 
Jump Stop to eliminate the chance of dropping the chain to the inside.

I have noticed that Sram seems to be putting out some new technologies for 
the 1x systems, such as chainrings with longer teeth to eliminate chain 
drops, and a rear derailleur that is designed to eliminate derailleur 
bounce and chain slap.  Has anyone tried out any of this new Sram 1x stuff?
https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/1x-technologies

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Hugh Smitham]

Phillip,

Yes I agree. And I've been considering a Rohloff. There are some downsides
to a Rohloff as with all things. Off the top of my head 1. Weight in the
rear. 2. Bar and shifter combo issues. 3. Expensive (which we have sort of
covered)

~Hugh

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> At that point wouldn't you want to just spend a hundred dollars more for a
> Rohloff? Just looking at the 1x12 SRAM prices, $420 for the cassette which
> is a quick wearing component seems steep. Even their driver body is almost
> $100 alone.
>
> Rohloff would have more gears, weather sealing, and would last longer
> right?
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I'm coming around to the merits of a 1xn drive. I believe on my custom
>> I'll be going with a 1x11, I'd love to go 1x12 but Sram is the only game in
>> town at the moment (and the price is prohibitive) if my memory serves me
>> and I sort of favor Shimano. Why? Just a preference. My custom won't be
>> ready till 2017 so Shimano has some time to get on the ball.
>>
>> You're Jones plus is indeed a sweet ride. I think Jeff has really figured
>> out a lot in terms of geometry and the truss fork looks so cool.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain
>>> on my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to
>>> a bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my
>>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch
>>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb
>>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having
>>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made
>>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps
>>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I
>>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I
>>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before.
>>>
>>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use
>>> mountain bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear
>>> range. This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I
>>> haven't had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the
>>> ease and improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at
>>> climbing instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work!
>>> If you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double
>>> or triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and
>>> unnecessary, IMO.
>>>
>>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list
>>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup
>>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people
>>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be
>>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to
>>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With
>>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be
>>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that
>>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction
>>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed
>>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>>
>>> Here's the bike 
>>>
>>> Over and out.
>>>
>>> Mike in WA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Philip Kim]

At that point wouldn't you want to just spend a hundred dollars more for a 
Rohloff? Just looking at the 1x12 SRAM prices, $420 for the cassette which 
is a quick wearing component seems steep. Even their driver body is almost 
$100 alone.

Rohloff would have more gears, weather sealing, and would last longer right?


On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 1:08:46 PM UTC-4, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I'm coming around to the merits of a 1xn drive. I believe on my custom 
> I'll be going with a 1x11, I'd love to go 1x12 but Sram is the only game in 
> town at the moment (and the price is prohibitive) if my memory serves me 
> and I sort of favor Shimano. Why? Just a preference. My custom won't be 
> ready till 2017 so Shimano has some time to get on the ball. 
>
> You're Jones plus is indeed a sweet ride. I think Jeff has really figured 
> out a lot in terms of geometry and the truss fork looks so cool. 
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Mike,

I'm coming around to the merits of a 1xn drive. I believe on my custom I'll 
be going with a 1x11, I'd love to go 1x12 but Sram is the only game in town 
at the moment (and the price is prohibitive) if my memory serves me and I 
sort of favor Shimano. Why? Just a preference. My custom won't be ready 
till 2017 so Shimano has some time to get on the ball. 

You're Jones plus is indeed a sweet ride. I think Jeff has really figured 
out a lot in terms of geometry and the truss fork looks so cool. 

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[stoker]

You are correct - I was lobbing out the term 'crazy low' to describe a Q 
factor that is narrow compared to 2016 normal. It measures 134mm. 

On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It's probably not really "crazy low Q", by your definition, but it is 
> probably a good 10mm narrower than your XD2.  While stoker is running the 
> 110mm BCD early 90s version of the Sugino/Ritchey cranks, I'm running the 
> mid 90s 94mm BCD version on two bikes.  Both are run as a double and both 
> are on 103mm ISO taper BBs.  I'd have to measure to provide you the exact 
> number you requested, but it's in the 145mm range.  It's not as narrow as a 
> Compass Rene Herse or an old TA, but it is narrow in comparison to just 
> about anything else that is current.  
>
> According to my photo-notes, I was getting a Q-Factor of 155mm when I used 
> a 113mm JIS-Taper BB with the same crankset, set up as a triple.  To first 
> order going from 113 to 103 sucks 10mm from that, and going from JIS to ISO 
> drops another 4mm or so.  So the setups I have now might be as low as 
> 141mm.  Not crazy low in my book but a lot narrower than normal in 2016.  
>
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 9:28:34 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> That is very nice! I'd ride that!
>>
>> What exactly is the Q for the Logic crank on the 103 mm bb? I wonder if a 
>> Logic would save Q over the XD2 that I presently have.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Philip Kim]

nicee, the 1x? drivetrain will also allow you to run fatter tires in the 
rear so also a plus.

was debating on getting a jones, but decided to put in for a hunq instead. 
looks awesome!

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bill Lindsay]

It's probably not really "crazy low Q", by your definition, but it is 
probably a good 10mm narrower than your XD2.  While stoker is running the 
110mm BCD early 90s version of the Sugino/Ritchey cranks, I'm running the 
mid 90s 94mm BCD version on two bikes.  Both are run as a double and both 
are on 103mm ISO taper BBs.  I'd have to measure to provide you the exact 
number you requested, but it's in the 145mm range.  It's not as narrow as a 
Compass Rene Herse or an old TA, but it is narrow in comparison to just 
about anything else that is current.  

According to my photo-notes, I was getting a Q-Factor of 155mm when I used 
a 113mm JIS-Taper BB with the same crankset, set up as a triple.  To first 
order going from 113 to 103 sucks 10mm from that, and going from JIS to ISO 
drops another 4mm or so.  So the setups I have now might be as low as 
141mm.  Not crazy low in my book but a lot narrower than normal in 2016.  


On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 9:28:34 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That is very nice! I'd ride that!
>
> What exactly is the Q for the Logic crank on the 103 mm bb? I wonder if a 
> Logic would save Q over the XD2 that I presently have.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Patrick Moore]

That is very nice! I'd ride that!

What exactly is the Q for the Logic crank on the 103 mm bb? I wonder if a
Logic would save Q over the XD2 that I presently have.

Thanks.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 4:30 PM, stoker  wrote:

> That's a timely post! A couple of weeks ago, I updated my Riv Custom from
> a 'classic' build (friction shifting, etc.) to a 1x10. Wolf Tooth 40T
> w/Sram Rival  10 speed (12x28). I ran a 103mm BB with the Ritchey Logic
> cranks. The chainline is perfect and it has a crazy low Q. I wish I had
> done this a while ago...
>
> I also switched out the saddle to a C15. I really like it.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/107142884@N05/25519153624/in/album-72157637139677264/
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Ron Mc]

I've made up 3 using Miche cassettes
Here's a thread you might want to peruse:  
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/jwPd_VZqvmk  

BTW, on my 2x9 yesterday, I rode in every gear (I live in the Texas hill 
country)

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bill Lindsay]

George asked:

"anyone know how difficult it is to build up your own custom cassette these 
days?"

Just like virtually anything, the real answer is: it depends

There are individual cogs out there.  If you can find the collection of 
individual cogs you need, then the actual physical effort of "building up 
your own custom cassette" is small.  If your tastes in exactly what you 
want those cogs to be are way out beyond the fringe of what anybody else 
wants, then it might be hard.  A lot of people buy a cassette that is close 
to what they want and remove and replace the cogs that they don't like. 
 Some people get what they want by buying two cassettes and using the top 
half of one with the bottom half of another.  If you determined that your 
project requires you to remove and replace the cogs that are riveted to 
those carrier things, that gets a lot harder.  If you accumulate individual 
cogs, and you use friction shifting, then just about anything is achievable 
with plentiful spacers in all conceivable widths

At the end of the day it i's all very case by case.  If you know exactly 
what you want, and want assistance from this knowledgeable group on the 
smartest (or the cheapest) way to accomplish it, then maybe you should just 
describe what you are after.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[George Schick]

As long as we're on the subject of 1x"n" gearing, anyone know how difficult 
it is to build up your own custom cassette these days?  Say you wanted a 
certain gear size right straight down the middle of a 9-speed because 
that's the one you'll be riding in 90% of the time, but nobody sells one 
like that.  Or, if they do, maybe the adjacent gears are too large or too 
small for your taste, etc.  I know the larger and mid-range cogs are often 
riveted together, which seems like it might limit one's flexibility to pick 
and choose.


On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 8:35:20 PM UTC-5, stoker wrote:
>
> That's a timely post! A couple of weeks ago, I updated my Riv Custom from 
> a 'classic' build (friction shifting, etc.) to a 1x10. Wolf Tooth 40T 
> w/Sram Rival  10 speed (12x28). I ran a 103mm BB with the Ritchey Logic 
> cranks. The chainline is perfect and it has a crazy low Q. I wish I had 
> done this a while ago...
>
> I also switched out the saddle to a C15. I really like it.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/107142884@N05/25519153624/in/album-72157637139677264/
>  
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Ron Mc]

understatement - congratulations on a such a fine ride

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 8:43:56 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> Hey Stoker, that's a sweet set up and beautiful bike. It's a cross between 
> my Rivendell Rodeo and Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross. I'm looking forward to 
> going 1 X 11 within the next week.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 4:30 PM, stoker  > wrote:
>
>> That's a timely post! A couple of weeks ago, I updated my Riv Custom from 
>> a 'classic' build (friction shifting, etc.) to a 1x10. Wolf Tooth 40T 
>> w/Sram Rival  10 speed (12x28). I ran a 103mm BB with the Ritchey Logic 
>> cranks. The chainline is perfect and it has a crazy low Q. I wish I had 
>> done this a while ago...
>>
>> I also switched out the saddle to a C15. I really like it.
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/107142884@N05/25519153624/in/album-72157637139677264/
>>  
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bruce Smitham]

Hey Stoker, that's a sweet set up and beautiful bike. It's a cross between
my Rivendell Rodeo and Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross. I'm looking forward to
going 1 X 11 within the next week.

Bruce

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 4:30 PM, stoker  wrote:

> That's a timely post! A couple of weeks ago, I updated my Riv Custom from
> a 'classic' build (friction shifting, etc.) to a 1x10. Wolf Tooth 40T
> w/Sram Rival  10 speed (12x28). I ran a 103mm BB with the Ritchey Logic
> cranks. The chainline is perfect and it has a crazy low Q. I wish I had
> done this a while ago...
>
> I also switched out the saddle to a C15. I really like it.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/107142884@N05/25519153624/in/album-72157637139677264/
>
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before.
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range.
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and
>> unnecessary, IMO.
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out.
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[stoker]

That's a timely post! A couple of weeks ago, I updated my Riv Custom from a 
'classic' build (friction shifting, etc.) to a 1x10. Wolf Tooth 40T w/Sram 
Rival  10 speed (12x28). I ran a 103mm BB with the Ritchey Logic cranks. 
The chainline is perfect and it has a crazy low Q. I wish I had done this a 
while ago...

I also switched out the saddle to a C15. I really like it.

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On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I'm using a 1x8 friction-shift drivetrain, with a 34T Wolf Tooth Drop-Stop 
chainring up front on my Clem. The 8-speed chain works just fine.

Bob E


On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 5:02:14 PM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:
>
> I'm using a 10-speed chain. IIRC, Wolf Tooth recommends using the narrower 
> 10-speed chain for a tighter fit, but 9-speed will work. 10-speed chains 
> are cheap these days (I got a Shimano XT for $20), which made the decision 
> to convert easier.
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

I'm using a 10-speed chain. IIRC, Wolf Tooth recommends using the narrower 
10-speed chain for a tighter fit, but 9-speed will work. 10-speed chains 
are cheap these days (I got a Shimano XT for $20), which made the decision 
to convert easier. 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 1:32:03 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> I'm curious to know what kind of chain you're using with that Wolf Tooth - 
> a 9 or 10 speed chain, etc?  Info about that on the Wolf Tooth side is a 
> little sketchy.
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[George Schick]

I'm curious to know what kind of chain you're using with that Wolf Tooth - 
a 9 or 10 speed chain, etc?  Info about that on the Wolf Tooth side is a 
little sketchy.

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

Assuming you're running 700X38 tires (i think I recall you posting about 
switching to Barlows...) and it's 28 front, 30 in back, that works out to a 
25.5 gear-inch low gear. On 2.3" road tires, I'm getting a 22 inch low gear 
with a 32 X 11-42 setup. I personally find that I can barely deliver enough 
power at 22 gear inches to maintain good rear traction on dirt, better off 
walking (Lowest Common Gear!) instead of going any lower than that for me. 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 7:18:40 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1x sounds intriguing but i like friction shifting.
> I might also miss fd shifting.
>
> I think it is good to have things to do with the hands to get them moving 
> and off the bars regularly.
>
> I also need a mighty low bail out gear (28x30).
> I dont know how that works out to which ratios with a 1x.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

Heck yeah! They're going to be even better with the new model now having 
boost spacing in the rear and capability to use 150mm generator front hubs. 
I don't regret being an early adopter, but that will be an awesome bike. New 
Jones Plus 

Also, I think the world needs a Grant Petersen-Jeff Jones lovechild. Lugged 
29+. 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:29:23 AM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> Every single time I see a Jones I think that it is the way to go for my 
> future MTB (after this house thing settles). They just look perfect!
>
> -Justin
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bruce Smitham]

I'm getting ready to switch to a 1 x 11 drivetrain as well. Currently I 
have my Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross set up with Sram Apex 2 x 10 brifters 
and MTN drivetrain (42 x 28 rings) and 12/36 cassette. Works well but I 
still get a little trim issue with the FD now and then which bothers me. 
I'm going to a Shimano XT 1 x 11 MTN drivetrain (34 ring) and 11/42 
cassette. I'm just waiting on the Gevenalle (Retro shifters) to arrive 
which should work in both index and my favorite; friction mode. I'm hoping 
it will all work out and run smoothly. This is how I really wanted to set 
up my bike initially because of all the reasons mentioned in some of the 
posts as well as for ease of traveling. Simply put I just prefer to have 
one cable and RD to deal with when assembling/disassembling my bike while 
traveling. I'll provide an update when it's set up. BTW, I've set up my 
Salsa Fargo with Jones loops bars and the Schwalbe Super Moto 2.4 tires 
that Jeff recommended. It's unbelievably great at both off and on-road. I 
bought the Fargo on a deal with the understanding that I could beat it up 
and if it were lost or stolen I wouldn't feel the loss. Now I cherish it 
and love the fit. I can only imagine what a Jones Plus would be like? So if 
I'm ever in the market for a new bike, I'm definitely flying up to Oregon 
to test ride and check out some Jeff Jones bikes. 

Bruce in San Diego



On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 8:52:53 AM UTC-7, JohnS wrote:
>
> When I first got my Surly Big Dummy, I didn't have a FD which fit the seat 
> tube, so I was doing the stick for shifting thing as well. I got pretty 
> good at using my shoe for the down shift. A 1x set up makes a lot of sense 
> to me, I've been putting bikes together that way for friends and family 
> members for a few years now. I have a box of FD in the garage to prove it!
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Justin August]

Every single time I see a Jones I think that it is the way to go for my future 
MTB (after this house thing settles). They just look perfect!

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[JohnS]

When I first got my Surly Big Dummy, I didn't have a FD which fit the seat 
tube, so I was doing the stick for shifting thing as well. I got pretty 
good at using my shoe for the down shift. A 1x set up makes a lot of sense 
to me, I've been putting bikes together that way for friends and family 
members for a few years now. I have a box of FD in the garage to prove it!

JohnS


On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:

>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

True stick shifting at it's finest! Sounds like a great setup, Patrick 
(though it'd be exceedingly difficult to market). I may have come on a 
little strong in saying FD's are entirely stupid and useless, but for my 
purposes they don't make sense. I fancied the idea of bikepacking when I 
bought the Plus, but haven't actually done much of it, mostly because I 
hate riding steeps with a loaded bike. If I were to take on some serious 
bikepacking trips, I think I would just switch to a 28t front chainring for 
that purpose as another type of "manual shift". For 97% of the miles I'd 
do, 1X10 is awesome. -- Mike 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 7:33:19 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fantastic, Mike! The 1x drive train is wondrous, isn't it?
>
> I run a hybrid of sorts on my Hunqapillar, that gives me the range of a 
> 2x9 but the simplicity of a 1x9. My outer chain ring is effectively a bash 
> guard (I never use it, as it only offers 1 gear substantially higher than 
> my middle ring.). To do this I: 
>
>- removed my front derailer
>- middle ring is a Wolf Wide Narrow 38t
>- Granny is smallest they make, (24t?)
>- hand shift front rings
>
> How does this play out in the real world? I am almost always in my middle 
> ring (38t) for all riding except bikepacking. Occasionally on long steep 
> trails unloaded I'll shift to the granny. Bikepacking, is nearly 100% in 
> the granny gear, save for mild long dirt road sections connecting sections.
>
> I love it!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:44:25 PM UTC-6, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've considered doing this with my drivetrain.  I'm using a converted 
triple so I could easily stick a 24t ring on there as an emergency "manual" 
bailout gear.  



On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:33:19 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fantastic, Mike! The 1x drive train is wondrous, isn't it?
>
> I run a hybrid of sorts on my Hunqapillar, that gives me the range of a 
> 2x9 but the simplicity of a 1x9. My outer chain ring is effectively a bash 
> guard (I never use it, as it only offers 1 gear substantially higher than 
> my middle ring.). To do this I: 
>
>- removed my front derailer
>- middle ring is a Wolf Wide Narrow 38t
>- Granny is smallest they make, (24t?)
>- hand shift front rings
>
> How does this play out in the real world? I am almost always in my middle 
> ring (38t) for all riding except bikepacking. Occasionally on long steep 
> trails unloaded I'll shift to the granny. Bikepacking, is nearly 100% in 
> the granny gear, save for mild long dirt road sections connecting sections.
>
> I love it!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:44:25 PM UTC-6, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Mike! The 1x drive train is wondrous, isn't it?

I run a hybrid of sorts on my Hunqapillar, that gives me the range of a 2x9 
but the simplicity of a 1x9. My outer chain ring is effectively a bash 
guard (I never use it, as it only offers 1 gear substantially higher than 
my middle ring.). To do this I: 

   - removed my front derailer
   - middle ring is a Wolf Wide Narrow 38t
   - Granny is smallest they make, (24t?)
   - hand shift front rings

How does this play out in the real world? I am almost always in my middle 
ring (38t) for all riding except bikepacking. Occasionally on long steep 
trails unloaded I'll shift to the granny. Bikepacking, is nearly 100% in 
the granny gear, save for mild long dirt road sections connecting sections.

I love it!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:44:25 PM UTC-6, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Lungimsam]

1x sounds intriguing but i like friction shifting.
I might also miss fd shifting.

I think it is good to have things to do with the hands to get them moving and 
off the bars regularly.

I also need a mighty low bail out gear (28x30).
I dont know how that works out to which ratios with a 1x.

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Belopsky]

My old Surly Pugsley was 1x9 setup and I liked it. My new Pugsley is 2x10 
and it's all right, but a 1x setup is always appealing as there is less to 
jam.

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Congratulations Mike, sounds like you're happy. I seem to want and use a dirt 
low gear around here of 18-21 inches. My flawless 2x9 gives me that with a less 
expensive 9 cog cassette.

So does Big O fenders have a dedicated fender kit for the Jones Plus?

And after 10 months on mine I agree with you, this bike with two wheel sets (& 
fenders) is the proverbial One Bike that Does All.

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Ron Mc]

I have a 2 x 9 that has given me no grief whatsoever after 4000 mi, but I 
also love my Microshift thumbies 
Microshift indexing works great (Miche custom cassette)
This is my first index-shifting bike ever, but went it with after the 
success with Microshift 9-sp index bar ends on my daughter's bike.  


  

Shifting is totally mindless 

fwiw, this setup functions much like a 1x drivetrain (more accurately, two 
1x drivetrains) with 5 narrow cruising gears and 4 slightly wider climbing 
gears (narrow steps below 50 inches down to tree-climbing gears on the 25T 
granny ring).  For the big step between 42T and 25T rings, Ultegra CX70 FD 
has also functioned flawlessly, and will cover the rear range on the big 
ring with no FD adjustments.  

However, it would look great with a 1x10 and Paul crank.  

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

I'm running the Surly OD crank with a Microshift MTN thumb shifter 
. I'm 
currently using indexed shifting, but you can switch these into friction 
mode with the turn of an allen key. The option to be able to go back to the 
retrogrouch world of friction shifting if I so choose was really attractive 
(especially if indexing starts to suck on a tour and I can't fix it). 

Very cool that you got a Jones! I'm convinced it's the one and only bike a 
human needs. I parted out my Sam and bought a second wheelset. 

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:26:38 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Nice! I got a Jones recently as well with a 2x9 setup which I'm happy with 
> (trigger shifters) and have had no issues with, but am thinking of a 1x9 or 
> 1x10 on my hunqapillar (or just sell the hunqapillar). What is the crank 
> you're using? Are you using indexed or friction on the shifters?
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I went 1x9 on my Karate Monkey and I don't have any interest in ever having 
more than one chainring on a bike.  At this point, I think I really want to 
look in upgrading to a Rohloff in the next few years.  Low maintenance, 
wide gear range, simplicity (from the perspective of keeping the indexed 
shifting tuned) and convenience are what I'm after and I think the Rohloff 
checks all of those boxes. 


On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[dstein]

Nice! I got a Jones recently as well with a 2x9 setup which I'm happy with 
(trigger shifters) and have had no issues with, but am thinking of a 1x9 or 
1x10 on my hunqapillar (or just sell the hunqapillar). What is the crank 
you're using? Are you using indexed or friction on the shifters?

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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