Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Philip Williamson]

I noticed the assertion about plantar fasciitis, too, and went, "What? Plantar 
fasciitis isn't viral." 

Similarly, I looked up metals poisoning the other morning, and while yes, 
aluminum disrupts the function of the blood brain barrier, symptoms are only 
ever seen in people with renal (kidney) failure. Our kidneys seem to do a great 
job of scrubbing aluminum out of our bodies. 

Aluminum doesn't seem to be present in cigarette smoke, but other metals are. 
Not enough to scare me, especially compared to breathing in smoke.

Thanks for the interesting conversation! I'm now much less concerned about 
ingesting aluminum, and more appreciative of my kidneys.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Anton Tutter]

Kidneys: so good for you, we were made with two.



On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 10:57:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
>  I'm now much less concerned about ingesting aluminum, and more 
> appreciative of my kidneys.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

   The bottom line is it does not matter what we say !   Whether it is said 
to be harmless or deadly, and all degrees in between  . . . . .  who's to 
know without any doubt, Absolutely ?

Decide for your Self , no one else can no matter the so-called 
"credentials".   

 Life is Love and Love trumps any and every fear , in which there is 
nothing but Love and Life.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Leslie]

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:14:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
>
> “… walking without shoes has many hidden dangers: stepping on sharp metal 
> or glass; picking up a stray virus like plantar fasciitis, a parasite like 
> hookworm, or a bacteria like pseudomonas; not to mention risking breaking 
> or severing a toe."
>


Sorry I'm late jumping in on this conversation (and I may have missed this 
being addressed), but, a point of clarification

The above sentence, to me, reads that plantar fasciitis is caused by a 
virus, which, is not the case  plantar fasciitis being a condition 
where there's inflammation of the plantar fascia, through overuse, being 
overweight, improper footwear, etc... 
(BTDT).

-L

(A Tennesseean, who is barefoot occasionally, but more often, if not in 
hiking boots, is wearing Chacos);)

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Anton Tutter]

Looks like aluminum to me, but the amount is probably so little, and 
absorption rates through skin so small, compared to other sources that you 
are probably ingesting or absorbing into your bloodstream via other routes 
(e.g., smoking), that it's probably of no consequence.

Anton
velolumino.com
somervillebikes.wordpress.com



On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I have 1/4" solid oak platformes from my Bullseye pedals, just unsure 
> what/how to mount them on a pedal. Today I forgot and took off without 
> shoes. Great ride. I took this after some LCG up decomposed granite, but 
> some of the discoloration can still be seen. I'm posting because poking a 
> hornet's nest is fun to see what happens after. Grin. Enjoy! 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[M D Smith]

Patrick-

I'm still thinking wood is the way to go:

Get a scrap of 1/4" plywood and step on it.  (You could also experiment with 
1/8", but it might be a bit too flexible.)  Trace or have someone else trace 
your foot.  Cut the foot shaped pieces out, or use them as a template to form 
you Platonic ideal of a "barefoot pedal intended for long distance 
riding/comfort."

Now drill holes to zip tie them to your current pedals, file out a small groove 
between the holes so the tie doesn't sit proud of the platform.  Spend a 
contemplative evening sanding them until they are buttery smooth, afix them to 
your pedals, et voilà, Bob's yer uncle!  You could also stain and/or wax the 
wood to give it some extra style.

Cheers- Mike in Bklyn, NY

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

How's plywood once it gets wet?  There are two possible issues here: 
delamination and slipperiness.


On 09/21/2015 11:47 AM, M D Smith wrote:

Patrick-

I'm still thinking wood is the way to go:

Get a scrap of 1/4" plywood and step on it.  (You could also experiment with 1/8", but it 
might be a bit too flexible.)  Trace or have someone else trace your foot.  Cut the foot shaped 
pieces out, or use them as a template to form you Platonic ideal of a "barefoot pedal intended 
for long distance riding/comfort."

Now drill holes to zip tie them to your current pedals, file out a small groove 
between the holes so the tie doesn't sit proud of the platform.  Spend a 
contemplative evening sanding them until they are buttery smooth, afix them to 
your pedals, et voilà, Bob's yer uncle!  You could also stain and/or wax the 
wood to give it some extra style.

Cheers- Mike in Bklyn, NY



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still available 
in the aftermarket:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968
 

 

I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on long-distance 
rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent customer service, and will 
probably rebuild them for you for a fee.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. The Motos 
> are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I suspect, is too 
> small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same size and they are too 
> small underfoot.
> 
> The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge is 
> there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
> riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too small. 
> Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Ellis Dee wrote:
> So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals barefoot 
> and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the plastic 
> pedals?  It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the material to 
> something else.  Plastic, wood, rubber, etc.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch 
> .
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

Aren't those platforms on the CHP pedals aluminum?

On 09/21/2015 11:32 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still 
available in the aftermarket:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968 
 



I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on 
long-distance rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent 
customer service, and will probably rebuild them for you for a fee.




--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

  
While we're talking way out and wonderful ways of the pedal  .  . . . 
.how about wrapping your existing pedals in twine ?  You could install the 
original pins , some or all, and use them to stabilize the twine of some 
gauge . By the time you're finished with the twine, the cleats and the 
twine will be on the same level. Then shellac the whole thing to weather 
and sweat proof and yet still enough grip  !   Brilliant !   

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

Yes, but that wide, flat platform would seem to reduce the pressure points that 
the Deacon is experiencing from standard pedals.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> Aren't those platforms on the CHP pedals aluminum?
> 
> On 09/21/2015 11:32 AM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> How about a set of the now-discontinued Phil Wood “CHP” pedals? Still 
>> available in the aftermarket:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHIL-WOOD-CHP-Platform-pedals-Christophe-Med-Toe-Clips/191550439974?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D32483%26meid%3D8ec01677bbf244899339c96bfa18ff59%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D221878629968
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I recall a guy here in NorCal back in the ‘80s who used these on 
>> long-distance rides (centuries, etc.). Phil Wood has excellent customer 
>> service, and will probably rebuild them for you for a fee.
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch 
> .
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Toby Whitfield]

I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to plywood. 
White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts countersunk in 
white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar. Even better if the 
profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so that there isn't a 
significant amount that is cantilevered. 

If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of course the 
glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks would be a 
good source of appropriate plywood. 

Toby 
Toronto 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Patrick Moore]

Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber
block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones:

Take a 4" section of wood; 2 X 4 is good.

Bore hole through the middle.

Slide over pedal spindle.

Add washer, nut, and locknut.

Or you can just pedal on the spindles. Chappals help. Wearing chappals is
almost like going barefoot.




On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Toby Whitfield 
wrote:

> I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to
> plywood. White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts
> countersunk in white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar.
> Even better if the profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so
> that there isn't a significant amount that is cantilevered.
>
> If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of
> course the glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks
> would be a good source of appropriate plywood.
>
> Toby
> Toronto
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
Other professional writing services.
http://www.resumespecialties.com/
www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten

*
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. The 
Motos are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I suspect, 
is too small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same size and they are 
too small underfoot.

The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge is 
there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too 
small. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:08:36 AM UTC-6, Ellis Dee wrote:
>
> So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals 
> barefoot and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the 
> plastic pedals?  It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the 
> material to something else.  Plastic, wood, rubber, etc.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/21/2015 10:46 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Thank you, Ellis and everyone suggesting different material pedals. 
The Motos are ones I've had my eye on for a while. Their platform, I 
suspect, is too small for me. I have cheep plastic pedals the same 
size and they are too small underfoot.


The Ergon look good, but are horrible under a bare foot. The challenge 
is there are no actual barefoot pedals intended for long distance 
riding/comfort. The niche of a niche of a niche of a niche is just too 
small. Grin.



How are the old traditional rubber block pedals that used to come on 
those wonderful Raleigh 3-speeds for barefoot long distance comfort?




These are MKS, $30 at sheldonbrown.com

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ellis Dee]

So, getting back to the original subject of riding aluminum pedals barefoot 
and avoiding metal-to-skin contact, what did you think about the plastic 
pedals?  It seems like an obvious answer, just changing the material to 
something else.  Plastic, wood, rubber, etc.

By the way, these look comfortable for riding barefoot:
http://www.motobicycles.com/home-en.html


On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 1:34:05 AM UTC+1, Ellis Dee wrote:
>
> ...
>
Thus, you might just want to go for some cheap plastic ones:
>
> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=42731=114
>
> or the Ergon PC2 made of "composite material":
> http://www.ergon-bike.com/us/en/product/pc2
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

I have 1/4" solid oak platformes from my Bullseye pedals, just unsure 
what/how to mount them on a pedal. Today I forgot and took off without 
shoes. Great ride. I took this after some LCG up decomposed granite, but 
some of the discoloration can still be seen. I'm posting because poking a 
hornet's nest is fun to see what happens after. Grin. Enjoy! 

With abandon,
Patrick



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

if it doesn't get splinters in his feet, Deac won't like it.  

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 11:40:47 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Here's an old Indian (S Asia) *truc* for pedals, used when your rubber 
> block pedals wear out and you haven't the $ for new ones:
>
> Take a 4" section of wood; 2 X 4 is good.
>
> Bore hole through the middle.
>
> Slide over pedal spindle.
>
> Add washer, nut, and locknut.
>
> Or you can just pedal on the spindles. Chappals help. Wearing chappals is 
> almost like going barefoot.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Toby Whitfield  > wrote:
>
>> I would think that a strong, durable hardwood would be superior to 
>> plywood. White oak or something similar. Personally I would use bolts 
>> countersunk in white oak over top of thin gripsters or something similar. 
>> Even better if the profile of the pedals matches the shape of the pedal so 
>> that there isn't a significant amount that is cantilevered.
>>
>> If going plywood, a marine grade Baltic birch ply might work, but of 
>> course the glues might be worse than the aluminum. I guess skateboard decks 
>> would be a good source of appropriate plywood.
>>
>> Toby
>> Toronto
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com .
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> Other professional writing services.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>
> *
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>  
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

It is none of those things, and if you thought about it objectively for 
a moment, you'd see it right away.  If you are looking for a source of a 
problem, do you look first at the obscure causes, or do you look first 
at those known to be the most likely?


On 09/19/2015 10:31 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

it's  hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly
Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his tacks, 
haven't called him out on anything more than shoes, and I try to do 
that with humor.





--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[ascpgh]

>
>  is self righteousness!
> I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict.>


Acknowledgment is the first step, but the alkaloid "green monkeys"  are 
both large and surprising (not to diminish your relationships with sugar, 
salt and fat). Any of us who like our coffee know what its depravation 
brings. 

A nice primer on the topic without going too deep into the biochemistry and 
pharmacology:

http://www.decodedscience.com/drugs-nature-chemistry-addictive-alkaloids/53057

Andy Cheatham
*(currently enjoying the benefits of my regular heated caffeine source)*
Pittsburgh


On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 8:30:43 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>
> I'd say that sugar, salt and fat are more addictive... But most addictive 
> is self righteousness!
>
> I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict. 
>
> -J
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

had no idea smoke police were invited to this party

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

ps, can I be the shoe police?  

On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> had no idea smoke police were invited to this party
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

   What is this . let's judge DP's(and/or everyone) life , for "I know 
the Truth and Source of Life itself" ?For judgment to be true , there 
must be Truth Absolute to back it up .   Unless a so-called truth is 
Absolute , meaning unquestionable and constant, it is not Truth, but a 
"practice without a license" . 


Does anyone here have such Authority ?   

I know none , no man has such Authority 

Enough of that .  . . . . .

__

As for Life .  . .. Life is Good !  
Wondrous and Eternal 

... to "Love your neighbor as yourself" to me means that there is no 
separation between "my" life and "another's" life. Life is Life , 
regardless of the who , what, where , when and why . Life is my neighbor 
for Life is all there is to "me" .

With Love,  Garth 



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

This is not judgment, policing or Truth Absolute.  It's nothing more 
than Occam's Razor.   Which is a more likely source of ingestion into 
the body of aluminum, transference through the soles of the feet or 
ingestion via the lungs and the mouth?  The soles of the feet are 
designed to protect against intrusion of foreign materials, while the 
lungs and the mouth are designed to facilitate ingestion; and tobacco 
smoke is demonstrably rich in heavy metals in addition to many other 
toxic substances.




On 09/19/2015 08:40 AM, Garth wrote:



   What is this . let's judge DP's(and/or everyone) life , for "I 
know the Truth and Source of Life itself" ?For judgment to be true 
, there must be Truth Absolute to back it up .   Unless a so-called 
truth is Absolute , meaning unquestionable and constant, it is not 
Truth, but a "practice without a license" .



Does anyone here have such Authority ?

I know none , no man has such Authority

Enough of that .  . . . . .

__

As for Life .  . .. Life is Good !
Wondrous and Eternal

... to "Love your neighbor as yourself" to me means that there is no 
separation between "my" life and "another's" life. Life is Life , 
regardless of the who , what, where , when and why . Life is my 
neighbor for Life is all there is to "me" .


With Love,  Garth


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

it's  hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly
Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his tacks, haven't 
called him out on anything more than shoes, and I try to do that with 
humor.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

With me there is certainly a lot of "weird" to choose from! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 8:31:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> it's  hijacking a thread - it's extrapolating, it's rude, it's unfriendly
> Deac is a good guy and while I don't I always agree with his tacks, 
> haven't called him out on anything more than shoes, and I try to do that 
> with humor.  
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Steve, I appreciate your concern and the point you are making beneath the 
emotional bombast. I also agree, you are not judging me, you are focused on 
an action I choose to do. You are attempting to "love the sinner hate the 
sin." Grin.

At the risk of sending you round the bend, I only just began experiencing 
these symptoms this summer. Smoking a pipe is not high on my list of 
potential causes because it is not a new factor. I've smoked a pipe for 
over 20 years. Could buildup have reached a critical point and coincidently 
have happened post surgery and with increased barefoot riding? Sure. Could 
be all three combined. Logically, the most likely culprit is the surgery 
due to timing and it is the most anomalous (thus the most suspicious), and 
I'm operating on that premise. Should the need arise, I will eliminate the 
pipe and see if that helps. 

With abandon,
Patrick



On Saturday, September 19, 2015 at 7:26:52 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> This is not judgment, policing or Truth Absolute.  It's nothing more 
> than Occam's Razor.   Which is a more likely source of ingestion into 
> the body of aluminum, transference through the soles of the feet or 
> ingestion via the lungs and the mouth?  The soles of the feet are 
> designed to protect against intrusion of foreign materials, while the 
> lungs and the mouth are designed to facilitate ingestion; and tobacco 
> smoke is demonstrably rich in heavy metals in addition to many other 
> toxic substances. 
>
>
>
> On 09/19/2015 08:40 AM, Garth wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >What is this . let's judge DP's(and/or everyone) life , for "I 
> > know the Truth and Source of Life itself" ?For judgment to be true 
> > , there must be Truth Absolute to back it up .   Unless a so-called 
> > truth is Absolute , meaning unquestionable and constant, it is not 
> > Truth, but a "practice without a license" . 
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone here have such Authority ? 
> > 
> > I know none , no man has such Authority 
> > 
> > Enough of that .  . . . . . 
> > 
> > __ 
> > 
> > As for Life .  . .. Life is Good ! 
> > Wondrous and Eternal 
> > 
> > ... to "Love your neighbor as yourself" to me means that there is no 
> > separation between "my" life and "another's" life. Life is Life , 
> > regardless of the who , what, where , when and why . Life is my 
> > neighbor for Life is all there is to "me" . 
> > 
> > With Love,  Garth 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Daniel D.]

Does Patrick smoke cigarettes?

"Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these hazardous 
elements" 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Justin August]

I'd say that sugar, salt and fat are more addictive... But most addictive is 
self righteousness!

I know because my name's Justin and I am an addict. 

-J

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

There's no material difference between the toxins in cigarette smoke and 
the toxins in pipe smoke.  Tobacco smoke is full of toxins.  And if you 
think you can smoke your pipe and not inhale you are deluding yourself.  
These things have all been well known for hundreds of years.


So let's do the comparison: a toxin-laden smoke sucked into your lungs 
and mouth vs a metal that comes into contact with the soles of your feet 
-- which is more likely to bring contaminants into your body?  If you 
think it's the latter you are fooling yourself.


Now I can understand that: addicts are notoriously self deluded about 
the drug they're hooked on, and make no mistake: tobacco is about the 
most addictive substance known to man.  Organically grown poison may be 
"pure," but it's pure poison still.



On 09/18/2015 01:13 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Daniel, I hope someday I get the opportunity to ride with Steve. I 
think that would be a blast. When it comes to certain topics, 
including me and pipes and helmets, he sees a whole lot of stupid (and 
may be right) where I see a whole lot of grey area and personal 
choice. So he now pokes and prods now and again, and I hope that helps 
him feel better. Grin.


With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 10:43:37 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:

The study you linked to researched cigarettes...




--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

"Grey area" regarding smoking? Huh? If not for the fact that I'm reading this 
on a smart phone, I would think I've returned to the 1950s. 

The harmful effects of tobacco use of any kind  are well-documented … unless 
you don't believe in science, modern medicine, etc.. Even if you don't inhale 
pipe smoke, you're risking oral cancer. 

Deacon, it's hard to grin after part of your mouth has been removed to keep the 
cancer from spreading. 

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
Twitter @CampyOnlyGuy
Blog: CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Daniel, I hope someday I get the opportunity to ride with Steve. I think that 
> would be a blast. When it comes to certain topics, including me and pipes and 
> helmets, he sees a whole lot of stupid (and may be right) where I see a whole 
> lot of grey area and personal choice. So he now pokes and prods now and 
> again, and I hope that helps him feel better. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
> 
>> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 10:43:37 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>> The study you linked to researched cigarettes...
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 12:25:15 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Does Patrick smoke cigarettes?
>
> "Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these 
> hazardous elements" 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

And that's a far more likely source of heavy metal poisoning than 
transfer from pedals through the soles of your feet.


On 09/18/2015 09:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 12:25:15 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:

Does Patrick smoke cigarettes?

"Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these
hazardous elements"




--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Daniel D.]

The study you linked to researched cigarettes...

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 6:28:18 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> And that's a far more likely source of heavy metal poisoning than transfer 
> from pedals through the soles of your feet.
>
> On 09/18/2015 09:03 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> No. I smoke a pipe with organic cavendish I process from leaf. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 12:25:15 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote: 
>>
>> Does Patrick smoke cigarettes? 
>>
>> "Cigarette smoking may be a substantial source of intake of these 
>> hazardous elements" 
>>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Daniel, I hope someday I get the opportunity to ride with Steve. I think 
that would be a blast. When it comes to certain topics, including me and 
pipes and helmets, he sees a whole lot of stupid (and may be right) where I 
see a whole lot of grey area and personal choice. So he now pokes and prods 
now and again, and I hope that helps him feel better. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Friday, September 18, 2015 at 10:43:37 AM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> The study you linked to researched cigarettes...
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

 In regards to aluminum , it should be noted that all Al that is used in 
everything is not the same .  Some is anodized , which is a chemical 
process that makes it's surface relatively inert . I say relatively only 
because acids and highly caustic chemicals can compromise it. Skin contact 
, cooking and such normal intended use does not at all.  So all Al pots and 
pans are not to be lumped together. Some are anodized , some are not . 
Price is a good indicator , and of course the surface of the "raw" non 
anodized ones can rub off in your hands with rubbing and in cooking in can 
impart a yucky taste sometimes while anodized does not .  Some bike parts 
are like this too. Seatposts are almost always anodized for example. Hubs , 
especially older ones may not. 

  The Canfield Al pedals do appear to be anodized , for one brand example. 
You can tell by the look of the surface of the colored ones. 

   Regardless , We are all perfectly alright , right Here Right Now, 
whatever we choose .  True faith is truly blind , blind to circumstance , 
to all fears, to all conditions, to anything contrary to Infinite Well 
Being .  Even the seemingly small mustard seed has complete faith in it's 
brilliance :) 


On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 7:32:04 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Deacon, pardon me for jumping in so late in the conversation.  I haven't 
> read all of the previous 26 replies so some of this may repetitive.  Al is 
> a known neuro disrupter, as you know.  It does seem unlikely that the 
> pedals are the cause of your problem, since the metal is unheated.  But you 
> could switch to steel pedals.  More likely sources of contamination are 
> cooking utensils and medications.  Heated Al pots, pans (many "coated" pans 
> have an Al base) are more easily ingested.  Many medicines, especially 
> vaccines have Al in their formulation.
>
> I'm sorry to read about your distress.  BTW, we have, unfortunately, 
> restructured our trip to the west cost from a leisurely drive to a flight, 
> so I wont be able to visit you.
>
> Michael
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:53:47 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
>> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>>
>> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
>> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
>> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
>> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
>> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
>> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
>> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
>> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
>> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
>> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
>> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
>> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
>> metallurgy. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Michael Hechmer]

Deacon, pardon me for jumping in so late in the conversation.  I haven't 
read all of the previous 26 replies so some of this may repetitive.  Al is 
a known neuro disrupter, as you know.  It does seem unlikely that the 
pedals are the cause of your problem, since the metal is unheated.  But you 
could switch to steel pedals.  More likely sources of contamination are 
cooking utensils and medications.  Heated Al pots, pans (many "coated" pans 
have an Al base) are more easily ingested.  Many medicines, especially 
vaccines have Al in their formulation.

I'm sorry to read about your distress.  BTW, we have, unfortunately, 
restructured our trip to the west cost from a leisurely drive to a flight, 
so I wont be able to visit you.

Michael

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:53:47 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you all! I'm not ready to search for new pedals just yet. I have 
these and I have shoes and I know that combo works. We're in to cooler days 
now, so it's less an issue to wear shoes (plus everything has got to seed 
and dried up, and that adds barefoot fun!).

Michael, yes the most likely culprit is the surgery and accompanying shots 
they gave me having metal in them (how stupid is that?). They did a CT scan 
with contrasting dye rather than an ultrasound to see if my appendix needed 
to come out. Why, I now have no idea as it adds time to the process and 
junk into me and costs more (they wouldn't do that, would they?). But the 
timing is suspect. Surgery one year ago, recovered amazingly and had one of 
the best winters I've ever had in terms of brain energy, warms up and I 
start riding barefoot again. Bang, weird muscle issues start up.

RJM: Volcano dirt. http://www.myinsidehealth.com also, diatomaceous earth 
is a similar idea. It chelates with metals and removes them from the body. 
The usual "you may feel worse before you feel better" caviates apply. In my 
case, I've gotten better faster than I thought, including the ability to 
write again, which has been gone since last Fall. Muscle twitching is 
almost non-existant now.

With abandon,
Patrick

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ryan Fleming]

Weren't those those CHIPs Phil Wood pedals? Patrick, didn't you have those 
at some time, or weren't you interested them at some time?

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-5, M D Smith wrote:
>
> Patrick-
>
> Have you considered wooden pedals? 
>
> I can't find the exact thing I'm thinking of, but someone made at one 
> point a kit that consisted of pedal spindles that one screwed into pieces 
> of wood to make any sized platforms.  I'm pretty sure I read it in an old 
> Rivendell Reader at some point.  Does anyone else remember those?
>
> If you google "wooden bicycle pedals" and hit "images" you will get lots 
> of ideas for pedals that wouldn't cause an issue with aluminum/skin contact.
>
> Cheers- Mike, usually shod in Bkln, NY
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, the Bullseye Roger Durham wood platform pedals were mine to their end 
and they gave me their all. You can just see one here (especially if you 
click the enlarge view button):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9242340546/in/album-72157634546062347/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 12:18:15 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Weren't those those CHIPs Phil Wood pedals? Patrick, didn't you have those 
> at some time, or weren't you interested them at some time?
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/17/2015 11:50 AM, Ellis Dee wrote:

Hi Deacon,

You should be aware that many antacids--both prescription and over the 
counter--contain aluminum hydroxide, as per:

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a601013.html

So, if you take a teaspoon of Maalox you've just ingested more 
aluminum than you would get by riding on aluminum bicycle pedals.


If you don't get a rash or break out after riding on your aluminum 
pedals, then you're probably ok.  However, I sympathize with your 
metal toxicity issues.

/
/


 /Toxic and trace elements in tobacco and tobacco smoke./

/M. Chiba 
//and //R. 
Masironi /


/While the harmful health effects of carbon monoxide, nicotine, tar, 
irritants and other noxious gases that are present in tobacco smoke are 
well known, *those due to heavy metals and other toxic mineral elements 
in tobacco smoke are not sufficiently emphasized.* Tobacco smoking 
influences the concentrations of several elements in some organs. This 
review summarizes the known effects of some trace elements and other 
biochemically important elements (Al, As, Cd, Cr, Cu, Pb, Mn, Hg, Ni, 
Po-210, Se, and Zn) which are linked with smoking. Cigarette smoking may 
be a substantial source of intake of these hazardous elements not only 
to the smoker but also, through passive smoking, to nonsmokers. The 
adverse health effects of these toxic elements on the fetus through 
maternal smoking, and on infants through parental smoking, are of 
special concern.//

/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2393306/

Hell of a lot more likely to get that heavy metal poisoning, if indeed 
that's what it is, from smoking than from riding aluminum pedals 
barefoot, I'd say.



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Justin August]

If you're worried about cramping you could also try some Unsuphured Blackstrap 
Molasses. Tons of Potassium, smoky sweet salty taste and Mark Sisson approved. 

Good luck in your search. Mystery ailments are not enjoyable. 

-J

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ellis Dee]

Hi Deacon,

You should be aware that many antacids--both prescription and over the 
counter--contain aluminum hydroxide, as per:
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a601013.html

So, if you take a teaspoon of Maalox you've just ingested more aluminum 
than you would get by riding on aluminum bicycle pedals.

If you don't get a rash or break out after riding on your aluminum pedals, 
then you're probably ok.  However, I sympathize with your metal toxicity 
issues.  I have a nickel allergy and get a rash when I wear a Casio watch 
made of stainless steel.  (Stainless steel can be 10% nickel.)  I get 
around this problem by wearing a titanium watch.

You'd think there would be some slick company out there making titanium 
pedals for cycling, but I haven't found any that make "normal" pedals.  
There seems to be one company making the eggbeater type for special shoes, 
so that won't help you.

Thus, you might just want to go for some cheap plastic ones:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=42731=114

or the Ergon PC2 made of "composite material":
http://www.ergon-bike.com/us/en/product/pc2

If all else fails, here's a clever hack:  Cut up an old bicycle tube and 
slide it over the pedal.  Then you're pedaling on rubber.

Best of luck!

-Ellis

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 6:53:47 PM UTC+1, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[ascpgh]

You could apply a coat of shellac to the platform surface of your pedals to 
seal the Aluminum surface. Cheap and easily repeatable as needed. 

Andy Cheatham
PIttsburghj 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is only on the pedal contact 
> spot. If it was dirt it would be that color other places too and it's not. 
> I suspect sweat oxidizing the aluminum combined with the pressure to rub in 
> off the pedal on/into the skin of my foot.
>
> Yes, the whole exposure things seems most likely minimal, but I also know 
> that my brain injury turns me into a canary in a coal mine in a lot of 
> ways. Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>> When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that 
>> is aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt.  If you rode on 
>> plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray?
>>
>> It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum 
>> develop any neurological problems as a result of handling aluminum year 
>> after year. I know that whenever I work with aluminum fenders, my hands get 
>> black with aluminum oxide. I'm guessing that the absorbtion ends up being 
>> very low, perhaps less than normal diet, but who really knows?
>>
>> Anton, who works in biology and has fun with aluminum
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. 
>>> After a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are 
>>> definately rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The 
>>> logic of it seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it 
>>> being an issue is more extreme.
>>>
>>> For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- thank 
>>> you for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns listed 
>>> are non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite exposure. 
>>> Chemical because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and 
>>> parasite could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of 
>>> course, the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going 
>>> barefoot. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
>>> wrote:

 Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can 
 absorb aluminum via riding barefoot?

 Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer 
 to many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms 
 of mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
 muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
 have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
 and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
 shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
 up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
 causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
 meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
 off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the 
 collective 
 knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
 metallurgy. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
 *www.OurHolyConception.org *



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/16/2015 01:11 AM, Oliver S. wrote:


Anyway, there's a lot more research you can do, but I think barefoot 
riding sounds harmless on the whole and with respect to aluminum.




Just don't step off while the bike is still moving.  I have an old, worn 
out pair of Sidi Dominators and the lugs are all ground off the sole on 
the foot I step down with.



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

my freshman Chem prof, Dr. Hall, had an Uncle Charlie - concurrent inventor 
of the Hall-Bayer process and founder of Alcoa.  

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 12:11:03 AM UTC-5, Oliver S. wrote:
>
> I understand your concern but doubt that the concentrations being 
> transmitted are significant. 
>
> My uncle Charlie studies how chemicals indoors end up in us, focusing 
> mostly on phthalates transmitted through the skin and breathing. [And he 
> and my aunt Lulu are longtime Riv fans and handed down a pile of Readers to 
> me].
>
> Today Charlie tweeted a link  to a CDC 
> report on exposure to environmental chemicals.  I took a brief look at the 
> report , and of the 212 chemicals 
> included (inc. ~20 metals), aluminum isn't in there.  
>
> Anyway, there's a lot more research you can do, but I think barefoot 
> riding sounds harmless on the whole and with respect to aluminum. 
>
> - Oliver
>
>
>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

Consider some Magnesium pedals :)  Wellgo MG-1 , Canfield Crampon , 
Xpedo MX Force and Spry and DMR Vault and V12 are some , all with removable 
pins and all . 

   I've had a couple of pairs of Wellgo's for years , perfect for my 12" 
foot length.  Just add some grease to them when new and the are good to go 
indefinitely .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, Garth. With the exception of the Canfield Crampon Classic, they 
all have non-barefoot friendly platforms. I'll definately look into the 
classic.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 5:58:27 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
> Consider some Magnesium pedals :)  Wellgo MG-1 , Canfield Crampon , 
> Xpedo MX Force and Spry and DMR Vault and V12 are some , all with removable 
> pins and all . 
>
>I've had a couple of pairs of Wellgo's for years , perfect for my 12" 
> foot length.  Just add some grease to them when new and the are good to go 
> indefinitely .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[M D Smith]

Patrick-

Have you considered wooden pedals? 

I can't find the exact thing I'm thinking of, but someone made at one point a 
kit that consisted of pedal spindles that one screwed into pieces of wood to 
make any sized platforms.  I'm pretty sure I read it in an old Rivendell Reader 
at some point.  Does anyone else remember those?

If you google "wooden bicycle pedals" and hit "images" you will get lots of 
ideas for pedals that wouldn't cause an issue with aluminum/skin contact.

Cheers- Mike, usually shod in Bkln, NY

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[RJM]

Volcano Dirt?
 

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot? 
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

  
  Oh yeah guys , wood !  Brilliant I forget to mention these for Patrick , 
way cool .  I think the shape may work for bare feet ? 

http://www.motobicycles.com/moto-urban-pedal-en.html


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[M D Smith]

Or something along these lines

http://problemsolversbike.com/blog/comments/how_to_make_skateboard_pedal_decks_for_clipless_pedals

Could just use regular ply wood.

-Mike

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[LeahFoy]

Just in case anyone is concerned about the aluminum in their deodorant, I make 
my own. Make a paste of baking soda and coconut oil (warmed so that it is 
liquid), add 10-15 drops of your favorite essential oil and store in a glass 
container. Works SO MUCH BETTER than Tom's and is also cheaper and mo better 
for you. I live in one of the hottest places in the US, so if it's working for 
me, I'd guess it would work for you!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[LeahFoy]

Just in case anyone is concerned about the aluminum in their deodorant, I make 
my own. Make a paste of baking soda and coconut oil (warmed so that it is 
liquid), add 10-15 drops of your favorite essential oil and store in a glass 
container. Works SO MUCH BETTER than Tom's and is also cheaper and mo better 
for you. I live in one of the hottest places in the US, so if it's working for 
me, I'd guess it would work for you!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! If it's any consolation, winter's always put shoes on my feet. Grin. 
Unfortunately, I'm leaning that way all on my own to such an extent that I 
debated starting this thread at all as I wasn't sure it would change what I 
am doing. It's been a frustrating summer not getting out anywhere close to 
what I'd hoped, and if there is any possibility this was contributory in 
any way to that it's well worth wearing minimalist shoes.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 6:40:02 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I think we should say yes just to get Deac to wear shoes when he rides
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Ron Mc]

I think we should say yes just to get Deac to wear shoes when he rides

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Oliver S.]

I understand your concern but doubt that the concentrations being 
transmitted are significant. 

My uncle Charlie studies how chemicals indoors end up in us, focusing 
mostly on phthalates transmitted through the skin and breathing. [And he 
and my aunt Lulu are longtime Riv fans and handed down a pile of Readers to 
me].

Today Charlie tweeted a link  to a CDC 
report on exposure to environmental chemicals.  I took a brief look at the 
report , and of the 212 chemicals 
included (inc. ~20 metals), aluminum isn't in there.  

Anyway, there's a lot more research you can do, but I think barefoot riding 
sounds harmless on the whole and with respect to aluminum. 

- Oliver


>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is only on the pedal contact 
>>> spot. If it was dirt it would be that color other places too and it's not. 
>>> I suspect sweat oxidizing the aluminum combined with the pressure to rub in 
>>> off the pedal on/into the skin of my foot.
>>>
>>> Yes, the whole exposure things seems most likely minimal, but I also 
>>> know that my brain injury turns me into a canary in a coal mine in a lot of 
>>> ways. Sardonic grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:

 When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that 
 is aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt.  If you rode on 
 plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray?

 It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum 
 develop any neurological problems as a result of handling aluminum year 
 after year. I know that whenever I work with aluminum fenders, my hands 
 get 
 black with aluminum oxide. I'm guessing that the absorbtion ends up being 
 very low, perhaps less than normal diet, but who really knows?

 Anton, who works in biology and has fun with aluminum



 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick 
 wrote:
>
> Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. 
> After a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are 
> definately rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The 
> logic of it seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it 
> being an issue is more extreme.
>
> For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- 
> thank you for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns 
> listed are non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite 
> exposure. 
> Chemical because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and 
> parasite could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of 
> course, the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going 
> barefoot. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can 
>> absorb aluminum via riding barefoot?
>>
>> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer 
>> to many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new 
>> symptoms 
>> of mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as 
>> significant 
>> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
>> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano 
>> dirt 
>> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
>> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing 
>> things 
>> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to 
>> determine 
>> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
>> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please 
>> respond 
>> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the 
>> collective 
>> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology 
>> and 
>> metallurgy. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, 

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Handlebar tape is an excellent idea, Philip! Skateboard deck tape came 
right off. I've thought of screwing rubber sheeting on, but at that point I 
may as well put on my ZEMgear shoes. Hm.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:00:20 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Even though aluminum is the third most abundant element in the earth's 
> crust, it's always naturally found in a compoud with something else. It 
> takes humans and electricity to get pure chunks you can rub on your feet. 
>
> If I can find my roll of skateboard grip tape, I'll send you a couple 
> squares to put on your pedals. It should last long enough to see if you 
> fare better than without it. You could also paint the pedals, or wrap them 
> with twine or handlebar tape...handlebar tape might work, right? That 
> actually sounds cooler than grip tape, and won't come off in the heat or 
> rain. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is only on the pedal contact 
>> spot. If it was dirt it would be that color other places too and it's not. 
>> I suspect sweat oxidizing the aluminum combined with the pressure to rub in 
>> off the pedal on/into the skin of my foot.
>>
>> Yes, the whole exposure things seems most likely minimal, but I also know 
>> that my brain injury turns me into a canary in a coal mine in a lot of 
>> ways. Sardonic grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>>
>>> When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that 
>>> is aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt.  If you rode on 
>>> plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray?
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum 
>>> develop any neurological problems as a result of handling aluminum year 
>>> after year. I know that whenever I work with aluminum fenders, my hands get 
>>> black with aluminum oxide. I'm guessing that the absorbtion ends up being 
>>> very low, perhaps less than normal diet, but who really knows?
>>>
>>> Anton, who works in biology and has fun with aluminum
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. 
 After a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are 
 definately rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The 
 logic of it seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it 
 being an issue is more extreme.

 For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- thank 
 you for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns listed 
 are non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite exposure. 
 Chemical because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and 
 parasite could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of 
 course, the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going 
 barefoot. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
 wrote:
>
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can 
> absorb aluminum via riding barefoot?
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer 
> to many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms 
> of mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as 
> significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano 
> dirt 
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing 
> things 
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please 
> respond 
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the 
> collective 
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at 

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Philip Williamson]

Even though aluminum is the third most abundant element in the earth's 
crust, it's always naturally found in a compoud with something else. It 
takes humans and electricity to get pure chunks you can rub on your feet. 

If I can find my roll of skateboard grip tape, I'll send you a couple 
squares to put on your pedals. It should last long enough to see if you 
fare better than without it. You could also paint the pedals, or wrap them 
with twine or handlebar tape...handlebar tape might work, right? That 
actually sounds cooler than grip tape, and won't come off in the heat or 
rain. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is only on the pedal contact 
> spot. If it was dirt it would be that color other places too and it's not. 
> I suspect sweat oxidizing the aluminum combined with the pressure to rub in 
> off the pedal on/into the skin of my foot.
>
> Yes, the whole exposure things seems most likely minimal, but I also know 
> that my brain injury turns me into a canary in a coal mine in a lot of 
> ways. Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>> When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that 
>> is aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt.  If you rode on 
>> plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray?
>>
>> It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum 
>> develop any neurological problems as a result of handling aluminum year 
>> after year. I know that whenever I work with aluminum fenders, my hands get 
>> black with aluminum oxide. I'm guessing that the absorbtion ends up being 
>> very low, perhaps less than normal diet, but who really knows?
>>
>> Anton, who works in biology and has fun with aluminum
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. 
>>> After a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are 
>>> definately rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The 
>>> logic of it seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it 
>>> being an issue is more extreme.
>>>
>>> For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- thank 
>>> you for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns listed 
>>> are non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite exposure. 
>>> Chemical because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and 
>>> parasite could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of 
>>> course, the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going 
>>> barefoot. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
>>> wrote:

 Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can 
 absorb aluminum via riding barefoot?

 Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer 
 to many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms 
 of mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
 muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
 have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
 and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
 shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
 up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
 causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
 meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
 off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the 
 collective 
 knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
 metallurgy. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
 *www.OurHolyConception.org *



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Eric Norris]

I’d be more concerned about pathogens and other nasty stuff that you might pick 
up in bare feet while you’re walking around. 

There are benefits to walking barefoot, but also dangers:

“… walking without shoes has many hidden dangers: stepping on sharp metal or 
glass; picking up a stray virus like plantar fasciitis, a parasite like 
hookworm, or a bacteria like pseudomonas; not to mention risking breaking or 
severing a toe."

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Anton Tutter  wrote:
> 
> Good question-- this is a concern with antiperspirants since many contain 
> aluminum. A research paper on this effect (on mice) determined that about 
> 0.01% of applied Al from antiperspirant is absorbed by the skin. Per 
> application, that amounted to about 4 mcg, or about 2.5% of the amount of 
> aluminum normally absorbed daily by the gut from food.
> .
> So are you absorbing Al from riding your pedals barefoot? Probably a tiny 
> amount, and probably way less than the levels measured in the research study 
> since you are probably rubbing off a tiny fraction of what was applied to the 
> mice. I'm guessing you're rubbing less than picogram amounts of AL off your 
> pedals with each ride.
> 
> Anton
> velolumino.com
> somervillebikes.wordpress.com
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:53:47 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
> 
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to many 
> “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may have 
> metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt and 
> have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve shifted to 
> always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things up, but there 
> is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine causal with all 
> this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not meaning to delve into 
> if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond off list if you feel 
> inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective knowledge of this 
> august body knows about the intersection of biology and metallurgy. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch 
> .
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/15/2015 02:14 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
I’d be more concerned about pathogens and other nasty stuff that you 
might pick up in bare feet while you’re walking around.


Not to mention nails and dog poop...


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Anton Tutter]

Good question-- this is a concern with antiperspirants since many contain 
aluminum. A research paper on this effect (on mice) determined that about 
0.01% of applied Al from antiperspirant is absorbed by the skin. Per 
application, that amounted to about 4 mcg, or about 2.5% of the amount of 
aluminum normally absorbed daily by the gut from food.
.
So are you absorbing Al from riding your pedals barefoot? Probably a tiny 
amount, and probably way less than the levels measured in the research 
study since you are probably rubbing off a tiny fraction of what was 
applied to the mice. I'm guessing you're rubbing less than picogram amounts 
of AL off your pedals with each ride.

Anton
velolumino.com
somervillebikes.wordpress.com


On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 1:53:47 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Garth]

 * "take ye no thought"*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. After a 
ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are definately 
rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The logic of it 
seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it being an issue 
is more extreme.

For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- thank you 
for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns listed are 
non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite exposure. Chemical 
because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and parasite 
could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of course, 
the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going barefoot. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>
> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
> metallurgy. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Anton Tutter]

When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that is 
aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt.  If you rode on 
plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray?

It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum 
develop any neurological problems as a result of handling aluminum year 
after year. I know that whenever I work with aluminum fenders, my hands get 
black with aluminum oxide. I'm guessing that the absorbtion ends up being 
very low, perhaps less than normal diet, but who really knows?

Anton, who works in biology and has fun with aluminum



On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. After 
> a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are definately 
> rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The logic of it 
> seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it being an issue 
> is more extreme.
>
> For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- thank 
> you for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns listed 
> are non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite exposure. 
> Chemical because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and 
> parasite could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of 
> course, the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going 
> barefoot. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can absorb 
>> aluminum via riding barefoot?
>>
>> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
>> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
>> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
>> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
>> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
>> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
>> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
>> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
>> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
>> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
>> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
>> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
>> metallurgy. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Bizarrely on topic: AL absorption through skin

[Deacon Patrick]

It's definitely aluminum and not dirt. It is only on the pedal contact 
spot. If it was dirt it would be that color other places too and it's not. 
I suspect sweat oxidizing the aluminum combined with the pressure to rub in 
off the pedal on/into the skin of my foot.

Yes, the whole exposure things seems most likely minimal, but I also know 
that my brain injury turns me into a canary in a coal mine in a lot of 
ways. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:12:35 PM UTC-6, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> When your feet become dark grey after riding, I wonder how much of that is 
> aluminum oxide (dark gray/black) and how much is dirt.  If you rode on 
> plastic pedals would your feet still get the same dark gray?
>
> It would be interesting to know if metalworkers who work with aluminum 
> develop any neurological problems as a result of handling aluminum year 
> after year. I know that whenever I work with aluminum fenders, my hands get 
> black with aluminum oxide. I'm guessing that the absorbtion ends up being 
> very low, perhaps less than normal diet, but who really knows?
>
> Anton, who works in biology and has fun with aluminum
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Anton, thank you. Yes, the anti-persperant was one of my questions. After 
>> a ride, my forefeet are a dark grey and the aluminum pedals are definately 
>> rubbed smoother on the barefoot side vs. the spiked side. The logic of it 
>> seems to point to it not being an issue, but the price of it being an issue 
>> is more extreme.
>>
>> For those responding about the other dangers of going barefoot -- thank 
>> you for your concern! In the years I've gone barefoot the concerns listed 
>> are non-factors with the exception of chemical or parasite exposure. 
>> Chemical because way too much gets sprayed with all kinds of junk, and 
>> parasite could potentially be an issue in a different geographic area. Of 
>> course, the intent of this thread was not to be a critique of going 
>> barefoot. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone know about if the skin (specifically soles of the feet) can 
>>> absorb aluminum via riding barefoot?
>>>
>>> Here’s what prompts the bizarre question: I’ve lost much of my summer to 
>>> many “hard” brain days, including increased brain fog and new symptoms of 
>>> mini-charlie-horses in the muscles near my bones as well as significant 
>>> muscle twitching. At the recommendation of an herbalist who though I may 
>>> have metal toxicity from my surgery last year, I began taking volcano dirt 
>>> and have since begun doing better than I have since early spring. I’ve 
>>> shifted to always wearing shoes when riding so I don’t risk messing things 
>>> up, but there is a whole lot of corollary and very difficult to determine 
>>> causal with all this (as is always the case). Hence, my question. Not 
>>> meaning to delve into if/to what extent this is all whacky. Please respond 
>>> off list if you feel inclined. Grin. I’m just wondering what the collective 
>>> knowledge of this august body knows about the intersection of biology and 
>>> metallurgy. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>>
>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.