Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Doug H.]

Thanks for the quick response. I'm looking forward to dynamo and no more 
charging batteries! Except for my Wabi which may end up with dynamo too.
Doug

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 2:21:41 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Hi! The Edelux light was dim and by the time that I got it in the shop, it 
> was dead. I got a replacement and it’s been fine ever since.
>
> On May 23, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I am reviving this old post just to see if the Edelux light was the 
> culprit? I am installing Dynamo on my Clem currently (Thanks Roberta for 
> the B Taillight!). I ordered a B headlight so won't be using the Edelux 
> but want to know about Leah's issue resolution.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 12:36:15 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if this was mentioned anywhere but for SON hubs it is 
>> important to not put much grease on the skewer otherwise the hub can 
>> malfunction:
>>
>>  "A lot of grease on a 5mm or 15mm skewer may block the pressure 
>> compensation system. Nevertheless, to avoid corrosion, we recommend a 
>> slight film of oil or grease; best idea will be applying some spray wax. In 
>> any case contact areas at screw head and thread need some grease". 
>>
>> Most mechanics grease hub skewers generously.
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:47:02 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I can see the virtues of dynamo lighting but I'm still rocking the 
>>> portable rechargeable ones on my ride. All the wiring and contact points 
>>> and all that would complicate my bike too much. I hope you get it resolved 
>>> Leah. Your bike is awesome-sauce!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Andy, yes, this is the hard stuff!  It’s freeing knowing I could ride 
 at any time and not worry about lighting. In college I had bottle- 
 on-wheel 
 generator system. Talk about drag!  Still, I always had working light. 

 Peter White and Analog come thru with their “legendary” customer 
 service. 

 Roberta


 On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:08:44 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

>  "I can’t exactly go without one."
>
> Generator hubs and LED lighting will do this to you. They are the hard 
> stuff, no gateway necessary.
>
> I'll be enjoying my SON dynamo and Luxos B/Pixeo lights riding to and 
> from work today, concentrating on being thankful for the gift of their 
> functions. They cleared my thoughts for my new bike which is a SON SL 
> with 
> Edelux II and Compass tail light. I would be hard pressed to depart 
> from making my own light. Night riding, even when dictated by commuting 
> to 
> work, is great!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>>
>>
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last 
>> year was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the 
>> whole 
>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and 
>> sturdy. 
>> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
>> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
>> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
>> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This 
>> is 
>> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike 
>> up 
>> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>>
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>>
>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it 
>> will be worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. 
>> Once 
>> the bike is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of 
>> use, but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) 
>> (just a guess)
>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, 
>> It's easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  
>> Typically when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop 
>> and 
>> get mini R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn 
>> site easier and also cutting/soldering.
>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>> really be an issue 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Hi! The Edelux light was dim and by the time that I got it in the shop, it was 
dead. I got a replacement and it’s been fine ever since.

> On May 23, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
> 
> I am reviving this old post just to see if the Edelux light was the culprit? 
> I am installing Dynamo on my Clem currently (Thanks Roberta for the B 
> Taillight!). I ordered a B headlight so won't be using the Edelux but want 
> to know about Leah's issue resolution.
> Thanks,
> Doug
> 
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 12:36:15 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this was mentioned anywhere but for SON hubs it is important 
>> to not put much grease on the skewer otherwise the hub can malfunction:
>> 
>>  "A lot of grease on a 5mm or 15mm skewer may block the pressure 
>> compensation system. Nevertheless, to avoid corrosion, we recommend a slight 
>> film of oil or grease; best idea will be applying some spray wax. In any 
>> case contact areas at screw head and thread need some grease". 
>> 
>> Most mechanics grease hub skewers generously.
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:47:02 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>> I can see the virtues of dynamo lighting but I'm still rocking the portable 
>>> rechargeable ones on my ride. All the wiring and contact points and all 
>>> that would complicate my bike too much. I hope you get it resolved Leah. 
>>> Your bike is awesome-sauce!
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
 Andy, yes, this is the hard stuff!  It’s freeing knowing I could ride at 
 any time and not worry about lighting. In college I had bottle- on-wheel 
 generator system. Talk about drag!  Still, I always had working light. 
 
 Peter White and Analog come thru with their “legendary” customer service. 
 
 Roberta
 
 
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:08:44 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>  "I can’t exactly go without one."
> 
> Generator hubs and LED lighting will do this to you. They are the hard 
> stuff, no gateway necessary.
> 
> I'll be enjoying my SON dynamo and Luxos B/Pixeo lights riding to and 
> from work today, concentrating on being thankful for the gift of their 
> functions. They cleared my thoughts for my new bike which is a SON SL 
> with Edelux II and Compass tail light. I would be hard pressed to depart 
> from making my own light. Night riding, even when dictated by commuting 
> to work, is great!
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> 
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>> 
>> 
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
>> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and 
>> sturdy. The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub 
>> is the issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. 
>> Like there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with 
>> the switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. 
>> This is exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked 
>> the bike up and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>> 
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
 
>>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>> 
>>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will 
>>> be worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once 
>>> the bike is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
>>> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) 
>>> (just a guess)
>>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, 
>>> It's easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  
>>> Typically when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop 
>>> and get mini R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a 
>>> darn site easier and also cutting/soldering.
>>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as 
>>> the front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think 
>>> typically there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick 
>>> connect 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Doug H.]

I am reviving this old post just to see if the Edelux light was the 
culprit? I am installing Dynamo on my Clem currently (Thanks Roberta for 
the B Taillight!). I ordered a B headlight so won't be using the Edelux 
but want to know about Leah's issue resolution.
Thanks,
Doug

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 12:36:15 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:

> I'm not sure if this was mentioned anywhere but for SON hubs it is 
> important to not put much grease on the skewer otherwise the hub can 
> malfunction:
>
>  "A lot of grease on a 5mm or 15mm skewer may block the pressure 
> compensation system. Nevertheless, to avoid corrosion, we recommend a 
> slight film of oil or grease; best idea will be applying some spray wax. In 
> any case contact areas at screw head and thread need some grease". 
>
> Most mechanics grease hub skewers generously.
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:47:02 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I can see the virtues of dynamo lighting but I'm still rocking the 
>> portable rechargeable ones on my ride. All the wiring and contact points 
>> and all that would complicate my bike too much. I hope you get it resolved 
>> Leah. Your bike is awesome-sauce!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Andy, yes, this is the hard stuff!  It’s freeing knowing I could ride at 
>>> any time and not worry about lighting. In college I had bottle- on-wheel 
>>> generator system. Talk about drag!  Still, I always had working light. 
>>>
>>> Peter White and Analog come thru with their “legendary” customer 
>>> service. 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:08:44 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
  "I can’t exactly go without one."

 Generator hubs and LED lighting will do this to you. They are the hard 
 stuff, no gateway necessary.

 I'll be enjoying my SON dynamo and Luxos B/Pixeo lights riding to and 
 from work today, concentrating on being thankful for the gift of their 
 functions. They cleared my thoughts for my new bike which is a SON SL with 
 Edelux II and Compass tail light. I would be hard pressed to depart 
 from making my own light. Night riding, even when dictated by commuting to 
 work, is great!

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Update: it’s the light. 
>
>
> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last 
> year was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the 
> whole 
> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and 
> sturdy. 
> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>
> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>
> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>
> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will 
> be worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the 
> bike is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of 
> use, but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) 
> (just a guess)
> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, 
> It's easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  
> Typically when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop 
> and 
> get mini R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn 
> site easier and also cutting/soldering.
> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick 
> connect plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  
> are really fiddley!
> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on 
> while the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because 
> I 
> leave mine on all the time!
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Mr. Ray]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned anywhere but for SON hubs it is 
important to not put much grease on the skewer otherwise the hub can 
malfunction:

 "A lot of grease on a 5mm or 15mm skewer may block the pressure 
compensation system. Nevertheless, to avoid corrosion, we recommend a 
slight film of oil or grease; best idea will be applying some spray wax. In 
any case contact areas at screw head and thread need some grease". 

Most mechanics grease hub skewers generously.
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:47:02 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I can see the virtues of dynamo lighting but I'm still rocking the 
> portable rechargeable ones on my ride. All the wiring and contact points 
> and all that would complicate my bike too much. I hope you get it resolved 
> Leah. Your bike is awesome-sauce!
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Andy, yes, this is the hard stuff!  It’s freeing knowing I could ride at 
>> any time and not worry about lighting. In college I had bottle- on-wheel 
>> generator system. Talk about drag!  Still, I always had working light. 
>>
>> Peter White and Analog come thru with their “legendary” customer service. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:08:44 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>>  "I can’t exactly go without one."
>>>
>>> Generator hubs and LED lighting will do this to you. They are the hard 
>>> stuff, no gateway necessary.
>>>
>>> I'll be enjoying my SON dynamo and Luxos B/Pixeo lights riding to and 
>>> from work today, concentrating on being thankful for the gift of their 
>>> functions. They cleared my thoughts for my new bike which is a SON SL with 
>>> Edelux II and Compass tail light. I would be hard pressed to depart 
>>> from making my own light. Night riding, even when dictated by commuting to 
>>> work, is great!
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Update: it’s the light. 


 The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
 was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
 system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and 
 sturdy. 
 The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
 issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
 there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
 switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
 exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
 and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.

 I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
 just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:

 I'll weigh in a on a few things

 Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
 Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will 
 be worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the 
 bike is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
 Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
 but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
 Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) 
 (just a guess)
 JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, 
 It's easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  
 Typically when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop 
 and 
 get mini R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn 
 site easier and also cutting/soldering.
 Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
 really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
 front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
 there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
 I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick 
 connect plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  
 are really fiddley!
 Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on 
 while the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because 
 I 
 leave mine on all the time!

 FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal 
 of ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
 light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
 owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
 it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
 currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Doug H.]

I can see the virtues of dynamo lighting but I'm still rocking the portable 
rechargeable ones on my ride. All the wiring and contact points and all 
that would complicate my bike too much. I hope you get it resolved Leah. 
Your bike is awesome-sauce!
Doug

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Andy, yes, this is the hard stuff!  It’s freeing knowing I could ride at 
> any time and not worry about lighting. In college I had bottle- on-wheel 
> generator system. Talk about drag!  Still, I always had working light. 
>
> Peter White and Analog come thru with their “legendary” customer service. 
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:08:44 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>>  "I can’t exactly go without one."
>>
>> Generator hubs and LED lighting will do this to you. They are the hard 
>> stuff, no gateway necessary.
>>
>> I'll be enjoying my SON dynamo and Luxos B/Pixeo lights riding to and 
>> from work today, concentrating on being thankful for the gift of their 
>> functions. They cleared my thoughts for my new bike which is a SON SL with 
>> Edelux II and Compass tail light. I would be hard pressed to depart from 
>> making my own light. Night riding, even when dictated by commuting to work, 
>> is great!
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Update: it’s the light. 
>>>
>>>
>>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
>>> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
>>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
>>> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
>>> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
>>> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
>>> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
>>> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
>>> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>>>
>>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>>>
>>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will 
>>> be worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the 
>>> bike is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
>>> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just 
>>> a guess)
>>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>>> and also cutting/soldering.
>>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick 
>>> connect plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  
>>> are really fiddley!
>>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>>> mine on all the time!
>>>
>>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal 
>>> of ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Roberta]

Andy, yes, this is the hard stuff!  It’s freeing knowing I could ride at 
any time and not worry about lighting. In college I had bottle- on-wheel 
generator system. Talk about drag!  Still, I always had working light. 

Peter White and Analog come thru with their “legendary” customer service. 

Roberta


On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:08:44 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

>  "I can’t exactly go without one."
>
> Generator hubs and LED lighting will do this to you. They are the hard 
> stuff, no gateway necessary.
>
> I'll be enjoying my SON dynamo and Luxos B/Pixeo lights riding to and from 
> work today, concentrating on being thankful for the gift of their 
> functions. They cleared my thoughts for my new bike which is a SON SL with 
> Edelux II and Compass tail light. I would be hard pressed to depart from 
> making my own light. Night riding, even when dictated by commuting to work, 
> is great!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>>
>>
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
>> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
>> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
>> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
>> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
>> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
>> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
>> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>>
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>>
>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
>> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
>> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
>> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just 
>> a guess)
>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>> and also cutting/soldering.
>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
>> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
>> fiddley!
>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>> mine on all the time!
>>
>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal 
>> of ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[George Schick]

Yikes!  I didn't realize we'd ever had an unpleasant exchange of which you 
needed to be wary.  Are you sure you're not getting me confused with 
someone else?  In any case, yes I thought the bike would have to go back to 
the shop for mounting of the headset bracket and moving the wiring, 
accordingly.

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> George, if I’ve had an unpleasant exchange with someone I tend to be wary. 
> Thanks for clarifying that you’re asking in good faith. Yes, the bike will 
> go back to the shop. I’m hardly a light-mounting and wiring expert. Even if 
> I did have a nice long talk with the great Peter White this morning. Maybe 
> in 20 years I could hope to scratch the surface of what he knows!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:14 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> I ask because I'm "Curious George!"  Since Peter spec'd a headset mount, 
> that means taking off the bars/stem, unscrewing the headset lock nut, and 
> installing the mount in place of a spacer.  Then, the process is reversed, 
> but it will mean playing around with the headset adjustable nut and the 
> lock nut in order to achieve proper movement of the fork - not too tight 
> and not too loose.  Not sure if you have the spanners and flat wrenches to 
> do that.
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 1:55:56 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Why do you ask?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:54 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Does this mean that the bike has to go back to the LBS one more time in 
>> order to get that headset mount installed?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems 
>>> now than I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone 
>>> (especially Peter White) for sharing their expertise with me. 
>>>
>>> Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working 
>>> light soon, and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop 
>>> anymore. All will be well.
>>>
>>> Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial 
>>> to have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B 
>>> mount that attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my 
>>> fork crown mount (something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and this 
>>> new mount eliminates that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming my way 
>>> soon. So happy. So relieved. 
>>>
>>> Thanks again, All.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to 
>>> work, stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation 
>>> of the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to 
>>> have changed.
>>>
>>> Leah, call me, please.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
 now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
 wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
 all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
 lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
 daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 

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 I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
 few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of 
 those 
 have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

George, if I’ve had an unpleasant exchange with someone I tend to be wary. 
Thanks for clarifying that you’re asking in good faith. Yes, the bike will go 
back to the shop. I’m hardly a light-mounting and wiring expert. Even if I did 
have a nice long talk with the great Peter White this morning. Maybe in 20 
years I could hope to scratch the surface of what he knows!
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:14 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> I ask because I'm "Curious George!"  Since Peter spec'd a headset mount, 
> that means taking off the bars/stem, unscrewing the headset lock nut, and 
> installing the mount in place of a spacer.  Then, the process is reversed, 
> but it will mean playing around with the headset adjustable nut and the lock 
> nut in order to achieve proper movement of the fork - not too tight and not 
> too loose.  Not sure if you have the spanners and flat wrenches to do that.
> 
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 1:55:56 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> Why do you ask?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:54 AM, George Schick  wrote:
 
>>> Does this mean that the bike has to go back to the LBS one more time in 
>>> order to get that headset mount installed?
>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems now 
 than I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone 
 (especially Peter White) for sharing their expertise with me. 
 
 Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working light 
 soon, and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop anymore. 
 All will be well.
 
 Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial 
 to have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B 
 mount that attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my 
 fork crown mount (something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and 
 this new mount eliminates that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming 
 my way soon. So happy. So relieved. 
 
 Thanks again, All.
 Leah
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>> 
> 
 
> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work, 
> stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of 
> the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to 
> have changed.
> 
> Leah, call me, please.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and 
>> broad daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>> 
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>> 
 On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of 
>>> those have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I 
>>> think the notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I 
>>> don’t think those wear in.
>>> 
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these 
 things: Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? 
 Like they're extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than 
 other dynos? 
 
 Joe Bernard
 
> On 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[George Schick]

I ask because I'm "Curious George!"  Since Peter spec'd a headset mount, 
that means taking off the bars/stem, unscrewing the headset lock nut, and 
installing the mount in place of a spacer.  Then, the process is reversed, 
but it will mean playing around with the headset adjustable nut and the 
lock nut in order to achieve proper movement of the fork - not too tight 
and not too loose.  Not sure if you have the spanners and flat wrenches to 
do that.

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 1:55:56 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Why do you ask?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:54 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Does this mean that the bike has to go back to the LBS one more time in 
> order to get that headset mount installed?
>
>
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems now 
>> than I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone 
>> (especially Peter White) for sharing their expertise with me. 
>>
>> Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working light 
>> soon, and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop anymore. 
>> All will be well.
>>
>> Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial 
>> to have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B 
>> mount that attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my 
>> fork crown mount (something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and this 
>> new mount eliminates that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming my way 
>> soon. So happy. So relieved. 
>>
>> Thanks again, All.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work, 
>> stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of 
>> the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to 
>> have changed.
>>
>> Leah, call me, please.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
 nighttime trails! 

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

I believe it's a taller mount in the same spot at the hole in the fork. 
Which would be simple enough to do at home by itself, but the headlight 
needs to be mounted and wired up at the LBS, too. 

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:54:03 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Does this mean that the bike has to go back to the LBS one more time in 
> order to get that headset mount installed?
>
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems now 
>> than I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone 
>> (especially Peter White) for sharing their expertise with me. 
>>
>> Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working light 
>> soon, and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop anymore. 
>> All will be well.
>>
>> Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial 
>> to have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B 
>> mount that attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my 
>> fork crown mount (something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and this 
>> new mount eliminates that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming my way 
>> soon. So happy. So relieved. 
>>
>> Thanks again, All.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work, 
>> stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of 
>> the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to 
>> have changed.
>>
>> Leah, call me, please.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
 nighttime trails! 

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
 persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
> I had by a lot. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Why do you ask?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:54 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Does this mean that the bike has to go back to the LBS one more time in 
> order to get that headset mount installed?
> 
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems now 
>> than I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone 
>> (especially Peter White) for sharing their expertise with me. 
>> 
>> Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working light 
>> soon, and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop anymore. 
>> All will be well.
>> 
>> Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial to 
>> have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B mount 
>> that attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my fork 
>> crown mount (something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and this new 
>> mount eliminates that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming my way soon. 
>> So happy. So relieved. 
>> 
>> Thanks again, All.
>> Leah
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work, 
>>> stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of 
>>> the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to 
>>> have changed.
>>> 
>>> Leah, call me, please.
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
 Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
 now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
 wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
 all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
 lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
 daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
 
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of 
> those have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think 
> the notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t 
> think those wear in.
> 
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>> Leah,
>>> 
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
>>> those nighttime trails! 
>>> 
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
 I had by a lot. 
 
 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
> Leah:
> 
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[George Schick]

Does this mean that the bike has to go back to the LBS one more time in 
order to get that headset mount installed?

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems now 
> than I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone 
> (especially Peter White) for sharing their expertise with me. 
>
> Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working light 
> soon, and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop anymore. 
> All will be well.
>
> Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial 
> to have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B 
> mount that attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my 
> fork crown mount (something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and this 
> new mount eliminates that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming my way 
> soon. So happy. So relieved. 
>
> Thanks again, All.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work, 
> stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of 
> the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to 
> have changed.
>
> Leah, call me, please.
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
>
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>> those wear in.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
>>> nighttime trails! 
>>>
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
 I had by a lot. 


 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

This is good news! I like good things! 拾 

Joe "less gnashing, more joy" Bernard

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:29:51 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems now 
> than I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone 
> (especially Peter White) for sharing their expertise with me. 
>
> Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working light 
> soon, and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop anymore. 
> All will be well.
>
> Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial 
> to have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B 
> mount that attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my 
> fork crown mount (something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and this 
> new mount eliminates that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming my way 
> soon. So happy. So relieved. 
>
> Thanks again, All.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work, 
> stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of 
> the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to 
> have changed.
>
> Leah, call me, please.
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
>
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>> those wear in.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
>>> nighttime trails! 
>>>
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
 I had by a lot. 


 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

It’s time for a finale to this saga. I know more about dynamo systems now than 
I did before, and that’s worth something. Thanks to everyone (especially Peter 
White) for sharing their expertise with me. 

Peter White and Analog will have me back on the road with a working light soon, 
and I won’t be weeping in the parking lot of the bike shop anymore. All will be 
well.

Something of note, for other Platypus owners. You may find it beneficial to 
have a mount that elevates your light a bit. Peter is sending a B mount that 
attaches at the headset. There’s a very sizable shadow from my fork crown mount 
(something about the geo/slant of the head tube), and this new mount eliminates 
that. So, brighter light with NO shadow coming my way soon. So happy. So 
relieved. 

Thanks again, All.
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:09 AM, Peter White  wrote:
> 
> 
> Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work, 
> stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of the 
> wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to have 
> changed.
> 
> Leah, call me, please.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I now 
>> wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect wiring 
>> other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said all the 
>> connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got lights. I 
>> saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad daylight I 
>> thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>> 
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>> 
 On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a few 
>>> revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>> 
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
 SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
 stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
 
 Joe Bernard
 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
> Leah,
> 
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
> those nighttime trails! 
> 
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>> had by a lot. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>> Leah:
>>> 
>>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Peter White]

Reversing the wheel, by itself, cannot possibly cause the lights to work,
stop working, work differently, work better or worse. The orientation of
the wheel with that hub is absolutely irrelevant. Something else had to
have changed.

Leah, call me, please.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
> those wear in.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>> nighttime trails!
>>
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I
>>> had by a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Leah:

 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[ascpgh]

 "I can’t exactly go without one."

Generator hubs and LED lighting will do this to you. They are the hard 
stuff, no gateway necessary.

I'll be enjoying my SON dynamo and Luxos B/Pixeo lights riding to and from 
work today, concentrating on being thankful for the gift of their 
functions. They cleared my thoughts for my new bike which is a SON SL with 
Edelux II and Compass tail light. I would be hard pressed to depart from 
making my own light. Night riding, even when dictated by commuting to work, 
is great!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:27:40 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Update: it’s the light. 
>
>
> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>
> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m just 
> ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>
> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>
> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
> guess)
> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
> and also cutting/soldering.
> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
> fiddley!
> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
> mine on all the time!
>
> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
> ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Peter Adler]

Edeluxes (of all generations) are LED lights. I don't know of any light 
manufacturer who uses the same model name for both LED and non-LED models. 
I'd be hard-pressed these days to name any name-brand bike light 
manufacturer who makes anything except LED lights.

As with any electrical circuit, component failure is always possible. The 
first thing to check is always the cables, because they're the most likely 
points of failure; but they're not the only ones.

Peter "can you...see the...brand new day?" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 6:18:47 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> I assume SON, like everyone else nowadays, is using LED lighting.  These 
> require circuitry other than just a pair of wires running to a battery or a 
> dynamo to provide the correct voltage to the diodes such as semiconductors 
> to amplify and/or limit the voltage levels.  If there is a failure in the 
> semiconductors in that light, you will get the kind of flickering or 
> intermittent illumination described.  I have a few lights in my 
> refrigerator that flicker like that and my electrical engineer son ensures 
> me that it's a problem with a circuit board somewhere in the fridge.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[George Schick]

I assume SON, like everyone else nowadays, is using LED lighting.  These 
require circuitry other than just a pair of wires running to a battery or a 
dynamo to provide the correct voltage to the diodes such as semiconductors 
to amplify and/or limit the voltage levels.  If there is a failure in the 
semiconductors in that light, you will get the kind of flickering or 
intermittent illumination described.  I have a few lights in my 
refrigerator that flicker like that and my electrical engineer son ensures 
me that it's a problem with a circuit board somewhere in the fridge.
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:32:42 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was hoping but I haven’t heard anything. I would just order it but I’m 
> sure there’s other parts I need for the wiring and i don’t know what they 
> are
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, 
> then let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>>
>>
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
>> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
>> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
>> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
>> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
>> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
>> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
>> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>>
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>>
>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
>> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
>> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
>> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just 
>> a guess)
>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>> and also cutting/soldering.
>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
>> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
>> fiddley!
>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>> mine on all the time!
>>
>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal 
>> of ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

This dang light! The one they have says 'bare wire' and you already have 
the coaxial thing they sell so you should be good to go with just swapping 
the lamps and the shop will plug the wires in. Let's hope Analog says "Yep, 
what Joe said!" 

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:32:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was hoping but I haven’t heard anything. I would just order it but I’m 
> sure there’s other parts I need for the wiring and i don’t know what they 
> are
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, 
> then let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>>
>>
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
>> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
>> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
>> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
>> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
>> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
>> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
>> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>>
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>>
>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
>> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
>> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
>> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just 
>> a guess)
>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>> and also cutting/soldering.
>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
>> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
>> fiddley!
>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>> mine on all the time!
>>
>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal 
>> of ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

I was hoping but I haven’t heard anything. I would just order it but I’m sure 
there’s other parts I need for the wiring and i don’t know what they are

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, then 
> let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>> 
>> 
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year was 
>> working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole system, 
>> ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. The rear 
>> tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the issue. He 
>> feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like there’s a short 
>> in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the switch and was able 
>> to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is exactly what happened 
>> for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up and spun the wheel 
>> myself, the headlight did not light up.
>> 
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m just 
>> ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
 
>>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>> 
>>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
>>> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
>>> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, but 
>>> it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
>>> guess)
>>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>>> and also cutting/soldering.
>>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
>>> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
>>> fiddley!
>>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>>> mine on all the time!
>>> 
>>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
>>> ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>>> 
> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, then 
let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 



On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Update: it’s the light. 
>
>
> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>
> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m just 
> ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>
> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>
> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
> guess)
> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
> and also cutting/soldering.
> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
> fiddley!
> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
> mine on all the time!
>
> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
> ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Update: it’s the light. 


The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year was 
working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole system, 
ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. The rear 
tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the issue. He feels 
like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like there’s a short in it or a 
loose connection. He fiddled around with the switch and was able to get the 
headlight to come on in the stand. This is exactly what happened for 
yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up and spun the wheel myself, the 
headlight did not light up.

I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m just 
ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I'll weigh in a on a few things
> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike is 
> on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, but 
> it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
> guess)
> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's easy 
> to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically when 
> joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini R/C 
> connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier and 
> also cutting/soldering.
> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't really 
> be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the front 
> light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically there's a 
> circuit in the light that does the conversion.
> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
> fiddley!
> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while the 
> wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave mine 
> on all the time!
> 
> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
> ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the light 
> (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original owner sold 
> them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but it is 
> interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am currently not 
> working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  primarily to be seen 
> and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over though I think I'll get a 
> Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but I just prefer the design and 
> the way they mount.
> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[masmojo]

I'll weigh in a on a few things
Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, but 
it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
guess)
JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
and also cutting/soldering.
Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
fiddley!
Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
mine on all the time!

FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
I just prefer the design and the way they mount.


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[RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ed Felker]

SON hubs can have internal problems. I have had two of them, disk-specific, 
same wheel, that have stopped working. 

When they did fail, it was immediately obvious due to a prominent buzzing 
noise. That noise stopped when the hub was disconnected. Both were on our 
tandem. In one case the light output was nil, the other was dim and 
flickering. 

Peter White handled both repairs without issue. He said the failure was 
something to do with the coil inside the hub. 

We have another SON on a second tandem, also disk brake, that has been 
trouble-free. 

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:01:53 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes. 
>
> 1. 52 cm Clem L with 650b wheels: Shutter Precision hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight 
>
> 2. 55 cm Platypus with 700c wheels: Schmidt SON hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight.
>
> So: same lights but different generators.
>
> SON has the votes for best dyno ever, so I went with that for my Platy, 
> but so far, it's not been as good as the SP. I know that cannot be, so 
> something must be wrong with my setup of the SON, or possibly the 
> hub/generator itself. I think it has been this way from the start; I always 
> thought the differences were due to the mounting location of the light.
>
> We had both bikes out on a family ride and the Clem's light was blindingly 
> bright - a veritable floodlight. The Platy's light appeared dim in 
> comparison, even though I was riding the Platy at a faster speed. The 
> Platy's rear light often flickers unless I am riding downhill, and the 
> Clem's does not. I've checked the connections and as best as I can tell, 
> there's nothing amiss. The Clem's headlight is front rack-mounted, and the 
> Platy uses a fork-crown mount. I did a night ride with the Platy last night 
> and was really underwhelmed by the beam. It is not the beam is blocked; it 
> appears the light is just generally dimmed.  I ride a dark path through the 
> desert where there is wilderness on one side and homes distantly located on 
> the other, no streetlights. I need good illumination; the Clem gives ample 
> lighting but I feel like I'm straining to see on my Platy..
>
> Secondly, I hear something in the drivetrain or wheel set of the Platy. 
> Almost like the sound of electrical current. It is only on the Platy, never 
> the Clem. I have heard that the SON is supposed to be silent, but there is 
> definitely noise coming from the bike, but I don't know if it's the hub.
>
> I'm going to take the bike to the shop that built it and see if they can 
> figure out the noise and the dim light. If you have any words of wisdom or 
> direction I could point them in, please let me know here. 
>
> Things I have considered:
> 1. Does the wheel size affect the difference in brightness? 
> 2. Does the mounting location affect the appearance of the beam? (I have 
> tilted the Platy light this way and that so the beam doesn't fall on the 
> front wheel, but no real difference was noted.)
> 3. Maybe there is some tension on the wires somehow?
>
> 
> Don't read past here if you don't want to be subjected to my angst. It is 
> cathartic to talk to bike people about bike woes; no one else understands.
>
> I dread taking the bike in and presenting them with some obscure issues 
> (What is this noise? Don't you hear it? Well, it's not doing it right NOW, 
> but... My light is not bright enough! Can't you make it brighter?!) Most 
> shops in Vegas don't know a thing about dyno; it took my LBS considerable 
> time to suss out how to do it. So, I fear that the bike will come back to 
> me in the same state and I will be slowly driven crazy by the sounds and 
> the inferior lighting. Also, the Platy is special and I am overly attached 
> to it. When things aren't right with it I am all sackcloth and ashes, 
> wailing and gnashing of teeth over here.
> ***
> Thanks for your insight!
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Roberta]

Leah,

You have the exact same (except for the color) headlight on your Clem L.  
Could you take both bikes to the shop and swap headlights--or at least put 
the Clem L headlight on the Platy, even if it is just to test?  That way 
you'll be sure to rule in or rule out the headlight.

Roberta

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 11:16:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight works. 
> I wanted so badly for this to be the solution…
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff 
> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to 
> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me 
> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
> switch is in. 
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose 
>> connecter.
>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
 nighttime trails! 

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
 persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
> I had by a lot. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

I changed my mind, the whole schlamozzle needs to go back to Analog. The 
hub isn't right, the headlight isn't right, and you're going to have the 
shop detach the headlght from hub and bike anyway. I say have them send the 
whole wheel and light back so James or Candice can test both and see what's 
up. I realize this will be an unpopular opinion! 

Joe Bernard
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:23:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh bother! Yeah, as someone else said I think that light needs to go back. 
> Regardless of noise and notchiness at the dyno it's apparently sending 
> current, the headlight just isn't getting it. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight 
>> works. I wanted so badly for this to be the solution…
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff 
>> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to 
>> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me 
>> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
>> switch is in. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
>>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose 
>>> connecter.
>>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
 Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
 now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
 wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
 all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
 lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
 daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 

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 On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
 few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of 
 those 
 have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
 notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
 those wear in.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
 Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
 extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 

 Joe Bernard

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Leah,
>
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
> those 
> nighttime trails! 
>
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Oh bother! Yeah, as someone else said I think that light needs to go back. 
Regardless of noise and notchiness at the dyno it's apparently sending 
current, the headlight just isn't getting it. 



On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:16:26 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight works. 
> I wanted so badly for this to be the solution…
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff 
> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to 
> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me 
> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
> switch is in. 
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose 
>> connecter.
>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>>
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>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
 nighttime trails! 

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
 persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
> I had by a lot. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jay Lonner]

I was wondering the same, but if the switch were off I don't think the tail
light would come on either.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:12 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff
> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to
> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me
> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the
> switch is in.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop,
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but
>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose
>> connecter.
>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
>>>
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>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things:
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
 nighttime trails!

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
 persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one
> I had by a lot.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com
> wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight works. I 
wanted so badly for this to be the solution…

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff just 
> in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to say 
> it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me you 
> have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the switch 
> is in. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but at 
>> least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
>>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
 Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
 now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
 wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
 all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
 lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
 daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
 
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of 
> those have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think 
> the notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t 
> think those wear in.
> 
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> 
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>> Leah,
>>> 
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
>>> those nighttime trails! 
>>> 
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
 I had by a lot. 
 
 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
> Leah:
> 
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff just 
in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to say 
it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me you 
have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
switch is in. 



On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>> those wear in.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
>>> nighttime trails! 
>>>
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
 I had by a lot. 


 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
 wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Ask Peter if he would warranty the light and replace it.
He replaced a light for me when the bracket broke. He is the #1 distributer
in the USA

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:43 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop,
> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub
> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but
> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>
> 
> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
>> those wear in.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things:
>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're
>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>>> nighttime trails!
>>>
>>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one
 I had by a lot.


 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com
 wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, too. 
Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub is on the 
drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but at least the 
light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I now 
>> wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect wiring 
>> other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said all the 
>> connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got lights. I 
>> saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad daylight I 
>> thought I could still detect the headlight. 
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 On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a few 
>>> revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>> 
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
 SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
 stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
 
 Joe Bernard
 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
> Leah,
> 
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy 
> those nighttime trails! 
> 
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>> had by a lot. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>> Leah:
>>> 
>>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose connecter.
You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I
> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect
> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said
> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got
> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad
> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight.
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>
> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a
> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those
> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the
> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think
> those wear in.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>> nighttime trails!
>>
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I
>>> had by a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Leah:

 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[rltilley]

I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a few 
revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those have 
that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the notchiness is 
part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think those wear in.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>> Leah,
>> 
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
>> as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those nighttime 
>> trails! 
>> 
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
>> second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
>> Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
>> mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>>> had by a lot. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
 Leah:
 
 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Collin A]

Leah,

I (and Ben) would really recommend trying the dynamo system 1. without any
lights to see how the hib rolls and 2. without the rear light to isolate
any wiring issues.

I've had my SON hub for more than a year now and it was never as notchy or
dragy as yours (unless there was a short of the connections). I just spun
mine without too much force and it spun for about 35 seconds while the
light was connected.

Collin, isolate and solve, in Sacramento

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:54 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Eric: Yours is very quiet! But do I detect the tiniest sound? It sounds
> like my hub only mine was much louder. How long have this SON been in your
> employ?
>
> Joe: Good points, all. My SON only really has a few months of wear. The
> video I sent above was from December when I first thought the hub sounded
> and felt odd.
>
> I picked up my Platy today and it does seem that the light is more
> responsive and the wheel is quieter when spun. The drive train noise is
> gone. I’m taking the bike out with my two sons (my SON with my sons! 藍)
> and doing a night ride after dinner. I’ll have my teenager on my Clem so
> I’ll be able to compare the dyno lights between my two bikes. The mechanic
> said he also switched the tire. Or something. Something about topping off
> the sealant because of this switching, and also something about matching up
> the tread. I don’t know. I rode the bike in the parking lot and the lights
> worked and it wasn’t making off-putting noises, so I skipped my way out to
> my vehicle.
>
> We are heading out soon…I’ll report back. Thanks, everyone!
> L
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos?
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a
>> mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those
>> nighttime trails!
>>
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a
>> secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like
>> Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though
>> persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I
>>> had by a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 Leah:

 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Eric: Yours is very quiet! But do I detect the tiniest sound? It sounds like my 
hub only mine was much louder. How long have this SON been in your employ?

Joe: Good points, all. My SON only really has a few months of wear. The video I 
sent above was from December when I first thought the hub sounded and felt odd. 

I picked up my Platy today and it does seem that the light is more responsive 
and the wheel is quieter when spun. The drive train noise is gone. I’m taking 
the bike out with my two sons (my SON with my sons! 藍) and doing a night ride 
after dinner. I’ll have my teenager on my Clem so I’ll be able to compare the 
dyno lights between my two bikes. The mechanic said he also switched the tire. 
Or something. Something about topping off the sealant because of this 
switching, and also something about matching up the tread. I don’t know. I rode 
the bike in the parking lot and the lights worked and it wasn’t making 
off-putting noises, so I skipped my way out to my vehicle. 

We are heading out soon…I’ll report back. Thanks, everyone!
L

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
> SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
> stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>> Leah,
>> 
>> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
>> as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those nighttime 
>> trails! 
>> 
>> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
>> second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
>> Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
>> mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>>> had by a lot. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
 Leah:
 
 Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: Do 
SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're extra 
stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Leah,
>
> I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
> as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
> nighttime trails! 
>
> As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
> second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
> Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
> mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
>> had by a lot. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Leah:
>>>
>>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Leah,

I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a mystery 
as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
nighttime trails! 

As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a secondary 
second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like Rowing to 
Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though persumably the 
mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
> had by a lot. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one I 
had by a lot. 


On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Leah:
>
> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Naturally I didn't actually answer the question pertaining to the video. 
That sounds normal based on my memory of doing the same hand-spin on my SON 
hub. It was kind of alarming, but seemed to work fine out on the road. 



On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:44:18 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is pretty vague "don't have them anymore" memory so grab that grain 
> of salt and hope for more current real-world responses:
>
> My Dahon had some kinda generic-from-China dyno and it was sorta notchty. 
> My Cheviot had a Shimano dyno which was similar. My Atlantis (built and 
> bought from Analog) had a Schmidt SON and it was notchier than those two. 
>
> In my opinion if it rolls ok and the light is bright and the notchy noise 
> is there but not like WOW that's loud, I think you're good to go. Spinning 
> it by hand won't tell you much, they all feel notchy and don't spin long 
> compared to regular hubs, it's the 'on the ground rolling' that matters. 
> But let's hear what Peter White thinks! 
>
> Joe "sounds like he knows what he's talking about but the jury is out on 
> that" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:18:16 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light 
>> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic 
>> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and 
>> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one 
>> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when 
>> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think 
>> this is what he means. See below.
>>
>> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine 
>> in the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to 
>> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my 
>> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Patrick Moore]

Wrong wiring: I mixed up ground and power wires.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> In the few cases I've felt "notchiness" it has been because the wiring to
> the light/s was wrong. Forget exactly how, but fixing the wiring solved the
> problem.
>
> IIRC, wrong wiring also caused a "stuttering" sound in one case.
>
> FWIW.
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:18 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light
>> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic
>> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and
>> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one
>> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when
>> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think
>> this is what he means. See below.
>>
>> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine
>> in the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to
>> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my
>> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>>
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>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:20 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The
>> first was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke
>> flanges were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted
>> steel center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood
>> hubs. That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd)
>> version was smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available
>> polished and black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This
>> version could have the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the
>> core with a special tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only
>> be positioned on the right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew.
>> This is the only version that must only have the connectors on the right
>> side. The third version, the current version, can have the connectors
>> on either side, unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's
>> orientation is dictated by the location of the disc brake caliper.
>>
>> Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
>>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
>>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
>>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> SON 28!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was
>>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates.
>>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce
>>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it
>>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel
>>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20"
>>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and
>>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>>>
>>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
>>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
>>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
>>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
>>> frustrating lack of light.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

This is pretty vague "don't have them anymore" memory so grab that grain of 
salt and hope for more current real-world responses:

My Dahon had some kinda generic-from-China dyno and it was sorta notchty. 
My Cheviot had a Shimano dyno which was similar. My Atlantis (built and 
bought from Analog) had a Schmidt SON and it was notchier than those two. 

In my opinion if it rolls ok and the light is bright and the notchy noise 
is there but not like WOW that's loud, I think you're good to go. Spinning 
it by hand won't tell you much, they all feel notchy and don't spin long 
compared to regular hubs, it's the 'on the ground rolling' that matters. 
But let's hear what Peter White thinks! 

Joe "sounds like he knows what he's talking about but the jury is out on 
that" Bernard

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:18:16 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light 
> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic 
> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and 
> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one 
> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when 
> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think 
> this is what he means. See below.
>
> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine in 
> the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to 
> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my 
> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Patrick Moore]

In the few cases I've felt "notchiness" it has been because the wiring to
the light/s was wrong. Forget exactly how, but fixing the wiring solved the
problem.

IIRC, wrong wiring also caused a "stuttering" sound in one case.

FWIW.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:18 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light
> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic
> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and
> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one
> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when
> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think
> this is what he means. See below.
>
> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine in
> the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to
> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my
> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>
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>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:20 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> 
> There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The first
> was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke flanges
> were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted steel
> center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood hubs.
> That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd) version was
> smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available polished and
> black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This version could have
> the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the core with a special
> tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only be positioned on the
> right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew. This is the only
> version that must only have the connectors on the right side. The third
> version, the current version, can have the connectors on either side,
> unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's orientation is dictated
> by the location of the disc brake caliper.
>
> Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> SON 28!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was
>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates.
>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce
>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it
>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel
>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20"
>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and
>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>>
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
>> frustrating lack of light.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Jon Dukeman]

Make sure that your quick release is tight. And the axle is firmly in the
drop outs. On both sides.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Friends,
>
> One last thing. The shop called. They flipped the wheel and say the light
> is now responding really well but the wheel is still “notchy.” The mechanic
> says he has worked on dyno before, never Schmidt SON, but other dyno and
> while he remembers them being a bit stiff when spinning the wheel, this one
> is “red flag notchy.” I have this old video of me spinning the wheel when
> months ago, I was trying to find out if this was normal or not. I think
> this is what he means. See below.
>
> Anyway, can anyone with SON confirm if their front wheel acts like mine in
> the video below? We are conferring with Analog but will have to wait to
> hear back. Meanwhile, I’m anxious to get my bike back. I’ve been riding my
> Clem and it’s just not the same.
>
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> .
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:20 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>
> 
> There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The first
> was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke flanges
> were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted steel
> center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood hubs.
> That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd) version was
> smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available polished and
> black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This version could have
> the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the core with a special
> tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only be positioned on the
> right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew. This is the only
> version that must only have the connectors on the right side. The third
> version, the current version, can have the connectors on either side,
> unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's orientation is dictated
> by the location of the disc brake caliper.
>
> Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> SON 28!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was
>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates.
>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce
>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it
>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel
>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20"
>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and
>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>>
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do
>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your
>> frustrating lack of light.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Peter White]

There have been three versions of the SON hub for most bicycles. The first
was for rim brakes only, designed in the early 1990s. The spoke flanges
were polished aluminum, and they were connected by a black painted steel
center section, similar to the construction of the early Phil Wood hubs.
That version was made up until about 2003 or so. The next (2nd) version was
smaller and lighter and was all aluminum. It was available polished and
black anodized. It was also available for ISO disc. This version could have
the dynamo core and bearings removed by unscrewing the core with a special
tool. Because it can unscrew, the connectors must only be positioned on the
right side, lest vibration cause the core to unscrew. This is the only
version that must only have the connectors on the right side. The third
version, the current version, can have the connectors on either side,
unless it's a disc version, in which case the hub's orientation is dictated
by the location of the disc brake caliper.

Leah's wheel can be mounted in either orientation.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 5:14 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is
> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive
> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them
> to flip it. That’s a start.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> SON 28!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>
> 
> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically
> developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works
> fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling
> resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce
> less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a
> fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel,
> therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the
> hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness.
>
> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Oh wow, Leah!

In theory that *shouldn't* matter, I don't think. It's coaxial wire, so 
there should be minimal electrical impedance (if that were a double strand 
though, definitely no bueno). The wraps around the forks also shouldn't be 
issue (for coaxial or double). The additional resistance from the excess 
copper I'm also guessing is minimal. But again, you should try 
disconnecting the rear light in order to troubleshoot!

But Oh Man, either way, please get someone to cut that wire to somewhat of 
a proper length! It's just asking for trouble and detracts from the 
otherwise great looks! You can always leave it a bit long: this gives you 
leeway for trimming more later, moving to a different bike (unlikely in 
your case i feel :), or changing things around. There is a neat way to deal 
with excess wire by wrapping it around a thin rod (like a screw driver or 
pencil); it will retain the coil shape (especially if you apply a little 
bit of heat while doing it). The coil will act like a little slinky, but 
can be straight out later if desired.

It's funny, other than the bird's nest, the wiring doesn't actually look 
that bad. There is a nice looking grommet going into the fender, everything 
appears coaxial, and you even have the SON coaxial connector! I'd be 
interested in seeing a close up of the wiring around the fork and in the 
fender though!

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 7:04:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Joe is right - tons of wire. They were afraid to cut it/splice it/solder 
> it or whatever the correct term is. There is one guy who will do it 
> (begrudgingly) and I’d have to make an appt with him. So, it’s bunched up 
> and zip-tied near the kickstand bolt. No idea if that affects performance.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> Holy cow that's a a lot of wire. Lots of wraps around the fork, then a big 
> bundle behind the bottom bracket. Hey electricity people, would all that 
> length cause current issues going to the lights?*
>
> *I realize this is probably a really dumb question. I'm good for that! 
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> #RivSister Dorothy has it right. Poor Analog has to do what they can 
>> remotely with no frame on the premises. They nail it every time, too. The 
>> shop here in Vegas (I don’t think the young sweetheart mechanic had ever 
>> done dyno before) set it up with the wiring on the non-drive side. 
>> Honestly, if it were that simple of a fix, I’d be delighted. I called that 
>> mechanic and told him about it today; he had his reasons for setting it up 
>> on the “wrong” side - something about looking better in pictures. See? A 
>> sweetheart. 
>>
>> I suppose I never did send a photo of the bike but I’ve sent so many that 
>> I have lost track! Here are a couple of recent shots. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>
>> Ben, Analog built the wheels and did the anodizing, Leah got the frame 
>> from Riv and had the rest of the build done locally, from what I recall
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:47:12 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
>>> side its connected on.
>>>
>>> But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside 
>>> vs the other (drive vs nondrive?)
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:

 That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
 https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/

 


 But hey, it might solve it?

 Collin in Sacramento
 On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The 
> drive 
> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell 
> them 
> to flip it. That’s a start.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
>
> SON 28!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  
> wrote:
>
> 
> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will 
> introduce 
> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c 
> wheel 
> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Holy cow that's a a lot of wire. Lots of wraps around the fork, then a big 
bundle behind the bottom bracket. Hey electricity people, would all that 
length cause current issues going to the lights?*

*I realize this is probably a really dumb question. I'm good for that! 
On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:37:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> #RivSister Dorothy has it right. Poor Analog has to do what they can 
> remotely with no frame on the premises. They nail it every time, too. The 
> shop here in Vegas (I don’t think the young sweetheart mechanic had ever 
> done dyno before) set it up with the wiring on the non-drive side. 
> Honestly, if it were that simple of a fix, I’d be delighted. I called that 
> mechanic and told him about it today; he had his reasons for setting it up 
> on the “wrong” side - something about looking better in pictures. See? A 
> sweetheart. 
>
> I suppose I never did send a photo of the bike but I’ve sent so many that 
> I have lost track! Here are a couple of recent shots. 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>
> Ben, Analog built the wheels and did the anodizing, Leah got the frame 
> from Riv and had the rest of the build done locally, from what I recall
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:47:12 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
>> side its connected on.
>>
>> But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside vs 
>> the other (drive vs nondrive?)
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>>
>>> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
>>> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> But hey, it might solve it?
>>>
>>> Collin in Sacramento
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
 backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The 
 drive 
 side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
 to flip it. That’s a start.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  
 wrote:

 SON 28!



 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:

 
 Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
 technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
 While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce 
 less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
 will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel 
 with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" 
 wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation 
 and 
 the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 

 The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
 and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and 
 device 
 charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
 have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
 frustrating lack of light.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Dorothy C]

Ben, Analog built the wheels and did the anodizing, Leah got the frame from 
Riv and had the rest of the build done locally, from what I recall

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:47:12 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
> side its connected on.
>
> But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside vs 
> the other (drive vs nondrive?)
>
> Ben
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>>
>> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
>> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> But hey, it might solve it?
>>
>> Collin in Sacramento
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> SON 28!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
>>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
>>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce 
>>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
>>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel 
>>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" 
>>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and 
>>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>>>
>>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
>>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
>>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
>>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
>>> frustrating lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Hm, I seem to recall the movies being really dark, too dark to see which 
side its connected on.

But didn't Analog wire it up? With the connector wire being on oneside vs 
the other (drive vs nondrive?)

Ben

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:24:34 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
>
> 
>
>
> But hey, it might solve it?
>
> Collin in Sacramento
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> SON 28!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was 
>> technically developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. 
>> While it works fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce 
>> less pedalling resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it 
>> will produce less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel 
>> with a fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" 
>> wheel, therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and 
>> the hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>>
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
>> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
>> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
>> frustrating lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Don’t take this from me, Collin! 藍

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
> https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
> 
> 
> 
> But hey, it might solve it?
> 
> Collin in Sacramento
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
>> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
>> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
>> to flip it. That’s a start.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
>>> SON 28!
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
> 
 
 Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
 developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
 fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
 resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce 
 less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a 
 fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, 
 therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the 
 hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
 
 The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
 and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and 
 device charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Collin A]

That shouldn't matter for the Son Dynamos. Per their FAQ page:
https://nabendynamo.de/en/service/faqs/
[image: Capture.PNG]

But hey, it might solve it?

Collin in Sacramento
On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 2:14:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is 
> backwards. The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive 
> side. I can’t believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them 
> to flip it. That’s a start.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> SON 28!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>
> 
> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
> developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
> fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
> resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce 
> less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a 
> fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, 
> therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the 
> hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>
> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels 
> and situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
> have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
> frustrating lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Interesting catch by Analog, after reviewing the photo: the wheel is backwards. 
The connector for the hub should be on the right side. The drive side. I can’t 
believe none of us noticed! I’ll call the shop and tell them to flip it. That’s 
a start.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:34 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> SON 28!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
>> developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
>> fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
>> resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce less 
>> wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a fattish tire 
>> will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, therefore 
>> producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the hub will be 
>> hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
>> 
>> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels and 
>> situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
>> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do have 
>> the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your frustrating 
>> lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

SON 28!

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> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:20 PM, brian tester  wrote:
> 
> 
> Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
> developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
> fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
> resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce less 
> wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a fattish tire 
> will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, therefore 
> producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the hub will be 
> hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 
> 
> The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels and 
> situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
> charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do have 
> the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your frustrating 
> lack of light.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[brian tester]

Is the hub a SON Delux or a SON28? I ask because the Delux was technically 
developed for 20" wheel bikes, with higher rotation rates. While it works 
fine built into a larger diameter wheel (and will introduce less pedalling 
resitance and will weigh slightly less than the SON28,) it will produce 
less wattage as the the wheel diameter grows. So a 700c wheel with a 
fattish tire will make fewer rotations per foot than an ideal 20" wheel, 
therefore producing less watts. Add a tail light to the equation and the 
hub will be hard-pressed to bring the headlight to full brightness. 

The SON28, on the other hand, is recommended for larger diameter wheels and 
situations involving additional lighting, i.e. a tail light, and device 
charging via USB. Probably not exactly what you want to hear, if you do 
have the SON Delux, but it could go a long way toward explaining your 
frustrating lack of light.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

"I don’t have SON or SP hub but a shimano. I’ve used the same wheel on two 
different bikes and feel there is some difference in the feel of the same 
hub between the two bikes. I am much more likely to feel a bit of vibration 
on the Atlantis at certain speeds than I am with the same wheel on my Trek. 
Maybe sound too. Why? I don’t know, just saying - different fork, stem, 
bars etc."

That's an interesting data point, Bill. Those Clems (Leah's other and 
quieter bike) are thick-walled cruisers that seem to pick up any 
noise/vibration from the road and spit it back out with the rider utterly 
unaware of all that drama. I'll bet the lighter/thinner-walled tubes of the 
Platypus are more prone to broadcasting noise and vibration coming from the 
pavement and moving parts on the frame. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 6:12:22 AM UTC-7 Bill Schairer wrote:

> Along the lines of adjusting beam, i keep tweaking mine until I get what I 
> want then, in a dark garage, I walk the bike towards a wall to see where 
> the cutoff line is that Peter talks about.  For my conditions, I think I 
> like that line to be maybe 3-4 feet up the wall.  But, try that with the 
> two bikes and see how they compare that way and adjust accordingly.  That 
> may also be a more accurate way of judging light intensity?
>
>  I  don’t have SON or SP hub but a shimano.  I’ve used the same wheel on 
> two different bikes and feel there is some difference in the feel of the 
> same hub between the two bikes. I am much more likely to feel a bit of 
> vibration on the Atlantis at certain speeds than I am with the same wheel 
>  on my Trek.  Maybe sound too.  Why?  I don’t know, just saying - different 
> fork, stem, bars etc.
>
> As for noise, there is so much wind noise etc in the one video I listened 
> to that I couldn’t pick out anything in particular.  That said, I can’t 
> remember what kind of fenders you have on the two bikes but I once mounted 
> some metal Honjo’s on my Trek and I swear that rear fender was like a 
> whisper disk transmitting and seemingly magnifying every sound of the drive 
> train to my ears.  I removed those, sold them and installed plastic 
> fenders.  Maybe not as pretty but much quieter! Just another thing to maybe 
> consider.
>
> At the end of the day, it may just be that everything about the C makes it 
> a better in the dark ride than the P?  Sometimes that happens.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:34:24 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Leah, that'd be so cool if you could just bike over and we could put it 
>> up in the stand for troubleshooting! I'd be all for that!
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 6:02:27 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'll use right/left, which is actually how I think about it when I'm not 
>>> trying to sound like a smart guy who knows bike words. When you push the 
>>> front shifter all the way to the hardest gear up front, it's pushing the 
>>> derailer to the right as you're looking down at it. In that hard/hard gear 
>>> front/back the chain is furthest over to the right, too. I think your front 
>>> derailer isn't moving any further right to clear the chain, it's hitting a 
>>> limit. That limit can be adjusted out so the derailer moves right a smidge 
>>> more. Does that make sense? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is exactly what I do. However, I know about trimming derailleurs 
 and so even when I nudge the front derailleur I cannot stop the chatter. 
 So, what can that mean? But it does go away in other gears. I’m stuck with 
 chatter in the HARD-HARD. (Leahspeak for whatever those gears are called. 
 I 
 have no idea which one is “high” and which one is “low.” I know hard and 
 easy.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't 
 traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup 
 like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like 
 index: 
 all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think 
 she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. 
 Smartbrain 



 On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:11:53 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound 
> as Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface 
> and is higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and 
> with headphones, eyes closed. 
>
> The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What 
> does what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 
>
> If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, 
> or ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside 

[RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Collin A]

I'm late to the party, but this is eerily similar to what happened on my 
Partner's AHH when I switched lights to the edelux (after it didn't work as 
well as I'd hoped for trails on my bike)!

Edelux is finicky with tailights in that you need to get the polarity right 
(- on the TL to the flat grounding spade -flat piece with a hole in it- on 
the HL, and then + to +). Ben's test of removing the connections to the TL 
from the HL should help with that, but its key to remove the connections 
from the HL! If that fixes the issue, then you'll need to wire the TL the 
correct way to fix itThis was on the SP hub. Also, I'm sure you checked 
this, but make sure the lights are on the 'always on' setting, could be the 
light sensor is dirty or something.

The noise and extra resistance you mention also occurred on my bike with 
the SON hub, and usually was triggered from a little bit of moisture from 
rain/wet roads seeping into the connection from hub to HL wire. For 
whatever reason, when I installed the fittings I goofed and found there was 
a loose wire and that ended up shorting the circuit from time-to-time and 
was eventually fixed by pulling it apart and reinstalling the connectors 
with a bit more patience. Then sealing it with epoxy before wrapping the 
whole thing in heat shrink. All this to say, it was a poor connection 
between the light and hub that contributed to that resistance (when the 
light was on and connected). Bill's comment about fitting the light to the 
Shimano hub should* also work to separate the light/dynamo issues.

The key with this kind of troubleshooting (as others have mentioned) is to 
test each part by itself as much as you can and then isolate where the 
issues are coming from. And taking notes!

Good luck, I know this can be incredibly frustrating!
Collin in Pedal Powered Sacramento.

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:01:53 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes. 
>
> 1. 52 cm Clem L with 650b wheels: Shutter Precision hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight 
>
> 2. 55 cm Platypus with 700c wheels: Schmidt SON hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight.
>
> So: same lights but different generators.
>
> SON has the votes for best dyno ever, so I went with that for my Platy, 
> but so far, it's not been as good as the SP. I know that cannot be, so 
> something must be wrong with my setup of the SON, or possibly the 
> hub/generator itself. I think it has been this way from the start; I always 
> thought the differences were due to the mounting location of the light.
>
> We had both bikes out on a family ride and the Clem's light was blindingly 
> bright - a veritable floodlight. The Platy's light appeared dim in 
> comparison, even though I was riding the Platy at a faster speed. The 
> Platy's rear light often flickers unless I am riding downhill, and the 
> Clem's does not. I've checked the connections and as best as I can tell, 
> there's nothing amiss. The Clem's headlight is front rack-mounted, and the 
> Platy uses a fork-crown mount. I did a night ride with the Platy last night 
> and was really underwhelmed by the beam. It is not the beam is blocked; it 
> appears the light is just generally dimmed.  I ride a dark path through the 
> desert where there is wilderness on one side and homes distantly located on 
> the other, no streetlights. I need good illumination; the Clem gives ample 
> lighting but I feel like I'm straining to see on my Platy..
>
> Secondly, I hear something in the drivetrain or wheel set of the Platy. 
> Almost like the sound of electrical current. It is only on the Platy, never 
> the Clem. I have heard that the SON is supposed to be silent, but there is 
> definitely noise coming from the bike, but I don't know if it's the hub.
>
> I'm going to take the bike to the shop that built it and see if they can 
> figure out the noise and the dim light. If you have any words of wisdom or 
> direction I could point them in, please let me know here. 
>
> Things I have considered:
> 1. Does the wheel size affect the difference in brightness? 
> 2. Does the mounting location affect the appearance of the beam? (I have 
> tilted the Platy light this way and that so the beam doesn't fall on the 
> front wheel, but no real difference was noted.)
> 3. Maybe there is some tension on the wires somehow?
>
> 
> Don't read past here if you don't want to be subjected to my angst. It is 
> cathartic to talk to bike people about bike woes; no one else understands.
>
> I dread taking the bike in and presenting them with some obscure issues 
> (What is this noise? Don't you hear it? Well, it's not doing it right NOW, 
> but... My light is not bright enough! Can't you make it brighter?!) Most 
> shops in Vegas don't know a thing about dyno; it took my LBS considerable 
> time to suss out how to do 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Bill Schairer]

Along the lines of adjusting beam, i keep tweaking mine until I get what I 
want then, in a dark garage, I walk the bike towards a wall to see where 
the cutoff line is that Peter talks about.  For my conditions, I think I 
like that line to be maybe 3-4 feet up the wall.  But, try that with the 
two bikes and see how they compare that way and adjust accordingly.  That 
may also be a more accurate way of judging light intensity?

 I  don’t have SON or SP hub but a shimano.  I’ve used the same wheel on 
two different bikes and feel there is some difference in the feel of the 
same hub between the two bikes. I am much more likely to feel a bit of 
vibration on the Atlantis at certain speeds than I am with the same wheel 
 on my Trek.  Maybe sound too.  Why?  I don’t know, just saying - different 
fork, stem, bars etc.

As for noise, there is so much wind noise etc in the one video I listened 
to that I couldn’t pick out anything in particular.  That said, I can’t 
remember what kind of fenders you have on the two bikes but I once mounted 
some metal Honjo’s on my Trek and I swear that rear fender was like a 
whisper disk transmitting and seemingly magnifying every sound of the drive 
train to my ears.  I removed those, sold them and installed plastic 
fenders.  Maybe not as pretty but much quieter! Just another thing to maybe 
consider.

At the end of the day, it may just be that everything about the C makes it 
a better in the dark ride than the P?  Sometimes that happens.

Bill S
San Diego

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:34:24 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Leah, that'd be so cool if you could just bike over and we could put it up 
> in the stand for troubleshooting! I'd be all for that!
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 6:02:27 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'll use right/left, which is actually how I think about it when I'm not 
>> trying to sound like a smart guy who knows bike words. When you push the 
>> front shifter all the way to the hardest gear up front, it's pushing the 
>> derailer to the right as you're looking down at it. In that hard/hard gear 
>> front/back the chain is furthest over to the right, too. I think your front 
>> derailer isn't moving any further right to clear the chain, it's hitting a 
>> limit. That limit can be adjusted out so the derailer moves right a smidge 
>> more. Does that make sense? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is exactly what I do. However, I know about trimming derailleurs 
>>> and so even when I nudge the front derailleur I cannot stop the chatter. 
>>> So, what can that mean? But it does go away in other gears. I’m stuck with 
>>> chatter in the HARD-HARD. (Leahspeak for whatever those gears are called. I 
>>> have no idea which one is “high” and which one is “low.” I know hard and 
>>> easy.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't 
>>> traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup 
>>> like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like index: 
>>> all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think 
>>> she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. 
>>> Smartbrain 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:11:53 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound 
 as Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface 
 and is higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and 
 with headphones, eyes closed. 

 The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What 
 does what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 

 If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, 
 or ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside the store and run 
 along side. Just dropping it off and expecting them to experience what 
 you're experiencing in real time as you ride is rarely fruitful, as no two 
 people hear the same thing the same way, so it can become sort of a word 
 game of "it sounds like . ". 

 Anyways  "stuff going wrong" is like a cosmic *slight-of-mind*  
 joke we play on ourselves . What for , one may wonder ?
 Because we can. I ask for the sake of the ask, wonder for the sake of 
 the wonder .. it's Life for Life's sake . and there isn't anything 
 else. 

 On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:27:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the 
> nice Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain 
> rub 
> and constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a 
> front derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Leah, that'd be so cool if you could just bike over and we could put it up 
in the stand for troubleshooting! I'd be all for that!

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 6:02:27 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'll use right/left, which is actually how I think about it when I'm not 
> trying to sound like a smart guy who knows bike words. When you push the 
> front shifter all the way to the hardest gear up front, it's pushing the 
> derailer to the right as you're looking down at it. In that hard/hard gear 
> front/back the chain is furthest over to the right, too. I think your front 
> derailer isn't moving any further right to clear the chain, it's hitting a 
> limit. That limit can be adjusted out so the derailer moves right a smidge 
> more. Does that make sense? 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> This is exactly what I do. However, I know about trimming derailleurs and 
>> so even when I nudge the front derailleur I cannot stop the chatter. So, 
>> what can that mean? But it does go away in other gears. I’m stuck with 
>> chatter in the HARD-HARD. (Leahspeak for whatever those gears are called. I 
>> have no idea which one is “high” and which one is “low.” I know hard and 
>> easy.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't 
>> traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup 
>> like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like index: 
>> all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think 
>> she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. 
>> Smartbrain 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:11:53 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound as 
>>> Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface and 
>>> is higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and with 
>>> headphones, eyes closed. 
>>>
>>> The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What 
>>> does what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 
>>>
>>> If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, 
>>> or ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside the store and run 
>>> along side. Just dropping it off and expecting them to experience what 
>>> you're experiencing in real time as you ride is rarely fruitful, as no two 
>>> people hear the same thing the same way, so it can become sort of a word 
>>> game of "it sounds like . ". 
>>>
>>> Anyways  "stuff going wrong" is like a cosmic *slight-of-mind*  
>>> joke we play on ourselves . What for , one may wonder ?
>>> Because we can. I ask for the sake of the ask, wonder for the sake of 
>>> the wonder .. it's Life for Life's sake . and there isn't anything 
>>> else. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:27:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the 
 nice Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub 
 and constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a 
 front derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no 
 OCD, I'm free! 


 On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
> Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
> words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride 
> in 
> the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 
>
> Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
> link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right 
> on 
> over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...
>
> Leah
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
> derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
> of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered 
> over 
> the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage 
> while 
> pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain 
> with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your 
> bike. 
>
>
> The other sound? No idea! 路
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and 
>> I’ve made myself a wreck over it. 
>>
>> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

I'll use right/left, which is actually how I think about it when I'm not 
trying to sound like a smart guy who knows bike words. When you push the 
front shifter all the way to the hardest gear up front, it's pushing the 
derailer to the right as you're looking down at it. In that hard/hard gear 
front/back the chain is furthest over to the right, too. I think your front 
derailer isn't moving any further right to clear the chain, it's hitting a 
limit. That limit can be adjusted out so the derailer moves right a smidge 
more. Does that make sense? 



On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> This is exactly what I do. However, I know about trimming derailleurs and 
> so even when I nudge the front derailleur I cannot stop the chatter. So, 
> what can that mean? But it does go away in other gears. I’m stuck with 
> chatter in the HARD-HARD. (Leahspeak for whatever those gears are called. I 
> have no idea which one is “high” and which one is “low.” I know hard and 
> easy.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't 
> traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup 
> like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like index: 
> all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think 
> she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. 
> Smartbrain 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:11:53 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound as 
>> Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface and 
>> is higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and with 
>> headphones, eyes closed. 
>>
>> The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What 
>> does what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 
>>
>> If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, or 
>> ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside the store and run 
>> along side. Just dropping it off and expecting them to experience what 
>> you're experiencing in real time as you ride is rarely fruitful, as no two 
>> people hear the same thing the same way, so it can become sort of a word 
>> game of "it sounds like . ". 
>>
>> Anyways  "stuff going wrong" is like a cosmic *slight-of-mind*  joke 
>> we play on ourselves . What for , one may wonder ?
>> Because we can. I ask for the sake of the ask, wonder for the sake of the 
>> wonder .. it's Life for Life's sake . and there isn't anything 
>> else. 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:27:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the 
>>> nice Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub 
>>> and constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a 
>>> front derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no 
>>> OCD, I'm free! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
 Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
 words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in 
 the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 

 Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
 link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right 
 on 
 over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...

 Leah
 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
 derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
 of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over 
 the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while 
 pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain 
 with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your 
 bike. 


 The other sound? No idea! 路

 On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and 
> I’ve made myself a wreck over it. 
>
> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise 
> that sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a 
> predicable time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory 
> feeling and was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to 
> video. Last night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the 
> turning of the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

This is exactly what I do. However, I know about trimming derailleurs and so 
even when I nudge the front derailleur I cannot stop the chatter. So, what can 
that mean? But it does go away in other gears. I’m stuck with chatter in the 
HARD-HARD. (Leahspeak for whatever those gears are called. I have no idea which 
one is “high” and which one is “low.” I know hard and easy.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't 
> traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup 
> like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like index: 
> all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think 
> she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. 
> Smartbrain 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:11:53 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>> The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound as 
>> Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface and is 
>> higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and with 
>> headphones, eyes closed. 
>> 
>> The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What does 
>> what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 
>> 
>> If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, or 
>> ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside the store and run along 
>> side. Just dropping it off and expecting them to experience what you're 
>> experiencing in real time as you ride is rarely fruitful, as no two people 
>> hear the same thing the same way, so it can become sort of a word game of 
>> "it sounds like . ". 
>> 
>> Anyways  "stuff going wrong" is like a cosmic slight-of-mind  joke we 
>> play on ourselves . What for , one may wonder ? 
>> Because we can. I ask for the sake of the ask, wonder for the sake of the 
>> wonder .. it's Life for Life's sake . and there isn't anything else. 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:27:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the nice 
>>> Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub and 
>>> constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a front 
>>> derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no OCD, 
>>> I'm free! 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
 Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
 words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in 
 the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 
 
 Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
 link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right 
 on over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...
 
 Leah
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
> derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
> of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered 
> over the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage 
> while pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) 
> chain with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on 
> your bike. 
 
> 
> The other sound? No idea! 路
> 
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and 
>>> I’ve made myself a wreck over it. 
>>> 
>>> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise 
>>> that sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a 
>>> predicable time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory 
>>> feeling and was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to 
>>> video. Last night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with 
>>> the turning of the pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach 
>>> here. There are actually two sounds being made, I think one is 
>>> drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping the shop sets straight for me this 
>>> week. You have to tune your ear to it but if you listen you’ll hear two 
>>> atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise and listen for a rhythmic 
>>> sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>>> 
>>> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, 
>>> but annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody 
>>> of the shop. But if Shutter Precision 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

I contend that only doing it in the big/small rings means the fd isn't 
traveling far enough to clear the chain on that combo. On a 2-speed setup 
like this it's common for the rider to use the friction shifter like index: 
all the one way for the small ring, all the way the other for big. I think 
she's shifting all the way and the derailer is stopping a smidge short. 
Smartbrain 


On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:11:53 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound as 
> Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface and 
> is higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and with 
> headphones, eyes closed. 
>
> The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What 
> does what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 
>
> If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, or 
> ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside the store and run 
> along side. Just dropping it off and expecting them to experience what 
> you're experiencing in real time as you ride is rarely fruitful, as no two 
> people hear the same thing the same way, so it can become sort of a word 
> game of "it sounds like . ". 
>
> Anyways  "stuff going wrong" is like a cosmic *slight-of-mind*  joke 
> we play on ourselves . What for , one may wonder ?
> Because we can. I ask for the sake of the ask, wonder for the sake of the 
> wonder .. it's Life for Life's sake . and there isn't anything 
> else. 
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:27:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the nice 
>> Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub and 
>> constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a front 
>> derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no OCD, 
>> I'm free! 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
>>> Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
>>> words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in 
>>> the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 
>>>
>>> Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
>>> link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right on 
>>> over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...
>>>
>>> Leah
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
>>> derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
>>> of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over 
>>> the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while 
>>> pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain 
>>> with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your 
>>> bike. 
>>>
>>>
>>> The other sound? No idea! 路
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and 
 I’ve made myself a wreck over it. 

 As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise 
 that sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a 
 predicable time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory 
 feeling and was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to 
 video. Last night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the 
 turning of the pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach here. 
 There are actually two sounds being made, I think one is drivetrain 
 chatter 
 that I’m hoping the shop sets straight for me this week. You have to tune 
 your ear to it but if you listen you’ll hear two atypical sounds - sort 
 out 
 the wind noise and listen for a rhythmic sound and a constant chatter. 
 They’re there.

 The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, 
 but annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody of 
 the shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why can’t 
 Schmidt do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds that I 
 think 
 are fast enough to generate a solid light. At the same speed a SP will 
 hold 
 a steady beam. I know SON is the reigning champion for dyno, but why? 

 Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Garth]

The sound from the video is like a rhythmic ratcheting/creaking sound as 
Leah pedals, it's not a FD rubbing sound as that has a smooth surface and 
is higher pitched smooth metallic sound. I'm listening to it loud and with 
headphones, eyes closed. 

The obvious question is does the sound remain when not pedaling ? What does 
what when you do what ? What doesn't ? 

If I was a mechanic worth a penny I'd either ride with you to hear it, or 
ride the bike myself, or have you ride around inside the store and run 
along side. Just dropping it off and expecting them to experience what 
you're experiencing in real time as you ride is rarely fruitful, as no two 
people hear the same thing the same way, so it can become sort of a word 
game of "it sounds like . ". 

Anyways  "stuff going wrong" is like a cosmic *slight-of-mind*  joke we 
play on ourselves . What for , one may wonder ?
Because we can. I ask for the sake of the ask, wonder for the sake of the 
wonder .. it's Life for Life's sake . and there isn't anything 
else. 

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:27:48 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the nice 
> Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub and 
> constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a front 
> derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no OCD, 
> I'm free! 
>
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
>> Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
>> words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in 
>> the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 
>>
>> Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
>> link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right on 
>> over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...
>>
>> Leah
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
>> derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
>> of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over 
>> the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while 
>> pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain 
>> with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your 
>> bike. 
>>
>>
>> The other sound? No idea! 路
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and I’ve 
>>> made myself a wreck over it. 
>>>
>>> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise that 
>>> sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a predicable 
>>> time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory feeling and 
>>> was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to video. Last 
>>> night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the turning of the 
>>> pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach here. There are actually 
>>> two sounds being made, I think one is drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping 
>>> the shop sets straight for me this week. You have to tune your ear to it 
>>> but if you listen you’ll hear two atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise 
>>> and listen for a rhythmic sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>>>
>>> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, but 
>>> annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody of the 
>>> shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why can’t Schmidt 
>>> do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds that I think are 
>>> fast enough to generate a solid light. At the same speed a SP will hold a 
>>> steady beam. I know SON is the reigning champion for dyno, but why? 
>>>
>>> Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Only in the hardest gear? (goes off) AHA! Bring these words to the shop 
folks: High Limit screw needs to be turned out a smidge so the front 
derailer will move a little further past the big chainring. 

I think you're getting a slight grind on the cage in the highest gear 
because the chain is angled over to the small rear cog and you can't move 
the derailer enough to clear it. Is what I think with my smartbrain! 



On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:27:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the nice 
> Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub and 
> constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a front 
> derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no OCD, 
> I'm free! 
>
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
>> Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
>> words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in 
>> the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 
>>
>> Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
>> link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right on 
>> over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...
>>
>> Leah
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
>> derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
>> of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over 
>> the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while 
>> pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain 
>> with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your 
>> bike. 
>>
>>
>> The other sound? No idea! 路
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and I’ve 
>>> made myself a wreck over it. 
>>>
>>> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise that 
>>> sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a predicable 
>>> time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory feeling and 
>>> was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to video. Last 
>>> night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the turning of the 
>>> pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach here. There are actually 
>>> two sounds being made, I think one is drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping 
>>> the shop sets straight for me this week. You have to tune your ear to it 
>>> but if you listen you’ll hear two atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise 
>>> and listen for a rhythmic sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>>>
>>> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, but 
>>> annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody of the 
>>> shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why can’t Schmidt 
>>> do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds that I think are 
>>> fast enough to generate a solid light. At the same speed a SP will hold a 
>>> steady beam. I know SON is the reigning champion for dyno, but why? 
>>>
>>> Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Front derailers are the bane of my existence. I love the look of the nice 
Campagnolo on my custom, but I'm super-OCD-fastidious about chain rub and 
constantly adjusting the shifter to avoid it. My Susie doesn't HAVE a front 
derailer, all I have to do is shift the back. No chain grinding, no OCD, 
I'm free! 


On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the 
> Hard-Hard gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these 
> words and tell them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in 
> the lot and invariably it makes the SAME noise. 
>
> Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest 
> link. I wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right on 
> over and put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...
>
> Leah
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front 
> derailer, like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out 
> of round. In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over 
> the chain, then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while 
> pedaling. This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain 
> with a 10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your 
> bike. 
>
>
> The other sound? No idea! 路
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and I’ve 
>> made myself a wreck over it. 
>>
>> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise that 
>> sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a predicable 
>> time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory feeling and 
>> was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to video. Last 
>> night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the turning of the 
>> pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach here. There are actually 
>> two sounds being made, I think one is drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping 
>> the shop sets straight for me this week. You have to tune your ear to it 
>> but if you listen you’ll hear two atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise 
>> and listen for a rhythmic sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>>
>> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, but 
>> annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody of the 
>> shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why can’t Schmidt 
>> do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds that I think are 
>> fast enough to generate a solid light. At the same speed a SP will hold a 
>> steady beam. I know SON is the reigning champion for dyno, but why? 
>>
>> Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Joe, I bet you’re right about that! It is constant and always in the Hard-Hard 
gear, which is what I nearly always ride. I shall save these words and tell 
them to the shop when I get my bike back, do a test ride in the lot and 
invariably it makes the SAME noise. 

Ben, it seems that way to me, too. The wiring is probably the weakest link. I 
wish I knew some real-life Riv folks who would let me bike right on over and 
put my bike in their stand for diagnosis! Someday, I hope...

Leah
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front derailer, 
> like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out of round. In 
> this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over the chain, then 
> not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while pedaling. This 
> issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain with a 10-speed 
> (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your bike. 
> 
> The other sound? No idea! 路
> 
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and I’ve 
>> made myself a wreck over it. 
>> 
>> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise that 
>> sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a predicable 
>> time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory feeling and was 
>> loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to video. Last night it 
>> was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the turning of the pedals. I 
>> caught it on video, which I will attach here. There are actually two sounds 
>> being made, I think one is drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping the shop sets 
>> straight for me this week. You have to tune your ear to it but if you listen 
>> you’ll hear two atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise and listen for a 
>> rhythmic sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>> 
>> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, but 
>> annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody of the 
>> shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why can’t Schmidt 
>> do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds that I think are fast 
>> enough to generate a solid light. At the same speed a SP will hold a steady 
>> beam. I know SON is the reigning champion for dyno, but why? 
>> 
>> Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

The rhythmic noise sounds like the chain barely grazing the front derailer, 
like what would happen if the chainring is ever so slightly out of round. 
In this scenario you could think you have the cage centered over the chain, 
then not notice the chain wobbling over to graze the cage while pedaling. 
This issue can be exacerbated by using a 9-speed (wider) chain with a 
10-speed (narrower) derailer, which I suspect is the case on your bike. 

The other sound? No idea! 路

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and I’ve 
> made myself a wreck over it. 
>
> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise that 
> sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a predicable 
> time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory feeling and 
> was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to video. Last 
> night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the turning of the 
> pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach here. There are actually 
> two sounds being made, I think one is drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping 
> the shop sets straight for me this week. You have to tune your ear to it 
> but if you listen you’ll hear two atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise 
> and listen for a rhythmic sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>
> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, but 
> annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody of the 
> shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why can’t Schmidt 
> do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds that I think are 
> fast enough to generate a solid light. At the same speed a SP will hold a 
> steady beam. I know SON is the reigning champion for dyno, but why? 
>
> Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

I believe you about the sound, but its such a hard thing to capture over 
the video. I think I hear the drivetrain noise, but hard to tell the other 
"electrical" one. I think video phones are not ideal for capturing such 
things; I tried once again to record the SON noise without any real success 
:/

SP and SON's are both great hubs. I think SON hubs get better rating 
because people think they look nicer, they have slightly better drag 
profiles vs SP, and they known to last a long time (A friend of mine SP 
recently failed, though I think it was some time after 20,000 km; SON's 
supposedly last much longer) Oh, and I think you can build a slightly 
stronger wheel with a SON vs SP (though my SP wheels seem plenty strong, so 
I think this is marginal). If all that adds up to worth the extra $$$ vs an 
SP, well that's up to the buyer... One thing that I think is better about 
the SP over the SON is the standard connector (SON doesn't even come with 
one, and the Edelux female connectors work for sure, but are annoying 
compared to the SP connector. I guess you can get a SON coaxial connector, 
but that's another $30) Overall, I like both and decide which to use 
depending on my use case for the bike.

Personally, I'd be pretty surprised if it was the hub. I definitely agree 
the Edelux looks too dim (I don't think it's merely pointed too high). But 
I'd put money on the wiring. Again, I think the best way to test that is to 
try and isolate the various parts of the system (though I realize you don't 
have the bike at the moment). Hopefully this is something your LBS is doing 
for you?
On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, it’s not your fault, Ben. I am overly attached to this bike and I’ve 
> made myself a wreck over it. 
>
> As far as the noise, there is more than one. But there is one noise that 
> sounds kind of like electrical current, and it never came at a predicable 
> time - like with pedaling. It would cause a little vibratory feeling and 
> was loud enough that I could pick it up using my iPhone to video. Last 
> night it was nearly constant and seemed to coincide with the turning of the 
> pedals. I caught it on video, which I will attach here. There are actually 
> two sounds being made, I think one is drivetrain chatter that I’m hoping 
> the shop sets straight for me this week. You have to tune your ear to it 
> but if you listen you’ll hear two atypical sounds - sort out the wind noise 
> and listen for a rhythmic sound and a constant chatter. They’re there.
>
> The sound when the wheel is spun with the bike stationary is slight, but 
> annoying. I don’t have that on video and the bike is now in custody of the 
> shop. But if Shutter Precision managed to make it quiet, why can’t Schmidt 
> do the same? And the flickering. That occurs at speeds that I think are 
> fast enough to generate a solid light. At the same speed a SP will hold a 
> steady beam. I know SON is the reigning champion for dyno, but why? 
>
> Here are the videos. The first is a better specimen, I think:
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ian A]

Along with aligning the beam, also make sure there are no shorts in the 
system. The noise you hear from the hub you hear while riding may be from 
vibration, which often occurs if the skewer isn't tight enough.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Sorry kids, I posted the same time as Ben with similar information but his 
> had more evidence in hand. Listen to Ben! 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:22:56 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Oh no Leah! I hope I'm not making you more anxious 
>>
>> A SON hub still be mostly quiet. I tried taking video of my two in the 
>> stand, but honestly its too soft of a sound to properly pick out (my water 
>> heater, freezer, wind, dog, and passing traffic all made it too difficult 
>> to properly document)! 
>>
>> But a SON does make a more noticeable noise than an SP. (I have several 
>> of both types). Again, I wouldn't say noise isn't the issue, but I wouldn't 
>> have you're LBS try and service a SON hub, that is for sure. 
>>
>> Maybe you could try to video the hub sound in the stand??
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 1:02 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Ben,
>>> This is why I cry in the parking lot after I drop my bike off. Because I 
>>> know it’s completely plausible that my bike will come back in worse shape 
>>> than I left it because shops in this town don’t know about bikes like mine 
>>> - bikes with dyno and fenders. I’ve had a lot of parts installed wrong 
>>> during my time in Vegas. But dyno is new to me, too, so I don’t know what a 
>>> normal Schmidt SON sounds like. My Shutter Precision is quiet and gives me 
>>> a bright light. That’s what I have to go on.
>>>
>>> I’ll just have to hope whoever works on my Platy will realize those are 
>>> sealed bearings. It won’t be the mechanic who checked me in today, so at 
>>> least there’s that...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't say that SON dynamo hubs are supposed to be silent, at least 
>>> not in the same way a normal front hub is silent. It's not to way that the 
>>> noise might not be the issue, but some noise is to be expected.
>>>
>>> As for grease, from the SON website 
>>> : 
>>> Do bearings on a SON hub dynamo need any maintenance?
>>> SON Nabendynamo bearings are sealed on both sides; they are 
>>> lifetime-lubricated grooved ball bearings. Normally they run 
>>> maintenance-free for many 10 thousands of kilometers and need neither 
>>> lubrication nor adjustment. Should a fault nevertheless occur the bearings 
>>> will be replaced by the manufacturer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Sorry kids, I posted the same time as Ben with similar information but his 
had more evidence in hand. Listen to Ben! 



On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:22:56 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:

> Oh no Leah! I hope I'm not making you more anxious 
>
> A SON hub still be mostly quiet. I tried taking video of my two in the 
> stand, but honestly its too soft of a sound to properly pick out (my water 
> heater, freezer, wind, dog, and passing traffic all made it too difficult 
> to properly document)! 
>
> But a SON does make a more noticeable noise than an SP. (I have several of 
> both types). Again, I wouldn't say noise isn't the issue, but I wouldn't 
> have you're LBS try and service a SON hub, that is for sure. 
>
> Maybe you could try to video the hub sound in the stand??
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 1:02 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>> This is why I cry in the parking lot after I drop my bike off. Because I 
>> know it’s completely plausible that my bike will come back in worse shape 
>> than I left it because shops in this town don’t know about bikes like mine 
>> - bikes with dyno and fenders. I’ve had a lot of parts installed wrong 
>> during my time in Vegas. But dyno is new to me, too, so I don’t know what a 
>> normal Schmidt SON sounds like. My Shutter Precision is quiet and gives me 
>> a bright light. That’s what I have to go on.
>>
>> I’ll just have to hope whoever works on my Platy will realize those are 
>> sealed bearings. It won’t be the mechanic who checked me in today, so at 
>> least there’s that...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I wouldn't say that SON dynamo hubs are supposed to be silent, at least 
>> not in the same way a normal front hub is silent. It's not to way that the 
>> noise might not be the issue, but some noise is to be expected.
>>
>> As for grease, from the SON website 
>> : 
>> Do bearings on a SON hub dynamo need any maintenance?
>> SON Nabendynamo bearings are sealed on both sides; they are 
>> lifetime-lubricated grooved ball bearings. Normally they run 
>> maintenance-free for many 10 thousands of kilometers and need neither 
>> lubrication nor adjustment. Should a fault nevertheless occur the bearings 
>> will be replaced by the manufacturer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

Oh no Leah! I hope I'm not making you more anxious 

A SON hub still be mostly quiet. I tried taking video of my two in the
stand, but honestly its too soft of a sound to properly pick out (my water
heater, freezer, wind, dog, and passing traffic all made it too difficult
to properly document)!

But a SON does make a more noticeable noise than an SP. (I have several of
both types). Again, I wouldn't say noise isn't the issue, but I wouldn't
have you're LBS try and service a SON hub, that is for sure.

Maybe you could try to video the hub sound in the stand??

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 1:02 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:

> Ben,
> This is why I cry in the parking lot after I drop my bike off. Because I
> know it’s completely plausible that my bike will come back in worse shape
> than I left it because shops in this town don’t know about bikes like mine
> - bikes with dyno and fenders. I’ve had a lot of parts installed wrong
> during my time in Vegas. But dyno is new to me, too, so I don’t know what a
> normal Schmidt SON sounds like. My Shutter Precision is quiet and gives me
> a bright light. That’s what I have to go on.
>
> I’ll just have to hope whoever works on my Platy will realize those are
> sealed bearings. It won’t be the mechanic who checked me in today, so at
> least there’s that...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:
>
> 
> I wouldn't say that SON dynamo hubs are supposed to be silent, at least
> not in the same way a normal front hub is silent. It's not to way that the
> noise might not be the issue, but some noise is to be expected.
>
> As for grease, from the SON website
> :
> Do bearings on a SON hub dynamo need any maintenance?
> SON Nabendynamo bearings are sealed on both sides; they are
> lifetime-lubricated grooved ball bearings. Normally they run
> maintenance-free for many 10 thousands of kilometers and need neither
> lubrication nor adjustment. Should a fault nevertheless occur the bearings
> will be replaced by the manufacturer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

My experience is minimal to the point of being basically useless to you 
BUT... I did have a SON hub for a while and it wasn't entirely quiet. 
Assuming it's not egregiously loud I might guess that different brands of 
dynohub just sound different. But this doesn't explain the connection not 
working and the taillight flickering and...I'm not helping here! 



On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 1:02:49 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ben,
> This is why I cry in the parking lot after I drop my bike off. Because I 
> know it’s completely plausible that my bike will come back in worse shape 
> than I left it because shops in this town don’t know about bikes like mine 
> - bikes with dyno and fenders. I’ve had a lot of parts installed wrong 
> during my time in Vegas. But dyno is new to me, too, so I don’t know what a 
> normal Schmidt SON sounds like. My Shutter Precision is quiet and gives me 
> a bright light. That’s what I have to go on.
>
> I’ll just have to hope whoever works on my Platy will realize those are 
> sealed bearings. It won’t be the mechanic who checked me in today, so at 
> least there’s that...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I wouldn't say that SON dynamo hubs are supposed to be silent, at least 
> not in the same way a normal front hub is silent. It's not to way that the 
> noise might not be the issue, but some noise is to be expected.
>
> As for grease, from the SON website 
> : 
> Do bearings on a SON hub dynamo need any maintenance?
> SON Nabendynamo bearings are sealed on both sides; they are 
> lifetime-lubricated grooved ball bearings. Normally they run 
> maintenance-free for many 10 thousands of kilometers and need neither 
> lubrication nor adjustment. Should a fault nevertheless occur the bearings 
> will be replaced by the manufacturer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Ben,
This is why I cry in the parking lot after I drop my bike off. Because I know 
it’s completely plausible that my bike will come back in worse shape than I 
left it because shops in this town don’t know about bikes like mine - bikes 
with dyno and fenders. I’ve had a lot of parts installed wrong during my time 
in Vegas. But dyno is new to me, too, so I don’t know what a normal Schmidt SON 
sounds like. My Shutter Precision is quiet and gives me a bright light. That’s 
what I have to go on.

I’ll just have to hope whoever works on my Platy will realize those are sealed 
bearings. It won’t be the mechanic who checked me in today, so at least there’s 
that...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:52 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wouldn't say that SON dynamo hubs are supposed to be silent, at least not 
> in the same way a normal front hub is silent. It's not to way that the noise 
> might not be the issue, but some noise is to be expected.
> 
> As for grease, from the SON website: 
> Do bearings on a SON hub dynamo need any maintenance?
> SON Nabendynamo bearings are sealed on both sides; they are 
> lifetime-lubricated grooved ball bearings. Normally they run maintenance-free 
> for many 10 thousands of kilometers and need neither lubrication nor 
> adjustment. Should a fault nevertheless occur the bearings will be replaced 
> by the manufacturer.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ben Miller]

I wouldn't say that SON dynamo hubs are supposed to be silent, at least not
in the same way a normal front hub is silent. It's not to way that the
noise might not be the issue, but some noise is to be expected.

As for grease, from the SON website
:
Do bearings on a SON hub dynamo need any maintenance?
SON Nabendynamo bearings are sealed on both sides; they are
lifetime-lubricated grooved ball bearings. Normally they run
maintenance-free for many 10 thousands of kilometers and need neither
lubrication nor adjustment. Should a fault nevertheless occur the bearings
will be replaced by the manufacturer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Update: the mechanic spun the front wheel and expected the hub to be silent - 
it’s not. He is wondering if it needs lube in there. Also, he fiddled with the 
connection, spun the wheel, and the light wouldn’t illuminate. So, something 
seems off... 

But I do think I need that mount Peter suggested...

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> On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I just pulled into the parking lot of the LBS and read your messages. Since 
> I’m already here, I’ll have them take a look at the connections and see if 
> they can find where the noises (remember I said it sounds like current?) 
> originate. Also, there is the matter of the flickering rear light.
> 
> I did email Analog a few days ago, but bless them, they are busy with a big 
> shipment of frames and I haven’t heard back. I’ll hear from them, I’m sure. 
> 
> But meanwhile, the light adjustment. When I get both bikes back I’m going to 
> try what you suggested, Peter, however, I believe I had that light tilted 
> because the fender blocked the beam. So, I think the light mount extension 
> you suggest would be of great help. I’d like to buy that if you sell it. 
> 
> Thanks so much for all the advice!
> Leah
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Peter White  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> Leah,
>>> 
>>> The advice you've gotten sounds wise, I think talking to Peter White first 
>>> is a good idea. If you can show him your videos I'd be curious to hear what 
>>> he thinks about this: Your Platy headlight is mounted behind the top of the 
>>> fender and is throwing a big shadow directly in front, whereas the Clem 
>>> light is unobstructed and much brighter. I wonder how much that shadow is 
>>> affecting the situation. 
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard
>> 
>> That's a good point. You may well benefit from a taller mount. But first aim 
>> the beam as I described. If the fender is blocking the beam, the 65mm 
>> extension mount from Busch & Müller would help. 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Hi All,

I just pulled into the parking lot of the LBS and read your messages. Since I’m 
already here, I’ll have them take a look at the connections and see if they can 
find where the noises (remember I said it sounds like current?) originate. 
Also, there is the matter of the flickering rear light.

I did email Analog a few days ago, but bless them, they are busy with a big 
shipment of frames and I haven’t heard back. I’ll hear from them, I’m sure. 

But meanwhile, the light adjustment. When I get both bikes back I’m going to 
try what you suggested, Peter, however, I believe I had that light tilted 
because the fender blocked the beam. So, I think the light mount extension you 
suggest would be of great help. I’d like to buy that if you sell it. 

Thanks so much for all the advice!
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Peter White  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> Leah,
>> 
>> The advice you've gotten sounds wise, I think talking to Peter White first 
>> is a good idea. If you can show him your videos I'd be curious to hear what 
>> he thinks about this: Your Platy headlight is mounted behind the top of the 
>> fender and is throwing a big shadow directly in front, whereas the Clem 
>> light is unobstructed and much brighter. I wonder how much that shadow is 
>> affecting the situation. 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard
> 
> That's a good point. You may well benefit from a taller mount. But first aim 
> the beam as I described. If the fender is blocking the beam, the 65mm 
> extension mount from Busch & Müller would help. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Peter White]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 2:08 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Leah,
>
> The advice you've gotten sounds wise, I think talking to Peter White first
> is a good idea. If you can show him your videos I'd be curious to hear what
> he thinks about this: Your Platy headlight is mounted behind the top of the
> fender and is throwing a big shadow directly in front, whereas the Clem
> light is unobstructed and much brighter. I wonder how much that shadow is
> affecting the situation.
>
> Joe Bernard
>

That's a good point. You may well benefit from a taller mount. But first
aim the beam as I described. If the fender is blocking the beam, the 65mm
extension mount from Busch & Müller would help.

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[RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know why I forgot Analog, the folks that sold you the wheels. I 
would email them first, James and Candice ride this stuff in the woods all 
the time and I'm sure have come across a bad wire/connection in their 
travels. 

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:08:54 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Leah,
>
> The advice you've gotten sounds wise, I think talking to Peter White first 
> is a good idea. If you can show him your videos I'd be curious to hear what 
> he thinks about this: Your Platy headlight is mounted behind the top of the 
> fender and is throwing a big shadow directly in front, whereas the Clem 
> light is unobstructed and much brighter. I wonder how much that shadow is 
> affecting the situation. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:01:53 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes. 
>>
>> 1. 52 cm Clem L with 650b wheels: Shutter Precision hub with Edelux II 
>> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight 
>>
>> 2. 55 cm Platypus with 700c wheels: Schmidt SON hub with Edelux II 
>> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight.
>>
>> So: same lights but different generators.
>>
>> SON has the votes for best dyno ever, so I went with that for my Platy, 
>> but so far, it's not been as good as the SP. I know that cannot be, so 
>> something must be wrong with my setup of the SON, or possibly the 
>> hub/generator itself. I think it has been this way from the start; I always 
>> thought the differences were due to the mounting location of the light.
>>
>> We had both bikes out on a family ride and the Clem's light was 
>> blindingly bright - a veritable floodlight. The Platy's light appeared dim 
>> in comparison, even though I was riding the Platy at a faster speed. The 
>> Platy's rear light often flickers unless I am riding downhill, and the 
>> Clem's does not. I've checked the connections and as best as I can tell, 
>> there's nothing amiss. The Clem's headlight is front rack-mounted, and the 
>> Platy uses a fork-crown mount. I did a night ride with the Platy last night 
>> and was really underwhelmed by the beam. It is not the beam is blocked; it 
>> appears the light is just generally dimmed.  I ride a dark path through the 
>> desert where there is wilderness on one side and homes distantly located on 
>> the other, no streetlights. I need good illumination; the Clem gives ample 
>> lighting but I feel like I'm straining to see on my Platy..
>>
>> Secondly, I hear something in the drivetrain or wheel set of the Platy. 
>> Almost like the sound of electrical current. It is only on the Platy, never 
>> the Clem. I have heard that the SON is supposed to be silent, but there is 
>> definitely noise coming from the bike, but I don't know if it's the hub.
>>
>> I'm going to take the bike to the shop that built it and see if they can 
>> figure out the noise and the dim light. If you have any words of wisdom or 
>> direction I could point them in, please let me know here. 
>>
>> Things I have considered:
>> 1. Does the wheel size affect the difference in brightness? 
>> 2. Does the mounting location affect the appearance of the beam? (I have 
>> tilted the Platy light this way and that so the beam doesn't fall on the 
>> front wheel, but no real difference was noted.)
>> 3. Maybe there is some tension on the wires somehow?
>>
>> 
>> Don't read past here if you don't want to be subjected to my angst. It is 
>> cathartic to talk to bike people about bike woes; no one else understands.
>>
>> I dread taking the bike in and presenting them with some obscure issues 
>> (What is this noise? Don't you hear it? Well, it's not doing it right NOW, 
>> but... My light is not bright enough! Can't you make it brighter?!) Most 
>> shops in Vegas don't know a thing about dyno; it took my LBS considerable 
>> time to suss out how to do it. So, I fear that the bike will come back to 
>> me in the same state and I will be slowly driven crazy by the sounds and 
>> the inferior lighting. Also, the Platy is special and I am overly attached 
>> to it. When things aren't right with it I am all sackcloth and ashes, 
>> wailing and gnashing of teeth over here.
>> ***
>> Thanks for your insight!
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

Leah,

The advice you've gotten sounds wise, I think talking to Peter White first 
is a good idea. If you can show him your videos I'd be curious to hear what 
he thinks about this: Your Platy headlight is mounted behind the top of the 
fender and is throwing a big shadow directly in front, whereas the Clem 
light is unobstructed and much brighter. I wonder how much that shadow is 
affecting the situation. 

Joe Bernard

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:01:53 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes. 
>
> 1. 52 cm Clem L with 650b wheels: Shutter Precision hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight 
>
> 2. 55 cm Platypus with 700c wheels: Schmidt SON hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight.
>
> So: same lights but different generators.
>
> SON has the votes for best dyno ever, so I went with that for my Platy, 
> but so far, it's not been as good as the SP. I know that cannot be, so 
> something must be wrong with my setup of the SON, or possibly the 
> hub/generator itself. I think it has been this way from the start; I always 
> thought the differences were due to the mounting location of the light.
>
> We had both bikes out on a family ride and the Clem's light was blindingly 
> bright - a veritable floodlight. The Platy's light appeared dim in 
> comparison, even though I was riding the Platy at a faster speed. The 
> Platy's rear light often flickers unless I am riding downhill, and the 
> Clem's does not. I've checked the connections and as best as I can tell, 
> there's nothing amiss. The Clem's headlight is front rack-mounted, and the 
> Platy uses a fork-crown mount. I did a night ride with the Platy last night 
> and was really underwhelmed by the beam. It is not the beam is blocked; it 
> appears the light is just generally dimmed.  I ride a dark path through the 
> desert where there is wilderness on one side and homes distantly located on 
> the other, no streetlights. I need good illumination; the Clem gives ample 
> lighting but I feel like I'm straining to see on my Platy..
>
> Secondly, I hear something in the drivetrain or wheel set of the Platy. 
> Almost like the sound of electrical current. It is only on the Platy, never 
> the Clem. I have heard that the SON is supposed to be silent, but there is 
> definitely noise coming from the bike, but I don't know if it's the hub.
>
> I'm going to take the bike to the shop that built it and see if they can 
> figure out the noise and the dim light. If you have any words of wisdom or 
> direction I could point them in, please let me know here. 
>
> Things I have considered:
> 1. Does the wheel size affect the difference in brightness? 
> 2. Does the mounting location affect the appearance of the beam? (I have 
> tilted the Platy light this way and that so the beam doesn't fall on the 
> front wheel, but no real difference was noted.)
> 3. Maybe there is some tension on the wires somehow?
>
> 
> Don't read past here if you don't want to be subjected to my angst. It is 
> cathartic to talk to bike people about bike woes; no one else understands.
>
> I dread taking the bike in and presenting them with some obscure issues 
> (What is this noise? Don't you hear it? Well, it's not doing it right NOW, 
> but... My light is not bright enough! Can't you make it brighter?!) Most 
> shops in Vegas don't know a thing about dyno; it took my LBS considerable 
> time to suss out how to do it. So, I fear that the bike will come back to 
> me in the same state and I will be slowly driven crazy by the sounds and 
> the inferior lighting. Also, the Platy is special and I am overly attached 
> to it. When things aren't right with it I am all sackcloth and ashes, 
> wailing and gnashing of teeth over here.
> ***
> Thanks for your insight!
> Leah
>

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