Re: [RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-13 Thread Justin August
Do not call it SF. Only call it Frisco if you grew up there.

-J

On Feb 13, 2018, 7:12 AM -0800, John A. Bennett , wrote:
> San Francisco
>
> Hit:
>
> Golden Gate Park.
> Valencia Street.
> Stockton Street (the real Chinatown; skip Grant Avenue).
> City Lights Books in North Beach.
> Coit Tower (for the view from the parking lot) and North Beach
> Golden Gate Bridge, & Fort Point
> Land's End (Sutro Baths, etc.)
> The Embarcadero (good on a bike or walking, bad for driving)
>
> Skip: Fisherman's Wharf, Ghirardelli Square, The Cannery
>
> John, SF (1980-2012)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
> > If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a lot 
> > of you live in the area and would love your input.
> >
> > Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for business, 
> > I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be arriving on 
> > a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm flight out. 
> > I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or Oakland 
> > airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be renting a 
> > car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no issues using 
> > BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in Emeryville and that 
> > would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
> >
> > I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> > Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> > and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> > love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> > but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> > to see it, and how to maximize my time.
> >
> > So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> > to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> > traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> > like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> > for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> > has to offer?    It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
> >
> > And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roberta
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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-13 Thread John A. Bennett
San Francisco

*Hit: *

Golden Gate Park. 
Valencia Street. 
Stockton Street (the real Chinatown; skip Grant Avenue). 
City Lights Books in North Beach. 
Coit Tower (for the view from the parking lot) and North Beach 
Golden Gate Bridge, & Fort Point
Land's End (Sutro Baths, etc.)
The Embarcadero (good on a bike or walking, bad for driving)

*Skip:* Fisherman's Wharf, Ghirardelli Square, The Cannery

John, SF (1980-2012)





On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>
> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>
> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>
> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>
> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>
> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-13 Thread Justin, Oakland
Also: I have a Betty Foy 55cm, Saluki 58cm and a couple other 56-58ish Bikes 
you could borrow from Maxwell Park in East Oakland if you’d like. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-13 Thread Tom M
Not a resident, but visited last year. City Lights Books is great. SF 
Giants ballpark tour is great. If you're into microbrews, this 
place http://www.mikkellerbar.com/sf/ is pretty great. Sorry, not much 
nature on my list. We stayed downtown and found the city quite walkable, 
despite the hills. I'll agree with everyone who recommended Alcatraz.
Tom Milani,
Alexandria, VA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 8:14:58 PM UTC-5, REC wrote:
>
> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>
> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>
> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>
> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>
> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-13 Thread Justin, Oakland
My standards for giving folks a tour are:
Drive over the Bay bridge because living in oakland is the best.
Get coffee someplace and decide which museum to go to. My preferences are:
DeYoung
Cal academy of Science
SFMOMA
Museum of the African Diaspora

The first two are in GG Park, the second two are in SOMA. I would choose one of 
the pairs. Either way after you go to them I would head to GG Park and explore 
th lakes, SF Botanical Garden, Tulip Gardens and Bison. Head out to Ocean Beach 
and up towards Lands End/Sutro Baths. Explore/hike that area and then drive 
back via the Presidio. 

That’s a day that will tire you out for sure. 

Muir Woods is great but you have to get a reservation for parking now.
Marin Headlands are perhaps th happiest place on earth. Bike, hike or drive 
over. You won’t be sorry.
I’m going to plug th dark horses that are our wonderful East Bay Regional 
Parks. Tilden, Sibley, Joaquin Miller, Redwood and more all have amazing 
hiking, biking and geology to see. I love the Big Trees area in Joaquin Miller 
and the hiking there is sublime. Sibley is wide open, windy and gives you 
amazing Vistas. Tilden is the wild version of GG Park.

Oakland also has OMCA which is an amazing museum and is very underrated.

Walnut Creek is a suburban bedroom community with a large big box store 
downtown. Aside from Riv it’s geared towards driving and buying. Stop by Riv, 
borrow a bike and get directions to She’ll ridge or Diablo or Briones. Bring 
your legs!


This is one man’s opinions and do not represent anything but his own wants and 
desires. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-13 Thread Kevin Lindsey
So far, no one's mentioned the obvious: take a walk across the Golden Gate 
bridge and, if you're up for a bit of a hike, do the headlands on the 
opposite side (Marin).  The walk over the water is thrilling in and of 
itself, but to see the bridge and its art deco designs up close is really 
neat, and the headlands offers the classic view of it all (bridge, city, 
ocean, everything).
And, yes, Rivendell is a hoot.

Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 8:14:58 PM UTC-5, REC wrote:
>
> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>
> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>
> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>
> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>
> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-12 Thread Ash

Twin peaks is one of my favorite places to visit in the city.  From there 
you get an incredible 270 deg panoramic view of SF and surroundings 
including the Golden Gate bridge.  Beautiful both during the day and at 
night (fog permitting)

As for Walnut Creek, Riv is by far the most interesting place to visit in 
that town.  There's not much else for a tourist.

Have a fun trip!


On Monday, 12 February 2018 19:07:13 UTC-8, REC wrote:
>
> Thanks to all, so far.  I just decided this morning to make the SF 
> stop--that will be Feb 25-27.
>
> I probably should have mentioned that I own a Joe Appaloosa (so there IS 
> Rivendell content)  and just love it.  The group here, as well as my calls 
> to Riv,  helped me with my decision last April and I appreciated all the 
> input.  
>
> I do like the idea of staying in SF and doing some hikes there (and the 
> Sutro Baths look interesting).  It makes a good use of time.  I went to 
> Muir Woods years ago and was just awed by the experience. 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:43:26 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
>> To paraphrase: Walnut Creek is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want 
>> to visit there (other than Riv, and there are a lot of nice hikes on and 
>> around Diablo if you want to see Riv's roots). If you want to visit Muir 
>> Woods, you now need to make parking reservations or a shuttle reservation. 
>> See the Muir Woods website for instructions.
>>
>> One outing that I highly recommend is walking around the Presidio to see 
>> their Andy Goldsworthy collection. They give guided hikes on Saturdays, for 
>> which you need reservations, but there is a map here to guide your own walk:
>>
>> https://www.presidio.gov/places-internal/Shared%20Documents/Goldsworthy-Brochure.pdf
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek, ca
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>>>
>>> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
>>> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>>>
>>> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
>>> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
>>> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
>>> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
>>> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
>>> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
>>> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
>>> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>>>
>>> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
>>> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
>>> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
>>> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
>>> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
>>> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>>>
>>> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on 
>>> how to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting 
>>> caught in traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is 
>>> the traffic like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 
>>> day at Riv for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what 
>>> Walnut Creek has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been 
>>> to SF area.
>>>
>>> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-12 Thread Scott McLain
I highly recommend the Streets of San Francisco bike tour.  They provide the 
bike.  You will get a great tour of the city and it’s history.  It is always 
ranked high on trip advisor.  My wife and I vacation in SF every couple of 
years.  This was our favorite thing.  Also be sure to get Buy Rite ice cream.

Have Fun!  

Scott

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-12 Thread REC
Thanks to all, so far.  I just decided this morning to make the SF 
stop--that will be Feb 25-27.

I probably should have mentioned that I own a Joe Appaloosa (so there IS 
Rivendell content)  and just love it.  The group here, as well as my calls 
to Riv,  helped me with my decision last April and I appreciated all the 
input.  

I do like the idea of staying in SF and doing some hikes there (and the 
Sutro Baths look interesting).  It makes a good use of time.  I went to 
Muir Woods years ago and was just awed by the experience. 

Roberta

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:43:26 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:

> To paraphrase: Walnut Creek is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want 
> to visit there (other than Riv, and there are a lot of nice hikes on and 
> around Diablo if you want to see Riv's roots). If you want to visit Muir 
> Woods, you now need to make parking reservations or a shuttle reservation. 
> See the Muir Woods website for instructions.
>
> One outing that I highly recommend is walking around the Presidio to see 
> their Andy Goldsworthy collection. They give guided hikes on Saturdays, for 
> which you need reservations, but there is a map here to guide your own walk:
>
> https://www.presidio.gov/places-internal/Shared%20Documents/Goldsworthy-Brochure.pdf
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>>
>> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
>> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>>
>> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
>> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
>> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
>> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
>> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
>> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
>> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
>> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>>
>> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
>> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
>> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
>> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
>> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
>> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>>
>> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
>> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
>> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
>> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
>> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
>> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>>
>> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-12 Thread Jim M.
To paraphrase: Walnut Creek is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to 
visit there (other than Riv, and there are a lot of nice hikes on and 
around Diablo if you want to see Riv's roots). If you want to visit Muir 
Woods, you now need to make parking reservations or a shuttle reservation. 
See the Muir Woods website for instructions.

One outing that I highly recommend is walking around the Presidio to see 
their Andy Goldsworthy collection. They give guided hikes on Saturdays, for 
which you need reservations, but there is a map here to guide your own walk:
https://www.presidio.gov/places-internal/Shared%20Documents/Goldsworthy-Brochure.pdf

jim m
walnut creek, ca

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>
> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>
> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>
> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>
> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>
> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-12 Thread franklyn
Hi, Roberta,

There are many Bay-Area'ers on this list, so you might get more advice and 
suggestions than you'd like. Since you are asking on the RBW list and going 
to visit Riv, I am assuming that you are OK with biking, which I would say 
is the best way to see the City and the surrounding areas, given the amount 
of time you have. Recently I hosted my family for a week, and I haven't 
driven in the City for a while up until then, and driving and looking for 
parking is highly non-relaxing, especially on a weekend, and especially on 
a nice-weather weekend which we have been having nonstop (and we really 
want more rain). 

I would recommend find a bike to use, and work out a itinerary from there. 
All the major attractions, nature and otherwise, can be reached by bike, 
and you can see many of them in one day (SF is only 7 x 7 miles!). Here is one 
potential route  that hit many 
spots that you can do in a morning. 

I also highly recommend a few spots in nearby Marin County: hiking/riding 
in Mt Tam (biking up old railroad grade 
 or hiking up 
), Pt Reyes 
, 
Tennessee Valley (riding/hiking coastal trail to Muir Beach 
), 
Headlands. These are a little further, and driving may allow you to see 
more of them in 1 day, but definitely bikable if you want to have the 
"local's experience". 

I would say go to Muir Wood on Monday, as traffic on weekends are really 
bad.

Have fun!

Franklyn

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>
> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>
> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>
> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>
> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>
> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

2018-02-12 Thread drew
I'm not from San Francisco, and I'm sure you'll get a ton of responses from 
locals. I'll speak to this as a tourist who visits the city once a year or 
so. I had family in Lafayette for some years and if you aren't biking, I'd 
skip the Walnut creek area. Other than visiting Rivendell, i mean

I'd throw in the Sutro baths. That's pretty close to GG park i think, and i 
was into it when i went. Alcatraz is kind of a pain to get to (and maybe im 
just a giant nerd) but really worth it. Super fascinating and bizarre. I've 
been like 6 times and it doesn't get old. 

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