Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 02:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

The last one alone is worth the price of admission.

Patrick "Brain? What brain?" Moore


https://www.popsci.com/navigating-with-gps-is-making-our-brains-lazy

Home 
Navigating with GPS is making our brains lazy


   Close Google Maps to get a mental workout

By Rob Verger  April 4, 2017

Manhattan street map

A map of Manhattan showing a metric called "closeness centrality" that 
describes how connected a street is to the whole larger network of 
streets, with red indicating more connections and blue the opposite.


Kinda Al Sayed and Joao Pinelo Silva

Navigation apps like Google’s Waze reduce the amount of mental power it 
takes to get from one place to another—and researchers can now literally 
see the difference in brain activity. A recent study is helping 
scientists get a better grasp of just how our brain function changes 
when navigating from memory versus following turn-by-turn directions.


To learn more about how our brains process networks like city streets, 
neuroscientists and cognitive scientists from University College London 
(UCL) and other institutions conducted a study in which two dozen 
participants first walked around the London neighborhood of Soho. None 
of the participants were familiar that busy neighborhood, which is a 
“really dense pack of streets with lots of cafes and bars—really 
colorful place,” says Hugo Spiers, the study’s senior author and a 
neuroscientist in the department of behavioral psychology at UCL. The 
subjects then took a test to see how well they’d learned the urban 
landscape. “It’s pointless scanning someone who is completely lost,” he 
says.


The next day, in the lab, the subjects were asked to navigate those 
streets virtually by looking at an interactive film, while an fMRI 
machine monitored their brain activity. (The machine tracked the flow of 
oxygenated blood in their brains, which many scientists consider to be 
an indicator of brain activity.)


Half the time, the participants had to figure out how to get to the 
destination themselves, by pushing buttons when they got to an 
intersection to say which way they wanted to turn. It was “very much as 
if you were in the car with your partner driving, and they just keep 
turning to you and asking which way do we go now?” Spiers says. “It 
wasn’t relaxing.”


The other half of the time, the same participants had a much easier 
task. They were simply told which way to turn at each intersection, much 
like following commands on Google Waze or a GPS unit on the dashboard.


What the investigators found was clear. When participants had to do the 
hard mental work of figuring out which way to turn, the researchers saw 
more activity in the subjects’ hippocampus—a part of the brain 
associated with memory and spatial navigation. Not only that, there was 
a direct connection between the amount of brain activity and how many 
connections (and thus route options) the street at hand had with other 
roads. In short, the more complex the street, the more activity in that 
part of the brain.


The result was like a “rollercoaster of hippocampal activity depending 
on the street network,” Spiers says.


But that wasn’t the case in the scenario that simulated using GPS. In 
fact, the relationship between brain activity and street complexity was 
totally “abolished,” Spiers says, when people were just following 
directions.


They recently published their findings 
 in the journal Nature 
Communications. Past research has pointed towards similar results: taxi 
drivers learning London’s thousands of streets actually gained grey 
matter in their hippocampi 
.


Spiers points out that in an era where getting turn-by-turn directions 
is as easy as looking at a smartphone, something may be lost—just like 
how a muscle you don’t use atrophies. People using a navigation service 
to tell them where to go aren’t stimulating their hippocampus, he says. 
“And that might well not be good for you,” he adds. “It might be better 
to actually give your brain a bit more of a workout.”


Of course, there are obvious benefits to GPS navigation, including a 
considerable reduction in stress, but Spiers hopes to find a balance 
between making navigation easy and teaching us about the environment 
through which we’re moving. He adds: “I’m hoping in the future we’ll 
start making technology that more empowers us.”



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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Lum Gim Fong]

"Your bike could be impounded" should be added to those signs.

I remember a cyclist who twice did not honor no tresspassing signs and once 
he was detained by cops and fined after quite a wait. I was thinking that I 
wonder why he wasn't ever worried about his ~10,000$US bike being impounded 
if he would have been arrested.
They probably would have thrown it on top of the heap of other bikes they 
keep in their yard. Many scratches and bent derailer and dented tubes 
later...

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

The last one alone is worth the price of admission.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 02:05 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Wooden sign on a pine tree on a dirt road turn off on one of my favorite rides: 
“Your GPS is WRONG!”



I googled "GPS is wrong" looking for image results.  Here are a few:
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Wooden sign on a pine tree on a dirt road turn off on one of my favorite rides: 
“Your GPS is WRONG!”

I chuckle every time I see this as I crank up the slope of Pikes Peak. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[William Henderson]

Yep, many folks do just that – use Ride Report for quick daily trips and
Strava for longer rides out of town.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:22 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> RideReport looks cool. Will I be able to run RideReport and Strava
> simultaneously on my iPhone?  Seems like I should since they would both
> just simple consumers of GPS data.
>
> Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Bill Lindsay]

RideReport looks cool. Will I be able to run RideReport and Strava 
simultaneously on my iPhone?  Seems like I should since they would both just 
simple consumers of GPS data. 

Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[William!]

If you are looking for something that *automatically* tracks your rides 
(great for trips around town), check out Ride Report . 
And in case you are wondering, yes you will earn a virtual trophy if you 
ride to Rivendell HQ and/or Rivelo with the app installed.

(disclosure: I work on Ride Report 邏)

Best,
William

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 6:05:30 AM UTC-8, Ryan Merrill wrote:
>
> I went through a time of using varuiys cateye wired computers, then to a 
> Garmin 500, a Garmin 1000 explore and now I use a Garmin fenix watch. The 
> garmins are nice because you don't have to clutter your bike up with a 
> bunch of sensors and they seem to really work well. I've had no issues out 
> of them; heck, my wife is using the 500 now. I think I have a few cateyes 
> in drawers throughout the house.
>
> I like the watch the best because I always have it with me and I can use 
> it when I race cyclocross without fearing losing the garmin on the course 
> (I crash a lot). I got my Garmin 1000 explore up for sale (if anybody wants 
> it just give me a holler). 
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
>> Next in the series (
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
>> ):
>>
>> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>>
>> I am looking for minimal features:
>>
>> total distance
>> trip distance
>> climbing feet
>>
>>
>> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
>> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>>
>>
>> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
>> my bike.*
>>
>> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
>> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Ryan Merrill]

I went through a time of using varuiys cateye wired computers, then to a 
Garmin 500, a Garmin 1000 explore and now I use a Garmin fenix watch. The 
garmins are nice because you don't have to clutter your bike up with a 
bunch of sensors and they seem to really work well. I've had no issues out 
of them; heck, my wife is using the 500 now. I think I have a few cateyes 
in drawers throughout the house.

I like the watch the best because I always have it with me and I can use it 
when I race cyclocross without fearing losing the garmin on the course (I 
crash a lot). I got my Garmin 1000 explore up for sale (if anybody wants it 
just give me a holler). 

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:

> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Updatum:

Been using the biologic bike brain app to track miles.

I like it alot. Easy to use customizable ride screen, ride histories. And I 
just turn it on and put it in my bag while I ride. I use it to record miles and 
then track my weekly miles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

That's one reason I bother with a "smart" phone -- it tracks mileage and
routes and even elevation, but stays demurely in a rear jersey or side
pants pocket, and it basically is one gadget in place of half a dozen --
more if you count computers for each of 4 bikes.

("Smart" phone my ass. Electronic gear is no smarter than a hammer or
window, because the essential element of "smart" -- consciousness or
subjectivity -- is just as much absent -- *essentially* absent. So much for
"AI," unless something happens as happened with "The Head" in CS Lewis's
blackly comic "That Hideous Strength.")

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:

> I personally don't use anything at the moment. I haven't even replaced the
> dead battery in my Cateye wireless or got to the point of mounting on of
> the Trek Time simple cycle computers on any of my bikes. A friend of mine
> that I have been riding with lately uses her Apple iWatch along with her
> Apple iPhone to track our rides using one of the features on it. The phone
> will give a map, but the watch will give distance, time, elevation gain and
> average speed. Gives some other readings also. It is nice that the info is
> available, but not sitting on your handlebar as a distraction. I know there
> are those on the list that are not crazy about a computer sitting on the
> handlebar taking up space or being a distraction.
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Next in the series (https://groups.google.com/for
>> um/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20rider
>> s%7Csort:relevance):
>>
>> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>>
>> I am looking for minimal features:
>>
>> total distance
>> trip distance
>> climbing feet
>>
>>
>> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
>> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>>
>>
>> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on
>> my bike.*
>>
>> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of
>> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>>
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[R. Alexis]

I personally don't use anything at the moment. I haven't even replaced the 
dead battery in my Cateye wireless or got to the point of mounting on of 
the Trek Time simple cycle computers on any of my bikes. A friend of mine 
that I have been riding with lately uses her Apple iWatch along with her 
Apple iPhone to track our rides using one of the features on it. The phone 
will give a map, but the watch will give distance, time, elevation gain and 
average speed. Gives some other readings also. It is nice that the info is 
available, but not sitting on your handlebar as a distraction. I know there 
are those on the list that are not crazy about a computer sitting on the 
handlebar taking up space or being a distraction. 

Reginald Alexis



On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Bill M.]

I use a Garmin Vivoactive HR to integrate HRM, speed/time/distance/climb 
and route tracking.  Sometimes I wear it on my wrist, sometimes strap it to 
the handlebar and use a 'bra strap' HR belt.  My wife likes that the Live 
Track feature of the Garmin software (running on my phone) can show my 
location to her during the ride.  She worries about that kind of thing, 
having had to pick me up once on a ride when I was having what turned out 
to be a heart attack.  I use the HRM to make sure I don't over-stress my 
ticker on those days when I feel strong.
  
Bill
Stockton, CA

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Davey Two Shoes]

the biggest most heaviest one they can find... just like our bikes :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

Now wind recording might be worth 83 cents a month. thanks.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 5:36 PM, SeanMac  wrote:

> I also use the paid version of Cyclometer.  In addition to the benefits
> that Ty spelled out, I believe that the paid version also tracks the
> weather conditions during each ride - temperature, wind speed and direction
> and humidity.  I actually find this information to be interesting.
> Besides, as I recall, the cost of accessing the "Elite" version is only
> about $10 per year.  I figure that this is a pretty small investment for an
> app that I utilize on a frequent basis (and one that is updated fairly
> regularly.
>
> Sean,
> Buffalo, NY
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[SeanMac]

I also use the paid version of Cyclometer.  In addition to the benefits 
that Ty spelled out, I believe that the paid version also tracks the 
weather conditions during each ride - temperature, wind speed and direction 
and humidity.  I actually find this information to be interesting.  
Besides, as I recall, the cost of accessing the "Elite" version is only 
about $10 per year.  I figure that this is a pretty small investment for an 
app that I utilize on a frequent basis (and one that is updated fairly 
regularly.

Sean,
Buffalo, NY


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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Patrick Moore]

I hate those g*&^%!@%n voice prompts! But good to know that I'm not missing
much by using the freebie.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Ty Graham  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't like the battery life impact on long rides, but other than that I
> like Cyclemeter on my iphone.
>
> I get the paid version for 2 reasons: I tend to click ads on accident when
> I'm tired. I'm a software guy - I feel like i should pay for software that
> I use.
>
> A feature of the paid version (I think) is the automatic email of a ride
> summary to multiple recipients. I really found this handy as a way to
> update my wife every day while I was on my Pacific Coast trip. She got the
> email and could stop worrying; I could hydrate, shower, eat, and then check
> in at my leisure.
>
> I haven't really found the voice prompts or other paid features to be
> useful.
>
> I did like having all the GPS tracks when I was done to make maps:
> https://flic.kr/p/oPnQoY
>
> I had to use a supplemental battery on some long days to keep my phone
> from draining completely. This was with an iPhone 5s in 2014. I'll update
> with my newer phone and app, once I get some longer rides in this year.
>
> Ty Graham
> Seattle
> 2000 Atlantis
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Ty Graham]

Hi,

I don't like the battery life impact on long rides, but other than that I 
like Cyclemeter on my iphone.

I get the paid version for 2 reasons: I tend to click ads on accident when 
I'm tired. I'm a software guy - I feel like i should pay for software that 
I use.

A feature of the paid version (I think) is the automatic email of a ride 
summary to multiple recipients. I really found this handy as a way to 
update my wife every day while I was on my Pacific Coast trip. She got the 
email and could stop worrying; I could hydrate, shower, eat, and then check 
in at my leisure.

I haven't really found the voice prompts or other paid features to be 
useful.

I did like having all the GPS tracks when I was done to make 
maps: https://flic.kr/p/oPnQoY

I had to use a supplemental battery on some long days to keep my phone from 
draining completely. This was with an iPhone 5s in 2014. I'll update with 
my newer phone and app, once I get some longer rides in this year.  

Ty Graham
Seattle
2000 Atlantis

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> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Marc40a]

I use the Garmin Edge 25 for daily commutes, and day trips. Its a bare 
bones model that looks like the body of a Casio G Shock watch. It's battery 
runs 6-7 hours ad allows me to save precious phone juice. 

For extended trips I use an Etrex 30 - definitely overkill for what you are 
looking for. 



On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:57:05 PM UTC-4, EasyRider wrote:
>
> I have used the free version of Cyclemeter and I like it, but using any 
> GPS app drains my iphone battery in a hurry. In cold weather, the phone 
> dies after a few miles.
>
> I don't care about stats while I'm riding, but it's nice to record a gpx 
> file of longer rides, as a sort of souvenir. I have an Garmin etrex 
> handheld unit that I use for hiking and backpacking and have started using 
> it on the bike that way, passively. 
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[EasyRider]

I have used the free version of Cyclemeter and I like it, but using any GPS 
app drains my iphone battery in a hurry. In cold weather, the phone dies 
after a few miles.

I don't care about stats while I'm riding, but it's nice to record a gpx 
file of longer rides, as a sort of souvenir. I have an Garmin etrex 
handheld unit that I use for hiking and backpacking and have started using 
it on the bike that way, passively. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Garth]

Despite all the maps and technology that are "supposed" to make your life 
easier , of all the times I have left my home without them, *just get up 
and go regardless of the means*,  I have never failed to return home .   
How 'bout that !!!


I re-call once I just got in my car and headed west from Minnesota. I ended 
up going all the Washington state and down to San Francisco where I slept 
in my car next to the Golden Gate bridge for a few nights in  a parking 
lot.  Lots of fond memories of which I could of which no map could ever 
find and experience. The point is I suppose that Life is in the living, the 
here and now, and really there is nothing else, since even all my 
"memories" are of right here and now.

 Life has this beautiful way of Living, regardless of any personal ideas 
about it, of which no words or compiling of them could ever encompass and 
express.  Life seems to be in the truly inseparability in being Life 
itself, where there are no alternatives, only Life. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I use my phone. I have an Iphone and with all the available apps, it is all 
I could ever need. I use the Avenza map app and it has a few different maps 
of the Central Oregon trail system, road ride maps and an overall Oregon 
recreation map. They are interactive, showing a little blue dot where I am. 
I find it indispensable. Cyclemeter, another app, is what I use for 
distance, speed, elevation climbed etc.  I also have a small simple 
wireless computer that I use for checking my speed and distance while 
riding. The phone stays in a pocket. I only check on it when I need some 
route clarification. 

Clayton B.

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Next in the series (
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> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Marc Irwin]

I keep my Droid phone in the saddlebag.  If I get too lost, I look at 
Google Maps.  Anymore than that is a distraction.

Marc

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 5:44:03 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Marc Irwin]

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 8:38:30 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> A stone sun dial.


That's the ticket!
 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Ron Mc]

Surveyor's compass on a camera mount

  

I navigate the coast flats in a kayak with chart compass, Ritchie deck 
compass, and Steiner Navigator glasses.  



the chart is in the milk crate (with "plano" style lure boxes, and the 
glasses are between the seat back and the cooler (fly gear is in the bow 
hold, and a Scotty fly rod holder behind the seat - rigging kayaks is the 
next most fun to building bikes)


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> A stone sun dial.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm pretty sure real dyed in the wool Riv Riders use one of these puppies 

 
to make their own, out of hickory. Hot tip: Start off with marshmallow 
sticks and spoons for practice, then slowly work your way up to more 
advanced tool-making.

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 5:44:03 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Sean Cleary]

I always liked traditional wired or wireless computers because they rarely 
died and provided all I really need to know; distance, time of day, average 
speed and the all important odometer.

HOWEVER, I regularly ride 4 bikes and one tandem, some with alternating 
sets of tires that all require unique calibration settings. 

After 20 years of endless calibration each time I changed tires or the 
batteries died, I had it and bought a Garmin Edge 200. It's no longer made 
but similar models are a relatively affordable way to tally mileage from 
multiple bikes without fuss. When I mountain bike, I occasionally scrap a 
day's log because the tree canopy interrupts the GPS signal but other than 
that, for 4 years, it's been an otherwise champion of reliability for the 
price paid.

I personally can't stomach anything much above a hundred dollars for 
computing a bike ride. But I understand the desire for cutting edge 
technology including Wahoo models that display texts. Once a year that 
would be helpful... : )

Sean in Eden Prairie, MN 







On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:44:03 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[islaysteve]

Before I got a smartphone, I was looking into this question myself.  As of 
New Year of this year, I have a smartphone, so problem solved.  I also use 
Map My Ride, but there are other apps of course.  If you don't have a 
smartphone, you might want to look into it and do the dollars and cents 
analysis vs. purchasing a single-purpose GPS unit.  Phones now do so much; 
IMO it's totally worth it to take the plunge.  Just having a decent camera 
in your pocket (or Saddlesack XS) is practically worth it.  YMMV, Steve


On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 5:44:03 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Orc]

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
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> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>

If trip distance, total distance,and climb are all you're interested in & 
you've got a smartphone + an external battery, strava, ridewithgps, 
mapmyride, or the like are basically what you're looking for; you can start 
the program, plug the phone into the battery, then hurl the both of them 
into your rando bag and leave them there until you're done with the ride.   
   (I use ridewithgps for this;  I occasionally have dropouts when the gps 
can't get a good satellite connection, but I also had that happen with the 
garmin I used before the usb port broke loose and converted the thing into 
a very tiny boatanchor.)

-david parsons
 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[dougP]

I've been using a Garmin Edge 25 so I can monitor my heart rate.  The Edge 
20 is similar without the HRM feature.  One downside is non-replaceable 
battery that only lasts about 8 hours.  They are easy to read in bright sun 
and don't take up a lot of room.  I like the clever quarter turn attachment 
to the mount, and that the mount uses a simple rubber band system for 
connection to handlebar.  Price is a bit stiff @ $170 for Edge 35 plus 
about $30 for HRM belt.  The Edge 20 is $130, still a bit pricey.  

dougP

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Next in the series (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/what$20do$20rivendell$20riders%7Csort:relevance
> ):
>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for GPS computers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Map and compass normally. Computer at home if I ever care to know or share 
the elevation and distance profiles.

"That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy."

Is any of that a need? Try riding without any of it. No computer, no 
tracking, of anything. See what happens. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> What do you all use for gps units on your bikes?
>
> I am looking for minimal features:
>
> total distance
> trip distance
> climbing feet
>
>
> That is all I need. Nuttin' fancy.
> I don't care about speed, in fact i don't even want or need to see it.
>
>
> *In fact, the only reason I want a GPS is to not have wireless sensors on 
> my bike.*
>
> I know that Sigma makes a minimal one. Was wondering if anyone knows of 
> other makers besides Garmin, Sigma, Cateye.
>

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